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Ben Carson, ready for his close up
« on: March 26, 2015, 10:34:21 AM »
Interesting guy.


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By his own admission, Carson's serious interest in Republican politics is rather recent. As a young man, he was a "radical, wild-eyed, left-wing Democrat" who crossed over to the right during the Reagan years. After the impeachment of Bill Clinton, he was so sickened by the hypocrisy of adulterous congressional Republicans that he became an independent. He only rejoined the GOP last year as a matter of convenience. "If I weren't thinking about running for office, I would remain an independent," he told me.

And yet today's GOP has proven to be a comfortable fit. Carson, to be sure, is a longstanding conservative in both temperament and ideology. His message of self-empowerment is part of a black-conservative tradition that dates back to at least the nineteenth century and Booker T. Washington. But Carson—who was understandably busy with his medical career, not to mention his philanthropic efforts aimed at African-American youth—didn't begin paying serious attention to broader issues until more recently. Which, of course, is right around the time that large portions of conservatism went insane. As a result, Carson's ideology of late appear to have been formed in the fever swamps of right-wing websites and Fox News—where Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are portrayed as Manchurian candidates sent by Saul Alinsky to undermine the United States. He's taken the same sincere up-by-the-bootstraps message that he once preached to black children and grafted it onto a worldview promulgated largely on conservative talk radio, validating many of the most provocative sentiments popular on the far right by repeating them in his mellifluous tone. He's that rarest of breeds: a soft-spoken demagogue.

Carson is so certain of the rightness of his views that he's practically incapable of admitting error. The controversies he's ignited with his overheated rhetoric are, in his telling, the result of "political correctness run amuck." He complains, "We've reached a point where if you say the word 'slavery' or you say the word 'bestiality,' it's like you've sprayed a fly with Raid—people start spinning, and they just can't function anymore."

On several occasions, I tried to get Carson to concede that his analogy likening the U.S. to Nazi Germany was out of line (he's said that Americans under Obama are as intimidated and afraid to criticize their government as Germans under the Third Reich). But he refused to give any ground. Our longest discussion about the matter came in Jerusalem, in the cafeteria of the Holocaust museum at Yad Vashem. We'd spent the previous ninety minutes touring the museum, followed by Carson entering Yad Vashem's Hall of Remembrance and, black kippah atop his head, laying a wreath made of red, pink, and orange poppies that read "Courage and Truth Will Win: In loving memory the 6 million." Given all this, I asked Carson, did it make him reconsider his analogy?

"Not at all," he said. "It makes it even stronger."

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Re: Ben Carson, ready for his close up
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2015, 10:37:41 AM »
I made it through the first part.  It is false.  Dr. Carson's interest in public policy did not start recently. 

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« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2015, 10:42:50 AM »
I made it through the first part.  It is false.  Dr. Carson's interest in public policy did not start recently. 

Not surprised that you would only be able to manage a sentence or two before spewing off about how you don't understand what was written.

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Re: Ben Carson, ready for his close up
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2015, 10:44:38 AM »
Not surprised that you would only be able to manage a sentence or two before spewing off about how you don't understand what was written.

Not surprised you swallowed some commentary written by a hack, particularly for hacks, that is based on a false premise.  But facts don't matter to hacks.

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Re: Ben Carson, ready for his close up
« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2015, 10:56:33 AM »
Not surprised you swallowed some commentary written by a hack, particularly for hacks, that is based on a false premise.  But facts don't matter to hacks.

You're the king of hacks.  ::)  You started off by saying you formed your opinion based on one sentence and that sentence was not even representative of the very brief excerpt I posted.

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Re: Ben Carson, ready for his close up
« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2015, 10:59:00 AM »
You're the king of hacks.  ::)  You started off by saying you formed your opinion based on one sentence and that sentence was not even representative of the very brief excerpt I posted.

 ::)

From your article:  "But Carson—who was understandably busy with his medical career, not to mention his philanthropic efforts aimed at African-American youth—didn't begin paying serious attention to broader issues until more recently."

False.  But as I said, the facts don't matter to hacks, which explains why you just eat this stuff up.  That's why those folks have an audience. 

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« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2015, 11:15:06 AM »
::)

From your article:  "But Carson—who was understandably busy with his medical career, not to mention his philanthropic efforts aimed at African-American youth—didn't begin paying serious attention to broader issues until more recently."



 ::)  He was not a political person outside of a few areas up until recently.

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« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2015, 11:16:59 AM »
Not political but followed policy and politics....
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« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2015, 11:20:01 AM »
::)  He was not a political person outside of a few areas up until recently.

And another thing about hacks:  they don't hesitate to twist, contort, embellish, and flat out invent facts. 

The article didn't say he was "not a political person outside of a few areas."   ::)  It says he "didn't begin paying serious attention to broader issues until more recently."  Absolutely false. 

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« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2015, 11:22:24 AM »
Not political but followed policy and politics....

He did not.

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« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2015, 11:24:28 AM »
And another thing about hacks:  they don't hesitate to twist, contort, embellish, and flat out invent facts. 

The article didn't say he was "not a political person outside of a few areas."   ::)  It says he "didn't begin paying serious attention to broader issues until more recently."  Absolutely false. 



Those are exactly the same things.

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« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2015, 11:28:33 AM »
He did not.

So I just pulled a book off my shelf called the "Big Picture" by Dr. Ben Carson.  Part Three of the book has the following chapters:

11.  What Ails America?  Racial Diversity is a Strength

12.  Finding a Cure for Racial Division

13.  Education:  The Great Equalizer

14.  Diagnosing the Crisis in Health Care

15.  Revolutionizing Health Care:  One Doctor's Prescription

Published sixteen years ago in 1999.  I read it.  It talks extensively about public policy.    

So are you going to confirm my earlier criticism of you regarding never acknowledging when you are wrong, or double down on stupid?  

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« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2015, 11:31:59 AM »

Those are exactly the same things.

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« Reply #13 on: March 26, 2015, 11:32:45 AM »
So I just pulled a book off my shelf called the "Big Picture" by Dr. Ben Carson.  Part Three of the book has the following chapters:

11.  What Ails America?  Racial Diversity is a Strength

12.  Finding a Cure for Racial Division

13.  Education:  The Great Equalizer

14.  Diagnosing the Crisis in Health Care

15.  Revolutionizing Health Care:  One Doctor's Prescription

Published sixteen years ago in 1999.  I read it.  It talks extensively about public policy.    

So are you going to confirm my earlier criticism of you regarding never acknowledging when you are wrong, or double down on stupid?  

Right... because just from looking at these titles, it's obvious that they're not about race and medicine. They're about ...; international security?  ::)

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« Reply #14 on: March 26, 2015, 11:33:30 AM »
Right... because just from looking at these titles, it's obvious that they're not about race and medicine. They're about ...; international security?  ::)

LOL!  You are actually worse than I thought. . . .  Holy smokes . . . .

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« Reply #15 on: March 26, 2015, 11:41:00 AM »
LOL!  You are actually worse than I thought. . . .  Holy smokes . . . .


 ::) Exactly what was posted in the article.

On top of this, they weren't even traditionally conservative opinions. I just looked up his wikipedia page and he was spoke in support of universal health care and assisted dying.

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« Reply #16 on: March 26, 2015, 11:57:12 AM »

 ::) Exactly what was posted in the article.

On top of this, they weren't even traditionally conservative opinions. I just looked up his wikipedia page and he was spoke in support of universal health care and assisted dying.

I'm starting to feel a little sorry for you.  Are you that big of a hack that you cannot see what's staring you right in the face?  What I do when people own mistakes is just let it go.

To maintain your position, you have to say that racial issues, education, and healthcare, subjects that have been dominating the scene for at least the past six years, are not "broader issues."  Dr. Carson wrote about those issues sixteen years ago.  Why not just admit you didn't know he was actually writing books long before his recent speech made him a presidential contender?  No harm in simply not knowing.   

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« Reply #17 on: March 26, 2015, 12:07:13 PM »
I'm starting to feel a little sorry for you.  Are you that big of a hack that you cannot see what's staring you right in the face?  What I do when people own mistakes is just let it go.

To maintain your position, you have to say that racial issues, education, and healthcare, subjects that have been dominating the scene for at least the past six years, are not "broader issues."  Dr. Carson wrote about those issues sixteen years ago.  Why not just admit you didn't know he was actually writing books long before his recent speech made him a presidential contender?  No harm in simply not knowing.   



These are issues he expounded on as a MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL who was also A BLACK MAN. He was not speaking about broader political issues outside of race or medicine.

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Re: Ben Carson, ready for his close up
« Reply #18 on: March 26, 2015, 12:11:54 PM »

These are issues he expounded on as a MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL who was also A BLACK MAN. He was not speaking about broader political issues outside of race or medicine.

Wrong.  He wrote as an American who happened to be black and a doctor.  He was writing about education, race, and healthcare, which are clearly "broader issues."  I read the book.  I could quote passages from the book as well, but I think my work here is done.   :)

But one thing you have done is shown that you really do struggle with acknowledging when you are mistaken.   :-\

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« Reply #19 on: March 26, 2015, 12:18:15 PM »
Wrong.  He wrote as an American who happened to be black and a doctor.  He was writing about education, race, and healthcare, which are clearly "broader issues."  I read the book.  I could quote passages from the book as well, but I think my work here is done.   :)

But one thing you have done is shown that you really do struggle with acknowledging when you are mistaken.   :-\

Ok... so if  race, medicine and education were the broad issues that the article lies and says Carson only recently started paying attention to... then what were the narrow issues that he'd been focusing on until recently? According to the article?

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« Reply #20 on: March 26, 2015, 12:25:07 PM »
Interesting guy.


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http://www.gq.com/news-politics/newsmakers/201504/ben-carson-tea-party?currentPage=1


By his own admission, Carson's serious interest in Republican politics is rather recent. As a young man, he was a "radical, wild-eyed, left-wing Democrat" who crossed over to the right during the Reagan years. After the impeachment of Bill Clinton, he was so sickened by the hypocrisy of adulterous congressional Republicans that he became an independent. He only rejoined the GOP last year as a matter of convenience. "If I weren't thinking about running for office, I would remain an independent," he told me.

And yet today's GOP has proven to be a comfortable fit. Carson, to be sure, is a longstanding conservative in both temperament and ideology. His message of self-empowerment is part of a black-conservative tradition that dates back to at least the nineteenth century and Booker T. Washington. But Carson—who was understandably busy with his medical career, not to mention his philanthropic efforts aimed at African-American youth—didn't begin paying serious attention to broader issues until more recently. Which, of course, is right around the time that large portions of conservatism went insane. As a result, Carson's ideology of late appear to have been formed in the fever swamps of right-wing websites and Fox News—where Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are portrayed as Manchurian candidates sent by Saul Alinsky to undermine the United States. He's taken the same sincere up-by-the-bootstraps message that he once preached to black children and grafted it onto a worldview promulgated largely on conservative talk radio, validating many of the most provocative sentiments popular on the far right by repeating them in his mellifluous tone. He's that rarest of breeds: a soft-spoken demagogue.

Carson is so certain of the rightness of his views that he's practically incapable of admitting error. The controversies he's ignited with his overheated rhetoric are, in his telling, the result of "political correctness run amuck." He complains, "We've reached a point where if you say the word 'slavery' or you say the word 'bestiality,' it's like you've sprayed a fly with Raid—people start spinning, and they just can't function anymore."

On several occasions, I tried to get Carson to concede that his analogy likening the U.S. to Nazi Germany was out of line (he's said that Americans under Obama are as intimidated and afraid to criticize their government as Germans under the Third Reich). But he refused to give any ground. Our longest discussion about the matter came in Jerusalem, in the cafeteria of the Holocaust museum at Yad Vashem. We'd spent the previous ninety minutes touring the museum, followed by Carson entering Yad Vashem's Hall of Remembrance and, black kippah atop his head, laying a wreath made of red, pink, and orange poppies that read "Courage and Truth Will Win: In loving memory the 6 million." Given all this, I asked Carson, did it make him reconsider his analogy?

"Not at all," he said. "It makes it even stronger."


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« Reply #21 on: March 26, 2015, 12:25:23 PM »
Ok... so if  race, medicine and education were the broad issues that the article lies and says Carson only recently started paying attention to... then what were the narrow issues that he'd been focusing on until recently? According to the article?

Again, the article said he "didn't begin paying serious attention to broader issues until more recently."  It didn't say he only recently started paying attention to "race, medicine and education."  But nice try.  The statement in the article was much broader.  I'm the one who posted the chapter titles from his book showing he was writing books about "broader issues" that included race, education, and healthcare sixteen years ago.  You really should just let this one go.  


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« Reply #22 on: March 26, 2015, 12:26:00 PM »


You know, after my exchange with Al, I'm starting to wonder about this.   :-\

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« Reply #23 on: March 26, 2015, 12:33:06 PM »
Again, the article said he "didn't begin paying serious attention to broader issues until more recently."  It didn't say he only recently started paying attention to "race, medicine and education."  But nice try.  The statement in the article was much broader.  I'm the one who posted the chapter titles from his book showing he was writing books about "broader issues" that included race, education, and healthcare sixteen years ago.  You really should just let this one go.  



 ::)  What were the narrow issues?  This is the sentence in full:

But Carson—who was understandably busy with his medical career, not to mention his philanthropic efforts aimed at African-American youth—didn't begin paying serious attention to broader issues until more recently.


If they weren't  medical stuff and race stuff , then what  were they? What could the author of that article have been referring to>

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« Reply #24 on: March 26, 2015, 12:40:45 PM »
::)  What were the narrow issues?  This is the sentence in full:

But Carson—who was understandably busy with his medical career, not to mention his philanthropic efforts aimed at African-American youth—didn't begin paying serious attention to broader issues until more recently.


If they weren't  medical stuff and race stuff , then what  were they? What could the author of that article have been referring to>

What the heck are you talking about?  Race, education, and healthcare are not narrow issues.  They are unquestionably "broader issues."  Dr. Carson was "paying attention" to those broader issues, because he wrote a book about those broader issues.  So the author saying he wasn't paying attention is wrong.  The author didn't know what he was talking about. 

If you keep this up I'm going to post excerpts from the book when I get a chance.   :)