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Re: Zimmerman - Self Defense or Police Cover Up?
« Reply #1775 on: April 11, 2012, 08:33:48 PM »
The kid attacked Zimmerman.  Zimmerman`s monitoring is legal and is common practice for Neighborhood Watch volunteers.   The police report states all of this, including Zimmerman`s injuries.  Why didn`t Trayvon call the cops if he felt threatened instead of trying to beat up an innocent man who did nothing but defend himself?



The fact that there were 8 recent break ins in the neighborhood does not dawn on these people.

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Re: Zimmerman - Self Defense or Police Cover Up?
« Reply #1776 on: April 11, 2012, 08:36:14 PM »
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/upshot/mike-tyson-sex-drugs-trayvon-martin-222803402.html

Its a long interview about Sex, Drugs, and interviewer slipped him a Trayvon Quesiton......









As a black kid who grew up in Brooklyn, who was beat up, and then moved to the Catskills, and has had to deal with racial issues, what are your thoughts about the Trayvon Martin case?


My personal feeling is that, as a young kid that was beat on by a bully, the guy [Zimmerman] stalked him and didn't follow instructions from a superior officer. But my all-around perspective, I wasn't there. I don't know what happened. Even though this is the best country in the world, certain laws in this country are a disgrace to a nation of savages. It's a majority versus a minority. That's the way God planned it. He didn't want to do something about it, He wanted us to do something about it. We have to continue tweeting, we have to continue marching, we have to continue fighting for Trayvon Martin. If that's not the case, he was killed in vain, and we're just waiting for it to happen to our children. It's a disgrace that man hasn't been dragged out of his house and tied to a car and taken away. Forget about him being arrested—the fact that he hasn't been shot yet is a disgrace. That's how I feel personally about it. [Laughs]



God bless you kid dynamite.  :)

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Re: Zimmerman - Self Defense or Police Cover Up?
« Reply #1777 on: April 11, 2012, 08:37:06 PM »
The fact that there were 8 recent break ins in the neighborhood does not dawn on these people.
Exactly.  The fact that its completely legal to monitor your neighborhood and call the police/follow someone who may be up to no good also eludes them.  

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Re: Zimmerman - Self Defense or Police Cover Up?
« Reply #1778 on: April 11, 2012, 08:40:14 PM »
Joe Oliver: Zimmerman Friend Recounts Blowback From fellow Blacks
The Grio ^ | Joy-Ann Reid
Posted on April 11, 2012 7:04:30 PM EDT by nickcarraway

With the firestorm over, but outrage over the Trayvon Martin shooting continuing to build, theGrio spoke with Joe Oliver, a friend and defender of George Zimmerman, who also happens to be black, a day after the 1-month anniversary of the fatal shooting.

"Now I get 'the look.'"

Joe Oliver used to be known in the Orlando area as a news professional, working for more than 20 years as a reporter and anchor for a local NBC station and for CNN. Now, the 53-year-old is known as the black man who is supporting George Zimmerman, the man who shot and killed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.

Oliver, who has known Zimmerman since the 28-year-old began dating the woman he's now married to ("his mother in law is a close friend of my wife's," Oliver told theGrio), reached out to Zimmerman's lawyer, Craig Sonner, after he was unable to reach his friend as the uproar over the shooting grew. He asked if it was okay for him to speak on Zimmerman's behalf.

"My conversations with George were to confirm what I had been told via his relatives, and also to confirm that I was doing the right thing by standing up for him," Oliver told theGrio. He said Zimmerman, who is in hiding, is being treated for "post-traumatic stress [syndrome], insomnia and depression."

By coming forward, Oliver knowingly exposed himself to the same firestorm that engulfed his friend. "But I was quite adamant that I could not live with myself if I did not do what I knew was the right thing to do," Oliver said. "And that, unfortunately, has put me in this position. I do come from an extremely unique perspective, not just being George's friend but being an African-American. Because I understand the outrage. If I didn't know George, I too would be outraged. Because of the history of the Sanford police department I would question the information that was being leaked; the validity of the information regardless of who they put in front of the camera. I get all that. But I am in a unique position, in that I know George. And I know that there's no way he would have put himself in a position where he's in hiding, if he didn't believe he had to save his life."

Oliver reiterated -- and said he believes -- Zimmerman's story about being attacked by Trayvon Martin on the night of February 26th, and said Zimmerman told him that he fired his gun after a "life and death struggle" with the teen.

He has not been to the rallies. He has not yet spoken with black friends about the incident. But he did talk with Rev. Jesse Jackson after a chance meeting in hotel lobby in nearby Lake Mary, where he had gone to do an interview Monday.

"I told this to Rev. Jackson yesterday...in the stereotypical big picture, race is the issue. But when it comes down to what happened with Trayvon and George, race had nothing to do with it."

Oliver said he and Jackson talked briefly about the contagion of fear that has made life challenging for young black men, and that, he believes, is the real story in the Trayvon Martin saga.

This "has been building up for decades," Oliver said, "George and Trayvon, they're just the match."

"The sad part is that all of this has just perpetuated the stereotype that has raised the voices of millions because of what has happened, and how young black men are portrayed," Oliver continued. "The problem is, everyone is at fault: the media. Young black men, whites.... Everyone's responsible. And we're at a point where no one is willing to step back and take a look, and take responsibility for their own actions. I mean we're at a point where millions of people are calling for justice and yet they're willing to take justice away from one man."

And how does he feel about being on what many in the African-American community would consider the wrong side of the Trayvon Martin case?

"Let's just say now I get 'the look,' when I'm recognized [by black people]," Oliver said. "There have been veiled threats; not directly towards me, but there have been individuals that have found out where I work, and they have made contact with the executives of my company, trying to get me fired because of what I'm doing."

"I wasn't there. I didn't shoot Trayvon. But I also know that if George hadn't shot Trayvon, Trayvon would have shot George. I'm saying it was a life and death struggle; after that initial blow, it turned into life and death struggle and at some point a decision had to be made about saving a life. And that's what he did." Oliver said he has not talked with black friends about the incident. But he said his wife and everyone else who knows George is scared. He said that even if there are others who know Zimmerman and believe his story, they're afraid to come forward.

"There's a bunch of people out there who are acting in just the same way they claim George acted that night. Where's the justice in that?"

And Oliver, who said that he personally has faced racial discrimination and profiling, even as a prominent news anchor in Central Florida, said he feels it's important to have the conversation about race that the Trayvon Martin case has started.

"It's more than just George. Our country's on the edge. Our country's on the edge because of the history of young black men in this country," Oliver said, adding that much of the fault lies in the way the media portrays young black men.

"George isn't the only Floridian walking around with a gun. There are several others walking around with a gun. In fact I would guarantee that every person in Florida who made the effort to get a concealed weapons permit does not leave home without their weapon," Oliver said. "They got the concealed weapons permit because they're afraid, and they want to be able to confront that fear if it becomes a reality. And that's really at the root of all of this. Until we address the fear that we have, for our own selves and for each other, we're never going to further the conversation. There's never gonna be justice. Because there's always going to be somebody out there who says I did this because I'm afraid ...or I'm going to do this because I'm afraid."

"I mean, we have this issue about those profiling of young black men because people are afraid of them," Oliver said, becoming emotional, "That doesn't mean every young black male is someone you should be afraid of. But the portrayal of young black men, in the media, in the stories, I mean, we will hear every story that involves a young black male and some sort of felony crime....We will not hear every story of a young black male graduating from high school, graduating from college, putting himself through college, going on and being a successful individual..."

Oliver's voice breaks on the phone, "...and raising a family, so he can have another young black male to go out there and carry on his own legacy, and try to do something, where we can get rid of this fear, and he doesn't have to be told as he's growing up: 'okay look son, this is what you're going to have to deal with as a black man in this country.'"

"Okay? So that's where I'm at. I'm on both sides. I'm on the side of George because George did what he had to do. And I truly believe that if we weren't talking about George shooting Trayvon, we'd be talking about another young black man who shot someone else."

And if George's story turns out not to be true?

"I'm at the front of the million hoodie march."


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Re: Zimmerman - Self Defense or Police Cover Up?
« Reply #1779 on: April 11, 2012, 08:58:27 PM »
Why don't you ask the REPUBLICAN state prosecuter...and can you fucking fags stop crying about Jessie jackson and sharpton. They've never had influence over anything in this country. Just two loud mouth opportunists. Same as that gloria albright feminist girl lawyer always getting involved with any scandal involving a woman. Same fucking trash. Jackson was exposed along time ago trying to shakedown companies for money as well as making racist comments himself. He has zero credibility same as sharpton. You crybabies are all butthurt claiming this is a travesty of justice as if you've gone over all the evidence and talked to the witnesses yourselves. The only fucking information you have is from the media, the same fucking media you Bitch about non stop. When did white men turn to such fucking whining pussies? Wah we got it so bad. Wah they all gonna come get us. Shut the Fuck up already.

my only regret is that the Dago who stabbed fat al in Brooklyn did not shove the knife in far enough. 

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Re: Zimmerman - Self Defense or Police Cover Up?
« Reply #1780 on: April 11, 2012, 09:00:22 PM »
Why do you keep making these ridiculous comparisons that aren't even remotely the same? This was a fucking kid walking back home from the store not somebody trying to cross the border illegally.

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Re: Zimmerman - Self Defense or Police Cover Up?
« Reply #1781 on: April 11, 2012, 09:17:09 PM »
awesome point
The kid attacked Zimmerman.  Zimmerman`s monitoring is legal and is common practice for Neighborhood Watch volunteers.   The police report states all of this, including Zimmerman`s injuries.  Why didn`t Trayvon call the cops if he felt threatened instead of trying to beat up an innocent man who did nothing but defend himself?

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Re: Zimmerman - Self Defense or Police Cover Up?
« Reply #1782 on: April 11, 2012, 09:17:36 PM »
i personaly think tyson is a disgrace and should maybe go back to africa with all the remaining "trayvons" haha what a name.. .tray von....hahaha ni.gers attempting to give white sounding names to their offsprings. There are no white people to bring them down there. So why dont they go back in their peaceful, perfect motherland? Get the fuck out? go build your own united states of africa in ...africa, as simple as that.

Lol at tyson giving advices to people or exposing his interpretation of God's words.

On a die note, this little story will maybe teach guys to dress corectly , stop wearing hoodies and pretending to be gangsters, in order to avoid being shot at by asians, whites or mexicans.

Its really funny when dumb idiotic whits like you tell black people to go back to the motherland...meanwhile Africa is your motherland as well you dumb fuck..we all originated from there

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Re: Zimmerman - Self Defense or Police Cover Up?
« Reply #1783 on: April 11, 2012, 09:19:44 PM »
Its really funny when dumb idiotic whits like you tell black people to go back to the motherland...meanwhile Africa is your motherland as well you dumb fuck..we all originated from there
hahaha what are you, a 15 yo hippy repeating just like  parrot what his communist teacher told him?
Newsflash, there is no real scientific data proving "we all originate from africa". We have no clue about our origins, even now in 2012 . All we have are theories, guesses, biased guesses emited by 99.9% of the time leftist "scientists" with an agenda. Tomorow one of them could discover something that would say the exact oposite. Grow the fuck up and maybe one day you ll understand real life shitstain.

Also THEY claim it's their "holy" motherland every chance they get, where all their brothers and "fathers" are. The original eden and other bullshits. Good news, you can leave the white man countries anytime and "free" yourself from his "racism". Get the fuck out! Go "civilize" your "brothers" ! Haha dumbfucks, we all know you wont, cause the only purpose of your existence is to parasite the white man's societies, you hypocrits. Cause you cant contribute, you dont want to. You only contribute to your owns hoping to one day take the place of the white man. But it's never ever gonna happen unfortunately.

Without white men evangelizing them they wouldnt even have a clue about who that "God" guy is.

What an ignorant, brainwashed, little twat you are.

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Re: Zimmerman - Self Defense or Police Cover Up?
« Reply #1784 on: April 11, 2012, 09:21:41 PM »
I have no problems with Tyson's opinion, he himself was fucked over by a black whore, and a white Indiana jury ...

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Re: Zimmerman - Self Defense or Police Cover Up?
« Reply #1785 on: April 11, 2012, 09:27:28 PM »
Here is a good post I found on another website:



4 minutes ago (12:16 AM)
I wish George Zimmerman a fair trial.

I believe that Zimmerman acted in self defense. I believe he walked away from Trayvon Martin and that Martin then approached him, at which time a fight broke out.

Zimmerman's nose was broken and the back of his head had a huge knot on it that could be seen in the video, taken AFTER he had been cleaned up. These injuries had to have happened before the fatal shot was fired. I believe medical records will prove Zimmerman's injuries.

Something that really clinched things for me, was when the funeral man spoke of Martin's body not having any other evidence of a fight (no other injuries). If Zimmerman had started the physical fight and been the aggressive one there would have been other injuries on Martin.

When I put together the injuries to Zimmerman, the lack of other injuries to Martin (before the fatal gun shot) and the 9/11 calls from people witnessing the on-the-ground fight, I could not help but conclude that Zimmerman acted in self-defense.

Note: Being followed by a neighborhood watch man is not grounds to physically attack the neighborhood watch man. If Zimmerman was really out to just shoot Martin he would have had his gun out and Martin would never have gotten a punch in, much less been able to pound Zimmerman's head into the ground.

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Re: Zimmerman - Self Defense or Police Cover Up?
« Reply #1786 on: April 11, 2012, 09:33:06 PM »
Yeah zimmerman really ran after that kid who was doing nothing wrong, then proceded calmly to kill him with a summary execution for no reasons other than being " a racist who was looking for a young black male to shoot".

Sure.


Perfectly objective analysis of what happened. Makes sense right?



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Re: Zimmerman - Self Defense or Police Cover Up?
« Reply #1787 on: April 11, 2012, 09:34:18 PM »
This will go to trial, and unfortunately will be found not guilty , but will have a life time of lawyer bills ahead of him, will die in a bar later in his life, just like the coward Robert Ford ;D

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Re: Zimmerman - Self Defense or Police Cover Up?
« Reply #1788 on: April 11, 2012, 09:36:37 PM »
This will go to trial, and unfortunately will be found not guilty , but will have a life time of lawyer bills ahead of him, will die in a bar later in his life, just like the coward Robert Ford ;D

he obviously was playing cop as a excuse to start some shit. Well, he got it.

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Re: Zimmerman - Self Defense or Police Cover Up?
« Reply #1789 on: April 11, 2012, 09:39:29 PM »

Do you believe that da blacks are descendants of Canaan?


Nah, more like the descendants of SATAN.

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Re: Zimmerman - Self Defense or Police Cover Up?
« Reply #1790 on: April 11, 2012, 09:50:06 PM »
he obviously was playing cop as a excuse to start some shit. Well, he got it.
No.  He was carrying out his duties as the Neighborhood Watch Man and was violently attacked and simply defended himself.

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Re: Zimmerman - Self Defense or Police Cover Up?
« Reply #1791 on: April 11, 2012, 09:55:50 PM »
When it comes out that he didn't sustain a broken nose or any head trauma what will you say then?
If it is revealed that Zimmerman's nose was broken and or suffered any head trauma I will post a video apology and have my account deleted.
I will hold you to that.

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Re: Zimmerman - Self Defense or Police Cover Up?
« Reply #1792 on: April 11, 2012, 10:03:58 PM »
Nah, more like the descendants of SATAN.

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Re: Zimmerman - Self Defense or Police Cover Up?
« Reply #1793 on: April 11, 2012, 11:05:19 PM »
I believe zimmerman killed the kid in self defense.  being a fat softie, he probably did feel ffear for his life after a hit to the nose and a knock on the head.  that part is legal.

my belief is that he exaggerated shit in the interview with police.  you can't do that.  We know he was exaggerating shit on the phone - "he looks to be on drugs, he is reaching for his waistband, now there's somethign in his hand...."

that shit is drama qqueen talk.  Exaggerating and puffing shit up to sound more serious.  If he did it following someone, i'm pretty sure he did the same with a dead kid on his hands.  So IMO, the police saw inconsistencies, and realized they have to charge him. 

I think this is why he'll be charged - cause he didn't just say "i got hit twice and feared for my life".   He claimed to be smashed against concrete for 40 straight seconds.  Doesn't match the tape or the injuries.

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Re: Zimmerman - Self Defense or Police Cover Up?
« Reply #1794 on: April 11, 2012, 11:33:02 PM »
Nah, more like the descendants of SATAN.
How about we look for a JOB for you, tomorrow? Give you something productive to do with your life, eh?

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Re: Zimmerman - Self Defense or Police Cover Up?
« Reply #1795 on: April 11, 2012, 11:44:35 PM »
repiblican prosecutor charging a democrat obama voter who did the shooting. 

33, do politics matter here?

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Re: Zimmerman - Self Defense or Police Cover Up?
« Reply #1796 on: April 11, 2012, 11:49:45 PM »
repiblican prosecutor charging a democrat obama voter who did the shooting. 

33, do politics matter here?
Politics matter in any year, let alone an electoral one. Where's the old, decisive/divisive 240?   

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Re: Zimmerman - Self Defense or Police Cover Up?
« Reply #1797 on: April 12, 2012, 01:03:31 AM »


america gets pwned by the black people lol reverse slavery is coming


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Re: Zimmerman - Self Defense or Police Cover Up?
« Reply #1798 on: April 12, 2012, 01:11:02 AM »
america gets pwned by the black people lol reverse slavery is coming
Actually, I find this case is really interesting. That's wrong. The case is beside the point, Trayvon's demise notwithstanding. It's the reactions which I find interesting, revealing. You've got seriously unresolved issues of race, gun control and rage, all wrapped up in political and economic uncertainty.

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Re: Zimmerman - Self Defense or Police Cover Up?
« Reply #1799 on: April 12, 2012, 04:29:53 PM »
Actually, I find this case is really interesting. That's wrong. The case is beside the point, Trayvon's demise notwithstanding. It's the reactions which I find interesting, revealing. You've got seriously unresolved issues of race, gun control and rage, all wrapped up in political and economic uncertainty.

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