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Title: M1T FAQ
Post by: gijoe on April 13, 2004, 05:43:26 AM: Pro-hormone/Pro-steroid FAQ:

This will be a living thread. I will add to it slowly, but will start off with M1T, since it is the latest and greatest right now.

M1T:

M1T is 1-Testosterone with a modification to the molecule that lets it pass through the liver without degradation. Some people say this changes the substance to an entirely different steroid, some say it just adds the methylated bond, but the base substance remains the same. Whichever way it actually is, there is no clear evidence. The only clear evidence is that this compound works for significant weight and strength gains in most subjects.

M1T is not recommended for individuals who are less than 21 years old, and who have not been training for an extended period of time. This should not be used for a first PH/PS, AAS cycle since it is extremely potent. The only reason this steroid is legal is because it was never manufactured as a steroid. It is a new substance, and one not to be taken lightly.

Before you begin your cycle, ensure you have all ancillaries, including PCT (Post Cycle Therapy) items. Never begin a cycle if you do not have everything you need to complete it!!

A cycle of M1T should not last longer than 4 weeks, with some users preferring to utilize the 2 weeks on / 2 weeks off cycle, and some preferring the 4 weeks on / 4 weeks off cycle.

Side Effects: Lethargy, Hypertension, decreased appetite, increased liver values, testes shrinkage, libido loss or heightening, muscle cramping or pain, and natural testosterone production halt. This substance does not aromatize, so the instances of gyno are extremely low unless proper PCT is not followed.

Dosage information: The dosage for most people lies in the 5-20mg ED range. The higher the bodyweight, the higher the dosage, ending up at 20mg ED for people over 225lbs. If the dosage can be split, take it in the morning and again in the evening. If it cannot be split, take it at your convenience.

Ancillary (PH’s): When running M1T, it is best to frontload 4AD for 10-14 days to combat sides and aid in mass increase. The preferred method of delivery for 4AD is transdermally (400-600mg ED, split into 2 doses, one in the morning, the last at night.)

Ancillary (other): Milk thistle and NAC should be taken for two weeks before and two weeks after the cycle for liver health. 500mg ED of each should be taken during this time. Hawthorne Berry should be used to combat blood pressure issues while using M1T. The dosage for this is 3g ED. This should be taken the entire time M1T is in the cycle. For muscle pain and cramping, consume 1g ED of Potassium, or eat a banana.

PCT: PCT is not an option with M1T. Do not dismiss it! PCT should be run for the same length cycle as the PH/PS was (i.e. 2 weeks of M1T, 2 weeks of PCT). The preferred substance to use would be Nolvadex (for research purposes only). The dosage for it would be 40mg ED split into two doses for the first half of PCT, then dropping to 20mg ED the last half. If you choose to use an OTC supplement for PCT, then use 6OXO by ergopharm. The dosage for 6OXO is 600mg ED split into two doses for the first half of PCT, then 400mg ED for the last half.
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: SCYankeeJay on April 13, 2004, 04:49:21 PM: Thanks for the info dude, I start my cycle in 2 weeks and the stuff about the PCT's was extemely helpful to me.
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: gijoe on April 13, 2004, 05:00:20 PM: Happy we could help!
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: Mr. Biceps on April 13, 2004, 05:29:11 PM: thin sprays of 4-AD at different locations of ur body is better than one thick buildup at one location. True or False?
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: guywithchest on April 13, 2004, 07:41:31 PM: probably a stupid question... but....

is saw palmetto good for a pct?
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: gijoe on April 14, 2004, 04:00:21 AM: Quote from: mister_bicepz on April 13, 2004, 05:29:11 PM
thin sprays of 4-AD at different locations of ur body is better than one thick buildup at one location. True or False?
Not necessarily. Some people vary location because the skin gets irritated and red, but others apply on the same spot continuously.
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: gijoe on April 14, 2004, 04:00:54 AM: Quote from: guywithchest on April 13, 2004, 07:41:31 PM
probably a stupid question... but....

is saw palmetto good for a pct?
It is thought to help the prostrate from enlarging.
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: gunnz on April 14, 2004, 02:29:24 PM: I have asked this before, but just want to clarify:

Here is my cylce:

wks 1&2: 4 ad & Milk thistle
wks 3&4: 4 ad, M1T, NAC, hawthorne berry
wks 3&4: 4 ad (here is where I get confused-do I do 2 wks of nolva and milk thistle, or just the 4 ad?)
wks 5&6: 4 ad, M1T, NAC, hawthorne berry
wks 7&8: 40 mg nolva, milk thistle
wks 9&10: 20 mg nolva, milk thistle

My question as listed above, do I do 2 wks pct between 2 wk cylces of M1T?

Gains have been phenomenal and I want to keep them!!!
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: mister bicepzx on April 14, 2004, 06:48:26 PM: somethings not right wid your cycle man. that is a 4-week cycle, not a 2-week cycle.
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: gijoe on April 15, 2004, 04:09:10 AM: Quote from: big_gunns on April 14, 2004, 02:29:24 PM
I have asked this before, but just want to clarify:

Here is my cylce:

wks 1&2: 4 ad & Milk thistle
wks 3&4: 4 ad, M1T, NAC, hawthorne berry
wks 3&4: 4 ad (here is where I get confused-do I do 2 wks of nolva and milk thistle, or just the 4 ad?)
wks 5&6: 4 ad, M1T, NAC, hawthorne berry
wks 7&8: 40 mg nolva, milk thistle
wks 9&10: 20 mg nolva, milk thistle

My question as listed above, do I do 2 wks pct between 2 wk cylces of M1T?

Gains have been phenomenal and I want to keep them!!!
If you are gonna do 2 back to back do either 4 on, then PCT, or do 2 on/2 off, but continue 4ad for the off weeks with nothing else.
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: gunnz on April 15, 2004, 05:48:54 AM: gijoe-2 questions for you-

What do you think of my cycle? I am 6' and 225 lbs (up from 202 4 wks ago!!)

Why wouldn't I want to do any pct in between the 2 wk cycles? I am doing the cylces correct, right?
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: INFAMOUS on April 16, 2004, 08:59:22 PM: Thanks GI for the info. So basically 45 days is to long? I have been stacking it with NO2 by pinnacle and have experienced tremendous gains. I've been on since march 10 with no PCT. Any suggestions as two coming off and using the OXO? Thank you in advance.
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: Aerian on April 25, 2004, 11:23:05 PM: ok gi joe my question to you

Is m1t worth getting by itself along side Milk thistle..

and what is NAC

and also Is Nolvadex an otc drug or what????

yeah i am a newbie to the chemical game.
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: Stubborn on April 26, 2004, 01:28:03 PM: Quote from: Tripgon on April 25, 2004, 11:23:05 PM
ok gi joe my question to you

Is m1t worth getting by itself along side Milk thistle..

and what is NAC

and also Is Nolvadex an otc drug or what????

yeah i am a newbie to the chemical game.
It is best to do it (M1T) just as it was explained above.

NAC = N-Acetyl-Cysteine

Nolva is available for "research purposes only", not OTC.

Hope this helps!
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: Aerian on April 26, 2004, 03:52:27 PM: thanks for info

i just ordered from bb.com

m1t W/ milk thistle 80ct
4-ad 120 ct
6-0x0 120 ct
all for a total of 99 bucks

what a steal i cant wait.
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: seemytree on April 27, 2004, 03:32:27 PM: what are the probability or getting gyno if proper pct isn't taken?

like, if i don't take pct's will i get gyno no matter what?
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: amp10 on April 28, 2004, 11:48:12 AM: Alright, I've read about it long enough. I'm going to give it a try. My question is about the 4-AD. You said to frontload it, but do you mean I should stop whan I start my M1T? Also there is An M1T plus product. It contains 150 mg of hawthorne berry per 5mg of M1T. Is that enough, or should I invest in some more hawthorne? I am interested to see if this stuff lives up to the hype. I have taken some ph's before and not much results.
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: spidey007 on April 28, 2004, 12:23:42 PM: Amp10..go for about 400-600mg of 4ad per day throughout your cycle. Start it about 10 days BEFORE you begin your m1t (it dampens the sides of the m1t). GI JOE thinks that about 3 grams of hawthorne is good during the m1t part (do control high blood pressure), and I agree. Figure out how much hawthorn you will need to take to get to 3 grams a day. Also, if you haven't done so yet, read JOEs thread up top.
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: amp10 on April 28, 2004, 12:34:10 PM: I read the thread and it was really helpfull. I have one more question, I take an eca stack. Should I get off of it. I take it more for energy than fat loss. If possible I would like to stay on it, is that possible. Whats the convertion rate from mg to g? Is it .001 to 1? Also, is 6 OXO going to be ok for pct rather than nolva? I already have some 6 OXO and would love to not have to buy nolva, I'm broke.
Title: M1T INFO
Post by: travis macisaac on April 28, 2004, 02:14:58 PM: I'm not sure how u ask questions on this site but im trying to find some information about M1T. Im supposed to start my first cycle of it next week and im wondering if i should take hawthorne berry with it?? Can someone email me and give me some information about M1T and anything that I should take with it. Thanks for your help!
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: TOMCAT on April 29, 2004, 12:45:12 PM: I am interested in trying M1T,I went to BB.com they had 4 different brands.What brand is the best and how many pills do I need to finish a cycle?
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: gijoe on April 29, 2004, 01:01:59 PM: Quote from: TOMCAT on April 29, 2004, 12:45:12 PM
I am interested in trying M1T,I went to BB.com they had 4 different brands.What brand is the best and how many pills do I need to finish a cycle?

You can do Higher Power if you aren't going to use liver detox agents during the cycle. If you are, go with Legal Gear. Buy the larger bottle of HP, and you'll be set for 1-2 cycles.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/hp/m1t.html
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: TOMCAT on April 29, 2004, 04:28:55 PM: Quote from: gijoe on April 29, 2004, 01:01:59 PM
Quote from: TOMCAT on April 29, 2004, 12:45:12 PM
I am interested in trying M1T,I went to BB.com they had 4 different brands.What brand is the best and how many pills do I need to finish a cycle?

You can do Higher Power if you aren't going to use liver detox agents during the cycle. If you are, go with Legal Gear. Buy the larger bottle of HP, and you'll be set for 1-2 cycles.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/hp/m1t.html

alright thats sounds good which one is better(stronger)and is oxo a sample of liver detox?
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: mister.bicepz on May 01, 2004, 05:43:00 AM: BB.com has ok prices, not the cheapest. You could save money if u bought from other sites.
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: ur_moms_pimp2000 on May 04, 2004, 08:53:13 AM: What does Hawthorn berry do? Where can you get it?
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: gijoe on May 04, 2004, 08:59:56 AM: Quote from: ur_moms_pimp2000 on May 04, 2004, 08:53:13 AM
What does Hawthorn berry do? Where can you get it?
Taken from the FAQ:
"Ancillary (other): Milk thistle and NAC should be taken for two weeks before and two weeks after the cycle for liver health. 500mg ED of each should be taken during this time. Hawthorne Berry should be used to combat blood pressure issues while using M1T. The dosage for this is 3g ED. This should be taken the entire time M1T is in the cycle. For muscle pain and cramping, consume 1g ED of Potassium, or eat a banana."
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: lv2010 on May 04, 2004, 06:24:08 PM: lethargy is listed as one of the side effects. has anyone who has used M1T experienced this?
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: Aerian on May 05, 2004, 04:55:03 PM: Yep sure have

And its definately noticable

I have even noticed that my intensity in the gym has slacked off. But i can still manage

But i am waking up with pumps that last all day long. Good stuff.
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: gunnz on May 05, 2004, 07:41:58 PM: The first 2 weeks was the worst for me. I felt pretty lethargic and even a little sick to my stomach a couple of days.

My second two weeks has not been bad at all. Not even loss of appetite or anything I experienced the first 2. Actually, I don't think I have experienced any sides these last 2 weeks at all! Just great gains and pumps. I'm coming off Saturday for 8 weeks, got all my pct and looking forward to keeping my gains.
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: supermanfb on May 06, 2004, 12:01:06 PM: Has anyone heard of Methylate by steel city pharmacuetical?
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: amp10 on May 06, 2004, 02:16:15 PM: Ok. Some people say that m1t is similar to a steroid. I know on gear you can up the amount of sets without overtraining. Does the same go for this stuff?
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: soldierboy67 on May 09, 2004, 02:01:14 PM: Has anyone tried methyldienolone? I read it's got less side effects that M1T, with gains that are just a little less. Anyone have a clue?
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: gunnz on May 09, 2004, 05:43:47 PM: The jury seems to still be out on methyl d. A very experienced friend of mine had some good gains off of it, but he has not tried m1t yet.
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: Aerian on May 09, 2004, 11:29:47 PM: M1t is killing my kidneys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: HavoX on May 10, 2004, 12:09:08 AM: i'm taking m1t and all the stuff as directed... hawthorne berry etc. My blood pressure is still up above normal... I guess I'll just have to live with it for 4 weeks at a time.

unless there are other suggestions?
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: gunnz on May 10, 2004, 05:05:03 AM: Quote from: Juicer on May 09, 2004, 11:29:47 PM
M1t is killing my kidneys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What are you feeling like?
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: amp10 on May 11, 2004, 12:10:02 PM: I started my cycle yesterday and today I woke up dizy as hell. Anyone have this happen?
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: Aerian on May 11, 2004, 08:28:08 PM: i felt like crap

I just ended my 3 week cycle a week early. I couldnt take the side effects, lethargy, the headaches, the kidney pains. The lack of energy i had in the gym. THere were days where i didnt want to move allll day long. Some days i sat at home on the couch for 10+ hours. ANd i am a very very hyperactive individual.

I did like the pumps and the added 15 lbs but i felt bloated very uneasy.

I am a very healthy individual lots of veggies and fruits, cranberry juice, and green tea, hawthornberry, milk thistle, other liver aids. 60x0 Nac. blah blah blah...

But with the m1t i felt like i was close to being sick all the time. I have read that the 1st cycle the sides are worse then the 2nd time around so i might give it another go in a month or so.

rant done
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: ram1 on May 11, 2004, 10:32:32 PM: Quote from: Juicer on May 11, 2004, 08:28:08 PM
i felt like crap

I just ended my 3 week cycle a week early. I couldnt take the side effects, lethargy, the headaches, the kidney pains. The lack of energy i had in the gym. THere were days where i didnt want to move allll day long. Some days i sat at home on the couch for 10+ hours. ANd i am a very very hyperactive individual.

I did like the pumps and the added 15 lbs but i felt bloated very uneasy.

I am a very healthy individual lots of veggies and fruits, cranberry juice, and green tea, hawthornberry, milk thistle, other liver aids. 60x0 Nac. blah blah blah...

But with the m1t i felt like i was close to being sick all the time. I have read that the 1st cycle the sides are worse then the 2nd time around so i might give it another go in a month or so.

rant done

What causes all these side affects and why is the 2nd time around much better? Could taking ephedra help?
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: Aerian on May 11, 2004, 10:54:55 PM: Well i beleive its the m1t

2nd time around i hear your body has adapted a lil more so the sides arent as intense this is just from other peeps. No hand on experience but will find out.

But damn they were noticeable after the 1st week. End of 2nd no sir not any more i said. I had it that when i woke up (after 10 hours of sleep, m1t made me sleep like a baby) i was still soo very tired and found my self constantly doseing off at work, and barely able to hold my eyes up. Lord help me if i had to get up and actually DO SOMETHING...can you say lack of motivation. lol ;D

The bloating could have been caused by the 4-ad i was taking but i put more of it on the m1t

I am sure that the lethargy sides could be avoided with an energy aid of some sort but i didnt want to the 1st time i tried m1t.

This was my 1st cycle of anythign

time to move on to the REAL GEAR
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: ram1 on May 12, 2004, 03:07:34 AM: Quote from: Juicer on May 11, 2004, 10:54:55 PM
Well i beleive its the m1t

2nd time around i hear your body has adapted a lil more so the sides arent as intense this is just from other peeps. No hand on experience but will find out.

But damn they were noticeable after the 1st week. End of 2nd no sir not any more i said. I had it that when i woke up (after 10 hours of sleep, m1t made me sleep like a baby) i was still soo very tired and found my self constantly doseing off at work, and barely able to hold my eyes up. Lord help me if i had to get up and actually DO SOMETHING...can you say lack of motivation. lol ;D

The bloating could have been caused by the 4-ad i was taking but i put more of it on the m1t

I am sure that the lethargy sides could be avoided with an energy aid of some sort but i didnt want to the 1st time i tried m1t.

This was my 1st cycle of anythign

time to move on to the REAL GEAR

Interesting ... I'm just wondering what actually causes the side affects (what M1T does to cause that).
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: gunnz on May 12, 2004, 11:15:27 AM: Quote from: Juicer on May 11, 2004, 08:28:08 PM
i felt like crap

I just ended my 3 week cycle a week early. I couldnt take the side effects, lethargy, the headaches, the kidney pains. The lack of energy i had in the gym. THere were days where i didnt want to move allll day long. Some days i sat at home on the couch for 10+ hours. ANd i am a very very hyperactive individual.

I did like the pumps and the added 15 lbs but i felt bloated very uneasy.

I am a very healthy individual lots of veggies and fruits, cranberry juice, and green tea, hawthornberry, milk thistle, other liver aids. 60x0 Nac. blah blah blah...

But with the m1t i felt like i was close to being sick all the time. I have read that the 1st cycle the sides are worse then the 2nd time around so i might give it another go in a month or so.

rant done

I had basically no bad side effects my second two weeks, besides the bloating/water retention.
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: blazer000 on May 12, 2004, 03:54:31 PM: just like lots of peeps out there, i have started my M1T cycle, been on exactly one week
i weighed 200 even before i started, i'm up to about 202 -1/2, 203 right now
i am taking 20 mg a day, divided up into for doses
i have been lethargic as hell
NO energy whatsoever
havent' noticed any strenght gains , just some weight
i'll keep whoever reads this and cares posted
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: amp10 on May 13, 2004, 09:54:58 PM: I have been taking m1t for four days and I am not tired at all. If anything I feel energized. I did have headaches the first two days, but the last two were great. Great pumps and I have put on 3 lbs,"probably water weight from the 4-ad". I am just reporting that thus far it's been great.
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: Aerian on May 13, 2004, 10:11:16 PM: Quote from: amp10 on May 13, 2004, 09:54:58 PM
I have been taking m1t for four days and I am not tired at all. If anything I feel energized. I did have headaches the first two days, but the last two were great. Great pumps and I have put on 3 lbs,"probably water weight from the 4-ad". I am just reporting that thus far it's been great.

come back after 4 more days
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: amp10 on May 15, 2004, 03:34:20 PM: Day 6 still good pumps . Very minimal sides, weight keeps going up.
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: DEFCON on May 20, 2004, 03:34:23 PM: I figured I'd try this stuff. I'm on my 12th day right now. No side effects at all, but then again no real results either.
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: blazer000 on May 20, 2004, 07:19:22 PM: update on the M1T cycle

still 20 mg a day, hanging in at 205, energy is up somewhat, strength is still about the same as when i started, if anyone cares!
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: mister.bicepz on May 24, 2004, 04:07:47 AM: i am now a few weeks removed from my cycle, and so far i haven't lost a single lb. if anything, i gained. i used m1t pre contest and managed to put on 3, 4 lbs while dieting and doing heavy cardio to prepare for a contest. after the contest, i managed to keep gaining nonstop even without the m1t. but i also went back to my carb-heavy diet so that would explain it.
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: mister.bicepz on May 24, 2004, 04:11:12 AM: forgot to add. my strength on the inclined, for example, went from 245 to 285. had zero side effects what so ever except for the mood swings, but that probably had to do wid my diet at the time than the m1t itself.
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: soldat on May 24, 2004, 07:30:30 AM: So does anyone have any more info on Methyl-D, or is it still too new?
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: MartiniMan on May 26, 2004, 08:00:11 AM: Question for GIJoe, when you get a chance!

Your M1T FAQ was very well written ... not just great facts, but logically and clearly presented, as well! In that post, you wrote:

Quote from: gijoe on April 13, 2004, 05:43:26 AM
M1T is not recommended for individuals who are less than 21 years old, and who have not been training for an extended period of time. This should not be used for a first PH/PS, AAS cycle since it is extremely potent. The only reason this steroid is legal is because it was never manufactured as a steroid. It is a new substance, and one not to be taken lightly.

I have been correctly and seriously working out for about 2 years now, but have only taken Creatine and Glutamine (and obviously a lot of protein!) .... I imagine if I jumped right to M1T I'd end up experiencing a lot of the side effects Juicer was describing, so I'm definately going to take your advice on starting with something "softer" ... my question, then is:

Should I do the exact cycle (including before and PCT) as you outlined in your post, but just substitue it for something like 1-Test, or does the cylce differ if I'm using something other than M1T?

Thanks again for sharing your experience!
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: gijoe on May 26, 2004, 09:31:59 AM: Martini,

I like, for a first stack, 1-Test (estergels) and 1,4 AD (Boldione) and more specifically, the Molecular Nutrition brand. I would frontload the 1,4 AD for at least 2 weeks prior to starting 1-Test. I would then run the two substances together for an additional 4 weeks, then do 4-6 weeks PCT with 6OXO, 600mg ED, split in 2 doses, for the first 2-3 weeks, then drop to 400mg ED for the remaining 2-3 weeks.

Hope this helps, let me know if you need anything else.
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: MartiniMan on May 26, 2004, 10:39:29 AM: Thanks G-man!

I really appreciate your advice and time spent ... I've gained quite a bit of education here I just wouldn't get anywhere else.

I'll be starting the suggested routine the 1st or 2nd week in June, so I'll keep you posted.

And, by the way, I assume I'm only allowed two martinis a day on this program, right?

Just kidding ... I know it's "cold turkey" for my liver's sake ... oh, well, I'd rather be big and sober than small and sauced!
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: gijoe on May 26, 2004, 10:55:06 AM: Martini,

Yep, get everything you can out of the cycle. Eat good, limit or get rid of alcohol, etc... I look forward to hearing about the cycle!
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: MartiniMan on May 27, 2004, 07:45:06 AM: GiJoe,

In prepreation for purchasing for my first cycle, I've re-read your original post, and then the more recent one (a couple above this one) that outlined a first cycle recommendation.

Based on combining those two, please let me know if the following cycle would be correct and recommended:

Week 1 & 2: 1,4 AD Milk Thistle NAC
Week 3,4,5,6: 1,4 AD 1-Test Hawthorne Berry
Week 5 & 6: Milk Thistle NAC Nolvadex 40 mg (split twice ED)
Week 7 & 8: Milk Thislte NAC Nolvadex 20 mg (split twice ED)

In your last post, you mentioned 6OXO instead of Nolvadex ... would you recommend that based on my 1st Cycle ever, or would the Nolvadex still be the best bet ... I know ... "for research purposes only"?

Thanks!
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: gijoe on May 27, 2004, 08:30:33 AM: Martini,

Some issues...

#1: If you don't have issues with Blood Pressure, don't worry about the Hawthorn, it is not a major side with 1-Test.

#2: The 20mg dose of Nolvadex is not split, take it at any time of day.

#3: Nolva is always preferred, but if unable to obtain/feel uncomfortable, 6OXO is suitable for this stack.
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: MartiniMan on May 27, 2004, 09:05:41 AM: Thanks for the clarifications! I haven't decided yet, but may go with the 6OXO as the idea of using a needle for the Tamox is a bit weird for me ... right now ... by the way, where do you stick yourself with that stuff?

Also, a few more questions (I know ... thanks for your patience!)

Where do you get NAC (can't find it yet)?

For my learning experience: Why is it encouraged to use an estrogen blocker (Tamox) AFTER the cycle? Is going off the 1-Test or M1T a trigger for estrogen? Are there any other times besides PCT that using an estrogen blocker is beneficial?

Thanks again!
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: gijoe on May 27, 2004, 10:14:21 AM: Martini,

#1: The solution from Lion Nutrition would be used orally...not via needle.

#2: Concerning Post Cycle Therapy...
An anti estrogen or inhibitor is used Post Cycle because natural testosterone is shut down, but estrogen production remains normal or even elevated. The anti/inhibitor will block estrogen at the receptors while natural testosterone production is resumed by the Hypothalamic/Pituitary/Testicular Axis (HPTA).

#3: NAC (N-Acetyl-Cysteine): Can be bought at nearly any Vitamin Shop, GNC, Bodybuilding.com, etc...
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: MartiniMan on May 27, 2004, 02:03:01 PM: Thanks for the clarification about Tamox .... lionnutrition.com shows a picture of it with a needle lying next to it, so I assumed ...
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: ezexecutive on May 27, 2004, 08:51:27 PM: For anyone who cares...

I have just finished my first cycle of M1T and couldn't be happier!!! Gained about 5 lbs rock hard mass over the last month and a half without an once of fat. No serious strength gains but massive gains in muscle size. As far as side effects, my blood pressure went up slightly and I suffered a taste of gyno the last few days of my cycle but all is well now. One thing I experienced with M1T that I haven't experienced with ANY other andro was my libido went through the roof rather than the floor. Good stuff!!! My only concern is that I maintain my gains while I am off this stuff. We shall see.
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: ezquestion on June 01, 2004, 12:56:36 PM: ezexecutive,

what about that gyno? did you not use any PCT? I thought that gyno was an impossibility with m1t + nolva...
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: DEFCON on June 03, 2004, 07:01:39 PM: I'm near the end of my 4th week now and I'm pretty happy with the results. started at 197 and I'm now 204. I also have been dieting and doing some cardio. No bloat, no lethargy. no side effects at all besides some acne, but that can be from anything. My energy in the gym is also up. I'm pretty much in the best shape of my life right now, 5'10", 204, ripped I'd guess around 5-7%. I'd say I put on around a few pounds lean mass with this. That's a big deal when you're natural. My strength has also gone up a lot. nothing crazy but a month ago I'd be able to do chest inclines with 110's for maybe 8 without a spot. Now I can easily do 12.

I also took some 4AD on top of this. I didn't start that until the third week. So I've been stacking the M1T and 4AD for 2 weeks. This is the end of this cycle. I'll be taking the 6-OXO along with some ZMA and creatine. I made sure I didn't take any other supplements besides protein and aminos while on the M1T and 4AD. Wanted to know if it really works. I say it does and that's why it will probably be illegal soon! I'm not gonna say this is some miracle supplement as my diet is on point also.

Also for background info I'll be 31 this month. Training for over 12 years. Have done other PH's before starting with the Muscletech products like 7 years ago. Never done steroids or anything illegal. But I will say that I think a lot of supplements are mental. just the fact that I'm taking something knew gets me in the gym so I work out harder regardless. Who knows. I'm going off now for a few weeks. Then I'll try this again and see how it goes.
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: The Wraith on June 03, 2004, 07:17:14 PM: I guess this (M1T) will be banned now?
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: H4eafy on June 05, 2004, 10:28:37 AM: I have T100 and A100. What can i do to try and combat the tired feeling??

Is there anything that can be done about the loss of appitite?
And what is a gyno?

I hope these arent stupid questions.
Thanx.
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: H4eafy on June 05, 2004, 10:35:09 AM: How important is 4-ad when taking a pro-hormone?

What is PCT??

Sorry for the dumbass questions but i wanna know this stuff!

Thanks
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: Rigs on June 06, 2004, 06:41:29 PM: Is this thread ONLY for M1T questions? I have a question about another hormone but I didn't want anyone gettin' pissed at me.
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: Rigs on June 06, 2004, 07:41:41 PM: Where's a mod when you need one? ::)
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: drkaje on June 07, 2004, 07:05:49 AM: I used the M1-T and was happy with the weight gain, will the 4-AD combat the libido loss.

I looked better but had a difficult time getting aroused.
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: Rigs on June 07, 2004, 10:30:17 AM: CAN SOMEONE ANSWER MY QUESTION PLEASE

Is this thread ONLY for M1T questions?
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: gijoe on June 07, 2004, 10:57:49 AM: What's the question, Rigs?
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: H4eafy on June 07, 2004, 11:01:30 AM: What about my questions?????

I have T100 and A100.

What can i do to try and combat the tired feeling??
Is there anything that can be done about the loss of appitite?
And what is a gyno?
How important is 4-ad when taking a pro-hormone?
What is PCT??
Sorry for the dumbass questions but i wanna know this stuff!

I hope these arent stupid questions.
Thanx.
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: gijoe on June 07, 2004, 11:05:57 AM: Quote from: H4eafy on June 07, 2004, 11:01:30 AM
What about my questions?????

I have T100 and A100.

What can i do to try and combat the tired feeling??
Is there anything that can be done about the loss of appitite?
And what is a gyno?
How important is 4-ad when taking a pro-hormone?
What is PCT??
Sorry for the dumbass questions but i wanna know this stuff!

I hope these arent stupid questions.
Thanx.
Bro,

If it is the SANS brand, it is 1-test and 4AD. These normally don't inspire lethargy and loss of appetite, are you sure it isn't something else (sleep, diet, stress?) The 4AD should BOOST the appetite if anything. 4AD is a good stacking supplement when mass building, but it can create water retention and a bloat feeling. It isn't "necessary", but it is effective. Gyno is small lumps of fatty tissue in the breast area, and can be induced by the use of ph/ps. This is why I preach to do homework before doing a cycle and having necessary precautions on hand in case it begins.
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: H4eafy on June 07, 2004, 11:10:19 AM: Quote from: gijoe on June 07, 2004, 11:05:57 AM
Bro,

If it is the SANS brand, it is 1-test and 4AD. These normally don't inspire lethargy and loss of appetite, are you sure it isn't something else (sleep, diet, stress?) The 4AD should BOOST the appetite if anything. 4AD is a good stacking supplement when mass building, but it can create water retention and a bloat feeling. It isn't "necessary", but it is effective. Gyno is small lumps of fatty tissue in the breast area, and can be induced by the use of ph/ps. This is why I preach to do homework before doing a cycle and having necessary precautions on hand in case it begins.

Thanks

Thanks, im just finishing college and started a full time job this week but normally that stuff dosent bother me. It will be that tho (duh, THINK h4eafy!!).

But what sort of precautions and are gyno's bad for you or are they a sign of something bad. What precautions should be taken.

Thanks again!
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: gijoe on June 07, 2004, 11:12:00 AM: Nolvadex is the main precaution used. Sometimes during the cycle, but most commonly afterwards. If prone to gyno, I would suggest NOT using hormones.
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: Rigs on June 07, 2004, 12:47:44 PM: Quote from: gijoe on June 07, 2004, 10:57:49 AM
What's the question, Rigs?

Is this thread only for M1T questions? If not, then I have a question about Norandrostenediol.
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: gijoe on June 07, 2004, 05:42:37 PM: Quote from: Rigs on June 07, 2004, 12:47:44 PM
Is this thread only for M1T questions? If not, then I have a question about Norandrostenediol.

Shoot bro
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: Rigs on June 08, 2004, 04:40:06 AM: I have heard nothing but good things about Nor by itself or in a stack, but I don't always trust everyone. That’s why I'm asking you (Pressure ;D ) about it. How long should I take it and should I stack it with anything else. They also said that this was the "best" precursor because it supposedly more anabolic then test and doesn't have any androgenic side effects. Share your knowledge.

Thanx, Rigs
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: gijoe on June 08, 2004, 08:37:36 AM: Rigs,

Give me some bodybuilding background info and stats on yourself, that will help me to help you better.
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: Rigs on June 09, 2004, 05:52:53 AM: I'm 23, 5'8" 172.5 (dieting down for a show) Been lifting for 7 years, SERIOUSLY lifting for 2. I'm not a hardgainer but I'm not growing as fast as I want to. I've made good progress growth wise supposedly. The reason I said it that way is because the people at my gym and the guy I train with said that they have seen good progess over the past year. I believe em' but I really don't see :-\
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: Steel-Lucifuge on June 09, 2004, 05:02:37 PM: I have a question regarding M1T.
When is the right timed to take the pill ?
When the stomach is empty ? or Just right after meal ?
Two of the guys I know gave me different opinion so I'm confused.
One insisted 'empty stomach' and the other insisted 'after meal'
Thanks in advance.
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: Duby on June 10, 2004, 10:42:23 AM: At the beginning of this thread, gijoe said that the preferred method of delivery for 4AD is transdermally. I looked at bb.com and couldn't find any transdermal products. Any suggestions as to mfgr?
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: gijoe on June 10, 2004, 11:50:16 AM: Quote from: Steel-Lucifuge on June 09, 2004, 05:02:37 PM
I have a question regarding M1T.
When is the right timed to take the pill ?
When the stomach is empty ? or Just right after meal ?
Two of the guys I know gave me different opinion so I'm confused.
One insisted 'empty stomach' and the other insisted 'after meal'
Thanks in advance.

Any time of the day is fine; doesn't matter with/without food.
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: gijoe on June 10, 2004, 11:51:54 AM: Quote from: Duby on June 10, 2004, 10:42:23 AM
At the beginning of this thread, gijoe said that the preferred method of delivery for 4AD is transdermally. I looked at bb.com and couldn't find any transdermal products. Any suggestions as to mfgr?

www.1fast400.com Dermabolics 4ADerm
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: gijoe on June 10, 2004, 11:55:35 AM: Quote from: Rigs on June 08, 2004, 04:40:06 AM
I have heard nothing but good things about Nor by itself or in a stack, but I don't always trust everyone. That’s why I'm asking you (Pressure ;D ) about it. How long should I take it and should I stack it with anything else. They also said that this was the "best" precursor because it supposedly more anabolic then test and doesn't have any androgenic side effects. Share your knowledge.

Thanx, Rigs

Rigs,

Try the new PS, M4OHN. It is a good LBM gaining pro-steroid, and sound up your alley. Start @ 6mg ED and go from there. I know www.designersupps.com and www.legalgear.com have it. I like the methylated compounds as compared to standard, since they bypass first pass liver degredation.
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: S.W.A.T. on June 10, 2004, 02:53:12 PM: Has anyone tried this brand or even seen it? I have been using it with great results. But don't think it is dose correctly.

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Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: drkaje on June 15, 2004, 05:45:21 AM: I just ordered the stuff for the next M1T cycle.

Curious to see what the gains will be when done correctly.

Glad I read about this site in MD. Seems I had a few more side-effects on a 4 week cycle. There was some lethargy, loss of libido and bloating. I'll do 2 weeks cycles now.

Got stressed at work and my diet suffered (off-cycle) so I lost about 7 lbs but it'll come back.

The last week or two of the M1T I felt fat all the time, looked great (IMO) but felt fat. Thought my body just wasn't used to being over 200 lbs but after reading this thread and some of the responses it's pretty obvious that it was just some bloating.

Was using M1T and milk thistle, with 6OXO after. Can't wait to see what happens when it's done right.
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: lilbigDawg on June 15, 2004, 08:02:52 AM: First post here so I'll try not to f*ck up too badly.

I'm 5'7" about 225 with a higher BF (around 15%) than I like to have this close to summer. I have been lifting consistently for the past 5 years.
Is this M1T stufff legit? are the gains real or just retained water? I want to shed some BF but also hold onto or possibly gain some lean mass as well. Has anyone tried M1T with an ECA? Can you get lean while on this stuff?
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: gunnz on June 15, 2004, 08:18:54 AM: Quote from: drkaje on June 15, 2004, 05:45:21 AM
I just ordered the stuff for the next M1T cycle.

Curious to see what the gains will be when done correctly.

Glad I read about this site in MD. Seems I had a few more side-effects on a 4 week cycle. There was some lethargy, loss of libido and bloating. I'll do 2 weeks cycles now.

Got stressed at work and my diet suffered (off-cycle) so I lost about 7 lbs but it'll come back.

The last week or two of the M1T I felt fat all the time, looked great (IMO) but felt fat. Thought my body just wasn't used to being over 200 lbs but after reading this thread and some of the responses it's pretty obvious that it was just some bloating.

Was using M1T and milk thistle, with 6OXO after. Can't wait to see what happens when it's done right.

I was stacking my m1t with 4 AD and gijoe said he felt my bloating/water retention was more from the 4 ad than the m1t.

FYI
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: MartiniMan on June 16, 2004, 06:12:29 AM: GiJoe ... whenever you get around to it, could use some fine-tuning on my first stack. Thanks again for your help getting started on the right products and in the right combination, your time spent is very appreciated!

On page 4 of this post, I asked you about my first stack, and you gave me your recommendations, and I came up with the following, with your nod:

Week 1 & 2: 1,4 AD Milk Thistle NAC
Week 3,4,5,6: 1,4 AD 1-Test
Week 5 & 6: Milk Thistle NAC Nolvadex 40 mg (split twice ED)
Week 7 & 8: Milk Thislte NAC Nolvadex 20 mg (once ED)

I just started Sunday, so I'm in week 1, taking 1,4 AD.

Some questions:

1) What dosage of 1, 4AD, and later 1-Test do you recommend each day? I notice on the bottle of Boldione (1,4AD) "recommended dosage" could vary dramatically. Based on those instructions of "1-2 doses 2-3 times a day" .... each pill is 100 mg, so based on their recommendations, I could be taking between 200 mg and 600 mg per day. Where is the balance you have found between too little and too much? Again, when I start taking the 1-Test in a week and a half, what dosage do you recommend? And, all at once, or spread out through the day? Since this is my first stack ever, I'm taking 200 mg of 1, 4AD per day split twice, and took 300 mg yesterday split 3 times as it was "leg day". Should I up this dosage?

2) 5 or 6 weeks down the road, during PCT, how do you recommend taking the Nolvadex? (which is what I opted for over 6-OXO) Do you mix it with water, or any other preferred drink, or just shoot it straight, like a bad shot of tequila?

3) While we're at it, any recommended dosages for Milk Thistle or NAC? I've been taking one dose everytime I take the 1, AD, and assume this is enough, but it can't hurt to ask.

Thanks again, GiJoe!
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: gijoe on June 16, 2004, 07:33:48 AM: Martini,

1. 1,4 AD and 1-Test doses can range from 600-1200mg ED in divided doses. If I were you, I'd start @ 600mg and work your way up to 1000mg ED (split these into 3 doses: Morning, noon and night).
2. Nolva should be just shot, no mixing. Take 40mg ED in 2 doses, morning and night (20mg each time) for the first half of PCT. The second half, go down to 20mg ED in one dose.
3. Milk thistle should be taken @ 500mg and the same with NAC. Split these doses apart from when you take the hormones; so take them with snacks instead of when you take the 1,4 AD and 1-Test.
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: MartiniMan on June 16, 2004, 08:49:43 AM: Thanks for your prompt response.

DEAR GOD! I had no idea a cycle costs so much! I figured the "real" stuff would be this kind of money, but had no idea you had to take so much of it!

Even by using Supplementclearance.com (which is the cheapest I've found yet so far for Boldione) that means I need to buy 8 bottles of that stuff, 4 bottles of 1-Test, 2 bottles of NAC, 2 bottles of Milk Thistle and 1 bottle of Nolva, for a total cost of nearly $600.00!

I know bodybuilding costs money, but add protein, creatine and gobs of good food, again, dear god!

Opinions anyone? Have you found the $600 for the cycle to be worth it?
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: drkaje on June 16, 2004, 08:52:02 AM: Thanks for the info.
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: gijoe on June 16, 2004, 09:21:53 AM: Martini,

Run the 1,4 AD @ 600mg ED for the first 21 days. This will require 2 bottles. The second 21 days, run it @ 1000mg ED. This will require 4 bottles, with 20 pills left over.

Run the 1-Test @ 600mg ED for 10 days (once added to stack). This will require 1 bottle. The last 11 days, run it @ 1000mg ED. This will require 2 bottles, with 10 pills left over.

Run the Nolva @ 40mg ED for the first 21 days of PCT. This will require almost a full bottle (8ml left over). The second half of PCT (another 21 days) run it @ 20mg. This will require less than half of a bottle (21ml) so you'll have 37 ml left over between the 2 bottles (good for the next go round).
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: gijoe on June 16, 2004, 09:25:36 AM: Martini,

Also realize, this is probably the most expensive cycle you'll run. Once you decide to do another, you could go with more potent methylated hormones, which, believe it or not will cost only a small percentage of this stack. I really feel this stack is awesome! When I used it back in the day, it was EXTREMELY effective. I would do it again today (if cost were not a factor).
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: MartiniMan on June 16, 2004, 10:03:52 AM: Once again, all my questions answered and now I understand ...

You are the man, GiJoe!

I did notice that M1T was much less expensive than 1-Test, so much so that for an extra $5 you can get a bottle of it with the Nova vs. buying the Nolva alone.

I feel much better spending the money knowing that this will be a good foundation for future cycles and a good resulting one as well, so thanks again!
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: drkaje on June 17, 2004, 07:20:31 AM: I've seen a liquid form of M1-T, they claim it's more bioavailable.
Is there any difference?
I see a lot of the Winn depot product available and was thinking of stocking up on tablets.
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: gijoe on June 17, 2004, 07:25:44 AM: Both tabs and liquid act the same. No greater or lesser availability.
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: drkaje on June 17, 2004, 07:27:06 AM: Thanks.
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: phnewb on June 18, 2004, 09:48:11 PM: Is it worth it for a 21 year old male to take M1T? It is illegal to sell 4AD in Cali. Is there a comparable supplement that could be used in place of 4AD, or would the cycle be pointless without 4AD? What are the minuses to not using 4AD in the cycle?
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: cleatus vandamne on June 19, 2004, 05:37:22 PM: Is the consensus that 6 oxo will be sufficent to prevent gyno and any other sides using the suggested doses?

Could/should it be used during the cycle to block any estrogen?

Yes I know some estrogen and water retention is desirable, just really worried about the gyno thing.
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: MartiniMan on June 21, 2004, 08:31:22 AM: GIJoe,

I was surfing around supplement sites I've seen mentioned in these forums and came across 1400fast, so I thought I'd check out their prices on Boldione.

I've found that they have put a ban on carrying Molecular Nutrition products, and refer to some ESPN article about them. I read the article and can't come up with any reason to be disgruntled with Molecular Nutrition.

I'm in my second week of taking Boldione, as a front stack to 1-Test coming next week, and am very happy so far with the product, in fact, researching it against other 1, 4AD products seems to favor Molecular Nutrition.

Any idea what's up 1400fast's fanny about them? Do other supplement companies have a problem with them as well?
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: MartiniMan on June 21, 2004, 08:36:08 AM: Sorry, I meant to type 1fast400, not 1400fast.
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: MartiniMan on June 21, 2004, 09:46:24 AM: I know, I know ... I'm just full of questions....

I also forgot to ask why taking Milk Thistle and NAC was more beneficial separate from the Boldione and 1-Test?

Thanks!
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: MartiniMan on June 21, 2004, 09:54:23 AM: Boy, I just love to hear myself talk, don't I?

I emailed 1fast400 to ask them directly why they put a ban on Molecular Nutrtion's products, and this was their response:

"When a guy is on the front cover of a huge main stream magazine saying he can beat drug testing with his specially made drugs, then you should start to wonder his motivation. When the pro hormone ban passes in a few weeks and takes away these, plus other items following, you can thank molecular for getting the ball rolling. The balco issue fueled the fire, but the fire was started by the moron that owns that company. He still, to this day, talks in a very negative fashion about this industry."

Any comments?
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: Cleatus Van Damme on June 21, 2004, 11:41:48 AM: Sounds like that guy is an asshole.
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: gijoe on June 21, 2004, 12:43:09 PM: Quote from: MartiniMan on June 21, 2004, 09:46:24 AM
I know, I know ... I'm just full of questions....

I also forgot to ask why taking Milk Thistle and NAC was more beneficial separate from the Boldione and 1-Test?

Thanks!

It is **thought** that by taking them seperately, that the milk thistle and NAC will not interfere AS MUCH with any hormone uptake through the liver. Most people will take it before and after a cycle, not during, because of this.
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: gijoe on June 21, 2004, 12:45:39 PM: Quote from: MartiniMan on June 21, 2004, 09:54:23 AM
Boy, I just love to hear myself talk, don't I?

I emailed 1fast400 to ask them directly why they put a ban on Molecular Nutrtion's products, and this was their response:

"When a guy is on the front cover of a huge main stream magazine saying he can beat drug testing with his specially made drugs, then you should start to wonder his motivation. When the pro hormone ban passes in a few weeks and takes away these, plus other items following, you can thank molecular for getting the ball rolling. The balco issue fueled the fire, but the fire was started by the moron that owns that company. He still, to this day, talks in a very negative fashion about this industry."

Any comments?

Nobody in particular is responsible for the impending possible ban on these substances. It is a witch hunt right now, fueled by Balco Labs and many, many other things. Molecular makes awesome products, so he is doing a disservice to his customers to take the products off the shelf, IMO.
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: H4eafy on June 21, 2004, 03:19:58 PM: ok, so if im out and had a few drinks is it ok to take A100 and T100 when i get home?

Even if im really drunk?

Thanks
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: H4eafy on June 21, 2004, 03:30:15 PM: In a a few months i will go on another cycle. But i only have 1-AD. What else do i need or can i just use the 1-AD. Is 4-AD a must or is it optional. Where can i get it?

Thanks again.
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: gunnz on June 22, 2004, 05:47:31 AM: gijoe-

I have 1 Test Ethergels and the bottle recommends running doses of 25 mg to 50 mg three times a day. Is this because of the ether, or would you still recommend running 600 mg to 1000 mg a day. I am about 200 lbs right now.

Thanks
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: gijoe on June 22, 2004, 06:57:56 AM: Quote from: gunnz on June 22, 2004, 05:47:31 AM
gijoe-

I have 1 Test Ethergels and the bottle recommends running doses of 25 mg to 50 mg three times a day. Is this because of the ether, or would you still recommend running 600 mg to 1000 mg a day. I am about 200 lbs right now.

Thanks
Are they the ETHERgels or ESTERgels?
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: gunnz on June 22, 2004, 07:24:25 AM: 1 Testol Ethergels:

17betahydroxy-androst-1-ene-3-one THP Ethergels=25 mg

Made by CHEMI-SPORT LABORATORIES
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: gunnz on June 22, 2004, 07:49:13 AM: gijoe-
Let me ask you one more- I also have about a half a bottle of Muscletech Norteston and a half a bottle of Anotesten from about two or three years ago. Just looked at them and they are about to expire. I paid like $70 a bottle for them back then, and would hate to just throw them away. Would you think it would be ok to stack them in with my m4ohn and 1 test to use them up? Or would I be better off just throwing them away?
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: gijoe on June 22, 2004, 08:51:49 AM: Quote from: gunnz on June 22, 2004, 07:24:25 AM
1 Testol Ethergels:

17betahydroxy-androst-1-ene-3-one THP Ethergels=25 mg

Made by CHEMI-SPORT LABORATORIES

Stay around 600mg ED, split into 3 doses for this. I am not sure why they only put 25mg into each gelcap, so it is a lot of pills to pop. Next time go for the estergels bro.
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: gijoe on June 22, 2004, 08:53:24 AM: Quote from: gunnz on June 22, 2004, 07:49:13 AM
gijoe-
Let me ask you one more- I also have about a half a bottle of Muscletech Norteston and a half a bottle of Anotesten from about two or three years ago. Just looked at them and they are about to expire. I paid like $70 a bottle for them back then, and would hate to just throw them away. Would you think it would be ok to stack them in with my m4ohn and 1 test to use them up? Or would I be better off just throwing them away?

Go ahead and use the Nortesten (I have used it back in the day, and actually liked it), but i'd chuck the Anotesten (too much estrogen conversion and hair loss possibilities).
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: gunnz on June 22, 2004, 10:44:27 AM: Quote from: gijoe on June 22, 2004, 08:51:49 AM
Stay around 600mg ED, split into 3 doses for this. I am not sure why they only put 25mg into each gelcap, so it is a lot of pills to pop. Next time go for the estergels bro.

I guess this gives me another question: I only have enough for about two weeks then. I also have some 1-Test Undeconate from an old cycle left over. After the two weeks could I switch to the 1-Test Undec to finish my 6 week cycle?

Also, what is the difference or advantage between ethergels, estergels, and 1 test undeconate? Which is best?
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: gijoe on June 22, 2004, 11:25:46 AM: Quote from: gunnz on June 22, 2004, 10:44:27 AM
I guess this gives me another question: I only have enough for about two weeks then. I also have some 1-Test Undeconate from an old cycle left over. After the two weeks could I switch to the 1-Test Undec to finish my 6 week cycle?

Also, what is the difference or advantage between ethergels, estergels, and 1 test undeconate? Which is best?

They are just mixed in different esters. Some have quicker delivery, some slower. Some have better uptake than others. The estergels are **supposed** to upgrade bioavailability and limit first pass degredation better than the older esters. I know undeconate is not widely used, but beyond that, I think it would be desirable to stick with the same ester throughout, but not unconscionable to switch.
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: gunnz on June 23, 2004, 04:07:25 PM: gijoe-

The 1 test undec I have has the following supp facts:

serving size: 6 caps

amount per serving:

1 test undec=100 mg
Glucuronolactone=1000 mg
Betaine Anhydrous=2000 mg
Glycocyamine=500 mg

To get 600 mg of 1 test a day I would have to take 36 caps!! I bought this product 6-8 mos ago under the advice of my local supp guy. Just want to use it up, like the other 1 test, with my cycle right now.

I also looked online and the majority of 1 test supps don't recommend anywhere near 600 mg a day. Are they just protecting thier ass or why do they recommend such small doses?
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: gunnz on June 23, 2004, 04:11:19 PM: Forgot my other question: what are the other 3 ingredients for in the 1 test undec?
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: gijoe on June 24, 2004, 03:56:42 AM: They are more or less covering their asses. So much of the product is lost during first pass liver degredation, that is why the mg/ED are so high.

On the second note, the other ingredients are a type of creatine and its anciliaries, so if you are taking creatine, make sure you count this as a serving, and don't piss away your money.
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: drkaje on June 24, 2004, 08:24:38 AM: Just finishing the first week of the 4AD prep for the M1T, as well as the first week of HIT.
I never feel rested when beginning a workout. Is that the HIT or 4AD?
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: H4eafy on June 24, 2004, 10:17:28 AM: Ok, so if im out on a friday night and had a few alcoholic drinks is it ok to take A100 and T100 when i get home?

Even if im really drunk?

In a few months i will go on another cycle. But i only have 1-AD. What else do i need or can i just use the 1-AD. Is 4-AD a must or is it optional. Where can i get it?

Thanks
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: gunnz on June 25, 2004, 07:36:31 AM: gijoe-

Still trying to figure out my 1 test problem. Chowed through all the ether gels in 4 days. Taking 8 a pop they don't last long.

Heres the deal- I have to products left from a while ago- the 1 Test undec-6 caps=100mg, and a product called BPX

BPX=5a-Androstane-3B, 17B-diol: 50mg
1,4 androstadiene-3, 17-dione: 50mg
per cap. Recommended serving2 caps 3 times a day.

Is this a product similar to 1 Test or a precurser to 1 Test? Would you stack this with the m4ohn or the 1 Test undec? What dosage of each woulld you recommend.

Thanks for all the advice. If I had this website a year or two ago I would've researched more before I bought! You have saved me time, money, and health!

Much Appreciated!

Gunnz
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: stakeknife on June 30, 2004, 07:19:30 PM: Ok I know this is going to sound stupid but hear me out...

I just bought a 60cap bottle of Underground Labs M1T 5mg per cap. I am 25, 195pd, working out for almost three years now. Up to this point I have only supped with protein and creatine on and off (currently off).

My question is what would be the affect of taking m1t 10mg per day for 30 days. Only with milk thistle 2 weeks prior, during, and 2 weeks post.

I have thoroughly read your post and found it very informative, but am looking for alternatives due to budget. After gym membership, protein, and chicken,chicken,chicken, there is little $ left for supps.

I am not looking for massive gains (well actually I am, but not on a budget), but a little boost to break a few plateau's.

My only worry is body damage/side effects due to lack of PCT. Should I be more concerned about this, and if so what one other OTC supp should I purchase?

Thanks for any help and thanks for providing so many answers.
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: drkaje on July 01, 2004, 08:15:39 AM: I'd guess the answer would be to get the maximum results you'd have to take the supplement properly and use all the precautions mentioned above.

They probably didn't add PCT and all that other stuff just to occupy space.

It might be better to stock-up on the sups over time and then run the cycle when all the stuff is in place.

It'd probably hurt you less to skip the M1T until it can be done right than to do it wrong.

You're still working out and only 19, waiting a month or two won't kill ya'.

Also, the M1T (from what I've read) is pretty toxic and you need that extra stuff above and beyond the 6OXO.
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: stakeknife on July 01, 2004, 05:11:36 PM: OK, I have thought it through and will use proper cycle (as posted before)

wks 1&2: 4 ad & Milk thistle
wks 3&4: 4 ad, M1T, NAC, hawthorne berry
wks 5&6: 6oxo, & milk thistle

Will someone post a link to a reputable source of 4ad, NAC, and 6oxo

Thanks
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: phoenix2443 on July 07, 2004, 07:53:41 PM: can someone recommend a particular product of 4AD that is transdermal? I found one of bodybuilding.com but I'm not sure if its good or not since its not just 4AD.

I also need a good NAC please.
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: jbravo103 on July 08, 2004, 08:20:30 AM: gijoe,

I've been reading quite a bit about m1t cycles. It seems everybody does something a little different, but your post made the most sense to me. I'm 27 yrs old, 6' tall, and 165lbs. I have been weight lifting on and off for 9 years, but only seriously for the last year. I am a very hard gainer. Last year I started a diet of 2000 calories a day using good bodybuilding foods (supplementing w/ protein and creatine). I threw away all the soda, chips, and other crap from my diet. On the 2000 cal diet I started loosing weight so I bumped up to 2500 and cut cardio out of my training. Still didn't see any good gains but really became cut. Lots of muscle definition but no mass. I then bumped my calorie intake to 3000. Been doing that for about 2 months now and I'm still not gaining. My workouts in the gym are intense and I usually do one day on one day off.

I started researching M1T and thought that may be the answer to gaining some mass. I took your sample cycle and laid down following.

Week 1-2: 300mg 4-AD, 450mg Milk Thistle, 500mg NAC
Week 3-4: 500mg 4-AD, 5mg M1T, 3g Hawthorne berry
Week 5-6: 300mg 4-AD, 450mg Milk Thistle, 500mg NAC, 40mg Nolva (oral)

I was going to use 6-oxo for my PCT, but have read that it gives you really bad acne. Also see a lot of guys taking ZMA and Tribulus in addition to Nolva for PCT. What are your thoughts?

Thanks.
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: GoldsGymRules on July 09, 2004, 02:45:32 PM: http://www.allsportsnutrition.com/ (http://www.allsportsnutrition.com/) this place has 6 oxo real cheap ral good prices on Gaspari supps too.
these are also good site for supps at good prices
http://www.discountanabolics.com/ (http://www.discountanabolics.com/)
http://www.dpsnutrition.net/?fromdotcom=1&rc=dotcom (http://www.dpsnutrition.net/?fromdotcom=1&rc=dotcom)
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: snowhoss on July 11, 2004, 05:53:12 PM: www.discountanabolics.co m, everything you will ever need!!
www.muscleshoppe.com
Hope this helps
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: lilbigDawg on July 12, 2004, 10:28:26 AM: Ok. I finished the 4AD prep load and started the M1T last Friday. I have not really noticed any of the common side effects. However, i have noticed that I am staying sore longer. Usually after legs I am sore for a day or two but my legs are still really sore from Friday. Also, I have noticed that I am sweating more throughout the day.
Has anyone else noticed anything like this with M1T? Its not causing me any problems, I am just curious.
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: Aerian on July 14, 2004, 03:49:28 PM: Quote from: stakeknife on June 30, 2004, 07:19:30 PM
Ok I know this is going to sound stupid but hear me out...

I just bought a 60cap bottle of Underground Labs M1T 5mg per cap. I am 25, 195pd, working out for almost three years now. Up to this point I have only supped with protein and creatine on and off (currently off).

My question is what would be the affect of taking m1t 10mg per day for 30 days. Only with milk thistle 2 weeks prior, during, and 2 weeks post.

I have thoroughly read your post and found it very informative, but am looking for alternatives due to budget. After gym membership, protein, and chicken,chicken,chicken, there is little $ left for supps.

I am not looking for massive gains (well actually I am, but not on a budget), but a little boost to break a few plateau's.

My only worry is body damage/side effects due to lack of PCT. Should I be more concerned about this, and if so what one other OTC supp should I purchase?

Thanks for any help and thanks for providing so many answers.

You wouldnt be able to stay on for 30 days. Eventually your kidneys woudl hurt an awful lot and you would puke up all your food.
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: Duby on July 14, 2004, 05:38:11 PM: Can you do these 10 week cycles indefinitely and if (or when) M1T is banned, will possesion be illegal or can we legally keep what we already have? Thinking about stocking up. One other thing. Is the 4AD necessary?
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: Sean Illing on July 14, 2004, 06:57:48 PM: I would first like to say this forum has been extremely beneficial and informative...

Stats: 22 yrs old, 5'10, 170 lbs, 8% BF, ectomorph build

Been working out 3 years or so relatively steady but gotten a bit serious as of late since I feel I have sort of reached a plateau.... Just got my bottle of M1T (underground labs) and a a couplte of bottles of milk thistle.... Along w/ the 2 wks of milk thistle following my M1T cycle... what supp. can I take to stimulate testosterone prod. during my PCT?
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: DMG on July 14, 2004, 07:20:59 PM: You should use 6-OXO by Ergopharm for PCT. There's a link for you.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/ergo/6oxo.html
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: Jokester on July 15, 2004, 11:19:02 AM: I thought M1-T doesn't aromatize so what's the need for 6-oxo?
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: gunnz on July 15, 2004, 03:14:49 PM: Quote from: Jokester on July 15, 2004, 11:19:02 AM
I thought M1-T doesn't aromatize so what's the need for 6-oxo?

Just to be safe and get your natural test production going.
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: DieselBOI on July 15, 2004, 04:13:01 PM: Ive done it in three cycles now. first was two weeks, 10mg. second was three weeks, same dose. third cycle was for 4 weeks, 20mg.

Lethargy, acne, irritability.
other than that no major problems. However, I religiously follow the PCT before and after. I also add Liver X and green tea and also Flax seed oil.

M1T has worked great for me! ;D
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: Aerian on July 15, 2004, 11:16:35 PM: 4 WEEKS AT 20 Mgs. :o

Dayummmm
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: stakeknife on July 26, 2004, 01:23:24 PM: Quote from: Aerian on July 15, 2004, 11:16:35 PM
4 WEEKS AT 20 Mgs. :o

Dayummmm

Which brand, what kind of results?
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: gijoe on July 27, 2004, 07:52:41 AM: Sorry guys and gals, I've been out for a while and haven't been able to get to the boards. If there are any unanswered questions still lingering, repost them and I will try to answer them.

It's good to be back!
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: gunnz on July 27, 2004, 08:53:13 AM: Quote from: gijoe on July 27, 2004, 07:52:41 AM
Sorry guys and gals, I've been out for a while and haven't been able to get to the boards. If there are any unanswered questions still lingering, repost them and I will try to answer them.

It's good to be back!

Good to have you back!! I will bump a question I asked earlier that is right up your field on PH's and libido that I never got any good answers on. Hope you can help!
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: phoenix2443 on August 01, 2004, 11:28:22 PM: can someone recommend a particular product of 4AD that is transdermal? I found one of bodybuilding.com but I'm not sure if its good or not since its not just 4AD.
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: gijoe on August 02, 2004, 04:00:37 AM: Dermabolics 4ADerm (www.1fast400.com)
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: Shady on August 02, 2004, 10:20:35 AM: Hey glad to see you back to man!! Question for you. I have a friend on the stack you emailed me and he is loving the M1T but said he did not get much out of the 4AD. SO my ? is: Is it nessasary to use the 4AD? I am looking to order all of my stuff today so was wondering if I would be wasting my money or not thanks man

NEVER MIND found the other thread that covered it :-[
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: gijoe on August 02, 2004, 10:33:37 AM: Good to hear from you again Shady! Email me with any questions bro. How's the PCS going?
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: Jokester on August 02, 2004, 11:18:46 AM: Hey Joe.... I'm experiencing sever muscle cramps and headaches. Any suggestions on combating this symptoms? I'm apprehensive to take ANY meds for fear of straining my liver even further. I would like to at least stretch my cycle another week or so before I stop being that I'm experiencing great gains thus far......

By the way.... your info & suggestions are great and much appreciated!
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: gijoe on August 02, 2004, 11:20:39 AM: The muscle cramps are an unfortunate side of M1T. The headaches may be blood pressure related. I highly suggest you have it checked bro. Let us know how it turns out.
Title: M1T FAQ
Post by: 1159 on August 06, 2004, 11:23:34 AM: The M1T FAQ is awesome - thanks guys.

I'm sold on giving it a try. Just looking for a few summed up suggestions.

32 - 5'8 - 155lbs. 8 years of BB - One cycle of test in history.

Just wondering what the best brands, good doseage and overall consensus of best cycle time - 2 on 2 off or 4/4?

Also I see some package deals so what are the thoughts on the best quality for the best price out there?

Right now I'm thinking the anabolic-research.com set of the Test gel and AD, Tamox and M1T.
But I'm open to suggestions.

Thanks!
F
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: gijoe on August 06, 2004, 12:14:01 PM: That combo would be fine. I'd do the 4 on/4 off.
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: gunnz on August 06, 2004, 04:43:07 PM: You can get alot of good deals on M1T. Some websites sell it for less than $10 for a bottle of 60 5 mg tabs. As far as quality of those, make sure you are getting it from a reputable website like www.1fast400.com.

On the more expensive side is Legal Gear, but thier quality is top notch-110% legit, and they even add NAC for liver protection in their tabs.
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: 1159 on August 09, 2004, 12:25:24 AM: Wow - Looking around you see stuff from 10-15 dollars for 60 5mg to 40 and 50 bucks.

Any difference?

THe Underground labs stuff any good?
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: gunnz on August 09, 2004, 05:52:12 AM: Some of the more expensive stuff might have other compounds in it. Also, make sure you are looking at M1T vs. 1 T. Regular 1 T is much more expensive, due to many more mg of 1 T to make it effective vs. 5 mg in M1T.

As for really cheap M1T, I have tried Advanced Methyl Technologies M1T. AMT's is only $9.00 for a bottle of 60 5 mg tabs, and it worked great.
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: FTRHULK on August 17, 2004, 10:26:04 AM: Just wondering if any one has had this problem couple months back I picked up a bottle of M1T legal gears kind from bodybuilding.com I wanted to get every thing correct before starting But nw the pills have one hell of a bad smell to them and a couple have some small brownish tan dots forming on them should i dup em and pick up a new bottle or should i run with these they have not touched anything or been exposed to anyhing
Thanx
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: GoldsGymRules on August 17, 2004, 11:57:40 AM: Gijoe,
WHat are your thoughts on German American Technologies Wini Depot. http://www.discountanabolics.com/page/DA/PROD/M1T/GA02
It has 5-Androdiol in it as well as some other stuff. They recomend 4 weeks on 2 weeks off at 20mg/day for two bottles. Any feedback would be apreciated.
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: gijoe on August 18, 2004, 06:38:32 AM: Quote from: GoldsGymRules on August 17, 2004, 11:57:40 AM
Gijoe,
WHat are your thoughts on German American Technologies Wini Depot. http://www.discountanabolics.com/page/DA/PROD/M1T/GA02
It has 5-Androdiol in it as well as some other stuff. They recomend 4 weeks on 2 weeks off at 20mg/day for two bottles. Any feedback would be apreciated.
That would be a good compound. 5AD in there helps to reduce cortisol and is a good "enhancer", but you may not feel the relief from some sides like you would with 4AD.
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: GoldsGymRules on August 18, 2004, 10:32:21 AM: Quote
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Quote from: GoldsGymRules on August 17, 2004, 02:57:40 PM
Gijoe,
WHat are your thoughts on German American Technologies Wini Depot. http://www.discountanabolics.com/page/DA/PROD/M1T/GA02
It has 5-Androdiol in it as well as some other stuff. They recomend 4 weeks on 2 weeks off at 20mg/day for two bottles. Any feedback would be apreciated.

That would be a good compound. 5AD in there helps to reduce cortisol and is a good "enhancer", but you may not feel the relief from some sides like you would with 4AD.

What about using 4AD or Boldione with it?
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: gijoe on August 18, 2004, 08:56:44 PM: 4AD is fine, just remember to fronload for 2 weeks prior to incorporating in the M1T
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: GoldsGymRules on August 19, 2004, 07:58:37 AM: Thanks for the feedback. That's my plan to do after I try out the Methyl-D from Gaspari, just started today.
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: gunnz on August 19, 2004, 10:27:38 AM: Quote from: GoldsGymRules on August 19, 2004, 07:58:37 AM
Thanks for the feedback. That's my plan to do after I try out the Methyl-D from Gaspari, just started today.
keep us posted on the results from the Methyl D!
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: GoldsGymRules on August 19, 2004, 12:19:33 PM: Quote
keep us posted on the results from the Methyl D!
Will do!
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: 1159 on August 19, 2004, 02:31:31 PM: Hey guys -

After some OCD shopping on many many different sites (all listed here BB.com, discountanabolics, etc....)
I can't seem to find the right site.
I like the 4derm at 1fast400 but would rather not go with UG labs M1T.

I've got 6OXO so that's all I need.

Plus I wanna stack 10lbs of Op 100% Whey on my order........

Anyone suggest other sites before I split my orders?
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: The Jackel on August 19, 2004, 02:42:39 PM: I like http://www.dpsnutrition.net/ The have really good prices too.
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: spartan on August 22, 2004, 02:11:52 PM: OK, here's the deal...ive read what i need to do pre and post cycle for M1T...but ive never done any kind of prohormone cycles and am prone to gyno and hairloss (yeh, i know, lucky me)..i take proscar for my hairloss and had surgery to correct gyno (both hairloss and gyno came from nothing else but natural curses i was born with)

NOW, here are my questions:

1. should i even start a M1T cycle since im prone to both hairloss and gyno?

2. and if i can what should i take to halt hairloss?

3. or is there a better cycle out than M1T for somone like me who is prone to hariloss and gyno?

THANKS for your help in advance :)

spartaN ;D
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: gijoe on August 23, 2004, 04:35:43 AM: If it worries you, don't use PH/PS. They will speed up MPB and definately give you gyno trouble. Steer clear.
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: 1159 on August 23, 2004, 01:40:23 PM: Hey what about the 4-AD powders ----s it ok to use the powder just mixed with liquid? Or is it absolutely necessary to use the transderm....
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: weezy on August 24, 2004, 06:31:51 PM: why shouldn't anyone under 18 take m1t??
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: drkaje on August 25, 2004, 11:31:33 AM: Thanks for all the M1T Info.
Funny, I am about to start again but have had a real noticible increase in strength while off. Probably has a lot to do with the PCT.
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: Repent_Sinner on August 27, 2004, 10:21:22 AM: Hello, i just want to say this is the best message board i have found regarding this topic! Keep it up!

Question for GIJOE or anyone educated on this topic

Here is the stats;

29, 6'0, 200lbs very muscular and a true ectomorph

I have used Ando, Norandro in the past but mostly Creatine\Glutamine\Taurine stacks

I have been training for almost 10 years and have gone from 155lbs to 200 in that time naturally

I have purchased Underground Labs M1T and would like some feed back on my proposed cycle and PCT.

My first question is do i need to take 4-AD throught my M1T cycle or just the 2 wees leading up?

Week 1 and 2 - 4-AD, Milk Thistle 500mg/day, NAC
Week 3 - M1T 10mg/day, Hawthorne Berry 3mg/day
Week 4 - M1T 15mg/day, Hawthorne Berry 3mg/day
Week 5 - Milk Thistle 500mg/day, NAC
Week 6 - Milk Thistle 500mg/day, NAC

Does this look correct? Please advise, as i have limited funds and have a hard time justifying spending tons of cash on suppplements as i have kids i would rather spend my cash on. :)

Thanks
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: gijoe on August 27, 2004, 08:34:34 PM: Repent,

I don't see any PCT at the end. AT LEAST use 6OXO if you cannot get Nolva. You want to keep the gains you make, and you want to get the test levels back to normal.
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: drkaje on August 30, 2004, 06:28:28 AM: Can the transdermal 4AD cause nipple soreness?
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: gunnz on August 30, 2004, 06:40:25 AM: Quote from: drkaje on August 30, 2004, 06:28:28 AM
Can the transdermal 4AD cause nipple soreness?

Never did for me. Where are you applying it? I spray it into my hands and rub it on the inside of my upper arms.
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: drkaje on August 30, 2004, 06:52:37 AM: upper chest. About to start another M1T cycle but need more 6OXO.

Haven't used M1T in weeks so I thought it was probably related to the 4AD.
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: gunnz on August 30, 2004, 06:55:08 AM: Try putting it on the under side of your upper arms. The skin is very thin, giving you great absorption.
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: drkaje on August 30, 2004, 07:14:08 AM: Thought it might be causing Gyno. Nipples feel and look a little 'puffy' on the lateral area, almost swolen.

Never had this type of reaction in the past. I'll skip it for a spell and use the 6OXO.
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: marcv68 on August 31, 2004, 11:35:15 PM: m1t is the shit good info on the pct,s.6 oxo works very well too.
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: marcv68 on August 31, 2004, 11:36:57 PM: muscle shoppe has awesome prices on everything.Beats bb.com
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: matthew_harwood on September 04, 2004, 01:01:13 PM: Hi I'm in the third week of my 4 weeks M1T cycle thought I would let you all know how I've been doing. The Product I've been using is Higher Power M1T + it has Milkthistle, hawthorneberry, licorice root in it as well I've also been using extra Milkthistle

I've cycled it the following way

week 1 5mg
week 2 10mg
week 3 15mg
week 4 3 days on 10mg 4days on 5mg.

then the following 4 weeks on my off cycle I'm going to be on 6oxo, with Tribulus Terrestris for Testosterone support.
Well must say I'm very impressed I've put on 1 and a half stone, I'm pretty much still very lean so I'm hoping I don't loose much but I'm gonna be eating even more food and training even harder.
My only questions are can anybody tell me the best Tribulus product, and give me any other advice
thanks in advance
regards
mattyh
P.s. gonna try to do a before and after photo so I can see if there is a differance As I've gone from 9.5stone to 11.5 stone.
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: gunnz on September 04, 2004, 04:11:54 PM: Matthew-

Thanks for the update. Sounds like some nice gains, but how many pounds is 1 stone?

As far as Trib products, I always just go with a cheap one from www.1fast400.com. Im sure www.bodybuilding.com also has some good prices. Just about anything you get from either site will be good-just make sure it has atleast 750 mg per serving.
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: matthew_harwood on September 05, 2004, 02:39:36 AM: I think 1 stone = 14 pounds so I've gained about 28 Lb with still a week to go and no side effects at all.
To tell you the truth I'd rather make slow gains over a longer period than fast gains over a shorter period but with side effects, I want to get big but whats the point in being big if you cant show off the body you have built cos your dead or too ill to train. Thats something i've never been able to understand why do people jump in with two feet and not think about longterm effect unitl it hits them, there choice I guess.
regards
mat
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: Shady on September 08, 2004, 06:13:13 AM: did any one have lower back pain?? I am on my last week and my lower back has been killing me for almost a week now.
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: SupplementGuy on September 08, 2004, 03:37:43 PM: that's your kidneys... drink more water, take cranberry, drink more water, consider stopping your cycle, drink more water.
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: matthew_harwood on September 09, 2004, 05:17:35 AM: Can't say I've had any problems at all, I think the way I progressivlly added the extra Testosterone may have helped as my kidneys would have been able to keep up, The main problem I think is most people jump in with 2 feet and do the full amount from the start the problem with this is that the kidney is always playing catch up and isn't able to get used to the extra load, But then I was also drinking loads of water/cranberry and useing extra milk thistle as well. The product i was using also has loads of added stuff it was m1t +
regards
mat
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: ERK on September 10, 2004, 10:16:31 AM: I finished a 3 week cycle on Underground Labs M1t:
Week 1=5mg
week 2&3=10mg
One in morning, one at night (with food)

Results: my bench went up 10lbs
my weight went up 20 (and i have gained 2lbs off cycle)
muscles look great

Sides: First couple days headaches mild, acne on my arms and face (cleared up after cycle, or you can take b-5), Mild lethargy, libido increase? or so it seemed.

PCT: 40mg Nolva ed, then down to 20mg ed week 2 and 3. Milk Thistle, ZMA, Flax, Tribulus, B5 and multi vitimin.

I ate about 3500 calories on cycle and 4000 of cycle.

Cant wait for next cycle
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: little guy on September 17, 2004, 12:26:14 PM: Okay, It seems I jumped into the water before testing the temperature. I started taking M1t 2 days ago, and it's my first PH/PS. First off, should I feel something different than I normally do, because I dont. Next, I am taking 4-AD to combat side effects, and then I was gonna take 6oxo after cycle to restore my normal test ranges. I would like to make significant gains fast, but without killing myself. Should I abort cycle and follow yours explicitly, or continue with my plan. Also, I was going to go for 3 weeks/3 weeks off. But I don't want my test levels to be lower than they are naturally. I'm 20 years old and have a problem with gaining weight. 6' just to give you personal info. Thanks for all your help, very informative post.

Also what is testicular assfixiation? Am I running the risk of never being able to get a boner again!!
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: chiqo on September 18, 2004, 02:41:49 PM: Just wondering if any of y'all have tried VPX monster test m-1t brand?

http://www.n101.com/cgi-bin/n101.storefront/414ca7be00ec44c0271dc0a8010c068b/Product/View/610764391209?list=yes&js=enabled
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: Rimbaud on September 21, 2004, 09:20:17 PM: has anyone ever used Lion Nutrition M1T? Just curious...
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: darthhomer on September 23, 2004, 05:12:01 PM: Hi my question is about when to take the suppliments durring the week. From all the info I have scene posted here It looks as one shoulde be supplimenting 7 days a week. Is this correct? Or is it just monday thru friday?
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: gunnz on September 23, 2004, 06:04:08 PM: Quote from: darthhomer on September 23, 2004, 05:12:01 PM
Hi my question is about when to take the suppliments durring the week. From all the info I have scene posted here It looks as one shoulde be supplimenting 7 days a week. Is this correct? Or is it just monday thru friday?
7 days a week!!
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: SupplementGuy on September 23, 2004, 09:10:38 PM: that depends on which supplement you're talking about as well though... but yes, most are everyday as they're maintenance products. ::)
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: dirty_martini on October 06, 2004, 05:53:19 AM: my questions are more based on the extras you have to take with M1T

milk thistle/NAC...is it best to take each separately or get a blend?? ive seen both products and am curious as to which would be better for me
for ex. MRM Liver X - 400mg NAC/100mg milk thistle extract

for PCT...would stacking something like chrysin with the 6-OXO be of any benefit at all since chrysin is supposed to minimze conversion??
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: gunnz on October 06, 2004, 06:50:05 AM: Quote from: dirty_martini on October 06, 2004, 05:53:19 AM
my questions are more based on the extras you have to take with M1T

milk thistle/NAC...is it best to take each separately or get a blend?? ive seen both products and am curious as to which would be better for me
for ex. MRM Liver X - 400mg NAC/100mg milk thistle extract

for PCT...would stacking something like chrysin with the 6-OXO be of any benefit at all since chrysin is supposed to minimze conversion??

Go with whatever is cheaper for Milk Thistle/NAC, IMO.

As for chrysin????
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: dirty_martini on October 06, 2004, 08:57:46 PM: this is quoted from bb.com

Our bodies naturally convert some amounts of testosterone into estrogen (aromatization), a process which accelerates as testosterone levels go up. Chrysin works by minimizing this conversion! Chrysin is the "anti-aromatization" if you will.

i used it back in the day when andro was the pro-hormone of choice...dont know if it worked being that i dont really know if the andro worked either...curious if anyone knows
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: Eat2Grow on October 07, 2004, 12:40:54 PM: I just bought sci-fit m1t.

Each pill has 20mg m1t and 100 mg norf and 500 milkthistle.

Is 20 mg too much for a first cycle,,5'11 185.

I don't want to overdue it and kill the kidneys..
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: gunnz on October 08, 2004, 01:05:56 PM: Quote from: Eat2Grow on October 07, 2004, 12:40:54 PM
I just bought sci-fit m1t.

Each pill has 20mg m1t and 100 mg norf and 500 milkthistle.

Is 20 mg too much for a first cycle,,5'11 185.

I don't want to overdue it and kill the kidneys..

A good rule of thumb is 20 mg a day if your over 200 lbs, 10 to 15 mg a day if under 200 lbs.
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: Eat2Grow on October 08, 2004, 01:49:02 PM: I am on my 2nd day of 20MG..and I have too much energy...like ephedra type shakes when lifting,,,,,

but other than the energy spike, no other sides yet.

BTW,,,I do sleep much better the last 2 night though...solid sleep.
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: gunnz on October 08, 2004, 05:29:02 PM: Quote from: Eat2Grow on October 08, 2004, 01:49:02 PM
I am on my 2nd day of 20MG..and I have too much energy...like ephedra type shakes when lifting,,,,,

but other than the energy spike, no other sides yet.

BTW,,,I do sleep much better the last 2 night though...solid sleep.

If you start experiencing lower back pains with some different lifts, you know it is getting to your kidneys. I am about 220 lbs and I take 20 mg a day and after about 5 days deadlifts, bent barbell rows, ect. are hell because of the tightness in my lower back.
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: Eat2Grow on October 10, 2004, 01:10:14 PM: Today is day 4,,,just did back....feel alright.

A little pain now and then in lower left back,,,kidney area...

Drink more water righht?
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: gunnz on October 10, 2004, 03:30:13 PM: Quote from: Eat2Grow on October 10, 2004, 01:10:14 PM
Today is day 4,,,just did back....feel alright.

A little pain now and then in lower left back,,,kidney area...

Drink more water righht?

Right, but I still have lower back pain, especially on back day and leg day when I am on M1T. I just suck it up and deal with it, and sometimes modify my workouts a little.
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: Eat2Grow on October 10, 2004, 05:47:02 PM: So. Even though the kidneys hurt,,,it's not doing toooo much damage?

do you do 2 or 4 week cycles?

I have 6oxo, milk thistle...m1t...suggest anything else I am missing?
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: gunnz on October 11, 2004, 05:34:12 AM: Quote from: Eat2Grow on October 10, 2004, 05:47:02 PM
So. Even though the kidneys hurt,,,it's not doing toooo much damage?

do you do 2 or 4 week cycles?

I have 6oxo, milk thistle...m1t...suggest anything else I am missing?

As far as too much damage, I don't know for sure, but as soon as I stop my cycle the pain goes away in like 3 days.

I have been doing a new 4 week cycle as follows: 2 weeks 4 ad, 2 weeks 4 ad and M1T, 4 weeks off. I am in day 10 of off cycle.

If kidney damage is a concern, you may want to add 500 mg of NAC along with the milk thistle.
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: Eat2Grow on October 11, 2004, 09:17:39 AM: I was told 4ad is illegal here..San Diego. So I can't get that. I went strait m1t andmilkthistle. Today is day 5, and my kidneys are starting to be sore,,regulary,,not on and off anymore.

but hey,,only 9 more days left...Funny thing is, my weight is about the same,,but my size is bigger,,,and I am getting noticebly leaner....

completely opposite from what I have been hearing to be results.

your thoughts?
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: gunnz on October 11, 2004, 10:23:27 AM: Quote from: Eat2Grow on October 11, 2004, 09:17:39 AM
I was told 4ad is illegal here..San Diego. So I can't get that. I went strait m1t andmilkthistle. Today is day 5, and my kidneys are starting to be sore,,regulary,,not on and off anymore.

but hey,,only 9 more days left...Funny thing is, my weight is about the same,,but my size is bigger,,,and I am getting noticebly leaner....

completely opposite from what I have been hearing to be results.

your thoughts?

My kidneys/lower back is sore when I work back or legs, and also when I do cardio. When I am not working out I barely notice it.

I am not smart as to California Laws on PH. I just recieved some about a month ago, and am going to order some more this week, so I know it is still available for most of us.

I have never taken M1T by itself. I always have stacked it with 4ad. I gain alot of weight during the cycle, alot of it water from the 4ad, which comes off pretty fast when I stop.
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: Eat2Grow on October 11, 2004, 03:01:10 PM: Well, I am on strait m1t and nord19. and 1test. It's an all in one pill.

No water weight, or definition loss. Only day five, so no sig. strength gains.

One thing for sure,,I am sore after every workout,,wich is not normal,,at least not this sore.

My kidneys seem to get sore when I drink cafeine drinks,,like redbull,,,or after a protein shake....

Other than that,,,racingheart on and off and that's all.

I'll update you in a week,,,,if I don't pull a flex.
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: matty77 on October 11, 2004, 03:19:35 PM: how are higher power m1t supps? i saw one on bodybuilding.com that contains the hawthorne berry, milk thistle in with the m1t. would this be any good? i included the link
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/hp/mplus.html
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: gunnz on October 12, 2004, 07:10:18 AM: Quote from: matty77 on October 11, 2004, 03:19:35 PM
how are higher power m1t supps? i saw one on bodybuilding.com that contains the hawthorne berry, milk thistle in with the m1t. would this be any good? i included the link
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/hp/mplus.html

Higher Power is the bb.com house brand. Never tried them myself, but they have a good reputation.
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: you on October 12, 2004, 09:48:41 AM: M1t,,,does this happen to you. I get hard as hell,, but it takes forever to cum. it's like it's delayed. Even when I am ready,,it doesn't go,,,

is that normal? Is it a result of the atrophy?
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: conan the librarian on October 12, 2004, 05:05:45 PM: Iv got some m1t on the way from bb.com, gonna run around 10mg a day for three weeks, followed by a pct of nolvadex.
Im around 180lbs at the mo, was 210 bt have dieted down, am around 8% bf now.
Anyway, on some boards people are claiming harsher sides than anadrol, are these claims justified, or are people over-reacting a bit. :-\
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: used to it? on October 13, 2004, 02:36:21 AM: just to post from the other side of the spectrum, i have been takin m1t for about 3-4 weeks, 20mg a day on training days, 10 off, absolutely no soreness. i also fight and have not felt any sluggishness. my nipples dont hurt, but i think thats genetics, i mean i once took 1200mg of t200 in a week w/ no anti-aromatizing agents, no gyno.as for gains i have been on super low carbs for about 2 weeks, under 50 easily, and have gained about 4 pnds, up to 224, gotten a little stronger too.
as for this new bill that supposedly passed..should we stock up on thhis stuff now before its too late?
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: gunnz on October 13, 2004, 05:33:50 AM: Quote from: used to it? on October 13, 2004, 02:36:21 AM
just to post from the other side of the spectrum, i have been takin m1t for about 3-4 weeks, 20mg a day on training days, 10 off, absolutely no soreness. i also fight and have not felt any sluggishness. my nipples dont hurt, but i think thats genetics, i mean i once took 1200mg of t200 in a week w/ no anti-aromatizing agents, no gyno.as for gains i have been on super low carbs for about 2 weeks, under 50 easily, and have gained about 4 pnds, up to 224, gotten a little stronger too.
as for this new bill that supposedly passed..should we stock up on thhis stuff now before its too late?

As for the new bill, yes, you should stock up. All PH's will be gone in about 90 days if the timeline is the same as it was for ephedra.
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: still used to it on October 13, 2004, 02:01:57 PM: what else do you think will be taken off the market, you know, besides the good stuff, i.e. 1ad, m1t, anything we arent thinking of?
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: gunnz on October 13, 2004, 06:18:53 PM: Quote from: still used to it on October 13, 2004, 02:01:57 PM
what else do you think will be taken off the market, you know, besides the good stuff, i.e. 1ad, m1t, anything we arent thinking of?

All PH's and I heard melatonin because it is a hormone. The only thing that I heard wll be left is DHEA.
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: GORE on October 13, 2004, 10:06:35 PM: what do you think will really happen, i mean when chemical ephedrine was supposedly banned, there were stores selling it under the pretense that if the store still had stock they could sell it, they just couldnt restock it, if so what do you think will happen if they cant still sell off backstock, a supersale? or do you think they'll rename it and sell it on the low'
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: gunnz on October 14, 2004, 05:00:48 AM: Quote from: GORE on October 13, 2004, 10:06:35 PM
what do you think will really happen, i mean when chemical ephedrine was supposedly banned, there were stores selling it under the pretense that if the store still had stock they could sell it, they just couldnt restock it, if so what do you think will happen if they cant still sell off backstock, a supersale? or do you think they'll rename it and sell it on the low'

I doubt many stores will do that, but they will probably have 90 days after Bush signs the law, kind of like ephedrine, to sell out of thier stock. The law was passed by Congress and the Senate last week, and now Bush just has to sign it, which is inevitable. That is what a friend of mine who owns a local supp store has told me. If the timeline was like ephedra, we have about 3 months left to get it.
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: GORE on October 14, 2004, 05:05:04 AM: i dont know about you guys, but when i lived in ca i couldnt buy chemical ephedrine, now i live in tennessee and can buy it at any conv. store or gas station.
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: GORE on October 15, 2004, 05:59:46 PM: this thread is dying a slow death :'(, but for those who still follow i added another 2lbs., up to 226, all the while on low carbs(under 50),low cals., lots of cardio, and still training for a fight,which is just another 2-3 hours of cardio, although its kinda anaerobic, .... i am impressed.
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: dirty_martini on October 15, 2004, 09:19:48 PM: i noticed that in the first post it says to take 600mg (split into 2 servings) of 6-oxo a day for PCT. based on that it would be 1 pill for each serving...being that its 300mg a pill.

serving suggestion is 3-6 pills a day...meaning 900-1800mg a day according to the label.

which should i follow?? also, is 6-oxo only for PCT or do you take it the entire time with the cycle??
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: gunnz on October 16, 2004, 05:58:06 AM: Quote from: dirty_martini on October 15, 2004, 09:19:48 PM
i noticed that in the first post it says to take 600mg (split into 2 servings) of 6-oxo a day for PCT. based on that it would be 1 pill for each serving...being that its 300mg a pill.

serving suggestion is 3-6 pills a day...meaning 900-1800mg a day according to the label.

which should i follow?? also, is 6-oxo only for PCT or do you take it the entire time with the cycle??

6-oxo is 300 mg per serving, and a serving = 3 pills. So 3 pills=300mg.

6-oxo is pretty expensive, and most people only use it for pct.
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: dirty_martini on October 16, 2004, 01:14:41 PM: Quote from: gunnz on October 16, 2004, 05:58:06 AM

6-oxo is 300 mg per serving, and a serving = 3 pills. So 3 pills=300mg.

6-oxo is pretty expensive, and most people only use it for pct.

my bad...i read it wrong...thanks
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: gunnz on October 16, 2004, 01:29:43 PM: Quote from: dirty_martini on October 16, 2004, 01:14:41 PM

my bad...i read it wrong...thanks

Not a problem!!
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: Brolly on October 16, 2004, 09:38:54 PM: I've done a 20mgs per/day {40-day} Methyl-1-Test cycle (I live in Canada by the way) and I'm on my PCT* of 40 days.

* 6 pills of 6-oxo per/day
* 3g of tribulus per/day
* 2g of Milk thistle per/day
* 2g of NAC per/day
* ZMA (as Label says)

For sex-drive: ask my girl, she can't wait for my next cycle.
For weight: 170lbs (before) - 180lbs (after) = 10 lbs (muscle)
For strength: by [%] went up 30% in everything pretty much!
For size: Very notice-able. (Lied 2 ppl: told them I was on Creatine)

Conculsion: M1T is a very good steriod if used right. Plus the girls will love you for it, as long as you know how to use it
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: Eat2Grow on October 18, 2004, 12:51:16 PM: Maybe I am just a freak,,but

I am almost done with a 2week cycle.

Lost one Lb. But leaned up A LOT.

More Muscle mass in shoulders, none too noticbly anywhere else.

Strengt has gone up A LOT as well...almost 25 lbs in bench for a full set of 10. 5lbs per arm on curls for a full set. 10lbs per arm on a set of 5.

It was more of a strength thing for me.,,I didn't gain any weight or size....but I only took m1t by itself as well....
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: GORE on October 18, 2004, 03:00:34 PM: 4 weeks=+6lbs,, low carbs, low cals, gettin leaner everyday, only m1t, not even a protein shake
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: Eat2Grow on October 19, 2004, 04:25:47 PM: I ate like crazy,,and protein shakes....how are you gaining 6lbs with no protein..... sounds a little suspect to me....
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: geo_III on October 19, 2004, 09:36:43 PM: Quote from: Eat2Grow on October 19, 2004, 04:25:47 PM
6lbs with no protein.....

jesus christ you're an idiot
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: GORE on October 20, 2004, 01:10:19 AM: Quote from: Geo III on October 19, 2004, 09:36:43 PM

jesus christ you're an idiot
me or eat2grow? i hope you could see that i am eating protein, if i was eating low carb and no protein, what the hell would i be eating, lol. i was just saying that i am not supplementing my protein intake with a shake.
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: dirty_martini on October 29, 2004, 03:50:32 PM: are there any supplements you should avoid while on m1t???

for example, if m1t boosts your blood pressure should you avoid ephedrine??
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: eire 32 on November 02, 2004, 01:29:57 AM: Hey, im a week into my m1t cycle, haven't felt any sides yet, but i also haven't seen any gains! Im taking higher power's M1t @ 10mgs a day. My diet and training regiemes are sound. Im 190lbs 5'10 , quite lean aroound 9% . Would it be recommendable to bump it up to 15mgs a day, or am i being impatient?
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: Brolly on November 02, 2004, 08:18:33 PM: Quote from: eire 32 on November 02, 2004, 01:29:57 AM
Hey, im a week into my m1t cycle, haven't felt any sides yet, but i also haven't seen any gains! Im taking higher power's M1t @ 10mgs a day. My diet and training regiemes are sound. Im 190lbs 5'10 , quite lean aroound 9% . Would it be recommendable to bump it up to 15mgs a day, or am i being impatient?

I started off with 10mgs a day for 10 days, then picked it up to 20 mgs per day for the rest of my 40 day cycle. I started taking 6-oxo(3pill/day) 20 days in. But to answer your question, I saw strength gains with in the 3rd day. So for you to say you haven't seen anything makes me to believe that you need more m1t.

Plus: what else are you taking while on this cycle and for how long?
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: eire 32 on November 03, 2004, 03:17:34 AM: Im taking the m1t by itself, im gonna run it for 3 weeks. Have nolvadex for pct which i will also run for three weeks 40/20/20. I took an extra pill of m1t yesterday, so hopefully i will start noticing a difference now. Im training my legs tonight, i got 150kg (300lbs?)for 8 reps squatting on the smith machine last week, it will be interesting to see what i get tonight.
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: eire 32 on November 03, 2004, 03:21:40 AM: Oh, and i checked my blood pressure yesterday, it was normal 124 systolic and 68 diastolic. Have access to one in work. Im also going to take milk thistle post cycle by the way.
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: nottaclue on November 03, 2004, 09:14:40 AM: I noticed it says natural testosterone halts under side effects while on the m1t... I am all about puttin on the gains, and I got 6oxo for my post cycle, but how much of a side effect does m1t have on your natural testosterone production once youre off, or I am gunna be shootin blanks...
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: eire 32 on November 04, 2004, 03:11:20 AM: Trained my legs last night, noticed an increase in strength, about 10lbs an exercise. Im also up a few pounds in bodyweight, i still haven't noticed any sides and im 9 days in. I look a lot fuller in the mirror. Im not getting the dramatic results that many people have reported, but im happy enough.
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: eire 32 on November 04, 2004, 03:25:06 PM: Trained my shoulders this evening, and wow!! Big difference in strength from last week. I still feel no sides and my weight is begining to creep up. Oh and a mate of mine started a cycle of gear the other day, he took his first shot in his delt on tuesday and hasn't been able to move his arm since, fucked up or what? He went to the doc today, ill let you guys know what the diagnosis is, probably hit a nerve or something.
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: Brolly on November 05, 2004, 08:58:43 PM: Quote from: nottaclue on November 03, 2004, 09:14:40 AM
I noticed it says natural testosterone halts under side effects while on the m1t... I am all about puttin on the gains, and I got 6oxo for my post cycle, but how much of a side effect does m1t have on your natural testosterone production once youre off, or I am gunna be shootin blanks...

Dude it is too early to tell, but if this is just like 1-test esther, then your natural test if fine with 6-oxo at 6 pills per day. take ZMA & Tribus as well. I'm pCt is going great after 40 days on M1T, My girl doesnt even notice a differnce in sex perform from the m1T and now. That is a GREAT Thing, she says, it still feel as im still on m1t. Nice uh? ;D
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: eire 32 on November 07, 2004, 11:37:45 AM: Hey , this is the 12th day of my cycle, im up 7lbs since i started, i have absolutely no lethargy, my appetite is normal, as is my sex drive. However, i took my blood pressure today and it is up a bit, 138 74, it was something like 124 64. I was supposed to train my chest today, but i got held up at work, psyched up for it tomorrow though ;D
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: Bigger Business on November 07, 2004, 03:44:17 PM: These things are unavailable in Australia. >:(
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: Bigger Business on November 08, 2004, 03:30:32 PM: It sounds like a plan, but I get nervous importing supps, a lot seem to go missing and those 'bulked up' customs officials never seem to know anything about it??

What is this stuff worth 404? Does it contain any prohibited sobstances, Australian laws seem to be a lot tougher than the UK and US.
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: Brolly on November 21, 2004, 06:43:43 PM: see canada's laws are the same no steriods of any kind, but i can still get in throw the black market or underground, we call it. it costs $$ a bit more, $120 cnd, thats about $100 us for just a m1t bottle for 5 cycles, and 1-TU is $140 cnd. so the stuff sin't cheap but wroth the price if your smart enough to understand the risks and what to do while on the pro-steriod.
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: dirty_martini on November 23, 2004, 03:29:27 PM: my 3 week cycle is almost over and i noticed no significant strength gains....no significant weight gain either

however, my muscles are much harder and fuller feeling, which in itself gives the appearance of larger muscles....people have noticed im getting bigger when in actuality ive gained maybe 3 lbs.

as far as side effects i felt no lethargy, sex drive wasnt affected negatively and no sides appearance-wise. i felt a little tightness where i think would be my kidneys...i upped my water intake and i felt fine. when i was first taking it i got slight headaches but nothing too bad.

iim using 6-oxo for pct and i will take zma and trib as well just for precautions....ive heard sometimes the mass or strength comes while in pct so ill be curious to see how i am 3 weeks from now
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: Jason on November 23, 2004, 08:23:28 PM: Quote from: GORE on October 20, 2004, 01:10:19 AM

me or eat2grow?

who did he quote?
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: NYCGuest on November 27, 2004, 10:36:24 AM: How often do most people cycle on and off M-1-T in a given year? Once, twice, etc... And also, what would be considered a safe amount of times to cycle it during the year?

This is, of course, given that proper perperation and PCT are done..
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: MartiniMan on December 08, 2004, 06:54:44 AM: I'd like to chime in here about the whole "hurting kidneys" comments.

I've done a lot of research on the subject, from posts on other sites to direct conversations with others very experienced with M1T to my own personal experience with a couple of cycles. I have to say the pain you all are experiencing is NOT your kidneys, it is the muscles in your lower back, which get constant use from every day use - much more than any other muscle group. It seems when a muscle is called upon for "endurance" use while on M1T, it is much more prone to that M1T "pump" we've all experienced, and thus tightens up and becomes sore.

Think about it, there are about a dozen comments on this thread alone such as the following:

Quote from: gunnz on October 11, 2004, 10:23:27 AM
My kidneys/lower back is sore when I work back or legs, and also when I do cardio. When I am not working out I barely notice it.

Working back or legs will create the pump, cardio for endurance (using lower back constantly) creates the pump as well .... hell, just every day walking, gettin up, moving around utilizes these muscles to the point where they get this pain type pump.

A couple of more points to support that statement: 1) Talk to anyone who's ever had a bruised kidney - the pain is more to the side, a little higher and definately a very deep internal feeling ... not a back pain, but an "inside discomfort" where you positively know it's an organ hurting. 2) If kidney pain was this easy to stimulate (such as taking something "toxic" like M1T) every time you went out and drank you'd wake up with that pain ... be honest, some have been down right near alcohol posioning in one of those "days gone by" stupid all night drinking binges and while you faced the head pain and overall crappy feeling your kidneys didn't hurt. That amount of alcohol is definately way, way more toxic to your system than 20 mg. of M1T is. Hell, apply that to any substance you put into your body that isn't exactly healthy ... your kidneys just don't hurt from it passing through. 3) I had a friend who one day took a piss and blood came out ... he went to the doctor and found out he had cancer so bad in his kidneys they immediately took one out. The guy was dumbfounded ... he had never felt any pain or discomfort EVER to indicate such a problem existed. Hell, if that amount of cancer won't cause pain in the kidney, then 20 mg. of M1T first passing through the liver, loosing some of its potency, passing through your bloodstream and finally some residual waste getting into your kidneys won't cause pain.

Last point ... use another muscle for endurance while on M1T and you'll feel that pump or pain you're describing. The last time I was on, I had a 30 minute phone conversation and when I hung up the phone my left bicep (holding the phone up to my ear with my left arm) absolutely cramped up and pumped up in pain for the next hour or two. The problem is your lower back gets very little rest from everyday use ... thus most prone to the discomforting pump.
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: TNTBOOM on December 08, 2004, 07:24:18 AM: i agree 100% with martini man!

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Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: gunnz on December 08, 2004, 08:04:56 AM: Actually that is a very good point. For example, when I take a shower and am washing my hair, my arms get so pumped and tight I literally have to take a break for a second to relax.

Thanks for the feedback on this back tightness issue!
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: bunch on December 12, 2004, 10:01:12 PM: Martini Man
seems like i may have encountered this problem ......my first two weeks of my cycle i took 10mg m1t .......notice my back after the first week .......lower back .....just on the left side ......prevents me from doing any squats or deadlifts.....i took a two weeks break ....now i'm on my next two weeks taking 20mg....back is still bothering me a lot .....does this sound like the m1t caused it ? .......can i do anything to make it feel any better? .....when i'm off the m1t how long will it take till the muscle relaxes and the tension on my back is relieved ......thanks for any help .
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: MartiniMan on December 13, 2004, 02:27:40 PM: The intensity of muscle pump or tightness seems to differ from person to person. Some I've talked with get very little or none of these type of symptoms, others get it bad.

A couple of suggestions:

1) I've noticed this cycle around for me has been very productive coupled with a Max-OT training, with much less tightness in my muscles, compared to the last cycle I took while still on HST. For those who don't know the difference, Max-OT encourages a "once a week" workout per muscle, whereas HST has you hitting the same muscle every other day. Again, for some this may not make a difference, but for me, to work the same muscle every other day on M1T caused much more muscle tightness, and not just in my lower back. If you are having problems with your lower back, I'd suggest limiting deads and squats to once a week, perhaps even just choosing one of these for the week. You can always go back to hitting them harder when off the M1T. Remember squats once a week plus M1T will still create better results than no M1T and all the core excersizes your body can handle.

2) I know it's the cardinal sin in body building ... but take some Tylenol if it gets to be too uncomfortable for you. During one really bad bout of lower back pain, I took a couple of Tylenol Sinus pills as my head was hurting as well, and within 20 minutes the pain was completely gone. I figure any minor anti-catabolic effect the Tylenol had on my muscles was well worth getting rid of the pain at that moment. You may determine the one step back with anti-inflamatories while getting the five steps forward with M1T is worth not having the pain. I know some will cringe reading this, but again, every one reacts differently with M1T and some might just have to accept the use of an anti-inflamatory to deal with it.
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: Brolly on December 14, 2004, 01:46:31 AM: That is true matrin man, or whatever yor name is. If you have to take 2 steps back to go 5 steps forward, then in the end you still gain 3 steps. Which is better then not stepping at all. ??? Confused oh well.

The pump feels the best when your fucking thou. when I'm going at my girl there are times i have to rest and make her work it, while my arms rest from all the bumpin' & grindin'
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: OnTheLow on December 14, 2004, 03:26:00 PM: Whats up fellas
Ive been reading this post and found alot of usefull info
im just about ready to set it off and was confused about one thing concerning the 4AD am I supposed to use it for a total of 6 weeks ?
2 weeks prior to the m1t then for the 4 weeks im on m1t ?
just wanted to know if I have this part correct because I bought the Dermabolics brand and the bottle states not to use for longer than 4 weeks just wanted to know im Anxious to start so some info would be greatly appreciated....
Thanks alot in advance ...
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: gunnz on December 14, 2004, 03:32:04 PM: Quote from: OnTheLow on December 14, 2004, 03:26:00 PM
Whats up fellas
Ive been reading this post and found alot of usefull info
im just about ready to set it off and was confused about one thing concerning the 4AD am I supposed to use it for a total of 6 weeks ?
2 weeks prior to the m1t then for the 4 weeks im on m1t ?
just wanted to know if I have this part correct because I bought the Dermabolics brand and the bottle states not to use for longer than 4 weeks just wanted to know im Anxious to start so some info would be greatly appreciated....
Thanks alot in advance ...

I do 6 weeks. 2 weeks prior and then 4 weeks while on M1T. Just make sure you take off ATLEAST 8 weeks after your cycle.
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: OnTheLow on December 14, 2004, 03:56:44 PM: Thanks for info GUNNZ

Just wanted to run by you real quik what I have lemme know if i have left anything out ?

(1)M one T (2)Milk thistle (3)6oxo (4) Howthorn berry (5) 4AD (6) NAC

Am I good to go ?
THANKS Again i appreciate it .....
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: gunnz on December 14, 2004, 03:59:48 PM: I take the Milk thistle and NAC pre and post cycle, and take the Hawthorne Berry on cycle. Take the 6-oxo post cycle, and you are all set.
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: OnTheLow on December 14, 2004, 04:14:26 PM: Your the man GUNNZ !!!

Thanks for that last bit of info you gave me,I got everything I need.Im ready to Rock&Roll ima set it off tommorow im hyped.
THANKS AGAIN your info is greatly appreciated
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: noob on December 14, 2004, 06:33:31 PM: I'm planning to use M1T 10mg for 2 weeks, since it's the first time I've used M1T, is there a need to run a test dose for the first week, ie. 5mg for the first week before escalating to 10 mg for the 2nd week?

If so, would I need to extend the 2 week cycle into a 3 week one, since I'm taking less than what I should be taking in the first week?

Appreciate your help.
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: gunnz on December 15, 2004, 06:27:44 AM: I would just take the 10 mg the whole time, depending on how much you weigh. If you are below 170, you could try the 5 mg the first week, see how you respond, and either stick with it if you are happy or bump it up if gains are not up to par.

If you are planning on 2 weeks, do 2 weeks. Three would be ok too.
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: gijoe on December 15, 2004, 06:54:50 AM: Damn, Gunnz and Martini, I am tearing up. The boyz are all grow-ed up! You guys are awesome, keep the great advice going, I couldn't do any better myself!!
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: noob on December 16, 2004, 01:45:00 AM: Thanks Gunnz.

I've some more questions. When I'm taking M1T, is there a need to go above my normal bulking diet (say 500 calories more?) If I bump my my calories some more (+500 cal), do I keep this calorie increase the same during the PCT (so as to keep the gains)?

Also would I be able to handle more training volume when I'm on M1T?
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: johnnyboy on December 16, 2004, 05:10:51 AM: I have taken dbol, anadrol, and test. I have gained more quality muscle on M1T, I was at around 215 when I started a cycle of 15mg a day of M1T, yesterday I weighed 228. My wife said that I look like I have real muscle, unlike when I was on a cycle of juice. So I highly recommend M1T. I have been drinking whey protein a lot, so that might account for some of the gains.
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: gunnz on December 16, 2004, 03:04:16 PM: Quote from: gijoe on December 15, 2004, 06:54:50 AM
Damn, Gunnz and Martini, I am tearing up. The boyz are all grow-ed up! You guys are awesome, keep the great advice going, I couldn't do any better myself!!

Thanks for the compliment and stay safe!!
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: gunnz on December 16, 2004, 03:09:45 PM: Quote from: noob on December 16, 2004, 01:45:00 AM
Thanks Gunnz.

I've some more questions. When I'm taking M1T, is there a need to go above my normal bulking diet (say 500 calories more?) If I bump my my calories some more (+500 cal), do I keep this calorie increase the same during the PCT (so as to keep the gains)?

Also would I be able to handle more training volume when I'm on M1T?

Sometimes M1T can cause your appetite to decrease, so I would just make sure you consume your normal bulking diet, but 500 more cals wouldn't hurt as your body is going to be in a very anabolic state with your test levels jacked. When you come off, make sure you continue to consume your bulking diet. Restricting calories can have an adverse effect on your test production, which is the opposite of what you need when you come off a cycle.

As for handling more training volume: the thing I would be careful of is that your muscles can grow faster than your tendons, and the increase stress on them could cause injury.
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: noob on December 17, 2004, 01:36:00 AM: I'm still a bit unclear.

Say for eg. my standard bulking calorie intake is 3500.

When I'm on M1T, I take additional 500 cals over and above my normal bulking diet at 4000 calories.

During PCT, do I take 4000 cal to keep my gains or do I take 3500 (which is still more than my maintaince level) because my body is no longer as anabolic?

Please advise. Thanks.
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: noob on December 17, 2004, 01:38:30 AM: as for the possible decrease in appetite, I'm actually planning to take heavy whipping cream and more olive oil to make up the shortfall.

Since I'm risking my health with M1T, I could not afford shortchange my gains by not eating as much as I should.
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: confused on December 17, 2004, 04:38:47 AM: I've read many pages of M1T related posts in a number of forums and I have this nagging doubt which I hope someone could clarify for me.

Firstly, I've read that M1T is highly suppressive and shuts down the natural test production after 72 hours of usage. So if I take my M1T sporadically like this:

day 1: 10 mg
day 2-4: nothing
day 5: 10 mg and repeat

Wouldn't I be able to avoid the shutdown and hence be able to stay on M1T for a much longer period? ???
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: TNTBOOM on December 17, 2004, 04:50:04 AM: Quote from: confused on December 17, 2004, 04:38:47 AM
I've read many pages of M1T related posts in a number of forums and I have this nagging doubt which I hope someone could clarify for me.

Firstly, I've read that M1T is highly suppressive and shuts down the natural test production after 72 hours of usage. So if I take my M1T sporadically like this:

day 1: 10 mg
day 2-4: nothing
day 5: 10 mg and repeat

Wouldn't I be able to avoid the shutdown and hence be able to stay on M1T for a much longer period? ???
YOU WOULD BE WASTING YOUR TIME !
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: gunnz on December 17, 2004, 06:01:26 AM: Quote from: noob on December 17, 2004, 01:36:00 AM
I'm still a bit unclear.

Say for eg. my standard bulking calorie intake is 3500.

When I'm on M1T, I take additional 500 cals over and above my normal bulking diet at 4000 calories.

During PCT, do I take 4000 cal to keep my gains or do I take 3500 (which is still more than my maintaince level) because my body is no longer as anabolic?

Please advise. Thanks.

I would keep your cals bumped up for 4 weeks pct, than drop down to your 3500 cal.
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: gunnz on December 17, 2004, 06:03:34 AM: Quote from: confused on December 17, 2004, 04:38:47 AM
I've read many pages of M1T related posts in a number of forums and I have this nagging doubt which I hope someone could clarify for me.

Firstly, I've read that M1T is highly suppressive and shuts down the natural test production after 72 hours of usage. So if I take my M1T sporadically like this:

day 1: 10 mg
day 2-4: nothing
day 5: 10 mg and repeat

Wouldn't I be able to avoid the shutdown and hence be able to stay on M1T for a much longer period? ???

You would totally screw up and confuse your system. As TNT said, you would be wasting your time.
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: OnTheLow on December 18, 2004, 01:32:36 PM: Whats up Fellas
Just wanted to ask something else about 4AD how many hours apart should I use it ? Am I wasting this stuff by spraying the 4AD about 2-3 hours apart you see reason is I get up shower spray the 4AD go to the GYM for about 1 hour go eat go home then shower again and spray the 2nd dose just wanted to know if im wasting my time doing it this way ? any input would be appreciated
THANKS AGAIN .....
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: gunnz on December 18, 2004, 01:58:16 PM: Quote from: OnTheLow on December 18, 2004, 01:32:36 PM
Whats up Fellas
Just wanted to ask something else about 4AD how many hours apart should I use it ? Am I wasting this stuff by spraying the 4AD about 2-3 hours apart you see reason is I get up shower spray the 4AD go to the GYM for about 1 hour go eat go home then shower again and spray the 2nd dose just wanted to know if im wasting my time doing it this way ? any input would be appreciated
THANKS AGAIN .....

Here is what I do on days I work out early:

Wake at about 7:00.
Workout from about 9:00 until 10:30.
Come home, drink shake, shower, apply 4ad at about 12:00 (after shower)
Go to work or whatever.
Come home, relax, whatever.
Take a quick shower before bed at about 10:00, then apply 4 ad for 2nd time.
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: OnTheLow on December 18, 2004, 02:31:43 PM: Once again you came through for the Kid thanks GUNNZ !!!
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: gunnz on December 18, 2004, 04:58:58 PM: Quote from: OnTheLow on December 18, 2004, 02:31:43 PM
Once again you came through for the Kid thanks GUNNZ !!!

Anytime, bro!
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: vigilante on December 21, 2004, 03:11:15 PM: Bio/Stats: 31yrs - 5' 11" - 215lbs - I've been working out continuously for about 1 year (off and on for about 10years, there was time when I was 8%bf about 4-5years ago) - I have lost about 65lbs since last Dec - diet 1200-1600 cal/day + daily multi - use a thermogenic drink 2-3 times a week.

I'm planning my first cycle of M1T for late Jan early Feb (I want to finish my research, and get my diet and sleep patterns right) I have a few clarifications if you don't mind:

1. Do I take Novladex during my cycle the whole time? During my PCT? or only if I need it?
2. I plan to stack 10mg M1T with 4AD; how much 4AD should I use? Should I start 4AD before the M1T cycle?
3. I Plan to up my calories to about 3000 per/day starting 2weeks prior and through most of the PCT, is that enough?

Planning my cycle for:
Prior 1-2wks: Start 4AD (Calories up to 3000)
Cycle3-4wks: 10mg M1T + 4AD (3000 Cal)
PCT 5-6wks: 6oxo + Milk thistle (3000 Cal)
PCT 7wk: 6oxo + milk thistle (2500 Cal)
PCT 8wk: Maintain 2000-2500 Cal diet
...then consider repeating?

Am I on the right track? Any feed back would be appreciated. Sorry for all the questions, this is a new area for me.

Thanks!!!
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: gunnz on December 21, 2004, 10:30:02 PM: Quote from: vigilante on December 21, 2004, 03:11:15 PM
Bio/Stats: 31yrs - 5' 11" - 215lbs - I've been working out continuously for about 1 year (off and on for about 10years, there was time when I was 8%bf about 4-5years ago) - I have lost about 65lbs since last Dec - diet 1200-1600 cal/day + daily multi - use a thermogenic drink 2-3 times a week.

I'm planning my first cycle of M1T for late Jan early Feb (I want to finish my research, and get my diet and sleep patterns right) I have a few clarifications if you don't mind:

1. Do I take Novladex during my cycle the whole time? During my PCT? or only if I need it?
2. I plan to stack 10mg M1T with 4AD; how much 4AD should I use? Should I start 4AD before the M1T cycle?
3. I Plan to up my calories to about 3000 per/day starting 2weeks prior and through most of the PCT, is that enough?

Planning my cycle for:
Prior 1-2wks: Start 4AD (Calories up to 3000)
Cycle3-4wks: 10mg M1T + 4AD (3000 Cal)
PCT 5-6wks: 6oxo + Milk thistle (3000 Cal)
PCT 7wk: 6oxo + milk thistle (2500 Cal)
PCT 8wk: Maintain 2000-2500 Cal diet
...then consider repeating?

Am I on the right track? Any feed back would be appreciated. Sorry for all the questions, this is a new area for me.

Thanks!!!

1. Nolvadex should be taken for pct.
2. 4ad should be front loaded at least a week ahead of time, I personally do two weeks. How much depends on what type. I use 4derm transdermal, at about 200mgs 2x per day. Oral dose would be higher.
3. Calories sound good-definitly keep them up for pct. Don't reduce cals immediately after cycle, you need to get your test levels back first.

You plan to do a total of 4 weeks of ph, so I would do 4 weeks of pct, with another 2 to 4 weeks after pct before starting another cycle.
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: vigilante on December 21, 2004, 11:47:19 PM: Thanks, this was a big help. I will be taking the oral form of 4AD, and I will definitely extend my PCT, I have no problem taking my time to do it right. And I will replace the 6oxo with Nolvadex. My understanding is there is no need to take both. Thanks again for the quick informative response!
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: gijoe on December 22, 2004, 04:26:50 AM: Quote from: vigilante on December 21, 2004, 11:47:19 PM
Thanks, this was a big help. I will be taking the oral form of 4AD, and I will definitely extend my PCT, I have no problem taking my time to do it right. And I will replace the 6oxo with Nolvadex. My understanding is there is no need to take both. Thanks again for the quick informative response!
Oral 4AD is very heavily degraded in the liver, so if in any way possible, go to transdermal.
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: vigilante on December 22, 2004, 10:14:48 AM: The oarl was going to be much more convinient for me with my work schedule, but if it makes that big a differnce, I'll work it out. I was planing to take the 4AD about 1-2 hours before my work outs. Gunnz commented on taking it close to your workout instead of morning and evening?
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: gunnz on December 22, 2004, 04:14:51 PM: Quote from: vigilante on December 22, 2004, 10:14:48 AM
The oarl was going to be much more convinient for me with my work schedule, but if it makes that big a differnce, I'll work it out. I was planing to take the 4AD about 1-2 hours before my work outs. Gunnz commented on taking it close to your workout instead of morning and evening?

I don't recall ever saying to take it before your workout vs. morning and evening. I personally take 4derm (4ad transdermal) 1st thing in the morning if I am going straight to work, and right before bed. If I am working out in the morning, I take it AFTER my workout and shower, and then again before bed.

Hope this helps and it should help work around your work schedule.
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: big baller on December 27, 2004, 04:22:06 PM: is this the same thing as methyl-1-test by max muscle
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: gunnz on December 27, 2004, 08:24:29 PM: Quote from: big baller on December 27, 2004, 04:22:06 PM
is this the same thing as methyl-1-test by max muscle

If you are talking about M1T being the same as methyl 1 test, yes.
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: Monstasquat on January 06, 2005, 07:50:56 PM: When using M1T is it nessesarty to frontload with 4 ad.... I do know PCT is a must though! THanks
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: Too Old 4 this on January 07, 2005, 12:50:59 AM: Here is a warning re: M-1T from a popular site that sells it. Read this and tell me if it's worth the risk.

Cautions/Warnings: Do not use this product if you are female, if you are a male under the age of 21 or you have not reached full maturity. Do not use this product if you have or have a family history of liver, kidney or prostrate disease or endocrine conditions. This product should be used in conjunction with proper diet and exercise. You should consult your physician before beginning any exercise program. If you have any other medical condition or are taking prescription drugs, consult with your physician before using this product. Keep out of reach of children. Store at room temperature and avoid excessive heat. Do not use if inner safety seal is broken or missing.

U.S. Federal Trade Commission Warning: This product contains steroid hormones that may cause breast enlargement, testicle shrinkage, and infertility in males, and increased facial and body hair, voice deepening, and clitoral enlargement in females. Higher doses may increase these risks. If you are at risk for prostate or breast cancer you should not use this product. You must be 21 years of age or older to purchase this product.

***Hmm breast enlargement, testicle shrinkage, infertility in males, clitoral enlargement in females, possible liver problems, kidney problems, prostate problems*** And we thought herpes was bad.

***You tell me if it's worth the risk for a few extra pounds on your bench. Trust me, I once thought the guys who can lift small school buses were cool. Now they look like they are 110 years old when they are in their 30's. When you get older chicks don't care what you can lift. They care about how you look & how fit your "package downstairs is". Now ask yourself this question, Does any body building judge or any woman care if Dexter Jackson can lift more than Jay Cutler or Ronnie Coleman? I know alot of women who like Dexter's & Gustavo's physique better than Ronnie or Jay's. Personally most guys including myself would be happy to look like Arnold in his prime. Arnold took no where near the crap top pros are using today. Having side effects like the one's mentioned on M-1T warning label are not worth it.**

By the way, I think the government regardless of which party holds the presidency needs to focus more on fighting crime, drugs & keeping our streets safe more than worrying about pro-hormones/pro-steroids. What's a bigger risk? A lowlife trying to sell a highschool kid heroin, PCP etc or some guy at the gym taking M-1T? Someone tell these politicians to wake up!! OK I'm done ranting, but that warning label above is legit!

Happy New Year!!
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: clawdad on January 07, 2005, 02:01:02 AM: those same sides are there with gear (liver toxicity, "deca"-d*ck,etc.)as well, not just M1T. It's up to the individual to decide if any "supplementation" of that kind is for them or not.
My .02

Clawdad
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: gijoe on January 08, 2005, 03:20:34 AM: Quote from: Too Old 4 this on January 07, 2005, 12:50:59 AM
Here is a warning re: M-1T from a popular site that sells it. Read this and tell me if it's worth the risk.

Cautions/Warnings: Do not use this product if you are female, if you are a male under the age of 21 or you have not reached full maturity. Do not use this product if you have or have a family history of liver, kidney or prostrate disease or endocrine conditions. This product should be used in conjunction with proper diet and exercise. You should consult your physician before beginning any exercise program. If you have any other medical condition or are taking prescription drugs, consult with your physician before using this product. Keep out of reach of children. Store at room temperature and avoid excessive heat. Do not use if inner safety seal is broken or missing.

U.S. Federal Trade Commission Warning: This product contains steroid hormones that may cause breast enlargement, testicle shrinkage, and infertility in males, and increased facial and body hair, voice deepening, and clitoral enlargement in females. Higher doses may increase these risks. If you are at risk for prostate or breast cancer you should not use this product. You must be 21 years of age or older to purchase this product.

***Hmm breast enlargement, testicle shrinkage, infertility in males, clitoral enlargement in females, possible liver problems, kidney problems, prostate problems*** And we thought herpes was bad.

***You tell me if it's worth the risk for a few extra pounds on your bench. Trust me, I once thought the guys who can lift small school buses were cool. Now they look like they are 110 years old when they are in their 30's. When you get older chicks don't care what you can lift. They care about how you look & how fit your "package downstairs is". Now ask yourself this question, Does any body building judge or any woman care if Dexter Jackson can lift more than Jay Cutler or Ronnie Coleman? I know alot of women who like Dexter's & Gustavo's physique better than Ronnie or Jay's. Personally most guys including myself would be happy to look like Arnold in his prime. Arnold took no where near the crap top pros are using today. Having side effects like the one's mentioned on M-1T warning label are not worth it.**

By the way, I think the government regardless of which party holds the presidency needs to focus more on fighting crime, drugs & keeping our streets safe more than worrying about pro-hormones/pro-steroids. What's a bigger risk? A lowlife trying to sell a highschool kid heroin, PCP etc or some guy at the gym taking M-1T? Someone tell these politicians to wake up!! OK I'm done ranting, but that warning label above is legit!

Happy New Year!!
+
To me, yes, it is worth the risk. To others, maybe not. If a normal, healthy adult takes M1T, chances are as long as they are taking PCT and other precautions, they should be just fine. Most of the sides you mentioned are because of high test levels, what BBers strive for, and if PCT is followed, it is negated within a week if it has shown up.
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: Monstasquat on January 12, 2005, 04:44:35 PM: Here is the deal..... I just started my cycle of M1T (Legal Gear) Im going to do 10MG the first week, then 20 for the second and third week...(only doing 3 weeks) I did no front loading with any 4derm or 4ad..... Anyway i got milk thistle and horthorn berries for liver and blood pressure.... The problem is here i Have NOVEDEX EXTreme by Gaspari.... I understand that Novla or 6 oxo surfice for PCT... What does everyone think of this stuff and the cycle let me know this is my first M1T cycle.... Plus in the past I've done Andro and whatnot and never used pct but i understant M1T is more potent... I just dont want to fuck myself up in the PCT if you know what im saying.... From what ive heard Novedex should be good, but let me know whats the deal.........

Pat
Title: Re:M1T FAQ
Post by: bigmo6891 on January 17, 2005, 09:52:43 AM: Quote from: Aerian on May 09, 2004, 11:29:47 PM
M1t is killing my kidneys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOOOOL what a p***y, c'mon dawg... no one said bodybuilding will be easy
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: bigmo6891 on January 17, 2005, 09:54:28 AM: Quote from: Too Old 4 this on January 07, 2005, 12:50:59 AM
Here is a warning re: M-1T from a popular site that sells it. Read this and tell me if it's worth the risk.

Cautions/Warnings: Do not use this product if you are female, if you are a male under the age of 21 or you have not reached full maturity. Do not use this product if you have or have a family history of liver, kidney or prostrate disease or endocrine conditions. This product should be used in conjunction with proper diet and exercise. You should consult your physician before beginning any exercise program. If you have any other medical condition or are taking prescription drugs, consult with your physician before using this product. Keep out of reach of children. Store at room temperature and avoid excessive heat. Do not use if inner safety seal is broken or missing.

U.S. Federal Trade Commission Warning: This product contains steroid hormones that may cause breast enlargement, testicle shrinkage, and infertility in males, and increased facial and body hair, voice deepening, and clitoral enlargement in females. Higher doses may increase these risks. If you are at risk for prostate or breast cancer you should not use this product. You must be 21 years of age or older to purchase this product.

***Hmm breast enlargement, testicle shrinkage, infertility in males, clitoral enlargement in females, possible liver problems, kidney problems, prostate problems*** And we thought herpes was bad.

***You tell me if it's worth the risk for a few extra pounds on your bench. Trust me, I once thought the guys who can lift small school buses were cool. Now they look like they are 110 years old when they are in their 30's. When you get older chicks don't care what you can lift. They care about how you look & how fit your "package downstairs is". Now ask yourself this question, Does any body building judge or any woman care if Dexter Jackson can lift more than Jay Cutler or Ronnie Coleman? I know alot of women who like Dexter's & Gustavo's physique better than Ronnie or Jay's. Personally most guys including myself would be happy to look like Arnold in his prime. Arnold took no where near the crap top pros are using today. Having side effects like the one's mentioned on M-1T warning label are not worth it.**

By the way, I think the government regardless of which party holds the presidency needs to focus more on fighting crime, drugs & keeping our streets safe more than worrying about pro-hormones/pro-steroids. What's a bigger risk? A lowlife trying to sell a highschool kid heroin, PCP etc or some guy at the gym taking M-1T? Someone tell these politicians to wake up!! OK I'm done ranting, but that warning label above is legit!

Happy New Year!!

shut da hell up, what a fag
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: TNTBOOM on January 18, 2005, 12:00:14 PM: Quote from: Too Old 4 this on January 07, 2005, 12:50:59 AM
Here is a warning re: M-1T from a popular site that sells it. Read this and tell me if it's worth the risk.

Cautions/Warnings: Do not use this product if you are female, if you are a male under the age of 21 or you have not reached full maturity. Do not use this product if you have or have a family history of liver, kidney or prostrate disease or endocrine conditions. This product should be used in conjunction with proper diet and exercise. You should consult your physician before beginning any exercise program. If you have any other medical condition or are taking prescription drugs, consult with your physician before using this product. Keep out of reach of children. Store at room temperature and avoid excessive heat. Do not use if inner safety seal is broken or missing.

U.S. Federal Trade Commission Warning: This product contains steroid hormones that may cause breast enlargement, testicle shrinkage, and infertility in males, and increased facial and body hair, voice deepening, and clitoral enlargement in females. Higher doses may increase these risks. If you are at risk for prostate or breast cancer you should not use this product. You must be 21 years of age or older to purchase this product.

***Hmm breast enlargement, testicle shrinkage, infertility in males, clitoral enlargement in females, possible liver problems, kidney problems, prostate problems*** And we thought herpes was bad.

***You tell me if it's worth the risk for a few extra pounds on your bench. Trust me, I once thought the guys who can lift small school buses were cool. Now they look like they are 110 years old when they are in their 30's. When you get older chicks don't care what you can lift. They care about how you look & how fit your "package downstairs is". Now ask yourself this question, Does any body building judge or any woman care if Dexter Jackson can lift more than Jay Cutler or Ronnie Coleman? I know alot of women who like Dexter's & Gustavo's physique better than Ronnie or Jay's. Personally most guys including myself would be happy to look like Arnold in his prime. Arnold took no where near the crap top pros are using today. Having side effects like the one's mentioned on M-1T warning label are not worth it.**

By the way, I think the government regardless of which party holds the presidency needs to focus more on fighting crime, drugs & keeping our streets safe more than worrying about pro-hormones/pro-steroids. What's a bigger risk? A lowlife trying to sell a highschool kid heroin, PCP etc or some guy at the gym taking M-1T? Someone tell these politicians to wake up!! OK I'm done ranting, but that warning label above is legit!

Happy New Year!!
everybody is entitled to an opinion!
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: VisPreludeVtec on January 19, 2005, 07:14:35 AM: I am 20 years old and I want to order some M1T today because it is illegal to buy tommorow. I know you shouldn't take it unless your 21 but what would it do If i started taking it now. the supp. I am on now is NoX2 and NoX2 extender also with creatine and protein. Could I add M1T in for 2 weeks on 2 weeks off as long as I use some sort of PCT?
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: TNTBOOM on January 19, 2005, 07:17:49 AM: Quote from: VisPreludeVtec on January 19, 2005, 07:14:35 AM
I am 20 years old and I want to order some M1T today because it is illegal to buy tommorow. I know you shouldn't take it unless your 21 but what would it do If i started taking it now. the supp. I am on now is NoX2 and NoX2 extender also with creatine and protein. Could I add M1T in for 2 weeks on 2 weeks off as long as I use some sort of PCT?
just take M1T with creatine forget about NoC crap
i used it before and it didnt work for me!
make sure you get proper Pct adn up your calories according to your body!

good luck!
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: VisPreludeVtec on January 19, 2005, 07:46:54 AM: Quote from: TNTBOOM on January 19, 2005, 07:17:49 AM

just take M1T with creatine forget about NoC crap
i used it before and it didnt work for me!
make sure you get proper Pct adn up your calories according to your body!

good luck!

I am 6'1 weigh 225. With taking creatine and protein shakes along with M1T how mnay calories should I intake? also what is the best PCT to buy. Also i was wondering what the best vitimins would be to take. thanks
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: Heavy a** weights on January 19, 2005, 07:59:51 AM: should i use pcp efter the m1t cycle or during?
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: Rimbaud on January 19, 2005, 12:51:58 PM: Quote from: Heavy a** weights on January 19, 2005, 07:59:51 AM
pcp

PCP? or do you mean PCT? If you ment PCT then you'll do that after your cycle.
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: gijoe on January 21, 2005, 01:28:50 AM: Quote from: Heavy a** weights on January 19, 2005, 07:59:51 AM
should i use pcp efter the m1t cycle or during?
People...Nobody should be using these substances if they don't even know what PCT is. Gain the knowledge before you put this stuff in your body. Does it work...yes, but this should be researched well before you begin a cycle. At best you won't gain anything, at worst you could do real damage to your body by not knowing enough about it. Read up on it. Not just this FAQ, but everything you can possible learn. Then come to us for tweaking of a cycle.
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: DMG on January 21, 2005, 05:49:25 PM: Hey Gijoe, do you think we should delete this thread now that M1T is illegal to use, and is considered a steroid? Just wondering.
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: gijoe on January 22, 2005, 01:57:46 AM: Quote from: DMG on January 21, 2005, 05:49:25 PM
Hey Gijoe, do you think we should delete this thread now that M1T is illegal to use, and is considered a steroid? Just wondering.
I would say leave it for now. The hardcore board talks to steroid use (hypothetically of course), so I don't see us doing it presenting a problem. None of us REALLY use it, so we aren't breaking any law talking about it. It is like talking about having sex with farm animals, it's illegal to act on it, but not talk about it, and nobody does it (except GEO).
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: Heavy a** weights on January 25, 2005, 12:24:37 PM: I have someting caled formestane for ptc pct is that ok. I think i start to develop some gyno i still take after the cycle or what?
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: pink on January 31, 2005, 07:35:21 PM: Anyone notice any hair loss due to M1T?
Or am i just imagining?
Any fix for this if it is causing it to creep?
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: suzukibadboy on February 10, 2005, 12:21:20 PM: Hi, this is my first post to the board.
I have read the FAQs for the topic of M1t....unfortunateley i am just confusing myself by reading all the information and getting confused with the abbreviations.

Okay i know im thick but i need some of you guys to give me the answers in plain English.

Heres my questions.

I have a tub of 180 capsules M1T..I have a tub of Milk thistle,

I workout regularly and take
V12 Turbo,
glucomine
creatine
multi vitamins.

I want to start M1t on a 4 week cycle but need to know how long to take milk thistle for first and do i stop milk thistle to start the M1t.
Also , do i have to take anything else along side M1T and do i carry on Milk thistle during taking M1t?

Any help without the abbreviations would be appreciated.

Pete
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: H4eafy on February 18, 2005, 04:07:13 AM: I have milk thistle and saw palmetto. Should i save them till after the cycle or take them during?

I will be taking 6 oxo afterwards aswell.
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: Ledd on March 09, 2005, 06:16:00 PM: HEY GI JOE ;)

Why is it that a person cannot take this stuff unless they have been lifting for an extended amount of time?! Does anybody know what might happen to a person who took it say........3 or so years too early????? ;)
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: Haevy a** weights on March 13, 2005, 06:00:47 PM: What stuff?
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: big baller on March 29, 2005, 01:44:17 PM: If i am taking a m-1-t and i get a drug test what will it show up as and how can i get it out of my body in two weeks
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: scarfacetm187 on April 07, 2005, 09:59:40 PM: i have been lifting for awhile, just on creatine, protein and stuff, what would happen if i take the m1t correctly if i havent taken anything lighter prior?
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: Rimbaud on April 08, 2005, 05:06:36 PM: Quote from: scarfacetm187 on April 07, 2005, 09:59:40 PM
i have been lifting for awhile, just on creatine, protein and stuff, what would happen if i take the m1t correctly if i havent taken anything lighter prior?

You'll make some gains. Just make sure you've got your PCT before you start taking the M1T.
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: JStainless on May 17, 2005, 10:45:28 AM: Im finishing up my M1T on wed, and i had ordered the tamoxifen Citrate from CEMProducts.com. It came in some cheap plastic bottle, and was never really air sealed by a machine or anything.. it also has a cheaply printed out label on it stating that its Tamoxifen Citrate, 50ml and also says "Not for human Consumption". IS this safe to have? It is exactly the stuff in the picture found here

http://search.store.yahoo.com/cgi-bin/nsearch?catalog=yhst-20189112917352&query=tamoxifen&.autodone=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cemproducts.com%2Fnsearch.html

Also, how mcuh should i take a day, and when, and how? Do i just drink the liquid?
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: Rimbaud on May 17, 2005, 12:16:04 PM: Yea go ahead & use it. It should be fine. Every time I've bought Nolva in liquid form it's always said that.
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: JStainless on May 18, 2005, 03:50:23 AM: How much should i take per day and when?
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: Rimbaud on May 18, 2005, 10:39:39 AM: I would take 1ml per day for the first two weeks & then 1/2ml per day for the second.
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: ART1NUT on July 13, 2005, 03:58:07 PM: G.I. JOE,

I've taken a couple of cycles of Methyl-1 Testosterone Xtreme 90 (387) mg caps by IDS, with awesome results.
4 week cycles on & off, just 10MG a day worked great. During the 4 weeks off I kept getting stronger & stronger.
I've held on to everything I gained without any pre -ycle/ post-cycle supplements.

This post was really interesting.
I'm going to try the 4-AD pre-cycle & 6OXO post-cycle.

I bought 5 bottles of M1T before it became illegal. Gotta use 'em up!

By the way, I specified the 387 mg cap above for a reason. There is a MIT by IDS out there that is only 90mg caps in a very similiar looking bottle. Don't get scammed.
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: HUGESQUATTER on July 15, 2005, 07:09:30 AM: G.I. JOE,

Please answer when you have time.
Could I front load with normal 4-AD liquid that you drink. Instead of the transdermal type.
Is there a big difference?
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: flax24 on August 24, 2005, 11:19:47 AM: can i cycle m1t with winstrol,would that be a good combo?
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: flax24 on August 25, 2005, 05:04:31 AM: i was think about taking winny and m1t what do you guys think i should take before or after my cycle and the amount i should take. i do alot of research but i dont know much about pct's
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: JStainless on August 25, 2005, 05:23:19 PM: Stacking 1ad and Ando Technologies M1T? would that work out alright.

Has anyone ever tried Ando Technologies? The last time i used M1T it was from Legal Gear.
Title: Re: M1T FAQ please help with stack
Post by: dddd on October 19, 2005, 09:23:39 PM: I was thinkn of taking T100 with Tribulus. I weigh 175lbs. How many mg of each do you suggest? I appreciate any input. These supplemnts are on www.heavyweights.net
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: todkbear on November 02, 2005, 04:15:08 PM: Can you still get M1T anywhere? I've looked on numerous sites and several local shops with no luck.
Hasn't this substance been banned by our over protective government? Where can I turn? Will I ever experience what could have been with M1T?
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: Eat2Grow on January 07, 2006, 07:09:55 PM: M1T is placebo. It may give you 2-5 lbs more than if you lifed and ate just as hard with creatine. The 4AD is what puts on the <water> weight.

Pro Hormones DO NOT WORK!

and GI JOE IS GONE IN IRAQ. Simply wish him luck and don't burden him with questions.
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: Havenbull on January 15, 2006, 11:09:15 AM: someone delete this fucking thread already, jesus christ
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: Manthus_X on March 04, 2006, 09:36:11 AM: Ok, I know GIjoe is gone... and this thread is really old.... but im hoping someone else will reply to this.

I just signed up here and ive read all the posts in this topic and Istill have some questions. Hpefully someone will answer and help me out.

What would happen if say, you took them (M1T) without anything else, just the pills. ALso without much past workout experence. One of my friends bought some and got me a bottle. Hes already been using them and has said he has gained 6 pounds in under a week... he eats a lot but doesn't work out much but he works on a oil rig so its hard labor but still not as benifical as a gym. He isn't taking anything with them, just the pills.

I decided to do some research before taking them and so far Im not too sure I want to take them, at least for a while. I work out on and off for the past year, im about 6ft and weight 160, im scronny but have tone and definition but not much mass. Ive only taked creatine once before for a month or so and since then haven't used any suppliments.

So do I need all the other stuff listed with it, what would happen if I dont have them, same with if I haven't been working out steady for the past while. I can only really work out hard for one week then two weeks off as im away on a rig, again its hard labor work but not as good as a gym.

Can someone help me out im not sure if I should start taking the stuff or wait and take them later and start working out hard before I do.

Thanks,
X
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: SLYY on March 04, 2006, 10:04:12 AM: Quote from: Eat2Grow on January 07, 2006, 07:09:55 PM
M1T is placebo. It may give you 2-5 lbs more than if you lifed and ate just as hard with creatine. The 4AD is what puts on the <water> weight.
Pro Hormones DO NOT WORK!

Not sure where u got your information.

M1T was first investigated back in the 1950's. They did not develop it as a commercial steroid until recently (before the new ban). According to William Llewellyn, "Truth be told, the potency of methyl-1-testosterone exceeds that of every prescription anabolic steroid currently sold." Llewellyn continues, "Like Anadrol, M1T is not necessarily a friendly steroid, but is definitely an effective one." The only reason it was listed as a prohormone and not a steroid is because when the 1991 law was written this steroid was unknown.

M1T is not a 'placebo'. Take the right dosage, eat right and sleep and you should have a great effect.

Due to the fact that it was recently taken off the market, many people still have M1T in their possession. Therefore this thread should stay around for a while....
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: mickaveli2001 on March 10, 2006, 10:35:04 AM: What is AD, and where do I get this stuff? I have M1T (5mg tabs), and can get milk thistle from my local store, what else would I need to get?
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: Rhino on November 18, 2006, 12:18:20 PM: What the hell does milk thistle do? I never took that stuff. Damn, I could've been huge by now.

O.k. seriously, what's the point of milk thistle?

I think saw palmetto's good though.
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: Purge_WTF on November 18, 2006, 01:39:59 PM: Milk thistle keeps the liver healthy.

And yes, M-1-T does work.
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: whitewidow on November 18, 2006, 01:55:12 PM: Quote from: Purge_WTF on November 18, 2006, 01:39:59 PM
Milk thistle keeps the liver healthy.

And yes, M-1-T does work.

i wouldnt use milk thistle while on cycle though. even post cycle there are better detoxifiers then milk thistle.
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: Sommy on November 18, 2006, 09:06:46 PM: what's the shelf life of this stuff? I have an old bottle of Ergopharm - probably 3 years old. Do you think it's still any good?
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: Rhino on November 23, 2006, 10:09:21 AM: I wonder if I should take Milk thistle?
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: Rhino on November 23, 2006, 10:25:33 AM: I was wondering if there's a way to clean your liver by eating whole foods? You know, instead of shelling out the bux for a bottle of Milk Thistle. Like for instance: I heard green tea is good for the liver. Well, I drink green tea, so do I really need milk thistle? And how about brocolli?
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: king on November 23, 2006, 05:00:30 PM: what are the top 3 brands that sold m1t?.. does anyone know? or have an opinion
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: bunch on March 18, 2007, 08:05:58 PM: hey there....I am about to purchase m-test evolution made by bmf hardcore....I am just curious what I should do pct....something legal....
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: 4thAD on March 18, 2007, 09:35:16 PM: 6oxo, or gaspari novadex.
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: Havenbull on March 19, 2007, 06:35:49 PM: jesus, i remember when this thread first started. can't believe its still around
Title: Re: M1T FAQ
Post by: 4thAD on March 19, 2007, 07:23:03 PM: yep me too! Its been here for a while!