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Greetings, guys. I've been researching this for quite some time. I just turned 43 and been training since I was a teenager. I've built a decent foundation through training and diet (6'2" 225lbs and 9%bf). I want to be "enhanced", but healthy without going overboard. What kind of results can be achieved using 250-300mgs/wk of Test Cyp, indefinitely?
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Greetings, guys. I've been researching this for quite some time. I just turned 43 and been training since I was a teenager. I've built a decent foundation through training and diet (6'2" 225lbs and 9%bf). I want to be "enhanced", but healthy without going overboard. What kind of results can be achieved using 250-300mgs/wk of Test Cyp, indefinitely?
IMO, 150-200mg is healthier. to do it long term and be healthy you will need to donate blood every 3-4 months and eat a pretty vegan/pescatarian focused diet.
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IMO, 150-200mg is healthier. to do it long term and be healthy you will need to donate blood every 3-4 months and eat a pretty vegan/pescatarian focused diet.
I don't follow a vegan diet, but I do make sure a high protein/moderate carb/ moderate fat diet. I weight train 5 times a week and do cardio 5-6 times a week.
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I was going through old posts and seen a guy named _aj_ use 250mgs of test a week for a little over a year and gained 15lbs of mostly muscle.
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TRT dosages are far below that threshold. Acelerated baldness, prostate enlargement, hypercalcemia, deregulated thyroid, gyno, heart enlargement... And the list goes on. Even you protein intake should be reduce, for kidney health. Your body is not 20yo anymore.
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Have been doing this for close to 3 years now (41-44) and feel great. Just don't expect the gains to keep coming. Yes, it can make your ceiling higher, but once you reach that you will stall again. However, stalling is progress once you're over 40. Maintaining a good body for as long as possible is the goal.
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TRT dosages are far below that threshold. Acelerated baldness, prostate enlargement, hypercalcemia, deregulated thyroid, gyno, heart enlargement... And the list goes on. Even you protein intake should be reduce, for kidney health. Your body is not 20yo anymore.
Utterly unscientific, but the dosages discussion should be done on a patient by patient level. My personal guide is my nut size: At 200 mg and below my nuts do not shrink (they did for a few months and then recovered), at 250 mg they shrink a bit (permanently). So to me it seems that 200 is close to a replacement dose for me personally.
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Utterly unscientific, but the dosages discussion should be done on a patient by patient level. My personal guide is my nut size: At 200 mg and below my nuts do not shrink (they did for a few months and then recovered), at 250 mg they shrink a bit (permanently). So to me it seems that 200 is close to a replacement dose for me personally.
Never would have guess that testicle size is an exact science, where you can extrapolate to the health of every internal organ.
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Ive been doing Test around that same dose when I started repacement at age 40 I am now 45 lots of muscle and look younger -however I dont eat perfectly and BP borderline but it also runs in my family,, I was doing deca dose as well-or som eq /masteron at times-other guys my age who still try to train and take no test just struggle constantly with muscle loss fat gain, energy loss ,, sexual stuff and depression at times -and look OLD -Im sure within ten years I will go down in dosage to 100-200mg wk or so
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TRT dosages are far below that threshold. Acelerated baldness, prostate enlargement, hypercalcemia, deregulated thyroid, gyno, heart enlargement... And the list goes on. Even you protein intake should be reduce, for kidney health. Your body is not 20yo anymore.
Do you use gear? If so, what do you use? Just curious
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Have been doing this for close to 3 years now (41-44) and feel great. Just don't expect the gains to keep coming. Yes, it can make your ceiling higher, but once you reach that you will stall again. However, stalling is progress once you're over 40. Maintaining a good body for as long as possible is the goal.
Yeah, I do expect to make initial progress. Then hit a plateau and be on maintenance mode until I expire.
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Ive been doing Test around that same dose when I started repacement at age 40 I am now 45 lots of muscle and look younger -however I dont eat perfectly and BP borderline but it also runs in my family,, I was doing deca dose as well-or som eq /masteron at times-other guys my age who still try to train and take no test just struggle constantly with muscle loss fat gain, energy loss ,, sexual stuff and depression at times -and look OLD -Im sure within ten years I will go down in dosage to 100-200mg wk or so
What does your protocol look like?
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Never would have guess that testicle size is an exact science, where you can extrapolate to the health of every internal organ.
Maybe you can, maybe you can't. You care about things you find important, and I will do the same.
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Does anyone else use 250mgs a week? I'd love to get more input
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What does your protocol look like?
anywhere from 2-300 mg test cyp -was doing the same with deca now eq or masteron-bloods are good -just bp little high because I dont drink enough water
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I think a trt dose with the occasional 500mg blast once or twice a year is healthier than 300mgs year round.
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I think a trt dose with the occasional 500mg blast once or twice a year is healthier than 300mgs year round.
I do see the logic in that, as well. Plus, your body has a chance to become desensitized to the amount of androgens. Especially, if you go from 125mgs/wk to 500mgs/wk.
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I haven't dropped below 250mg/wk since late 2013 - I have been "on" since October 2010. for a (roughly) six month period during 2013 I dropped down to 125 -175 mg/wk. I have gone as high as 1200-1400mg/wk if orals are included during short (2-3 month) blasts, but 500-750 mg/wk would be more typical blast for me, at this point I blast once a year, maybe 1.5 times if we want to get technical.
I donated blood at first , but now take daily Naringin to keep RBC/hematocrit under control. I take fish oil and aspirin daily also. I will be turning 50 this year.
Resisting the urge to blast more than once every 9-12 months and accepting that at half a century old "impressive" HAS to be relative.......keeps me alive and healthy.
Also, I limit myself to test- adding deca, dbol, and/ or winny only for blasts. I use an AI (exemastane) 12.5 mg 2x/wk at 250-300mg test/wk.
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I think a trt dose with the occasional 500mg blast once or twice a year is healthier than 300mgs year round.
perhaps your right maybe ill try that soon-why would that be better if my bloods are good?
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Do you use gear? If so, what do you use? Just curious
One shot of testex elmu prolongatum 250, every two weeks, for 3-4 months, then i stop. I am not castrated yet, so i am kind of experimenting.
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Does anyone else use 250mgs a week? I'd love to get more input
Currently and going forward on 250 TE weekly. Last time I checked TT I was at 1620. I take 1.5 mg of ug Adex weekly which keeps my estradiol around 28. I donate blood every three month. Have blood work done twice a year, no issues. Anything else?
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TRT dosages are far below that threshold. Acelerated baldness, prostate enlargement, hypercalcemia, deregulated thyroid, gyno, heart enlargement... And the list goes on. Even you protein intake should be reduce, for kidney health. Your body is not 20yo anymore.
Total crap. Do some research before you spout off bullshit like this.
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Currently and going forward on 250 TE weekly. Last time I checked TT I was at 1620. I take 1.5 mg of ug Adex weekly which keeps my estradiol around 28. I donate blood every three month. Have blood work done twice a year, no issues. Anything else?
Did you see any size and strength increases on the 250mgs?
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I think I'll start out with 500mgs of Test E for 16-20 weeks after reading so many success stories. Then, dial it back to 200mgs a week the rest of the time. I had a full physical done. Everything came back great. BP is 110/70 with no prostate cancer.
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I know a guy of 57 years. he has a very well trained body.
His regime is as follows:
Every month 250 test Cyp
Everymonth 200 Deca
Summer cycle;
Week 1-8
Test 250
Deca 200
Looks good i think.
Anybody else using deca and test on monthly basis?
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I know a guy of 57 years. he has a very well trained body.
His regime is as follows:
Every month 250 test Cyp
Everymonth 200 Deca
Summer cycle;
Week 1-8
Test 250
Deca 200
Looks good i think.
Anybody else using deca and test on monthly basis?
Better to split the test dose into a weekly thing, too many ups and downs with monthly dose
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I know a guy of 57 years. he has a very well trained body.
His regime is as follows:
Every month 250 test Cyp
Everymonth 200 Deca
Summer cycle;
Week 1-8
Test 250
Deca 200
Looks good i think.
Anybody else using deca and test on monthly basis?
You meant 250mgs of Test Cyp and 200mgs of Deca a week, right? Not, 250mgs and 200mgs a month.
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There are a lot of mythgs here, moderated dosage of ass is almost good for anyone after 40... the big problem after this age is the diet... getting huge is dangerous
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You meant 250mgs of Test Cyp and 200mgs of Deca a week, right? Not, 250mgs and 200mgs a month.
No per month. he says its better than nothing
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Better to split the test dose into a weekly thing, too many ups and downs with monthly dose
Thats not true he said about ups and downs. Doses are too low for that.
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Thats not true he said about ups and downs. Doses are too low for that.
if you pin a TRT dose of test after a bout a week your levels will be low. So if you pin once a month you'll have 1 week of good levels and about 3 weeks of low levels. Better to pin about 60mg per week (according toyour friend) and have steady levels
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I'm 52 years old.
I started a TRT 9 years ago. 250 mg of test. enanthate every 3 weeks.
250 mg every 10 days now.
I feel great. I train 5 days a week (deadlift, front squat, bench press and some shoulders and arms work), hike and row. A very good help for professional activity too and sex life of course.
I check my blood two times a year and i don't take any other drug for now.
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I'm 52 years old.
I started a TRT 9 years ago. 250 mg of test. enanthate every 3 weeks.
250 mg every 10 days now.
I feel great. I train 5 days a week (deadlift, front squat, bench press and some shoulders and arms work), hike and row. A very good help for professional activity too and sex life of course.
I check my blood two times a year and i don't take any other drug for now.
Interesting, do you feel a drop-off after the second week? (because of the half-life of test)
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Yes.
One year ago my doctor has suggested a weekly injection which I refused. It's probably time now.
It usually takes me about 48 hours to feels the effects of an injection, which last 5 to 7 days before I feel the drop. But Test Enanthate sup. isn't everything. Maybe I should also take into consideration the damage in the course of my occupational activities and encourage healthy sleeping patterns (6 hours at the moment).
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I'm mid thirties and have recently been put on 100mg cyp once a week. It's actually 200mg every two weeks but I felt that weekly injections were better. No real good or bad other than a bit "down" when I miss a dose. I've thought about getting a bottle of sustanon and doing that with it for 8-10 weeks but probably won't. I also thought about throwing in winny for 4-6 weeks but don't want the hair loss. I have a full thick head of hair and don't want to do anything to jeopardize it. I get blood work at least twice a year and I'm healthy. Prostate too.
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im 53. im 220 lbs now at 10 percent bodyfat ( skin fold calipers) been training my whole life. now when it comes to dosages if your getting yours from the pharmacy then you know that 250 is probably 250. but getting it from a dealer etc 250 might be 100 or nothing or maybe some other drug. so its hard to determine. my doc had me on androgel when i turned 40. lol i saved mine up for months and months and then used several a day. didnt notice anything. i then used test p and tren for a year. took a break went back to test e up to 1000 mg a week and tren. then i was up to 1600total test on blood work doc said way to high wanted me to stop . lol funny thing is i went to him before my big leap and i was in the 90s!!! he wouldnt give me anything cuz i was within range( 70 to 600 is within range) at the amount i take now i feel good. i lift 3-5 times a week depending. i look great. people cant believe im 53. strength is good. i throw in some deca to help with joints ( it really works) im getting ready to blast next week by adding some dball to the mix. yes i get blood work and no i dont think im to old to use safe amounts. but like i said getting stuff from the black market you never know.
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Its perfect IMO. Thats what I am going to do after 45 - 50 years old. Safest way to look amazing for older people.
I said millions of time 4iu gh - 500mg test a week = golden for 45+ age
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But what about Prostate enlargement? or heart diseases?
Why the medical doc in Europe (Netherlands) are so against the use of AAS (Testosteron, Deca)?
Doc become wild and agressive when they hear about it
What a difference in the USA! Is it quite normal in the USA to use AAS?
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Its perfect IMO. Thats what I am going to do after 45 - 50 years old. Safest way to look amazing for older people.
I said millions of time 4iu gh - 500mg test a week = golden for 45+ age
And a little masteron 100 mg per week?
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I'm mid thirties and have recently been put on 100mg cyp once a week. It's actually 200mg every two weeks but I felt that weekly injections were better. No real good or bad other than a bit "down" when I miss a dose. I've thought about getting a bottle of sustanon and doing that with it for 8-10 weeks but probably won't. I also thought about throwing in winny for 4-6 weeks but don't want the hair loss. I have a full thick head of hair and don't want to do anything to jeopardize it. I get blood work at least twice a year and I'm healthy. Prostate too.
I shave my head bald anyway so hair isn't that big of a deal.;D
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Its perfect IMO. Thats what I am going to do after 45 - 50 years old. Safest way to look amazing for older people.
I said millions of time 4iu gh - 500mg test a week = golden for 45+ age
Is 500mgs of test a week too much for a 45-50 year old, health wise
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I still haven't taken the plunge yet. I'm leaning towards doing a standard cycle of 500mgs of Test for 16-20 weeks to start out. Then, cruising on 175-250mgs for 8-12 weeks before bumping it back up to 500mgs again.
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well... I am 42 years old. 182cm 90kg and a fat % about 10-12 for the last years. I work out at least 3 times a week, and I run/fast walk 6km every day with my dog...
I have been on 250mg/week testo for the last 6 years. Sometimes adding HGH (3 units) for 6 months and also some tren 50mg/eod for 6 weeks... maybe once a year.
I do regular check up (every 6 month). I am married, and we just had a baby healthy as hell...
Donīt ask me why I stayed on for this long... lot of personal shit and bad relationships... And I figured as long as my results are ok...
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I think its just a matter of choosing the dose that puts you at the high end of the normal range or even a little above. Some experimentation is needed to see where you feel the best, but a lot of guys like to be around 1200.
I have two friends that get prescribed 300mgs of cyp per week because it literally takes them this much to get to the high end of the normal range. It puts them both about 1200 and they're docs are totally cool with this. I use 200mg/wk of cyp, my lowest point of the week is about 750-800 my peak is about 1100-1250. I generally feel fucking great here. I haven't tried going any lower though, so on my next cruise I might experiment with dropping down to 100-150/wk because I see some guys say they actually feel a bit better there.
This is still a very healthy range, these are not technically "supraphysiological" levels, however while on trt/cruising it's not necessary. These levels will mimic that of your teenage years, or close. If you want to maintain good health and see good performance I recommend trying to dial yourself in using bloodwork.
I also take a single 25mg Aromasin tablet on the day I take my injection and it points my E2 in the high end of the normal range. I feel the best here. Any lower and libido is effected.
It also wouldn't hurt to have your igf1 checked and see where you're at. On 3.5ius I can get igf1 close to 500ng/dl.
So basically 200mgs of test cyp, 25mg of Aromasin, and 3-4ius of HGH and I feel fucking amazing. 10 times better than I ever feel on any cycle. I would get bloodwork and take a look at total test, free test, e2, prolactin, progesterone, igf1, dht, t4/t3 and do your best to balance everything.
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Why is it so easy to get prescribed trt in the USA and not in Europe?
Are the medical doc in Europe morrons, old fashioned or are the USA doc crazy and foolish?
Why the difference? There must be a reason...
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Why is it so easy to get prescribed trt in the USA and not in Europe?
Are the medical doc in Europe morrons, old fashioned or are the USA doc crazy and foolish?
Why the difference? There must be a reason...
That's a very good question lol. Isn't there a few countries in Europe that it's legal to possess AAS without a prescription?
I don't know why European docs are the way they are, I will comment and say I don't necessarily think USA docs are crazy and foolish. I mean some are. Especially TRT docs, a good majority of them are fucking retarded when it comes to this stuff. In reality though, there are a ton of adult males suffering from low testosterone symptoms, and it just doesn't have to be this way. Most of them are to proud to seek help, or just don't know any better. I don't think USA docs are foolish for trying to treat patients suffering from low levels of hormones, I do however, think a good majority of them could do a better job with their protocols.
For instance, I've heard about so many docs who won't even consider treating low t unless your under 300 total test. Theres docs that don't even consider estradiol whatsoever, or keep tabs on rbc/hemoglobin/hematocrit.
It's not that hard to get a prescription here, it can be difficult finding a competent doctor. Most of us just prefer to do it on our own. After you learn enough, you're actually better off this way. The only good thing I really think about having a prescription is the legality of it.
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But what about Prostate enlargement? or heart diseases?
Why the medical doc in Europe (Netherlands) are so against the use of AAS (Testosteron, Deca)?
Doc become wild and agressive when they hear about it
What a difference in the USA! Is it quite normal in the USA to use AAS?
Because those docs are idiots. They won't treat you unless basically you are suicidal due to low test. They refused to treat me when my test was at 216, age 40. The endo said it was very low (his exact words!) but he still would not do anything unless it went below 180. Meanwhile my father, who was 69 at the time, got tested in the high 300s. Having much lower test than my retired father still wasn't considered a reason to give me test. Fuck doctors, most are morons with an IQ barely over 120 anyway.
Misschien dat ze in A'dam of R'dam wat liberaler zijn, maar waar ik woon absoluut niet.
On topic: Just had a full sports medical assessment (including cardiac stress test, blood markers, etc.) done a few weeks ago, after nearly 4 years of not being off. Healthy as fuck, even for being fat, having an irregular work schedule and not doing a lot of cardio.
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That's a very good question lol. Isn't there a few countries in Europe that it's legal to possess AAS without a prescription?
I don't know why European docs are the way they are, I will comment and say I don't necessarily think USA docs are crazy and foolish. I mean some are. Especially TRT docs, a good majority of them are fucking retarded when it comes to this stuff. In reality though, there are a ton of adult males suffering from low testosterone symptoms, and it just doesn't have to be this way. Most of them are to proud to seek help, or just don't know any better. I don't think USA docs are foolish for trying to treat patients suffering from low levels of hormones, I do however, think a good majority of them could do a better job with their protocols.
For instance, I've heard about so many docs who won't even consider treating low t unless your under 300 total test. Theres docs that don't even consider estradiol whatsoever, or keep tabs on rbc/hemoglobin/hematocrit.
It's not that hard to get a prescription here, it can be difficult finding a competent doctor. Most of us just prefer to do it on our own. After you learn enough, you're actually better off this way. The only good thing I really think about having a prescription is the legality of it.
Only in Poland AAS is legit but i am not sure about it.
What you mentioned above sounds legit to me.
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Because those docs are idiots. They won't treat you unless basically you are suicidal due to low test. They refused to treat me when my test was at 216, age 40. The endo said it was very low (his exact words!) but he still would not do anything unless it went below 180. Meanwhile my father, who was 69 at the time, got tested in the high 300s. Having much lower test than my retired father still wasn't considered a reason to give me test. Fuck doctors, most are morons with an IQ barely over 120 anyway.
Misschien dat ze in A'dam of R'dam wat liberaler zijn, maar waar ik woon absoluut niet.
On topic: Just had a full sports medical assessment (including cardiac stress test, blood markers, etc.) done a few weeks ago, after nearly 4 years of not being off. Healthy as fuck, even for being fat, having an irregular work schedule and not doing a lot of cardio.
Youre right but maybe those "morons" handle this protocol with a reason?
I dont know but in general i completly agree with you. Here they do nothing unless you are nearly dead...
Bye the way are you Dutch? :P Where do you live in the Netherlands? South?
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Youre right but maybe those "morons" handle this protocol with a reason?
I dont know but in general i completly agree with you. Here they do nothing unless you are nearly dead...
Bye the way are you Dutch? :P Where do you live in the Netherlands? South?
Those morons fucked up so many of my family, and recently also botched my nose surgery, so I have lost all respect for the medical profession.
And yes, Dutch. Drechtsteden.
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Why is it so easy to get prescribed trt in the USA and not in Europe?
Are the medical doc in Europe morrons, old fashioned or are the USA doc crazy and foolish?
Why the difference? There must be a reason...
There isn't enough conclusive evidence available yet to determine if it's truly safe or not. That's probably why the european doctors are more conservative in their approach.
In the US, it can be very lucrative to open and run an "anti-aging" clinic, which is why the doctors are quicker to prescribe it here
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well... I am 42 years old. 182cm 90kg and a fat % about 10-12 for the last years. I work out at least 3 times a week, and I run/fast walk 6km every day with my dog...
I have been on 250mg/week testo for the last 6 years. Sometimes adding HGH (3 units) for 6 months and also some tren 50mg/eod for 6 weeks... maybe once a year.
I do regular check up (every 6 month). I am married, and we just had a baby healthy as hell...
Donīt ask me why I stayed on for this long... lot of personal shit and bad relationships... And I figured as long as my results are ok...
How do you feel on 50mgs of tren eod? This sounds like a good protocol to me. Specifically, the test and the HGH. 6 years and no problems?
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There isn't enough conclusive evidence available yet to determine if it's truly safe or not. That's probably why the european doctors are more conservative in their approach.
In the US, it can be very lucrative to open and run an "anti-aging" clinic, which is why the doctors are quicker to prescribe it here
I think you're right about it. Another thing is maybe that the USA is more progressive in thinking and the way being than in Europe