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Trumptard is now threatening to shut down OUR government unless WE pay for his stupid wall
Any Trumptards care to defend this?
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Slow day at Antifa headquarters?
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Slow day at Antifa headquarters?
you're always the first Trumptard to take the bait
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the only pay possible to get Mexico to pay for this is a tax on remittances back from illegals or a tariff - but that will start a trade war and many companies build stuff in Mexico will rebel - in other words - not going to happen
I would like it to happen - but realistically it is not going to happen
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Slow day at Antifa headquarters?
You're concerned about Antifa aren't you? Down right scared.
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Threatening to shut down "OUR government" isn't much of a threat to the rest of us. It still runs at 80% according to Ryan's own mouth. Nothing happens to the rest of us, only those who are the problem. Scare tactics again.
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Threatening to shut down "OUR government" isn't much of a threat to the rest of us. It still runs at 80% according to Ryan's own mouth. Nothing happens to the rest of us, only those who are the problem. Scare tactics again.
It has an effect on a lot of people and it's also fucking pathetic for a POTUS to say this much less one who's party controls all three branches of government
He's basically extorting the country he's supposed to be leading to foot the bill for something that he said over and over and over again that he would be getting Mexico to pay for.
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It has an effect on a lot of people and it's also fucking pathetic for a POTUS to say this much less one who's party controls all three branches of government
He's basically extorting the country he's supposed to be leading to foot the bill for something that he said over and over and over again that he would be getting Mexico to pay for.
congress doesnt do shit, rinos dont do shit, democrats obstruct obstruct obstruct, AG ain't doing shit, fucking goverment is a sham, disgrace, trump should shut it down to get money for the fucking wall
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congress doesnt do shit, rinos dont do shit, democrats obstruct obstruct obstruct, AG ain't doing shit, fucking goverment is a sham, disgrace, trump should shut it down to get money for the fucking wall
fuck that
Trump said Mexico will pay for it so he needs to get the money from them
should be a piece of cake for the self proclaimed worlds greatest negotiator
even the dumbest Trumptard should be able to understand that
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fuck that
Trump said Mexico will pay for it so he needs to get the money from them
should be a piece of cake for the self proclaimed worlds greatest negotiator
even the dumbest Trumptard should be able to understand that
easy, take money from the people bringing drugs that have been confiscated coming through
oh wait, congress opposes that. hmmm....
executive branch has basically zero power domestically
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TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP...(DRINKING BEER) TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP!
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It has an effect on a lot of people
No it doesn't, liar. You can twist it and your definition of a lot but that would be the norm for you to squirm out of your original hyper ventilating meaning. No effect on the vast majority of Americans.
It's been done before and will be done again by presidents. Another emotional cryfest by Grasping. You never disagree/attack him for viable reasons that is your problem or if you have it is overwhelmed by pettiness.
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No it doesn't, liar. You can twist it and your definition of a lot but that would be the norm for you to squirm out of your original hyper ventilating meaning. No effect on the vast majority of Americans.
It's been done before and will be done again by presidents. Another emotional cryfest by Grasping. You never disagree/attack him for viable reasons that is your problem or if you have it is overwhelmed by pettiness.
First of all there is no reason at all to shut down the government over funding for the wall since Trump repeatedly promised that Mexico would pay for it
Second, shutting down the government can costs hundreds of millions of dollars. Even Rand Paul said shutting down the government costs more than keeping it open: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/aug/07/rand-paul/rand-paul-rightly-says-government-shutdown-was-mor/
Third, many people from all walks of life of effected by a shutdown.
Vital services that ensure seniors and young children have access to healthy food and meals may not have sufficient Federal funds to serve all beneficiaries in an extended lapse.
Call centers, hotlines and regional offices that help veterans understand their benefits will close to the public.
And, veterans’ compensation, pension, education and other benefits could be cut off in the case of an extended shutdown.
Every one of America’s national parks and monuments, from Yosemite to the Smithsonian to the Statue of Liberty, will be immediately closed.
New applications for small business loans and loan guarantees will be immediately halted.
Research into life-threatening diseases and other areas will stop and new patients won’t be accepted into clinical trials at the National Institutes of Health.
Work to protect consumers, ranging from child product safety to financial security to the safety of hazardous waste facilities, will cease.
The EPA will halt non-essential inspections of chemical facilities and drinking water systems.
Permits and reviews for planned energy and transportations projects will stop, preventing companies from working on these projects.
Loans to rural communities will be halted.
Hundreds of thousands of Federal employees including many charged with protecting us from terrorist threats, defending our borders, inspecting our food, and keeping our skies safe will work without pay until the shutdown ends.
Hundreds of thousands of additional Federal workers will be immediately and indefinitely furloughed without pay.
https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/blog/2013/10/01/whats-affected-government-shutdown
So why harm all these people and incur huge expense just to charge US for a stupid wall that Trump said over and over and over again that Mexico was going to pay for?
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good, shut down the government, keep it shut down forever, the less governance we have the better.
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good, shut down the government, keep it shut down forever, the less governance we have the better.
thanks for giving us the true moron perspective
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thanks for giving us the true moron perspective
more central government is good for you?
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that says everything about your level of ability in the world.
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more central government is good for you?
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that says everything about your level of ability in the world.
Central government maintains a reliable debt and equity market and that is "good" for me and everyone else too. Even people like you who are too stupid to understand.
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Central government maintains a reliable credit, debt and equity market and that is "good" for me and everyone else too. Even people like you who are too stupid to understand.
you'll manage without
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you'll manage without
I won't and neither will you
Again, too stupid to understand
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I won't and neither will you
Again, too stupid to understand
Funny how I don't see that in your list of "catastrophic" events that would occur following a government shutdown.
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Funny how I don't see that in your list of "catastrophic" events that would occur following a government shutdown.
that?
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Hey at least if it gets shut down he can take credit for reducing the deficit like obama did even though he lambasted the reps for shutting down the govt.
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Hey at least if it gets shut down he can take credit for reducing the deficit like obama did even though he lambasted the reps for shutting down the govt.
scroll up
shutting down the government costs more money than leaving it open
back to the main point
there is no justification to shut down the government to extort US tax dollars to pay for something that Trump said repeatedly that Mexico would pay for
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scroll up
shutting down the government costs more money than leaving it open
back to the main point
there is no justification to shut down the government to extort US tax dollars to pay for something that Trump said repeatedly that Mexico would pay for
Don't tell me tell obama he was the one saying he reduced the deficit when it was mainly due to the sequester.
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Don't tell me tell obama he was the one saying he reduced the deficit when it was mainly due to the sequester.
not sure what your point is in relation to Trump threatening to shut down the government to extort money to pay for a wall he insisted that Mexico would pay for.
Neither shutting down the government or paying for a wall is going to reduce the deficit
maybe you should start your own thread if you have a new topic you want to discuss
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You're concerned about Antifa aren't you? Down right scared.
Quite the opposite. I'm looking forward to another Trump rally where I live just so we could beat down more of them like the first time.
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not sure what your point is in relation to Trump threatening to shut down the government to extort money to pay for a wall he insisted that Mexico would pay for.
Neither shutting down the government or paying for a wall is going to reduce the deficit
maybe you should start your own thread if you have a new topic you want to discuss
Hey i agree i just dont know why you weren't yelling at obama when he was taking credit for reducing the deficit even though it was a result of the sequester is all
Why are you mad now?
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not sure what your point is in relation to Trump threatening to shut down the government to extort money to pay for a wall he insisted that Mexico would pay for.
Neither shutting down the government or paying for a wall is going to reduce the deficit
maybe you should start your own thread if you have a new topic you want to discuss
Maybe you should stop being a fucking crybaby
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leave poo dle alone
he had a brain transplant but his own brain was put back in again
Lmao I'll manage perfectly without the US government running
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so lets see what's going on so far..
1. no ACA repeal
2. no border wall
3. no tax cuts or reforms
4. more troops to an endless "war" in afghanistan (somebody's profiting from the poppies!)
exactly what trump said he would do, right?
:)
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oh, but wait!
mccain blocked the ACA repeal: http://www.newsmax.com/DavidLHunter/john-mccain-obamacare-repeal/2017/07/28/id/804391/
ryan's blocking the wall: https://conservative-daily.com/2017/05/02/update-ryans-budget-bill-doesnt-just-unfund-wall-completely-blocks/
and ryan's also blocking tax cuts! http://thinkamericana.com/2017/06/07/paul-ryan-blocks-trump-tax-plan/
..but yeah, totally trump's fault
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fucking moronic OP, do you see how little power the president has domestically? that's how the US fucking works.
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shutting down the government costs more money than leaving it open
and bob corker is a key republican
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First of all there is no reason at all to shut down the government over funding for the wall since Trump repeatedly promised that Mexico would pay for it
Second, shutting down the government can costs hundreds of millions of dollars. Even Rand Paul said shutting down the government costs more than keeping it open: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/aug/07/rand-paul/rand-paul-rightly-says-government-shutdown-was-mor/
Third, many people from all walks of life of effected by a shutdown.
Vital services that ensure seniors and young children have access to healthy food and meals may not have sufficient Federal funds to serve all beneficiaries in an extended lapse.
Call centers, hotlines and regional offices that help veterans understand their benefits will close to the public.
And, veterans’ compensation, pension, education and other benefits could be cut off in the case of an extended shutdown.
Every one of America’s national parks and monuments, from Yosemite to the Smithsonian to the Statue of Liberty, will be immediately closed.
New applications for small business loans and loan guarantees will be immediately halted.
Research into life-threatening diseases and other areas will stop and new patients won’t be accepted into clinical trials at the National Institutes of Health.
Work to protect consumers, ranging from child product safety to financial security to the safety of hazardous waste facilities, will cease.
The EPA will halt non-essential inspections of chemical facilities and drinking water systems.
Permits and reviews for planned energy and transportations projects will stop, preventing companies from working on these projects.
Loans to rural communities will be halted.
Hundreds of thousands of Federal employees including many charged with protecting us from terrorist threats, defending our borders, inspecting our food, and keeping our skies safe will work without pay until the shutdown ends.
Hundreds of thousands of additional Federal workers will be immediately and indefinitely furloughed without pay.
https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/blog/2013/10/01/whats-affected-government-shutdown
So why harm all these people and incur huge expense just to charge US for a stupid wall that Trump said over and over and over again that Mexico was going to pay for?
Nice links that don't really do much to support your point as usual. Terrible that they could close Yosemite. That's a killer. All of the major points that are made in that article are for an "extended shutdown". When has this happened? Never.
That second to last point is extremely laughable/attempt to scare people. Our military still functions just fine.
I can post links as well:
https://www.conservativereview.com/articles/government-shutdown-is-a-trick-to-make-conservatives-capitulate
Problem is is that history is on my side in that it doesn't have much (if any) impact to the vast majority of Americans as posted already. I understand you are scared but no reason to be.
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^ i doubt he's scared, he's just trying to guilt/frighten others
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^ i doubt he's scared, he's just trying to guilt/frighten others
I don't know. He seems pretty upset about it all. Maybe he gives guided tours of the White House?
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I don't know. He seems pretty upset about it all. Maybe he gives guided tours of the White House?
lol made me laugh
he just seems like a typical anti-trump hater, no rhyme or reason behind his criticism OTHER THAN the fact that trump was/is polarizing, and pushed our little faggit away
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Hey i agree i just dont know why you weren't yelling at obama when he was taking credit for reducing the deficit even though it was a result of the sequester is all
Why are you mad now?
WTF man
Do you have any other completely unrelated topics you'd like to discuss in this thread
My premise in this thread is very easy to understand
Trump said Mexico will pay for the wall (see title) and now he wants to extort money from US to pay for it
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Nice links that don't really do much to support your point as usual. Terrible that they could close Yosemite. That's a killer. All of the major points that are made in that article are for an "extended shutdown". When has this happened? Never.
That second to last point is extremely laughable/attempt to scare people. Our military still functions just fine.
I can post links as well:
https://www.conservativereview.com/articles/government-shutdown-is-a-trick-to-make-conservatives-capitulate
Problem is is that history is on my side in that it doesn't have much (if any) impact to the vast majority of Americans as posted already. I understand you are scared but no reason to be.
Why don't you find a link that says that shutting down the government doesn't hurt anyone and actually saves money
can you do that?
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and bob corker is a key republican
lol
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Mexico is not paying for a wall and neither is anyone else - because one is not going to get built. There may be enhanced barriers in some sectors, more patrols and presence in others - but this idea of Hadrians' Wall 2.0 is ludicrous. Its not going to happen. The reasons are many, not having to do with whether Trump wants it or not. I'm sure he does - but reality is such that between lawsuits, pressure from special interests, sabotage from Congress people, eminent domain issues - its about as likely as Conor McGregor winning vs Mayweather was.
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Why don't you find a link that says that shutting down the government doesn't hurt anyone and actually saves money
can you do that?
Nope, because that wasn't what the argument was about. Sorry. As posted you did the usual attempt to twist the argument into now "doesnt hurt anyone", lol.
However, if you are arguing that balancing a budget wouldn't save the country money, I don't think you need a link for that. Not that the govt ever will do anything anymore but raise the debt....
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Nope, because that wasn't what the argument was about. Sorry. As posted you did the usual attempt to twist the argument into now "doesnt hurt anyone", lol.
However, if you are arguing that balancing a budget wouldn't save the country money, I don't think you need a link for that. Not that the govt ever will do anything anymore but raise the debt....
of course that is what "the argument" is about
if shutting down the government did not harm US and costs US money then no one would give a shit...just shut it down
The only reason we're discussing shutting down the government is because the POTUS threatened to do it unless WE pay for the wall that HE said Mexico would be paying for.
That is the primary issue
If Trump wants his wall then all he needs to do is have Mexico pay for it
agreed?
Of course once he has the money from Mexico then all he has to do is deal with all the other issues that 333 brought up but paying for it is on Mexico and not us....per candidate Trump
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of course that is what "the argument" is about
if shutting down the government did not harm US and costs US money then no one would give a shit...just shut it down
The only reason we're discussing shutting down the government is because the POTUS threatened to do it unless WE pay for the wall that HE said Mexico would be paying for.
That is the primary issue
If Trump wants his wall then all he needs to do is have Mexico pay for it
agreed?
Of course once he has the money from Mexico then all he has to do is deal with all the other issues that 333 brought up but paying for it is on Mexico and not us....per candidate Trump
It should be comforting to know Trump has no idea how the government operates and so his threat to shut it down in order to get the wall paid for is a meaningless threat. His lack of comprehension on how politics and government work is one of his many deficiencies
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It should be comforting to know Trump has no idea how the government operates and so his threat to shut it down in order to get the wall paid for is a meaningless threat. His lack of comprehension on how politics and government work is one of his many deficiencies
I always laugh and shake my head with a big roll when I hear stuff like this. lol
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I always laugh and shake my head with a big roll when I hear stuff like this. lol
Yeah and they will all be sitting back with their jaws hung down to the ground while Trump continues to collect those W's.
All Obama collected during his entire presidency was a 6 year succession of losses.
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Let's face it, trumps iq is sub 90. Still smart enough to dump his own party 'to get a win' and to get elected by the sub 90 iq voters.
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Yeah and they will all be sitting back with their jaws hung down to the ground while Trump continues to collect those W's.
All Obama collected during his entire presidency was a 6 year succession of losses.
Yeah, it's a long list of exactly 1 W on December 19, 2016 when won the electoral college vote
Self proclaimed worlds greatest negotiator can't even convince his own party to support his agenda
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Yeah, it's a long list of exactly 1 W on December 19, 2016 when won the electoral college vote
Self proclaimed worlds greatest negotiator can't even convince his own party to support his agenda
Say "Donald Trump is my President"
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Say "Donald Trump is my President"
lol
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Yeah, it's a long list of exactly 1 W on December 19, 2016 when won the electoral college vote
Self proclaimed worlds greatest negotiator can't even convince his own party to support his agenda
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Yeah, it's a long list of exactly 1 W on December 19, 2016 when won the electoral college vote
Self proclaimed worlds greatest negotiator can't even convince his own party to support his agenda
You seem to shit on Trump in every post yet I don't think you've ever posted what policies you disagree with. Are you against the wall? If so, then why?
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You seem to shit on Trump in every post yet I don't think you've ever posted what policies you disagree with. Are you against the wall? If so, then why?
It's so unfair that Trump says and does so many stupid things on a daily basis
I don't think the wall will do a damn bit of good but if he wants to waste his time building one that's fine with me. He just needs to do what he promised and get Mexico to pay for it. That's going to include Mexico not only for the total cost of construction but also for all the private land that the government will have to seize from US Citizens.
BTW - I'm on the record being ALL IN FAVOR of everything that Trump promised on health care and I've said that many times on this board .
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BTW - I'm on the record being ALL IN FAVOR of everything that Trump promised on health car and I've said that many times on this board .
then why arent you shitting on congress rinos and idiot democrats who cant get anything done?
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then why arent you shitting on congress rinos and idiot democrats who cant get anything done?
fuck them
Trump said that no one knew the system better than he did and the he alone could fix it
He also claims to be some kind of world class negotiator
If he can't get his own party on board for his agenda then it's ON HIM
He's the leader of the party
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then why arent you shitting on congress rinos and idiot democrats who cant get anything done?
...because the bill they were trying to pass was much worse than the ACA. The approval rating was between 13%-17%.
If they had a better healthcare bill it would have passed congress but it was apparent 7 years wasn't enough time for them to come up with a better plan.
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...because the bill they were trying to pass was much worse than the ACA. The approval rating was between 13%-17%.
If they had a better healthcare bill it would have passed congress but it was apparent 7 years wasn't enough time for them to come up with a better plan.
wait wut?
their bill sucked, yes, and rip them for it, that's what im saying
how is trump at fault ???
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fuck them
Trump said that no one knew the system better than he did and the he alone could fix it
He also claims to be some kind of world class negotiator
If he can't get his own party on board for his agenda then it's ON HIM
He's the leader of the party
you obviously have no idea how the americano political system works
and i said this to you before, you daft fuck, trump said that about the *tax system*
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you obviously have no idea how the americano political system works
and i said this to you before, you daft fuck, trump said that about the *tax system*
I'll bet I know how it works better than Trump does
You can keep making excuses for Trump's failures but the fact remains that he can't even negotiate a "win" with his own party and that's his fault.
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I'll bet I know how it works better than Trump does
You can keep making excuses for Trump's failures but the fact remains that he can't even negotiate a "win" with his own party and that's his fault.
clearly not.
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clearly not.
it's actually obvious that I do
when Trump made his numerous idiotic statement such as "no one knows the system better than me" and "I alone can fix it" I knew that he was either lying or had no clue
and he made that same statement numerous times. He made it a couple times about the immigration system, he made it about the process of political donations, he made it about law enforcement and he made it with no context at all other than "the system" when he made is acceptance speech for the Republican nominations
In all cases he was full of shit (and/or didn't even know he was full of shit)
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when Trump made his numerous idiotic statement such as "no one knows the system better than me" and "I alone can fix it" I knew that he was either lying or had no clue
you mean when he was talking about the tax system?
i get it man, you detest trump. it's quite laughable, and very sad. but he's a polarizing guy, so what tends to happen is that people either really gravitate to him or are really opposed to him.
you obviously fall into the latter. the thing is, you're not exactly in select company: the vast majority of those opposed, hell i'd say all of those opposed, are massive pussies with weak constitutions and are a disgrace to all americanos everywhere. really, all normal men with a t level above 1 everywhere.
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you mean when he was talking about the tax system?
i get it man, you detest trump. it's quite laughable, and very sad. but he's a polarizing guy, so what tends to happen is that people either really gravitate to him or are really opposed to him.
you obviously fall into the latter. the thing is, you're not exactly in select company: the vast majority of those opposed, hell i'd say all of those opposed, are massive pussies with weak constitutions and are a disgrace to all americanos everywhere. really, all normal men with a t level above 1 everywhere.
nope, I mean exactly what I said
Trump has used that same phrase many times on many topics, including how government works
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/10/04/17-issues-that-donald-trump-knows-better-than-anyone-else-according-to-donald-trump/?utm_term=.0c5e50398374
If the worlds greatest negotiator and leader of the Republican party can't get the Republican party to support his agenda then it's ON HIM and nobody else but him.
No one knows how this shit works better than him (or so he promised us)
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you mean when he was talking about the tax system?
True i get it man, you detest trump. it's quite laughable, and very sad. but he's a polarizing guy, so what tends to happen is that people either really gravitate to him or are really opposed to him.
you obviously fall into the latter. the thing is, you're not exactly in select company. baseless opinion the vast majority of those opposed, hell i'd say all of those opposed, are massive pussies with weak constitutions and are a disgrace to all americanos everywhere. really, all normal men with a t level above 1 everywhere.