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by Michael Rome on Jan 22, 2009 6:33 PM EST in News
I've really enjoyed both episodes of UFC: Primetime so far, but something is bothering me about the show. Going in, GSP was a clear favorite among the betting public, fans, and people in the business.
So far, the show has failed to portray BJ Penn as a serious threat. On the first episode, they got him over as the "bad guy" very well, and then ended with a cliffhanger about whether or not he was training hard enough. I figured the next episode would probably redeem him while showing GSP's weaknesses. Instead, it was the opposite. The second episode built GSP up even more by making it look like he has a much better training camp, much better coaches, and a much more serious approach to training. They made it look like Penn boxes with his brother while St. Pierre trains with the elite.
In the real world, BJ Penn is a dominant champion that won a world championship in jiu-jitsu, beat Matt Hughes when it really counted, and is considered by many to have the best hands in the sport. He's a very scary fighter, something you really wouldn't know by watching this show. The UFC famously convinced half of its audience that Tito Ortiz could beat Chuck Liddell in their rematch, but if you took that same internet poll this Saturday night it would overwhelmingly favor GSP. That is a failure of promotion.
The good news is it's not too late. They've done a good job setting the stage and presenting the characters, but it's time to remind fans why BJ Penn is by far the toughest test of GSP's career.
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MMA Junkie is reporting that B.J. Penn has suspended his involvement with UFC Primetime:
B.J. Penn recently shut down a taping and interview session for the series and no longer wants involved in the project.
Penn was apparently unhappy with how he was portrayed in last week's debut of the series, which hypes a Jan. 31 UFC 94 main event fight between the Hawaiian fighter and UFC welterweight champion Georges St. Pierre.
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Last week's "Primetime" debut scored a scored a 0.73 household rating and had an average audience of 880,000 viewers during its initial run at 10 p.m. EST/PST. An immediate replay that aired at 10:30 p.m. EST/PST scored a 0.53 rating with 614,000 viewers.
I have to say, even by B.J.'s standards, this is a pretty unprofessional move if it turns out to be true.
[UPDATE] by Michael Rome:
Be cautious before you get you get taken for a ride by B.J. Penn.
Before condemning him, everyone should take a step back and think about a few things. First, BJ Penn is a notorious worker. The stuff about how he's going to kill people, the admission that all the steroid talk was for show...the man is all about self-promotion, and it wouldn't surprise me in the least if this is all another ploy.
Second, if it is legitimate, it is going to make for great TV drama. They have enough footage from weeks of filming, and unless Penn lets them back in he risks serious damage to his reputation.
[UPDATE] by Nick Thomas:
BJ Penn on TapouT Radio (Monday) saying he was going to do it. (audio)
It looks like BJ is going to let them back in, it was just a temporary banishment for the cameras.
My parents lived in a bus before they lived in the house they lived in right now. [They were] hard workers, they saved their money...everything our family has today is because we work as hard as we possibly can.
All you can do is kick the cameras out. They got kicked out for a while, but they're trying to make amends.
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bj penn is the most over rated pos in the ufc. GSP will clean the floor with blow job penncil dick the cyrin Hawaiian the poor little rich kid got his feelings hurt and now hes going to get his face hurt.
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If BJ needed a little hot water, that's his business. It's not true that to win a fight you need to train all the time, relaxation is good and as usual, I disliked White's arrigant attitude...
This said, GSP (living on the same island as me) seems to be well surrounded... But then again, that doesn't mean that BJ's methods are stupid...
But it's more in retrospect that I'm looking forward to all this, if GSP wins, we'll probably know why, but if BJ wins, then we'll have to reevaluate some notions about training...
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anyone who thinks penn aint one of the best pound for pound fighters in the world is delusional,penn destroyed hughes when everyone thought hughes was unbeatable,penn will destroy gsp in the rematch.bj penn trains just as hard if not harder then anyone,just cause the kids got it going on with a beatiful island to live on and hot broads at his disposal doesnt mean he aint training hard,i know a guy who trained at bj,s school for 2 weeks and said they do crazy, brutal and effective training sessions.
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Do you people realize how good BJ's brothers are. If they stayed in the sport they would have done some damage too. Again, its the people on here who have never seen BJ train in the gym that talk shit. You couldn't last one workout with BJ I promise you that. I always love when armchair fighters try (and fail) to put someone down like BJ.
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anyone who thinks penn aint one of the best pound for pound fighters in the world is delusional,penn destroyed hughes when everyone thought hughes was unbeatable,penn will destroy gsp in the rematch.bj penn trains just as hard if not harder then anyone,just cause the kids got it going on with a beatiful island to live on and hot broads at his disposal doesnt mean he aint training hard,i know a guy who trained at bj,s school for 2 weeks and said they do crazy, brutal and effective training sessions.
yes pound for pound 170lbs fat ass against another 170 fat ass bj wins hands down GSP for president
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what i always respected about bj is that hell fight anyone,anyweight,anytime.danas often said bj,s would fight hw if it was possible,lol.so many guys out there are always trying to pick and choose thier opponants.bj doesnt fear anyone and will prove hes the best when he kicks gsp,s butt and settles this once and for all
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bj penn is the most over rated pos in the ufc. GSP will clean the floor with blow job penncil dick the cyrin Hawaiian the poor little rich kid got his feelings hurt and now hes going to get his face hurt.
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Do you and GSP usually cuddle after sex?
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Im not sure who wins the fight, but on the show BJ comes off as an arrogant douchebag while GSP comes off like a champion. Also, I agree BJ is an amazing grappler- probably the best pound for pound grapler in MMA, but the best striker? Not even remotely close. I have seen 5 or 6 of his fights and I would say his striking is above average thats it.
IMO GSP is tougher, has better wrestling skills, is faster, stronger, more athletic and based on what I've seen on the show, taking the fight a lot more seriously. That being said, it might all be a ploy for the cameras and who knows whats really happening in training.
I think the fight will definetly be a good one and it can go either way, but after watching the show I actually want GSP to win.
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anyone who thinks penn aint one of the best pound for pound fighters in the world is delusional,penn destroyed hughes when everyone thought hughes was unbeatable,penn will destroy gsp in the rematch.bj penn trains just as hard if not harder then anyone,just cause the kids got it going on with a beatiful island to live on and hot broads at his disposal doesnt mean he aint training hard,i know a guy who trained at bj,s school for 2 weeks and said they do crazy, brutal and effective training sessions.
Bro I have always respected your posts even though I have a hard time reading them.
That being said, you are delusional. BJ Penn is one of the laziest fighters out there. I have rolled with him twice and hung out at his gym on a few occasions when passing thru and I have always wondered why someone with such god given talent and flexibility is so fucking lazy. He is. If you honestly think he trains harder than most you need to go train at America's Top Team, take a stroll to Vegas and watch the guys at Randy's or Train with Tito up in Big Bear. Fuck man drive to Gresham OR for that matter.
BJ's cardio has always been an issue. He knows it. Everyone knows it.
Penn's only chance is in the first round. GSP has the conditioning to go 10 rounds. Penn is lucky to make 3. Look at the top fighters Firas Zahabi has brought into his camp. Each one of those fighters is top notch.
BJ is one of my favorite fighters. He is pissed that the show has portrayed the real BJ Penn. Nothing more. Like I said before. Penn should have stayed at lightweight and figured out how he is going to beat KenFlo........
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I'm already tired of talking about this fight. Icant wait for it to be over already. But there will be no other good cards for a few months. I'm ready for BJ to get whipped so all this can just go away. Keith is obviously a BJ fan, most other people are GSP fans. Few can talk about it objectively. Anything can happen, obviously. If you think BJ is training as hard as he can you are high. He does not have that reputation at all and, let's be frank, reputatons are there for a reason. No one just made up the fact that BJ is a lazy ass, it's because he is.
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Im not sure who wins the fight, but on the show BJ comes off as an arrogant douchebag while GSP comes off like a champion. Also, I agree BJ is an amazing grappler- probably the best pound for pound grapler in MMA, but the best striker? Not even remotely close. I have seen 5 or 6 of his fights and I would say his striking is above average thats it.
IMO GSP is tougher, has better wrestling skills, is faster, stronger, more athletic and based on what I've seen on the show, taking the fight a lot more seriously. That being said, it might all be a ploy for the cameras and who knows whats really happening in training.
I think the fight will definetly be a good one and it can go either way, but after watching the show I actually want GSP to win.
Not according to Freddie Roach, famed boxing trainer. He said BJ is the best striker in MMA, and he is Andrei Arlovski's striking coach. BJ doesn't look the part, isn't the best package, but he is a helluva fighter. Fought Machida when Machida weighed 220, and lost a split decision. Machida is a better striker than GSP, and has more power. Methinks people will be surprised at the outcome of this fight. GSP is in a no win situation, if he wins, he was supposed to win, if he loses, he gives crediblity to those who claim he lost the first fight. In any case, I can't wait.
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Not according to Freddie Roach, famed boxing trainer. He said BJ is the best striker in MMA, and he is Andrei Arlovski's striking coach. BJ doesn't look the part, isn't the best package, but he is a helluva fighter. Fought Machida when Machida weighed 220, and lost a split decision. Machida is a better striker than GSP, and has more power. Methinks people will be surprised at the outcome of this fight. GSP is in a no win situation, if he wins, he was supposed to win, if he loses, he gives crediblity to those who claim he lost the first fight. In any case, I can't wait.
If I was Andre I would fire Roach. From the "Fedor has no technique" to the "BJ Penn is the best striker in MMA" comments.
BJ Penn is a better striker than Anderson Silva?
Roach is gonna get Andre hurt. Bad.
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Okay so I got to speak up.. BJ is my favorite fighter of all time. Yeah okay I said it for those who will flame, but let me speak. BJ when he is on, (which is on few occasions.. I can admit he is lazy sometimes) but when he is on is one of the best. Look at some of his early fights, those are the days I love seeing BJ strike. They don't call him the Prodigy because he sucks!
Bj has God given talent that I am sure that 98% of us would kill for. BJ just gets bored I think, who knows why he doesn't come in off 90 days of solid ass training, but I will say when he does work, he does work hard from what I have seen and heard.
I think BJ might be able to pull off the win, it will depend on how he comes in. I think GSP is good, but who has he really fought? Tell me who he has fought that BJ hasnt that's my question...
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all valid points however.
we are talking about GSP today and BJ PENN today and GSP is a better MMA fighter barnone. GSP is faster stronger more agile/explosive and his hand/foot speed is amazing. I cant say who wil win for sure after all its a fight. really hard to say 100% either way always a boxers change.
However my money is on GSP
ps yes we cuddle after sex
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all valid points however.
we are talking about GSP today and BJ PENN today and GSP is a better MMA fighter barnone. GSP is faster stronger more agile/explosive and his hand/foot speed is amazing. I cant say who wil win for sure after all its a fight. really hard to say 100% either way always a boxers change.
However my money is on GSP
ps yes we cuddle after sex
How much of your "money" is on GSP? :-\
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all valid points however.
we are talking about GSP today and BJ PENN today and GSP is a better MMA fighter barnone. GSP is faster stronger more agile/explosive and his hand/foot speed is amazing. I cant say who wil win for sure after all its a fight. really hard to say 100% either way always a boxers change.
However my money is on GSP
ps yes we cuddle after sex
BJ however does have more experience in more adverse situations. I would say GSP wont throw BJ anything that he hasnt seen before.. However old Mr. Penn could have a thing or to up his sleeve for GSP? I think either way it will be a barn burner
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BJ will get destroyed by GSP. Last time Hughes' Ground and Pound was too much for BJ to handle, GSP is going to turn his face into hamburger.
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BJ will get destroyed by GSP. Last time Hughes' Ground and Pound was too much for BJ to handle, GSP is going to turn his face into hamburger.
yeah just like the last time they fought,bj,s face was a mess and gsp,s was fine,lol.if i remember correctly is was gsp,s face that looked like hamburger after the first rd
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yeah just like the last time they fought,bj,s face was a mess and gsp,s was fine,lol.if i remember correctly is was gsp,s face that looked like hamburger after the first rd
bj will lose hands down your pants
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Since BJ LOST to GSP back in 2006, he has fought four times. The fight after GSP he lost to Matt Hughes, then went on to beat Jens Pulver (...) then Joe Stevenson then Sean Sherk. Who has he really fought in the last three years? Sherk was back from a year off and was scared to death. BJ did not face the Sherk that Tyson Grifffin fought, no doubt. Who figured to put Sherk in a title match after a year layoff is functionally retarded, no way he was mentally ready. So who has he fought? What has he done?
GSP has fought six times, beating Matt Hughes twice, Koscheck and Fitch, and then humiliating Serra in rematch after Serra caught him, which can happen to anybody. Koscheck is not punk and neither is Fitch.
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yeah just like the last time they fought,bj,s face was a mess and gsp,s was fine,lol.if i remember correctly is was gsp,s face that looked like hamburger after the first rd
the winner is not declared by whos face looks the best after the fight, is it?
It will be a good fight, but george is much bigger and a much better wrestler. I think GSP will take this. I wont be "shocked" if BJ wins though.
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the winner is not declared by whos face looks the best after the fight, is it?
excellent point!
especially when there's blood! it always creates a weird vibe...
example: in high school, a guy hit me in the face when I was about to shake his hand... of course next day in school I had a black eye while he had the opened lip... it seemed like 1-1... but what they didn't know was that he gave the first punch, right in my eye and then I pushed him against the wall so hard he couldn't stand, took him by the neck, lifted him and smashed his mouth on the a mirror who broke and left him there... it looked like we each gave the other guy one punch, but it was a 10-7 round for me!
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BJ is very intimidating...
(http://www.toynutz.com/Cabbage_Patch_Preemie_Doll.jpg)
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BJ is very intimidating...
(http://www.toynutz.com/Cabbage_Patch_Preemie_Doll.jpg)
ahhahahaha.... very nice!!!! hahahahaha
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So what is the exact story on BJ Penn and the Penn tennis ball brand? I keep hearing that BJ is well off because his family owns the company, but the house they showed in the show looked like a dump. What's the story ???
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BJ is very intimidating...
(http://www.toynutz.com/Cabbage_Patch_Preemie_Doll.jpg)
HAHA
Baby Jay
Nice, MS.
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Why would a guy(BJ) who looks more relaxed in the ring then just about anyone on the planet ever GAS during a fight if he wasn't Lazy?
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So what is the exact story on BJ Penn and the Penn tennis ball brand? I keep hearing that BJ is well off because his family owns the company, but the house they showed in the show looked like a dump. What's the story ???
I thought you were in the know. I didn't see the piece so I don't what house they showed but it couldn't have been the parents. There house was built in 1898 I think (I can't remember) it is filled with antiques and is beautiful up on a hill. They own literally all the houses within eyesight. They are very very well off even in Hawaii. So you shouldn't worry about there financial status. And they have nothing to do with Penn tennis balls. Holy shit where do you come up with this crap.
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I thought you were in the know. I didn't see the piece so I don't what house they showed but it couldn't have been the parents. There house was built in 1898 I think (I can't remember) it is filled with antiques and is beautiful up on a hill. They own literally all the houses within eyesight. They are very very well off even in Hawaii. So you shouldn't worry about there financial status. And they have nothing to do with Penn tennis balls. Holy shit where do you come up with this crap.
lol. Are you one your period again? They showed BJ's house. It looked like a dump. They also showed his parents house. It was okay, but nothing spectacular.
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i predict GSP knocks BJ out.
The ONLY thing that bothers me is that GSP got knocked out by Serra. Is his chin suspect?
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i predict GSP knocks BJ out.
The ONLY thing that bothers me is that GSP got knocked out by Serra. Is his chin suspect?
Serra clipped him on the temple not the chin. But, it's a good point. GSP got rocked, folded and tapped. BJs boxing is very good. This is going to be a tough and hard to predict fight. Basically, whoever makes the 1st mistake will lose.
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GSP, second round. Checkmate.
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I thought you were in the know. I didn't see the piece so I don't what house they showed but it couldn't have been the parents. There house was built in 1898 I think (I can't remember) it is filled with antiques and is beautiful up on a hill. They own literally all the houses within eyesight. They are very very well off even in Hawaii. So you shouldn't worry about there financial status. And they have nothing to do with Penn tennis balls. Holy shit where do you come up with this crap.
Why would you get upset about someone asking if Penn had anything to do with Penn tennis balls? Seems like a logical question...So where does the Penn future come from Onlyme?
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Serra clipped him on the temple not the chin. But, it's a good point. GSP got rocked, folded and tapped. BJs boxing is very good. This is going to be a tough and hard to predict fight. Basically, whoever makes the 1st mistake will lose.
C'on Mindspin...GSP took Serra lightly...No doubt about it...But most people love GSP and most others want to see BJ get knocked the fuck out...GSP will not and will never take BJ lightly...
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lol. Are you one your period again? They showed BJ's house. It looked like a dump. They also showed his parents house. It was okay, but nothing spectacular.
Still haven't seen the video or show. One thing the Penn family is and that is grounded. They do not flaunt what they have. What counts is what THEY HAVE. Everyone who lives in Hawaii and especially the Big Island know the Penn family and what they have. And it is what they have that alot of people don't know is what is surprising. If you knew Hilo you would know it is a very very laid back area and to tell you the truth are are not really any real fancy homes. I mean like Belair or Beverly Hills type. The Cox Estate where Speilberg stayed when they were shooting the latest Indiana Jones movie is not anything super spectacular (except for size of the property) and she is worth in excess of a couple billion dollars. So, if I was you I wouldn't worry to much about what the Penn's have or don't cause I guarantee you 10000000000000% it is at least 100 times worth more than what you have. Hope this helps.
Why would you get upset about someone asking if Penn had anything to do with Penn tennis balls? Seems like a logical question...So where does the Penn future come from Onlyme?
Why would you think I am upset. I simply stated they have nothing to do with that company. Why would I get upset over a something that stupid when you can simply go online and find out about the Penn tennis ball company. Don't get my knowledge mixed up with others ignorance. ;D
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Dang, between this post and the one in my thread, we really pushed Keith's buttons. You should go see what he said to me, basically called me worthless, ha.
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I heard they built their fortune by smuggling drugs and then lost most of it gambling.
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I heard they built their fortune by smuggling drugs and then lost most of it gambling.
Good grief, don't let Keith hear you say that, he'll have a stroke.
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Good grief, don't let Keith hear you say that, he'll have a stroke.
Just wait till the Gay4Pay pics of BJ come out....