2013 NPC Junior Nationals - Results

[OTHstrong]

ah ok, my mistake.... i thought all the class winners won pro cards at this show, the other shows u mentioned that happens tho, ifbb shows elsewhere only the overall winner gets a pro card, theres been some realy good guys turn up year after year and come away with a class win but no big prize and i guarantee im taking about pro material,,, take a look of this guy for example, light heavy champ for past 2 or 3 yrs

wtf, that guy is not a pro yet  wow he looks amazing (no homo) He would do good in the 212 class

[OTHstrong]

Your good friend Vadim is an idiot. Who doesn't know what he is talking about. Because Samir Bannout already won the Olympia.
And genetics can mean more than the amount of money one puts in, just look at Down Hill.
Vadim is on some good Valium.

I understand what you are saying but this guy Ramy is insane genetics.

He has a small waist, is wider then Cutler and Coleman and does not have a weak body part, talk about genetics. Also he is pound per height the biggest pro on the scene right now.

He is not close to Heath in terms of conditioning and that is why Heath will look better and expose Ramy a bit, No one is as shredded as Heath, he has condition down pat from head to toe.

Now if Ramy comes to nail his conditioning, he is the real deal

[musclecenter]

[luvvsuNOT]

Ramy will win the Olympia, I would put 5000 dollars on it with anyone willing to bet, not this year but he will take it eventually, he is that good.

So the bet is that you win if Ramy "eventually" wins the O. So every time he loses we just have to wait until the next year. How do I win if I take the bet? Do I have to wait until Ramy retires without winning the O?

[BDsauce]

Obvious synthol on bis and chest...

[OTHstrong]

So the bet is that you win if Ramy "eventually" wins the O. So every time he loses we just have to wait until the next year. How do I win if I take the bet? Do I have to wait until Ramy retires without winning the O?

Wow, you just made me feel real dumb      lmao, ya pretty stupid of me, lol, how about a 200 dollar bet he makes top 5 this year at the O, I can send the money to a mod and you too and whoever wins the bet takes the coin 

[musclecenter]

Allen Richards, Men's bodybuilding overall-winner

[Teutonic Knight]

What are you on about bro?     What pro, who???  the guy does not get a pro card at this show. The Usa'a and the Nationals, that's it, oh and the North America's that are shared with Canadians, not the JR nationals.

And besides the US is the third most populated country in the world and it has 5 times the number of bodybuilders as the the countries that are more populated. Come on, saying they give away too many pro cards is ludicris, they give out so many cause the pro qualifier's shows have literally one thousand competitors, of course they have to give out lots of pro cards compared to the England nationals that probably brings in 150 competitors.

It's all relative

Come on guy's, don't fight for nothing !.

Fact is for the last 10 years (or so)on the IFBB Worlds (juniors/seniors/masters) championsip there is total domination of European & Arabic
competitors.Almost identical story at WABBA,NABBA,NAC,WBBF or WFF International championship , simply no American competitors.
So number of population is miningless !.
American bodybuilders dominated for long time, but not any more.
No , reason is not "better" juice, reason is hard work/training & determination (those who have balls & those who don't, very simple).
Nobody is preventing/stopping U.S. bodybuilders from entering mentioned International organizations contests.
In the good old day's American bodybuilders dream was competing at NABBA Mr.Universe, but today

[rocket]

Obvious synthol on bis and chest...

I don't know how so many posts got through without pointing this out

[OTHstrong]

Come on guy's, don't fight for nothing !.

Fact is for the last 10 years (or so)on the IFBB Worlds (juniors/seniors/masters) championsip there is total domination of European & Arabic
competitors.Almost identical story at WABBA,NABBA,NAC,WBBF or WFF International championship , simply no American competitors.
So number of population is miningless !.
American bodybuilders dominated for long time, but not any more.
No , reason is not "better" juice, reason is hard work/training & determination (those who have balls & those who don't, very simple).
Nobody is preventing/stopping U.S. bodybuilders from entering mentioned International organizations contests.
In the good old day's American bodybuilders dream was competing at NABBA Mr.Universe, but today

That is not the point though.

The point is the IFBB has a certain way of judging the pros and based on their judgment the US dominates the IFBB pro shows, hence they need to deliver more pro card to the US since they are winning most of the pro shows.

What a different federation does or who they pick to win or how they judge is irrelevant to our discussion cause or discussion is why the US get most of the IFBB pro cards and the answer is simple because they dominate the IFBB pro shows.

[Parker]

I understand what you are saying but this guy Ramy is insane genetics.

He has a small waist, is wider then Cutler and Coleman and does not have a weak body part, talk about genetics. Also he is pound per height the biggest pro on the scene right now.

He is not close to Heath in terms of conditioning and that is why Heath will look better and expose Ramy a bit, No one is as shredded as Heath, he has condition down pat from head to toe.

Now if Ramy comes to nail his conditioning, he is the real deal

I didn't see a "small waist" relative to his size--didn't have a good V-taper. He looks like a guy with average genetics, loaded up with syntholled shoulders (He must have read "The Dark Art of Syn" by Flex Wheeler)...and his back is a weak bodypart, and he lack quad separation.

Either you are trolling or you don't recognize history---Dillett, Fux, Ruhl, Federov, Wolf all were these big unstoppable juggernauts that were supposed to win and were better than everybody, turns out, that they were not. And Ramy is another hyped big guy. Once you break him down, he is not very impressive. Size wise yes, he is big, but break him down...

[OTHstrong]

I didn't see a "small waist" relative to his size--didn't have a good V-taper. He looks like a guy with average genetics, loaded up with syntholled shoulders (He must have read "The Dark Art of Syn" by Flex Wheeler)...and his back is a weak bodypart, and he lack quad separation.

Either you are trolling or you don't recognize history---Dillett, Fux, Ruhl, Federov, Wolf all were these big unstoppable juggernauts that were supposed to win and were better than everybody, turns out, that they were not. And Ramy is another hyped big guy. Once you break him down, he is not very impressive. Size wise yes, he is big, but break him down...

The only one that appears to be trolling is you cause no one is seeing anything you are saying, every pro on record that has talked about Ramy, say first and foremost that he has a tiny waist, including Jay Cutler who is says he is the real deal and could win the O

Not one of the guys you mentioned won his pro debut, not even one so your trolling again, not one of the guys you mention qualified for the Olympia twice already in only one pro show and not only that but with straight first to boot.

Your thoughts on the guy are completely in the minority here and you say I am trolling, wow, when it is all said and done, I will be more then happy to tell you ``i told you so``

He is granite hard but not super shredded and has a better back then Jay ever did and Jay had no problem winning the O and he is 10 times more impressive then anyone you mention, it is not hype when you win your pro debut sorry.

 Heath was hype when he won his pro debut and look what happen, sorry but name one guy that was hyped before winning their pro debut and after that never did anything, you can`t can you?

all your points are thwarted 

[Borracho]

he looks something likemy size, something you see from the best built guys on holyday beaches.

if thats a pro, then lol

amazing pussy pulingphysique,though.

better than pros

I've seen much better pics of this kid.

This category is likely gonna come down to good facial looks and this proves it. I'm actually for this because us good looking people should be rewarded. 

[dj181]

I've seen much better pics of this kid.

This category is likely gonna come down to good facial looks and this proves it. I'm actually for this because us good looking people should be rewarded. 

what's your bench?

[Borracho]

what's your bench?

cswol

[RRKore]

I didn't see a "small waist" relative to his size--didn't have a good V-taper. He looks like a guy with average genetics, loaded up with syntholled shoulders (He must have read "The Dark Art of Syn" by Flex Wheeler)...and his back is a weak bodypart, and he lack quad separation.

Either you are trolling or you don't recognize history---Dillett, Fux, Ruhl, Federov, Wolf all were these big unstoppable juggernauts that were supposed to win and were better than everybody, turns out, that they were not. And Ramy is another hyped big guy. Once you break him down, he is not very impressive. Size wise yes, he is big, but break him down...

Breaking Rami down seems like exactly what you aren't doing.  You didn't "see" a small waist?  Holy weasle-word, I think you're looking for reasons not to like him.  (Makes me curious to know what you think of middle-easterners in general.)  You aren't recognizing that this guy is remarkably balanced and just as symmetrical as any other top Oly competitors.  And he's bigger than everyone else while being very hard.

What strikes me about all the guys you've listed (except Fux, whose career was cut short by a dramatic injury), is that while all were big, none of them has the balance and symmetry of Rami.  Even your criticisms, overstated as they are, are minor.  His back compares favorably to most of the Olympia's top guys and if it looks weak to you, it's only because it's not as freakishly developed as most of his other bodyparts. It's not weak, though:  Weak was/is Wolf's calves, Ruhl's triceps, Heath's width, or Jay's waist.  And lacks quad separation?  -- When you have unprecedented quad sweep like Rami, a little more separation is just icing on the cake, imo.  (Besides, as you may have noticed, extreme separation seems to be a quality that isn't as necessary today as it once was.)  

Who cares where he comes from?  This is bodybuilding and bottom line, this guy is already an elite pro who should be in the top 5 at his first Olympia.  He could bring up his calves and could maybe lose a couple of pounds to be even sharper but when he does that, I see him winning the Olympia.

[LATS]

Look.. I like the physiques of the Middle East also but let's stop acting like only we Americans use synthol.. It's being used widely in the Middle East.. Look at ramy.. You think those delt caps are natural.. He'll no.. Look at the top shows in kuwait and else where and you will see the Arabs love their synthol.. They may not be " bloated" .. But they invest heavily in synthol..

[OTHstrong]

Breaking Rami down seems like exactly what you aren't doing.  You didn't "see" a small waist?  Holy weasle-word, I think you're looking for reasons not to like him.  (Makes me curious to know what you think of middle-easterners in general.)  You aren't recognizing that this guy is remarkably balanced and just as symmetrical as any other top Oly competitors.  And he's bigger than everyone else while being very hard.

What strikes me about all the guys you've listed (except Fux, whose career was cut short by a dramatic injury), is that while all were big, none of them has the balance and symmetry of Rami.  Even your criticisms, overstated as they are, are minor.  His back compares favorably to most of the Olympia's top guys and if it looks weak to you, it's only because it's not as freakishly developed as most of his other bodyparts. It's not weak, though:  Weak was/is Wolf's calves, Ruhl's triceps, Heath's width, or Jay's waist.  And lacks quad separation?  -- When you have unprecedented quad sweep like Rami, a little more separation is just icing on the cake, imo.  (Besides, as you may have noticed, extreme separation seems to be a quality that isn't as necessary today as it once was.)  

Who cares where he comes from?  This is bodybuilding and bottom line, this guy is already an elite pro who should be in the top 5 at his first Olympia.  He could bring up his calves and could maybe lose a couple of pounds to be even sharper but when he does that, I see him winning the Olympia.

Excellent post, you know exactly what you are talking about.

Now to add to your post, yes the man is symmetrical and yes his waist is tiny, Parker was out to get him from the get go.

Now as far as quad separation goes, sweeps counts ten time more then separation, in fact there is a knew trend with the ifbb judges rewarding quad sweep over every other bodypart and Ramy has the best sweep in the history of bodybuilding.

yes that`s right Parker, I have never in my life seen a better quad sweep ever.

[arce1988]

 synthol in chest?

[Disgusted]

There is no synthol in his chest or bi's. He needs some in his tri's and lats though if anywhere.

[OTHstrong]

synthol in chest?

The glare of the stage lights make it look like something but there is nothing in there.
 To put synthol in the chest is pec tear waiting to happen, very foolish of anyone to do it in the chest.

[Teutonic Knight]

That is not the point though.

The point is the IFBB has a certain way of judging the pros and based on their judgment the US dominates the IFBB pro shows, hence they need to deliver more pro card to the US since they are winning most of the pro shows.

What a different federation does or who they pick to win or how they judge is irrelevant to our discussion cause or discussion is why the US get most of the IFBB pro cards and the answer is simple because they dominate the IFBB pro shows.

1X, but Pro Mr.Olympia is NOT promoted as IFBB event , it's open to Ifbb Pro League competitors only.
I knew someone in AMI, & ha say that bloated belly would not win 2013 Olympia !?.
How is possible that junior US tittle is pumped up as more important than the World championship 

[timfogarty]

The point is the IFBB has a certain way of judging the pros and based on their judgment the US dominates the IFBB pro shows, hence they need to deliver more pro card to the US since they are winning most of the pro shows.

What a different federation does or who they pick to win or how they judge is irrelevant to our discussion cause or discussion is why the US get most of the IFBB pro cards and the answer is simple because they dominate the IFBB pro shows.

the reason why most of the pro cards go to people in the US is that most of the pro shows are in the US.  The IFBB thinks American fans would be more interested in American competitors.  this was even more true just a few years ago when the only non-North American show was the Australian Pro.

and it doesn't hurt that the owner of the pro IFBB and the owner of the NPC is the same guy.

[stuntmovie]

TIM! OWNER?

[timfogarty]

TIM! OWNER?

yes.  very much so.  The NPC is designated a non-profit but it's still owned by Manion.  The pro IFBB is also a privately owned company, owned in part, if not entirely, by Manion.