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Quite the choir boy.
George Zimmerman's Lawyer Wants Jurors To See Photos Of Handgun, Pot Plants Found On Trayvon Martin's Cell Phone
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In a bid to muddy up Trayvon Martin in advance of trial, a lawyer for George Zimmerman has released photos of a handgun and marijuana plants that were found on the late teenager’s cell phone.
In a court filing today, attorney Mark O’Mara listed documents and images he “intends to introduce into evidence” during the criminal case against Zimmerman, who has been charged with murdering Martin. The 17-year-old was shot to death in February 2012 by Zimmerman (who claims that he fired in self-defense while being attacked by the unarmed teenager).
Included in the photos that O’Mara says he wants jurors to see are two images extracted from Martin’s Huawei phone showing a Smith & Wesson handgun and clip. In one photo (seen above) the weapon appears to be held by the person who snapped the photo. The second photo shows the gun and clip atop what appears to be a soiled mattress.
Two other photos from Martin’s phone show potted marijuana plants.
O’Mara has also notified Florida prosecutors that he will try to introduce text messages from Martin’s phone. Those messages include exchanges dealing with Martin’s suspension from school for fighting and his mother’s decision that he needed to move in with his father (from whom she was divorced). “My mom just told me i gotta mov wit my dad,” read one November 2011 message that was followed up with a text noting, “She just kickd me out : (.”
Other texts on Martin’s phone appear to refer to his use of marijuana and the offer of a gun.
Days before Martin was killed, his father sent a text with advice about how his son should behave and show respect. “Show them that you a good kid and you want positive things around you. Be a big brother and not a DONKEY …… LOVE DAD.”
O’Mara also wants to introduce several photos of Martin, including one image (seen below) showing him giving two middle fingers to the camera.
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http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/Trayvon-Martin-evidence-photos-679832
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Pretty safe to assume that if Tray was armed, Zimm would be the one fatally shot.
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Pretty safe to assume that if Tray was armed, Zimm would be the one fatally shot.
safe to say he'd probably have been justified.
if a fat armed man chases me for two blocks at night, i doubt it's tea and crumpets time when he cuts through the yard and intercepts me.
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Suspended from school for fighting just twelve days before he beat the crap out of Zimmerman. Uh, yeah . . . .
In one of the text conversations, sent 12 days before his death, Martin tells a friend he has been suspended from school for fighting.
"Why you not in school?" a text he receives asks.
"Suspended."
"I thought you was going out with ur friend," the reply says.
"Naw my ol g say she dont want me home caus she think ima get in mo trouble," he texts back.
Martin's texts also indicate he may have been curious about guns.
"U gotta gun?" reads a text from Martin's phone, sent on Feb. 18, 2012, to a friend of his who was on the phone with him on the night of the shooting.
"You want a 22 revolver" asks someone in a text he receives that day.
Three days later, Martin mentioned a caliber of gun while asking a friend in another text, "U wanna share a .380 w.[redacted]?"
Other texts released allude to problems Martin was having at home and with authorities.
"My mom just told me i gotta mov wit my dad," says one from Nov. 22, 2011. "She just kickd me out."
Later that day, a text says, "Da police caught me outta skool."
Marijuana references are scattered throughout the texts. Some of the newly released photos show Martin blowing smoke and what appear to be marijuana plants.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/23/18449794-zimmerman-defense-releases-texts-about-guns-fighting-from-trayvon-martins-phone?lite
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Quite the choir boy.
George Zimmerman's Lawyer Wants Jurors To See Photos Of Handgun, Pot Plants Found On Trayvon Martin's Cell Phone
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In a bid to muddy up Trayvon Martin in advance of trial, a lawyer for George Zimmerman has released photos of a handgun and marijuana plants that were found on the late teenager’s cell phone.
In a court filing today, attorney Mark O’Mara listed documents and images he “intends to introduce into evidence” during the criminal case against Zimmerman, who has been charged with murdering Martin. The 17-year-old was shot to death in February 2012 by Zimmerman (who claims that he fired in self-defense while being attacked by the unarmed teenager).
Included in the photos that O’Mara says he wants jurors to see are two images extracted from Martin’s Huawei phone showing a Smith & Wesson handgun and clip. In one photo (seen above) the weapon appears to be held by the person who snapped the photo. The second photo shows the gun and clip atop what appears to be a soiled mattress.
Two other photos from Martin’s phone show potted marijuana plants.
O’Mara has also notified Florida prosecutors that he will try to introduce text messages from Martin’s phone. Those messages include exchanges dealing with Martin’s suspension from school for fighting and his mother’s decision that he needed to move in with his father (from whom she was divorced). “My mom just told me i gotta mov wit my dad,” read one November 2011 message that was followed up with a text noting, “She just kickd me out : (.”
Other texts on Martin’s phone appear to refer to his use of marijuana and the offer of a gun.
Days before Martin was killed, his father sent a text with advice about how his son should behave and show respect. “Show them that you a good kid and you want positive things around you. Be a big brother and not a DONKEY …… LOVE DAD.”
O’Mara also wants to introduce several photos of Martin, including one image (seen below) showing him giving two middle fingers to the camera.
(http://i.cdn.turner.com/dr/teg/tsg/release/sites/default/files/assets/tmfingerssmall.jpg)
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/Trayvon-Martin-evidence-photos-679832
Yea, not a great guy, but I'm not sure what any of it has to do with what went down that night. Maybe it establishes a pattern of violence, I'm not sure?
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The point is that the prosecution wants to introduce evidence gleamed from the cell phone which helps their case and (I haven't been paying very close attention to this case) in all likelihood, they want to cast negative aspersions on Zimmermans character.
Unless the judge is a total shitbag, the jury will probably end up being exposed to both sides of the coin. I think the prosecution made a huge mistake here. Once the door is opened to character testimony about Zimmerman, the same can be thrown back at the jury about Martin.
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Yea, not a great guy, but I'm not sure what any of it has to do with what went down that night. Maybe it establishes a pattern of violence, I'm not sure?
Zimmerman thought the kid looked suspicisous. Thought he looked like he was on drugs. Turns out, the kid was on drugs, had recently been suspended for fighting, had also been in trouble for carrying burglery tools. I think it's all part of the narrative and tends to support Zimmerman's story.
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Trayvon was on a path to destruction regardless. Zimm did everyone a favor.
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Was he on drugs THAT night? Was he under the influence of anything when this happened? What did the toxicology report say? When did Zimm receive training on how to spot and determine someone on drugs? From a distance? In the dark?
^^ Empty bullshit that the defense will shred in a microsecond.
That being said I have to agree that Tray was not a model citizen and certainly did not appear to be making any effort to get off the path he was on.
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Trayvon could be posing with a missle launcher and a machete....doesn't make a difference. He was not armed that night and wasn't committing any crimes.
Judge always ruled the pictures inadmissible as it doesn't pertain to the case. Its also never a good idea to go after the victim in the trial...people don't like that no matter who the person was.
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if a fat armed man chases me for two blocks at night, i doubt it's tea and crumpets time when he cuts through the yard and intercepts me.
You know that's complete bullshit, every time you said it...
You would have stopped and talked to him just like any decent person. At the very least, you would have ignored him and walked on.
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Trayvon could be posing with a missle launcher and a machete....doesn't make a difference. He was armed that night and wasn't committing any crimes.
Judge always ruled the pictures inadmissible as it doesn't pertain to the case. Its also never a good idea to go after the victim in the trial...people don't like that no matter who the person was.
I was unaware that Trayvon was armed. Or was this a typo?
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I was unaware that Trayvon was armed. Or was this a typo?
typo...just had an Ice Tea and some Skittles
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You know that's complete bullshit, every time you said it...
You would have stopped and talked to him just like any decent person. At the very least, you would have ignored him and walked on.
I disagree. If someone is just running at me in an aggressive manner, i fear for my life. i draw weapon as I anticipate a pretty big threat - if I have fled two blocks in night and he's still chasing me.
"What do you want, man" is a nice chance for him to blast me.
Drawing my weapon, pointing down but ready to end a serious threat is what I would do. I mean, a grown man chasing me two blocks in middle of night is some scary ass shit. NO WAY I choose to "ignore" him. and if his hand is on the butt of a gun? whew...
Maybe I'm just paranoid and other getbiggers would run two blocks then have a convo. If I"m chased 2 blocks, I'm 'swinging fists, bricks, whatever i have. This man didn't yell "stop, you forgot your wallet". He is calling him punk, a-hole, etc.
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Zimmerman thought the kid looked suspicisous. Thought he looked like he was on drugs. Turns out, the kid was on drugs, had recently been suspended for fighting, had also been in trouble for carrying burglery tools. I think it's all part of the narrative and tends to support Zimmerman's story.
A kid on drugs who wants a fight RUNS TWO BLOCKS to get away?
So much for that theory. And I didn't know mary jane turned people into mike tyson lol...
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Yea, not a great guy, but I'm not sure what any of it has to do with what went down that night. Maybe it establishes a pattern of violence, I'm not sure?
qft
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if the prosecution did this - released zimm's cell records a few days before trial, pics that made him look evil...
well, I think we'd all be calling the prosecution desperate and shady ;)
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A kid on drugs who wants a fight RUNS TWO BLOCKS to get away?
So much for that theory. And I didn't know mary jane turned people into mike tyson lol...
Do you ever tell the truth? I mean even just sometimes? ::)
Where is the evidence that Martin ran two blocks to get away from Zimmerman?
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2330068/George-Zimmerman-Marijuana-guns-fighting-New-photos-texts-Trayvon-Martins-cell-phone-paint-troubling-picture-slain-teen.html
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Do you ever tell the truth? I mean even just sometimes? ::)
Where is the evidence that Martin ran two blocks to get away from Zimmerman?
trayvon found dead 2 blocks from front gate where zimm said he was initially.
zimm said he was running.
pretty cut and dry.
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trayvon found dead 2 blocks from front gate where zimm said he was initially.
zimm said he was running.
pretty cut and dry.
No it isn't. You have no idea whether Martin was running two blocks, or whether he was running two blocks to get away from Zimmerman. Stop making stuff up.
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based off those pics...he deserved to die
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No it isn't. You have no idea whether Martin was running two blocks, or whether he was running two blocks to get away from Zimmerman. Stop making stuff up.
Zimm said he was walking at the front of the park. Zimm was staring at him taking details, and on the phone and packing heat. Trayvon ran. There are all FACTS.
Which of those is made up?
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based off those pics...he deserved to die
Or be president one day. Stark resemblence
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I love the thread title haha. I don't get how people who hate people like Trayvon so bad can defend a violent pervert like Zimmerman.
Probably the same folks who were calling Nicole Brown a whore instead of calling out OJ for nearly decapitating her. "Look, we totally found titty pics on her cell phone, and she used coke from time to time. Nicole Brown - Sex, Drugs, Whoring about" would be a nice thread title for that one haha.
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I love the thread title haha. I don't get how people who hate people like Trayvon so bad can defend a violent pervert like Zimmerman.
Probably the same folks who were calling Nicole Brown a whore instead of calling out OJ for nearly decapitating her. "Look, we totally found titty pics on her cell phone, and she used coke from time to time. Nicole Brown - Sex, Drugs, Whoring about" would be a nice thread title for that one haha.
I don't think it's the same folks, otherwise you would see more blacks defending Zimmerman.
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based off those pics...he deserved to die
I don't think anyone said or implied he deserved to die because of the pictures. But the pictures contradict the narrative we were initially given about this kid. Based on what I've seen and read, the kid was a violent thug. That manifested itself on the day he died. And he was dumb enough to beat down an armed man.
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Zimm said he was walking at the front of the park. Zimm was staring at him taking details, and on the phone and packing heat. Trayvon ran. There are all FACTS.
Which of those is made up?
This is made up:
A kid on drugs who wants a fight RUNS TWO BLOCKS to get away?
Where is the evidence Martin ran two blocks to get away from Zimmerman?
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This is made up:
Where is the evidence Martin ran two blocks to get away from Zimmerman?
the shooting happened two blocks from the front of park where zimm parked truck. Zimm said kid was running away.
zimm's cousin said he sexually abused her for a decade. I cannot believe you're still defending him. It's possible both he AND trayvon was scumbags, ya know.
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the shooting happened two blocks from the front of park where zimm parked truck. Zimm said kid was running away.
zimm's cousin said he sexually abused her for a decade. I cannot believe you're still defending him. It's possible both he AND trayvon was scumbags, ya know.
Like I said, you made it up. Zero evidence that Martin was running away from Zimmerman for two blocks.
Post the link to Zimmerman sexually abusing his cousin for a decade. I take nothing you say at face value. And what on earth does that have to do with you lying about Martin running away from Zimmerman for two blocks??
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Like I said, you made it up. Zero evidence that Martin was running away from Zimmerman for two blocks.
Post the link to Zimmerman sexually abusing his cousin for a decade. I take nothing you say at face value. And what on earth does that have to do with you lying about Martin running away from Zimmerman for two blocks??
I posted that link on another thread. FOX news :)
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I posted that link on another thread. FOX news :)
You posted a link. Very good. Now what does that have to do with you lying about Martin running away from Zimmerman for two blocks?
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You posted a link. Very good. Now what does that have to do with you lying about Martin running away from Zimmerman for two blocks?
It's what happened. Trayvon was running away, zimm said so himself. Was shot dead two weeks later.
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It's what happened. Trayvon was running away, zimm said so himself. Was shot dead two weeks later.
Not following you. What does the allegation made by Zimmerman's relative have to do with whether Trayvon was running away from Zimmerman for two blocks?
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Not following you. What does the allegation made by Zimmerman's relative have to do with whether Trayvon was running away from Zimmerman for two blocks?
I'm shocked people defend zimm. he abused his cousin, assaulted a cop, beat his woman, etc.
before that night, NO ONE here would have said he was a swell guy. Now? lol
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I'm shocked people defend zimm. he abused his cousin, assaulted a cop, beat his woman, etc.before that night, NO ONE here would have said he was a swell guy. Now? lol
The lying liar at it again. ::)
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I don't think anyone said or implied he deserved to die because of the pictures. But the pictures contradict the narrative we were initially given about this kid. Based on what I've seen and read, the kid was a violent thug. That manifested itself on the day he died. And he was dumb enough to beat down an armed man.
then what is the point of the pictures if they dont have any bearing on the situation that got him shot?
ill tell you... they were put out to crash his character and make the killing more understandable...
kind of like this board "see look at the pics, he was going to get shot anyway"
man thats see through as hell...
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The lying liar at it again. ::)
Pretty epic not answering the question.
Dude is brutal with his ability to take completely unrelated information and piece together a conclusion, and he believes it so deeply... it's hilarious.
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Pretty epic not answering the question.
Dude is brutal with his ability to take completely unrelated information and piece together a conclusion, and he believes it so deeply... it's hilarious.
Truth.
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Not following you. What does the allegation made by Zimmerman's relative have to do with whether Trayvon was running away from Zimmerman for two blocks?
what does he smoking weed have to do with him being shot..
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what does he smoking weed have to do with him being shot..
How many other young black males murdered since then that the media could give the slightest bit of a care about?
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How many other young black males murdered since then that the media could give the slightest bit of a care about?
Good question, the answer is ZERO.
This was just a good way to stir the racial pot, until it was found out that he was of Latin descent and of course it was an arrow in the quiver of the anti-gun brigade.
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then what is the point of the pictures if they dont have any bearing on the situation that got him shot?
ill tell you... they were put out to crash his character and make the killing more understandable...
kind of like this board "see look at the pics, he was going to get shot anyway"
man thats see through as hell...
I sort just explained what the point was. When I first heard about this all I saw were pictures of a little kid and heard about how he was gunned down, armed only with a pack of skittles. He looked like an innocent ten-year old kid in the picture.
Then we learn he was caught with burglery tools, suspended from school for fighting, smoking weed, and he was almost six feet tall. Does any of that mean he deserved to be shot? No. Does it give us a different perspective of this kid? Absolutely. I think it also makes it more likely that he was in fact beating the crap out of Zimmerman.
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what does he smoking weed have to do with him being shot..
Among other things, tt has to do with Zimmerman's belief that the kid looked like he was on drugs. And turns out he was.
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Among other things, tt has to do with Zimmerman's belief that the kid looked like he was on drugs. And turns out he was.
Tomorrow I'm going to drive around and hunt down people on drugs. I'll park and chase them two blocks thru the rainy night. Then, i'll start getting my ass kicked and blast my way out of it. I'll probably only pick on minors.
When I do this, I hope getbig is just as supportive :)
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Among other things, tt has to do with Zimmerman's belief that the kid looked like he was on drugs. And turns out he was.
on drugs?
it turns out he was on drugs?....was he tested for weed from that night
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Tomorrow I'm going to drive around and hunt down people on drugs. I'll park and chase them two blocks thru the rainy night. Then, i'll start getting my ass kicked and blast my way out of it. I'll probably only pick on minors.
When I do this, I hope getbig is just as supportive :)
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you're just lucky you're a grown up who won't run. I'm only going to hunt kids who will run away, that I outweigh by 60 pounds.
I'll probably start 2-3 fights a day. Really clean up the streets against people who aren't committing crimes, but you know, they look like they will.
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on drugs?
it turns out he was on drugs?....was he tested for weed from that night
i do believe the autopsy showed that he did have drugs in his system that night, I could be remembering wrong.
240 Id beat your monkey ass if I ever meet you, lol
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i do believe the autopsy showed that he did have drugs in his system that night, I could be remembering wrong.
240 Id beat your monkey ass if I ever meet you, lol
well dont get high or drink juice and it wont have to come to that
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on drugs?
it turns out he was on drugs?....was he tested for weed from that night
Yes.
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Yes.
there was a report that said he was high at the time of the shooting?
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240 Id beat your monkey ass if I ever meet you, lol
I am totally sure that is how it would go down. I'd probably cry and piss myself first too.
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Every pothead I have ever met who initially runs to get away is 100% likely to hide then turn into a crazed violent beast who says "I'm going to murder you tonight".
Every damn time. Like clockwork. Pot makes people crazy. Trayvon probably had a criminal record for assault on a cop, too, didn't he? I heard something about that.
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there was a report that said he was high at the time of the shooting?
AUTOPSY!!!!!...again I believe lol
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I am totally sure that is how it would go down. I'd probably cry and piss myself first too.
dont know about the piss yourself but Id definitely make you cry
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there was a report that said he was high at the time of the shooting?
The autopsy report said he had weed in his system.
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The autopsy report said he had weed in his system.
Martin's autopsy indicated that medical examiners found THC, the psychoactive ingredient in marijuana, when they tested Martin's blood and urine. The amount described in the autopsy report is such a low level that it would have played no role in Martin's behavior, said Larry Kobilinsky, a professor of forensic science at John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York.
"This kind of level can be seen days after somebody smokes," Kobilinsky said. "If it comes up in the case, I would be surprised. It wouldn't benefit the defense, it wouldn't benefit the prosecution, and if the defense tried to bring it up, the judge would keep it out."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/17/trayvon-martin-case-marijuana-found-in-blood_n_1525840.html
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Martin's autopsy indicated that medical examiners found THC, the psychoactive ingredient in marijuana, when they tested Martin's blood and urine. The amount described in the autopsy report is such a low level that it would have played no role in Martin's behavior, said Larry Kobilinsky, a professor of forensic science at John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York.
"This kind of level can be seen days after somebody smokes," Kobilinsky said. "If it comes up in the case, I would be surprised. It wouldn't benefit the defense, it wouldn't benefit the prosecution, and if the defense tried to bring it up, the judge would keep it out."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/17/trayvon-martin-case-marijuana-found-in-blood_n_1525840.html
Thank you for confirming what I said. But of course you knew this all along, but decided to ask set-up questions. Fail. :)
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Thank you for confirming what I said. But of course you knew this all along, but decided to ask set-up questions. Fail. :)
lol...you got me..
thank you thank you thank you
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lol...you got me..
thank you thank you thank you
:)
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Verrrry interesting. So Zimmerman tried to help a black homeless man who was beaten up, while Martin shot a video of his friends beating up a homeless man. How the worm turns.
May 31, 2013
Trayvon, George, and the Homeless Man
By Jack Cashill
At a pre-trial hearing on May 28, the attorney for accused murderer George Zimmerman, Mark O'Mara, slipped a time bomb into the public record that no one in the major media seemed to notice. It had to do with a homeless man, and the relationship between that man and the victim of Zimmerman's alleged crime, Trayvon Martin.
O'Mara's allusion had particular resonance in this case because Zimmerman first surfaced publicly in Sanford, Florida, in a case involving a homeless man. As it happened, in December 2010, a police lieutenant's son named Justin Collison sucker-punched a black homeless man named Sherman Ware outside a Sanford bar, with seeming impunity.
Although Ware suffered a concussion, and there was video evidence of Collison's action, no action was taken against Collison for nearly a month. Upset at the lack of media attention, Zimmerman and his wife Shellie printed fliers demanding that the community "hold accountable" officers responsible for any misconduct.
They then drove the fliers around to area churches and passed them out on a Sunday morning. Later, at a public meeting in January 2011, Zimmerman took the floor and said, "I would just like to state that the law is written in black and white. It should not and cannot be enforced in the gray for those that are in the thin blue line."
This meeting was recorded on video. As a result of the publicity, Police Chief Brian Tooley, whom Zimmerman blasted for his "illegal cover-up and corruption," was forced to resign.
Ironically, perhaps, Zimmerman headlined his fliers with a famous quote from Anglo-Irish statesman Edmund Burke: "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." He would have been better off quoting another Anglo-Irishman, Oscar Wilde: "No good deed goes unpunished."
The local NAACP, with whom Zimmerman worked on the Sherman Ware case, instinctively turned its back on him as soon as he was accused of racist profiling in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin. On March 26, a month after the shooting, George's older brother Robert sent an impassioned letter to local NAACP head Turner Clayton asking him to "call off the dogs. Period. Publicly and swiftly."
As Robert reminded Clayton, Zimmerman's "was the only non-black face in the meetings for justice" in the Ware case. "It's time for you to end the race issue in this matter and call for cooler heads to prevail," Robert pleaded -- but without success, or even the expectation of it.
Ware's attorney, in fact, was Natalie Jackson, now a key player on Team Trayvon. When the Zimmerman family talked publicly about George's involvement in the Ware case, Jackson denied that Zimmerman had handed out any fliers and dismissed the family's attempt to establish Zimmerman's commitment to racial justice. "It's a PR strategy, a propaganda campaign," said Jackson. "His friends and family are doing him a big disservice by race-baiting."
Although Judge Debra Nelson ruled against the inclusion of almost any negative information about Martin in the upcoming trial, the defense had managed to get much of that information into the public sphere. CNN, for instance, headlined its article on the May 28 ruling "Marijuana, fights, guns: Zimmerman loses key pretrial battles." Below the headline was a photo of the young Martin, a near-saint only months back, recycling a lungful of marijuana smoke. If nothing else, the media were catching on to Martin's less than saintly behavior.
The media missed, however, O'Mara's reference to homelessness and Martin's attitude towards it. O'Mara informed Judge Nelson that Martin had a keen interest in fighting and that he had video proof of the same. The charmless Nelson made one of her rare stabs at humor by implying that if attendance at a fight were proof of criminality, half of America would be in jail.
O'Mara countered by saying that Martin not only attended fights, but that he also recorded them on video, including "one where two buddies of his are beating up a homeless guy." The video recorded a crime. The State of Florida had had this video in possession for months and took no follow-up action. As O'Mara made clear at the most recent hearing, the State had concealed critical evidence all along. He even produced a whistleblower from the state attorney's office to hammer home his point.
Judge Nelson made no comment on the beating of the homeless man. She had a case to misdirect, and she wasn't about to quibble over something as insignificant as justice.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/05/trayvon_george_and_the_homeless_man.html
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zimmerman didn't do that to help the homeless guy. he did it to spit in the eye of cops. he hates cops. He shoved one, remember? plead out. Also he thought the cops would do a shitty job catching trayvon "these punks always get away" and thus he decided to take matters into his own hands.
He didn't help this dude because he gave a shit about homeless people - it was a chance to make cops look bad.
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zimmerman didn't do that to help the homeless guy. he did it to spit in the eye of cops. he hates cops. He shoved one, remember? plead out. Also he thought the cops would do a shitty job catching trayvon "these punks always get away" and thus he decided to take matters into his own hands.
He didn't help this dude because he gave a shit about homeless people - it was a chance to make cops look bad.
Wow. I'm speechless. You are something else 240.
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Wow. I'm speechless. You are something else 240.
240 - should go join the Prosecution pro-bono - ha ha ha ha
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Wow. I'm speechless. You are something else 240.
seriously, do you think zimm's goal was 100% "save homeless guy"?
Or do you think just a little bit of it was a chance to stick it to the cops? I know a lot of people who dislike cops - I don't know ANY who were actually crazy enough to SHOVE one of them. ZImmerman did. I mean, of all the mean, crazy, upset, angry jerks I know - NONE of them were batshit crazy enough to put their hands on a LEO.
BUT, if you're not convinced, you can read zimm's own words, complaining about the "thin blue line"
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seriously, do you think zimm's goal was 100% "save homeless guy"?
Or do you think just a little bit of it was a chance to stick it to the cops? I know a lot of people who dislike cops - I don't know ANY who were actually crazy enough to SHOVE one of them. ZImmerman did. I mean, of all the mean, crazy, upset, angry jerks I know - NONE of them were batshit crazy enough to put their hands on a LEO.
BUT, if you're not convinced, you can read zimm's own words, complaining about the "thin blue line"
Does anyone else find it ironic that 240 has been on a personal crusade to prove GZ's guilt since this idiotic story first broke? Based on 240's getbig persona, he is a mirror image to George Zimmerman in every conceivable way. Guilty conscience? I think so.
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seriously, do you think zimm's goal was 100% "save homeless guy"?
Or do you think just a little bit of it was a chance to stick it to the cops? I know a lot of people who dislike cops - I don't know ANY who were actually crazy enough to SHOVE one of them. ZImmerman did. I mean, of all the mean, crazy, upset, angry jerks I know - NONE of them were batshit crazy enough to put their hands on a LEO.
BUT, if you're not convinced, you can read zimm's own words, complaining about the "thin blue line"
240,
What gun laws have changed as a result of the Martin/Zimmerman case?
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240,
What gun laws have changed as a result of the Martin/Zimmerman case?
this is the same retard who argued that obama didnt want to go after guns after obama admitted he wanted an new AWB and he probably still says that obama doesnt want to go after guns.
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Does anyone else find it ironic that 240 has been on a personal crusade to prove GZ's guilt since this idiotic story first broke? Based on 240's getbig persona, he is a mirror image to George Zimmerman in every conceivable way. Guilty conscience? I think so.
Exactly what I've been thinking. Dude sees himself in zimmerman and doesn't like what he sees.
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240,
What gun laws have changed as a result of the Martin/Zimmerman case?
we do not yet know the damage. bloomberg's campaign of "ban stand your ground laws nationwide" won't start full throttle until the trial.
you remember. of course, that he waited until FIVE MINUTES after the zimmerman indictment to announce his initial campaign start. typical politician, never letting a crisis go to waste :( And once the trial starts, he'll be back with the campaign.
So it's very premature to say "this affects nothing" when trial hasn't begun yet. Did we see all of the fallout of the OJ case BEFORE the OJ trial started? Nope.
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we do not yet know the damage. bloomberg's campaign of "ban stand your ground laws nationwide" won't start full throttle until the trial.
you remember. of course, that he waited until FIVE MINUTES after the zimmerman indictment to announce his initial campaign start. typical politician, never letting a crisis go to waste :( And once the trial starts, he'll be back with the campaign.
So it's very premature to say "this affects nothing" when trial hasn't begun yet. Did we see all of the fallout of the OJ case BEFORE the OJ trial started? Nope.
240 you still believe that obama doesnt want to go after guns?
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we do not yet know the damage. bloomberg's campaign of "ban stand your ground laws nationwide" won't start full throttle until the trial.
you remember. of course, that he waited until FIVE MINUTES after the zimmerman indictment to announce his initial campaign start. typical politician, never letting a crisis go to waste :( And once the trial starts, he'll be back with the campaign.
So it's very premature to say "this affects nothing" when trial hasn't begun yet. Did we see all of the fallout of the OJ case BEFORE the OJ trial started? Nope.
Bloomberg has fuck all to do with Florida.
So, you can't name a single law that has changed as a result of this incident.
I really hope karma catches you someday and you're in a situation where the jury has already convicted you in the media.
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Kid was no saint but didn't deserve to die. The entire situation could have been avoided.
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Kid was no saint but didn't deserve to die. The entire situation could have been avoided.
absolutely agree with everything you said, zimmermans no saint either that doesnt mean he murdered the kid
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absolutely agree with everything you said, zimmermans no saint either that doesnt mean he murdered the kid
negligent homicide seems fair.
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240 you still believe that obama doesnt want to go after guns?
"want to"?
LOL
Are we talking about what the guy who lied about his birth cert "wants"?
Or are we talking about what he can realistically do?
I didn't pay much attention to it - was gun legislation ever even introduced? Or was this just an exercise in motivating the base for donations?
I might be mistaken - but the House never even saw any new gun legislation, correct?
So no matter what he "wants" - lmfao at that, Bush2 WANTED to keep that brady bill too lol - No matter what, we have nothing to worry bout. Jjust like I said.
In fact, obama never did "go after guns" with legislation, did he?
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"want to"?
LOL
Are we talking about what the guy who lied about his birth cert "wants"?
Or are we talking about what he can realistically do?
I didn't pay much attention to it - was gun legislation ever even introduced? Or was this just an exercise in motivating the base for donations?
I might be mistaken - but the House never even saw any new gun legislation, correct?
So no matter what he "wants" - lmfao at that, Bush2 WANTED to keep that brady bill too lol - No matter what, we have nothing to worry bout. Jjust like I said.
In fact, obama never did "go after guns" with legislation, did he?
where talking about his desires, that you denied for over 4 years and are still dancing around....
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where talking about his desires, that you denied for over 4 years and are still dancing around....
I denied his desires? lol it's getting a little sexual in here. Did I tell you he woudln't intro any new gun legislation? Yes, I did. Did I talk about his "desires"?
LOL... I didn't know we were talking about obama's desires in this trayvon thread.
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I denied his desires? lol it's getting a little sexual in here. Did I tell you he woudln't intro any new gun legislation? Yes, I did. Did I talk about his "desires"?
LOL... I didn't know we were talking about obama's desires in this trayvon thread.
LOL and now were down to poor deflection attempts....
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LOL and now were down to poor deflection attempts....
I don't remember us ever talking about 'desires'.
Obama and the Dems never intro'd any new gun legislation. And they never weill.
He might "desire" a 3-way with beyonce and the queen of england for all I know. Actions are all that matter in real life.
can we finally let that gun issue go now? Obama isn't going to take them. Ever. That's kinda been established.
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I don't remember us ever talking about 'desires'.
Obama and the Dems never intro'd any new gun legislation. And they never weill.
He might "desire" a 3-way with beyonce and the queen of england for all I know. Actions are all that matter in real life.
can we finally let that gun issue go now? Obama isn't going to take them. Ever. That's kinda been established.
do you remember denying obama wanted to go after guns even after he said he wanted a new AWB in the debates?
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do you remember denying obama wanted to go after guns even after he said he wanted a new AWB in the debates?
"wanted"?
I'm confused. Are we talking about any kind of legislation that would affect americans? Or just what the man's secret primal carnal desires would be?
I love to debate legislation and politics... but I don't care what Sarah Palin "wants" - it's just about what kind of legislation she would introduce. Or Obama - he's an illegal and he's a huge anti-gunner... but aside from raising $ for NRA and brady Bill, there was no gun legislation.
If I have debated with you want any politician "wants", well, that was just uber weird on my part lol.
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negligent homicide seems fair.
Fair based on what?
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The prosecutors want to use Zimmerman's membership in a martial arts gym as evidence, but keep out Martin's history of fighting? Really?
If Zimmerman got training at a martial arts gym, he needs to get his dang money back . . . .
Prosecutors: George Zimmerman applied to be a police officer
Pool / Reuters
By Tom Winter, James Novogrod and Tracy Connor, NBC News
Prosecutors in the Trayvon Martin shooting case have informed the court of a new exhibit that they claim shows defendant George Zimmerman once applied to become a police officer.
A filing by prosecutors this week included a description of an application from Zimmerman and a rejection letter from the Prince William County Police Department, but no explanation of what they plan to do with it.
NBC has not confirmed that the description is accurate. The filing said the police department was in Maryland, though Prince William County is in Virginia. The police department in Virginia could not immediately confirm Zimmerman had applied for a position there.
The new filings also suggest that the prosecution plans to make an issue out of Zimmerman's membership at a Florida martial arts gym, which bills itself as "the most complete fight gym in the world."
It's unclear how prosecutors plan to use that against the neighborhood watch volunteer, who says he was defending himself when he shot 17-year-old Martin on Feb. 26, 2012, in Sanford, Fla.
Zimmerman, 29, has pleaded not guilty to second-degree murder and his trial begins with jury selection on Monday.
In other filings this week, the defense asked Judge Debra Nelson to restrict prosecutors from using certain terms, such as "vigilante" and "wannabe cop."
The defense also want limits on the use of the phrase "profiled." Prosecutors have alleged that Zimmerman, who is white of Hispanic descent, profiled the black teen before the deadly confrontation.
The judge has not ruled on the motion. She did, however, agree with the defense that jurors names should be kept private, known only to the court and the lawyers and referred to by number in public.
The defense also wanted the jury pool to be sequestered, but Nelson ruled that "such drastic measures are unnecessary."
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06/05/18779269-prosecutors-george-zimmerman-applied-to-be-a-police-officer?lite
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Don't blame them for not wanting to have their identities disclosed. Remember what Spike Lee did?
Judge rules witnesses in George Zimmerman trial must testify publicly
Published June 06, 2013
Associated Press
SANFORD, Fla. – A Florida judge denied a defense request Thursday to let a handful of witnesses testify confidentially during George Zimmerman's trial for fatally shooting Trayvon Martin.
Defense attorney Mark O'Mara asked that the witnesses be allowed to testify out of the public eye because of concerns for their safety about testifying at the trial, which starts next week. He said their testimony could impact the jury's decision.
Prosecutors and attorneys for media groups objected to the request.
Circuit Judge Debra Nelson also heard testimony about whether a voice recognition expert will be allowed to testify at the trial. Cries for help can be heard in the background of 911 calls that Zimmerman's neighbors made during a struggle between the neighborhood watch volunteer and Martin before the unarmed teen was shot. Experts have reached mixed conclusions about whose voice is crying for help.
FBI voice expert Hirotaka Nakasone, who was testifying for the defense, said there wasn't enough clear sound on the 911 recording to determine whose voice it was. He also said the concept that individuals have unique voice-prints that could identify them was misleading.
"No one can speak in the same way twice," Nakasone said.
Testimony was to continue Friday and the judge didn't issue a ruling.
Zimmerman has pleaded not guilty to second-degree murder, claiming self-defense, in the racially charged case. A delay in Zimmerman's arrest led to protests nationwide. Martin was black. Zimmerman's father is white, and his mother is Hispanic.
The trial is expected to last more than a month.
The judge also considered a request from defense attorneys to sanction prosecutors for what the defense said amounts to withholding evidence. Zimmerman's attorneys alleged that prosecutors withheld deleted photos and text messages that came from Martin's cellphone. An attorney for a technology worker in the State Attorney's Office testified that he first brought the evidence to the attention of Zimmerman's attorneys after he was contacted by the technology worker.
The judge decided to suspend further testimony on sanctions, and any decision, until after the trial.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/06/06/judge-rules-witnesses-in-george-zimmerman-trial-must-testify-publicly/
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dont blame them at all, when you have ppl like 240 making up lie after lie to condemn someone without facts I wouldnt either
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dont blame them at all, when you have ppl like 240 making up lie after lie to condemn someone without facts I wouldnt either
No shit. They've already tried and convicted him in the media, and anyone that doesn't automatically condemn him as a cold blooded murderer is immediately a pariah.
Fuck people.
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Jury selection underway. They only need six jurors. I'm sure the media will let us know the precise makeup of the jury. ::)
I read the police report over the weekend. A couple things that jumped out at me:
- Comment from one of the officers on the scene: “While I was in such close contact with Zimmerman, I could observe that his back appeared to be wet and covered in grass, as if he had been laying on his back on the ground. Zimmerman was also bleeding from the nose and back of his head.”
- Another officer: “Zimmerman appeared to have a broken and bloody nose and swelling of his face.”
- Another officer: “At 1916, a 911 call, placed by [witness name redacted], was received where Zimmerman can be heard in the background frantically yelling for help.”
- A handwritten statement by a witness says she saw a man straddling another hitting the man on the bottom, and the man on the bottom was yelling for help.
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all kidding aside - IF ZImmerman is found guilty, who will be to blame?
Will it be all about "the MEEEEDIA" and "RACISMMMMMM" and all that other wedge, one-liners?
Or will it be as simple as "dude took a gun and ran into the darkness in pursuit, instead of waiting for cops, shit got ugly and someone got killed... He got locked up not because they could prove he broke any laws... but because he was just aggressive and stupid and someone got killed"?
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all kidding aside - IF ZImmerman is found guilty, who will be to blame?
Will it be all about "the MEEEEDIA" and "RACISMMMMMM" and all that other wedge, one-liners?
Or will it be as simple as "dude took a gun and ran into the darkness in pursuit, instead of waiting for cops, shit got ugly and someone got killed... He got locked up not because they could prove he broke any laws... but because he was just aggressive and stupid and someone got killed"?
kidding?
you get your ass handed to you and now you were only "kidding" LMFAO please kid, at least own up to the fact your bull shit backfired and you cant back up anything your stating.
it depends on what evidence they have against him, if they convict him on bull shit like your spouting on about it wont be b/c he broke any laws.
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kidding?
you get your ass handed to you and now you were only "kidding" LMFAO please kid, at least own up to the fact your bull shit backfired and you cant back up anything your stating.
it depends on what evidence they have against him, if they convict him on bull shit like your spouting on about it wont be b/c he broke any laws.
So stop attacking me, and tell me what you will say if he is found guilty lol.
I never said i was kidding... i think he's a murderous fuck that preferred to catch the bad guy himself instead of letting the cops do it. He was using profanity and admitted trayvon was running away. I think they ran at each other, as is what happens sometimes when an angry man and a scared kid face off. No conversation. People are animals under extreme emotion. ZImmerman got his ass kicked and shot.
So that being said... IF he is found guilty, what will you say, tony? The fault of media, racism, and all sorts of other catchwords? OR, just a jury punishing him for being an aggressive stupid fck?
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So stop attacking me, and tell me what you will say if he is found guilty lol.
I never said i was kidding... i think he's a murderous fuck that preferred to catch the bad guy himself instead of letting the cops do it. He was using profanity and admitted trayvon was running away. I think they ran at each other, as is what happens sometimes when an angry man and a scared kid face off. No conversation. People are animals under extreme emotion. ZImmerman got his ass kicked and shot.
So that being said... IF he is found guilty, what will you say, tony? The fault of media, racism, and all sorts of other catchwords? OR, just a jury punishing him for being an aggressive stupid fck?
Zimmerman stopped following him and didnt know where trayvon was at the end of the phone call or did you forget that?
I answered it, I said it depends on what was used to convict him...if its the same bull shit you use then it wont have been b/c he broke any law.
If there is any other evidence not yet available that shows he is guilty then it will be because he is guilty.
Right now there is no evidence to suggest that zimmerman broke any laws.
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Zimmerman stopped following him and didnt know where trayvon was at the end of the phone call or did you forget that?
I answered it, I said it depends on what was used to convict him...if its the same bull shit you use then it wont have been b/c he broke any law.
If there is any other evidence not yet available that shows he is guilty then it will be because he is guilty.
Right now there is no evidence to suggest that zimmerman broke any laws.
I said long ago... the shoot itself was probably legal by FL law... it's all about if Zimmerman "felt" threatened. Both men, at the time of the fight, were probably justified in using deadly force. That's the crazy thing about FL law. I'm sure it's similar in TX too?
Trayvon could have said "this big fat dude with a gun was chasing me thru the yards, he cut me off by going around the building, I was scared, hit him with a rock because I feared for my life." And that'd be legal.
ZImm could have said "i was attacked by a 17 year old and he was on top of me and i was scared so I shot him". Also legal shoot.
In cases like this, I think the highly intelligent people from sanford will just employ common sense... One dude was in pursuit. One was in retreat. They met with no witnesses, fight and one killed the other.
You CANNOT let Zimm walk. You just can't. He doesn't deserve 25 years, but he does deserve 8 or 10 years for creating the situation. It's that simple.
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I said long ago... the shoot itself was probably legal by FL law... it's all about if Zimmerman "felt" threatened. Both men, at the time of the fight, were probably justified in using deadly force. That's the crazy thing about FL law. I'm sure it's similar in TX too?
Trayvon could have said "this big fat dude with a gun was chasing me thru the yards, he cut me off by going around the building, I was scared, hit him with a rock because I feared for my life." And that'd be legal.
ZImm could have said "i was attacked by a 17 year old and he was on top of me and i was scared so I shot him". Also legal shoot.
In cases like this, I think the highly intelligent people from sanford will just employ common sense... One dude was in pursuit. One was in retreat. They met with no witnesses, fight and one killed the other.
You CANNOT let Zimm walk. You just can't. He doesn't deserve 25 years, but he does deserve 8 or 10 years for creating the situation. It's that simple.
zimm wasnt in pursuit any longer...WHAT PART OF THAT DONT YOU UNDERSTAND MORON???
he clearly had lost trayvon at the end of the 911 call and per his words was on his way back to his truck when he was confronted....
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all kidding aside - IF ZImmerman is found guilty, who will be to blame?
Will it be all about "the MEEEEDIA" and "RACISMMMMMM" and all that other wedge, one-liners?
Or will it be as simple as "dude took a gun and ran into the darkness in pursuit, instead of waiting for cops, shit got ugly and someone got killed... He got locked up not because they could prove he broke any laws... but because he was just aggressive and stupid and someone got killed"?
Hold up there hero. When Casey Anthony was acquitted, you questioned the jury's verdict and claimed the defense beat the rap. So, if Zimmerman is found guilty, people can't question the jury's verdict?
Or is it only OK with you to question the jury's verdict in certain '240 approved' cases?
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Hold up there hero. When Casey Anthony was acquitted, you questioned the jury's verdict and claimed the defense beat the rap. So, if Zimmerman is found guilty, people can't question the jury's verdict?
Or is it only OK with you to question the jury's verdict in certain '240 approved' cases?
240 judges cases on his "facts"
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zimm wasnt in pursuit any longer...WHAT PART OF THAT DONT YOU UNDERSTAND MORON???
he clearly had lost trayvon at the end of the 911 call and per his words was on his way back to his truck when he was confronted....
Zimmerman may have lost sight of trayvon in the darkness, but he never said "I can't find him so I'm giving up".
THere was no indication he went from calling trayvon profanities, to peaceful beatnik retreating.
Tony, consider this: One man was in retreat. One man was in pursuit, and temporary lost sight.
There is zero evidence that he stopped his pursuit - why are you assuming that?
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Zimmerman may have lost sight of trayvon in the darkness, but he never said "I can't find him so I'm giving up".
THere was no indication he went from calling trayvon profanities, to peaceful beatnik retreating.
Tony, consider this: One man was in retreat. One man was in pursuit, and temporary lost sight.
There is zero evidence that he stopped his pursuit - why are you assuming that?
lets see, he said he would meet the police at a certain area...going along your lines of what he said on the 911 call is accurate he would have had to head towards that area.
There is ZERO evidence to say that he continued to look for trayvon either 240, now in this country are we guilty until proven innocent?
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240 judges cases on his "facts"
No doubt. Gotta love the double standards.
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lets see, he said he would meet the police at a certain area...going along your lines of what he said on the 911 call is accurate he would have had to head towards that area.
There is ZERO evidence to say that he continued to look for trayvon either 240, now in this country are we guilty until proven innocent?
There is plenty of evidence he was the man in pursuit, and zero evidence of him turning around.
He shot the kid 2 blocks from where he said he'd meet them. Had he returned via the same route, there's no way he runs into trayvon.
Your logic just doesn't make sense man. At what point did he turn around? DO you have any evidence? Prosecutor has plenty of evidence of pursuit. Where is the evidence of his retreat, or trayvon's pursuit?
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240 judges cases on his "facts"
Yep. While ignoring the actual facts, like the police officer on the scene who said: “While I was in such close contact with Zimmerman, I could observe that his back appeared to be wet and covered in grass, as if he had been laying on his back on the ground. Zimmerman was also bleeding from the nose and back of his head.”
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Yep. While ignoring the actual facts, like the police officer on the scene who said: “While I was in such close contact with Zimmerman, I could observe that his back appeared to be wet and covered in grass, as if he had been laying on his back on the ground. Zimmerman was also bleeding from the nose and back of his head.”
clear proof he got his ass kicked.
Still, he was the one doing the pursuit. Trayvon was the one doing the retreat.
You have zero evidence to the contrary.
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I think this is the Florida self-defense law?
JUSTIFIABLE USE OF FORCE
776.012 Use of force in defense of person.—A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:
(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony; or
(2) Under those circumstances permitted pursuant to s. 776.013.
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0700-0799/0776/Sections/0776.012.html
Assuming this is what they will rely on, the prosecution has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman did not have a reasonable belief that he had to use deadly force to prevent "great bodily harm to himself."
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clear proof he got his ass kicked.
Still, he was the one doing the pursuit. Trayvon was the one doing the retreat.
You have zero evidence to the contrary.
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lol. you've been doing that for 6 or 7 years, even time you can't argue. When you can pwn me back with a point, you make that point. When you dont have an answer, you roll the eyes.
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lol. you've been doing that for 6 or 7 years, even time you can't argue. When you can pwn me back with a point, you make that point. When you dont have an answer, you roll the eyes.
When you make a stupid comment you may get an eyeroll.
When I'm responding to a pathological liar, you may get an eyeroll.
When I don't feel like correcting horse manure, again, you may get an eyeroll.
Now run along. :)
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When you make a stupid comment you may get an eyeroll.
When I'm responding to a pathological liar, you may get an eyeroll.
When I don't feel like correcting horse manure, again, you may get an eyeroll.
Now run along. :)
Oh ok, great points. We're just where we were in 2005 debates lol.
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There is plenty of evidence he was the man in pursuit, and zero evidence of him turning around.
He shot the kid 2 blocks from where he said he'd meet them. Had he returned via the same route, there's no way he runs into trayvon.
Your logic just doesn't make sense man. At what point did he turn around? DO you have any evidence? Prosecutor has plenty of evidence of pursuit. Where is the evidence of his retreat, or trayvon's pursuit?
he was no longer in pursuit at the end of the 911 call 240, why do you keep leaving that out?
how do you know he had to return the same route?
the evidence that he was no longer following trayvon is the same that you have for that he did in the first place...
why do you accept as truth part of the 911 call but call the other part a lie?
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he was no longer in pursuit at the end of the 911 call 240, why do you keep leaving that out?
Why do you keep making this assumption? He couldn't see him at that moment. There is no indication he turned around.
If you want to make that assumption, you can - but he never says he's turning around or halting the pursuit. You said that. He didnt.
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Why do you keep making this assumption? He couldn't see him at that moment. There is no indication he turned around.
If you want to make that assumption, you can - but he never says he's turning around or halting the pursuit. You said that. He didnt.
You sound pretty pathetic broseph. Take a step back, take a deep breath and realize this case has literally zero impact on your life.
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Ever thought if Trayvon had a gun the outcome would be different? And the sad thing is that he would have clearly been in the right according to Florida Stand Your Ground law.
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Why do you keep making this assumption? He couldn't see him at that moment. There is no indication he turned around.
If you want to make that assumption, you can - but he never says he's turning around or halting the pursuit. You said that. He didnt.
when he said he would meet the police at the pool house or whatever it was, WHATS THAT MEAN TO YOU 240?
does that mean he was still following trayvon?
why do you pick and choose what part of the 911 tape to believe and not to believe?
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Ever thought if Trayvon had a gun the outcome would be different? And the sad thing is that he would have clearly been in the right according to Florida Stand Your Ground law.
yup and he wouldnt be on trial right now either....food for thought.
it was a shitty situation that ended in a fucked up death, doesnt mean zimmerman broke the law.
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Ever thought if Trayvon had a gun the outcome would be different? And the sad thing is that he would have clearly been in the right according to Florida Stand Your Ground law.
Agreed, but he didnt, and he decided to have a fist fight with an armed man, which ended in his death, and also made it self defense for Zimmerman.
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yup and he wouldnt be on trial right now either....food for thought.
it was a shitty situation that ended in a fucked up death, doesnt mean zimmerman broke the law.
Mainly because Trayvon was the one being pursued by another person. Not exactly the same case for Zimm is it?
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Mainly because Trayvon was the one being pursued by another person. Not exactly the same case for Zimm is it?
No, but he was the one that got attacked by a man that he did nothing to except follow.
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Mainly because Trayvon was the one being pursued by another person. Not exactly the same case for Zimm is it?
I didnt know you had proof that zimmerman was still following trayvon.
at the end of the 911 call he had lost him and told the police he was going to meet them at the pool house in few minutes.
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The fact that he "lost him" shows that he had indeed been following him. Something he had no business doing in the first place.
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The fact that he "lost him" shows that he had indeed been following him. Something he had no business doing in the first place.
Very true, but its still not illegal.
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The fact that he "lost him" shows that he had indeed been following him. Something he had no business doing in the first place.
It was never in dispute whether or not zimmerman briefly tried to follow trayvon.
what law does that break?
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when he said he would meet the police at the pool house or whatever it was, WHATS THAT MEAN TO YOU 240?
If he was told the police would be there shortly, why did he keep chasing the person he believed to be on drugs and possibly armed "he has something in his waistband, he's putting his hand on it.."
He left the spot where he said they'd miss him.
Tony, he pursued Trayvon. Trayvon tried to escape.
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It was never in dispute whether or not zimmerman briefly tried to follow trayvon.
what law does that break?
Law of common sense? You are some fat fuck that took martial arts classes just to beat your wife or whatever... well you got no business following someone. Especially when the only reason you are doing so is because of some biased profiling you conducted.
What law was Trayvon breaking again?
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Agreed, but he didnt, and he decided to have a fist fight with an armed man, which ended in his death, and also made it self defense for Zimmerman.
How did he know Zimm was armed? Did Zimm announce that before the fight started? Or was he fighting with someone that was stalking him for no reason?
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What law was Trayvon breaking again?
according to zero evidence, Trayvon started a fight.
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If he was told the police would be there shortly, why did he keep chasing the person he believed to be on drugs and possibly armed "he has something in his waistband, he's putting his hand on it.."
He left the spot where he said they'd miss him.
Tony, he pursued Trayvon. Trayvon tried to escape.
LOL what proof do you have he kept persuing trayvon 240?
there is nothing to prove that zimmerman didnt do exactly what he said he did, THATS THE FUCKING PROBLEM MORON!!!
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Law of common sense? You are some fat fuck that took martial arts classes just to beat your wife or whatever... well you got no business following someone. Especially when the only reason you are doing so is because of some biased profiling you conducted.
What law was Trayvon breaking again?
nobody said trayvon broke any laws, so basically nobody broke any laws it was just a shitty situation that went bad.
DIDNT I ALREADY SAY THAT?
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according to zero evidence, Trayvon started a fight.
according to zero evidence, zimmerman continued to look for trayvon, found him, started a fight, let him beat him up and then shot him ::)
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LOL what proof do you have he kept persuing trayvon 240?
there is nothing to prove that zimmerman didnt do exactly what he said he did, THATS THE FUCKING PROBLEM MORON!!!
he was pursuing him for the duration of the 911 call. Then he hangs up and shoots the kid.
I wonder how the jury will handle that... especially cause no way zimmermen ever takes the stand.
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he was pursuing him for the duration of the 911 call. Then he hangs up and shoots the kid.
I wonder how the jury will handle that... especially cause no way zimmermen ever takes the stand.
LMFAO 240 was Zimmerman following trayvon at the End of the 911 call?
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Question for Ace Ventura Pet Detective 240 or Bust--
If Zimmerman was unarmed and had merely gotten the better of Tray Tray, which resulted in his death through strangulation or smashing his head on the concrete. Should he have been charged in this case?
Also, follow up-- Is pursuing (asking someone questions and following them) a criminal act, or does it only become a criminal act if you're armed?
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I've said it before - It is very possible Zimmerman committed no crime, legally.
And I've said it before, he'll be sentenced to 8 or 10 years just for causing the kid's death.
The jury will look at the situation, realize an angry zimmerman WANTED to run into trayvon - a person he just told 911 operators was on drugs with something in his waistband. He RAN to beat the cops there.
He's guilty of wanting and working hard to create an armed confrontation with a man he believed was on Drugs, possibly armed. That's some dangerous shit right there.
I don't think it will come down to the law - the law is flawed and I think the jurors will punish him for just being stupid. I think juries PUNISH people all the time. It's fucked up legally, but it is what i think will happen.
I dislike Zimmerman because he initially used "stand your ground", which will fck up gun rights for americans for years - bloomberg on a one-man campaign to disarm america and put away every person who uses their gun.
Zimmerman could have just as easily let a few stray rounds fly and hit bystanders in their beds. He grabbed a 9mm and sprinted at a man he claimed was high and possibly armed. A cowboy.
SO no law may have been broken - but I think jury will punish him.
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SO no law may have been broken - but I think jury will punish him.
Do you know how fucked up wrong that sounds? If that's the case it's not something that should be supported.
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Do you know how fucked up wrong that sounds? If that's the case it's not something that should be supported.
of course it's fucked up. It's a completely fcked up law. I carry a gun... and legally,, I can walk up and down any street at 3 am and insult the dead grandmothers of drug dealer until one punches me. Then I can shoot him 17 times. Totally legal, cause I feel threatened.
it's a cool law - UNTIL one of us is having ice cream at the mall one day, we step on someone's shoe reaching for napkins... and some asshole in camo fatigues squares up. Unless we cower and crawl away - if we tell him to step the fck off - he can then legally pull gun and shoot us 17 timmes cause "he felt threatened".
I love the concealed carry, but we're allowed to CREATE a dangerous situation, shoot the other person with no witnesses, then hide behind the law. it's cool - UNTIL some prick uses this on us. Imagine some prick smirking saying "i'm gonna shoot you, and tell the cops I was scared!" and knowing he will get away with it?
The law is fucked - too vague and open for pricks to shoot first, blame the law later. This the fcked up reaction - juries legislation. It ain't right. But it's probably what will happen.
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the problem isn't race. Or the media. Or the gun laws - the problem is PRICKS that pick up a gun and sprint after people they claim are on drugs with their hands in waistband.
You can't outlaw pricks like that. So this is where we end up. race comes in, media exploits, and gun laws are attacked then later limited (bloomberg).
Zimm's dick was hard for a gun battle or street fight - even though the cops were a minute away. If you see a guy on drugs, with his hands on something in his waistband - what prson in their right mind will grab a 9mm and SPRINT at them?
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of course it's fucked up. It's a completely fcked up law. I carry a gun... and legally,, I can walk up and down any street at 3 am and insult the dead grandmothers of drug dealer until one punches me. Then I can shoot him 17 times. Totally legal, cause I feel threatened.
it's a cool law - UNTIL one of us is having ice cream at the mall one day, we step on someone's shoe reaching for napkins... and some asshole in camo fatigues squares up. Unless we cower and crawl away - if we tell him to step the fck off - he can then legally pull gun and shoot us 17 timmes cause "he felt threatened".
I love the concealed carry, but we're allowed to CREATE a dangerous situation, shoot the other person with no witnesses, then hide behind the law. it's cool - UNTIL some prick uses this on us. Imagine some prick smirking saying "i'm gonna shoot you, and tell the cops I was scared!" and knowing he will get away with it?
The law is fucked - too vague and open for pricks to shoot first, blame the law later. This the fcked up reaction - juries legislation. It ain't right. But it's probably what will happen.
I think he's saying its fucked up and wrong for a jury to punish a man that didn't break any laws. Which it is. And ita not like trayvon just punched him in the face and walked away, dude was pounding his head into the pacem
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I think he's saying its fucked up and wrong for a jury to punish a man that didn't break any laws. Which it is. And ita not like trayvon just punched him in the face and walked away, dude was pounding his head into the pacem
we don't know that. We know he had a busted nose and bump on the back of the head (which lined up to the bottom of his particular model of gun, coincidentally.
We know he has a history of violence and lies... would he get punched in the nose and shoved down and open fire? Maybe.
Would he see the dead kid and smash himself in back of head to make injuries appear worse? Maybe.
There are a lot of ways to kill someone or cause violence with "breaking law". People who use these loopholes to execute accused bike thieves are shit for people.
If zimmerman did nothing, we'd look at him as a piece of shite... assault on LEO, wifebeater, sexual abuse on cousin, calling 911 on everything, big history of lying, and carrying a gun in violation of neighborhood watch statute.
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Law of common sense? You are some fat fuck that took martial arts classes just to beat your wife or whatever... well you got no business following someone. Especially when the only reason you are doing so is because of some biased profiling you conducted.
What law was Trayvon breaking again?
All Zimmerman did was try and protect his neighborhood. Nothing wrong with that. He didn't break the law.
Martin didn't break any law that day that we know of, other than drug laws.
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The idea is that Zimmerman created a dangerous situation without moral regard for life, and it resulted in someone's death.
In Florida, that's called Murder 2. That's the law that's said to have been broken.
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BTW, that's why the fact that he directed himself toward Martin may become so consequential, because to do so with a gun becomes the creation of a dangerous situation - which is a considerable part of the battle for the prosecution.
Needless to say, though, as you can tell from the replies on these discussions, there are plenty of people who will refuse acknowledgement of any wrong by Zimmerman. That sentiment may save him.
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He knew he was directing himself toward potential conflict, so he should have been prepared to properly control Martin with the gun. That would have required that he maintain distance out of Martin's reach, and hold him at full gunpoint until the police arrived.
Do you think he would do that?
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All Zimmerman did was try and protect his neighborhood. Nothing wrong with that. He didn't break the law.
Martin didn't break any law that day that we know of, other than drug laws.
What drug laws did he break that day? I was unaware that they found illegal substances on his body.
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What drug laws did he break that day? I was unaware that they found illegal substances on his body.
Autopsy report said he had marijuana in his system. He may or may not have smoked it that day. Judging by the pictures we have seen, I'd say he smoked on a regular basis, including that day.
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Autopsy report said he had marijuana in his system. He may or may not have smoked it that day. Judging by the pictures we have seen, I'd say he smoked on a regular basis, including that day.
oh really... because.........well you know what MR said...
Shalt i post it
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oh really... because.........well you know what MR said...
Shalt i post it
Who is MR?
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Autopsy report said he had marijuana in his system. He may or may not have smoked it that day. Judging by the pictures we have seen, I'd say he smoked on a regular basis, including that day.
can stay in your system for 3 to 4 days, :D :D :D :D :D you can tell he smoked that day by looking at pictures :D :D :D priceless
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Who is MR?
MER
MEdical examiners report.
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MER
MEdical examiners report.
Ok. Got it. I don't speak medicalese. :) Yes, the MER said he had trace amounts of dope in his system.
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MER
MEdical examiners report.
who needs a MER when you have pictures ;D
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So sick of this bs. Thugs and crminals like ashtrayvon kill dozens and dozens of people weekly and Da Community never says a peep.
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Autopsy report said he had marijuana in his system. He may or may not have smoked it that day. Judging by the pictures we have seen, I'd say he smoked on a regular basis, including that day.
So you admit you don't know if he did break any drug laws that day? Or even that week?
In other words, you are simply profiling him based on appearances and what you "think" his actions were? Funny that is EXACTLY what Zimm did. ::)
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So you admit you don't know if he did break any drug laws that day? Or even that week?
In other words, you are simply profiling him based on appearances and what you "think" his actions were? Funny that is EXACTLY what Zimm did. ::)
LOL
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LMFAO 240 was Zimmerman following trayvon at the End of the 911 call?
bump for an answer tard boy
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So you admit you don't know if he did break any drug laws that day? Or even that week?
In other words, you are simply profiling him based on appearances and what you "think" his actions were? Funny that is EXACTLY what Zimm did. ::)
I don't need to admit what I just said. I said it. It's my opinion.
Am I profiling him? Sort of. But it has nothing to do with his race. I think he was a drug using thug based on the fact he smoked marijuana, was suspended from school for having a burglary tool and women's jewelry, suspended from school for fighting, took pictures with guns and drugs, and took pictures smoking dope. None of that has anything to do with his race.
If Zimmerman looked at him and thought he was up to no good and was on "drugs or something," he was right. But that's not a crime. :)
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All Zimmerman did was try and protect his neighborhood.
So he was working in a neighborhood watch capacity that day?
Their rules forbid carrying a firearm while performing duties.
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So he was working in a neighborhood watch capacity that day?
Their rules forbid carrying a firearm while performing duties.
What specific rules are you talking about for his community? Link?
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I don't need to admit what I just said. I said it. It's my opinion.
Am I profiling him? Sort of. But it has nothing to do with his race. I think he was a drug using thug based on the fact he smoked marijuana, was suspended from school for having a burglary tool and women's jewelry, suspended from school for fighting, took pictures with guns and drugs, and took pictures smoking dope. None of that has anything to do with his race.
If Zimmerman looked at him and thought he was up to no good and was on "drugs or something," he was right. But that's not a crime. :)
so you go with what they did in the past,it figures you would side with the women beater
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so you go with what they did in the past,it figures you would side with the women beater
Past and present.
Who is the "women beater"?
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He knew he was directing himself toward potential conflict, so he should have been prepared to properly control Martin with the gun. That would have required that he maintain distance out of Martin's reach, and hold him at full gunpoint until the police arrived.
Do you think he would do that?
bump
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What specific rules are you talking about for his community? Link?
I'm surprised you didn't hear about this - we discussed it at length early on getbig.
The rules of the neighborhood watch charter - Zimmerman was the president - declare ZERO firearms may be carried. He signed and agreed. He was just returning from Target when he saw Trayvon, and he was carrying a gun.
He didn't leave the gun in vehicle, then follow, as would be the policy. He packed that 9mm in case he had to shoot a motherfcker.
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-24/news/os-trayvon-martin-neighborhood-watch-20120321_1_zimmerman-community-ties-neighborhood-watch
and if you need it, George Zimmerman violated the rules of neighborhood watch by concealing a weapon
http://www.examiner.com/article/george-zimmerman-violated-the-rules-of-neighborhood-watch-by-concealing-a-weapon
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LMFAO 240 was Zimmerman following trayvon at the End of the 911 call?
bump from an answer from any of the tard boy crew
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I'm surprised you didn't hear about this - we discussed it at length early on getbig.
The rules of the neighborhood watch charter - Zimmerman was the president - declare ZERO firearms may be carried. He signed and agreed. He was just returning from Target when he saw Trayvon, and he was carrying a gun.
He didn't leave the gun in vehicle, then follow, as would be the policy. He packed that 9mm in case he had to shoot a motherfcker.
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-24/news/os-trayvon-martin-neighborhood-watch-20120321_1_zimmerman-community-ties-neighborhood-watch
and if you need it, George Zimmerman violated the rules of neighborhood watch by concealing a weapon
http://www.examiner.com/article/george-zimmerman-violated-the-rules-of-neighborhood-watch-by-concealing-a-weapon
those arent the rules of zimmermans neighborhood watch simply an orginzation...nice spin though
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those arent the rules of zimmermans neighborhood watch simply an orginzation...nice spin though
you sure about that?
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you sure about that?
I havent seen anything to say it was, even if it was he still didnt break any laws LMFAO
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I'm surprised you didn't hear about this - we discussed it at length early on getbig.
The rules of the neighborhood watch charter - Zimmerman was the president - declare ZERO firearms may be carried. He signed and agreed. He was just returning from Target when he saw Trayvon, and he was carrying a gun.
He didn't leave the gun in vehicle, then follow, as would be the policy. He packed that 9mm in case he had to shoot a motherfcker.
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-24/news/os-trayvon-martin-neighborhood-watch-20120321_1_zimmerman-community-ties-neighborhood-watch
and if you need it, George Zimmerman violated the rules of neighborhood watch by concealing a weapon
http://www.examiner.com/article/george-zimmerman-violated-the-rules-of-neighborhood-watch-by-concealing-a-weapon
I didn't pay attention to this case for months. And I don't read most of what you post on the board, so you shouldn't be surprised at all.
The first link does not support your claim. It doesn't have any rules for the group in his neighborhood. And it says Zimmerman was chosen as "coordinator," not president.
The second link mentions a "National Neighborhood Watch Institute." Was his neighborhood watch a member?
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Question for Ace Ventura Pet Detective 240 or Bust--
If Zimmerman was unarmed and had merely gotten the better of Tray Tray, which resulted in his death through strangulation or smashing his head on the concrete. Should he have been charged in this case?
Also, follow up-- Is pursuing (asking someone questions and following them) a criminal act, or does it only become a criminal act if you're armed?
Still waiting on a clear answer for this question from 240 or anyone else.
One of getbig's faux legal scholars made the comment that Zimmermans actions led to the death of a person and that's "murder 2" in Florida.
Notwithstanding the fact that neighborhood watch patrols are legal and Zimmerman was legally carrying a firearm, does Trayvon Martin beating Zimmerman to a pulp constitute an intervening criminal act which breaks the chain of causation and justifies Zimmerman's decision to respond with deadly force?
Hint-- Look at the Florida law which governs self defense via the use of deadly force.
Under Florida law, the stand your ground defense can only be utilized if you're not the aggressor. It's my understanding that Zimmerman is not even asserting the "stand your ground" theory as a defense. But even if he were, what is the legal definition for "aggressor" in a physical altercation which leads to someones death? Is it an objective or subjective standard?
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I havent seen anything to say it was, even if it was he still didnt break any laws LMFAO
You stated it as a matter of fact.
those arent the rules of zimmermans neighborhood watch simply an orginzation...nice spin though
Are you now saying you're not sure?
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On the thurs after the indictment, trayvon's team said they will NOT be using stand-your-ground to CNN anderson cooper.
Then, that sunday on the morning talk shows, they said they would be using it.
Then they abandoned the position. His team only clung to that position for the day it took the actual author of the bill to come out and say "the law doesn't apply here".
it doesn't look like Zimm defense team will try to use it... but you never know with this trial, seems like it's going to be the wild west in that courtroom. Zimmerman is going to have a hard time proving he wasn't the aggressor. He may have momentarily lost sight of trayvon at the end of the call, but this is after he had chased him 2 blocks while calling him profanities and carrying a gun.
Sorry, but a person carrying a gun and chasing me 2 blocks and calling me profane names - that's the definition of an "aggressor". Just because an aggressor blinks for a minute or I hide in bushes to avoid him doesn't make him not the aggressor anymore. There is no evidence he stopped his aggressive approach. He didn't tell 911 operator "okay, I'm giving up, heading back to truck now, no longer angry and certainly don't want that confrontation anymore..." He just lost him momentarily while chasing him. happens a lot when chasing people.
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Still waiting on a clear answer for this question from 240 or anyone else.
One of getbig's faux legal scholars made the comment that Zimmermans actions led to the death of a person and that's "murder 2" in Florida.
Notwithstanding the fact that neighborhood watch patrols are legal and Zimmerman was legally carrying a firearm, does Trayvon Martin beating Zimmerman to a pulp constitute an intervening criminal act which breaks the chain of causation and justifies Zimmerman's decision to respond with deadly force?
Hint-- Look at the Florida law which governs self defense via the use of deadly force.
Under Florida law, the stand your ground defense can only be utilized if you're not the aggressor. It's my understanding that Zimmerman is not even asserting the "stand your ground" theory as a defense. But even if he were, what is the legal definition for "aggressor" in a physical altercation which leads to someones death? Is it an objective or subjective standard?
I think this is it?
I think this is the Florida self-defense law?
JUSTIFIABLE USE OF FORCE
776.012 Use of force in defense of person.—A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:
(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony; or
(2) Under those circumstances permitted pursuant to s. 776.013.
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0700-0799/0776/Sections/0776.012.html
Assuming this is what they will rely on, the prosecution has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman did not have a reasonable belief that he had to use deadly force to prevent "great bodily harm to himself."
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You stated it as a matter of fact.
Are you now saying you're not sure?
Im saying there is no proof to show that his neighborhood watch used those guidelines AND EVEN IF THEY DID HE STILL DIDNT BREAK ANY LAWS......
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Still waiting on a clear answer for this question from 240 or anyone else.
One of getbig's faux legal scholars made the comment that Zimmermans actions led to the death of a person and that's "murder 2" in Florida.
Notwithstanding the fact that neighborhood watch patrols are legal and Zimmerman was legally carrying a firearm, does Trayvon Martin beating Zimmerman to a pulp constitute an intervening criminal act which breaks the chain of causation and justifies Zimmerman's decision to respond with deadly force?
Hint-- Look at the Florida law which governs self defense via the use of deadly force.
Under Florida law, the stand your ground defense can only be utilized if you're not the aggressor. It's my understanding that Zimmerman is not even asserting the "stand your ground" theory as a defense. But even if he were, what is the legal definition for "aggressor" in a physical altercation which leads to someones death? Is it an objective or subjective standard?
Read the post again, dumbass. If you want to argue, please be extremely specific, and please don't expect me to hold your assumptions about the case.
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I don't need to admit what I just said. I said it. It's my opinion.
Am I profiling him? Sort of. But it has nothing to do with his race. I think he was a drug using thug based on the fact he smoked marijuana, was suspended from school for having a burglary tool and women's jewelry, suspended from school for fighting, took pictures with guns and drugs, and took pictures smoking dope. None of that has anything to do with his race.
If Zimmerman looked at him and thought he was up to no good and was on "drugs or something," he was right. But that's not a crime. :)
Your opinion is not the same as facts. So it doesn't mean shit. Funny you don't have a problem presenting a flawed biased view of Trayvon but when 240 states that Zimmerman was a dishonest, incest abusing, wife beating, police officer assaulting, wannabe cop who went looking for a confrontation due to his insecurity complexion and impotent self loathing, you want to make an issue of profiling then.
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I sort just explained what the point was. When I first heard about this all I saw were pictures of a little kid and heard about how he was gunned down, armed only with a pack of skittles. He looked like an innocent ten-year old kid in the picture.
Then we learn he was caught with burglery tools, suspended from school for fighting, smoking weed, and he was almost six feet tall. Does any of that mean he deserved to be shot? No. Does it give us a different perspective of this kid? Absolutely. I think it also makes it more likely that he was in fact beating the crap out of Zimmerman.
Yeah and then we found out about Zimmerman. Police officer reject. Has anger management issues. Looking for confrontation. Ignored verbal instructions given to him by a law officer over the phone.. etc.. etc... "more likely he was playing the gungho vigilante who got his ass kicked because of that and the only reaction he had was to shoot an unarmed kid
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Gives us a different perspective of him doesn't it?
Autopsy report said he had marijuana in his system. He may or may not have smoked it that day. Judging by the pictures we have seen, I'd say he smoked on a regular basis, including that day.
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More biased bullshit. Good thing FL doesn't have to worry about you being a juror. What's your reasoning going to be when the jury finds Zimm guilty?
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Read the post again, dumbass. If you want to argue, please be extremely specific, and please don't expect me to hold your assumptions about the case.
Settle down jackass. I don't care enough about your opinion to be "extremely specific".
Hope this helps.
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Settle down jackass. I don't care enough about your opinion to be "extremely specific".
Hope this helps.
So don't say shit you can't back up, Whoresmell.
Please remember that Zimmerman was responsible for that gun. No one else.
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Im saying there is no proof to show that his neighborhood watch used those guidelines AND EVEN IF THEY DID HE STILL DIDNT BREAK ANY LAWS......
Are you as sure about "NO PROOF his neighborhood watch used those guidelines" as you are about his not chasing Trayvon?
Or are you a little less sure?
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Are you as sure about "NO PROOF his neighborhood watch used those guidelines" as you are about his not chasing Trayvon?
Or are you a little less sure?
Im positive we have not seen proof that those guidelines were that of his neighborhood watch just like there is no proof he was chasing trayvon at the end of the 911 tape, is that clear enough for you?
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Your opinion is not the same as facts. So it doesn't mean shit. Funny you don't have a problem presenting a flawed biased view of Trayvon but when 240 states that Zimmerman was a dishonest, incest abusing, wife beating, police officer assaulting, wannabe cop who went looking for a confrontation due to his insecurity complexion and impotent self loathing, you want to make an issue of profiling then.
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Yeah and then we found out about Zimmerman. Police officer reject. Has anger management issues. Looking for confrontation. Ignored verbal instructions given to him by a law officer over the phone.. etc.. etc... "more likely he was playing the gungho vigilante who got his ass kicked because of that and the only reaction he had was to shoot an unarmed kid
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Gives us a different perspective of him doesn't it?
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More biased bullshit. Good thing FL doesn't have to worry about you being a juror. What's your reasoning going to be when the jury finds Zimm guilty?
Never said my opinion was a fact. My opinion is just my opinion. I could give a rip not whether you think it amounts to anything.
What evidence is there that Zimmerman “ignored verbal instructions given to him by a law officer”?
If Zimmerman is found guilty, it will be because a jury of six people listened to the evidence and believed he murdered the kid and did not act in self defense.
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Did the dispatch not tell him that they didn't need him to follow Trayvon?
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Im positive we have not seen proof that those guidelines were that of his neighborhood watch just like there is no proof he was chasing trayvon at the end of the 911 tape, is that clear enough for you?
You're super duper positive?
http://trayvon.axiomamnesia.com/documents-2/retreat-twin-lakes-neighborhood-watch/
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You're super duper positive?
http://trayvon.axiomamnesia.com/documents-2/retreat-twin-lakes-neighborhood-watch/
super duper positive that says nothing you wished it did, outside of the obviously credible link you posted where in that presentation they cite says it was for zimmermans neighborhood?
what laws did he break if he didnt abide by a neighborhood watch agreement?
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does my super credible link count too?
http://thegrio.com/2012/03/21/zimmerman-not-a-member-of-recognized-neighborhood-watch-organization/
so if it wasnt recognized does that mean it was still under the neighborhood watch association? or is it organization? perhaps institution?
all of which are legally binding as we all know ;)
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Did the dispatch not tell him that they didn't need him to follow Trayvon?
Yes, the 911 operator told him he didn't need to follow Martin, and Zimmerman replied "ok." Where is the evidence that Zimmerman followed Martin after he said "ok"?
Where is the evidence that the operator was a "law officer"?
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does my super credible link count too?
http://thegrio.com/2012/03/21/zimmerman-not-a-member-of-recognized-neighborhood-watch-organization/
so if it wasnt recognized does that mean it was still under the neighborhood watch association? or is it organization? perhaps institution?
all of which are legally binding as we all know ;)
From the link: "Now, through a statement released by the National Sheriffs’ Association (NSA) — the parent organization of USAonWatch-Neighborhood Watch — it has been revealed that Zimmerman was not a member of any group recognized by the organization."
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so we're sure that sanford PD never gave the twin trees organization anything that listed the no gun policy, right?
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Sick of this case - F Trayvon - choom and thug in peace
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Zimm wasn't a member?
Or the organization wasn't recognized by a national sheriff group?
Or the sanford PD never gave zimm any paperwork saying no guns?
Everyone trying to disown his ass quickly. Eludes everyone that he was NOT serving as neighborhood watch captain the day he shot trayvon. Period.
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Yes, the 911 operator told him he didn't need to follow Martin, and Zimmerman replied "ok." Where is the evidence that Zimmerman followed Martin after he said "ok"?
Where is the evidence that the operator was a "law officer"?
Oh, I was unaware that police dispatch officers were not working in capacity with the law enforcement AGENCY. ::) Maybe you can provide proof they aren't? Makes sense if you call the police that you get.. you know... an actual fucking member of the law enforcement squad huh?
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How far was he from his vehicle again? I sure don't remember him getting assaulted in his vehicle or next to it. So where is the evidence that Zimmerman was NOT following Trayvon after he said "ok"? Must be right besides that evidence of Trayvon breaking drug laws "that day".
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so we're sure that sanford PD never gave the twin trees organization anything that listed the no gun policy, right?
where sure that the twin trees organization was not a part of any registered neighborhood watch organization as shown by the NSA...
“The alleged action of a ‘self-appointed neighborhood watchman’ last month in Sanford, FL significantly contradicts the principles of the Neighborhood Watch Program,” NSA Executive Director Aaron D. Kennard, Sheriff (ret.) said in the press statement. “NSA has no information indicating the community where the incident occurred has ever even registered with the NSA Neighborhood Watch program.”
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Oh, I was unaware that police dispatch officers were not working in capacity with the law enforcement AGENCY. ::) Maybe you can provide proof they aren't? Makes sense if you call the police that you get.. you know... an actual fucking member of the law enforcement squad huh?
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How far was he from his vehicle again? I sure don't remember him getting assaulted in his vehicle or next to it. So where is the evidence that Zimmerman was NOT following Trayvon after he said "ok"? Must be right besides that evidence of Trayvon breaking drug laws "that day".
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actually I believe most dispatchers are not police officers and its not illegal to disobey an dispatcher to my knowledge, NOT THAT THERE IS ANY PROOF HE DISOBEYED!!!!
LMFAO so in your mind your guilty until proven innocent then?
zimmerman has to prove he didnt murder the kid in cold blood?
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Oh, I was unaware that police dispatch officers were not working in capacity with the law enforcement AGENCY. ::) Maybe you can provide proof they aren't? Makes sense if you call the police that you get.. you know... an actual fucking member of the law enforcement squad huh?
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How far was he from his vehicle again? I sure don't remember him getting assaulted in his vehicle or next to it. So where is the evidence that Zimmerman was NOT following Trayvon after he said "ok"? Must be right besides that evidence of Trayvon breaking drug laws "that day".
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I see. So you pulled that “law officer” title out of your rear end to make the operator sound more official. lol. Pretty weak.
And you have zero evidence that Martin disobeyed the “law officer” (lol). Got it. Thanks for playing. :)
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actually I believe most dispatchers are not police officers and its not illegal to disobey an dispatcher to my knowledge, NOT THAT THERE IS ANY PROOF HE DISOBEYED!!!!
LMFAO so in your mind your guilty until proven innocent then?
zimmerman has to prove he didnt murder the kid in cold blood?
Actually the government has to prove Zimmerman didn't act in self defense. Maybe they are sitting some "secret" evidence, but I haven't seen anything that shows they will be able to prove it wasn't self defense.
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where sure that the twin trees organization was not a part of any registered neighborhood watch organization as shown by the NSA...
Oh. is that the argument now?
Im positive we have not seen proof that those guidelines were that of his neighborhood watch just like there is no proof he was chasing trayvon at the end of the 911 tape, is that clear enough for you?
Originally, you said his group's guidelines didn't mention guns.
Now you're changing the subject to talk about how, well, his group wasn't really that legit anyway?
LMAO which is it, man?
Tell us - did the group that Zimm was a member of, have any mention of not carrying guns in their paperwork, tony?
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Oh. is that the argument now?
Originally, you said his group's guidelines didn't mention guns.
Now you're changing the subject to talk about how, well, his group wasn't really that legit anyway?
LMAO which is it, man?
Tell us - did the group that Zimm was a member of, have any mention of not carrying guns in their paperwork, tony?
hahha no the argument has always been that there is no proof that zimmerman has broken any laws...
as a result of losing that argument you resorted to well he went against recommendations from the NSA of which he was never a part of....
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Actually the government has to prove Zimmerman didn't act in self defense.
Dunno about that one.
I can run into a punk in an alley and shoot him. I can giggle when the cops arrive and say "Self defense, you can't prove otherwise".
I can do this once a week... just meet a bum in an alley and cap him, claim self-defense.
Just cause prosecutor can't "prove" what happened with videotape or witnesses... the jury looks at the preponderance of evidence and makes their best guess. Nobody can "prove" that dahmer didn't slaughter those people in self defense, since nobody actually SAW him kidnap and kill them, too, right?
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hahha no the argument has always been that there is no proof that zimmerman has broken any laws...
a 3rd argument. this is now a third topic after the 1st didn't go so well and the 2nd was proven to be a distraction to remove attention from that.
are you sure you wanna stick with this one?
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lets take a step back and assess the situation tard boy.
youre arguing over neighborhood watch guidelines, legally what would it matter even if his neighborhood was apart of the organization that created them(EVEN THOUGH THEY ARENT) and if zimmerman was a part of the organization(EVEN THOUGH HE WASNT)?
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a 3rd argument. this is now a third topic after the 1st didn't go so well and the 2nd was proven to be a distraction to remove attention from that.
are you sure you wanna stick with this one?
LMFAO a 3rd argument go back to page 1 there tard boy...thats been the argument all along
hahahah its truly pleasurable to see you melt and spin like this 240
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lets take a step back and assess the situation tard boy.
youre arguing over neighborhood watch guidelines, legally what would it matter even if his neighborhood was apart of the organization that created them(EVEN THOUGH THEY ARENT) and if zimmerman was a part of the organization(EVEN THOUGH HE WASNT)?
so a 4th argument now.
Tony, you're saying "even if I'm not right about my initial statement that zimm was not supposed to pack heat under the rules of his twin trees neighborhood watch organization, um um, LEGALLY it's cool".
Um, i said earlier that he likely broke no law. You're spinning cause you aren't so sure about your earlier statement ;)
Now you want to change it to a 4th thing - no matter what, it was legal. I agree with you there.
So it took a while, but you changed the argument enough times until we reached something we agree upon. I applaud you. Common ground is terrific.
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so a 4th argument now.
Tony, you're saying "even if I'm not right about my initial statement that zimm was not supposed to pack heat under the rules of his twin trees neighborhood watch organization, um um, LEGALLY it's cool".
Um, i said earlier that he likely broke no law. You're spinning cause you aren't so sure about your earlier statement ;)
Now you want to change it to a 4th thing - no matter what, it was legal. I agree with you there.
So it took a while, but you changed the argument enough times until we reached something we agree upon. I applaud you. Common ground is terrific.
so you admit that he broke no law but were sitting here arguing about his criminal case?
LMFAO youre such a tool, youre melting faster than a snowman in july bro
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its been real and its been fun but it hasnt been real fun...
Im off to bed not tard boy, ill be back to make you melt more tomorrow...make sure you come up with some good deflections and lies now
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its been real and its been fun but it hasnt been real fun...
Im off to bed not tard boy, ill be back to make you melt more tomorrow...make sure you come up with some good deflections and lies now
sweet bro.
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Sick of this case - Free Zimm - F Ashtrayvon
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Actually the government has to prove Zimmerman didn't act in self defense. Maybe they are sitting some "secret" evidence, but I haven't seen anything that shows they will be able to prove it wasn't self defense.
Both of them were likely acting in self-defense, due to the presence of the gun.
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Both of them were likely acting in self-defense, due to the presence of the gun.
So it's your belief trayvon knew about the gun before the altercation?
Why is that?
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I see. So you pulled that “law officer” title out of your rear end to make the operator sound more official. lol. Pretty weak.
And you have zero evidence that Martin disobeyed the “law officer” (lol). Got it. Thanks for playing. :)
Imagine calling a police department and not expecting to get a law officer or an affiliate. ::)
The only thing weak was your half ass profiling and drug using label of him. ::)
You seem to not have a problem basing off a biased opinion of the kid but then expect "evidence" when someone else makes a character statement of Zimm. It's ok to have a biased viewpoint. Most hypocrites normally do.
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Imagine calling a police department and not expecting to get a law officer or an affiliate. ::)
The only thing weak was your half ass profiling and drug using label of him. ::)
You seem to not have a problem basing off a biased opinion of the kid but then expect "evidence" when someone else makes a character statement of Zimm. It's ok to have a biased viewpoint. Most hypocrites normally do.
LMFAO - like you defending O-TWINK for the very same things you bashed W over?
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LMFAO - like you defending O-TWINK for the very same things you bashed W over?
kind of like you bashing O for doing the same thing Ronald, and both bushed did
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kind of like you bashing O for doing the same thing Ronald, and both bushed did
Didn't Obama campaign on CHANGE? So much for that.
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Oh we got change alright - LOL
Worst piece of fucking garbage ever to hold office.
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Didn't Obama campaign on CHANGE? So much for that.
Change such as "closing down Guantanamo" and "more transparency in government"??
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LMFAO - like you defending O-TWINK for the very same things you bashed W over?
Give me an example of me doing this.
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Change such as "closing down Guantanamo" and "more transparency in government"??
Add to those two lower gasoline prices, reducing the unemployment rate to 5%, doing away with special interests, reducing the deficit by half in his first 4 years, providing a health care system in which you could keep the same coverage you have now but that premiums would decrease by 3000% causing employers to give their workers a raise, doing away with all types of scandals and being the most ethical administration ever, etc, etc.....
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Both of them were likely acting in self-defense, due to the presence of the gun.
Was that before or after Zimmerman hit himself in the head with his gun to fake his injuries? Did he also punch himself in the nose?
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Ashtrayvon would be alive today if he wasn't a thug
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Imagine calling a police department and not expecting to get a law officer or an affiliate. ::)
The only thing weak was your half ass profiling and drug using label of him. ::)
You seem to not have a problem basing off a biased opinion of the kid but then expect "evidence" when someone else makes a character statement of Zimm. It's ok to have a biased viewpoint. Most hypocrites normally do.
Tell me more about these "law officers" who answer 911 calls. Do they carry a gun and badge too?
Also, how did you reach this conclusion?
Ignored verbal instructions given to him by a law officer over the phone..
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Tell me more about these "law officers" who answer 911 calls. Do they carry a gun and badge too?
Also, how did you reach this conclusion?
Tell me more about the drug laws that Trayvon broke that day.
Also, how did you reach this conclusion?
::)
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Tell me more about the drug laws that Trayvon broke that day.
Also, how did you reach this conclusion?
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In my opinion, Martin probably smoked the day he was shot because the autopsy report showed trace amounts of marijuana in his system, he was previously suspended from school for having marijuana, he took pictures of himself smoking marijuana, and he took pictures of marijuana plants.
So tell me more about these "law officers" who answer 911 calls. Do they carry a badge and gun? Are they police officers?
Also, how did you reach the conclusion that Zimmerman "Ignored verbal instructions given to him by a law officer over the phone"?
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Your opinion isn't fact.
So tell me more about how Trayvon broke drug laws that day.
How did you reach the conclusion that Trayvon smoked pot that day and not days prior? For the casual user THC remains in the system for up to 10 days. For regular smokers, up to 45 days. He could have been clean for a week before being killed. So tell us all how you determine that he broke drug laws THAT DAY.
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Your opinion isn't fact.
So tell me more about how Trayvon broke drug laws that day.
How did you reach the conclusion that Trayvon smoked pot that day and not days prior? For the casual user THC remains in the system for up to 10 days. For regular smokers, up to 45 days. He could have been clean for a week before being killed. So tell us all how you determine that he broke drug laws THAT DAY.
Please - Ashtrayvon was a ghetto druggie who was high and thugging up the hood.
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Your opinion isn't fact.
So tell me more about how Trayvon broke drug laws that day.
How did you reach the conclusion that Trayvon smoked pot that day and not days prior? For the casual user THC remains in the system for up to 10 days. For regular smokers, up to 45 days. He could have been clean for a week before being killed. So tell us all how you determine that he broke drug laws THAT DAY.
My opinion is not fact, and I never said it was. It's an opinion.
I think he probably smoked on a regular basis for the reasons I've already stated (see my prior post). Is it possible he smoked one or two days before? Sure. But given that he was suspended from school when he was shot, I think he was probably smoking that day, and probably every day if he had enough weed. I doubt he was spending his time in the library.
So tell me more about these "law officers" who answer 911 calls. Do they carry a badge and gun? Are they police officers?
Also, how did you reach the conclusion that Zimmerman "Ignored verbal instructions given to him by a law officer over the phone"?
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Please - Ashtrayvon was a ghetto druggie who was high and thugging up the hood.
I already said that. My point is that everyone is crying about evidence and yet no evidence supports that he was high then or broke drug laws that day.
And don't act like you didn't see that other claim you made up there and I asked for examples. Surely you should have some by now.
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In my opinion, Martin probably smoked the day he was shot because the autopsy report showed trace amounts of marijuana in his system, he was previously suspended from school for having marijuana, he took pictures of himself smoking marijuana, and he took pictures of marijuana plants.
So tell me more about these "law officers" who answer 911 calls. Do they carry a badge and gun? Are they police officers?
Also, how did you reach the conclusion that Zimmerman "Ignored verbal instructions given to him by a law officer over the phone"?
You won't be getting a response to these questions. Your opponent is going to type another 850385038503853 posts asking you to prove that the hood rat recently used drugs.
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My opinion is not fact, and I never said it was. It's an opinion.
I think he probably smoked on a regular basis for the reasons I've already stated (see my prior post). Is it possible he smoked one or two days before? Sure. But given that he was suspended from school when he was shot, I think he was probably smoking that day, and probably every day if he had enough weed. I doubt he was spending his time in the library.
So tell me more about these "law officers" who answer 911 calls. Do they carry a badge and gun? Are they police officers?
Also, how did you reach the conclusion that Zimmerman "Ignored verbal instructions given to him by a law officer over the phone"?
You didn't say it was your opinion he broke drug laws that day. You claimed he DID. So tell us more about these drug laws that he broke that day. Are skittles illegal now?
Also, how did you reach the conclusion which day Trayvon smoked based on trace amounts found in the autopsy report?
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You won't be getting a response to these questions. Your opponent is going to type another 850385038503853 posts asking you to prove that the hood rat recently used drugs.
No, actually I am challenging him to prove his own words. When he does, he will have the answer to mine.
Thanks for trying though.
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You won't be getting a response to these questions. Your opponent is going to type another 850385038503853 posts asking you to prove that the hood rat recently used drugs.
Truth. I'm not going to ask him again. lol
But I am curious about those "law officers" who answer 911 calls. :)
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I'm curious about these drug laws Trayvon broke that day.
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Was that before or after Zimmerman hit himself in the head with his gun to fake his injuries? Did he also punch himself in the nose?
Many people suspect he did this AFTER trayvon was dead, and BEFORE police arrived.
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If I were going to fake an injury I would slam my head against the ground. Not against the gun. It would be hard pressed to explain how the gun ended up behind you.
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Many people suspect he did this AFTER trayvon was dead, and BEFORE police arrived.
HEHEHEHEHEHE!!!
That must be some powerful ganja they are smoking.
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If I were going to fake an injury I would slam my head against the ground. Not against the gun. It would be hard pressed to explain how the gun ended up behind you.
He probably wasn't thinking that clearly. And throwing himself on the ground would be little obvious. Was he able to "collect himself" and quickly bash himself in order to create some fast injuries? I'm sure people have been that shady and weak before.
It's so weird that the flat concrete ground would make a mark identical to the frame of the gun he just fired, benefiting him a great deal in the self defense claim.
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He was thinking clearly enough to get some advice on what to say to the cops when they got there. ;D
Other than that, he hasn't exactly shown himself to be anything of a brainiac.
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This was a guy who was picked on in High school...joined some half assed neighborhood watch and then confronted a thug who may or may not have kicked the shit out of him, and paid for it.
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Despite his martial arts training, he still got his ass handed to him. Instead of shooting the kid, he should have just manned up.. took his ass home... beat his wife or raped his cousin and called it a day. :D
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Many people suspect he did this AFTER trayvon was dead, and BEFORE police arrived.
Those many people are friggin stupid.
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Many people suspect he did this AFTER trayvon was dead, and BEFORE police arrived.
That's a bit of a stretch.
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that's a very very clear U-shape on his back head.
Maybe something else did it. Does anyone here really think the flat concrete did it?
It's entirely possible he happened to land on an object with that exact shape. It's just very fishy.. benefits his case a lot... shaped like the gun which was in his hand right then...
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that's a very very clear U-shape on his back head.
Maybe something else did it. Does anyone here really think the flat concrete did it?
It's entirely possible he happened to land on an object with that exact shape. It's just very fishy.. benefits his case a lot... shaped like the gun which was in his hand right then...
I thought we weren't trying to speculate to much?
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The theory about wound pattern on head matching his gun perfectly...
Is it stupid because "He seems like the credible, responsible type that woudln't do such a thing"?
OR
"I have a better theory how that injury was incurred?"
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I know far to many dudes like this. Pudgy psuedo toughguys with guns. I totally believe in the stand your ground law...would have no problem blowing a douchbag like martin in half with a shotgun...but if he's just walking by, come on. How well is this idiot gonna do in prison. I just had my jeep broken into in my driveway...my wolfpack didn't so much as whimper. Had I caught the assholes I would have had a hard time choosing which weapon to engage them with, but after that would have wacked them all. The cops that responded said I would have been justified.
Each state is different.....what zimmerman did was look for trouble.
Texas
Established for individual's habitation in 1995 by House Bill 94 and extended to vehicle or workplace effective September 1, 2007 by Senate Bill 378.[17] Senate Bill 378 also "abolishes the duty to retreat if the defendant can show he: (1) had a right to be present at the location where deadly force was used; (2) did not provoke the person against whom deadly force was used; and (3) was not engaged in criminal activity at the time deadly force was used."[18])
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I thought we weren't trying to speculate to much?
I've said I don't think he broke any law and that he'll be convicted to punish him for being a stupid cowboy that craved trigger time.
However, this image is very interesting... that's his gun. that' s his injury. That injury really helps his self-defense claim.
I think at the very least, it's an area worth examining.
If Trayvon had an injury shaped like an Iced-tea bottle on his head, an iced-tea bottle in his hand and was using this Iced-tea shaped injury to justify him just beating Zimmerman to death - I think we'd all be asking if the injuries might be self-inflicted.
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The theory about wound pattern on head matching his gun perfectly...
Is it stupid because "He seems like the credible, responsible type that woudln't do such a thing"?
OR
"I have a better theory how that injury was incurred?"
Is this going to be used by the defense? Something can appear like something in certain pics.
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Is this going to be used by the defense? Something can appear like something in certain pics.
He might have gotten the injury on the ground. Very possible. I'm sure they took pics of the ground and can identify the objects he landed upon.
IF he banged himself hard in the head to "make it look good" - it will throw out the credibility of everything else in his story. Even if Trayvon punched him first - If he exaggerated his injuries, yikes...
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Was that before or after Zimmerman hit himself in the head with his gun to fake his injuries? Did he also punch himself in the nose?
Not sure what you're getting at, Beach Bum. I don't know whether he did these things.
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Guys, if Zimmerman broke a law, it was by creating a dangerous situation that resulted in the death of another person. That's what he's been charged with, and that's what they're trying to sort out. It's the point of this entire discussion.
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Many people suspect he did this AFTER trayvon was dead, and BEFORE police arrived.
Those people are.fucking idiots who have no idea what they're talking about.
That curved line doesn't even begin to look like a trigger guard, for starters, not even getting into the fact that his head is curved and if couldn't possibly leave an impression like that unless his head was flat..
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Guys, if Zimmerman broke a law, it was by creating a dangerous situation that resulted in the death of another person. That's what he's been charged with, and that's what they're trying to sort out. It's the point of this entire discussion.
He's charged with murder. He is claiming self defense. The prosecution has to prove murder and disprove self defense. There is no evidence of murder and plenty of evidence of self defense.
But six people will make that determination in the next couple months.
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He's charged with murder. He is claiming self defense. The prosecution has to prove murder and disprove self defense. There is no evidence of murder and plenty of evidence of self defense.
But six people will make that determination in the next couple months.
therre is no evidence as to which man started the fight.
We know who was carrying a gun and using slurs and leading the pursuit, and who was running away.
but there is ZERO evidence who started the fight.
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therre is no evidence as to which man started the fight.
We know who was carrying a gun and using slurs and leading the pursuit, and who was running away.
but there is ZERO evidence who started the fight.
It doesn't matter who started the fight.
What slurs?
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It doesn't matter who started the fight.
What slurs?
You don't think so?
LOL
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therre is no evidence as to which man started the fight.
We know who was carrying a gun and using slurs and leading the pursuit, and who was running away.
but there is ZERO evidence who started the fight.
what slurs?
was zimmerman following trayvon at the end of the 911 call?
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He's charged with murder. He is claiming self defense. The prosecution has to prove murder and disprove self defense. There is no evidence of murder and plenty of evidence of self defense.
Both of them almost certainly feared for their lives, so not sure what you're saying.
But six people will make that determination in the next couple months.
Yes, and anything can happen. The replies on this subject should tell a person that.
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what slurs?
was zimmerman following trayvon at the end of the 911 call?
I dont want this to get passed over there tard boy.
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what slurs?
was zimmerman following trayvon at the end of the 911 call?
Yes. He gave no indication of any intent to give up his hate-fueled pursuit.
He lost sight of him for a moment. Happens all the time when chasing a person through the darkness and around buildings.
Tony, when police are chasing a bad guy, and they lose sight of him for a moment, is the chase over? Of course not. they keep running in that direction until they see the bad guy again. ZImm was trained in some LEO tactics, right?
YOU make a major assumption that a pursuit ends when the chaser loses sight of bad guy for a minute, don't you?
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You don't think so?
LOL
The last time I said this, you created a thread about it. Butterbean educated you. http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=426683.0
What was the slur?
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Both of them almost certainly feared for their lives, so not sure what you're saying.
Yes, and anything can happen. The replies on this subject should tell a person that.
Well Zimmerman was getting the crap beat out of him and was yelling for help. So yes, he probably feared for his life. That's what the evidence shows. Where is the evidence Martin feared for his life?
Yes, anything can happen. I have no idea what the jury will do. I know what should happen based on what I've seen and read so far, but anything can happen.
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Yes. He gave no indication of any intent to give up his hate-fueled pursuit.
He lost sight of him for a moment. Happens all the time when chasing a person through the darkness and around buildings.
Tony, when police are chasing a bad guy, and they lose sight of him for a moment, is the chase over? Of course not. they keep running in that direction until they see the bad guy again. ZImm was trained in some LEO tactics, right?
YOU make a major assumption that a pursuit ends when the chaser loses sight of bad guy for a minute, don't you?
I...I......I am making a major assumption? LMFAO
so we have that he was no longer following trayvon at the end of the 911 call, something you do not dispute and agree with 100% and I am making the major assumption?
sorry boss, Im not making any assumption...HE WAS NO LONGER FOLLOWING TRAYVON AT THE END OF THE 911 CALL.
If you have some evidence that he continued to look for him after he hung up please do present it.
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Well Zimmerman was getting the crap beat out of him and was yelling for help. So yes, he probably feared for his life. That's what the evidence shows. Where is the evidence Martin feared for his life?
Yes, anything can happen. I have no idea what the jury will do. I know what should happen based on what I've seen and read so far, but anything can happen.
Zimmerman's gun provides extremely convincing evidence that Martin had reason to fear for his life, so not sure what you're saying.
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I...I......I am making a major assumption? LMFAO
so we have that he was no longer following trayvon at the end of the 911 call, something you do not dispute and agree with 100% and I am making the major assumption?
sorry boss, Im not making any assumption...HE WAS NO LONGER FOLLOWING TRAYVON AT THE END OF THE 911 CALL.
If you have some evidence that he continued to look for him after he hung up please do present it.
he was most certainly still following him. He just lost momentary vision of him. We have no indication he decided to turn around. That is an ASSUMPTION that you are making, right? Sure wasn't on the 911 call.
Police lose sight of the pricks they're chasing all the time - when the chase is at night in urban areas. They keep running in that direction until they see them again.
Sorry, but I can't just accept your assumption that he stopped his pursuit. There is no indication of that.
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Tony, do you think it was inadvisable for Zimmerman to follow Martin?
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he was most certainly still following him. He just lost momentary vision of him. We have no indication he decided to turn around. That is an ASSUMPTION that you are making, right? Sure wasn't on the 911 call.
Police lose sight of the pricks they're chasing all the time - when the chase is at night in urban areas. They keep running in that direction until they see them again.
Sorry, but I can't just accept your assumption that he stopped his pursuit. There is no indication of that.
so he says "ok" when told to quit following trayvon, he says he will meet the police at the mail boxes at the end of the 911 call and your still certain that he was following him...please do connect the dots for us tard boy.
ohhhhh lets not forget that zimmerman said he stopped following him, and as we all know in this country your INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY....so please tardy show us your proof.
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Tony, do you think it was inadvisable for Zimmerman to follow Martin?
absolutely not, he was a complete and total fucktard.
that being said being a complete and total fucktard isnt a crime in and of itself, if it was 240 would be serving life...
Do you think he ran down trayvon, started a fight, shot him, bashed his own head with his gun and then came up with a story, got witnesses to corroborate his story?
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so he says "ok" when told to quit following trayvon, he says he will meet the police at the mail boxes at the end of the 911 call and your still certain that he was following him...please do connect the dots for us tard boy.
ohhhhh lets not forget that zimmerman said he stopped following him, and as we all know in this country your INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY....so please tardy show us your proof.
you're connecting dots and trying to ascertain what he "meant" or what he "intended" to do. He "must have" stopped his angry pursuit because of a momentary lapse in vision, you know, like all police and police trained wanna be's do.
You can do that, it's cool.
At least we agree that trayvon was a drug dealer, and zimm was a complete fucktard. we're really not that different, you and me.
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absolutely not, he was a complete and total fucktard.
that being said being a complete and total fucktard isnt a crime in and of itself, if it was 240 would be serving life...
Do you think he ran down trayvon, started a fight, shot him, bashed his own head with his gun and then came up with a story, got witnesses to corroborate his story?
So why wasn't it advisable for Zimmerman to follow Martin?
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Everyone should just wait for the trial to see what happens, but if he didn't break any laws and was attacked (He said, he said) then most likely he will walk.
People should just get used to that fact and Zimmerman better get his passport immediately and be on the next flight to another country.
If he stays around there, he's as dead as a Christmas goose.
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Everyone should just wait for the trial to see what happens, but if he didn't break any laws and was attacked (He said, he said) then most likely he will walk.
People should just get used to that fact and Zimmerman better get his passport immediately and be on the next flight to another country.
If he stays around there, he's as dead as a Christmas goose.
nah, he'll be fine if he beats the rap. He'll write a book, as his many supporters (who endorse cousin rape, police assault and wifebeating) will want to hear how he was victimized.
He will do a couple of high profile interviews like barbara Walters. His dad will make sure he socks away the $.. He'll live in a quiet gated community where he will spend his days hiding inside and bulking to 280 pounds.
Down the road, given his explosive personality, we'll no doubt hear about him in the news again, some assault or something. THe actual psychos cannot just turn it off. They find a way to get rowdy again.
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Zimmerman's gun provides extremely convincing evidence that Martin had reason to fear for his life, so not sure what you're saying.
The only evidence about when and how Martin saw Zimmerman's gun is from Zimmerman, who said Martin saw the gun after Martin starting pounding Zimmerman.
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The only evidence about when and how Martin saw Zimmerman's gun is from Zimmerman, who said Martin saw the gun after Martin starting pounding Zimmerman.
Is zimm's statement considered to be "evidence"?
If so, does that mean he can be cross-examined when it's introduced, so as to confirm or prove it wrong?
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Hope to see Tony and Beach Bum return to the thread.
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Quite the choir boy.
George Zimmerman's Lawyer Wants Jurors To See Photos Of Handgun, Pot Plants Found On Trayvon Martin's Cell Phone
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In a bid to muddy up Trayvon Martin in advance of trial, a lawyer for George Zimmerman has released photos of a handgun and marijuana plants that were found on the late teenager’s cell phone.
In a court filing today, attorney Mark O’Mara listed documents and images he “intends to introduce into evidence” during the criminal case against Zimmerman, who has been charged with murdering Martin. The 17-year-old was shot to death in February 2012 by Zimmerman (who claims that he fired in self-defense while being attacked by the unarmed teenager).
Included in the photos that O’Mara says he wants jurors to see are two images extracted from Martin’s Huawei phone showing a Smith & Wesson handgun and clip. In one photo (seen above) the weapon appears to be held by the person who snapped the photo. The second photo shows the gun and clip atop what appears to be a soiled mattress.
Two other photos from Martin’s phone show potted marijuana plants.
O’Mara has also notified Florida prosecutors that he will try to introduce text messages from Martin’s phone. Those messages include exchanges dealing with Martin’s suspension from school for fighting and his mother’s decision that he needed to move in with his father (from whom she was divorced). “My mom just told me i gotta mov wit my dad,” read one November 2011 message that was followed up with a text noting, “She just kickd me out : (.”
Other texts on Martin’s phone appear to refer to his use of marijuana and the offer of a gun.
Days before Martin was killed, his father sent a text with advice about how his son should behave and show respect. “Show them that you a good kid and you want positive things around you. Be a big brother and not a DONKEY …… LOVE DAD.”
O’Mara also wants to introduce several photos of Martin, including one image (seen below) showing him giving two middle fingers to the camera.
(http://i.cdn.turner.com/dr/teg/tsg/release/sites/default/files/assets/tmfingerssmall.jpg)
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/Trayvon-Martin-evidence-photos-679832
Fuck you, the kid was murdered.
Asshole.
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Fuck you, the kid was murdered.
Asshole.
Mons Venus are you trying to say Zimmerman will be convicted?
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So why wasn't it advisable for Zimmerman to follow Martin?
sorry, meant to say that it was inadvisable for zimmerman to get out of his car and try to follow trayvon.
He was a fucking moron but being a moron isnt a crime.
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Zimmerman's gun provides extremely convincing evidence that Martin had reason to fear for his life, so not sure what you're saying.
I asked you this already but you havent answered.
what makes you think trayvon knew zimmerman had a gun before the altercation?
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sorry, meant to say that it was inadvisable for zimmerman to get out of his car and try to follow trayvon.
He was a fucking moron but being a moron isnt a crime.
I figured you meant that, Tony. So why was it a bad idea for Zimmerman to follow Martin?
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I figured you meant that, Tony. So why was it a bad idea for Zimmerman to follow Martin?
mainly b.c it put himself in harms way, but again doing so isnt illegal.
Now please tell us why you feel trayvon knew about the gun before the altercation?
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I asked you this already but you havent answered.
what makes you think trayvon knew zimmerman had a gun before the altercation?
I believe the gun caused an altercation to become physical, which resulted in a pinning style of fighting.
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I believe the gun caused an altercation to become physical, which resulted in a pinning style of fighting.
I asked WHY you believe this......what is your basis for this belief in other words?
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mainly b.c it put himself in harms way, but again doing so isnt illegal.
Didn't you forget to add some people to that list...potential bystanders, etc.? How about Martin?
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Didn't you forget to add some people to that list...potential bystanders, etc.? How about Martin?
sure you could add them in there if youd like, you asked why I thought it was inadvisable.
again he did nothing illegal so....
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sure you could add them in there if youd like, you asked why I thought it was inadvisable.
again he did nothing illegal so....
So you acknowledge that he created a dangerous situation. Would that be a fair statement?
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So you acknowledge that he created a dangerous situation. Would that be a fair statement?
no more than trayvon did by being there, did trayvon create a dangerous situation?
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I asked WHY you believe this......what is your basis for this belief in other words?
are you going to answer this?
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are you going to answer this?
For you, I'll lay out a case against Zimmerman. But only if you continue to follow the current line we're on right now.
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For you, I'll lay out a case against Zimmerman. But only if you continue to follow the current line we're on right now.
LOL what line is that?
go ahead and please only use verifiable facts, no opinions, personal views or guesses....
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no more than trayvon did by being there, did trayvon create a dangerous situation?
Only Zimmerman was responsible for the gun.
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Only Zimmerman was responsible for the gun.
and again I ask, how do you know the gun was known to trayvon before the altercation??????????????????
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The line of reasoning, Tony. It's the only way to separate the truth from the noise.
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Only Zimmerman was responsible for the gun.
carrying a gun as a licensed concealed carry holder is what?
A) LEGAL ALL DAY ALL NIGHT
B) Illegal
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Zimmerman was the person responsible for the gun. He created a dangerous situation. Do you deny this?
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The line of reasoning, Tony. It's the only way to separate the truth from the noise.
sure and in that line of truth, no opinions, no guesses...only verifiable facts.
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Zimmerman was the person responsible for the gun. He created a dangerous situation. Do you deny this?
yes, b/c the zimmerman with a gun ESPECIALLY AS A CONCEALED CARRY HOLDER in and of itself is not a dangerous situation.
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yes, b/c the zimmerman with a gun ESPECIALLY AS A CONCEALED CARRY HOLDER in and of itself is not a dangerous situation.
If he directs himself toward what he knows to be potential conflict, with his gun, he creates a dangerous situation.
Will you continue to deny this?
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You're not getting out of this one, Tony.
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So sick of this - F ashtrayvon - it was only a matter of time.
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If he directs himself toward what he knows to be potential conflict, with his gun, he creates a dangerous situation.
Will you continue to deny this?
again he is no more responsible for the situation than trayvon is...
will you continue to deny this?
You're not getting out of this one, Tony.
LOL getting out of what, your whole argument is based on the assumption that trayvon knew about the gun before the altercation....
hahaha again what proof do you have for this Jack?
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See, the only way Zimmerman could have approached this - if he wasn't a terminal nitwit - would be to properly control Martin at straight gunpoint until the police arrived.
So why do you suppose he didn't do that?
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again he is no more responsible for the situation than trayvon is...
Is this your way of saying that Zimmerman somehow holds responsibility, Tony?
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LOL at any belief that fat man with front IWB holster can run with a 9mm in waistband and not be fcking obvious :)
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LOL at any belief that fat man with front IWB holster can run with a 9mm in waistband and not be fcking obvious :)
So is it your idea that Martin knew about the gun from Zimmerman's body language, and that's why he (Martin) ran? And is it your idea that the only way Martin was unable to outdistance Zimmerman was due to Zimmerman heading him off via a shortcut?
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So is it your idea that Martin knew about the gun from Zimmerman's body language, and that's why he (Martin) ran? And is it your idea that the only way Martin was unable to outdistance Zimmerman was due to Zimmerman heading him off via a shortcut?
I think, given zimm's record and propensity to show off guns, push cops, beat women, and fingerfvck minors... that he isn't the type to keep a gun concealed ;)
Also yes, it looks a lot like he took the backyards to cut off trayvon. That is the belief of the prosecutor and would explain how fat man could have caught teenager. Cut thru yards. intercept and demand "identify yourself" to the minor, leading to confrontation.
What would any getbigger do if armed fat man chased you two blocks in yards, then intercepted you at close boundaries? His brains would be on the @##(^&@ street if that was a lot of people.
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See, the only way Zimmerman could have approached this - if he wasn't a terminal nitwit - would be to properly control Martin at straight gunpoint until the police arrived.
So why do you suppose he didn't do that?
LMFAO and what evidence do you have to support this?
you talk of truth and then inject this completely arbitrary and conjured up position...
what is this truth you speak of?
If zimmerman did that then yes he bears great responsibility for the events that followed.
THE ISSUE YOU MORONS HAVE IS THERE IS ABBBBSSSSSOOOOOOLLLLLUUU UTTTEEEELLLLLLYYYYYY NOTHING TO SUPPORT YOUR CLAIM
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LOL you two circle jerking each other to this is fucking priceless
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LMFAO and what evidence do you have to support this?
you talk of truth and then inject this completely arbitrary and conjured up position...
what is this truth you speak of?
If zimmerman did that then yes he bears great responsibility for the events that followed.
THE ISSUE YOU MORONS HAVE IS THERE IS ABBBBSSSSSOOOOOOLLLLLUUU UTTTEEEELLLLLLYYYYYY NOTHING TO SUPPORT YOUR CLAIM
If Zimmerman did that, it is overwhelmingly likely that Martin would have been questioned by the police.
Would you deny that, Tony?
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If zimmerman did that then yes he bears great responsibility for the events that followed.
So you're saying if zimmerman took the path through the yards to intercept and block path - then he bears great responsibility for the events?
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So sick of this - F Trayvon.
Had he not been thugging up da hood he would be alive today
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What post did you mean to quote, Tony?
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If Zimmerman did that, it is overwhelmingly likely that Martin would have been questioned by the police.
Would you deny that, Tony?
no b/c you have not proof that zimmerman confronted trayvon instead of trayvon confronting zimmerman like was stated by zimmerman.
If zimmerman made trayvon get down on his knees before killing him he would be a murderer
If zimmerman raped trayvon before he shot him he would be a rapists...
IF, IF, IF...
quit dealing with IF and deal with the facts we have at hand....this is not the what if game, its the WHAT CAN WE PROVE HAPPEND GAME!!!
what part of that do you not understand?
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if trayvon had jumped zimmerman would zimmerman have been justified in his self defense?
we can all play the "if" game...::)
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no b/c you have not proof that zimmerman confronted trayvon instead of trayvon confronting zimmerman like was stated by zimmerman.
If zimmerman made trayvon get down on his knees before killing him he would be a murderer
If zimmerman raped trayvon before he shot him he would be a rapists...
IF, IF, IF...
quit dealing with IF and deal with the facts we have at hand....this is not the what if game, its the WHAT CAN WE PROVE HAPPEND GAME!!!
what part of that do you not understand?
I don't understand what post you're talking about.
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I don't understand what post you're talking about.
any of your posts!!!! FUKING PICK ONE LOL
if you have to start every post with "IF" YOUR NOT USING FACTS!!!! hahahhaha
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Sounds good to me. No more 'ifs'.
Let's pick up where we left off:
Is this your way of saying that Zimmerman somehow holds responsibility, Tony?
We're talking about the fact that Zimmerman directed himself toward what he knew to be potential conflict, armed with a gun.
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Sounds good to me. No more 'ifs'.
Let's pick up where we left off:
Remember: we're talking about the fact that Zimmerman directed himself toward what he knew to be potential conflict, armed with a gun.
LMFAO as a concealed carry holder...sure
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LMFAO as a concealed carry holder...sure
What's "sure"?
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What's "sure"?
I am agreeing with you Jackson
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I am agreeing with you Jackson
So you can understand where the idea comes from that Zimmerman deserves the charge he got.
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So you can understand where the idea comes from that Zimmerman deserves the charge he got.
LMFAO ahhh nooooo, what he did is not illegal...
tell me what law he broke by doing trying to keep an eye on someone he though might be engaging in criminal activity?
if you feel that way do you also feel that trayvon is responsible b/c he ran?
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So you can understand where the idea comes from that Zimmerman deserves the charge he got.
I can understand why people who let their emotions do their thinking might feel this way but not why a person who is looking at the law would feel this way.
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Tony, it becomes illegal when it's attached to an unlawful death. That's what the entire matter comes down to.
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Tony, it becomes illegal when it's attached to an unlawful death. That's what the entire matter comes down to.
again, what part of his actions were unlawful?
hahaha you cant just say it without providing reasons for its, simply saying it doesnt make it so no matter how bad your emotions want it to be.
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again, what part of his actions were unlawful?
hahaha you cant just say it without providing reasons for its, simply saying it doesnt make it so no matter how bad your emotions want it to be.
Look up the definition of the charge on your most trusted site and get back to me, bro.
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Look up the definition of the charge on your most trusted site and get back to me, bro.
how about you just explain you reasoning?
you spend an hour with "if"s but cant take 5 mins to explain your facts behind your beliefs ::)
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how about you just explain you reasoning?
you spend an hour with "if"s but cant take 5 mins to explain your facts behind your beliefs ::)
If a person creates a dangerous situation that shows a lack of proper regard for life, and someone dies in the process, the person that created the situation may be charged with Murder, in Florida.
Would you go so far as to deny that?
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...or would you rather look it up for yourself, first?
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I'm with 333 on this one...
One piece of shit was mad that another piece of shit was keeping tabs on him as he went through a neighborhood, he decided to kept it real, a fistfight ensued, and one piece of shit wound up getting shot as the other piece of shit had been slamming his head into the concrete.
It's fucking pathetic, and who the fuck cares anymore.
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here you go boss...
second degree murder n. a non-premeditated killing, resulting from an assault in which death of the victim was a distinct possibility.
so what are you basing your assumption on that zimmerman assaulted trayvon?
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I'm with 333 on this one...
One piece of shit was mad that another piece of shit was keeping tabs on him as he went through a neighborhood, he decided to kept it real, a fistfight ensued, and one piece of shit wound up getting shot as the other piece of shit had been slamming his head into the concrete.
It's fucking pathetic, and who the fuck cares anymore.
FUCKING RACIST!!!!
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here you go boss...
second degree murder n. a non-premeditated killing, resulting from an assault in which death of the victim was a distinct possibility.
so what are you basing your assumption on that zimmerman assaulted trayvon?
Please source it, Tony.
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If a person creates a dangerous situation that shows a lack of proper regard for life, and someone dies in the process, the person that created the situation may be charged with Murder, in Florida.
Would you go so far as to deny that?
Not quite...
here you go boss...
second degree murder n. a non-premeditated killing, resulting from an assault in which death of the victim was a distinct possibility.
so what are you basing your assumption on that zimmerman assaulted trayvon?
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Please source it, Tony.
for fucks sake, youre the tard who told me to look it up for myself ::)
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/second+degree+murder
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Tony, we're talking about Florida.
Here is the exact wording:
"The unlawful killing of a human being, when perpetrated by any act imminently dangerous to another and evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life, although without any premeditated design to effect the death of any particular individual, is murder in the second degree and constitutes a felony of the first degree..."
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Tony, we're talking about Florida.
Here is the exact wording:
"The unlawful killing of a human being, when perpetrated by any act imminently dangerous to another and evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life, although without any premeditated design to effect the death of any particular individual, is murder in the second degree and constitutes a felony of the first degree..."
and Ive asked you this before, what do you have to believe that the killing was unlawful?
where did zimmerman show a mindless regard for human life?
LOL you shouldnt have posted this it makes you look like an even bigger retard than you already did!!!
Going off zimmermans story trayvon attacked him, he killed in self defense...THAT IS LAWFUL!!!!!
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and Ive asked you this before, what do you have to believe that the killing was unlawful?
where did zimmerman show a mindless regard for human life?
LOL you shouldnt have posted this it makes you look like an even bigger retard than you already did!!!
Going off zimmermans story trayvon attacked him, he killed in self defense...THAT IS LAWFUL!!!!!
Do you mean a disregard for human life?
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Juries don't always follow the law. ZImmerman might have "technically" not broken any law - cause the law is so vague that one can claim they feared an 80 year old woman in an alley and had to cap her.
The law is so vague that often juries will just make up their own justice.
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Juries don't always follow the law. ZImmerman might have "technically" not broken any law - cause the law is so vague that one can claim they feared an 80 year old woman in an alley and had to cap her.
The law is so vague that often juries will just make up their own justice.
If a jury decides that Martin died while rightfully trying to save himself, then Zimmerman's act of directing himself toward Martin is combined with the death - making that combination the offense.
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Quite the choir boy.
George Zimmerman's Lawyer Wants Jurors To See Photos Of Handgun, Pot Plants Found On Trayvon Martin's Cell Phone
(http://i.cdn.turner.com/dr/teg/tsg/release/sites/default/files/assets/tmgunhandsm.jpg)
In a bid to muddy up Trayvon Martin in advance of trial, a lawyer for George Zimmerman has released photos of a handgun and marijuana plants that were found on the late teenager’s cell phone.
In a court filing today, attorney Mark O’Mara listed documents and images he “intends to introduce into evidence” during the criminal case against Zimmerman, who has been charged with murdering Martin. The 17-year-old was shot to death in February 2012 by Zimmerman (who claims that he fired in self-defense while being attacked by the unarmed teenager).
Included in the photos that O’Mara says he wants jurors to see are two images extracted from Martin’s Huawei phone showing a Smith & Wesson handgun and clip. In one photo (seen above) the weapon appears to be held by the person who snapped the photo. The second photo shows the gun and clip atop what appears to be a soiled mattress.
Two other photos from Martin’s phone show potted marijuana plants.
O’Mara has also notified Florida prosecutors that he will try to introduce text messages from Martin’s phone. Those messages include exchanges dealing with Martin’s suspension from school for fighting and his mother’s decision that he needed to move in with his father (from whom she was divorced). “My mom just told me i gotta mov wit my dad,” read one November 2011 message that was followed up with a text noting, “She just kickd me out : (.”
Other texts on Martin’s phone appear to refer to his use of marijuana and the offer of a gun.
Days before Martin was killed, his father sent a text with advice about how his son should behave and show respect. “Show them that you a good kid and you want positive things around you. Be a big brother and not a DONKEY …… LOVE DAD.”
O’Mara also wants to introduce several photos of Martin, including one image (seen below) showing him giving two middle fingers to the camera.
(http://i.cdn.turner.com/dr/teg/tsg/release/sites/default/files/assets/tmfingerssmall.jpg)
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/Trayvon-Martin-evidence-photos-679832
The police instructed Zimmerman NOT to pursue Martin.
If Zimmerman listened to law enforcement Martin would be alive.
End of story.
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The police instructed Zimmerman NOT to pursue Martin.
If Zimmerman listened to law enforcement Martin would be alive.
End of story.
http://www.gzdefensefund.com/donate
;D
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The police instructed Zimmerman NOT to pursue Martin.
If Zimmerman listened to law enforcement Martin would be alive.
End of story.
You must have been reading Lurker's comments in this thread. No, the police did not instruct Zimmerman to do anything. A 911 operator told him he didn't to follow Martin and Zimmerman responded "ok." A 911 operator is not "the police."
If Martin hadn't beaten the crap out of Zimmerman, he would still be alive.
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Lynch mob.
Chris Rock: ‘George Zimmerman Can Eat a D—k!’
By Noel Sheppard | June 14, 2013
As most Americans are painfully aware, the liberal media have already convicted George Zimmerman for killing Trayvon Martin even though the actual trial beyond the jury selection phase hasn’t yet begun.
Count Chris Rock amongst them, for on the FX program that he is the executive producer of – Totally Biased starring W. Kamau Bell – Rock actually said, “George Zimmerman can eat a d—k!” (video follows with transcript and commentary):
W. KAMAU BELL: George Zimmerman, you are a profiling, vigilante, racist, right-wing, trigger-happy, child-killing coward. I want to rip off your nuts, shove them down your throat, pull them back out your ass, toss them like dice, roll a hard six, pick them back up, put them in a blender, make a nut smoothie, drink it all down, feel refreshed, piss it back out, take off your shirt, wipe it up, wash your shirt on high –oh, it’s gonna shrink – put the shirt on a dog, call that dog a cat, laugh at your cat-dog, drop you both off at a Crip cook-out in Compton!
This was greeted with cheers and applause from the studio audience, after which the shot cut to Rock sitting in the production booth with a box of popcorn laughing his head off.
“This guy is good,” Rock said. “We should give him a nightly show this fall.”
Rock then turn to the camera and continued, “Oh yeah – George Zimmerman can eat a dick!”
This was once again met with cheers and applause from the studio audience.
Is this how justice works in America now?
Members of the media decide who’s guilty and innocent before a jury even hears all the evidence?
How thoroughly disgraceful.
Don't these folks realize that their actions could lead to riots all around America if Zimmerman is found innocent?
Exactly when did the judicial system in our country get thrown out and replaced by media members with an agenda?
Rock, FX, Fox, and News Corporation should all be ashamed of themselves.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2013/06/14/chris-rock-george-zimmerman-can-eat-d-k
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You must have been reading Lurker's comments in this thread. No, the police did not instruct Zimmerman to do anything. A 911 operator told him he didn't to follow Martin and Zimmerman responded "ok." A 911 operator is not "the police."
If Martin hadn't beaten the crap out of Zimmerman, he would still be alive.
If Zimmerman had followed the ORDERS given to him by 911, Getbiggers would not be subjected to your retarded unintelligent posts regarding this case
Conclusion: 37,000 posts & you're still a fu&king moron
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It's a complex situation... Trayvon certainly hadn't committed a crime either... At least not before he felt he was being followed and decided to meet the situation head on.
I've often said that while 911 is not "the police", they are given guidelines to give to citizens that are to mitigate risk and danger. Sure, they aren't cops, but they are empowered by police forces to give what they (the force) believe to be the correct actions while on the phone.
There is a lot of blame to go around to be fair... Martin for attacking Zimmerman (If that's indeed how it went down) and Zimmerman for actually following with intent confront Martin.
I do not see murder as an accurate charge of course... Manslaughter perhaps... Murder is a huge over reach and he will be found not guilty.
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If Zimmerman had followed the ORDERS given to him by 911, Getbiggers would not be subjected to your retarded unintelligent posts regarding this case
Conclusion: 37,000 posts & you're still a fu&king moron
Don't forget the illogical conclusion and evidence that Trayvon broke drug laws THAT DAY as evident by the trace amounts of pot found in his system.
Talk about a lynch mob... some on here just want Zimm to found innocent for no other reason than to justify their own biased viewpoint.
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don't forget the one when he could tell trayvon smoked that day by lookin at a picture :D :D :D :D :D lynch mob
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don't forget the one when he could tell trayvon smoked that day by lookin at a picture :D :D :D :D :D lynch mob
"If I pass a turd in the morning - it would look like Trayvon"
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If Zimmerman had followed the ORDERS given to him by 911, Getbiggers would not be subjected to your retarded unintelligent posts regarding this case
Conclusion: 37,000 posts & you're still a fu&king moron
He did follow the order given to him by the 911 operator, according to the 911 transcript.
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"If I pass a turd in the morning - it would look like Trayvon"
That's just wrong, but it did make me lol.
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Do you mean a disregard for human life?
Im sorry tard, where did zimmerman act "evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life"?
and please no "ifs"
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Juries don't always follow the law. ZImmerman might have "technically" not broken any law - cause the law is so vague that one can claim they feared an 80 year old woman in an alley and had to cap her.
The law is so vague that often juries will just make up their own justice.
I dont think there is anything vague about having someone on top of you beating you, bashing your head into the concrete and reaching for your gun.....
yea thats real vague.....::)
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If Zimmerman had followed the ORDERS given to him by 911, Getbiggers would not be subjected to your retarded unintelligent posts regarding this case
Conclusion: 37,000 posts & you're still a fu&king moron
what makes you think he disobeyed these orders enigma?
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It's a complex situation... Trayvon certainly hadn't committed a crime either... At least not before he felt he was being followed and decided to meet the situation head on.
I've often said that while 911 is not "the police", they are given guidelines to give to citizens that are to mitigate risk and danger. Sure, they aren't cops, but they are empowered by police forces to give what they (the force) believe to be the correct actions while on the phone.
There is a lot of blame to go around to be fair... Martin for attacking Zimmerman (If that's indeed how it went down) and Zimmerman for actually following with intent confront Martin.
I do not see murder as an accurate charge of course... Manslaughter perhaps... Murder is a huge over reach and he will be found not guilty.
agreed on most, there is no evidence to show tha tmartin was following trayvon with the intent to confront him.
Also there is no evidence to show that martin continued to follow him after being told not to...
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The pro Ashtray crowd on the board seems to be suggesting that by virtue of questioning Martin and walking next to him, Zimmerman deserved to get his ass kicked. After all, Martin was not doing anything illegal. Zimmerman had it coming.
Here is the inverse application of the same logic: Martin deserved to be shot. After all, Zimmerman was not doing anything illegal. Martin attacked Zimmerman and Zimmerman defended himself. Martin had it coming.
The point of the matter is that you can't have it both ways. If the first set of circumstances fits, so does the second.
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Im sorry tard, where did zimmerman act "evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life"?
and please no "ifs"
What do you call such selfish risk of others' lives, Tony?
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The pro Ashtray crowd on the board seems to be suggesting that by virtue of questioning Martin and walking next to him, Zimmerman deserved to get his ass kicked. After all, Martin was not doing anything illegal. Zimmerman had it coming.
Here is the inverse application of the same logic: Martin deserved to be shot. After all, Zimmerman was not doing anything illegal. Martin attacked Zimmerman and Zimmerman defended himself. Martin had it coming.
The point of the matter is that you can't have it both ways. If the first set of circumstances fits, so does the second.
Good point.
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http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/thought_they_were_going_to_attack_fFElaJLdcnCNrtHLVoqwEI (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/thought_they_were_going_to_attack_fFElaJLdcnCNrtHLVoqwEI)
Curious for the boards opinion on this story.
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Don't forget the illogical conclusion and evidence that Trayvon broke drug laws THAT DAY as evident by the trace amounts of pot found in his system.
Talk about a lynch mob... some on here just want Zimm to found innocent for no other reason than to justify their own biased viewpoint.
Myself, I think it's a matter of certain people feeling threatened by young black kids on a daily basis, and this case has become a vicarious outlet for them.
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The pro Ashtray crowd on the board seems to be suggesting that by virtue of questioning Martin and walking next to him, Zimmerman deserved to get his ass kicked. After all, Martin was not doing anything illegal. Zimmerman had it coming.
Here is the inverse application of the same logic: Martin deserved to be shot. After all, Zimmerman was not doing anything illegal. Martin attacked Zimmerman and Zimmerman defended himself. Martin had it coming.
The point of the matter is that you can't have it both ways. If the first set of circumstances fits, so does the second.
Perhaps. However I have never said that Trayvon didn't deserve to be shot. I have always said that this shouldn't be a case of Stand Your Ground law when it was Zimmerman that provoked the conflict by following this kid who was doing nothing more than minding his own business. Clearly if you are doing something that the other person may think is threatening to their safety, when they start whooping your ass then you just need to suck it up and take it. If Zimmerman wasn't trying to be a one man patrol unit, then neither of them would be where they are now.
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Myself, I think it's a matter of certain people feeling threatened by young black kids on a daily basis, and this case has become a vicarious outlet for them.
Exactly. Their insecurity/inferiority complex will not allow them to actually entertain the notion that perhaps Trayvon did nothing that warranted a death sentence at the hands of someone that clearly had anger management issues.
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Luckily for Zimmerman, there are a lot of ignorant bigots around. There are so many, in fact, that he actually stands a fair chance of getting a jury loaded with them.
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Exactly. Their insecurity/inferiority complex will not allow them to actually entertain the notion that perhaps Trayvon did nothing that warranted a death sentence at the hands of someone that clearly had anger management issues.
I'd say you hit it, right here.
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What do you call such selfish risk of others' lives, Tony?
you mean following someone?
following someone is selfish risk of others lives?
LMFAO
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you mean following someone?
following someone is selfish risk of others lives?
LMFAO
I am talking about directing oneself toward known potential conflict, while armed.
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LOL at lurker and jack, how about some ppl just want to see the evidence instead of jumping to conclusions with what ifs and making up "facts"?
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I am talking about directing oneself toward known potential conflict, while armed.
by this definition no one with a concealed carry would be able to question anyone...
youre a grade a fucking moron
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by this definition no one with a concealed carry would be able to question anyone...
youre a grade a fucking moron
...with or without the death, Tony?
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Here is the list of the 29 potential jurors who have made the cut so far. http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2013/6/14/george_zimmerman_jur.html
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...with or without the death, Tony?
both by your idiocy...
its idiotic to think that zimmerman briefly following trayvon constitutes "evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life"?
if you have other evidence then please give it, otherwise why dont we wait until condemning evidence to come out before you condemn him
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will the fact zimmerman had such a violent and fcked up past MATTER to jurors?
I mean, if the local priest had a run-in with trayvon and shot him, would things be the same?
Should, and does, it matter that zimmerman had several run-ins with the law and was obviously and provably a violent guy?
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will the fact zimmerman had such a violent and fcked up past MATTER to jurors?
I mean, if the local priest had a run-in with trayvon and shot him, would things be the same?
Should, and does, it matter that zimmerman had several run-ins with the law and was obviously and provably a violent guy?
thats up to the jury to decide either way thats not proof of anything....
should it matter to the jury that trayvon was a violent drug user?
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both by your idiocy...
its idiotic to think that zimmerman briefly following trayvon constitutes "evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life"?
if you have other evidence then please give it, otherwise why dont we wait until condemning evidence to come out before you condemn him
Knowingly directing himself toward potential conflict while armed is doing exactly that. He was selfishly gambling with the lives of others.
By his own words, Martin nearly took control and possession of the gun during the fight.
So how can you say otherwise? I want an honest answer, Tony.
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Knowingly directing himself toward potential conflict while armed is doing exactly that. He was selfishly gambling with the lives of others.
By his own words, Martin nearly took control and possession of the gun during the fight.
So how can you say otherwise? I want an honest answer, Tony.
b/c its to broad by that moronic logic anytime a person with a legal concealed carry permit got in an altercation and something like that happend they would be guilty of murder...
youre a fucking moron, you just used his justification for self defense to try and make your idiotic point.
simply briefly following someone is not evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life, only a complete and total fucking idiot would buy that shit
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b/c its to broad by that moronic logic anytime a person with a legal concealed carry permit got in an altercation and something like that happend they would be guilty of murder...
youre a fucking moron, you just used his justification for self defense to try and make your idiotic point.
simply briefly following someone is not evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life, only a complete and total fucking idiot would buy that shit
Something like...?
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agreed on most, there is no evidence to show tha tmartin was following trayvon with the intent to confront him.
Also there is no evidence to show that martin continued to follow him after being told not to...
i would say that following him shows some confrontational intent.
I can see people disagreeing though.
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Something like...?
something like being assaulted by another person and defending yourself.
unless you have evidence that it didnt happen like zimmerman said....
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i would say that following him shows some confrontational intent.
I can see people disagreeing though.
not at all, he could have simply been trying to keep an eye on him...its debateable but unless it can be proven that he intended to not only make contact but to assault trayvon it doesnt constitute murder or even man slaughter to me.
manslaughter is a charge i think the prosecution could have a chance with, second degree murder...its just fuking stupid unless they have evidence not known to the public.
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something like being assaulted by another person and defending yourself.
unless you have evidence that it didnt happen like zimmerman said....
Are you referring hypothetically to a situation under Florida law, whereby the shooter has knowingly directed himself toward potential conflict while armed?
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Are you referring hypothetically to a situation under Florida law, whereby the shooter has knowingly directed himself toward potential conflict while armed?
there are potential conflicts EVERYWHERE!!! thats why they created the concealed carry law you fucking retard
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there are potential conflicts EVERYWHERE!!! thats why they created the concealed carry law you fucking retard
We're talking about one conflict in particular, Tony.
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We're talking about one conflict in particular, Tony.
laws are not meant to apply to one specific incident, laws apply to all incidents....
if your interpretation of the law was correct, there are potential conflicts anytime someone steps out their door and by stepping out of their door they are also responsible...
its fucking moronic
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laws are not meant to apply to one specific incident, laws apply to all incidents....
if your interpretation of the law was correct, there are potential conflicts anytime someone steps out their door and by stepping out of their door they are also responsible...
its fucking moronic
...steps out of their door to knowingly direct themselves toward conflict, while armed, you mean? I'm not going to let you describe this as any other behavior.
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...steps out of their door to knowingly direct themselves toward conflict, while armed, you mean? I'm not going to let you describe this as any other behavior.
wow youre fuking dense...
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wow youre fuking dense...
You're not going to describe this as any other behavior. It's that simple.
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Here's an image gallery, from the link BB posted:
http://www.cfnews13.com/zimmermantrial.html#photos
You can scroll underneath the viewer on the page, there are a few dozen pictures.
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You're not going to describe this as any other behavior. It's that simple.
describe what?
getting out of your car to investigate a potential crime as "evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life" I mean who in their right mind would think that anybody that would do such a thing had any regard at all for human life...
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...steps out of their door to knowingly direct themselves toward conflict, while armed, you mean? I'm not going to let you describe this as any other behavior.
Jesus Christ your posts are irritating. You're trying way to hard to sound intelligent and you just come across as a moronic ass.
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Jesus Christ your posts are irritating. You're trying way to hard to sound intelligent and you just come across as a moronic ass.
Hurt much, Cockwave?
Please be specific about what's moronic, or kindly STFU.
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Being stupid is a terrible way to go through life.
If you can't produce an argument, please step back.
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Hurt much, Cockwave?
Please be specific about what's moronic, or kindly STFU.
the idea that getting out of your car to talk to someone if that is "evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life"
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the idea that getting out of your car to talk to someone if that is "evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life"
..with a gun, knowingly heading toward conflict.
I've been very patient with you, Tony, but I'm beginning to think you may have brain damage.
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Come on, guys. I know you aren't this dumb.
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..with a gun, knowingly heading toward conflict.
I've been very patient with you, Tony, but I'm beginning to think you may have brain damage.
its potential conflict....
and thats fine you can keep saying it, it doesnt demonstrate that he was "evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life"
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We are talking about a guy that has a history of beating his wife, sexually abusing his cousin, assaulting a police officer, and calling 911 almost 50 times in (what?) six months over stupid shit like trash in the road. Despite living in the community he was "patroling" as a busybody everyday, he could not give the operator the exact address where he was. Profiling a kid that he didn't even know and had not seen commit any crime and deciding to pursue him.
Does this sound like the actions of a sane man that wasn't seeking a conflict of some kind?
Really, what's the excuse going to be when he is found guilty?
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its potential conflict....
and thats fine you can keep saying it, it doesnt demonstrate that he was "evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life"
What exactly does it demonstrate?
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We are talking about a guy that has a history of beating his wife, sexually abusing his cousin, assaulting a police officer, and calling 911 almost 50 times in (what?) six months over stupid shit like trash in the road. Despite living in the community he was "patroling" as a busybody everyday, he could not give the operator the exact address where he was. Profiling a kid that he didn't even know and had not seen commit any crime and deciding to pursue him.
Does this sound like the actions of a sane man that wasn't seeking a conflict of some kind?
Really, what's the excuse going to be when he is found guilty?
LMFAO i couldnt give you my neighbor across the streets address other than the street, he did give the 911 operator(aka officer ;)) the directions to get to him.
youre also talking about a known drug abusing teen with a propensity to violence.
if the jury weighs the evidence and finds him guilty thats fine but you retards are basing all your shit on "ifs" and extreme stretches of written law.
how about we all just wait to condemn this guy until he is trial is over and verdict is in?
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What exactly does it demonstrate?
not in any way "evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life"
do you believe that his actions show "evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life?"
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We are talking about a guy that has a history of beating his wife
Absolutely false.
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LMFAO i couldnt give you my neighbor across the streets address other than the street, he did give the 911 operator(aka officer ;)) the directions to get to him.
youre also talking about a known drug abusing teen with a propensity to violence.
if the jury weighs the evidence and finds him guilty thats fine but you retards are basing all your shit on "ifs" and extreme stretches of written law.
how about we all just wait to condemn this guy until he is trial is over and verdict is in?
I am sure you don't patrol your neighborhood on a daily basis like he did. Or if you can't give your neighbors address that is across the street, you are just stupid. Take your pick, doesn't really matter to me. And he clearly said that he didn't know where he was in the community. Yeah... that sounds like a real qualified neighborhood watch candidate.
We are also talking about a known wannabe cop with anger management issues and a propensity to violence. So what is your point exactly?
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We are talking about a guy that has a history of beating his wife, sexually abusing his cousin, assaulting a police officer, and calling 911 almost 50 times in (what?) six months over stupid shit like trash in the road. Despite living in the community he was "patroling" as a busybody everyday, he could not give the operator the exact address where he was. Profiling a kid that he didn't even know and had not seen commit any crime and deciding to pursue him.
Does this sound like the actions of a sane man that wasn't seeking a conflict of some kind?
Really, what's the excuse going to be when he is found guilty?
...on top of that, he knew the potential for conflict was significant, even if he wasn't seeking it.
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I am sure you don't patrol your neighborhood on a daily basis like he did. Or if you can't give your neighbors address that is across the street, you are just stupid. Take your pick, doesn't really matter to me. And he clearly said that he didn't know where he was in the community. Yeah... that sounds like a real qualified neighborhood watch candidate.
We are also talking about a known wannabe cop with anger management issues and a propensity to violence. So what is your point exactly?
maybe you missed it the national sheriffs association or whoever oversees neighbor hood watch orgs said they didnt have any record of him in a neighborhood watch....
and he clearly gave them directions to the mailbox he was near....
my point is both of them are fucktards and by trying to paint only one as a retard you give the other a pass. Both of these idiots were responsible for what happend that night and it was simply a situation where shit went wrong due to actions on both sides.
If you cant admit that then your just a fucking biased as jackass
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...on top of that, he knew the potential for conflict was significant, even if he wasn't seeking it.
and that proves "evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life"?
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not in any way "evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life"
do you believe that his actions show "evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life?"
So please give your own description, and maybe I'll agree.
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Absolutely false.
According to who? Oh gee... it's his fiancee... not his wife. That really changes his actions. ::)
In August 2005, Zimmerman’s ex-fiancee, Veronica Zuazo, filed a civil motion for a restraining order alleging domestic violence. Zimmerman counterfiled for a restraining order against Zuazo. The competing claims were resolved with both restraining orders’ being granted.
Apparently being arrested for domestic violence is pretty good proof that he was beating someone.
Bottom line, he had anger management issues that only fed into his insecurity/inferiority complex.
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So please give your own description, and maybe I'll agree.
definition of what jackass?
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maybe you missed it the national sheriffs association or whoever oversees neighbor hood watch orgs said they didnt have any record of him in a neighborhood watch....
and he clearly gave them directions to the mailbox he was near....
my point is both of them are fucktards and by trying to paint only one as a retard you give the other a pass. Both of these idiots were responsible for what happend that night and it was simply a situation where shit went wrong due to actions on both sides.
If you cant admit that then your just a fucking biased as jackass
Perhaps you can show me where I have given one fucktard a pass?
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According to who? Oh gee... it's his fiancee... not his wife. That really changes his actions. ::)
Apparently being arrested for domestic violence is pretty good proof that he was beating someone.
Bottom line, he had anger management issues that only fed into his insecurity/inferiority complex.
Who the heck are you? 240? Just make stuff up as you go along?
No, fiance is not a wife.
No, he was never arrested for domestic violence.
He and his girlfriend both filed restraining orders against each other. Both were granted. Sounds like a mutual stay-away.
But hey if that means = "a guy that has a history of beating his wife" to you, then more power to you.
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Both of these idiots were responsible for what happend that night
Please go into detail, Tony.
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Who the heck are you? 240? Just make stuff up as you go along?
No, fiance is not a wife.
No, he was never arrested for domestic violence.
He and his girlfriend both filed restraining orders against each other. Both were granted. Sounds like a mutual stay-away.
But hey if that means = "a guy that has a history of beating his wife" to you, then more power to you.
Right... what else would domestic violence refer to? Perhaps that arrest for assaulting a police officer was something completely different too?
It's going to break your little heart when the guilty verdict comes back.
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Right... what else would domestic violence refer to? Perhaps that arrest for assaulting a police officer was something completely different too?
It's going to break your little heart when the guilty verdict comes back.
You mean the arrest for assualting an officer that was wiped from his record? But don't let the facts get in the way or anything.
It's not my liberty, property, money, etc. at stake, so I'll be just fine when the verdict comes back, whatever it is. And I have no idea what the jury is going to do. I just find the case extremely interesting and will continue to follow it.
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Perhaps you can show me where I have given one fucktard a pass?
so you believe trayvon is equally responsible for the events that lead to his death?
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Please go into detail, Tony.
lets see running away, confronting zimmerman and then assaulting him....
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lets see running away, confronting zimmerman and then assaulting him....
What would you say about Zimmerman in this regard?:
Both of these idiots were responsible for what happend that night
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What would you say about Zimmerman in this regard?:
getting out of his car and attempting to keep track of trayvon.
what would you say about trayvon and his role/responsibility in the events?
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getting out of his car and attempting to keep track of trayvon.
...and putting lives in danger by doing so.
what would you say about trayvon and his role/responsibility in the events?
Based upon the word of the person whose judgment led him to the above actions, and who will not tell the people directly and plainly what happened.
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This is what you're trying to back up, Tony. You have to choose your battles more carefully.
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This is what you're trying to back up, Tony. You have to choose your battles more carefully.
*facepalm*
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*facepalm*
I hope that's not your argument, Shockwave. Can you put aside your fear of blacks long enough to make one?
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I hope that's not your argument, Shockwave. Can you put aside your fear of blacks long enough to make one?
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I've argued this subject plenty, I'm not going to get baited into letting you go on another multi post meltdown while you pat yourself on the back, being so proud of the bullshit circular arguments you come up with, hinged on one minute fact that makes you convinced that you've "found the answer", while simply ignoring anyone that points out the obvious gaping holes in your logic.
Sorry, not gonna happen again.
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Never claimed to have 'the answer', Shockwave. Myself and Beach Bum are the only ones admitting that 'the answer' is unknown. Will you admit as much?
And if you think people should stop talking about the case, then I'd say you have a problem.
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thats up to the jury to decide either way thats not proof of anything....
should it matter to the jury that trayvon was a violent drug user?
what violent acts had trayvon been arrested for?
or are you talking about posing with guns and boxing with friends? DOes that make him violent? cause if so, actually being arrested for shoving a cop must make zimmerman jeffrey freakin dahmer lol.
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so you believe trayvon is equally responsible for the events that lead to his death?
Yeah. Nikka should have bought Fanta and a Snickers bar.
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You mean the arrest for assualting an officer that was wiped from his record? But don't let the facts get in the way or anything.
It's not my liberty, property, money, etc. at stake, so I'll be just fine when the verdict comes back, whatever it is. And I have no idea what the jury is going to do. I just find the case extremely interesting and will continue to follow it.
Oh, didn't know that wiping it off his record actually changed the fact that it occurred. How's that work again? Time travel? Parallel universes?
So your stance is that he did not assault a policeman simply because it was wiped off his record?
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I've argued this subject plenty, I'm not going to get baited into letting you go on another multi post meltdown while you pat yourself on the back, being so proud of the bullshit circular arguments you come up with, hinged on one minute fact that makes you convinced that you've "found the answer", while simply ignoring anyone that points out the obvious gaping holes in your logic.
Sorry, not gonna happen again.
yea, this about sums it up
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just reverse the roles...
Zimmerman out for his evening cardio. Trayvon doesn't like his looks, so he starts following him. ZImmerman starts running. Trayvon chases him for 2 blocks. One minute later, there's a fight... Zimmerman is winning but then Trayvon pulls a gun and blasts him. ZImmerman dead. Trayvon has the audacity to claim self-defense because he was losing a fight that happened after he chased Zimmerman for 2 blocks. ZImmerman is a pothead that acts like a douche, but he was just walking man. Wasn't bothering anyone. Just walking.
Trayvon then argues he was standing his ground. Mind you, Zimmerman was 300 feet from his home and Trayvon lives a mile away :(
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just reverse the roles...
Zimmerman out for his evening cardio. Trayvon doesn't like his looks, so he starts following him. ZImmerman starts running. Trayvon chases him for 2 blocks. One minute later, there's a fight... Zimmerman is winning but then Trayvon pulls a gun and blasts him. ZImmerman dead. Trayvon has the audacity to claim self-defense because he was losing a fight that happened after he chased Zimmerman for 2 blocks. ZImmerman is a pothead that acts like a douche, but he was just walking man. Wasn't bothering anyone. Just walking.
Trayvon then argues he was standing his ground. Mind you, Zimmerman was 300 feet from his home and Trayvon lives a mile away :(
nice spin and introduction of your own "facts"...
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nice spin and introduction of your own "facts"...
which facts did in introduce? Just put it that way. Zimmerman out getting cardio 300 feet from his house and busybody Trayvon decides to chase him down and 'question' him.
He wasn't a neighborhood watch guy in this capacity - he was packing iron and coming back from grocery store.
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No more of this bullshit, acting in disbelief that Zimmerman would have been charged in such a way. He has to answer for his behavior, even if he ends up walking. I don't give a shit what you think of Trayvon Martin - his death needs to be properly explained.
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Oh, didn't know that wiping it off his record actually changed the fact that it occurred. How's that work again? Time travel? Parallel universes?
So your stance is that he did not assault a policeman simply because it was wiped off his record?
No, I just think you are embellishing things from his past. Like this:
We are talking about a guy that has a history of beating his wife, sexually abusing his cousin, assaulting a police officer
The charge was reduced to "resisting officer without violence." So my "stance" is he did not assault a police officer, because he was not charged with nor convicted of assaulting a police officer. Those are just the facts.
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he did shove a guy who was a cop. They reduced charge because his ass plead out. It's common.
I mean, OJ didn't slash Nicole's head off, did he? I mean, he was never convicted, right?
ZImmerman is a sick dude. I'm surprised everyone defending him. It's very possible that both he and trayvon are pieces of shit. DOesn't have to just be one of them. Two pieces of shit got into a fight. one got killed,one went to jail. Both had documented anger & substance abuse problems.
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he did shove a guy who was a cop. They reduced charge because his ass plead out. It's common.
I mean, OJ didn't slash Nicole's head off, did he? I mean, he was never convicted, right?
ZImmerman is a sick dude. I'm surprised everyone defending him. It's very possible that both he and trayvon are pieces of shit. DOesn't have to just be one of them. Two pieces of shit got into a fight. one got killed,one went to jail. Both had documented anger & substance abuse problems.
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I just wish we could have a little honesty here. I think the shoot was legal technicaly and zimmerman shouldn't be charged - but i do think he should be charged for being a lying fuck and do 2 years fo robstruction and lying to police. he's making shit tougher for permit holders for 20 years, and good fcking luck getting stand-your-ground in the other 30 states after this ass-hat abused it.
He is not guilty of 1st degree murder. I've said form minute 1 that the shoot was legal.
He was playing that cutesy little game where "I'm the agressor by chasing you in the dark with a gun for 2 blocks, then suddenly when I realize your posture isn't prey and you are ready to spring on my ass, I'm deciding to freeze in my shoes and not be the aggressor".
In trayvon's mind, he saw an attack as imminent and he swung. Two completely diff realities. They are both legally covered, since there is no definition of when you are in fear. Zimm froze up once he saw the person he was following wasn't running.
AND THE SHOOT WAS LEGAL.
But I think the jury will convict him anyway. Won't be right, but it will punish the MFer who grabbed a gun and went running on the other side ofthe park after misidentifying trayvon as a burglar.
I said long ago... the shoot itself was probably legal by FL law...
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he did shove a guy who was a cop. They reduced charge because his ass plead out. It's common.
I mean, OJ didn't slash Nicole's head off, did he? I mean, he was never convicted, right?
ZImmerman is a sick dude. I'm surprised everyone defending him. It's very possible that both he and trayvon are pieces of shit. DOesn't have to just be one of them. Two pieces of shit got into a fight. one got killed,one went to jail. Both had documented anger & substance abuse problems.
From what I understand, the officer wasn't in uniform and didn't identify himself as a cop, so its a bullshit charge and you're way off base anyway.
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Serious question to most people.
Obviously I am on the fence on guilt or innocence... That said, can we agree that Zimmerman is definitely a busy body?
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Serious question to most people.
Obviously I am on the fence on guilt or innocence... That said, can we agree that Zimmerman is definitely a busy body?
Absolutely he was, can we all agree that trayvon was a little shit of a kid?
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Absolutely he was, can we all agree that trayvon was a little shit of a kid?
Sure can.
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Absolutely he was, can we all agree that trayvon was a little shit of a kid?
that deserved to die
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Serious question to most people.
Obviously I am on the fence on guilt or innocence... That said, can we agree that Zimmerman is definitely a busy body?
Yeah, dude really had no business following the kid. That said, he didn't break any laws either. IMHO, had the kid chosen to just ignore the fat mexican and continued on his merry way, he'd still be alive.
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that deserved to die
Who said that?
Nice projection of what you want to believe about ppl who don't automatically condemn a man without facts ::(
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Yeah, dude really had no business following the kid. That said, he didn't break any laws either. IMHO, had the kid chosen to just ignore the fat mexican and continued on his merry way, he'd still be alive.
Agreed on all accounts
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I don't really have a problem with Zimmerman (or anyone else) trying to protect their neighborhood. If all he did was see what he thought was a suspcious looking dude, called 911, and did what they told him to do, then I don't think he did anything wrong.
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I don't really have a problem with Zimmerman (or anyone else) trying to protect their neighborhood. If all he did was see what he thought was a suspcious looking dude, called 911, and did what they told him to do, then I don't think he did anything wrong.
and Martin would still be alive and we wouldn't be talking about this
Zimmerman should have kept his fat ass in his truck like he was told to do and I'm sure he wishes he had done just that
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and Martin would still be alive and we wouldn't be talking about this
Zimmerman should have kept his fat ass in his truck like he was told to do and I'm sure he wishes he had done just that
they didnt tell him to stay in the car, they told him after he already got out that they didnt need him to follow trayvon...to which zimmerman supposedly complied.
maybe you should get the facts straight
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they didnt tell him to stay in the car, they told him after he already got out that they didnt need him to follow trayvon...to which zimmerman supposedly complied.
maybe you should get the facts straight
Don't try and confuse people with the facts. :)
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that deserved to die
Of course not.
On no level should that be the case. As a matter of fact, Zimmerman definitely should be held accountable for his actions.
That said, murder seems too much. I truly believe he should have been charged with manslaughter. He put forth motions that could have been avoided. He instigated the situation and that should count for some punishment
Murder is just an over reach.
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agreed murder is an overreach
BUT
from teh prosecution side... they're trying to FORCE zimmerman into pleading to that manslaughter charge. It's about a given that they'd give him the 8 year bid.
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agreed murder is an overreach
BUT
from teh prosecution side... they're trying to FORCE zimmerman into pleading to that manslaughter charge. It's about a given that they'd give him the 8 year bid.
Didn't work though did it?
So now they look like idiots... That sure is helping a lot huh?
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Didn't work though did it?
So now they look like idiots... That sure is helping a lot huh?
jury may choose murder. zimm doesnt plead and he may be looking at what, 25 years in prison.
he'll look at his chances and will plead. He'll be back on the streets in under 5 years with an 8 year sentence. They'll agree on a country club so he doesn't get ass raped.
I think no matter what happened that night, the prosecution has boxed zimm into a spot where 5 years at a country club is acceptable - compared with jury deciding to issue their own brand of justice, and leaving him locked up for the next 2 or 3 decades.
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This was the right thing to do. Haven't seen any evidence Zimmerman profiled Martin or that Zimmerman was a racist. In fact, almost everything I've read and heard so far suggests the exact opposite. Forgot about the FBI investigation.
Zimmerman prosecutors won't use 'profiled' in opening statement
June 18, 2013
By Rene Stutzman, Orlando Sentinel
SANFORD — Quietly and with hardly anyone noticing, George Zimmerman's attorneys persuaded a judge to ban prosecutors from using the word "profiled" in their opening statement.
That means the theory that was the backbone of the state's case — that 17-year-old Trayvon Martin was profiled — is now something prosecutors cannot mention as they launch into their case against the former Neighborhood Watch volunteer.
It is a major pretrial victory for the 29-year-old Zimmerman, who in the days and weeks immediately after Trayvon's death was denounced as a racist, made into a social pariah and became the subject of a federal civil-rights investigation.
The decision to ban the word "profiled" or any variation of it came one week ago, on Day 1 of Zimmerman's trial, but Circuit Judge Debra S. Nelson handled the issue quickly, and there was almost no discussion of it in open court.
"I don't have any objection to not mentioning these words," said lead prosecutor Bernie de Rionda, and the judge quickly moved on to another issue, jury selection.
Jury selection resumes Tuesday on Day 7 of Zimmerman's second-degree-murder trial. So far, 32 prospective panel members have made it past the first round of jury selection. Attorneys and the judge hope to raise that number to 40 before they begin a second round.
It's a short list of words that de la Rionda must now avoid in his opening statement.
They include not only "profiled" but also five other words or phrases that defense attorney Mark O'Mara had asked the judge to ban in a motion he filed May 30.
The others are "vigilante"; "self-appointed Neighborhood Watch captain"; "wannabe cop"; "He got out of the car after the police told him not to"; and "He confronted Trayvon Martin." Nelson has not yet issued a formal ruling on the matter.
Two of those phrases appear in the probable-cause affidavit that prosecutors used to persuade a judge to jail Zimmerman on a second-degree-murder charge in April 2012.
One is the word "profiled." Trayvon was walking from a 7-Eleven to the Sanford townhouse where he was staying "when he was profiled by George Zimmerman," according to the affidavit, which was signed by two investigators in the office of Special Prosecutor Angela Corey: T.C. O'Steen and Dale Gilbreath.
The other probable-cause-affidavit phrase now banned is a reference to who confronted whom. O'Steen and Gilbreath wrote, "Zimmerman confronted Martin and a struggle ensued."
But at Zimmerman's April 20, 2012, bond hearing, Gilbreath admitted that he did not know who confronted whom the night of Feb. 26, 2012, and could not say who started the fight.
On the night of the shooting, Zimmerman, a Neighborhood Watch volunteer, had spotted Trayvon and called police, describing him as suspicious. Prosecutors say Zimmerman had gotten out of his pickup and was following the Miami Gardens teen on foot when a dispatcher told him that was not necessary.
A short time after that phone call ended, the two came face-to-face, witnesses reported seeing and hearing a fight, and Zimmerman shot Trayvon once in the chest.
He told police he acted in self-defense.
The U.S. Department of Justice launched an investigation shortly after the shooting to determine whether Zimmerman violated Trayvon's civil rights. It has not reported its findings, but paperwork forwarded to Corey's office and released to the public revealed that FBI agents had interviewed dozens of Zimmerman's friends and associates and none said he used racial slurs or exhibited racist behavior.
8 questioned, 4 rejected Monday
Attorneys dedicated another six hours Monday to picking a jury.
They questioned eight prospective jurors and rejected four. Those sent home include a man who said his religious beliefs prohibited him from judging anyone; a man with a ZZ Top-style beard who had donated $20 to Zimmerman's legal-defense fund; a grandmother who said she was concerned about protests and possible violence should Zimmerman be acquitted; and a young single mother who said her employer does not pay for jury duty and she could not afford to be away for two to four weeks.
Those ordered by the judge to return Wednesday include an auto mechanic who moved here two or three years ago from Kuwait; a white middle-aged man who described protests led by national civil-rights activists in Sanford as "a little circus come to town"; a woman about to move to Bithlo; and a white man who quoted his wife as saying, "I hope you don't get on the jury."
Late Monday, the judge changed gears and listened to a fourth defense audio expert testify that there was too little clear audio of screams in the background of a 911 call the night of the shooting to identify who was calling for help.
Two state experts say the cries did not match Zimmerman. Defense attorneys are asking the judge to exclude that testimony.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-geo-zimmerman-trial-profile-20130617,0,1761292.story
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i dont think race was that big of a deal either.
zimmerman's anger was colorblind. He pushed a white cop, punched a white woman, fingerfcked a hispanic minor female, and shot a black youth.
Sounds like he's an equal opportunity human rights abuser.
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40 potential jurors move on to second round of questioning in George Zimmerman trial
After a week and a half of grilling potential jurors individually, attorneys have chosen 40 jury candidates to return for the second round of questioning in the George Zimmerman trial.
The potential jurors will now be questioned as a group on an array of different topics as attorneys seek to whittle down the group of 40 to just six jurors and four alternates who will decide the fate of the Florida neighborhood watch captain charged with second-degree murder in the fatal shooting of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.
Twenty-seven of the 40 potential jurors are white, seven are black, three are mixed race and three are Hispanic. The pool also is overwhelmingly female and skews middle-aged.
The racial and ethnic makeup of potential jurors is relevant, prosecutors say. They have argued that Zimmerman racially profiled Trayvon Martin when he followed the black teen last year as Martin was walking back from a convenience store to the home of his father's fiancee.
Zimmerman, who identifies himself as Hispanic, fatally shot Martin a short time later following a confrontation that was partially captured on a 911 call.
The case has gained national attention, and, during the first round of jury selection, potential jurors were questioned at length about their knowledge of the case.
"I haven't lived under a rock for the past year," said Juror B-51. "It's pretty hard for people not to have gotten some information."
Juror B-51, a white female retiree, was quizzed on the second day of jury selection. She said her first impression of the case was "sad" for both sides. When asked if she thought Zimmerman had done anything wrong by getting out of his truck, she said, "Certainly, he didn't wait. Maybe the police didn't come quick enough. I don't know."
The 44-day delay in Zimmerman’s arrest prompted protests nationwide. One juror, Juror B-35, described the protests as “saber-rattling.”
"I think they politicized it and made it a racial issue, and I didn't like that," said Juror B-35. "I wasn't agreeing with the racial connotation."
Juror B-35, a middle-aged black man who owns vending machines, also wondered why there weren't protests over the fatal shootings of other African-American men in Sanford, the Orlando suburb where Martin was killed in February 2012. He also said he believed Zimmerman deserved his day in court.
Juror H-7, who was described as a white male in his late 50s or early 60s, said he thought the case was a "nuisance" that was "disrupting typical events in the area."
"I still don't understand why it's a high-profile case," he said while he was being quizzed on Monday.
Juror B-7, a middle-aged white man, said he didn't think Florida's stand-your-ground law was necessary in the state given other self-defense laws that were in place prior to its passage. The law allows a person to invoke self-defense if they feel a fatal shooting is necessary to prevent death or great bodily harm.
Zimmerman is claiming self-defense. He has pleaded not guilty to second-degree murder.
Juror B-7 also said he thought news media coverage of the case had been "speculative" and devoid of hard facts.
Media coverage of the case took center stage during jury selection as attorneys grilled potential jurors about which news outlets they watched and if they thought coverage of the fatal shooting had been biased.
Potential juror E-13, a white female in her 20s, said, "I never really watch the news," while potential juror E-28, a married white female in her late 50s or early 60s, said she listens to a lot of radio on her 15-minute commute to her job as a nurse.
“I know that the media is not always accurate,” said one potential juror known as Juror H-69, a pregnant woman in her late 20s. “My sense is that they are trying to get the news out … it would be impossible for them to have all the information that happened.”
Judge Debra Nelson has ruled that jurors will be sequestered during the trial, which is expected to last two to four weeks.
Juror H-18, described as an Hispanic male in his 30s who co-owns a business, said being on the jury could be a hardship for his co-owner.
Juror K-80, a white female and married mother said her “biggest fear is sequestering.”
Juror P-67, a Hispanic male, born in Mexico but naturalized in the U.S., said that he wanted to be a juror to pay back his country and because it is part of his citizenship.
Overall, the potential jurors had mixed feelings about the case, but many agreed it will be difficult to make a decision in the case due to its tragic nature.
“This is a tragic case,” said Juror H-29, a white male in his late 50s.
Juror I-24, a white female, shared the same sentiment.
“A young man has lost his life, another man is fighting for his,” said Juror I-24. “No one is a winner in this case.”
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/06/19/potential-jurors-in-george-zimmerman-trial-offer-their-two-cents-on-case/
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Juror B-51, a white female retiree, was quizzed on the second day of jury selection. She said her first impression of the case was "sad" for both sides. When asked if she thought Zimmerman had done anything wrong by getting out of his truck, she said, "Certainly, he didn't wait. Maybe the police didn't come quick enough. I don't know."
"Quick enough" for what, I wonder.
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This was the right thing to do. Haven't seen any evidence Zimmerman profiled Martin or that Zimmerman was a racist. In fact, almost everything I've read and heard so far suggests the exact opposite. Forgot about the FBI investigation.
Zimmerman prosecutors won't use 'profiled' in opening statement
June 18, 2013
By Rene Stutzman, Orlando Sentinel
SANFORD — Quietly and with hardly anyone noticing, George Zimmerman's attorneys persuaded a judge to ban prosecutors from using the word "profiled" in their opening statement.
That means the theory that was the backbone of the state's case — that 17-year-old Trayvon Martin was profiled — is now something prosecutors cannot mention as they launch into their case against the former Neighborhood Watch volunteer.
It is a major pretrial victory for the 29-year-old Zimmerman, who in the days and weeks immediately after Trayvon's death was denounced as a racist, made into a social pariah and became the subject of a federal civil-rights investigation.
The decision to ban the word "profiled" or any variation of it came one week ago, on Day 1 of Zimmerman's trial, but Circuit Judge Debra S. Nelson handled the issue quickly, and there was almost no discussion of it in open court.
"I don't have any objection to not mentioning these words," said lead prosecutor Bernie de Rionda, and the judge quickly moved on to another issue, jury selection.
Jury selection resumes Tuesday on Day 7 of Zimmerman's second-degree-murder trial. So far, 32 prospective panel members have made it past the first round of jury selection. Attorneys and the judge hope to raise that number to 40 before they begin a second round.
It's a short list of words that de la Rionda must now avoid in his opening statement.
They include not only "profiled" but also five other words or phrases that defense attorney Mark O'Mara had asked the judge to ban in a motion he filed May 30.
The others are "vigilante"; "self-appointed Neighborhood Watch captain"; "wannabe cop"; "He got out of the car after the police told him not to"; and "He confronted Trayvon Martin." Nelson has not yet issued a formal ruling on the matter.
Two of those phrases appear in the probable-cause affidavit that prosecutors used to persuade a judge to jail Zimmerman on a second-degree-murder charge in April 2012.
One is the word "profiled." Trayvon was walking from a 7-Eleven to the Sanford townhouse where he was staying "when he was profiled by George Zimmerman," according to the affidavit, which was signed by two investigators in the office of Special Prosecutor Angela Corey: T.C. O'Steen and Dale Gilbreath.
The other probable-cause-affidavit phrase now banned is a reference to who confronted whom. O'Steen and Gilbreath wrote, "Zimmerman confronted Martin and a struggle ensued."
But at Zimmerman's April 20, 2012, bond hearing, Gilbreath admitted that he did not know who confronted whom the night of Feb. 26, 2012, and could not say who started the fight.
On the night of the shooting, Zimmerman, a Neighborhood Watch volunteer, had spotted Trayvon and called police, describing him as suspicious. Prosecutors say Zimmerman had gotten out of his pickup and was following the Miami Gardens teen on foot when a dispatcher told him that was not necessary.
A short time after that phone call ended, the two came face-to-face, witnesses reported seeing and hearing a fight, and Zimmerman shot Trayvon once in the chest.
He told police he acted in self-defense.
The U.S. Department of Justice launched an investigation shortly after the shooting to determine whether Zimmerman violated Trayvon's civil rights. It has not reported its findings, but paperwork forwarded to Corey's office and released to the public revealed that FBI agents had interviewed dozens of Zimmerman's friends and associates and none said he used racial slurs or exhibited racist behavior.
8 questioned, 4 rejected Monday
Attorneys dedicated another six hours Monday to picking a jury.
They questioned eight prospective jurors and rejected four. Those sent home include a man who said his religious beliefs prohibited him from judging anyone; a man with a ZZ Top-style beard who had donated $20 to Zimmerman's legal-defense fund; a grandmother who said she was concerned about protests and possible violence should Zimmerman be acquitted; and a young single mother who said her employer does not pay for jury duty and she could not afford to be away for two to four weeks.
Those ordered by the judge to return Wednesday include an auto mechanic who moved here two or three years ago from Kuwait; a white middle-aged man who described protests led by national civil-rights activists in Sanford as "a little circus come to town"; a woman about to move to Bithlo; and a white man who quoted his wife as saying, "I hope you don't get on the jury."
Late Monday, the judge changed gears and listened to a fourth defense audio expert testify that there was too little clear audio of screams in the background of a 911 call the night of the shooting to identify who was calling for help.
Two state experts say the cries did not match Zimmerman. Defense attorneys are asking the judge to exclude that testimony.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-geo-zimmerman-trial-profile-20130617,0,1761292.story
Makes no difference....Zimmerman is as good as convicted....or he's good as dead. He's either going to rot in jail or someone is going to take him out.
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Makes no difference....Zimmerman is as good as convicted....or he's good as dead. He's either going to rot in jail or someone is going to take him out.
Didn't you guarantee us that he was going to plead out? In fact. If I remember right, you were adamant he'd never reach a courtroom. Your think after your airsoft idiocy that good learn to keep your mouth shut when you have no fucking idea what you're talking about.
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Didn't you guarantee us that he was going to plead out? In fact. If I remember right, you were adamant he'd never reach a courtroom. Your think after your airsoft idiocy that good learn to keep your mouth shut when you have no fucking idea what you're talking about.
I did think he would....he's fucking nuts not to plead out a deal. There's no way he's going to walk scott free unless the jury were all KKK members.
If it was me....apologize and say I royally fucked up, get involuntary manslaughter...get about 7 years and be out in about 4 in a minimum security prison. Would lift weights and have a master's degree by the time I got out. Best of all, no one would be pissed off to beat my ass
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I still think Zimmerman will plead on the evening before trial begins.
They just want to get the best possible negotiation position based upon the jury. I'll be surprised if this trial ever happens. He'll jump at an offer to serve 8 years.
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I did think he would....he's fucking nuts not to plead out a deal. There's no way he's going to walk scott free unless the jury were all KKK members.
If it was me....apologize and say I royally fucked up, get involuntary manslaughter...get about 7 years and be out in about 4 in a minimum security prison. Would lift weights and have a master's degree by the time I got out. Best of all, no one would be pissed off to beat my ass
Why would he plead out when there's no way he can get a murder sentence? Not with the evidence that we know of... It seems that if he pleads out he's being silly. There's just no point in him doing so.
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jury may choose murder. zimm doesnt plead and he may be looking at what, 25 years in prison.
he'll look at his chances and will plead. He'll be back on the streets in under 5 years with an 8 year sentence. They'll agree on a country club so he doesn't get ass raped.
I think no matter what happened that night, the prosecution has boxed zimm into a spot where 5 years at a country club is acceptable - compared with jury deciding to issue their own brand of justice, and leaving him locked up for the next 2 or 3 decades.
I think they are going to hit him with a lesser charge that results in a 6 year sentence which will really be only 3.5 - 4 years once time is shaved off. Then the Martin family will turn around and win a civil suit against him. Sort of an OJ type thing...
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Why would he plead out when there's no way he can get a murder sentence? Not with the evidence that we know of... It seems that if he pleads out he's being silly. There's just no point in him doing so.
If that dude gets on the stand to testify, then he is cooked. His lawyers better be smart enough to have him taking the 5th and forcing the prosecution to prove he is guilty of their charges rather than the defense trying to spent their time justifying it or trying to prove he is innocent.
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If that dude gets on the stand to testify, then he is cooked. His lawyers better be smart enough to have him taking the 5th and forcing the prosecution to prove he is guilty of their charges rather than the defense trying to spent their time justifying it or trying to prove he is innocent.
His 911 call will be pretty damning against him. I mean, very often, they have "he said, he dead" and the shooter goes to prison despite having a terrific story.
in this case, we know the shooter was chasing, we know the shooter said the kid was running away. We hear shooter calling him profanity. We hear shooter admit he thinks kid is on drugs with something in waistband.
And we will NOT hear the shooter get on the stand - he'll have all this damning evidence of him being the aggressor in situation - but won't be willing to get on stand and explain himself.
He could walk had he never made that 911 call, and just claimed Trayvon jumped him. Could, not definite. IN this case, however, we have his OWN WORDS saying Trayvon was fleeing him, and his own words saying he's in pursuit - PLUS he won't take the stand, so that's all they'll have to judge him.
I think he will plead long before it gets to that. Some last-minute deal that gives him 7 years or something, at a protective unit... he'll be outta jail before he's 33. SURE beats chance at 25 years in prison. He'll take the bid. His dad's a judge. This jury shit is all theater.
Anyone agree with me that he'll plead it?]
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His 911 call will be pretty damning against him. I mean, very often, they have "he said, he dead" and the shooter goes to prison despite having a terrific story.
in this case, we know the shooter was chasing, we know the shooter said the kid was running away. We hear shooter calling him profanity. We hear shooter admit he thinks kid is on drugs with something in waistband.
And we will NOT hear the shooter get on the stand - he'll have all this damning evidence of him being the aggressor in situation - but won't be willing to get on stand and explain himself.
He could walk had he never made that 911 call, and just claimed Trayvon jumped him. Could, not definite. IN this case, however, we have his OWN WORDS saying Trayvon was fleeing him, and his own words saying he's in pursuit - PLUS he won't take the stand, so that's all they'll have to judge him.
I think he will plead long before it gets to that. Some last-minute deal that gives him 7 years or something, at a protective unit... he'll be outta jail before he's 33. SURE beats chance at 25 years in prison. He'll take the bid. His dad's a judge. This jury shit is all theater.
Anyone agree with me that he'll plead it?]
No... because there is no upside to it for him.
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I still think Zimmerman will plead on the evening before trial begins.
They just want to get the best possible negotiation position based upon the jury. I'll be surprised if this trial ever happens. He'll jump at an offer to serve 8 years.
Oh, he will? How is he doing? Did he full you in on their defensive strategy? Did he let you know how the rest of his family is doing?
Oh wait, you mean you don't know him and you've never spoken to him, or anyone of his defensive team? Hmmm..... That's weird, because I could have sworn you just told us exactly what he's going to do.....
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No... because there is no upside to it for him.
No upside? He's looking at 25 years for murder, isn't he?
Oh, he will? How is he doing? Did he full you in on their defensive strategy? Did he let you know how the rest of his family is doing?
Oh wait, you mean you don't know him and you've never spoken to him, or anyone of his defensive team? Hmmm..... That's weird, because I could have sworn you just told us exactly what he's going to do.....
WTF? We're on a gossip board, discussing current events. In this thread, we will talk about the case and trial, if it happens. I'm predicting the trial won't happen, others are predicting otherwise.
You're yelling at me because I am making a guess on this trial because I don't know him personally? I'm pretty sure all of us engage in discussion on politics, current events, sports, etc, without actually KNOWING the people involved.
I am predicting, on a message board. No, I dont know him. But 333386 doens't know obama, and he predicts obama will be broke and divorced in 2 years out of office. SHould he not make predictions?
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No upside? He's looking at 25 years for murder, isn't he?
WTF? We're on a gossip board, discussing current events. In this thread, we will talk about the case and trial, if it happens. I'm predicting the trial won't happen, others are predicting otherwise.
You're yelling at me because I am making a guess on this trial because I don't know him personally? I'm pretty sure all of us engage in discussion on politics, current events, sports, etc, without actually KNOWING the people involved.
I am predicting, on a message board. No, I dont know him. But 333386 doens't know obama, and he predicts obama will be broke and divorced in 2 years out of office. SHould he not make predictions?
Yeah, with a family that is inside of the legal system? You really think he doesn't know what's going on? Or that he hasn't had these discussions with his legal team? He is going to walk from a murder charge and people seem to not get this for some reason.
I'm not saying he wasn't an idiot... He was, but he will beat a murder rap... easily.
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No upside? He's looking at 25 years for murder, isn't he?
WTF? We're on a gossip board, discussing current events. In this thread, we will talk about the case and trial, if it happens. I'm predicting the trial won't happen, others are predicting otherwise.
You're yelling at me because I am making a guess on this trial because I don't know him personally? I'm pretty sure all of us engage in discussion on politics, current events, sports, etc, without actually KNOWING the people involved.
I am predicting, on a message board. No, I dont know him. But 333386 doens't know obama, and he predicts obama will be broke and divorced in 2 years out of office. SHould he not make predictions?
Because they actually speak as if its a possibility, where you always phrase everything like its an absolute, that you somehow kniw beyond the shadow of a doubt and you pass your opinions of as absolute fact all the time, in addition to completely making up facts or twisting them to support your opinion.
Hence :
"He'll jump at an offer to serve 8 years." You, I, no one knows if he'd jump at that or not, especially since he hasn't yet. You'd think with the amount of things that you claimed would happen (but never did, because you had no idea Wtf you were talking about) you would knock that shit off.
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Makes no difference....Zimmerman is as good as convicted....or he's good as dead. He's either going to rot in jail or someone is going to take him out.
Yes, it makes a difference. Did you read the indictment? They accused Zimmerman of profiling Martin.
If you are trying to say with certainty you know what the jury will do, you are a fool.
But I do agree he might face a modern-day lynch mob if he is acquitted. Just look at what Spike Lee did. Comments by Chris Rock, etc.
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I didn't know Zimmerman passed a polygraph.
George Zimmerman Passed Police Lie Detector Test Day After Trayvon Martin Killing
June 26, 2012
A day after killing Trayvon Martin, George Zimmerman passed a police lie detector test when asked if he confronted the teenager and whether he feared for his life “when you shot the guy,” according to documents released today by Florida prosecutors.
According to a “confidential report” prepared by the Sanford Police Department, Zimmerman, 28, willingly submitted to a computer voice stress analyzer (CVSA) “truth verification” on February 27. Investigators concluded that he “has told substantially the complete truth in regards to this examination.”
Zimmerman, the report noted, “was classified as No Deception Indicated (NDI).”
Along with questions about whether his first name was George and if it was Monday, Zimmerman was asked, “Did you confront the guy you shot?’ He answered, “No.” He was also asked, “Were you in fear for your life, when you shot the guy.” Zimmerman replied, “Yes.”
Before the CVSA test, Zimmerman--who was apparently not accompanied by legal counsel--signed a Sanford Police Department release stating that he was undergoing the examination “voluntarily, without duress, coercion, threat or promise.”
The lie detector test was requested by Chris Serino, a homicide investigator with the Sanford Police Department.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/george-zimmerman-lie-detector-421395
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Because they actually speak as if its a possibility, where you always phrase everything like its an absolute,
Hey man, sorry if my wording is like that, i'm passionate about that shit. Dude tried to wreck "stand your ground" for the rest of america. He ran with a gun into the dark to face a person he claimed was on drugs and had his hand on something in a wasitband... I mean, did he want a gun battle with a cracked-out dude sporting a pistol? Sure sounds like it (TO ME).
I think he will plead long before it gets to that.
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Six women picked as jurors in George Zimmerman trial
Published June 20, 2013
Six women were chosen Thursday to decide the fate of George Zimmerman, the Florida neighborhood watch captain accused of murder in the shooting death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.
The six jurors were seated after a nearly two-week long jury selection process, in which potential jurors were grilled about their prior knowledge of the case and their personal beliefs on guns, law enforcement and media coverage of the fatal shooting.
The court also chose four alternates.
The six final jurors are all women – five are white and one is Hispanic.
The racial and ethnic makeup of potential jurors is relevant, prosecutors say. They have have argued that Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch volunteer for his gated community in Sanford, Fla., profiled Trayvon Martin when he followed the black teen last year as Martin was walking back from a convenience store to the house of his father's fiancee.
Attorneys whittled the pool of hundreds of potential jurors down to 40 for the second round of questioning, and from there six jurors and four alternates were chosen. The potential jurors were given numbers to protect their identities during the selection process.
Juror B-29, Juror B-76, Juror B-37, Juror B-51, Juror E-6 and Juror E-40 were the final six jurors selected.
The case has gained national attention, and, during the first round of jury selection, potential jurors were questioned at length about their knowledge of the case.
"I haven't lived under a rock for the past year," said Juror B-51. "It's pretty hard for people not to have gotten some information."
Juror B-51, a white female retiree, was quizzed on the second day of jury selection. She said her first impression of the case was "sad" for both sides. When asked if she thought Zimmerman had done anything wrong by getting out of his truck, she said, "Certainly, he didn't wait. Maybe the police didn't come quick enough. I don't know."
Zimmerman is charged with second-degree murder. He is pleading not guilty, claiming self-defense.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/06/20/six-women-picked-as-jurors-in-george-zimmerman-trial/
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Meet the jurors in the George Zimmerman trial
Published June 20, 2013
FoxNews.com
Six women were chosen to serve on the jury in the trial of George Zimmerman, the Florida neighborhood watch captain accused of murder in the fatal shooting of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.
The six jurors and four alternates went through a nearly two-week long process of jury selection, where they answered questions about their knowledge of the case and opinions on subjects including guns, law enforcement and media bias.
Below are general descriptions of the jurors, identified by numbers assigned to them by the court to protect their identities:
6 JURORS:
B-29: Described as a Hispanic woman, who works as a nurse treating patients with Alzheimer's. She has seven children and lived in Chicago at the time of the February 2012 shooting.
B-76: Described as a white middle-aged woman, who said Zimmerman had an "altercation with the young man. There was a struggle, and the gun went off."
B-37: Described as a middle-aged white woman, who works for a chiropractor and has many pets. She described protests in Sanford sparked after the delay in Zimmerman's arrest as "rioting."
B-51: Described as a retired white woman from Oviedo, Fla., who has a dog and 20-year-old cat. She knew a good deal about the case but said, "I'm not rigid in my thinking."
E-6: Described as a young white woman and mother, who used to work in financial services. She used this case as an example to her adolescent children, warning them to not go out at night.
E-40: Described as a white woman in her 60s, who lived in Iowa at the time of the shooting. She heard national news reports and recalls the shooting was in a gated community and a teenager was killed.
4 ALTERNATES:
E-40: Described as a white man in his 50s. He cautioned his 16-year-old stepson about wearing hoodie, which Trayvon Martin was wearing at the time of the shooting.
B-72: Described as a Hispanic man in his 20s, who works as maintenance technician at a school. He is a self-described power lifter and arm wrestler.
E-13: Described as a white woman in her 20s. She has brother who is black. She says she "never" watches the news, but when she first heard of shooting thought it was a "racial thing."
E-28: Described as a white middle-aged woman, who works as a nurse and says she listens to a lot of radio on her 15-minute commute. She said she knew little about the case and has no opinion about Zimmerman's guilt.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/06/20/meet-jurors-in-george-zimmerman-trial/#ixzz2Wn03CMFK
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Hey man, sorry if my wording is like that, i'm passionate about that shit. Dude tried to wreck "stand your ground" for the rest of america. He ran with a gun into the dark to face a person he claimed was on drugs and had his hand on something in a wasitband... I mean, did he want a gun battle with a cracked-out dude sporting a pistol? Sure sounds like it (TO ME).
Please, you don't give a flying fuck about stand your ground. You don't like zimmerman because you see him as everything you hate in a firearm owner (which, ironically, seems to share a lot of traits with YOU), so you profiled him, spun the facts to fit your narrative that he was a fat wannabe vigilante out looking for an excuse to kill someone, and *boom*, here you are years later still spinning the story to justify your blind hate of a man you don't even know or have ever met. Don't get it twisted, everything you're arguing is about your bias, not zimmermans.
It's just like they say, usually the people we hate the most are those that we believe share the traits we hate most about ourselves.
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Hey man, sorry if my wording is like that, i'm passionate about that shit. Dude tried to wreck "stand your ground" for the rest of america. He ran with a gun into the dark to face a person he claimed was on drugs and had his hand on something in a wasitband... I mean, did he want a gun battle with a cracked-out dude sporting a pistol? Sure sounds like it (TO ME).
Bullshit. You've yet to point to a single law that Florida has changed as a result of this.
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Bullshit. You've yet to point to a single law that Florida has changed as a result of this.
not yet.
if bloomberg has his way, a lot of states will move against this law. he's just getting started.
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Zimmerman jury is homogeneous -- and dangerous
By Tamara Holder /
Published June 21, 2013 /
FoxNews.com
The selected jury members of the George Zimmerman trial could hardly be more homogeneous -- and potentially disastrous.
Zimmerman is facing second-degree murder charges for the death of Trayvon Martin, a 17-year-old African-American. Primarily because Zimmerman is not African-American, and was not immediately charged with any crime, the case has sparked a racially charged, well-publicized debate.
The Constitution requires, via the Sixth Amendment, that “the accused shall enjoy a right to a speedy and public trial by an impartial jury” where the crime was committed. There is no constitutional requirement that the jury shall be made up of the defendant’s “peers.”
Jury selection was expected to take 2-3 weeks. It began with an initial pool of 211 people that filled out questionnaires. By the end of Day 7, only 58 of the 211 were questioned by attorneys about their knowledge of the case; additionally, the attorneys selected 40 of 58 to advance to the next round of more in-depth questioning. Of the final 40, with regard to gender: 24 were women, and 16 were men. With regard to race: 27 were white, 7 were black, 3 were of mixed race, and 3 were Hispanic.
In just two days, Days 8 and 9, both sides questioned all 40 potential jurors.
By the end of Day 9, 30 of the people were dismissed and the remaining 10 were selected as the primary and alternate members. Both sides moved way too quickly.
Both sides lost focus. As a result, the composition of the selected jury is guaranteed to reignite racial debates before the trial even begins.
All of the six members are women. Five are white, one is Hispanic. The four alternates include two women and two men, all of whom are white, but for one male Hispanic.
Seminole County, the area from which the jury pool was selected, is more than 81 percent white, between 9-11 percent African-American, and consists of more than 50 percent women, according to the Seminole County Government and U.S. Census. Sanford, the city where the incident occurred, is approximately 29 percent African-American.
Zimmerman’s jury is 100 percent women and 0 percent African-American.
This jury needed at least one African-American jury member, and one male. The selected panel can certainly be “impartial,” but because previous racially charged trials focused on the jury, the Zimmerman trial attorneys should have been aware of how the make-up could impact responses outside of the courtroom and, potentially, to the safety of the jurors.
America has not seen a racially charged case like this since the O.J. Simpson trial. In that case, there were 12 jurors: Nine were African-American, two were white, and one was Hispanic. Ten of the 12 jurors were female.
The “not guilty” Simpson verdict sparked great divisiveness across the country. Some alleged that Simpson was only found not guilty because the predominantly black jury did not want to convict a fellow member of the African-American community.
The George Zimmerman prosecution and defense teams should have considered the potential for such a response in this case, because race was at issue from the outset.
This case should not be about race, but the attorneys’ failure to pick a more diverse group of six people is certain to reignite the issue, especially if the 100 percent all-female/non-African-American jury finds Mr. Zimmerman not guilty.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/06/21/zimmerman-jury-homogenous-dangerous/#ixzz2Wsn3ig8j
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yeah, I thought that jury didn't benefit him much with that makeup.
However, his legal team surely knows what they're doing, and they helped build it.
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http://news.yahoo.com/judge-no-audio-testimony-zimmerman-trial-140933201.html
SANFORD, Fla. (AP) — The judge in the murder trial of George Zimmerman said Saturday that prosecution audio experts who point to Trayvon Martin as screaming on a 911 call moments before he was killed won't be allowed to testify at trial.
Judge Debra Nelson reached her decision after hearing arguments that stretched over several days this month on whether to allow testimony from two prosecution experts. One expert ruled out Zimmerman as the screamer and another said it was Martin. Defense experts argued there was not enough audio to determine who the screams are coming from. Zimmerman's attorneys also argued that the state experts' analysis is flawed.
Nelson ruled that the methods used by the experts aren't reliable. But her ruling doesn't prevent the 911 calls from being played at trial.
I dont think this changes much or who it benefits more but I agree that those experts would be speculative at best.
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http://news.yahoo.com/judge-no-audio-testimony-zimmerman-trial-140933201.html
SANFORD, Fla. (AP) — The judge in the murder trial of George Zimmerman said Saturday that prosecution audio experts who point to Trayvon Martin as screaming on a 911 call moments before he was killed won't be allowed to testify at trial.
Judge Debra Nelson reached her decision after hearing arguments that stretched over several days this month on whether to allow testimony from two prosecution experts. One expert ruled out Zimmerman as the screamer and another said it was Martin. Defense experts argued there was not enough audio to determine who the screams are coming from. Zimmerman's attorneys also argued that the state experts' analysis is flawed.
Nelson ruled that the methods used by the experts aren't reliable. But her ruling doesn't prevent the 911 calls from being played at trial.
I dont think this changes much or who it benefits more but I agree that those experts would be speculative at best.
Good decision.
Listened to much of the opening statements. Prosecution gets an A for delivery and a D for substance. Defense gets a C- for delivery and a B for substance. Didn’t hear anything new. Didn’t hear how they intend to prove murder or disprove self-defense.
Most important thing I heard came from Zimmerman’s lawyer, who said the person calling for help on the 911 call was the person who was fighting for their life. I agree. (At least they were fighting to prevent serious bodily injury.)
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Good decision.
Listened to much of the opening statements. Prosecution gets an A for delivery and a D for substance. Defense gets a C- for delivery and a B for substance. Didn’t hear anything new. Didn’t hear how they intend to prove murder or disprove self-defense.
Most important thing I heard came from Zimmerman’s lawyer, who said the person calling for help on the 911 call was the person who was fighting for their life. I agree. (At least they were fighting to prevent serious bodily injury.)
They both most likely feared for their lives, due to the gun, so I'm still not sure what you mean by this.
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They sure delivered some funny words on TV this morning.
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100% Female and 0% Black seems a bit off, no doubt about it.
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Damn, Shockwave. Is that M.E. schooling taking its toll, or what?
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They both most likely feared for their lives, due to the gun, so I'm still not sure what you mean by this.
Zero evidence Martin feared for his life. He was too busy beating the crap out of Zimmerman.
Plenty of evidence Zimmerman feared for his life or safety, including repeatedly yelling for help.
The prosecution has to prove that Zimmerman didn't act in self-defense. Not sure how else to say that.
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100% Female and 0% Black seems a bit off, no doubt about it.
Sounds fine to me. Who cares about the racial makeup of the jury, except for race hustlers and the media? (Same thing.) Could care less if it's all female, or all male, or all gay, etc. The facts are the facts.
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Sounds fine to me. Who cares about the racial makeup of the jury, except for race hustlers and the media? (Same thing.) Could care less if it's all female, or all male, or all gay, etc. The facts are the facts.
So you don't agree with the article that you posted?
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Zero evidence Martin feared for his life. He was too busy beating the crap out of Zimmerman.
The gun provides very convincing evidence that Martin would have reason to fear for his life. Would you disagree?
Plenty of evidence Zimmerman feared for his life or safety, including repeatedly yelling for help.
The prosecution has to prove that Zimmerman didn't act in self-defense. Not sure how else to say that.
Doesn't make sense, as it was a fight over a gun. You know that.
The prosecution needs to show that Zimmerman created a dangerous situation, while revealing a failure to show moral regard for life during the creation of the situation; and they need to convince the jury that Martin died while rightfully trying to save himself from serious bodily injury or death.
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So you don't agree with the article that you posted?
Which article? I've posted a number of them.
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The gun provides very convincing evidence that Martin would have reason to fear for his life. Would you disagree?
Doesn't make sense, as it was a fight over a gun. You know that.
The prosecution needs to show that Zimmerman created a dangerous situation, while revealing a failure to show moral regard for life during the creation of the situation; and they need to convince the jury that Martin died while rightfully trying to save himself from serious bodily injury or death.
I disagree. As I've said, and won't repeat again, there is zero evidence that Martin was afraid of anything.
The evidence shows Zimmerman was trying not to get the crap beat out of him. And failing.
The prosecution has to prove second degree murder. They also have to prove Zimmerman did not act in self defense. But I'm done repeating myself. :)
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Which article? I've posted a number of them.
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The article that refers to the very same subject in question, Beach Bum.
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The article that refers to the very same subject in question, Beach Bum.
If you're talking about the article by Tamara Holder, no I don't agree with her opinion that they need a more racially and gender diverse jury to satisfy people in the community who will complain about the verdict.
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Yes, Beach Bum, guns have been known to cause extreme fear. That is fact.
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Yes, Beach Bum, guns have been known to cause extreme fear. That is fact.
And how in the hell would he have been aware in advance that Zimmerman was carrying a firearm?
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Prosecution was completely inept today. telling knock knock jokes. acting confused, doing that "slow mo repeating the question back to the judge" thing. Objecting to the older 911 calls AFTER they've been played for jury, because they didn't know what was on them - and objecting due to relevance! They HAD a chance to reject and approved it.
Then he wanted the jury to disregard it, AFTER HE OK'D IT!!!!
prosecutors did a decent job - nothing spectacular but solid... that lead defense lawyer just looked baffled - he objected to one thing then had ZERO case to back why he was objecting - he had a year to prepare for this shit... come on...
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And how in the hell would he have been aware in advance that Zimmerman was carrying a firearm?
In advance of what, exactly, Shockwave?
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Day 2 is showing the defense lawyer arguing with himself once again.
He okay'd the intro of evidence yesterday, of th eold 911 calls. He said no objection when asked.
THEN, after the jury heard zimmerman saying some things which showed he had a history of distaste with a certain appearance of individual (well, pretty much profiling) -
THEN the defense attorney suddenly wanted to argue the jury shouldn't hear it. But they okay'd it.
Today it's just been 45 minutes so far of the defense lawyer arguing with judge about yesterday's mistake.
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#2 prosecutor dick mantei is now disassembling the defense ramblings of earlier.
will be considered a qualty getbig level owning IF the defense spends an hour ranting about the 911 tapes, then the prosecution points out the tapes had nothing to do with the things defense was saying.
I wonder which way the judge will rule.
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In advance of what, exactly, Shockwave?
In advance of Zimmerman pulling out the fucking gun and shooting the kid. How in the he do you suppose he knew about the gun before zimmerman pulled it out and dropped him?
Answer - you have no idea, there is no evidence showing that Martin knew of the firearm prior to taking a round to the chest. (and if he did know , that makes him twice as stupid).
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In advance of Zimmerman pulling out the fucking gun and shooting the kid. How in the he do you suppose he knew about the gun before zimmerman pulled it out and dropped him?
Answer - you have no idea, there is no evidence showing that Martin knew of the firearm prior to taking a round to the chest. (and if he did know , that makes him twice as stupid).
Yes, Shockwave, Martin was aware of the gun before Zimmerman shot him. Haven't you been following the case?
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So far the defense seems to be doing of the prosecution's work for them.
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So far the defense seems to be doing of the prosecution's work for them.
well, they're desperate. zimmerman said a lot of things which just aren't true.
"He punched he in the nose then knocked me down, then held his hand over my mouth and nose" -
See the lack of DNA or blood or skin on trayvon's hands, arm, sleeve, etc kinda make that impossible.
A lot of little lies like these really crap on his credibility. NOt much they can do but try to make things as blurry as possible and wear out the jurors so they're just ready to go home.
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Yes, Shockwave, Martin was aware of the gun before Zimmerman shot him. Haven't you been following the case?
really? Is like to see your proof that Martin knew Zimmerman had a sidearm prior to the fisticuffs.
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According to the defense, Martin was armed as well.
With the sidewalk. ::)
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really? Is like to see your proof that Martin knew Zimmerman had a sidearm prior to the fisticuffs.
You're getting shifty, Shockwave:
Answer - there is no evidence showing that Martin knew of the firearm prior to taking a round to the chest.
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You're getting shifty, Shockwave:
Not at all. If the fight was already underway its totally irrelevant if he saw the firearm, which I instantly figured out was your ridiculous and completely illogical point.
If Martin had seen the firearm prior to getting into the fight, you could argue he feared for his life. After he had engaged the guy? Totally irrelevant.
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To the guys that really want to believe Zimmerman, let me ask:
How do you process the fact that he is known liar, and furthermore that he would have such tremendous incentive to lie about this encounter?
Just a little aside, that's made me wonder. I'd appreciate an honest answer from as many of you as possible.
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Not at all. If the fight was already underway its totally irrelevant if he saw the firearm, which I instantly figured out was your ridiculous and completely illogical point.
If Martin had seen the firearm prior to getting into the fight, you could argue he feared for his life. After he had engaged the guy? Totally irrelevant.
So it wasn't a matter of you scrambling for facts that you'd been unaware of?
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So it wasn't a matter of you scrambling for facts that you'd been unaware of?
No. I wad aware that Zinmermad had stated in one of his multiple, conflicting statements that Trayvon had gone for the gun DURING the fight. As I said, that is irrelevant, as the conflict had already begun and both men were probably fearing for their lives.
I don't know why you're trying so hard to convict Zimmerman, you loom for every convoluted, illogical argument you can possibly find. The man is a shitbag and a liar, yes, but that doesn't mean a spade isn't a spade.
Two men got into a fight, both men were trying to do what was necessary to continue living. One man succeeded, on man failed. End of story. Everything else is people trying to find an answer using their own experiences, bias' and feelings as the evidence to justify whatever outcome they feel is right on the inside.
I don't particularly care at this point, but the reality is on man was on his back herring his head smashed into the concrete and he did what was necessary to keep living.
Could he have avoided the conflict? Yes.
Could Trayvpn have avoided the conflict? Yes.
Both men chose go into that situation. One men lived, one died.
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/25/us-usa-florida-shooting-idUSBRE95O0FR20130625
To win a conviction for second-degree murder, the prosecution must convince jurors that Zimmerman acted with "ill will, hatred, spite or an evil intent," and "an indifference to human life," according to Florida jury instructions.
Tough case for the prosecution.
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No. I wad aware that Zinmermad had stated in one of his multiple, conflicting statements that Trayvon had gone for the gun DURING the fight.
So why did you say this?:
"there is no evidence showing that Martin knew of the firearm prior to taking a round to the chest."
As I said, that is irrelevant, as the conflict had already begun and both men were probably fearing for their lives.
...while only one of them was responsible for the gun.
I don't know why you're trying so hard to convict Zimmerman, you loom for every convoluted, illogical argument you can possibly find. The man is a shitbag and a liar, yes, but that doesn't mean a spade isn't a spade.
Two men got into a fight, both men were trying to do what was necessary to continue living. One man succeeded, on man failed. End of story. Everything else is people trying to find an answer using their own experiences, bias' and feelings as the evidence to justify whatever outcome they feel is right on the inside.
I don't particularly care at this point, but the reality is on man was on his back herring his head smashed into the concrete and he did what was necessary to keep living.
Could he have avoided the conflict? Yes.
Could Trayvpn have avoided the conflict? Yes.
Both men chose go into that situation. One men lived, one died.
What makes you say Martin chose to enter such a situation?
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/25/us-usa-florida-shooting-idUSBRE95O0FR20130625
To win a conviction for second-degree murder, the prosecution must convince jurors that Zimmerman acted with "ill will, hatred, spite or an evil intent," and "an indifference to human life," according to Florida jury instructions.
Tough case for the prosecution.
A lack of proper moral regard, which is the soft spot, no doubt about it. It leaves room open for a person to use extreme stupidity to explain Zimmerman's actions. I'd say that's why the prosecution opened up with a stream of obscenities, as they wanted to set the tone in that regard.
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To the guys that really want to believe Zimmerman, let me ask:
How do you process the fact that he is known liar, and furthermore that he would have such tremendous incentive to lie about this encounter?
Just a little aside, that's made me wonder. I'd appreciate an honest answer from as many of you as possible.
There is no denying that he told some lies when it came to that happened. The timeline doesn't match when you see the phone transcript start and end times. What trayvon said - no person nor 911 caller heard it. Covering up his mouth and nose after punching - there was no no blood or dna on his hands.
SO yes, we now finally have evidence that trayvon is a liar. that's been established.
And yeah, motive to lie.. he doesn't want to go to jail. Of course he's going to invent all 4 items that make a shoot legal. The problem is that one by one, we're seeing them being proven to be impossible by actual physical evidence. He's guilty of lying about the shooting - no denying that. We just don't know what parts he's lying about and what he's honest about. Now we have to say "yea, he's lying about some, but i trily believe him on the things that haven't been disproven yet..."
its akin to believing everything obama says EXCEPT those proven to be lies. Sometimes you gotta smell the bullshitter for being a bullshitter.
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We should start a thread to see who thinks Zimm will be guilty or acquitted on down the road. No discussions, no explanations, no opinions... just a guilty or acquitted reply.
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A lack of proper moral regard, which is the soft spot, no doubt about it. It leaves room open for a person to use extreme stupidity to explain Zimmerman's actions. I'd say that's why the prosecution opened up with a stream of obscenities, as they wanted to set the tone in that regard.
...leaves room for a person to attribute Zimmerman's actions to extreme stupidity, that is.
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There is no denying that he told some lies when it came to that happened. The timeline doesn't match when you see the phone transcript start and end times. What trayvon said - no person nor 911 caller heard it. Covering up his mouth and nose after punching - there was no no blood or dna on his hands.
SO yes, we now finally have evidence that trayvon is a liar. that's been established.
And yeah, motive to lie.. he doesn't want to go to jail. Of course he's going to invent all 4 items that make a shoot legal. The problem is that one by one, we're seeing them being proven to be impossible by actual physical evidence. He's guilty of lying about the shooting - no denying that. We just don't know what parts he's lying about and what he's honest about. Now we have to say "yea, he's lying about some, but i trily believe him on the things that haven't been disproven yet..."
its akin to believing everything obama says EXCEPT those proven to be lies. Sometimes you gotta smell the bullshitter for being a bullshitter.
I know you mean to refer to Zimmerman...
BTW, no doubt Daddy-O has had quite the hand in things, so far.
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Good post, btw, 240
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We should start a thread to see who thinks Zimm will be guilty or acquitted on down the road. No discussions, no explanations, no opinions... just a guilty or acquitted reply.
It would take some serious knowledge of the people on the jury, and how they will react to one another.
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Yes, Beach Bum, guns have been known to cause extreme fear. That is fact.
What proof do you have trayvon knew about the gun before assaulting Zimmerman?
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What proof do you have trayvon knew about the gun before assaulting Zimmerman?
shit, some dude 30+ pounds bigger and 10 years older starts chasing him without ID'ing himself as police... he fears for his life and uses his fists to try to halt a threat. legal.
tony, I can see you on the street and chase you 2 blocks and run at you full speed - and you're damn sure legal to use a fist, brick, or even gun to stop me - if you feel your life is in danger.
BESIDES... if zimm did everything by the book - why did he feel the need to exaggerate/lie about so many things, tony? ZImm said "he had his hand over my nose and mouth" - yet he can scream full volume, and there is no blood/dna on trayvon's sleeve/hand? You'd think a little widdle detail like that would kinda matter when shooting someone in the heart.
Tony, at the very least - do you AGREE that zimmerman probably exaggerated the part about trayvon covering his nose/mouth after punchign him?
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It would take some serious knowledge of the people on the jury, and how they will react to one another.
Not if we are just predicting for fun and giggles.
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What proof do you have trayvon knew about the gun before assaulting Zimmerman?
Zero. He's doing his typical irrelevant circular argument thing again.
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shit, some dude 30+ pounds bigger and 10 years older starts chasing him without ID'ing himself as police... he fears for his life and uses his fists to try to halt a threat. legal.
tony, I can see you on the street and chase you 2 blocks and run at you full speed - and you're damn sure legal to use a fist, brick, or even gun to stop me - if you feel your life is in danger.
BESIDES... if zimm did everything by the book - why did he feel the need to exaggerate/lie about so many things, tony? ZImm said "he had his hand over my nose and mouth" - yet he can scream full volume, and there is no blood/dna on trayvon's sleeve/hand? You'd think a little widdle detail like that would kinda matter when shooting someone in the heart.
Tony, at the very least - do you AGREE that zimmerman probably exaggerated the part about trayvon covering his nose/mouth after punchign him?
so you have no proof what so ever that trayvon knew about the gun before he assaulted zimmerman?
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so you have no proof what so ever that trayvon knew about the gun before he assaulted zimmerman?
Serious question to people... If a guy was chasing you down, forget weapons, but just chasing you. What would you do? Would you turn and confront him or would you wait until he chases you around the corner and pop him?
I'm seriously unsure myself... I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that I would do either one. Guess it would just depend on my mood at the time. How fearful of my life am I... things like that.
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To the guys that really want to believe Zimmerman, let me ask:
How do you process the fact that he is known liar, and furthermore that he would have such tremendous incentive to lie about this encounter?
Just a little aside, that's made me wonder. I'd appreciate an honest answer from as many of you as possible.
Its not that I want to believe zimmerman, its that in this country your innocent until proven guilty...
the facts as we know them dont point to his guilt, if you have facts to show he lied about this then by all means show them and we will go from there.
you and the other nitwits have made assumption after assumption to fit it to your preconcieved notion that zimmerman is guilty
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Serious question to people... If a guy was chasing you down, forget weapons, but just chasing you. What would you do? Would you turn and confront him or would you wait until he chases you around the corner and pop him?
I'm seriously unsure myself... I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that I would do either one. Guess it would just depend on my mood at the time. How fearful of my life am I... things like that.
havent been doing any cardio lately, hiding and jumping them is the only chance I would have :)
seriously, like I said in another thread at trayvons age I probably would have been just as big of a shit head as he was and confronted zimmerman.
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havent been doing any cardio lately, hiding and jumping them is the only chance I would have :)
seriously, like I said in another thread at trayvons age I probably would have been just as big of a shit head as he was and confronted zimmerman.
So would you say that Zimmerman, with what we know currently, is at fault for the outcome? More so than Trayvon Martin?
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shit, some dude 30+ pounds bigger and 10 years older starts chasing him without ID'ing himself as police... he fears for his life and uses his fists to try to halt a threat. legal.
tony, I can see you on the street and chase you 2 blocks and run at you full speed - and you're damn sure legal to use a fist, brick, or even gun to stop me - if you feel your life is in danger.
BESIDES... if zimm did everything by the book - why did he feel the need to exaggerate/lie about so many things, tony? ZImm said "he had his hand over my nose and mouth" - yet he can scream full volume, and there is no blood/dna on trayvon's sleeve/hand? You'd think a little widdle detail like that would kinda matter when shooting someone in the heart.
Tony, at the very least - do you AGREE that zimmerman probably exaggerated the part about trayvon covering his nose/mouth after punchign him?
That's not evidence. That's you making an assumption, again.
And its pretty obvious you've never been in a fight, or youd know things aren't real clear when there is a man on top of you trying to hit you or get his hands on your head.
It could be that he's exaggerating because he's scared shitless he may go to jail, or he may be honestly telling.them what he thinks he remembers happening. As I said, If you'd ever actually been in a fight you'd know that its pretty fucking hard to know what's going on with a guys hands in your face, and the adrenaline flowjnf. No one knows.
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So would you say that Zimmerman, with what we know currently, is at fault for the outcome? More so than Trayvon Martin?
Equal fault ImHO. I know you weren't talkong to me..... But Martin could have always ignored hin all together, or just asked him what he was doing without initiating a violent confrontation, just as zimmerman could have listened to the 911 operator and just left him alone. They both chose to engage each other.
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So would you say that Zimmerman, with what we know currently, is at fault for the outcome? More so than Trayvon Martin?
no both the morons are at fault.
Trayvon shouldnt have run and then after running shouldnt have confronted zimmerman.
zimmerman shouldnt have got out of the car and followed trayvon
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Equal fault ImHO. I know you weren't talkong to me..... But Martin could have always ignored hin all together, or just asked him what he was doing without initiating a violent confrontation, just as zimmerman could have listened to the 911 operator and just left him alone. They both chose to engage each other.
I don't know if I would agree.
Yes, Trayvon could have ignored him, but isn't that what he was doing before he was being followed?
According to all reports, young Martin was in the process of ignoring him when he realized he was being followed and that's when it hit the fan.
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I don't know if I would agree.
Yes, Trayvon could have ignored him, but isn't that what he was doing before he was being followed?
According to all reports, young Martin was in the process of ignoring him when he realized he was being followed and that's when it hit the fan.
Zimmerman has also said he turned around and had given up following him. and either way, if I was walking down the street and someone was following me, I wouldn't firm around and engage him, is ignore him and if he kept following me is find a suitable place to disappear or set an ambush, attacking a stranger head on is asking to get fucked up. Dude had a million options, he chose violence. He rolled the dice and he lost
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I don't know if I would agree.
Yes, Trayvon could have ignored him, but isn't that what he was doing before he was being followed?
According to all reports, young Martin was in the process of ignoring him when he realized he was being followed and that's when it hit the fan.
being followed doesnt give you the right to assault someone
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Zimmerman has also said he turned around and had given up following him. and either way, if I was walking down the street and someone was following me, I wouldn't firm around and engage him, is ignore him and if he kept following me is find a suitable place to disappear or set an ambush, attacking a stranger head on is asking to get fucked up. Dude had a million options, he chose violence. He rolled the dice and he lost
I'm not saying I don't understand. I'm saying that there's a lot of things that zimmerman did to instigate the confrontation.
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being followed doesnt give you the right to assault someone
It might according to Florida law.
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I'm not saying I don't understand. I'm saying that there's a lot of things that zimmerman did to instigate the confrontation.
He did, yes. The way I look at it, is that neither of them did anything illegal up until the point of the physical conflict. If it was up to me, id think that it would come down to which person initiated the physical assault.
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He did, yes. The way I look at it, is that neither of them did anything illegal up until the point of the physical conflict. If it was up to me, id think that it would come down to which person initiated the physical assault.
agreed
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He did, yes. The way I look at it, is that neither of them did anything illegal up until the point of the physical conflict. If it was up to me, id think that it would come down to which person initiated the physical assault.
It's possible that the jury will see it that way. I'm not saying that I wouldn't. I don't know... The defensive side of me doesn't like the idea of being followed for no reason.
So I can't be as definitive on either side.
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It's possible that the jury will see it that way. I'm not saying that I wouldn't. I don't know... The defensive side of me doesn't like the idea of being followed for no reason.
So I can't be as definitive on either side.
I agree. Plus in reality we have no idea who started the fight, we only.have the.word of the defendant and.no real.way to disprove it. But what actually happened and what he is going to be prosecuted on are probably two completely different things, somehow I doubt the prosecution is in any way going to deal with reality, they're going to try and convince.the jury that he is a lying, racist child killer.
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so you have no proof what so ever that trayvon knew about the gun before he assaulted zimmerman?
and you can't prove he didn't.
Oh, and I can't prove the ninjas that attacked flex wheeler didn't do it either.
We are listening to two diffferent tales of what happened.
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I agree. Plus in reality we have no idea who started the fight, we only.have the.word of the defendant and.no real.way to disprove it. But what actually happened and what he is going to be prosecuted on are probably two completely different things, somehow I doubt the prosecution is in any way going to deal with reality, they're going to try and convince.the jury that he is a lying, racist child killer.
I agree... and that's the problem with the charge in the first place.
The charge doesn't fit the crime and THAT is why it should fail.
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What proof do you have trayvon knew about the gun before assaulting Zimmerman?
There are a lot of reasons that could lead a person to believe the gun caused the fight.
The lengths Zimmerman went through to have Martin questioned, his physical direction, his recorded commentary at that time, the absolutely perfect way a gun lends itself toward accomplishing such a goal - without a single other consideration, could lead a person to believe that the gun caused the fight.
Had he chosen to hold Martin at safe gunpoint until police arrived, he would have ended up on his face, himself, until the situation was secured. He would have lost his permit to carry in the absence of an extremely good reason for his behavior, and would have likely suffered other consequences including a potential lawsuit from Martin.
So we have a situation where he really wants to have Martin questioned, and knows that the gun has potential to accomplish that for him; but if he's going to use it, he needs to do it in a way that doesn't involve drawing and pointing from a safe distance.
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I agree... and that's the problem with the charge in the first place.
The charge doesn't fit the crime and THAT is why it should fail.
Agreed, IMHO the prosecution saw the frenzy the media had whipped the citizens into, and tried to use it as an opportunity to launch her/his/whoevers career with a high profile murder case. pretty sad.
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There are a lot of reasons that could lead a person to believe the gun caused the fight.
The lengths Zimmerman went through to have Martin questioned, his physical direction, his recorded commentary at that time, the absolutely perfect way a gun lends itself toward accomplishing such a goal - without a single other consideration, could lead a person to believe that the gun caused the fight.
Had he chosen to hold Martin at safe gunpoint until police arrived, he would have ended up on his face, himself, until the situation was secured. He would have lost his permit to carry in the absence of an extremely good reason for his behavior, and would have likely suffered other consequences including a potential lawsuit from Martin.
So we have a situation where he really wants to have Martin questioned, and knows that the gun has potential to accomplish that for him; but if he's going to use it, he needs to do it in a way that doesn't involve drawing and pointing from a safe distance.
so again you have no proof that trayvon knew about the gun before assaulting zimmerman....got it ::)
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so again you have no proof that trayvon knew about the gun before assaulting zimmerman....got it ::)
Are you arguing that Zimmerman wasn't terribly interested in having Martin questioned, or...?
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Are you arguing that Zimmerman wasn't terribly interested in having Martin questioned, or...?
Irrelevant.
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BTW, has anyone seen pictures of Martin's supposed hiding place?
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Irrelevant.
Please explain.
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Are you arguing that Zimmerman wasn't terribly interested in having Martin questioned, or...?
are you claiming that if this was true, then it serves as proof that trayvon knew about the gun before he started assaulting zimmerman?
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are you claiming that if this was true, then it serves as proof that trayvon knew about the gun before he started assaulting zimmerman?
just as YOU have ZERO proof that "trayvon started assaulting zimerman".
We have zero proof either man threw the first punch. Isn't that true, tony?
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are you claiming that if this was true, then it serves as proof that trayvon knew about the gun before he started assaulting zimmerman?
It offers an overwhelmingly good reason for Zimmerman to cause Martin to understand the power differential at hand, which, again, lends itself perfectly to the cause.
Can you possibly attempt to deny this?
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BTW, has anyone seen pictures of Martin's supposed hiding place?
bump
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Only caught a little of the testimony today. Heard the person who trained Zimmerman to be a neighborhood watchman talk about the training and him. She said they are trained not to confront people. She also said Zimmerman was a concerned citizen.
Still haven't heard anything that supports a murder charge or disproves self-defense, but I didn't hear or read about all of today's events.
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It offers an overwhelmingly good reason for Zimmerman to cause Martin to understand the power differential at hand, which, again, lends itself perfectly to the cause.
Can you possibly attempt to deny this?
so again you cannot provide any PROOF that trayvon knew about the gun before assaulting zimmerman...
all you have to back up your assumption is an if this, then that...
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"Wendy Dorival, who trained Zimmerman in his duties as the watch representative for his gated community, described him as “a little meek” and someone who wanted to “make changes in his community to make it better.”"
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/haunting-photos-unexpected-witness-defense-day-2-zimmerman-214809362.html
hmmm, meek thats quite a difference than 240 and the rest of the goof troop would paint
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"Wendy Dorival, who trained Zimmerman in his duties as the watch representative for his gated community, described him as “a little meek” and someone who wanted to “make changes in his community to make it better.”"
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/haunting-photos-unexpected-witness-defense-day-2-zimmerman-214809362.html
hmmm, meek thats quite a difference than 240 and the rest of the goof troop would paint
Agree. And the testimony from the 911 operator did not support the contention that Zimmerman was angry. If you listen to the call, Zimmerman is calm. The 911 operator didn't believe Zimmerman was angry.
So far, the prosecution has proved that Zimmerman cared about the safety of his community.
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Are you arguing that Zimmerman wasn't fully dedicated to having Martin questioned, Tony? I'd like a straightforward answer.
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Are you arguing that Zimmerman wasn't fully dedicated to having Martin questioned, Tony? I'd like a straightforward answer.
lol
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Are you arguing that Zimmerman wasn't fully dedicated to having Martin questioned, Tony? I'd like a straightforward answer.
as would I and as your question was a response to my question lets have you answer my question first......
do you have any proof that trayvon knew about the gun before assaulting zimmerman?
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I think there's a very good reason why you won't answer.
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as would I and as your question was a response to my question lets have you answer my question first......
do you have any proof that trayvon knew about the gun before assaulting zimmerman?
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I think there's a very good reason why you won't answer.
wont answer what a question that at best leads us down a trail of biased speculation?
FACT: nothing we have points to trayvon knew about the gun before he assaulted zimmerman
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lol
Right?
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Right?
But he likes to ask questions. :)
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lol...Lots of hurting butts on the thread right now.
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lol...Lots of hurting butts on the thread right now.
Or lots of people laughing at you.
Sure seems like option bravo to me.
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lol...Lots of hurting butts on the thread right now.
hhahaha your level of delusion is awesome!!!
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wont answer what a question that at best leads us down a trail of biased speculation?
FACT: nothing we have points to trayvon knew about the gun before he assaulted zimmerman
Are you saying it's speculation that Zimmerman was dedicated to having Martin questioned, or...?
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Are you saying it's speculation that Zimmerman was dedicated to having Martin questioned, or...?
hahaha
are you saying that even if zimmerman was "dedicated" ::) to having zimmerman questioned it proves trayvon knew about the gun before he assaulted zimmerman?
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Are you saying it's speculation that Zimmerman was dedicated to having Martin questioned, or...?
I really love the way you word things. It makes for extra hilarity.
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We are talking about an overwhelmingly powerful reason for Zimmerman to want Martin to become aware of a difference in their presumed capabilities.
Who will attempt to deny this?
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I really love the way you word things. It makes for extra hilarity.
Thanks, and likewise.
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We are talking about an overwhelmingly powerful reason for Zimmerman to want Martin to become aware of a difference in their presumed capabilities.
Who will attempt to deny this?
Oh brother. "Presumed capabilities."
He wanted to know what Martin was doing in his neighborhood. Period.
Do you think your wannabe pseudo intellectual grammar actually makes you sound intelligent? It doesn't, FYI, it just makes you sound like you're trying too hard.
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We are talking about an overwhelmingly powerful reason for Zimmerman to want Martin to become aware of a difference in their presumed capabilities.
Who will attempt to deny this?
hahaha, do you consider this proof jack?
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Oh brother. "Presumed capabilities."
He wanted to know what Martin was doing in his neighborhood. Period.
Shockwave, that's the point.
Do you think your wannabe pseudo intellectual grammar actually makes you sound intelligent? It doesn't, FYI, it just makes you sound like you're trying too hard.
Don't know what you mean.
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hahaha, do you consider this proof jack?
I consider it to be common sense, Tony.
Shall I remind you of the source of your "proof"?
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I consider it to be common sense, Tony.
Shall I remind you of the source of your "proof"?
Common sense... lol, when the people that agree with you won't touch your arguments with a ten foot pole, that should tell you something about your "common sense"
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Common sense... lol, when the people that agree with you won't touch your arguments with a ten foot pole, that should tell you something about your "common sense"
Not sure what you're trying to say.
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I consider it to be common sense, Tony.
Shall I remind you of the source of your "proof"?
hahahhah the source of my proof is there is no proof to back up your convoluted and biased "common sense"
in this country youre innocent until proven guilty, Im not saying trayvon didnt know Im saying we dont have any proof at all that he did....
you take the automatic stance zimmerman is guilty and wrap your opinions around that instead of looking at the facts of the case and forming an objective opinion
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Not sure what you're trying to say.
YOURE A GRADE "A" FUCKING MORON!!!!!!
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hahahhah the source of my proof is there is no proof to back up your convoluted and biased "common sense"
in this country youre innocent until proven guilty, Im not saying trayvon didnt know Im saying we dont have any proof at all that he did....
you take the automatic stance zimmerman is guilty and wrap your opinions around that instead of looking at the facts of the case and forming an objective opinion
Absolutely nothing convoluted about a person known to have an objective, using the tools at hand to accomplish the objective.
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YOURE A GRADE "A" FUCKING MORON!!!!!!
So now the name-calling, huh?
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:D
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Absolutely nothing convoluted about a person known to have an objective, using the tools at hand to accomplish the objective.
hahahah yup sounds like proof positive!!!
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Oh brother. "Presumed capabilities."
He wanted to know what Martin was doing in his neighborhood. Period.
Do you think your wannabe pseudo intellectual grammar actually makes you sound intelligent? It doesn't, FYI, it just makes you sound like you're trying too hard.
I heard either in opening statements or testimony (cannot remeember which) that after Martin was killed none of the neighbors could identify him, because none of them had seen him before. Not sure how many neighbors, but that supports Zimmerman's belief that the kid looked out of place.
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:D
:'( ;D
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I heard either in opening statements or testimony (cannot remeember which) that after Martin was killed none of the neighbors could identify him, because none of them had seen him before. Not sure how many neighbors, but that supports Zimmerman's belief that the kid looked out of place.
you dont understand beach, zimmerman obviously wanted to have trayvon questioned so he had to pull his gun to keep him from leaving.
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So we can't deny that Zimmerman had an objective.
And we can't deny that he had the tool necessary to accomplish the objective.
Would anyone argue this, so far?
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So we can't deny that Zimmerman had an objective.
And we can't deny that he had the tool necessary to accomplish the objective.
Would anyone argue this, so far?
Looks like Zimmerman was just a concerned (yet irresponsible/dumb) property owner looking out for his neighborhood. More people should keep an eye out.
Martin attacked Zimmerman who rightfully and legally defended his life.
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So we can't deny that Zimmerman had an objective.
And we can't deny that he had the tool necessary to accomplish the objective.
Would anyone argue this, so far?
proof positive that he used his gun to detain trayvon ::)
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So we can't deny that Zimmerman had an objective.
And we can't deny that he had the tool necessary to accomplish the objective.
Would anyone argue this, so far?
Are you still trying this?
He wanted to know why Martin was in his neighborhood, that doesn't mean that he was planning on using his firearm to interrogate him for fuck sake.
You keep trying to tack this in their as a way to support your argument and it's fucking stupid, you have no evidence and no possible way to back it up.
Just because he HAD a firearm, does not mean he was using it as an way to intimidate that kid.
I'll stand by for another post where you try and pose questions meant to lead posters by the nose into your train of thought. Usually that only works when the argument has some semblance of fact or evidence, rarely can you back people into a corner when your whole argument is based on imaginary factors and supposition.
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you dont understand beach, zimmerman obviously wanted to have trayvon questioned so he had to pull his gun to keep him from leaving.
No doubt. And that was after he chased Martin for two blocks to catch up to him.
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No doubt. And that was after he chased Martin for two blocks to catch up to him.
Didn't you know? Zimmerman had an objective, he had to detain, and interrogate Martin, and in order to do this, he absolutely MUST make Martin aware of his superior abilities.
Hell, it's not like he could catch up to the kid and say "Hey man, I don't recognize you, just wondering what you're doing in the neighborhood? We've had a string of break ins so were all on high alert".
Nah, he MUST have had to intimidate the kid and interrogate him, after all, this if fucking Iraq and people won't answer your questions unless they fear for their life.
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Are you still trying this?
He wanted to know why Martin was in his neighborhood, that doesn't mean that he was planning on using his firearm to interrogate him for fuck sake.
Who said that?
You keep trying to tack this in their as a way to support your argument and it's fucking stupid, you have no evidence and no possible way to back it up.
Just because he HAD a firearm, does not mean he was using it as an way to intimidate that kid.
Do you suppose he felt it wasn't important enough to have Martin questioned, or...?
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Who said that?
Do you suppose he felt it wasn't important enough to have Martin questioned, or...?
Oh brother. ::)
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Do you think it was important to Zimmerman that Martin be questioned, guys? What do the facts tell you?
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Can't have things both ways, gents. It's a very simple, obvious answer.
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Can't have things both ways, gents. It's a very simple, obvious answer.
You are the lulz.
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Didn't you know? Zimmerman had an objective, he had to detain, and interrogate Martin, and in order to do this, he absolutely MUST make Martin aware of his superior abilities.
Hell, it's not like he could catch up to the kid and say "Hey man, I don't recognize you, just wondering what you're doing in the neighborhood? We've had a string of break ins so were all on high alert".
Nah, he MUST have had to intimidate the kid and interrogate him, after all, this if fucking Iraq and people won't answer your questions unless they fear for their life.
:)
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You are the lulz.
I'll see you guys tomorrow, lol
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hahahah lol its even funnier if you put his post in the context of his quote under his avatar.
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lol prosecution witness has new testimony never told to police or anyone else...OH YEA SHE ALSO SIGNED A PETITION TO PROSECUTE GEORGE ZIMMERMAN SHE FORGOT ABOUT!!!!!!
go to about 13 mins to see this woman lie her ass off
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lol prosecution witness has new testimony never told to police or anyone else...OH YEA SHE ALSO SIGNED A PETITION TO PROSECUTE GEORGE ZIMMERMAN SHE FORGOT ABOUT!!!!!!
go to about 13 mins to see this woman lie her ass off
What happened? She signed a petition to prosecute him, and then lied? Did she get caught?
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What happened? She signed a petition to prosecute him, and then lied? Did she get caught?
yea she was a key prosecution witness, mentioned some things that she never told anyone about prior to taking the stand and when the defense go to her they pretty much ripped her a new ass hole.
she said she never signed a petition but apparently signed one online and apparently got 2 other ppl to sign it.
http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2013/6/25/george_zimmerman_tri_1.html?cid=rss
In cross-examining her, defense attorney Mark O'Mara accused Bahadoor of never mentioning the left-to-right movement in previous interviews.
O'Mara also pointed out a post on Bahadoor's Facebook wall that she signed the 2012 petition on Change.org calling for Zimmerman's arrest.
the video is pretty fucking funny
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http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=483054.0
4chan alerts Zimmerman's lawyers about a supposedly impartial witness that signed a facebook petition against him
(http://i.imgur.com/v9ElGzoh.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/N5vNhX8.png)
Selene Bahadoor gets confronted on the stand and caught in a lie at about 15:30
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fucking hillarious
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http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/twitter/rachel-jeantel-758403
LMFAO!!!
This is the star witness?
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I heard either in opening statements or testimony (cannot remeember which) that after Martin was killed none of the neighbors could identify him, because none of them had seen him before. Not sure how many neighbors, but that supports Zimmerman's belief that the kid looked out of place.
trayvon didn't live in this park. he was killed on the street where his girlfriend lived.
and after the jury had to physically look at the gun, the hoodie, the tea, and the SKITTLES today...
no way he walks. Sorry, it's over. I think the shooting was indeed an accident after he tried to interrogate about his bike (it was a nice bike!)
But I think he's found guilty now. He lied about so many things that have been proven now, hard to believe him on anything.
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http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/twitter/rachel-jeantel-758403
LMFAO!!!
This is the star witness?
I can't even read that shit.
America's educational system at work. ::)
trayvon didn't live in this park. he was killed on the street where his girlfriend lived.
and after the jury had to physically look at the gun, the hoodie, the tea, and the SKITTLES today...
no way he walks. Sorry, it's over. I think the shooting was indeed an accident after he tried to interrogate about his bike (it was a nice bike!)
But I think he's found guilty now. He lied about so many things that have been proven now, hard to believe him on anything.
Are you talking about the prosecution's witnesses?
P.I. Dick over here with his cracker jack law degree now. LOL.
Why are you so infatuated with this case? It's odd that you've logged 100x more posts about this than you have about PRISM and the fact that your God-King has shit all over the Constitution.
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I can't even read that shit.
America's educational system at work. ::)
Are you talking about the prosecution's witnesses?
P.I. Dick over here with his cracker jack law degree now. LOL.
Why are you so infatuated with this case? It's odd that you've logged 100x more posts about this than you have about PRISM and the fact that your God-King has shit all over the Constitution.
I lol'd too.
Oh noosss, the jury saw the murder weapon and his skittles, dude is as good as convicted.
I don't really give a shit either way, but I'd love to see Zimm walk just to watch 240 have a mini meltdown.
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Also saw this.....dead people do speak from the grave....makes Zimmerman's boo boo's look like nothing.....obviously just a kid
(http://www.drudge.com/resources/trayvon-martin-body-trial-photo.jpg)
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I lol'd too.
Oh noosss, the jury saw the murder weapon and his skittles, dude is as good as convicted.
I don't really give a shit either way, but I'd love to see Zimm walk just to watch 240 have a mini meltdown.
Hilarious. And the same day they saw the gun and skittles, they saw a picture of Zimmerman's broken nose, bloodied face, and bloodied head. But the skittles did it. He's toast.
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I lol'd too.
Oh noosss, the jury saw the murder weapon and his skittles, dude is as good as convicted.
I don't really give a shit either way, but I'd love to see Zimm walk just to watch 240 have a mini meltdown.
I like Rob... I do.
He trolls almost as well as anyone else.
No way he believes that Zimmerman is guilty of MURDER.
Guilty of stupid and perhaps of some other random nebulous things, but MURDER?! NAH.
Rob is awesome though when it comes to this shit.
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On CNN. Poor girl has the neck and IQ of a bull.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/06/26/article-2349009-1A85EB4D000005DC-206_634x366.jpg)
Gives tommy a run for his money.
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On CNN. Poor girl has the neck and IQ of a bull.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/06/26/article-2349009-1A85EB4D000005DC-206_634x366.jpg)
That old girl is lost on that stand. She can't even understand the questions being made to her.
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I like Rob... I do.
He trolls almost as well as anyone else.
No way he believes that Zimmerman is guilty of MURDER.
Guilty of stupid and perhaps of some other random nebulous things, but MURDER?! NAH.
Rob is awesome though when it comes to this shit.
He's the best troll on getbig, lol
Most of us young getbiggers learned the art from him.
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He's the best troll on getbig, lol
Most of us young getbiggers learned the art from him.
I have Adonis as numero uno with Rob a close second. :)
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I have Adonis as numero uno with Rob a close second. :)
haha... yeah you're right ;D
I want to go back to the old days before 240 was neutered. ;D
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haha... yeah you're right ;D
I want to go back to the old days before 240 was neutered. ;D
Rob truly used to be a king... Back before he was "back"
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(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/06/26/article-2349009-1A85EB4D000005DC-206_634x366.jpg)
She's getting pissed... lol
She's getting ready to jump over the witness stand and violently attack the defense the same way Martin attacked Zimmerman!!! ;D
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Haha! Yes she is.
That was painful to watch. What a maroon.
CNN's spin doctors brilliantly painted her in a positive successful light when the trial ended. :o
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She's getting pissed... lol
She's getting ready to jump over the witness stand and violently attack the defense the same way Martin attacked Zimmerman!!! ;D
When I look at her neck I think of the KFC commercial where they say, I think I ate the bones. This bitch ate the bucket.
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When I look at her neck I think of the KFC commercial where they say, I think I ate the bones. This bitch ate the bucket.
haha! I kept picturing a belly button being on her neck like it was a chubby belly. ;D
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Also saw this.....dead people do speak from the grave....makes Zimmerman's boo boo's look like nothing.....obviously just a kid
(http://www.drudge.com/resources/trayvon-martin-body-trial-photo.jpg)
Obviously just a kid? ::)
Looks like a full grown man to me. So much for the cute kid picture the media's been shoving down everyone's throat.
I don't know if Zimmerman is guilty or not, but that is not a little kid.
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Obviously just a kid? ::)
Looks like a full grown man to me. So much for the cute kid picture the media's been shoving down everyone's throat.
I don't know if Zimmerman is guilty or not, but that is not a little kid.
He looks like a teenager to me to be honest. Of course, I'm fucking old now.
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On CNN. Poor girl has the neck and IQ of a bull.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/06/26/article-2349009-1A85EB4D000005DC-206_634x366.jpg)
Michelle Obama .50?
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I like Rob... I do.
He trolls almost as well as anyone else.
No way he believes that Zimmerman is guilty of MURDER.
Guilty of stupid and perhaps of some other random nebulous things, but MURDER?! NAH.
Rob is awesome though when it comes to this shit.
yep, I think he's guilty of having a few beers, seeing a punk he thinks stole his bike... and thinking he could cut thru yards, intercept kid, then find out where he lives so he could drive by and see it in the yard and steal it back. PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
Except, the night was rainy and it was VERY dark in that area they met. The kid was scared and the two of them immediately went to a struggle. Zimmerman, with 18 months of MMA, karate and police training, pinned down the teenager (as the married witness said today) and tried to hold him down til the police got there. He used his gun to subdue him - fairly confident it was justiified but using it because he was scared shitless - then when trayvon started to get up, he shot him acidentally.
Instead of admitting accident, he had to spin a nice story of justified shooting, with at least 4 items which have been proven to be UNTRUE based upon physical evidence.
So it's an accidental shooting from a hothead trying to find his bike, a shitty situation all around. You can't give zimmerman 25 years for this, but he can't get zero sentence either... he pissed on the law to get his bike back (it was a nice bike).
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(http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag97/CCReport4/trayvonmartinpantsfront_zpsa1bdbd96.jpg)
What are those green stains on the front of Martin's pants?
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(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3697/8796259645_b5583487fc_c.jpg)
Hmmmm.
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On CNN. Poor girl has the neck and IQ of a bull.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/06/26/article-2349009-1A85EB4D000005DC-206_634x366.jpg)
The defense asked her if she considered Martin's words "creepy ass cracker" racist. She said no.
She is getting hammered by the defense. They are asking her why she didn't mention that Martin said those words to the police.
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defense wrecking her.
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The defense asked her if she considered Martin's words "creepy ass cracker" racist. She said no.
She is getting hammered by the defense. They are asking her why she didn't mention that Martin said those words to the police.
Black people have no concept of racism unless it pertains to them. And even then they see it everywhere but in themselves. Not all but a lot. This as been my experience.
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did she really just call the asst prosecutor "that bald dude"?
lmao...
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did she really just call the asst prosecutor "that bald dude"?
lmao...
Yes, she did. The prosecutor himself almost laughed.
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they're completely unraveling her right now. She's a mess, and he's just pwning her into oblivion. It's a 85 IQ teenager, a glutton and shady person... against a 140 IQ lawyer with 30 years of pwning people on the stand in front of a jury. It's a dream for him lol...
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She claims that she doesn't consider the words "creepy ass cracker" racist but yet doesn't mention it to Martin's mother nor the police. She also didn't mention to police or the prosecutor that she heard Martin yell "get off me", yet she comes up with that bit of info at the trial.
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Seriously, this is a disaster for the prosecution.. Zero credibility... And this is their Star witness???
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George Zimmerman Witness Can't Read The Letter that She 'Wrote' About Shooting :o
A teenage friend of Trayvon Martin was forced to admit today in the George Zimmerman murder trial that she did not write a letter that was sent to Martin's mother describing what she allegedly heard on a phone call with Martin moments before he was shot.
In a painfully embarassing moment, Rachel Jeantel was asked to read the letter out loud in court.
"Are you able to read that at all?" defense attorney Don West asked.
Jeantel, head bowed, eyes averted whispered into the court microphone, "Some but not all. I don't read cursive."
It sent a hush through the packed courtroom.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-witness-cantt-read-letter-wrote-shooting/story?id=19504826#.UcxLP5wf2fg
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I told you all. Zimmerman walks.
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She claims that she doesn't consider the words "creepy ass cracker" racist but yet doesn't mention it to Martin's mother nor the police. She also didn't mention to police or the prosecutor that she heard Martin yell "get off me", yet she comes up with that bit of info at the trial.
I agee. I think Zimmerman is an idiot who shouldn't have followed Martin but I don't think he set out to kill someone and his actions probably meet the guidelines of self defense, in Florida at least. According to 240 standards of a reliable witness, bucket neck falls woefully short. She intentionally left out two very important details. The media frenzy over this is disgusting.
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George Zimmerman Witness Can't Read The Letter that She 'Wrote' About Shooting :o
A teenage friend of Trayvon Martin was forced to admit today in the George Zimmerman murder trial that she did not write a letter that was sent to Martin's mother describing what she allegedly heard on a phone call with Martin moments before he was shot.
In a painfully embarassing moment, Rachel Jeantel was asked to read the letter out loud in court.
"Are you able to read that at all?" defense attorney Don West asked.
Jeantel, head bowed, eyes averted whispered into the court microphone, "Some but not all. I don't read cursive."
It sent a hush through the packed courtroom.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-witness-cantt-read-letter-wrote-shooting/story?id=19504826#.UcxLP5wf2fg
If she can't read cursive and the letter is in cursive, she didnt write it.
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wow what a cluster fuck
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http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-witness-cantt-read-letter-wrote-shooting/story?id=19504826#.UcxYvz7D_IU
LMFAO!!!!!!
Obama voter no doubt
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I told you all. Zimmerman walks.
it's an all female jury
they might not be much smarter than the witness and they might sympathize with her as well
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it's an all female jury
they might not be much smarter than the witness and they might sympathize with her as well
We shall see... we shall see.
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We shall see... we shall see.
yep
do you know if Zimmerman is going to take the stand
I haven't really been following this thing
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it's an all female jury
they might not be much smarter than the witness and they might sympathize with her as well
All female jury is not good for Zimmerman. Women often think with their hearts and not their heads
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yep
do you know if Zimmerman is going to take the stand
I haven't really been following this thing
I haven't heard... I would wager that after this, he most likely will.
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it's an all female jury
they might not be much smarter than the witness and they might sympathize with her as well
Insinuating women aren't very smart? ???
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This defense attorney is taking too long cross examining her. Wrap it up already.
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This defense attorney is taking too long cross examining her. Wrap it up already.
I think he wants her to go off and show her true colors. Give the jury an idea of the kind of guy Martin was too.
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That would be hilarious if she went nuts and tried to attack the defense attorney.
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Insinuating women aren't very smart? ???
no, just saying that this group of 6 women may not be much smarter than the witness and they may not react positively if they think the defense attorney is attacking her (I haven't seen the video so just going by what I've read here).
That's all just a big maybe. Nothing more than that
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That would be hilarious if she went nuts and tried to attack the defense attorney.
You bald ass cracker!
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You bald ass cracker!
I can't be positive because this chick speaks very softly and mumbles but I just saw a clip where I think she said that a statement by the defense attorney was "retarded"
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YOU CANT MAKE THIS SHIT UP: Trayvon Martin's friend cant read letter she wrote about the night Martin was killed because SHE CANT READ CURSIVE
A teenage friend of Trayvon Martin was forced to admit today in the George Zimmerman murder trial that she did not write a letter that was sent to Martin's mother describing what she allegedly heard on a phone call with Martin moments before he was shot.
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I can't be positive because this chick speaks very softly and mumbles but I just saw a clip where I think she said that a statement by the defense attorney was "retarded"
I see she's a strong proponent of political correctness.
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I said it yesterday after she spoke for 2 minutes - NOT A CREDIBLE WITNESS. Making it up as she goes.
however, zimmerman will NEVER take the stand. Never ever. He would have to answer for the many 'inconsistencies' in his account of that evening's events.
This witness making it up as she goes, she's a lying flake. But the 911 tape is what puts him in prison. And it's a shame - it should be 8 years for manslaughter. I'm hoping both sides come to senses and plead. He never intended to murder trayvon, but he did intend to create a confrontation so he could get his damn bike back. carrying a gun into a confusing scary confrotation with a stronger that YOU created, then shooting your way out - that's an 8 year bid, not 25. Nor zero.
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I said it yesterday after she spoke for 2 minutes - NOT A CREDIBLE WITNESS. Making it up as she goes.
however, zimmerman will NEVER take the stand. Never ever. He would have to answer for the many 'inconsistencies' in his account of that evening's events.
This witness making it up as she goes, she's a lying flake. But the 911 tape is what puts him in prison. And it's a shame - it should be 8 years for manslaughter. I'm hoping both sides come to senses and plead. He never intended to murder trayvon, but he did intend to create a confrontation so he could get his damn bike back. carrying a gun into a confusing scary confrotation with a stronger that YOU created, then shooting your way out - that's an 8 year bid, not 25. Nor zero.
From what I gather (note: I haven't been following this much at all), she's the prosecution's star witness.
You sound like a defeated little child now. You're practically begging for him to plead out so that he doesn't walk.
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From what I gather (note: I haven't been following this much at all), she's the prosecution's star witness.
You sound like a defeated little child now. You're practically begging for him to plead out so that he doesn't walk.
Which is exactly what's going to happen.
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For those that haven't seen it, this is Zimmerman's version of what happened. Skip to 2:00.
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Which is exactly what's going to happen.
more likely to wobble out of court than walk and if he continues gaining weight they might have to roll him out
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For those that haven't seen it, this is Zimmerman's version of what happened. Skip to 2:00.
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Thanks for posting this. Makes sense.
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So it was Martin who injected race into this by calling Zimmerman a "creepy a** cracker."
Saw portions of the "star witness" testimony. Train wreck.
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however, zimmerman will NEVER take the stand. Never ever. He would have to answer for the many 'inconsistencies' in his account of that evening's events.
If he was smart, he'd take the stand, and when asked, flat out tell them "Part of it is because it's fuzzy, it all happened to fast that it was tough to remember the specifics, and the other part is because I was scared shitless and exaggerated some things slightly because I just realized I had taken a young mans life, and that he was never coming back"
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So it was Martin who injected race into this by calling Zimmerman a "creepy a** cracker."
Saw portions of the "star witness" testimony. Train wreck.
yup after all the race talk and bull shit about racial profiling the first proof of it we have is trayvon racially profiling zimmerman
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yup after all the race talk and bull shit about racial profiling the first proof of it we have is trayvon racially profiling zimmerman
how does one "racially profile" someone who is following you
since Zimmerman was following him the creepy part is apt and the only one actually racially profiling was Zimmerman (i.e. he chose to follow and confront Martin in part because of his race)
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how does one "racially profile" someone who is following you
since Zimmerman was following him the creepy part is apt and the only one actually racially profiling was Zimmerman (i.e. he chose to follow and confront Martin in part because of his race)
LMFAO you butt boys just cant give up can you.
what evidence do you have zimmerman racially profiled?
do you consider cracker a racist term?
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LMFAO you butt boys just cant give up can you.
what evidence do you have zimmerman racially profiled?
do you consider cracker a racist term?
butt boy?
got something on your mind sonny?
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what evidence do you have zimmerman racially profiled?
do you consider cracker a racist term?
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Black people have no concept of racism unless it pertains to them. And even then they see it everywhere but in themselves. Not all but a lot. This as been my experience.
Thank you for being so honest and open minded about your own racism. We all would have been horribly offended if you had opted to omit the qualifying phrases; "Not all but a lot" and "This has been my experience".
I'm sure that the PC fairy is thrilled with your painstaking efforts not to sound racist. ::)
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yup after all the race talk and bull shit about racial profiling the first proof of it we have is trayvon racially profiling zimmerman
profile was unfortunately correct....Zimmerman was a creep and he killed him.
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Thank you for being so honest and open minded about your own racism. We all would have been horribly offended if you had opted to omit the qualifying phrases; "Not all but a lot" and "This has been my experience".
I'm sure that the PC fairy is thrilled with your painstaking efforts not to sound racist. ::)
I'm not black. I had to qualify my statement because I've conducted no formal study of this issue and my evidence is anecdotal.
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profile was unfortunately correct....Zimmerman was a creep and he killed him.
::)
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If Zimmerman is found not guilty, or not as "guilty" as the media want, what scale of rioting are we looking at?
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If Zimmerman is found not guilty, or not as "guilty" as the media want, what scale of rioting are we looking at?
I hope a lot - good chance for the Koreans to take out a lot of thugs and animals
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Witness Says Trayvon Was On Top of Zimmerman Beating Him, just as Zimmerman has said from day 1
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John Good, who came out and saw the two fighting closer than anyone else, and even spoke to the two of them, is on the stand now.
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Witness Says Trayvon Was On Top of Zimmerman Beating Him, just as Zimmerman has said from day 1
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240? Comments?
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John Good is testifying right now and he states unequivocally that Trayvon was on top of Zimm. Trayvon on the dominant position on top and Zimm on his back.
Ground and pound positions says Good.
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John Good is testifying right now and he states unequivocally that Trayvon was on top of Zimm. Trayvon on the dominant position on top and Zimm on his back.
Ground and pound positions says Good.
Looks like someone is lying about who was on top. John has nothing to gain by lying.
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Looks like someone is lying about who was on top. John has nothing to gain by lying.
Zimmerman is going to walk.
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Zimmerman is going to walk.
Willing to bet? Your past predictions were oh so accurate.
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The closest eyewitness (who is on the stand now) corroborates what Zimmerman said in the interview that Zimmerman gave to Police.
Witness Says Trayvon Was On Top of Zimmerman Beating Him, just as Zimmerman has said from day 1:
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John Good, who came out and saw the two fighting closer than anyone else, and said that it was Zimmerman on the bottom, and yelling for help.
Zimmerman's Police interview walk through from the very next day:
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Zimmerman trial blockbuster — Eyewitness says Trayvon on top punching Mixed Martial Arts style
A neighbor, John Good, who witnessed the fight between Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman has just devastated the State’s case, testifying that he saw the fight between the two, that Trayvon was on top punching Mixed Martial Arts style, and that the scream must have come from Zimmerman because Zimmerman was on the bottom and Trayvon was faced away from the witness.
http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/06/zimmerman-trial-blockbuster-eyewitness-says-trayvon-on-top-punching-mixed-martial-arts-style/
Bitch240 on suicide watch!!!!
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Zimmerman trial blockbuster — Eyewitness says Trayvon on top punching Mixed Martial Arts style
A neighbor, John Good, who witnessed the fight between Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman has just devastated the State’s case, testifying that he saw the fight between the two, that Trayvon was on top punching Mixed Martial Arts style, and that the scream must have come from Zimmerman because Zimmerman was on the bottom and Trayvon was faced away from the witness.
http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/06/zimmerman-trial-blockbuster-eyewitness-says-trayvon-on-top-punching-mixed-martial-arts-style/
Bitch240 on suicide watch!!!!
This raises questions about the witnesses who say Zimmerman was on top. Somebody is lying. Either good or the other witnessed. They can't both be white right.
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This raises questions about the witnesses who say Zimmerman was on top. Somebody is lying. Either good or the other witnessed. They can't both be white right.
This entire case against Zimm was a sham from Day 1.
I wonder if Obama will melt down once zimm is freed
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This entire case against Zimm was a sham from Day 1.
I wonder if Obama will melt down once zimm is freed
The testimony from John Good pretty much kills the prosecutions argument. I'm curious to hear from the witnesses who said Zimmerman was on top. Does the talk of tops and bottoms make this bodybuilding related?
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This entire case against Zimm was a sham from Day 1.
I wonder if Obama will melt down once zimm is freed
the only person who ever melts down about anything is you
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This raises questions about the witnesses who say Zimmerman was on top. Somebody is lying. Either good or the other witnessed. They can't both be white right.
Before the shot Zimmerman was on the bottom getting pounded, and yelling for help, then after the shot, he got on top. So what some are testifying to seeing is Zimmerman on top which was after he shot him.
Watch the video from 10:00 to 14:00:
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Before the shot Zimmerman was on the bottom getting pounded, and yelling for help, then after the shot, he got on top. So what some are testifying to seeing is Zimmerman on top which was after he shot him.
Watch the video from 10:00 to 14:00:
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Thank you. At this point I couldn't convict Zimmerman. Let's see how the rest of the trial goes.
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If he was smart, he'd take the stand, and when asked, flat out tell them "Part of it is because it's fuzzy, it all happened to fast that it was tough to remember the specifics, and the other part is because I was scared shitless and exaggerated some things slightly because I just realized I had taken a young mans life, and that he was never coming back"
if he hadn't exaggerated things, he'd be fine. Those little lies add up... and when the lies happen to be about the circumstances leading to a dead person. Well, that's ONE time where honesty is really important.
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if he hadn't exaggerated things, he'd be fine. Those little lies add up... and when the lies happen to be about the circumstances leading to a dead person. Well, that's ONE time where honesty is really important.
By that standard, you have to throw out what bucket neck the hutt said. I think think Zimmerman is a buffoon but he doesn't look guilty under Florida law.
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Thank you. At this point I couldn't convict Zimmerman. Let's see how the rest of the trial goes.
good idea
I doubt anyone on this board watched the full six hours of testimony from Rachel Jeantel
we really have no idea at this point how this thing it going to play out, will Zimm even take the stand, etc.
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good idea
I doubt anyone on this board watched the full six hours of testimony from Rachel Jeantel
we really have no idea at this point how this thing it going to play out, will Zimm even take the stand, etc.
I'm keeping an open mind. All my statements are in reference to the case as it unfolds. My opinion may change with the evidence.
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By that standard, you have to throw out what bucket neck the hutt said. I think think Zimmerman is a buffoon but he doesn't look guilty under Florida law.
i've said from minute, by the LAW, he didn't break it - It's a flawed law... you can walk up to anyone, start shit, fall down and shoot their brain out. all day long. Then, you can cite "stand your ground" incorrectly.
Which is why I think he needs 8 years for manslaughter for creating the situation, and why I think jury will PUNISH him for the situation leading up to shooting trayvon, NOT FOR BREAKING THE LAW.
The law is the problem. pricks like him can chase unarmed kids into a scary fight, then shoot em
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i've said from minute, by the LAW, he didn't break it - It's a flawed law... you can walk up to anyone, start shit, fall down and shoot their brain out. all day long. Then, you can cite "stand your ground" incorrectly.
Which is why I think he needs 8 years for manslaughter for creating the situation, and why I think jury will PUNISH him for the situation leading up to shooting trayvon, NOT FOR BREAKING THE LAW.
The law is the problem. pricks like him can chase unarmed kids into a scary fight, then shoot em
The DA should not have charged murder
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The DA should not have charged murder
Exactly.
I have only been saying this since day 1.
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i've said from minute, by the LAW, he didn't break it - It's a flawed law... you can walk up to anyone, start shit, fall down and shoot their brain out. all day long. Then, you can cite "stand your ground" incorrectly.
Which is why I think he needs 8 years for manslaughter for creating the situation, and why I think jury will PUNISH him for the situation leading up to shooting trayvon, NOT FOR BREAKING THE LAW.
The law is the problem. pricks like him can chase unarmed kids into a scary fight, then shoot em
The argument is when the situation began. It's true Zimmerman followed Martin but is that when the situation started? Did the situation begin when/if Martin was the one to initiate violence? Did Zimmerman intend to engage physically with Martin? If he didnt then he never expected the violence to occur. He didnt pulled his gun until after the scuffle began. Did he expect Martin to react sheepishly because he was an older male?
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The argument is when the situation began. It's true Zimmerman followed Martin but is that when the situation started? Did the situation begin when/if Martin was the one to initiate violence? Did Zimmerman intend to engage physically with Martin? If he didnt then he never expected the violence to occur. He didnt pulled his gun until after the scuffle began. Did he expect Martin to react sheepishly because he was an older male?
the situation started when a 17 year old had to run two blocks through the yards to get away from an MMA trained adult with a 9mm, calling him names and chasing him.
he expected martin to stop, be compliant, and give up his constitutional rights, and just halt movement and give up information on a stolen bike which, well, he didn't steal.
IF he was charged with manslaughter, there's probably a 100% chance that the jury would jump on that charge. They made it all or nothing - murder or he walks.
It was never murder... it was a fat idiot who decided to scare the fck out of a kid, who bit off more than he could chew, then shot his way out. it's not murder but it's not nothing either.
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the situation started when a 17 year old had to run two blocks through the yards to get away from an MMA trained adult with a 9mm, calling him names and chasing him.
he expected martin to stop, be compliant, and give up his constitutional rights, and just halt movement and give up information on a stolen bike which, well, he didn't steal.
IF he was charged with manslaughter, there's probably a 100% chance that the jury would jump on that charge. They made it all or nothing - murder or he walks.
It was never murder... it was a fat idiot who decided to scare the fck out of a kid, who bit off more than he could chew, then shot his way out. it's not murder but it's not nothing either.
How do you know he was scared and running? Don't you think trayvon could have easily out ran Zimmerman if he wanted to, especially if he was as scared as you believe he was? Martin could have been out of the neighborhood before Zimmerman caught up with him.
Martin had a choice in the matter too. He didnt have to make it physical. Do you still believe Zimmerman was on top after goods testimony?
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the situation started when a 17 year old had to run two blocks through the yards to get away from an MMA trained adult with a 9mm, calling him names and chasing him.
he expected martin to stop, be compliant, and give up his constitutional rights, and just halt movement and give up information on a stolen bike which, well, he didn't steal.
IF he was charged with manslaughter, there's probably a 100% chance that the jury would jump on that charge. They made it all or nothing - murder or he walks.
It was never murder... it was a fat idiot who decided to scare the fck out of a kid, who bit off more than he could chew, then shot his way out. it's not murder but it's not nothing either.
Man. I see you've already started to cover your ass and the trial isn't even over yet. You're a sad man Rob.
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How do you know he was scared and running? Don't you think trayvon could have easily out ran Zimmerman if he wanted to, especially if he was as scared as you believe he was? Martin could have been out of the neighborhood before Zimmerman caught up with him.
Martin had a choice in the matter too. He didnt have to make it physical. Do you still believe Zimmerman was on top after goods testimony?
If Trayvon Martin is really running scared that foot race is over in 5 seconds and Zimmerman is left in the dust.
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http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/06/27/if-zimmerman-get-off-ima-go-kill-a-white-boy-trayvon-martin-supporters-make-shocking-threats-ahead-of-verdict/
‘If Zimmerman Get Off, Ima Go Kill a White Boy’: Trayvon Martin Supporters Make Shocking Threats Ahead of Verdict
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Typical ghetto thugs and criminals
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/06/27/if-zimmerman-get-off-ima-go-kill-a-white-boy-trayvon-martin-supporters-make-shocking-threats-ahead-of-verdict/
‘If Zimmerman Get Off, Ima Go Kill a White Boy’: Trayvon Martin Supporters Make Shocking Threats Ahead of Verdict
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Typical ghetto thugs and criminals
Bunch of people who are twitter warriors and ain't going to do shit.
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http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/06/27/if-zimmerman-get-off-ima-go-kill-a-white-boy-trayvon-martin-supporters-make-shocking-threats-ahead-of-verdict/
‘If Zimmerman Get Off, Ima Go Kill a White Boy’: Trayvon Martin Supporters Make Shocking Threats Ahead of Verdict
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This is a glimpse into the mind of Andre. This goes back to another post I made where I commented on black people's inability to see their own racism.
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So not only did Martin inject race into this situation, and not Zimmerman (according to the evidence), the prosecution witnesses have confirmed Martin was beating Zimmerman MMA style, that Zimmerman was bloodied, that he looked like he got his "butt beat," the back of his head was bleeding, and Zimmerman was calling for help. At this rate, unless the proseuction is saving the "smoking gun" witness, I don't think the defense even needs to call any witnesses.
Witness describes Zimmerman's injuries, phone call to wife
Published June 28, 2013
FoxNews.com
A resident of the Florida community where George Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin last year told jurors Friday afternoon how he encountered a bloodied Zimmerman immediately after the confrontation and took pictures of the murder defendant's injuries.
State witness Joe Manalo testified that took the photos with his cell phone that showed blood on Zimmerman's lip and scalp.
"He had blood running down his nose from both nostrils and over his lips," Manalo told Prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda.
Manalo said Zimmerman asked him to call his wife, Shellie, and tell her that he just shot someone as cops arrived on the scene.
"He had a cell phone in his hand and he tossed it on the ground asking if I could call his wife," Manalo testified. "He gave me her number. I had a connection right away and said, 'Your husband has been involved in a shooting. He's detained by Sanford police.'"
"Just tell her I shot someone," Manalo recalled Zimmerman saying, to which he obliged.
On cross-examination, defense attorney Don West read a transcript of what Manalo claims Zimmerman told him after the shooting.
"This guy was beating me up and I was defending myself. I shot him," the statement read.
West then asked Manalo, "George Zimmerman asked, 'Am I bleeding?'" Manalo confirmed that he did.
Manalo also confirmed his earlier statement that when the police officer asked him who shot Martin, Zimmerman replied immediately saying that he had.
Earlier on Friday, another neighbor, John Good, testified how he witnessed an MMA-style fracas between Zimmerman and Martin. He described seeing one person straddling another and throwing punches down at the person which he described in a statement as a "ground and pound."
Good said he was watching TV with his wife when they heard a noise and he went out to investigate, despite his wife warning him not to. At first, he thought a dog might be attacking someone, but as he moved closer, he said he observed what looked like "a tussle" between two people.
"It looked like a tussle," Good said. "I could only see one person. At one point, I yelled out, 'What's going on? Stop it,' I believe.
Under questioning by De la Rionda, Good said one of the combatants was straddling a man lying face up on the pavement, and throwing punches. The testimony appeared to corroborate Zimmerman's claims that he shot the 17-year-old African-American with a legally registered gun in self defense, as he was being pummeled.
"I could tell that the person on the bottom had a lighter skin color," testified Good, who also said the person on the bottom appeared to be wearing "white or red," while the one on top wore dark clothing. Zimmerman identified that day as Hispanic and was wearing a red jacket. That also would corroborate Zimmerman's claims he was on the losing end of a violent confrontation when he fired the fatal shot.
But Good said he did not see the person on top slam the other one's head into the pavement. Zimmerman had wounds to his scalp following the confrontation.
Good, who went back inside and was calling 911 when he heard a gunshot, listened as an audio recording of his call was played in the courtroom.
"It looks like there's a black guy down, and he's dead," Good said on the call.
During cross examination, defense attorney Mark O'Mara asked Good to be more specific as to the exact positions of the two men on the ground and even demonstrated in the courtroom asking for visual confirmation. He also asked what Good meant on the 911 call when he said the person on top was engaged in an "MMA-style" move of "ground and pound". The witness also said during testimony that the person on the bottom was unable to move under a flurry of punches.
When O'Mara asked him if the person on top was Martin, Good said: "Correct, that's what it looked like."
Good also said he believed the person on the bottom yelled for help, but later conceded that he was not 100 percent sure it was the person on the bottom calling for help while he was in his house placing the emergency call, only that it "sounded like" it came from the person being attacked.
During cross-examination, O'Mara got on his knees to recreate the fighting as he asked Good to walk him through it.
Good was also shown by O'Mara a picture of Martin in a 7-Eleven convenience store and said that the person on top during the struggle was wearing the same dark clothing in the image.
Questioning was then redirected back to the prosecutor who tried to discredit a strong testimony for the defense.
De La Rionda asked Good if he used the term "ground and pound" in his statements to investigators or if it was a Sanford Police Department investigator first used the term. Good replied that it was possible. De La Rionda also used water bottles to help demonstrate the position of Zimmerman and Martin and even got Good to concede that he did not actually see punches thrown and that he "only saw downward movement" of arms.
The testimony came as Zimmerman’s murder trial entered its fifth day Friday, a day after the former neighborhood watch volunteer's attorney tried to demonstrate that the woman who was on the phone with Trayvon Martin shortly before he was fatally shot was not believable because her story changed over the course of the last year.
An attorney for Martin’s family, meanwhile, suddenly declared Thursday that the high-profile case was not about race.
“It’s not about racial profiling,” Daryl Parks told reporters. “He was profiled (criminally). George Zimmerman profiled him.”
Parks made the comments after prosecutors spent several days arguing that Zimmerman profiled the 17-year-old specifically because he was black. Asked why he changed his take on the matter, Parks replied: “We never claimed this was about race.”
Zimmerman, 29, has said he opened fire only after the teenager jumped him and began slamming his head against the concrete sidewalk. Zimmerman identifies himself as Hispanic and has denied that his confrontation with the black teenager had anything to do with race, as Martin's family and its supporters have claimed.
Zimmerman has pleaded not guilty, claiming self-defense. He could face life in prison if convicted.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/06/28/zimmerman-defense-grills-witness-for-second-day/?test=latestnews#ixzz2XXMltxTf
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Kills the prosecution.
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Man. I see you've already started to cover your ass and the trial isn't even over yet. You're a sad man Rob.
Yup. Bitch move by him.
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Pretty powerful evidence for Zimmerman.
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zimmerman admits he drove past trayvon initially. also it is believed he cut through the backyards to intercept trayvon. once trayvon got around corner, he slowed back down. he was quite the pothead, maybe he had stamina issues.
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zimmerman admits he drove past trayvon initially. also it is believed he cut through the backyards to intercept trayvon. once trayvon got around corner, he slowed back down. he was quite the pothead, maybe he had stamina issues.
Just think how all your fantasies about this case have been utterly demolished in two short days.
Zimm is going to walk and all the leftists and racial poverty pimps are going to look like absolute shit
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Testimony from the EMT:
"He had a very swollen, bleeding nose. He had lacerations to the back of his head," said Livingston. "We just tried to clean up his injuries so we could see them better."
She also saw two cuts on the back of his head, each approximately an inch long. They also cleaned up the cuts.
http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/06/28/questions-still-loom-over-george-zimmerman-trial?hpt=hp_t2
Some of the testimony from the officer who took Zimmerman into custody:
3:43 p.m. ET: Zimmerman said he felt light-headed in the back of the patrol car, according to Smith.
3:38 p.m. ET: On the way to the patrol car, Smith says Zimmerman told him something voluntarily:
"He stated to me that he was yelling for 'help' and that nobody would come help him," said Smith.
Zimmerman said it again once they got to the car.
"It was almost confusion. Sort of a confused look on his face," said Smith.
3:36 p.m. ET: Once Zimmerman was handcuffed, Smith says he secured Zimmerman's gun.
"Did he seem angry?" asked O'Mara.
"No, sir," said Smith.
"Did he seem frustrated?" asked O'Mara.
"No, sir," said Smith.
"Did he seem spiteful of anything that was going on?" asked O'Mara.
"No, sir," said Smith.
"Any ill will or hatred at all when you first saw him moments after the event?" asked O'Mara.
"No, sir," said Smith.
Smith also says Zimmerman's behavior didn't seem strange and he didn't seem cavalier.
http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/06/28/questions-still-loom-over-george-zimmerman-trial?hpt=hp_t2
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i've said from minute, by the LAW, he didn't break it - It's a flawed law... you can walk up to anyone, start shit, fall down and shoot their brain out. all day long. Then, you can cite "stand your ground" incorrectly.
Which is why I think he needs 8 years for manslaughter for creating the situation, and why I think jury will PUNISH him for the situation leading up to shooting trayvon, NOT FOR BREAKING THE LAW.
The law is the problem. pricks like him can chase unarmed kids into a scary fight, then shoot em
This is why no one here can understand you. On one hand you say he didn't break the law, but on the other hand you say he should get 8 years. Why should he get 8 years IF HE DIDN'T BREAK THE LAW?
Do you know that if there is no legal basis for the jury's "punishment", Zimm will have an excellent case for an appeal?
You can't punish Zimm because you don't like the law. You can't make an example out of him because you disagree with the law.
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Testimony from the PA:
5:22 p.m. ET: "If the complaint was that the head was hit on concrete, would you find that consistent with the injuries you see?" asked O'Mara.
"I would," said Folgate.
5:19 p.m. ET: O'Mara points out more bumps and abrasions on Zimmerman's head and Folgate says they could be consistent with a head hitting concrete.
5:15 p.m. ET: Injuries seen on Zimmerman's temple could be consistence with his head being hit against concrete, according to Folgate.
http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/06/28/questions-still-loom-over-george-zimmerman-trial?hpt=hp_t2
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Will 240 burn down the hood when Zimm walks?
Testimony from the PA:
5:22 p.m. ET: "If the complaint was that the head was hit on concrete, would you find that consistent with the injuries you see?" asked O'Mara.
"I would," said Folgate.
5:19 p.m. ET: O'Mara points out more bumps and abrasions on Zimmerman's head and Folgate says they could be consistent with a head hitting concrete.
5:15 p.m. ET: Injuries seen on Zimmerman's temple could be consistence with his head being hit against concrete, according to Folgate.
http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/06/28/questions-still-loom-over-george-zimmerman-trial?hpt=hp_t2
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Testimony from the PA:
5:22 p.m. ET: "If the complaint was that the head was hit on concrete, would you find that consistent with the injuries you see?" asked O'Mara.
"I would," said Folgate.
5:19 p.m. ET: O'Mara points out more bumps and abrasions on Zimmerman's head and Folgate says they could be consistent with a head hitting concrete.
5:15 p.m. ET: Injuries seen on Zimmerman's temple could be consistence with his head being hit against concrete, according to Folgate.
http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/06/28/questions-still-loom-over-george-zimmerman-trial?hpt=hp_t2
You've got it all wrong. Zimmerman hit himself in the head with the butt of his gun.
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Will 240 burn down the hood when Zimm walks?
He'll definitely be unhappy. But you never know what the jury will do.
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You've got it all wrong. Zimmerman hit himself in the head with the butt of his gun.
That's right. There are "some" who believe Zimmerman did this. Crazy.
I think we could have a video of the fight and shooting and you'd still have people making up conspiracy theories.
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He'll definitely be unhappy. But you never know what the jury will do.
I don't think this will even go to the jury at this rate.
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I don't think this will even go to the jury at this rate.
I thought that before the trial started, but I'm not sure the judge has the courage to toss the case. Too much political and social pressure. But we'll see what happens.
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The political pressure is on. I don't think Zimmerman has much of a chance. The testimony from Good really made an impact on me. Lets see how it effects the jury.
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The political pressure is on. I don't think Zimmerman has much of a chance. The testimony from Good really made an impact on me. Lets see how it effects the jury.
The GF of Trayvon also helped sink the case since it shows him to be a thug and racist himself.
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The GF of Trayvon also helped sink the case since it shows him to be a thug and racist himself.
sink the case?
It's the 2nd or 3rd day of the trial
are you really an attorney?
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The political pressure is on. I don't think Zimmerman has much of a chance. The testimony from Good really made an impact on me. Lets see how it effects the jury.
I agree about Good. He was the strongest witness so far. Credible. Straight talk. And he was the closest witness to the beat down.
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sink the case?
It's the 2nd or 3rd day of the trial
are you really an attorney?
What do they have left? Nothing
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defense should bring up the autopsy and tell the jury trayvon had bruised knuckles from bouncing zimmermans head off the concrete
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sink the case?
It's the 2nd or 3rd day of the trial
are you really an attorney?
Think he's also forgetting that a normal person would fight back if they are being chased by some armed person. Don't think anyone would have expected Trayvon not to try to fight off his attacker. Zimmerman may have gotten his ass beat but it was his own fault trying to capture him.
Zimmerman is sunk....he's not going to testify because the prosecution would call him out for all of his lies. Point being...Trayvon was not breaking the law, was not armed, or doing anything illegal, plus he has no criminal or juvi record....and no rational jury not going to let an person go free for shooting an innocent kid....white or black.
The closing statements from the prosecution will go like this...." Zimmerman have the right to play judge and jury"
333386 is obviously a racist piece of shit....he's proven that clearly.
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Think he's also forgetting that a normal person would fight back if they are being chased by some armed person. Don't think anyone would have expected Trayvon not to try to fight off his attacker. Zimmerman may have gotten his ass beat but it was his own fault trying to capture him.
Zimmerman is sunk....he's not going to testify because the prosecution would call him out for all of his lies. Point being...Trayvon was not breaking the law, was not armed, or doing anything illegal, plus he has no criminal or juvi record....and no rational jury not going to let an person go free for shooting an innocent kid....white or black.
The closing statements from the prosecution will go like this...." Zimmerman have the right to play judge and jury"
333386 is obviously a racist piece of shit....he's proven that clearly.
You’re missing the point that Zimmerman was not doing anything illegal either.
Zimmerman should not testify, because so far there is ZERO evidence that he murdered Martin. Have you been following the trial?
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Think he's also forgetting that a normal person would fight back if they are being chased by some armed person. Don't think anyone would have expected Trayvon not to try to fight off his attacker. Zimmerman may have gotten his ass beat but it was his own fault trying to capture him.
Zimmerman is sunk....he's not going to testify because the prosecution would call him out for all of his lies. Point being...Trayvon was not breaking the law, was not armed, or doing anything illegal, plus he has no criminal or juvi record....and no rational jury not going to let an person go free for shooting an innocent kid....white or black.
The closing statements from the prosecution will go like this...." Zimmerman have the right to play judge and jury"
333386 is obviously a racist piece of shit....he's proven that clearly.
LMFAO no proof that trayvon knew that zimmerman had a gun before Trayvon assaulted zimmerman
no proof zimmerman started the physical confrontation that lead to trayvons death...
dont let facts get in the way airsoft
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Don't think anyone would have expected Trayvon not to try to fight off his attacker. Zimmerman may have gotten his ass beat but it was his own fault trying to capture him.
Attacker? Capture? Holy shit, you're more delusional that 240.
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Think he's also forgetting that a normal person would fight back if they are being chased by some armed person. Don't think anyone would have expected Trayvon not to try to fight off his attacker. Zimmerman may have gotten his ass beat but it was his own fault trying to capture him.
Zimmerman is sunk....he's not going to testify because the prosecution would call him out for all of his lies. Point being...Trayvon was not breaking the law, was not armed, or doing anything illegal, plus he has no criminal or juvi record....and no rational jury not going to let an person go free for shooting an innocent kid....white or black.
The closing statements from the prosecution will go like this...." Zimmerman have the right to play judge and jury"
333386 is obviously a racist piece of shit....he's proven that clearly.
LOL - the facts are the facts - you stupid twinks are too emotionally invested in this nonsense to see this is tawana brawley all over again - a pack of lies by racist poverty pimps like Obama Sharpton et al
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How the fuck did this shit ever make it to trial for a murder 2 charge?
LMFAO what the fuck....
zimmermans description of the events lines up perfectly with the testimony today.
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How the fuck did this shit ever make it to trial for a murder 2 charge?
LMFAO what the fuck....
zimmermans description of the events lines up perfectly with the testimony today.
Because once the racists like vince andre option d obaa Sharpton the msnbc hacks got everyone whipped up into a fake narrative they could not allow the facts to get in the way of their created bs fairy tale
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How the fuck did this shit ever make it to trial for a murder 2 charge?
LMFAO what the fuck....
zimmermans description of the events lines up perfectly with the testimony today.
Tell me about it. Should have never happened. What's scary is all of the pundits all over the media spinning the evidence against Zimmerman. They are just fostering what will be a lot of overreacting if he is acquitted.
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Tell me about it. Should have never happened. What's scary is all of the pundits all over the media spinning the evidence against Zimmerman. They are just fostering what will be a lot of overreacting if he is acquitted.
hahah absolutely pierce morgan did the same thing implying that cracker wasnt a racist term, saying that it may have been zimmerman on top b/c he had "mma" training.
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hahah absolutely pierce morgan did the same thing implying that cracker wasnt a racist term, saying that it may have been zimmerman on top b/c he had "mma" training.
That fool actually said the "star witness" did a great job and was very compelling. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.
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Why did the lead investigator in the case want to charge zimmerman that night?
And why did zimmerman lie about so many little things?
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Why did the lead investigator in the case want to charge zimmerman that night?
And why did zimmerman lie about so many little things?
A.to cover his ass.
B. Because he just killed a kid and he was scared shirtless that he was going to be strung up. Which he was anyway.
Sometimes a spade is a spade. Just eat crow and move on, weather he is convicted or not, he was getting the shit beat out of him and he didn't hit himself in the head, and it wasn't some crazy conspiracy. Things went down more or less like he stated
. He's human, he makes mistakes and he gets scared like everyone else. You were wrong and full of shit. Admit it. Be a man.
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the jury isn't made up of getbiggers.
the 6 women on the jury have completely different sets of experience and mindsets, than many people do here.
I suspect that a single 22-year old male who likes lifting weights and hates obama - will have a much different perspective on "the fear trayvon felt trying to escape a man chasing him with a gun" than the 36 year old housewife with 3 kids who hates guns with a passion and believes obama saved us from the bush recession.
So while this tub of lies may be a laughingstock to us, she might be a poor uneducated girl suffering from obesity and other ills of society, who told a widdle fib to protect her friend's mom's feelings. They may see her as credible that trayvon was running to escape.
We all knew what a great job the casey anthony jury did... everyone was SHOCKED at their outcome.
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A.to cover his ass.
B. Because he just killed a kid and he was scared shirtless that he was going to be strung up. Which he was anyway.
Sometimes a spade is a spade. Just eat crow and move on, weather he is convicted or not, he was getting the shit beat out of him and he didn't hit himself in the head, and it wasn't some crazy conspiracy. Things went down more or less like he stated
. He's human, he makes mistakes and he gets scared like everyone else. You were wrong and full of shit. Admit it. Be a man.
ead with his gun, and he wasn't the
trayvon was on top of him, kicking his ass.
BUT
If a man chased me two blocks with a gun, I'm going to punch him until I can take the fcking gun from him, then call 911 and report his ass for chasing me. Yes, I'm taking the gun because I won't let him use it on me.
EVEN without knowledge of a gun=>
If a man chased me two blocks in the rain, and got in my personal space using profanity - you'd better believe I'm backing up as much as possible, then I'm taking him down to the ground. Fuck yes. I'm mounting, punching, pinning, and I'm stoppping him from whatever action was so important he had to call me names while chasing me.
Trayvon perceived zimmerman as a threat. In his shoes, I also woudl have taken down the man once he intercepted me, an dprotected myself. Even it meant mounting and punching his ass.
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This is why no one here can understand you. On one hand you say he didn't break the law, but on the other hand you say he should get 8 years. Why should he get 8 years IF HE DIDN'T BREAK THE LAW?
Do you know that if there is no legal basis for the jury's "punishment", Zimm will have an excellent case for an appeal?
You can't punish Zimm because you don't like the law. You can't make an example out of him because you disagree with the law.
Juries do it all the time - they assign sentences that sure don't fit what happened - because they feel it's "right".
I mean, at the VERY least, zimmerman lied quite a few times in his statement, "exaggerating" to make his self-defense case stronger. He should get some time for that, right? You can't lie to cops about a dead body you just created - they spent a shitload of money studying the physical evidence and now proving what he lied about.
So even though he didn't murder the kid - he did lie about a bunch of shit surrounding the shooting. Jury may look at this, and then decide to punish him.
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. He's human, he makes mistakes and he gets scared like everyone else. You were wrong and full of shit. Admit it. Be a man.
none of us had the details of the case. until now.
we were all right about some things, and wrong about others.
ZImmerman lied about at least 4 items. So I was right when I said he was an exaggerating prick. I thought he had the MMA skills to mount a skinny twink - he didn't, he was a bigger bitch than I thought - and I learned that from today's court. So of course I was wwrong about that. I thought zimmerman pinned the scrawny pothead, as any man should be able to do, and was yelling for help to subdue the handful he had just taken on. I gave him too much credit, and I was mistaken. I still think it's zimmerman's voice on the tape yelling for help. It really does sound like a person scared for his life.
The Q is -> Can a person claim self-defense in FL if they are the one that started the fight, by making the other kid fear for his life?
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none of us had the details of the case. until now.
we were all right about some things, and wrong about others.
ZImmerman lied about at least 4 items. So I was right when I said he was an exaggerating prick. I thought he had the MMA skills to mount a skinny twink - he didn't, he was a bigger bitch than I thought - and I learned that from today's court. So of course I was wwrong about that. I thought zimmerman pinned the scrawny pothead, as any man should be able to do, and was yelling for help
to subdue the handful he had just taken on. I gave him too much credit, and I was mistaken. I still think it's zimmerman's voice on the tape yelling for help. It really does sound like a person scared for his life.
The Q is -> Can a person claim self-defense in FL if they are the one that started the fight, by making the other kid fear for his life?
Lawl... now its that you didn'thave the fact.... for the past several years, you didn't care about the facts, you literally made hundreds of posts swearing up and down that you knew what happened because you knew what kind of person he was (you were wrong on all counts btw).
Whatever broseph, youd think you'd learn to keep your mouth shut, buy I'm sure you don't still fail yo see just how badly you owned yourself.
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240 time to cut bait and let it go
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You’re missing the point that Zimmerman was not doing anything illegal either.
Zimmerman should not testify, because so far there is ZERO evidence that he murdered Martin. Have you been following the trial?
Most people don't have to do anything illegal to go to prison. They simply have to exercise poor judgement which is what Zimmerman did. By his own actions, he put himself in that situation to where he's going to be tried and convicted...whether by a jury or not.
BTW....one thing that's not being reported is that the DOJ is going to charge him with violating his civil rights....One way or another, he's going to prison. If by any chance he's found innocent or there's a hung jury, he'll get scooped up by the Feds immediately for a trial in which he'll be convicted of
Zimmerman isn't going nowhere because no one is going to let him go off killing someone.... ;D
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240 time to cut bait and let it go
you know me. he could be found guilty and i'll argue the verdict. I can argue something that is pro-obama while calling him a kenyan illegal. I knew the Heat would win the title - despite being lazy, underachieving with a terrible coach. And if ZImmerman found guilty - I've said he broke no law, but will be punished by the jury for creating a situation where someone got killed. Not a law on the book, but jurors aren't exactly Supreme Court justices. Need proof?
Did OJ deserve to be sentenced for 33 YEARS for stealing back his sports memorabilia? Goodness no! Shady people robbing other shady people of his own items... BUT the JURY wanted to PUNISH him for the Nicole/Ron murders they believed he got away with. I mean, 33 YEARS for showing someone a gun and taking some football cards back? No way - JURIES PUNISH and I still believe the ZImmerman jury will do that.
And it's a goosip/prediction message board. It's okay to predict and be wrong. NONE of us had any of this info until this week - it's all been sealed while we predict. I"d be a complete ass to tease wiggs for "you predicted the Spurs would win! bwahaha, you are owned" - that'd be silly of me. It's a message board. We predict and make guesses and we're wrong more than right.
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If he walks i am going laugh my fucking head off at you moron lib blacks who are so emotionally wrapped up in this farce of a case. If it were blavk on black or white on white you creeps would not give a shit whatsoever.
Most people don't have to do anything illegal to go to prison. They simply have to exercise poor judgement which is what Zimmerman did. By his own actions, he put himself in that situation to where he's going to be tried and convicted...whether by a jury or not.
BTW....one thing that's not being reported is that the DOJ is going to charge him with violating his civil rights....One way or another, he's going to prison. If by any chance he's found innocent or there's a hung jury, he'll get scooped up by the Feds immediately for a trial in which he'll be convicted of
Zimmerman isn't going nowhere because no one is going to let him go off killing someone.... ;D
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33, Zimmerman gave Bloomberg plenty of ammo to go after stand your ground, on a national level, the minute he leaves office. That sucks. We will see an erosion or stunted growth in gun defense rights over te next ten years thanks to this cowboy.
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33, Zimmerman gave Bloomberg plenty of ammo to go after stand your ground, on a national level, the minute he leaves office. That sucks. We will see an erosion or stunted growth in gun defense rights over te next ten years thanks to this cowboy.
so instead of showing why that law is valid and needs to be defended, you decided to argue that an innocent man needs to be sent to jail....
fucking brilliant!!!!
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33, Zimmerman gave Bloomberg plenty of ammo to go after stand your ground, on a national level, the minute he leaves office. That sucks. We will see an erosion or stunted growth in gun defense rights over te next ten years thanks to this cowboy.
Don't pretend like you give a fuck about people going after gun laws, pretty sure you were arguing on defense of Obama during the last election that even though he talked about wanting to go after firearms, it didn't matter because he hadn't actually enacted any legislation. So until Bloomber actually does something, you're just a hypocrite and a moron of the highest order.
You need to keep your mouth shut so that you can actually troll without sounding like a total idiot.
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Don't pretend like you give a fuck about people going after gun laws, pretty sure you were arguing on defense of Obama during the last election that even though he talked about wanting to go after firearms, it didn't matter because he hadn't actually enacted any legislation. So until Bloomber actually does something, you're just a hypocrite and a moron of the highest order.
You need to keep your mouth shut so that you can actually troll without sounding like a total idiot.
yup you hit the nail on the head on all accounts
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so instead of showing why that law is valid and needs to be defended, you decided to argue that an innocent man needs to be sent to jail....
fucking brilliant!!!!
the author of the stand-your-ground law said it had NOTHING TO DO WITH ZIMMERMAN shooting - and then he changed his mind on using it.
Didn't stop mayor bloomy from using it, however.
Don't pretend like you give a fuck about people going after gun laws, pretty sure you were arguing on defense of Obama during the last election that even though he talked about wanting to go after firearms, it didn't matter because he hadn't actually enacted any legislation. So until Bloomber actually does something, you're just a hypocrite and a moron of the highest order.
You need to keep your mouth shut so that you can actually troll without sounding like a total idiot.
I was right about obama not going after gun rights. We never saw a gun bill. We had a bunch of politicians talking shit about guns to raise money from their base, there was ZERO legislation, and everything is exactly how it was before.
Bloomberg might actually see some results, however, since he's attacking things at the state level - armed with the ammo zimmerman gave him.
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trayvon was on top of him, kicking his ass.
BUT
If a man chased me two blocks with a gun, I'm going to punch him until I can take the fcking gun from him, then call 911 and report his ass for chasing me. Yes, I'm taking the gun because I won't let him use it on me.
EVEN without knowledge of a gun=>
If a man chased me two blocks in the rain, and got in my personal space using profanity - you'd better believe I'm backing up as much as possible, then I'm taking him down to the ground. Fuck yes. I'm mounting, punching, pinning, and I'm stoppping him from whatever action was so important he had to call me names while chasing me.
Trayvon perceived zimmerman as a threat. In his shoes, I also woudl have taken down the man once he intercepted me, an dprotected myself. Even it meant mounting and punching his ass.
You admitted that you and a gang of your trailer park trash comrades stalked strangers while carrying firearms. You are a conniving hypocrite who is now back-tracking harder than I've ever seen in an attempt to save face over the fact that you've been lying through your teeth for 2+ years now on this case.
Asshole.
the author of the stand-your-ground law said it had NOTHING TO DO WITH ZIMMERMAN shooting - and then he changed his mind on using it.
Didn't stop mayor bloomy from using it, however.
I was right about obama not going after gun rights. We never saw a gun bill. We had a bunch of politicians talking shit about guns to raise money from their base, there was ZERO legislation, and everything is exactly how it was before.
Bloomberg might actually see some results, however, since he's attacking things at the state level - armed with the ammo zimmerman gave him.
Haha, no you weren't. Obama and his leftist cohorts tried to shove gun control down our throats and got smacked down by the populace.
You are a fucking retard.
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Most people don't have to do anything illegal to go to prison. They simply have to exercise poor judgement which is what Zimmerman did. By his own actions, he put himself in that situation to where he's going to be tried and convicted...whether by a jury or not.
What are you suggesting tubby? Is that a threat?
BTW....one thing that's not being reported is that the DOJ is going to charge him with violating his civil rights....One way or another, he's going to prison. If by any chance he's found innocent or there's a hung jury, he'll get scooped up by the Feds immediately for a trial in which he'll be convicted of
Are you speaking now as a result of your extensive experience as a litigator or from the inside information from your buddies at the US Attorneys office, with whom you worked together, in the olden days before you started the Caliber Fitness empire and this other new thing where you're selling, what is it, expired nacho cheese and refried beans?
Come on asshole - you know nothing about the case except what you've read and you are not interested in looking at facts. All you see is race. And if that's the case, you are no better than what you are accusing Zimmerman of being: a racist.
Zimmerman isn't going nowhere because no one is going to let him go off killing someone.... ;D
Maybe you'll find him and train him? Surely that's punishment enough for any crime.
In all seriousness, most of us are reasonable and will let the courts sort this out in accordance with the law, and we won't make thinly veiled threats like you have been on this and other topics, or make grand pronouncement a about the intentions of the DOJ and the USA office.
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So...many on the thread have mentioned "innocent until proven guilty". Would the same apply to Martin?
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Zimmerman was probably being a blowhard dickhead, but that doesn't warrant a violent reaction.
A very similar situation happened to me when I was a kid. I was driving through a friend's neighborhood with the friend who lived there (female) and two other friends (male and female).
Some dude started following us in his car, so I drove around a few turns to see if he really was following us. We didn't know what the hell he was doing or why he was following us but he was being a major prick about it (practically trying to run us off the road).
Eventually he cornered us by blocking off the road with his car. He jumped out of his car and came storming over to my car. I'm sure the conversation between us started similar to Zimmerman and Martin's.
He said "what are you doing here?"
I replied "she lives here! Why are you following us?"
We told him what street she lived on and he realized he knew the name and IMMEDIATELY felt like a huge asshole and apologized repeatedly.
Apparently there had been someone driving through the area stealing kid's bikes and he decided to be a Zimmer-hero and capture the perps (we were the lucky car full of teens who happened to catch his eye first).
Moral of the story is...we acted like civilized humans and it ended in a civilized manner.
The guy felt like a shithead (because he was acting like one) and got shit later from his wife and my friend's (the girl who lived there) dad. I'm sure he felt like an ass in front of most of the neighborhood for a while.
Yes it's a hassle you don't deserve...but if you're not doing anything wrong, the proper reaction isn't to start doing something even worse than the other person. If Trayvon would have acted like a civilized person, it would have been figured out that he had a reason for being in the neighborhood and then Zimmerman would have been left to deal with the repercussions of acting like a fuckface...
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So...many on the thread have mentioned "innocent until proven guilty". Would the same apply to Martin?
No doubt - but only when it comes to charges brought against him by the Government. I'm which case, he's innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt by a jury in a Court of Law.
But that isn't binding on individuals; they can consider Zimmerman guilty, and don't have to presume him innocent until proven otherwise. The can do the same for Trayvon. And even Aunt Tilly.
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Zimmerman was probably being a blowhard dickhead, but that doesn't warrant a violent reaction.
A very similar situation happened to me when I was a kid. I was driving through a friend's neighborhood with the friend who lived there (female) and two other friends (male and female).
Some dude started following us in his car, so I drove around a few turns to see if he really was following us. We didn't know what the hell he was doing or why he was following us but he was being a major prick about it (practically trying to run us off the road).
Eventually he cornered us by blocking off the road with his car. He jumped out of his car and came storming over to my car. I'm sure the conversation between us went very similar to Zimmerman and Martin.
He said "what are you doing here?"
I replied "she lives here! Why are you following us?"
We told him what street she lived on and he realized he knew the name and IMMEDIATELY felt like a huge asshole and apologized repeatedly. Apparently there had been someone driving through the area stealing kid's bikes...
Moral of the story is...we acted like civilized humans and it ended in a civilized manner.
The guy felt like a shithead (because he was acting like one) and got shit later from his wife and my friend's (the girl who lived there) dad. I'm sure he felt like an ass in front of most of the neighborhood for a while.
A lot of people in neighborhoods do dumb shit. I was actually sitting on a side road in a neighborhood once, and was on the phone with my Ex-Wife. I was actually 3 houses down from a girl I was picking up to go out with.
This guy comes over to my car and starts talking asking me what I'm doing here. I tell him I'm on the phone with my ex wife and about to pick up someone and I'll be off the phone in a second.
He starts talking something about some creeper dude being in the neighborhood and how he's going to call the cops. I told him to go ahead. I don't care. I'm just sitting in my car. Which as far as I'm aware isn't a crime.
He gets huffy rides off... Straight to the house where I was picking up the girl.
I drive up and the girls brother is talking to the dude and the dude gets all flustered and starts apologizing.
Sure, people do dumb shit, but if you're also not a dumb shit, you can usually get through it.
Shit escalating to a fucking gun fight is goddam ridiculous.
I've been saying this from the start... Zimmerman should have been charged with Manslaughter and is an idiot. Trayvon is unfortunately a dead idiot. Zimmerman should never be allowed to carry a firearm ever again because he's an idiot and he should go to prison for some time.
BUT HE WON'T
Because he was charged with MURDER and not the appropriate crime.
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Zimmerman was probably being a blowhard dickhead, but that doesn't warrant a violent reaction.
A very similar situation happened to me when I was a kid. I was driving through a friend's neighborhood with the friend who lived there (female) and two other friends (male and female).
Some dude started following us in his car, so I drove around a few turns to see if he really was following us. We didn't know what the hell he was doing or why he was following us but he was being a major prick about it (practically trying to run us off the road).
Eventually he cornered us by blocking off the road with his car. He jumped out of his car and came storming over to my car. I'm sure the conversation between us started similar to Zimmerman and Martin's.
He said "what are you doing here?"
I replied "she lives here! Why are you following us?"
We told him what street she lived on and he realized he knew the name and IMMEDIATELY felt like a huge asshole and apologized repeatedly.
Apparently there had been someone driving through the area stealing kid's bikes and he decided to be a Zimmer-hero and capture the perps (we were the lucky car full of teens who happened to catch his eye first).
Moral of the story is...we acted like civilized humans and it ended in a civilized manner.
The guy felt like a shithead (because he was acting like one) and got shit later from his wife and my friend's (the girl who lived there) dad. I'm sure he felt like an ass in front of most of the neighborhood for a while.
Exactly. Exactly this. I talked about this to my black coworker, he said Zimmerman deserved to get his ass beat for asking the kid what he was doing in their neighborhood, and that Zimmerman needs to get killed by some "hardcore brothas" for shooting the kid, he said he should have taken his ass whooping like a man since he started it by wondering what he was doing.
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No doubt - but only when it comes to charges brought against him by the Government. I'm which case, he's innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt by a jury in a Court of Law.
But that isn't binding on individuals; they can consider Zimmerman guilty, and don't have to presume him innocent until proven otherwise. The can do the same for Trayvon. And even Aunt Tilly.
It seems a few people have expressed "outrage" that Zimmerman is even in this position, so maybe one or more of them can go into detail.
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A lot of people in neighborhoods do dumb shit. I was actually sitting on a side road in a neighborhood once, and was on the phone with my Ex-Wife. I was actually 3 houses down from a girl I was picking up to go out with.
This guy comes over to my car and starts talking asking me what I'm doing here. I tell him I'm on the phone with my ex wife and about to pick up someone and I'll be off the phone in a second.
He starts talking something about some creeper dude being in the neighborhood and how he's going to call the cops. I told him to go ahead. I don't care. I'm just sitting in my car. Which as far as I'm aware isn't a crime.
He gets huffy rides off... Straight to the house where I was picking up the girl.
I drive up and the girls brother is talking to the dude and the dude gets all flustered and starts apologizing.
Sure, people do dumb shit, but if you're also not a dumb shit, you can usually get through it.
Shit escalating to a fucking gun fight is goddam ridiculous.
I've been saying this from the start... Zimmerman should have been charged with Manslaughter and is an idiot. Trayvon is unfortunately a dead idiot. Zimmerman should never be allowed to carry a firearm ever again because he's an idiot and he should go to prison for some time.
BUT HE WON'T
Because he was charged with MURDER and not the appropriate crime.
Exactly.
If there were a proper action-reaction to the situation he would be dealing with the repercussions of overstepping his role of neighborhood WATCHman and wasting Trayvon's time....with worst case scenario of some minor police involvement and the neighborhood reminding him of how much of a prick he is.
Trayvon would be alive and ONLY Zimmerman would be dealing with the results
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good call, tu-Holmes.
the charge should have been manslaughter. DA charged murder to force him to plead. He has 6 women on the jury and if he is unlucky, he gets 25 years in prison.
A plead to let the prosecution save face, and zimmerman get 5-8 years in a low security prison (out in 4) could still happen. He's risking a LOT by not pleading. Even if the witnesses are idiots, that 911 call is going to be what the jury hears last - and it's going to wash away memory of his fat illiterate phone buddy. They're going to hear zimmerman calling him names and running with a gun into a showdown where the minor got killed by a wanna-be cop who had trained MMA 3x a week for 18 months.
I still predict zimmerman will be found guilty by that jury. It's not comprised of getbiggers.
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As for John Good, is it wrong to say:
*He did NOT see punching take place.
*He DID see pinning take place.
*He does not know who screamed.
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I'm trying to find something that would be inconsistent with a struggle over a gun. Some of you guys that are aware of the finest details, please help me out.
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good call, tu-Holmes.
the charge should have been manslaughter. DA charged murder to force him to plead. He has 6 women on the jury and if he is unlucky, he gets 25 years in prison.
A plead to let the prosecution save face, and zimmerman get 5-8 years in a low security prison (out in 4) could still happen. He's risking a LOT by not pleading. Even if the witnesses are idiots, that 911 call is going to be what the jury hears last - and it's going to wash away memory of his fat illiterate phone buddy. They're going to hear zimmerman calling him names and running with a gun into a showdown where the minor got killed by a wanna-be cop who had trained MMA 3x a week for 18 months.
I still predict zimmerman will be found guilty by that jury. It's not comprised of getbiggers.
The jury isn't there to decide if Zimmerman initially overstepped his bounds...they're not decided if he was wrong to confront Trayvon.
They're there to decide whether or not he murdered (legal definition of the charge) Trayvon.
He WAS in the wrong. He DID act inappropriately. But he's not being charged with that. The jury knows that, will be reminded of that, and will discuss amongst themselves that fact.
The people who WON'T realize that fact will be the hoards of dipshits who will take Zimmerman's acquittal to mean "he did absolutely nothing wrong whatsoever." That's the big problem with the case as far as public opinion is concerned.
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good call, tu-Holmes.
the charge should have been manslaughter. DA charged murder to force him to plead. He has 6 women on the jury and if he is unlucky, he gets 25 years in prison.
A plead to let the prosecution save face, and zimmerman get 5-8 years in a low security prison (out in 4) could still happen. He's risking a LOT by not pleading. Even if the witnesses are idiots, that 911 call is going to be what the jury hears last - and it's going to wash away memory of his fat illiterate phone buddy. They're going to hear zimmerman calling him names and running with a gun into a showdown where the minor got killed by a wanna-be cop who had trained MMA 3x a week for 18 months.
I still predict zimmerman will be found guilty by that jury. It's not comprised of getbiggers.
We will see, but remember, everyone thought Casey Anthony was going to be found guilty too... Well, except those of us who actually followed it and saw how poor the prosecution was.
This is going down that same road. I don't normally speculate on the outcome of trials, but I'm saying this one goes the way of OJ and Casey.
Not Guilty.
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good call, tu-Holmes.
the charge should have been manslaughter. DA charged murder to force him to plead. He has 6 women on the jury and if he is unlucky, he gets 25 years in prison.
A plead to let the prosecution save face, and zimmerman get 5-8 years in a low security prison (out in 4) could still happen. He's risking a LOT by not pleading. Even if the witnesses are idiots, that 911 call is going to be what the jury hears last - and it's going to wash away memory of his fat illiterate phone buddy. They're going to hear zimmerman calling him names and running with a gun into a showdown where the minor got killed by a wanna-be cop who had trained MMA 3x a week for 18 months.
I still predict zimmerman will be found guilty by that jury. It's not comprised of getbiggers.
Why don't you just get on your knees and beg hin to plead out already... Clearly its you that's holo g to save face, lol. Because if he walks, getbig is never going to let you live it down, not after years of running your mouth only to end up lookibg like a total moron like the rest of the emotional idiots.
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self-defense only extends to those who don't start a fight.
OR
those who start fights then decide they want to exit the fight, then the other person won't let them escape.
MAYBE that's how it was... zimmerman swore and ran with a gun into a fight he thought he'd win, given his MMA training. At some point, the fight didn't go his way, and he decided to exit. IF trayvon woudlnt let him - THEN he could claim self defense. But that's a LOT trickier.
They're saving the 911 call for last. then we learn zimmerman - armed with MMA training - ran with a gun into a situation to demand his bike back.
I still predict a guilty. Maybe I'm wrong. But that jury...
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Why don't you just get on your knees and beg hin to plead out already... Clearly its you that's holo g to save face, lol. Because if he walks, getbig is never going to let you live it down, not after years of running your mouth only to end up lookibg like a total moron like the rest of the emotional idiots.
it's a message board. we predict things. i've been wrong about 10,000 things over the last few years on getbig. I come here to learn have fun and discuss things, not to "win" arguments. We're all just still predcting what a jury will do.
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self-defense only extends to those who don't start a fight.
OR
those who start fights then decide they want to exit the fight, then the other person won't let them escape.
MAYBE that's how it was... zimmerman swore and ran with a gun into a fight he thought he'd win, given his MMA training. At some point, the fight didn't go his way, and he decided to exit. IF trayvon woudlnt let him - THEN he could claim self defense. But that's a LOT trickier.
They're saving the 911 call for last. then we learn zimmerman - armed with MMA training - ran with a gun into a situation to demand his bike back.
I still predict a guilty. Maybe I'm wrong. But that jury...
So let me make sure I understand this.
The prosecution hasn't rested yet and all of their witnesses have helped Zimmerman and NOT the state.
Yet you believe that the 911 call is going to convict him alone... That's it.
A 911 call that you have not heard yourself... You're willing to put it all out there on THAT?
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it's a message board. we predict things. i've been wrong about 10,000 things over the last few years on getbig. I come here to learn have fun and discuss things, not to "win" arguments. We're all just still predcting what a jury will do.
You are incredible Rob
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So let me make sure I understand this.
The prosecution hasn't rested yet and all of their witnesses have helped Zimmerman and NOT the state.
Yet you believe that the 911 call is going to convict him alone... That's it.
A 911 call that you have not heard yourself... You're willing to put it all out there on THAT?
It's all he has left... All his other theories have been destroyed and thats all that's left to keep him from looking like a total fool.
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I'm trying to find something that would be inconsistent with a struggle over a gun. Some of you guys that are aware of the finest details, please help me out.
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Has everything so far been consistent with a struggle over a gun, except Zimmerman's words?
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A 911 call that you have not heard yourself... You're willing to put it all out there on THAT?
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Um, zimmerman's 911 call to the police is something most of us have already heard.
And if you listen to it, or read the transcript, you'll see he was calling trayvon names, admitting he was running away, admitting he was going after him. All while armed.
if I pick up my gun, tell a cop I'm going to go catch the punk a-hole who stole my bike, run into a dark alley, and there's a fight where he gets killed, I'm pretty ready for prison jumpsuits.
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A 911 call that you have not heard yourself... You're willing to put it all out there on THAT?
Have you heard the 911 call yet?
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Have you heard the 911 call yet?
Nope.
Have you HEARD it?
Did you read the transcript? Words with no inflection can easily be taken the wrong way.
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Nope.
Have you HEARD it?
Did you read the transcript? Words with no inflection can easily be taken the wrong way.
Especially when everyone involved stated that they didn't believe he was acting out of malice.
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Um, zimmerman's 911 call to the police is something most of us have already heard.
And if you listen to it, or read the transcript, you'll see he was calling trayvon names, admitting he was running away, admitting he was going after him. All while armed.
if I pick up my gun, tell a cop I'm going to go catch the punk a-hole who stole my bike, run into a dark alley, and there's a fight where he gets killed, I'm pretty ready for prison jumpsuits.
Let's start using some 240-ish leaps of logic.
Young in shape black man running away from fat, out of shape Mexican. Yep, makes total sense 240, clearly the fat Mexican ran him down in order to start a conflict. Makes perfect sense.
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240 has way too much emotionally invested in this case to see the reality for what it is.
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Let's start using some 240-ish leaps of logic.
Young in shape black man running away from fat, out of shape Mexican. Yep, makes total sense 240, clearly the fat Mexican ran him down in order to start a conflict. Makes perfect sense.
But bro...Zimmerman had 18 months of MMA training!!!
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Um, zimmerman's 911 call to the police is something most of us have already heard.
And if you listen to it, or read the transcript, you'll see he was calling trayvon names, admitting he was running away, admitting he was going after him. All while armed.
if I pick up my gun, tell a cop I'm going to go catch the punk a-hole who stole my bike, run into a dark alley, and there's a fight where he gets killed, I'm pretty ready for prison jumpsuits.
Trayvon was calling Zimmerman names too. I agree with you that Zimmerman made horrible decisions but I think your take on this case is extremely one sided. I don't believe that Zimmerman was as aggressive or Martin as frightened as you're trying to make them out to be.
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If Zimmerman felt it was right, justified, important, and necessary for Martin to be questioned, what would stop him from using possession of the gun to accomplish that?
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If Zimmerman felt it was right, justified, important, and necessary for Martin to be questioned, what would stop him from using possession of the gun to accomplish that?
Evidently you haven't figured out that no one is paying attention to your sad attempts to justify your massive leaps of logic that have zero evidence to support them.
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If Zimmerman felt it was right, justified, important, and necessary for Martin to be questioned, what would stop him from using possession of the gun to accomplish that?
Evidently you haven't figured out that no one is paying attention to your sad attempts to justify your massive leaps of logic that have zero evidence to support them.
ASSumptions, ASSumptions, ASSumptions....its all he has shock
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It's a fair question, so...
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...any takers?
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...any takers?
Nope.
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If Zimmerman felt it was right, justified, important, and necessary for Martin to be questioned, what would stop him from using possession of the gun to accomplish that?
From the testimony it was Martin who spoke first. Its only speculation to assume Zimmerman wanted to question him.
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What would stop him from trying to accomplish something he felt was right, and justified, and necessary, and that he'd already been taking steps to accomplish?
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From the testimony it was Martin who spoke first. Its only speculation to assume Zimmerman wanted to question him.
Don't take the troll bait.
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What would stop him from trying to accomplish something he felt was right, and justified, and necessary, and that he'd already been taking steps to accomplish?
He didn't brandish the weapon so he wasn't using the gun as a means to intimidate or question Martin. Would he have? Well thats a question that will never be answered.
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From the testimony it was Martin who spoke first. Its only speculation to assume Zimmerman wanted to question him.
Are you saying it's speculation that Zimmerman wanted to have Martin questioned, Archer?
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Are you saying it's speculation that Zimmerman wanted to have Martin questioned, Archer?
I think its speculation to assume Zimmerman was going to confront Martin with a gun and get him to talk.
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I think its speculation to assume Zimmerman was going to confront Martin with a gun and get him to talk.
That's not what I asked, Archer.
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Are you saying it's speculation that Zimmerman wanted to have Martin questioned, Archer?
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I think its speculation to assume Zimmerman was going to confront Martin with a gun and get him to talk.
you took the bait bra. Disengage and exfil now, while you still can.
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Zimmer wanted the police on scene and the police would have asked Martin a few questions in an informal interview. This fact in no way means that he wanted to question Martin himself. As a matter of fact, Zimmerman involving the police and not drawing his weapon is a stronger argument for Zimmerman not wanting to question Martin himself.
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Zimmer wanted the police on scene and the police would have asked Martin a few questions in an informal interview. This fact in no way means that he wanted to question Martin himself. As a matter of fact, Zimmerman involving the police and not drawing his weapon is a stronger argument for Zimmerman not wanting to question Martin himself.
Who said this? Please look carefully at what you're trying to stand against.
I'm asking you whether it is mere speculation that Zimmerman wanted to have Martin questioned.
Come on, Archer. I know you aren't this dumb.
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lol
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If Zimmerman felt it was right, justified, important, and necessary for Martin to be questioned, what would stop him from using possession of the gun to accomplish that?
I already answered but apparently you didn't read it. This is your leap in logic and foray into speculation that I was answering. You think that because he wanted to have Martin questioned, this means that he also intended to use hs gun to question martin himself. The logic does not follow, my friend.
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I already answered but apparently you didn't read it. This is your leap in logic and foray into speculation that I was answering. You think that because he wanted to have Martin questioned, this means that he also intended to use hs gun to question martin himself. The logic does not follow, my friend.
No, actually you, yourself made a 'leap' to assume the argument was that Zimmerman himself had an intention to question Martin. No one said that but you.
SO...you acknowledge that Zimmerman felt it was necessary to have Martin questioned, and that he had already taken steps toward that objective. Are we on the same page, so far?
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If Zimmerman felt it was right, justified, important, and necessary for Martin to be questioned, what would stop him from using possession of the gun to accomplish that?
Here you are speculating. You are speculating that because Zimmerman wanted Martin to be question he would use his gun to accomplish this.
And I said in response, the evidence indicates that by involving the police Zimmerman did not intend to question Martin himself.
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No, actually you, yourself made a 'leap' to assume the argument was that Zimmerman himself had an intention to question Martin. No one said that but you.
SO...you acknowledge that Zimmerman felt it was necessary to have Martin questioned, and that he had already taken steps toward that objective. Are we on the same page, so far?
Eyewitness said tray on was on top beating zimm down
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Here you are speculating. You are speculating that because Zimmerman wanted Martin to be question he would use his gun to accomplish this.
And I said in response, the evidence indicates that by involving the police Zimmerman did not intend to question Martin himself.
Archer, I'm guessing that you're too trashed to read tonight.
Let me know when you sober up.
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Eyewitness said tray on was on top beating zimm down
Name?
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Name?
John Good. He testified a couple of days ago.
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LMFAO what a tard
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If Zimmerman felt it was right, justified, important, and necessary for Martin to be questioned, what would stop him from using possession of the gun to accomplish that?
This says it all. This is the train of logic you're attempting to lay out.
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This says it all. This is the train of logic you're attempting to lay out.
yup whats funny is he tries to deny it and keep playing his ignorant game
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Here you are speculating. You are speculating that because Zimmerman wanted Martin to be question he would use his gun to accomplish this.
And I said in response, the evidence indicates that by involving the police Zimmerman did not intend to question Martin himself.
I told you not to engage him. Dude is a fucking moron.
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As for John Good, is it wrong to say:
*He did NOT see punching take place.
*He DID see pinning take place.
*He does not know who screamed.
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LOL dude your so biased and emotionally invested in this its disturbing.
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yup whats funny is he tries to deny it and keep playing his ignorant game
He thinks that if I admit that Zimmerman wanted Martin question it somehow proves his point that Zimmerman would have gone to any lengths to have Martin questioned, including pulling out his own gun and forcing Martin to talk. The logic just doesnt follow
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This says it all. This is the train of logic you're attempting to lay out.
What's your answer to the question, Archer?
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He saw Martin on top.
He said it was probably Zimmerman screaming.
He saw them fighting.
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He thinks that if I admit that Zimmerman wanted Martin question...
How would you know, if you don't answer the question?
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How would you know, if you don't answer the question?
he already did you numb nut fuck!!!
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LOL dude your so biased and emotionally invested in this its disturbing.
Yet you're the one calling names. ???
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What's your answer to the question, Archer?
I already told you. By calling the police, Zimmerman wanted the police to be on scene to talk to Martin. Ive answered multiple times. Technically they wouldn't have actually questioned him because it would not have been a formal interview.
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Yet you're the one calling names. ???
its ok for trayvon to call ppl names but not me?
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He saw Martin on top.
He said it was probably Zimmerman screaming.
He saw them fighting.
Yup.
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Bros,
*I'm looking for a reason that Zimmerman would choose NOT to use possession of his gun to accomplish what he believed to be right, justified, and necessary (There are extremely compelling reasons why he WOULD do this, so tell me why he WOULDN'T do this)
AND
*I'm looking for something that is NOT consistent with a struggle over a gun.
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Bros,
*I'm looking for a reason that Zimmerman would choose NOT to use possession of his gun to accomplish what he believed to be right, justified and necessary (There are extremely compelling reasons why he WOULD do this, so tell me why he WOULDN'T do this)
*I'm looking for something that is NOT consistent with a struggle over a gun.
The simple fact that he didn't is your answer. At this point, whether he would have is speculative and irrelevant to his innocence or guilt.
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Bros,
*I'm looking for a reason that Zimmerman would choose NOT to use possession of his gun to accomplish what he believed to be right, justified, and necessary (There are extremely compelling reasons why he WOULD do this, so tell me why he WOULDN'T do this)
AND
*I'm looking for something that is NOT consistent with a struggle over a gun.
so in your mind he is guilty until proven innocent?
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Come on. If you can't answer, say that.
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Come on. If you can't answer, say that.
Ive answered. You just dont like the answer.
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Ive answered. You just dont like the answer.
No, Archer. From what it looks like, you didn't even read the question.
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Doing a little drinking tonight, sir?
;D
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so in your mind he is guilty until proven innocent?
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No, Archer. From what it looks like, you didn't even read the question.
That is where you are wrong. I read the question. Whatever reason Zimmerman had to not use his gun to question Martin is something only Zimmerman knows. But its obvious he had a reason because he didn't use his gun to confront or question Martin.
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That is where you are wrong. I read the question. Whatever reason Zimmerman had to not use his gun to question Martin is something only Zimmerman knows. But its obvious he had a reason because he didn't use his gun to confront or question Martin.
So you believe this, without being able to conceive of the reason he would do so?
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so in your mind he is guilty until proven innocent?
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So you believe this, without being able to conceive of the reason he would do so?
I dont believe this, the facts show this to be true.
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so in your mind he is guilty until proven innocent?
Is Martin, to you?
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I dont believe this, the facts show this to be true.
Please explain (or rephrase). Not sure what you mean.
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Is Martin, to you?
absolutely not, seeing as he is not on trial your question makes not sense but thats par for the course for you..
so in your mind zimmerman is guilty until proven innocent?
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I explained myself. Youre not getting the response you want.
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Please explain (or rephrase). Not sure what you mean.
lets see the fact that there is no proof what so ever to support your ignorant ASSumption...
the fact the one eye witness didnt see a gun present, while he saw trayvon on top making downward motions at zimmerman...
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I explained myself. Youre not getting the response you want.
You say the facts "show to be true" that Zimmerman didn't use the advantage of being armed. Please explain.
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You say the facts "show to be true" that Zimmerman didn't use the advantage of being armed. Please explain.
lets see the fact that there is no proof what so ever to support your ignorant ASSumption...
the fact the one eye witness didnt see a gun present, while he saw trayvon on top making downward motions at zimmerman...
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lets see the fact that there is no proof what so ever to support your ignorant ASSumption...
the fact the one eye witness didnt see a gun present, while he saw trayvon on top making downward motions at zimmerman...
Where do you suppose a gun may be, if there was a close-contact fight over it?
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You say the facts "show to be true" that Zimmerman didn't use the advantage of being armed. Please explain.
I cant tell if you're the dumbest motherf*cker on this board, or if you're just a troll.
Either way, your arguments are moronic at best and not worth the time it takes to actually write a coherent response.
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I cant tell if you're the dumbest motherf*cker on this board, or if you're just a troll.
Either way, your arguments are moronic at best and not worth the time it takes to actually write a coherent response.
Ahhh..so that's why you won't argue. Thanks for letting me know.
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Where do you suppose a gun may be, if there was a close-contact fight over it?
well if by your logic zimmerman was using it prior to the physical contact in his hand
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Come on, bros. Put your anger aside, and state your case.
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well if by your logic zimmerman was using it prior to the physical contact in his hand
Why would this necessarily be true, Tony?
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Come on, bros. Put your anger aside, and state your case.
the case is zimmerman is innocent until proven guilty, its up to your dumb ass to provide evidence as to his guilt
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Why would this necessarily be true, Tony?
where else would it be if he was using it to hold trayvon in place?
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You say the facts "show to be true" that Zimmerman didn't use the advantage of being armed. Please explain.
You're drifting away from your original statement/question/ You were asking what was stopping Zimmerman from using his weapon to question Martin. You're argument was that since Zimmerman wanted Martin questioned so badly that he would have done it himself using his weapon.
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where else would it be if he was using it to hold trayvon in place?
We don't know specifically how he would have chosen to use it to his advantage, do we?
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Why would this necessarily be true, Tony?
You were arguing this and youre back tracking on it.
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We don't know specifically how he would have chosen to use it to his advantage, do we?
so youre arguing that he used his gun by not using his gun?
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We don't know specifically how he would have chosen to use it to his advantage, do we?
What we can say is that he didn't use it to his advantage. As Ive said before, what he would have done if the situation were different is irrelevant. You were arguing that because he wanted to question Martin, what was stopping him from using his gun to do it.
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You're drifting away from your original statement/question/ You were asking what was stopping Zimmerman from using his weapon to question Martin. You're argument was that since Zimmerman wanted Martin questioned so badly that he would have done it himself using his weapon.
Archer, you're a good guy, and you don't melt, so let me carefully explain this to you.
No. The idea is not that Zimmerman "wanted Martin questioned so badly that he would have done it himself using his weapon." Again: No. The argument is that Zimmerman would have used his advantage of being armed in order to cause Martin to stick around for the arrival of the police.
So...
We know Zimmerman had been taking steps toward accomplishing what is a VERY, VERY, VERY IMPORTANT objective in his mind . The question is WHY would he choose NOT to use every advantage to fulfill the objective. Can you conceive of ANYTHING that would fit this, Archer?
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the case is zimmerman is innocent until proven guilty, its up to your dumb ass to provide evidence as to his guilt
No it's not up to him. It's up to the prosecution. If someone on a forum wants to consider Zimmerman guilty, he is entitled to do just that and he doesn't need to justify himself to you or provide any evidence in support of his position.
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No it's not up to him. It's up to the prosecution. If someone on a forum wants to consider Zimmerman guilty, he is entitled to do just that and he doesn't need to justify himself to you or provide any evidence in support of his position.
thank you getbig police ;)
thats fine as long as he realizes that his opinion isnt based on facts and is using big ASSumptions.
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Archer, you're a good guy, and you don't melt, so let me carefully explain this to you.
No. The idea is not that Zimmerman "wanted Martin questioned so badly that he would have done it himself using his weapon." Again: No. The argument is that Zimmerman would have used his advantage of being armed in order to cause Martin to stick around for the arrival of the police.
So...
We know Zimmerman had been taking steps toward accomplishing what is a VERY, VERY, VERY IMPORTANT objective in his mind . The question is WHY would he choose NOT to use every advantage to fulfill the objective. Can you conceive of ANYTHING that would fit this, Archer?
As I've said before, the fact that Zimmerman involved the police indicates he intended to hand the situation over to the authorities. He also didn't draw his weapon at any point before the scuffle which shows he didn't feel a threat or planned on using his weapon as a form of intimidation. If he had, he would have drawn his weapon before he did.
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Guys, come the fuck on.
PLEASE READ AND UNDERSTAND: The argument is NOT whether he had the gun out and in his hand, or if he had his hand on the grip, or if he had his thumb on the snap, or if he had anything in between. The argument is that he would use the advantage of being armed to accomplish what was a very important objective. He had the means, so what would stop him? I want someone to dream up some reason why he would NOT use every single advantage.
If you can't come up with a reason, just say so.
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No it's not up to him. It's up to the prosecution. If someone on a forum wants to consider Zimmerman guilty, he is entitled to do just that and he doesn't need to justify himself to you or provide any evidence in support of his position.
And we are entitled to critique his argument. Jack was asking Tony for an answer to a question but chose not to answer a question himself.
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As I've said before, the fact that Zimmerman involved the police indicates he intended to hand the situation over to the authorities.
For the love of God, Archer. YES HE WANTED THE AUTHORITIES TO BE THERE. That's the point.
He also didn't draw his weapon at any point before the scuffle which shows he didn't feel a threat or planned on using his weapon as a form of intimidation. If he had, he would have drawn his weapon before he did.
Archer, what would be the consequences of holding someone at gunpoint without good reason?
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Guys, come the fuck on.
PLEASE READ AND UNDERSTAND: The argument is NOT whether he had the gun out and in his hand, or if he had his hand on the grip, or if he had his thumb on the snap, or if he had anything in between. The argument is that he would use the advantage of being armed to accomplish what was a very important objective. He had the means, so what would stop him? I want someone to dream up some reason why he would NOT use every single advantage.
If you can't come up with a reason, just say so.
Again, he did not use the advantage because he didn't think he had to. He did not perceive the threat level to be sufficient enough to draw his weapon.
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Archer, what would be the consequences of holding someone at gunpoint without good reason?
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lol..I love you guys, but damn!
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Archer, what would be the consequences of holding someone at gunpoint without good reason?
How can you say that is what was going to happen?
Lots of people carry guns all day and don't draw them while conducting their private citizen duties... Security Guards (Armed Guards) are not polie and can carry a gun. They can not "hold someone at gun point" and they talk to people ALL day long.
You can't say he was going to hold him at gun point because unfortunately Mr. Martin did not ever stop to talk to Mr. Zimmerman.
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How can you say that is what was going to happen?
Lots of people carry guns all day and don't draw them while conducting their private citizen duties... Security Guards (Armed Guards) are not polie and can carry a gun. They can not "hold someone at gun point" and they talk to people ALL day long.
You can't say he was going to hold him at gun point because unfortunately Mr. Martin did not ever stop to talk to Mr. Zimmerman.
Tu, go back and read. You're out in left field.
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Tu, go back and read. You're out in left field.
he is right on the head of the nail there brainchild
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Archer, what would be the consequences of holding someone at gunpoint without good reason?
Irrelevant. What matters is that Zimmerman did not feel the situation warranted drawing his weapon. Zimmerman did not feel the threat level justify it. He demonstrated restraint. Its as simple as that.
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I should know better than to argue this on a Saturday night, when everyone but me is smashed drunk.
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Fellas, Zimmerman would NOT hold Martin at gunpoint, because without an extremely good reason, he would have lost his permit and he would have suffered other consequences. That's the point.
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I should know better than to argue this on a Saturday night, when everyone but me is smashed drunk.
Youre not getting the answer you want. Youre trying to set up a scenario to support your argument. Anything else is unacceptable.
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I should know better than to argue this on a Saturday night, when everyone but me is smashed drunk.
Lol. God everyone is stupid but me!" Usually that's a good indicator that's its time to look in the mirror.
But you already know that, don't you troll? I feel serious 240 trolling vibes... And 240 has been absent for a bit.... Hmmm..:
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Fellas, Zimmerman would NOT hold Martin at gunpoint, because without an extremely good reason, he would have lost his permit and he would have suffered other consequences. That's the point.
And why did he think his permit might be lost? Because in his mind the situation didn't warrant drawing his weapon and that was my point.
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Irrelevant. What matters is that Zimmerman did not feel the situation warranted drawing his weapon. Zimmerman did not feel the threat level justify it. He demonstrated restraint. Its as simple as that.
Archer, he would have lost his permit and he would have suffered other consequences including a potential lawsuit by Martin.
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So we have a situation where he wants to have Martin questioned, but he knows he will pay dearly if he tries to hold Martin at safe gunpoint.
Who will say otherwise?
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LOL goodness youre an idiot
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Archer, he would have lost his permit and he would have suffered other consequences including a potential lawsuit by Martin.
You actually think he was considering a potential lawsuit? The simpler answer is that he didn't want to deal with the police questioning him on why he drew his weapon without cause.
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You actually think he was considering a potential lawsuit? The simpler answer is that he didn't want to deal with the police questioning him on why he drew his weapon without cause.
He would have ended up kissing the ground until the situation was secured, and he would have suffered many negative consequences from doing it, including the loss of his permit. Absolutely. That's the point.
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Hahah..Tony, you crack me up. For a guy that accuses others of being "emotionally wrapped up" in this, you sure melt a lot.
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He would have ended up kissing the ground until the situation was secured, and he would have suffered many negative consequences from doing it, including the loss of his permit. Absolutely. That's the point.
so you think b/c of that he shot trayvon to justify his self defense statement?
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Hahah..Tony, you crack me up. For a guy that accuses others of being "emotionally wrapped up" in this, you sure melt a lot.
hahah Ive said multiple times that if their is other evidence then to present it, I dont think calling someone who is indeed a moron a moron is melting...
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so you think b/c of that he shot trayvon to justify his self defense statement?
Not sure if I follow.
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So we have a situation where he wants to have Martin questioned, but he knows he will pay dearly if he tries to hold Martin at safe gunpoint.
Who will say otherwise?
So what the hell is your point then?
That's EVERY SINGLE PERSON ON EARTH who has a CCW.
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So what the hell is your point then?
That's EVERY SINGLE PERSON ON EARTH who has a CCW.
What's "EVERY SINGLE PERSON ON EARTH who has a CCW"?
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What's "EVERY SINGLE PERSON ON EARTH who has a CCW"?
If you don't know what that means, then you have no business even worrying about the gun.
YOU ARE OWNED.
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If you don't know what that means, then you have no business even worrying about the gun.
YOU ARE OWNED.
Tu, I have absolutely no idea what you're trying to say.
Is it possible for you to explain yourself, or is that out of the question?
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hahhah what a fucking tard
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Tu, I have absolutely no idea what you're trying to say.
Is it possible for you to explain yourself, or is that out of the question?
The fact you don't understand what I said means you know NOTHING about guns in the first place.
Every person who has a CCW (Carrying a Concealed Weapon) permit could hold someone at gunpoint and have to worry about their permit being revoked if they use it to hold a person against their will if they have no done something illegal.
Nothing you are saying makes any sense to be honest.
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I don't know how you're trying to link this with the particular situation at hand, Tu. Can you explain?
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Every person who has a CCW (Carrying a Concealed Weapon) permit could hold someone at gunpoint and have to worry about their permit being revoked if they use it to hold a person against their will if they have no done something illegal.
Tu, please clean your glasses and look back at the thread to see THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING.
Holy fucking shit - is there something in the water?
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Hahaha..damn! lol
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Never a dull moment :o
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You need to follow your own statements.
So we have a situation where he wants to have Martin questioned, but he knows he will pay dearly if he tries to hold Martin at safe gunpoint.
Who will say otherwise?
So what the hell is your point then?
That's EVERY SINGLE PERSON ON EARTH who has a CCW.
Anyone can question anyone. It's not illegal to ask a question.
You have ZERO proof that he pulled his gun before he was fighting... as a matter of fact you agree that he doesn't want to lose his permit, so he doesn't just pull his gun.
So what are you trying to ask?
Every person on earth can ask a question... It's not illegal to do so.
You have no proof he pulled his gun before being attacked.
Look... Zimmerman is a jackass and a fool and should have been charged with Manslaughter.
That's what SHOULD have happened.
But none of this has anything to do with asking anyone a question. It's not illegal.
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Tu, please clean your glasses and look back at the thread to see THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING.
Holy fucking shit - is there something in the water?
Newsflash - its not everyone else. It's you. You are the problem, either you can't communicate worth a shit or you're just fucking dumb.
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I'll admit to having absolutely no idea of what you're saying, Tu.
But what causes you to believe this:
"Look... Zimmerman is a jackass and a fool and should have been charged with Manslaughter."
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Newsflash - its not everyone else. It's you. You are the problem, either you can't communicate worth a shit or you're just fucking dumb.
Settle down, Cockslave.
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;D
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I'll admit to having absolutely no idea of what you're saying, Tu.
But what causes you to believe this:
"Look... Zimmerman is a jackass and a fool and should have been charged with Manslaughter."
Because the definition of Murder doesn't fit the crime, but the definition of Manslaughter does.
Very simple.
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Settle down, Cockslave.
It's not that serious, Jack T(rayvons) Cock
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It's not that serious, Jack T(rayvons) Cock
::) ;D
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Is Jack, Tbombz?
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BTW, Tony, do you believe Jeantel's testimony?
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BTW, Tony, do you believe Jeantel's testimony?
Well, you have a letter than she claims she wrote that she can't read... So she lied about writing it.
So you tell me if you find her credible after that.
I do not.
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Well, you have a letter than she claims she wrote that she can't read... So she lied about writing it.
So you tell me if you find her credible after that.
I do not.
How about the 'cracker' comment?
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How about the 'cracker' comment?
what about it?
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What are your comments on her testimony, Tony?
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Because the definition of Murder doesn't fit the crime, but the definition of Manslaughter does.
Very simple.
Tu, I'm about to call it a day. But if you could give a bit of further detail on this, I'd appreciate it, and will look for it next time around.
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I'll see you emotional ladies soon.
;D ;D ;D
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What are your comments on her testimony, Tony?
I dont think she is particularly credible, she is obviously biased.
Her version of the events have changed multiple times etc.
She says that cracker isnt a racist term........
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it's just like a lot of things on getbig. everyone celebrates at halftime. Remmeber how bad obama was losing in polls after that dismal 1st debate performance?
Remember when obamacare was officially dead? We all get predictions wrong, of course. it's the nature of predicting. If anyone here could get things right just 51% of the time, they'd be millionaires on wall street in a week :)
I still predict that everyone is celebrating a little early. That 911 tape - along with the compelling, emotional speech by the kevin costner-voiced handsom prosecutor, just might get the 6 swooning female jurors to realize 1) zimmerman probably started shit, 2) ZImmerman can't use self-defense for a fight he started
And they might find him guilty. I still think they will. NO matter what fatass said on the phone, no matter what anyone said - they'll realize zimmerman was chasing, and trayvon was running.
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trayvon stopped running and confronted zimmerman 240...havent you been paying attention?
I agree zimmermans dumb ass is still a long way from being free though
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it's just like a lot of things on getbig. everyone celebrates at halftime. Remmeber how bad obama was losing in polls after that dismal 1st debate performance?
Remember when obamacare was officially dead? We all get predictions wrong, of course. it's the nature of predicting. If anyone here could get things right just 51% of the time, they'd be millionaires on wall street in a week :)
I still predict that everyone is celebrating a little early. That 911 tape - along with the compelling, emotional speech by the kevin costner-voiced handsom prosecutor, just might get the 6 swooning female jurors to realize 1) zimmerman probably started shit, 2) ZImmerman can't use self-defense for a fight he started
And they might find him guilty. I still think they will. NO matter what fatass said on the phone, no matter what anyone said - they'll realize zimmerman was chasing, and trayvon was running.
No one is celebrating yet, were just pointing how dumb those statements you made ( many of which you tried to pass off as facts) sound now that the facts are starting to come out. Zimmerman may still fry, but whatever happens to him, you still look like an idiot.
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No one is celebrating yet, were just pointing how dumb those statements you made ( many of which you tried to pass off as facts) sound now that the facts are starting to come out. Zimmerman may still fry, but whatever happens to him, you still look like an idiot.
listen, dude, for the 99999th time.... please stop taking my predictions, guesses, beliefs as "PASSING OFF AS FACTS". We SPECULATE on getbig. That's it. Both the prosecution and defense put out some info, both held info, both told lies, and had 'accidental mis-statements'.
We all listened to zimm's 911 call. We all made predictions what would happen in this case, and what we THINK happened. I guess when someone says "Oh, zimmermas was totally pissed" or "Oh, trayvon totally started it", we don't always preface it with "It is my personal belief based upon speculation that..."
But that's what it is. We all predict Miami will outlast spurs or Spurs will defeat Heat. We do this without "facts". Wiggs can say "Your Heat suck, they're going to lose tonight!" I don't take it "as fact". Dude's just guessing, just like me. that's all we're doing. I don't know anything about this case "As fact". I have my predctions, that it.
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listen, dude, for the 99999th time.... please stop taking my predictions, guesses, beliefs as "PASSING OFF AS FACTS". We SPECULATE on getbig. That's it. Both the prosecution and defense put out some info, both held info, both told lies, and had 'accidental mis-statements'.
We all listened to zimm's 911 call. We all made predictions what would happen in this case, and what we THINK happened. I guess when someone says "Oh, zimmermas was totally pissed" or "Oh, trayvon totally started it", we don't always preface it with "It is my personal belief based upon speculation that..."
But that's what it is. We all predict Miami will outlast spurs or Spurs will defeat Heat. We do this without "facts". Wiggs can say "Your Heat suck, they're going to lose tonight!" I don't take it "as fact". Dude's just guessing, just like me. that's all we're doing. I don't know anything about this case "As fact". I have my predctions, that it.
lol fuck off moron, you tried to pass off your bull shit as facts at every turn
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now that your bull shit is being laid to bed youre back tracking
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I'll see you emotional ladies soon.
;D ;D ;D
Tbombz?
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Those that say Zimmerman should have been charged with Manslaughter instead of Murder-in-the-2nd, are saying that he did not reveal a lack of moral regard for life as he created the situation. Is that a fair statement?
By the way, I'm here to learn, just like everyone else. Guys that go into nuclear meltdown while being unable to argue (hi, Shockwave), please show some respect for the discussion.
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lol..240 should write a book on owning minds.
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Those that say Zimmerman should have been charged with Manslaughter instead of Murder-in-the-2nd, are saying that he did not reveal a lack of moral regard for life as he created the situation. Is that a fair statement?
By the way, I'm here to learn, just like everyone else. Guys that go into nuclear meltdown while being unable to argue (hi, Shockwave), please show some respect for the discussion.
you dont want a discussion, you hop from one ignorant biased opinion to the next never answering any questions just posing ones of your own and then complaining when others dont give you the answer you want
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Those that say Zimmerman should have been charged with Manslaughter instead of Murder-in-the-2nd, are saying that he did not reveal a lack of moral regard for life as he created the situation. Is that a fair statement?
What about the encounter shows a lack of moral regard for life?
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you dont want a discussion, you hop from one ignorant biased opinion to the next never answering any questions just posing ones of your own and then complaining when others dont give you the answer you want
I want an answer, period. Preferably one that tells me the person has actually read the question.
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Zimm said tray on attacked him first physically. Explains how he got the broken nose and ended up on the bottom.
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I want an answer, period. Preferably one that tells me the person has actually read the question.
I told you multiple times that Zimmerman did not use his weapon because he felt the situation did not warranted it and he didnt want the hassle of explaining why he drew his gun without cause. This is a valid answer but you refused to accept it. Then you tell us the answer you were looking for is essentially the same as my reply except in your scenario Zimmerman was afraid of a potential lawsuit. Again, are you tbombz?
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What about the encounter shows a lack of moral regard for life?
That's what I'd like to get into further. Once again, I'm trying to learn...so no trouble here between us, at all.
Would you say that Zimmerman, by allowing himself to physically travel toward a situation that he had good reason to believe may result in conflict, and doing do while armed, showed a lack of proper moral regard for the lives of anyone that may be subjected to danger?
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That's what I'd like to get into further. Once again, I'm trying to learn...so no trouble here between us, at all.
Would you say that Zimmerman, by allowing himself to physically travel toward a situation that he had good reason to believe may result in conflict, and doing do while armed, showed a lack of proper moral regard for the lives of anyone that may be subjected to danger?
The fact that he choose to pursue is greater evidence for Zimmerman not believing the situation would result in violence.
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Zimm said tray on attacked him first physically. Explains how he got the broken nose and ended up on the bottom.
zimm said a lot of things that day - which turned out to be not true, remember?
physical evidence, 911 call, his testimony inconsistencies... well, maybe we should be using a little more than "Ol george told us, standing over the dead body, that the other guy started it".
I mean, seriously 33, if Trayvon was chasing zimmerman thru the rainy night with a 9mm... and they fought... and zimm got the upper hand, and trayvon capped him, I think trayvon would be the LEAST CREDIBLE person to ask who started that fight ;) I guess I don't understand how so many people can realize there are NO WITNESSES as to who started the fight - except zimmerman - and just call it a fact. it's not. It's his claim to keep his ass outta prison.
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Would you say that Zimmerman, by allowing himself to physically travel toward a situation that he had good reason to believe may result in conflict, and doing do while armed, showed a lack of proper moral regard for the lives of anyone that may be subjected to danger?
zimmerman said to the 911 operator that he thought trayvon was on drugs. Then he said trayvon was reaching into his waistband for something - possibly implying a weapon was in play. These things sure got the 911 operator to send police faster. I mean, the truth was that he was a skinnytwink kid on the phone, waiting out the rain under a community awning.
BUT
If zimmerman really believed he was facing a person on drugs - possibly with "something in his waistband" - why in the world would he jump outta his truck with a 9mm and CHASE AFTER HIM? I mean, in what world do you see a possibly armed junkie, and you can't wait 60 seconds for police to get there - you have to confront the person? WTF is that? WHO DOES THAT?
So either he wanted an armed showdown with a junkie, or he was exaggerating more shit to the 911 operator.
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BTW, would a nose that looked like Zimmerman's be consistent with the full pressure of a knee on his face?
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zimm said a lot of things that day - which turned out to be not true, remember?
physical evidence, 911 call, his testimony inconsistencies... well, maybe we should be using a little more than "Ol george told us, standing over the dead body, that the other guy started it".
I mean, seriously 33, if Trayvon was chasing zimmerman thru the rainy night with a 9mm... and they fought... and zimm got the upper hand, and trayvon capped him, I think trayvon would be the LEAST CREDIBLE person to ask who started that fight ;) I guess I don't understand how so many people can realize there are NO WITNESSES as to who started the fight - except zimmerman - and just call it a fact. it's not. It's his claim to keep his ass outta prison.
You're scenario is less likely for several reasons. Where's the evidence Zimmerman was chasing Martin and Martin was running? A witness saw Martin on top and it was Zimmerman screaming for help. This leads me to believe Martin was unaware Zimmerman had a gun until after the scuffle began.
Do you think Martin would have engage in a scuffle with an armed man, especially as frightened as you claim he was? If Zimmerman had no qualms about shooting Martin why did he wait until the scuffle began? What this tells us is that the distance between the two was small and Zimmerman didnt have his gun out.
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Nonsense. The police video taken the next day is exactly what the witness said.
zimm said a lot of things that day - which turned out to be not true, remember?
physical evidence, 911 call, his testimony inconsistencies... well, maybe we should be using a little more than "Ol george told us, standing over the dead body, that the other guy started it".
I mean, seriously 33, if Trayvon was chasing zimmerman thru the rainy night with a 9mm... and they fought... and zimm got the upper hand, and trayvon capped him, I think trayvon would be the LEAST CREDIBLE person to ask who started that fight ;) I guess I don't understand how so many people can realize there are NO WITNESSES as to who started the fight - except zimmerman - and just call it a fact. it's not. It's his claim to keep his ass outta prison.
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You're scenario is less likely for several reasons. Where's the evidence Zimmerman was chasing Martin and Martin was running? A witness saw Martin on top and it was Zimmerman screaming for help. This leads me to believe Martin was unaware Zimmerman had a gun until after the scuffle began.
Do you think Martin would have engage in a scuffle with an armed man, especially as frightened as you claim he was? If Zimmerman had no qualms about shooting Martin why did he wait until the scuffle began? What this tells us is that the distance between the two was small and Zimmerman didnt have his gun out.
Good post.
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You're scenario is less likely for several reasons. Where's the evidence Zimmerman was chasing Martin and Martin was running?
Zimmerman said trayvon was running away- his own words. We can hear zimmerman panting like a mofo and plenty of fast shuffling on the 911 tape. He was running too. Listen to the recording. "Are you following him?" "YES". So that's the evidence zimm was chasing him.
Do you think Martin would have engage in a scuffle with an armed man, especially as frightened as you claim he was?
What would you do if an armed man chased you two blocks, then got in your very close space? ME? I'm taking that @#*&^* GUN from him. Period. I'm scared for my life. I've been chased, flanked, and intercepted. It's raining and I figure I"m a dead man. I fear for my life. Maybe some would freeze, put their hands up and pray he only wanted to rob or question them. Nope - when you chase someone - particularly a minor - two blocks with a gun, they're scared shitless.
Also, even WITHOUT knowledge of the gym - Trayvon was prefercly reasonable to feel scared of a man 10 years older, 30 pounds bigger, hopping out of a car and starting chasing him. That'd scared me. Seriously, someone exits their car, chases you, then cuts thru buildings to intercept you - you aren't scared? I'm fcking terrified. It's not "Hello good sir, how may I help you"? No, it's serious shit time.
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Zimmerman said trayvon was running away- his own words. We can hear zimmerman panting like a mofo and plenty of fast shuffling on the 911 tape. He was running too. Listen to the recording. "Are you following him?" "YES". So that's the evidence zimm was chasing him.
What would you do if an armed man chased you two blocks, then got in your very close space? ME? I'm taking that @#*&^* GUN from him. Period. I'm scared for my life. I've been chased, flanked, and intercepted. It's raining and I figure I"m a dead man. I fear for my life. Maybe some would freeze, put their hands up and pray he only wanted to rob or question them. Nope - when you chase someone - particularly a minor - two blocks with a gun, they're scared shitless.
Also, even WITHOUT knowledge of the gym - Trayvon was prefercly reasonable to feel scared of a man 10 years older, 30 pounds bigger, hopping out of a car and starting chasing him. That'd scared me. Seriously, someone exits their car, chases you, then cuts thru buildings to intercept you - you aren't scared? I'm fcking terrified. It's not "Hello good sir, how may I help you"? No, it's serious shit time.
Lmfao. You should go into screen writing
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Zimmerman said trayvon was running away- his own words. We can hear zimmerman panting like a mofo and plenty of fast shuffling on the 911 tape. He was running too. Listen to the recording. "Are you following him?" "YES". So that's the evidence zimm was chasing him.
What would you do if an armed man chased you two blocks, then got in your very close space? ME? I'm taking that @#*&^* GUN from him. Period. I'm scared for my life. I've been chased, flanked, and intercepted. It's raining and I figure I"m a dead man. I fear for my life. Maybe some would freeze, put their hands up and pray he only wanted to rob or question them. Nope - when you chase someone - particularly a minor - two blocks with a gun, they're scared shitless.
Also, even WITHOUT knowledge of the gym - Trayvon was prefercly reasonable to feel scared of a man 10 years older, 30 pounds bigger, hopping out of a car and starting chasing him. That'd scared me. Seriously, someone exits their car, chases you, then cuts thru buildings to intercept you - you aren't scared? I'm fcking terrified. It's not "Hello good sir, how may I help you"? No, it's serious shit time.
Why would you put your hands up if you don't see a gun?
This is the point you keep glossing over Rob.
You don't know he has a gun.
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Why would you put your hands up if you don't see a gun?
This is the point you keep glossing over Rob.
You don't know he has a gun.
Dude, you're standing at an awning in a public area. you're on the phone, waiting for rain to die down. It's dark.
Suddenly, a dude pulls up in a truck. He stops and stares at you. Creepy. You decide to keep moving, you don't want trouble, you're an unarmed twink.
You start walking, and he drives past you - away from his original path home - THEN HE STOPS! You start to get really weirded out. I mean, it's dark and rainy, what does this truck want? It's not a cop, just some scary looking dude. You decide to run to get away. You run a block and turn right. Truck stays put. That was weird. You stop to catch your breeath and start wlaking again, you call your fat hog GF on the phone again.
SUDDENLY, from between the apartments, AHEAD of you, the dude from the truck appears. You're dogshit cared. He left his truck and he's running thru yards now? Holy shit man, that's SCARY and creepy all at once. You ran away, you did nothing, you're a skinny twink kid... and this guy left his car? Yes, you're scared. WE DONT KNOW WHO STARTED IT NOW> THERE IS NO EVIDEDNCE WHO DID WHAT.
There's a fight. He's mma trained and has a gun that you probably notice pretty early, as cold steel inside front waistband with a belly is pretty noticeable when dude is soaking wet lol. you get lucky and pin down the MMA trained older man who accosted you. He shoots you.
So why did you deserve to be chased, confronted, and shot? See where I"m coming from. He has no info. He doesn't know why he's being chased. he's a dumb scared kid. Zimmerman was armed, had 18 months of MMA training, and maybe he wanted to just ask quesitons. But you don't corner a pitbull with screams then decide to ask him who ate the cupcakes, you know?
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You should start writing fiction.
It could be a good career for you.
None of that has any basis in reality at all.
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You should start writing fiction.
It could be a good career for you.
None of that has any basis in reality at all.
i've been watching the trial. Which sections of this are false? Specifically... on friday we heard all about how the truck drove past, stopped, and stared, and how trayvon ran to get around the corner then called the fatty back. then zimmerman emerged.
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Zimmerman said trayvon was running away- his own words. We can hear zimmerman panting like a mofo and plenty of fast shuffling on the 911 tape. He was running too. Listen to the recording. "Are you following him?" "YES". So that's the evidence zimm was chasing him.
What would you do if an armed man chased you two blocks, then got in your very close space? ME? I'm taking that @#*&^* GUN from him. Period. I'm scared for my life. I've been chased, flanked, and intercepted. It's raining and I figure I"m a dead man. I fear for my life. Maybe some would freeze, put their hands up and pray he only wanted to rob or question them. Nope - when you chase someone - particularly a minor - two blocks with a gun, they're scared shitless.
Also, even WITHOUT knowledge of the gym - Trayvon was prefercly reasonable to feel scared of a man 10 years older, 30 pounds bigger, hopping out of a car and starting chasing him. That'd scared me. Seriously, someone exits their car, chases you, then cuts thru buildings to intercept you - you aren't scared? I'm fcking terrified. It's not "Hello good sir, how may I help you"? No, it's serious shit time.
You're filling in the gaps with your own fact and justifying them by speculating on the mental states of the two individuals. You've created a good vs evil dichotomy to fit the narrative you've also created. The evil Zimmerman intent on causing harm to the frighten running for his life Martin.
Was Zimmerman using the term running to mean Martin was actually physically running or as a substitute for fleeing? The conversation Martin was having with his ugly friend seemed more casual than it would be if he had been running for his life as you like to think. And if he were running he could have easily out lapped the overweight Zimmerman in seconds. It seems unlikely that Martin would have rushed a Zimmerman holding a gun. Why unlikely? Because that type of scenario hardly ever happens, particularly when a person is petrified.
What is likely to have happened and is back up by the testimony so far, is that Zimmerman was following Martin who was not running. Martin became annoyed,not frightened, and after a short time turned to Zimmerman to see what his problem was.
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Was Zimmerman using the term running to mean Martin was actually physically running or as a substitute for fleeing?
zimmerman said running. jabba the hutt said running.
Now who's filling in the gaps with their own facts?
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zimmerman said running. jabba the hutt said running.
Now who's filling in the gaps with their own facts?
I was asking. I wasn't stating as a fact.
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zimmerman said running. jabba the hutt said running.
Now who's filling in the gaps with their own facts?
If you judge the hutts testimony by the same standard you judged Zimmermans, you'd have to completely disregard it.
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lol...240 handling the crackers with ease.
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I was asking. I wasn't stating as a fact.
i dont think that running part is up for dispute. everyone said it.
this week, the prosecution got all their rubbish out. we dont know who started fight, probably never will. We know an armed, MMA trained zimmerman was losing it.
But in FL, you CANNOT CLAIM SELF DEFENSE for a fight you cause, UNLESS you are trying to end that fight. What evidence do we have that zimmerman was trying to end the fight? We dont konw who said help. We don't know if he wanted nothing more than to go bottom FIRST, to justify the shooting. I can easily choose an enemy, start a fight, fall down and open fire... just because i'm on bottom doesn't mean a thing.
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If you judge the hutts testimony by the same standard you judged Zimmermans, you'd have to completely disregard it.
they both agreed trayvon was running away. This isn't something we can argue about - "maybe he MEANT something else".
Everyone agrees trayvon was running. that's not up for dispute. if we want to shift convo to jabba the hut... we can do that. she was very entertaining.
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Archer, you seem like a harmless person, but PLEASE learn the facts before you make a post. When you put forward bullshit, it damages the thread.
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LMFAO 240 youre an idiot broham, you need to be girl punted back to reality
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Watching 240 do mental gymnastics as the entire board owns him is quite entertaining.
The solution to the Trayvon Martin case is banning guns and passing amnesty.
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they both agreed trayvon was running away. This isn't something we can argue about - "maybe he MEANT something else".
Everyone agrees trayvon was running. that's not up for dispute. if we want to shift convo to jabba the hut... we can do that. she was very entertaining.
The fact is jabba the neck wasn't there and is clearly biased so her testimony means shit to me. Now Zimmerman said he was running and that's hard to dispute. I'm curious how its possible Zimmerman caught up if Martin was running. On foot or in a car, it would have been hard for Zimmerman to keep up.
I still think there is zero evidence Martin was aware Zimmerman had a gun until after the s uncle,if at all. He didnt mention it to fattie.
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Archer, you seem like a harmless person, but PLEASE learn the facts before you make a post. When you put forward bullshit, it damages the thread.
You must be tbombz.
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i dont think that running part is up for dispute. everyone said it.
this week, the prosecution got all their rubbish out. we dont know who started fight, probably never will. We know an armed, MMA trained zimmerman was losing it.
But in FL, you CANNOT CLAIM SELF DEFENSE for a fight you cause, UNLESS you are trying to end that fight. What evidence do we have that zimmerman was trying to end the fight? We dont konw who said help. We don't know if he wanted nothing more than to go bottom FIRST, to justify the shooting. I can easily choose an enemy, start a fight, fall down and open fire... just because i'm on bottom doesn't mean a thing.
Tray on started the fight by clocking zimm first. Called him a crazy ass cracker too
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This thread is turning to shit. You can't argue with people that ignore the facts and use whatever hair brained ideas that they pull out of their assholes, there is no point in even engaging Jack or 240 anymore.
Just point out how wrong 240 is, and how much he looks like a moron, and let him own himself into oblivion every time he posts. His mental gymnastics are epic to watch.
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Brothers, this is some information. It is from Wikipedia, so it is whatever it is. I haven't read it yet, so if you see something you know is wrong, please don't blame me - just point it out.
Thought maybe we could kindle some new, different arguments:
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Sanford Police Investigation
Police officer Timothy Smith arrived at the scene at approximately 7:17 PM. He reported finding Zimmerman standing near Martin, who was lying face down in the grass and unresponsive.[15][18] At that time, Zimmerman stated to Smith that he had shot Martin and was still armed. Smith handcuffed Zimmerman and removed his weapon from him. Smith observed that Zimmerman's back was wet and covered with grass and he was bleeding from the nose and the back of his head.[15][105]
Ricardo Ayala, the second officer to arrive that night, noticed Officer Smith had Zimmerman in custody, then observed Martin lying face down in the grass and attempted to get a response from him. At this time, Sgt. Anthony Raimondo arrived and together with Ayala began CPR. Paramedics from Sanford Fire and Rescue arrived and continued CPR, finally declaring Martin dead at 7:30 PM.[15]
Other officers who had arrived by this time secured the area and made contact with neighbors in the area and obtained statements from witnesses at the scene. They did not realize Zimmerman had been in a vehicle, however, so it was moved before they could seize it.[106] Zimmerman was treated and released by paramedics while still at the scene of the incident.[15][105] After placing Zimmerman in his police vehicle, Officer Smith heard Zimmerman say, "I was yelling for someone to help me, but no one would help me."[15][107] Zimmerman was then transported to the Sanford Police Department where he was questioned by investigators for approximately five hours.[15][19] The police determined that Zimmerman yelled for help at least 14 times in a 38 second span.[108] The question of who was calling for help has been disputed since then by others and remains inconclusive. (See Background sounds of yelling for help in 9-1-1 calls)
Martin's body was taken to the morgue, where he was tagged as a John Doe as he was not carrying any identification.[21] Martin's father, Tracy Martin, called to file a Missing Persons report early on February 27 and police officers arrived at his fiancée's condo with photographs of his dead son about 9:20 am.[21][109]
George Zimmerman with a bloody, swollen nose in the back seat of a police car on the night of the shooting.[110][111]
The back of Zimmerman's head at the police station.[112]
Zimmerman was handcuffed at the scene of the shooting and taken to the Sanford police station for questioning, arriving there at 7:52 p.m. according to a police video.[113] His gun, a black Kel-Tec PF-9 9mm semi-automatic pistol, taken from him by Officer Smith at the scene, was placed into evidence.[16][114]
Zimmerman was interviewed by Investigator D. Singleton and by Detective Chris Serino on the night of the shooting.[15][115] He also underwent voice stress analysis, a type of lie detector test, on the night of the shooting.[106] Crime Scene Tech D. Smith photographed his injuries and hands and collected gun shot residue. Zimmerman's clothes were taken as evidence after his wife arrived with a change of clothes.[116] The day after the shooting, Zimmerman performed a videotaped reenactment of the incident for police.[106]
Zimmerman was not given a drug or alcohol test.[18] Peter Bella, a retired Chicago Police forensic investigator, told The Washington Times, "Except for DUIs, police cannot test suspects for drugs or alcohol, unless the accused demands or consents to it, or they get a warrant".[117][118][119] The police did not suspect that Zimmerman was under the influence of drugs or alcohol, and he was never asked to take such a test.
The Martin family alleged that Seminole County Attorney Wolfinger met personally with Sanford Chief Lee on the night of the shooting and instructed Lee not to make an arrest. Based on their accusation, the Martin family requested that the Justice Department investigate the State prosecutor's office. Wolfinger responded that the accusations were "outright lies" and denied that any such meeting or communication took place. Wolfinger's office reported that the Sanford police consulted with Kelly Jo Hines, the prosecutor on call the night of the shooting, but it has not been disclosed what was talked about.[120]
On March 12, 2012, Police Chief Lee turned the investigation over to the State Attorney's office for review.[121] Lee said there was not enough evidence to arrest Zimmerman. "In this case Mr. Zimmerman has made the statement of self-defense," Lee said. "Until we can establish probable cause to dispute that, we don't have the grounds to arrest him." In response to criticisms of the investigation, Lee responded that "We are taking a beating over this" and defended the investigation.[122] "This is all very unsettling. I'm sure if George Zimmerman had the opportunity to relive Sunday, February 26, he'd probably do things differently. I'm sure Trayvon would, too."[71]
On March 13, 2012, Chris Serino sent a capias request to the state's attorney recommending charges of negligent manslaughter against Zimmerman, though Serino maintains he did not believe they had the evidence to support those charges and that manslaughter was only included in the capias in order for the prosecutor's office to continue with their own investigation.[123][124][125][126] The capias states, "the encounter between George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin was ultimately avoidable by Zimmerman, if Zimmerman had remained in his vehicle and waited the arrival of law enforcement or conversely if he had identified himself to Martin as a concerned citizen and initiated dialog in an effort to dispel each party's concern". "There is no indication that Trayvon Martin was involved in any criminal activity at the time of the encounter."[127] The State Attorney's office initially determined there was insufficient evidence to charge Zimmerman and did not file charges based on the capias request.[126][128][129]
On March 16, Serino told the Orlando Sentinel that his investigation had turned up no reliable evidence that cast doubt on Zimmerman's account, that he had acted in self-defense. "The best evidence we have is the testimony of George Zimmerman, and he says the decedent was the primary aggressor in the whole event, everything I have is adding up to what he says."[130]
Further investigation
On March 20, 2012, State attorney Norm Wolfinger announced that a Seminole County grand jury would be convened on April 10 to investigate the death of Martin.[131][132][133] However, after State Attorney Angela Corey was assigned to the case by Florida Governor Rick Scott on March 22, she decided that her office would decide whether to press charges. "I always lean towards moving forward without needing the grand jury in a case like this, I foresee us being able to make a decision, and move on it on our own."[134]
Governor Scott asked the Florida Department of Law Enforcement (FDLE) to investigate the shooting[135][136] and Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi confirmed that the FDLE was involved and stated "no stone will be left unturned in this investigation."[132]
On March 20, 2012, the Justice Department announced that it was opening investigations into the incident.[137] The FBI opened a parallel investigation into whether Martin's civil rights were violated, interviewed witnesses, and looked into Zimmerman's background.[138]
On July 12, interviews conducted by the FBI were publicly released. The Sanford Police Department's lead investigator, Chris Serino, told FBI agents that he believed Zimmerman's actions were not based on Martin's race, but instead on Martin's attire, the circumstances of the encounter, and previous burglaries in the neighborhood. Zimmerman's neighbors and co-workers were interviewed as well. Neighbors who knew Zimmerman had nothing derogatory to say about him and his co-workers were complimentary of him.[139]
Serino also told the FBI that he had felt pressure from three officers within the department to charge Zimmerman although he "did not believe he had enough evidence at the time to file charges", and accused one of these officers of being friendly with Martin's father. He also expressed concern to the FBI about possible leaks of evidence to the media from within the department.[140]
Martin's autopsy report
The Volusia County medical examiner found that Martin was killed by an injury resulting from a single gunshot to the chest, fired at "intermediate range," between 1 and 18 inches according to a forensic expert.[141][Note 5] An FDLE analysis of Martin's body and clothes described the distance as "a contact shot".[142] The autopsy also found that Martin had one small abrasion on his left ring finger below the knuckle. No other injuries were found on Martin's body at the time of his death.[141] Physicians who reviewed the official autopsy report for the Orlando Sentinel, stated in their opinion that Martin lived anywhere from 20 seconds to several minutes after he was shot, and that Martin likely remained conscious "for a time anyway."[143]
The autopsy report stated that Martin had trace levels of THC, the active ingredient in marijuana, in his blood and urine.[144][145] The toxicology report found the levels to be 1.5 nanograms/ml of THC and 7.3 nanograms/ml of THC-COOH, a metabolite of THC that can stay in the system for weeks after cannabis has been smoked.[144][145] Larry Kobilinsky, a professor of forensic science, stated that the THC amount was so low that it may have been ingested days earlier and played no role in Martin's behavior.[146]
Witness accounts
9-1-1 calls[147]
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• 7:16:11 "Help" and gunshot in background
• 7:16:41 reports screaming and gun shot
• 7:17:08 reports screaming "Help" and gunshot
• 7:17:15 distraught caller
• 7:17:54 reports gun shot
• 7:18:00 reports yelling "Help"
• 7:19:04 brother of caller was witness
Problems listening to the files? See media help.
Recordings of eight calls to the police made on the night of the shooting were released by the Sanford police on March 17, 2012.[95][148]
A witness to the confrontation just prior to the shooting stated that Martin was on top of Zimmerman and punching him, while Zimmerman was yelling for help. This witness, who identified himself as "John", stated that "the guy on the bottom, who had a red sweater on, was yelling to me, 'Help! Help!' and I told him to stop, and I was calling 911".[149] He went on to say that when he got upstairs and looked down, "the guy who was on the top beating up the other guy, was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point.".[149][150]
A 13-year-old boy walking his dog saw a man on the ground shortly before the shooting and identified him as wearing red.[151][152][153] His mother later disputed the testimony and claimed that the police pressured him into choosing the color that the man was wearing and that her son could not see any details in the dark. She also stated that the police waited five days before requesting to even question her son and said that the lead homicide investigator told her that he did not believe the shooting was self defense.[154][155]
Mary Cutcher and her roommate, Selma Mora Lamilla, appeared on AC 360, and Cutcher stated that she believes that "there was no punching, no hitting going on at the time, no wrestling" just prior to the shooting but admitted that she neither saw the shooting nor the preceding altercation.[156][157][158] Cutcher and her roommate heard the pair in their backyard and a "very young voice" whining, with no sounds of a fight. They heard a gunshot; the crying stopped immediately, and they saw Zimmerman on his knees straddling Martin on the ground.[156][158] Mary Cutcher phoned police after the fatal shooting and said the black man was standing over another man, although Trayvon Martin was already dead.[32] According to the Orlando Sentinel article, "Police spokesman Sgt. Dave Morgenstern [on March 15] issued a statement disputing Cutcher's version of events, calling her statements to WFTV "inconsistent with her sworn testimony to police."[159] However, Cutcher and her roommate maintain that their account of the incident to the police did not agree with Zimmerman's, and they demanded the police issue a retraction.[157]
On March 29, 2012, an eyewitness referred to as a male said that he saw two men on the ground scuffling, then heard the shooting, and saw Zimmerman walk away with no blood on him.[160][161] The witness later appeared on CNN AC360 referred to as a female, giving more details on her account. She pointed out that she heard an argument between a younger and an older voice. During the time that she witnessed the incident, the scuffling happened on the grass. She said that the larger man, who walked away after the gunshot, was on top and that it was too dark to see blood on his face.[162]
A witness who arrived shortly after the shooting revealed photos that he took that night that showed "blood trickling down the back of Zimmerman's head from two cuts. It also shows a possible contusion forming on the crown of his head". In revealing the photo to ABC News in mid-April, he noted that he had heard but had not seen the scuffle, had been the first to arrive, and had been the first to talk to Zimmerman after the shooting.[17]
One eye-witness statement given the night of the shooting describes "a black male, wearing a dark colored 'hoodie' on top of a white or Hispanic male who was yelling for help." The witness said that the black male was throwing punches "MMA [mixed martial arts] style." After hearing a "pop," he saw the black male "laid out on the grass."[163][164] When the witness was subsequently interviewed weeks later by a different agency, the witness said he thought that the black male was either punching or pinning the lighter skinned male underneath him. He was no longer certain who was calling for help, having not seen their mouths in the dark. He was still certain that the black male had been on top of the lighter-skinned male.[165]
Witness 8
On March 20, Martin family attorney, Benjamin Crump revealed that Martin had been on the phone with a friend moments before he was shot.[166][167] During an ABC News exclusive report, Crump allowed portions of his recorded interview with Martin's friend to be aired. She said that Martin told her that a man was watching him from his vehicle while talking on the phone before the man started following Martin. Martin told his friend at one point that he had lost the man but the man suddenly appeared again.[166][167][168] The friend said that she told Martin to run to the townhouse where he was staying with his father and the father's girlfriend.[167] She then heard Martin say, "What are you following me for?" followed by a man's voice responding, "What are you doing around here?" She said that she heard the sound of pushing before the phone went dead. She immediately attempted to call him back, but was unable to reach him.[169] Crump stated that he would turn the information over to the Justice Department because "the family does not trust the Sanford Police Department to have anything to do with the investigation."[166] Martin's friend was subsequently interviewed by state prosecutors on April 2, 2012. During her interview with the prosecutor, Martin's friend recounted her last phone call with Martin and added that Martin had described the man as "crazy and creepy," watching him from a vehicle while the man was talking on the phone.[167] Martin's friend told prosecutors that she heard words like "get off, get off," right before she lost contact with Martin.[167]
On March 6, 2013, prosecutors admitted that witness 8 had lied under oath, when she falsely testified that she had been in the hospital on the day of Martin's funeral.[170][171][172]
Crump had refused to disclose the identity of Witness 8, stating that she was only 16, a minor at the time of the shooting, and asked the media to respect her privacy.[173] It was subsequently revealed that she was actually 18 at the time when she said she was on the phone with Martin.[174] According to the defense, her actual age had been edited out of previously released disclosures.[175] Crump has denied intentionally giving any misleading statements about her age.[176]
George Zimmerman's account of events
On the advice of his legal counsel, Zimmerman did not speak to the media after the shooting.[177] The statements he gave to police investigators were publicly released on June 21, 2012, when Zimmerman's attorney, Mark O'Mara, published his written and recorded statements on Zimmerman's legal defense web site.[178][179][180] Prior to the release of the statements, the only publicly available information about Zimmerman's version of the incident came from interviews with some of his family members and friends and from leaks to the news media by sources inside the investigation, and his recorded phone call to 9-1-1. Zimmerman maintained his public silence until he was interviewed by Sean Hannity of Fox News on July 18, 2012.[181][182] According to early news reports on the incident, on the night of the shooting, and afterwards, Zimmerman described in detail for investigators what took place.[183][184][185][186]
Zimmerman said he was driving to the grocery store when he spotted Trayvon Martin walking through the neighborhood. Zimmerman's father said that, while his son was not on duty that night as Neighborhood Watch captain, there had been many break-ins and he thought it suspicious that someone he didn't recognize was walking behind the town homes instead of on the street or the sidewalk. Zimmerman therefore called a non-emergency police line to report Martin's behavior and summon police.[187][188] During the call, Zimmerman told the dispatcher that Martin was "coming to check me out."[99] A source to the Orlando Sentinel said in May that Zimmerman told investigators that at one point Martin circled his vehicle,[Note 6] and he rolled up his window to avoid a confrontation.[184][189]
After telling the police dispatcher that Martin "ran,"[190] Zimmerman left his vehicle to determine his location and ascertain in which direction Martin had fled.[184][191] The dispatcher asked if Zimmerman was following Martin, and Zimmerman replied "Yeah." Then the dispatcher said, "OK, we don't need you to do that." Zimmerman replied with "OK" and stated that Martin got away.[190] After a discussion about where Zimmerman would meet police, the call ended, and Zimmerman told investigators he was returning to his vehicle when Martin approached him from his left rear and confronted him.[184][185] According to Zimmerman, Martin then punched him in the face, knocking him down, and began beating his head against the sidewalk.[184][185] Zimmerman said he called out for help while being beaten, and at one point Martin covered his mouth to muffle the screams.[184][185] According to Zimmerman's father, during the struggle while Martin was on top of Zimmerman, Martin saw the gun his son was carrying and said something to the effect of "You're gonna die now" or "You're gonna die tonight" and continued to beat Zimmerman.[183] Zimmerman and Martin struggled over the gun, and Zimmerman shot Martin once in the chest at close range, in self-defense.[184][185][186][Note 7]
On June 21, 2012, Zimmerman's attorneys released audiotapes of several interviews he had with police shortly after the shooting. Also included were Zimmerman's written statement of February 26, 2012, and video recordings of his reenactment of the incident and a voice stress test that he passed.[180][178][192][193][194]
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In the interviews, Zimmerman says he took note of Martin because he was near a home that he had previously called police about. He also said "he was just walking casually, not like he was trying to get out of the rain," and he felt "something was off" about Martin.[189]
Zimmerman said he left his truck to find a street sign so he would be able to tell the police dispatcher where he was. He told investigators that he was not following Martin but was "just going in the same direction he was" to find an address, but admitted that he had also left his truck to try to see in which direction Martin had gone.[191] The altercation began, he said, when Martin suddenly appeared while Zimmerman was walking back to his vehicle. He described Martin at different points in the interviews as appearing "out of nowhere," "from the darkness," and as "jump[ing] out of the bushes."[191][192] Zimmerman said that Martin asked, "You got a fucking problem, homie?" Zimmerman replied no, and then Martin said that he did now, and punched him.[195] As they struggled on the ground, Zimmerman on his back with Martin on top of him, Zimmerman yelled for help "probably 50 times." (See Background sounds of yelling for help in 9-1-1 calls) Martin told him to "Shut the fuck up," as he hit him in the face and pounded his head on a concrete sidewalk.[192] When Zimmerman tried to move off the concrete, Martin saw his gun and said "You're going to die tonight guy!" Martin grabbed for the gun, but Zimmerman grabbed it first. He said after firing his weapon at Martin, he wasn't sure at first that he had hit him, so he got on top of him in order to subdue him.[191][192][196][dead link] Bystanders and police arrived shortly after Martin was shot.[197][198]
Police reports state Zimmerman "appeared to have a broken and a bloody nose and swelling of his face." Zimmerman was offered three chances to be taken to the hospital, but Zimmerman declined each time, according to police reports released by the prosecution.[197] ABC News reported that a medical report compiled by the family physician of George Zimmerman showed that, following the altercation with Martin, Zimmerman was diagnosed with a closed fracture of his nose, two black eyes, lacerations to the back of his head, a minor back injury, and bruising in his upper lip and cheek.[199]
In the course of Zimmerman's recorded interviews, Detective Chris Serino questioned aspects of Zimmerman's account, such as Zimmerman's statement that he didn't know the name of a street in the Twin Lakes community where he had lived for three years. Zimmerman said in response that he had a bad memory and takes medication for attention deficit hyperactivity disorder.[189] Investigators also questioned the extent of his injuries and why he didn't identify himself to Martin as a Neighborhood Watch coordinator. Zimmerman said he didn't want to confront Martin.[189][192]
On June 26, 2012, the prosecution released the results of a voice stress test performed on George Zimmerman the day after the shooting.[200][201] A voice stress test is a type of test used to measure deceptive or psychological stress in the human voice in response to questions.[202] Zimmerman was asked, "Did you confront the guy you shot?", to which Zimmerman answered, "No." Zimmerman was asked, "Were you in fear for your life, when you shot the guy?", to which Zimmerman answered, "Yes."[200] The examiner concluded that Zimmerman "told substantially the complete truth" in the examination, and Zimmerman was classified as "No Deception Indicated (NDI)" according to the report.[200]
During a bond hearing on April 20, 2012, Investigator Dale Gilbreath testified under oath that he did not know whether Zimmerman or Martin started the fight and that there is no evidence to contradict Zimmerman's claim that he was walking back to his vehicle when Martin confronted him. Gilbreath, however, questioned Zimmerman's statement that Martin was slamming his head against the sidewalk just before he shot the teenager, saying it was "not consistent with the evidence we found."[203][204][205] Gilbreath was one of two investigators who attested to the facts stated in the probable cause affidavit.[29]
Legal analysts have stated that Zimmerman's credibility could become an issue at trial and that Zimmerman's claim of self-defense rests on whether the jury can trust him "as a reporter of the facts".[206][207] Douglas Keene, a trial consultant and forensic psychologist, stated that in a self-defense case, a jury has to decide "whether or not someone can be trusted to have used good judgment. Credibility is always a paramount issue in any trial," he said.[206]
Harvard Law Professor Alan Dershowitz, who has criticized Special Prosecutor Angela Corey's handling of the case, said he believes that the video reenactment of the incident would help Zimmerman during a trial if it were submitted as evidence and shown to a jury, but he wasn't sure that it would be. Without going into detail, Martin family attorney Benjamin Crump referred to several alleged inconsistencies between Zimmerman's written statement and his recorded call to the police dispatcher.[191]
Zimmerman's first media interview
On July 18, 2012, Zimmerman, accompanied by his attorney Mark O'Mara, gave his first long media interview to Sean Hannity. Part of the interview appeared on Hannity that evening. During the interview he said that he did not regret his actions on the night of the shooting, but he also said, "I do wish there was something, anything I could have done that wouldn't have put me in the position where I had to take his life. I want to tell everyone, my wife, my family, my parents, grandmother, the Martins, the city of Sanford and America: I'm sorry that this happened. I'm truly sorry."[181][182][208]
When Hannity asked Zimmerman why his suspicions were aroused when he noticed Martin, Zimmerman replied in part:
“I felt he was suspicious because it was raining. He was in-between houses, cutting in-between houses, and he was walking very leisurely for the weather. … It didn't look like he was a resident that went to check their mail and got caught in the rain and was hurrying back home. He didn't look like a fitness fanatic that would train in the rain.”[6][7]
Following the interview with Hannity, Special Prosecutor Angela Corey filed formal notice that she intends to use the interview as evidence against Zimmerman.[209] According to an article in the Orlando Sentinel, Zimmerman's story differed in at least two details from previous versions of what he said happened the night he shot Martin.[209] Florida defense lawyers said it was a mistake for Zimmerman to do a TV interview and discuss what happened that night. One of them said, "It's really baffling what he thought he'd gain from it. I question who's in charge of the defense strategy, Zimmerman or O'Mara".[209]
Martin's parents said they don't accept Zimmerman's apology for killing their son.[210] Martin's mother, Sybrina Fulton, said she doubted that Zimmerman's apology was sincere. "I have a hard time accepting it because he also said that he doesn't regret anything that he did that night..." Fulton stated.[211]
Prosecution's account of events
The prosecution's account is largely contained in the affidavit of probable cause filed on April 11, 2012 in support of second-degree murder charges against Zimmerman. A conviction of second-degree murder could result in Zimmerman receiving a prison term of 25 years to life.[1] The affidavit states that it does not contain a complete recitation of facts, but presents only the facts to support probable cause for second-degree murder charges. Judge Mark Herr ruled that the affidavit was legally sufficient to establish probable cause.[212] The affidavit describes what investigators allege took place between Zimmerman and Martin on the night of the shooting.[8][29][213][214]
The affidavit states that Martin was walking back from a nearby 7-Eleven store to the townhouse where he was temporarily living when Zimmerman profiled Martin, who was unarmed and not committing a crime.[8][29] Prosecutors stated that Zimmerman was driving in his vehicle when he observed Martin and assumed he was a criminal.[8] Feeling that Martin did not belong in the gated community where Zimmerman lived, he called the police to request for an officer to respond, because he perceived Martin was acting suspicious.[8][29] Investigators said the dispatcher told Zimmerman an officer was on the way and to wait for him.[8][29] In the call, Zimmerman made reference to people he felt had gotten away with break-ins in the neighborhood, and while talking about Martin, stated "these assholes, they always get away" and also said "these fucking punks".[8][29][214]
According to investigators, while Zimmerman was speaking with police, Martin was on the phone with a friend and described to her what was happening. She said that Martin was scared because he was being followed by an unknown male and didn't know why.[8][214] Investigators said that Martin attempted to run home, but Zimmerman followed him, because he didn't want Martin whom he falsely assumed was going to commit a crime, to get away before the police arrived.[8][213] When the police dispatcher realized Zimmerman was pursuing Martin, he instructed Zimmerman not to do that and told him an officer would meet him.[29] Prosecutors stated that Zimmerman ignored the dispatcher's instruction and continued pursuing Martin on foot.[212] Investigators said Zimmerman then confronted Martin and a struggle ensued.[8][29]
The affidavit describes witness accounts of hearing people arguing, what sounded like a struggle, and yells for help that were recorded in the 9-1-1 calls to police.[8] According to prosecutors, Martin's mother reviewed the 9-1-1 calls to police and identified the voice crying for help as her son.[29][215] (See Background sounds of yelling for help in 9-1-1 calls) When police arrived at the scene, Zimmerman admitted to shooting Martin in the chest.[8][29] An assistant medical examiner conducted an autopsy and determined that Martin had died from the gunshot.[8][29]
Legal analysts have criticized the prosecution for over-charging Zimmerman, claiming that the probable cause affidavit does not support a charge of second-degree murder.[216][217] Harvard Law Professor Alan Dershowitz claims that the probable cause affidavit may be perjurious if Special Prosecutor Angela Corey knowingly omitted facts favorable to Zimmerman's self defense claims.[216]
Richard Kuritz, a former prosecutor who worked with Angela Corey, said the state attorney had no obligation to include exculpatory evidence in the affidavit. He stated that Dershowitz could face civil action for making accusations that Corey committed a crime. "To suggest that she's committing any crime, Dershowitz is way off on that", Kuritz said.[218]
Background sounds of yelling for help in 9-1-1 calls
In recordings of the 9-1-1 calls, yells for help are audible in the background. Zimmerman's family says it was Zimmerman yelling for help, Martin's family says it was Martin yelling for help, and independent audio analysts offer differing opinions as to who was yelling for help.
In an interview with prosecutors on March 19, Zimmerman's father identified the yells as George Zimmerman's, stating, "There is no doubt who is yelling for help. It is absolutely my son." Other relatives of Zimmerman, including his brother, concur and are equally adamant.[219] During a bond hearing on June 29, the 9-1-1 recording was played in court, and Zimmerman's father testified that "it was definitely George's" voice heard yelling for help in the recorded 9-1-1 call.[220]
According to police reports, after listening to audio recordings of the 9-1-1 calls, Martin's father, Tracy Martin, told police investigators that it was not Trayvon Martin's voice yelling for help.[197] Martin has since told reporters he was uncertain at that time, but that when he heard an enhanced recording on March 16 he was convinced it was his son yelling for help. Investigators interviewed Martin's mother, Sybrina Fulton, who reviewed the 9-1-1 calls to police and identified the voice crying for help as her son.[215] Investigators also interviewed Martin's cousin who stated that without a doubt "on a stack of bibles" it was Martin yelling for help on the 9-1-1 tape.[221][222]
During the FBI investigation, Witness 45, a neighbor of Zimmerman's, stated he was 110% sure the voice calling for help was Zimmerman's.[223][224]
Independent audio experts vary in their interpretations of the low-quality audio of the phone recordings, which one expert compared to analyzing low-resolution video from a security camera.[225] The FBI was not able to determine whether it was Zimmerman or Martin who could be heard yelling out for help in 9-1-1 calls, citing both poor audio quality and "the extreme emotional state of the person screaming."[197][226] Two expert audio technicians, listed as possible witnesses for the prosecution, analyzed the emergency calls made during the altercation. One analyst reported that he believed some of the cries came from Martin. The other analyst said the quality of the recordings was insufficient for good analysis, but said some cries were likely from Martin and some likely from Zimmerman[227]
Zimmerman's attorneys had requested a Frye hearing regarding the admissibility of the testimony of the audio analysts, to determine if the methods used by them are generally accepted by the scientific community.[228][229] At the time of the hearing, Florida used the Frye standard, but during the course of the case, Florida switched to the Daubert standard standard, effective July 1, 2013.[230] The Daubert standard is generally considered more stringent, and requires more scrutiny before admission of expert testimony.[231]
On June 22, Judge Nelson ruled that the prosecution's audio experts won't be allowed to testify at Zimmerman's trial. The judge said in her ruling that, "There is no evidence to establish that their scientific techniques have been tested and found reliable." Her ruling didn't prevent the 9-1-1 calls from being played at trial.[232][233]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin
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Lol so you don't know the facts of case yet you're making assumptions on guilt and innocence?
Answer the question jack: is Zimmerman guilty until proven innocent in your mind?
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Lol so you don't know the facts of case yet you're making assumptions on guilt and innocence??
Are you claiming to have been familiar with this level of detail, Tony?
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...because I've never claimed to be familiar with this level of detail.
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Who thinks he shouldn't even be on trial right now?
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...because I've never claimed to be familiar with this level of detail.
How old are you cross? Let me guess you're a college student?
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How old are you cross? Let me guess you're a college student?
Thats exactly what I suspected.
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Who thinks he shouldn't even be on trial right now?
For murder ? I don't
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Thats exactly what I suspected.
And in some incredibly shitty philosophy class he had to make up this summer.
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And in some incredibly shitty philosophy class he had to make up this summer.
Thats why I thought Jack might be tbombz
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You absolutely were NOT aware of this level of detail, Tony. So why was your initial reaction to try and pretend that you were? I know you won't answer that, but I want you to think about it.
How old are you cross? Let me guess you're a college student?
Gee, Tony, if I offer personal details such as age or whether I'm a college student, do you promise not use it as a distraction in future arguments?
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Thats why I thought Jack might be tbombz
There was another guy that used to be active here that posted similar to this guy but he didn't use the leading the witness approach quite as blatantly. Can't rule out tbombz completely but tbombz might make more sense than this guy if that possible.:D
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Archer, I actually had you in mind when I posted that, as you're trying to jump into a thread without having the slightest clue of the most basic facts.
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For murder ? I don't
Nor do I.
Manslaughter. Yes.
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Don't know who this foreskin person is, but he seems to be quite interested in me.
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...could he be a gimmick of Archer?
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Archer, just learn the shit before you start running off. That way you don't have to get mad at people.
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You absolutely were NOT aware of this level of detail, Tony. So why was your initial reaction to try and pretend that you were? I know you won't answer that, but I want you to think about it.
Yes tony you take some time to think about it. You hear?>:(
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Don't know who this foreskin person is, but he seems to be quite interested in me.
:-*
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He mentioned foreskin so it might be tbombz. And I was in this thread before, jack. I don't have a gimmick.
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You absolutely were NOT aware of this level of detail, Tony. So why was your initial reaction to try and pretend that you were? I know you won't answer that, but I want you to think about it.
Gee, Tony, if I offer personal details such as age or whether I'm a college student, do you promise not use it as a distraction in future arguments?
please point to one thing I have said that has not been factually correct about this case....
so youre a young college student, just what I thought
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You weren't familiar with this depth of detail, Tony. So why try to suggest that you were? WHY was your reaction to do that?
(If you don't want to answer, then don't.)
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http://www.wftv.com/videos/news/zimmerman-audio-interview-with-sanford-pd-on-feb/vcQzm/
Listen to ZImmerman's interview with police. Right after the shooting. You'lll understand why the lead investigator wanted to charge him with murder.
Listen to this and tell me you truly believe him. He's making it up as he goes, seriously. He keeps changing his answers... PLEASE listen to this if you believe zimm is a credible person.
http://www.wftv.com/videos/news/zimmerman-audio-interview-with-sanford-pd-on-feb/vcQzm/
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http://www.wftv.com/videos/news/zimmerman-audio-interview-with-sanford-pd-on-feb/vcQzm/
Listen to ZImmerman's interview with police. Right after the shooting. You'lll understand why the lead investigator wanted to charge him with murder.
Listen to this and tell me you truly believe him. He's making it up as he goes, seriously. He keeps changing his answers... PLEASE listen to this if you believe zimm is a credible person.
http://www.wftv.com/videos/news/zimmerman-audio-interview-with-sanford-pd-on-feb/vcQzm/
at 9:42, he is confronted with a lie he told to the police in an earlier interview. He keeps changing why he got out of the car.
at 10:54, he claims he is walking back to his car. ZImm admits he is standing at a point closer to his vehicle than where trayvon was shot. This is physically impossible, unless zimmerman dragged him 300 feet during the fight LOL.
84 seconds from the point he decides to walk back to his car.
ZIMM ADMITS HE DIDN"T GET BACK IN HIS CAR NOW.
HE ADMITS he STOPPED because he didn't have a flashlight.
He ADMITS he can't account for those 84 seconds. At 13:30, this is where the cop busts him and punches a hole in his story. THIS is the smoking gun that I think we'll hear from prosecution.
At 14:25, Zimmerman admits he was following trayvon. Then claims he wasn't following him. PLEASE listen to this - the 2 cops are shocked at his BS story.
At 15:10, cops accus him of trying to CATCH TRAYVON and that's why he took the flashlight. TRYING TO CATCH HIM.
Listen to him at 15:55... totally caught. Totally making it up on the fly. Your bullshit detectors shoudl be going off!!!!!! LOL the cops sure don't buy it.
at 16:45, Zimmerman hears a 911 call. at 17:45 he claims he is being smothered - WHILE AT THE SAME TIME HE IS SCREAMING. That's kinda physically impossible.
The cop busts him at 18:20... zimmerman screams for a solid 25 seconds straight... there is no smothering - yet zimm keeps saying 'oh yeah, he was smothering me'.
"At what point did you fear suffocation"? LMAO
At 19:20, the cop reminds zimm that NOBODY saw him being smothered. Nobody can scream while being smothered. "is he whisppering these threats to you?"
"Trayvon keeps saying all these things about killing me" - yet the recordings can't hear it lol.
I ask anyone who believes zimmerman to listen to this tape - this interview with police. He's bullshitting them.
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Brothers, this is some information. It is from Wikipedia, so it is whatever it is. I haven't read it yet, so if you see something you know is wrong, please don't blame me - just point it out.
Thought maybe we could kindle some new, different arguments:
Why the heck are you posting a friggin encyclopedia you haven't even read and asking people to comment on it?
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Are you claiming to have been familiar with this level of detail, Tony?
Yes, tony. Are you familiar with "this level of detail" that Jack didn't even read?
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Who thinks he shouldn't even be on trial right now?
Me.
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I listened to his interviews. He is consistent in every aspect on everything that matters.
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Detective recounts somber Zimmerman citing his faith, fear after Martin shooting
By Perry Chiaramonte, Serafin Gomez
Published July 01, 2013
FoxNews.com
The Sanford police detective who questioned George Zimmerman the night he shot Trayvon Martin became the latest prosecution witness to appear to do more harm than good to the state's case, recalling a somber conversation that touched on Zimmerman's faith and the fear he said he felt when Martin told him "You're going to die tonight."
Detective Doris Singleton testified Monday that Zimmerman seemed somber and conflicted as she interviewed him after the February 2012 shooting. She said Zimmerman asked her about the crucifix around her neck and buried his head in his hands upon learning Martin had died.
"I had a silver cross on and he asked me if I was Catholic," Singleton said during testimony. "I said, 'No. I'm Christian. Why are you asking?'"
She said Zimmerman replied, saying that he had noticed the cross and told Singleton that it was "always wrong to kill" someone.
"I said to him, 'If what you're telling me is true then I don't think that's what God meant. [That] you couldn't save your own life,'" she told the court.
Singleton testified that a shocked Zimmerman replied, "He's dead?" to which she said, "I thought you knew that."
Assistant Prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda appeared frustrated at times by the prosecution witness' testimony, which, like previous witnesses put on by the state, at times seemed to put Zimmerman in a sympathetic light. Several times, De La Rionda turned his back on the witness stand and looked to his co-counsel, almost in frustration.
Audiotape of Singleton, who did not respond to the crime scene, was played in court. On it, Zimmerman stated that Martin seemed suspicious because he was, "taking his time, and looking at all the houses" while Zimmerman was patrolling the gated community. Zimmerman said Martin "jumped out" at him from the bushes and said, "What the f--- is your problem, homey?" The defendant claimed on the tape that he responded by saying that he didn't have a problem, to which Martin responded by saying, "Now you have a problem," and punched him in the nose.
Zimmerman said on the tape that the strike caused him to fall to the ground and Martin got on top of him and started to throw more punches.
"He was whaling on my head and I was yelling for help," Zimmerman can be heard saying to Singleton on the tape. "He put his hands on my nose and said, 'You're going to die tonight.'"
He added that he thought Martin was going for his gun, before he pulled on it and shot the young man.
Zimmerman also said that he started the neighborhood watch after a break-in at his home, and others had made him nervous and that since he started patrols, he saw a few suspicious people in the neighborhood.
The testimony came as the prosecution began the second week of testimony in Zimmerman's murder trial with a voice analyst who said it was "impossible to determine" the age of the person who was heard screaming on the 911 call.
Hirotaka Nakasone, an FBI audio voice analyst who examined eight audio recordings related to the February 2012 shooting of Trayvon Martin, said he was unable to identify or even peg an age to the person whose screams were heard on the tape. He said the pitch of one's voice goes "all over the place" under extreme stress.
It "was not possible to determine" the age of the person who was screaming, for approximately 2.5 seconds, he said under questioning from assistant prosecutor Richard Mantei. "Guessing age is a little complicated."
The issue is critical, because Zimmerman claims to have acted in self-defense when he shot the 17-year-old Martin. Determining who was doing the screaming could go a long way toward bolstering -- or undermining -- his defense. Prior to testimony beginning in the case, the prosecution had tried to block Nakasone in a Frye hearing, as they sought in vain to admit audio experts that said the voice was Martin's.
On cross-examination by defense attorney Don West, Nakasone said people who harbor preconceptions or "a bias" prior to hearing a recording could make a mistake in identifying the speaker.
"There is always that danger," Nakasone said.
During re-direct questioning by the prosecution, Nakasone stated that he had advised the Tampa Field Office of the FBI not to attempt a re-enactment because of too many variables that could have affected the results.
Former lead investigator for the Sanford Police, Christopher Serino also took the stand Monday afternoon , when a series of audio and video recordings were played for the court.
One was of an interview conducted with Zimmerman at the police station in which Serino raised the possibility of racial profiling by asking him, "had this person been white, would you have felt the same way?" Zimmerman replied, "Yes."
Zimmerman also said in the interview "I prayed to god someone would videotape it," referring to the scuffle that led to Martin's death.
In the Singleton tape, she asked why Zimmerman did not identify himself and he replied saying that Martin may have thought that he was "creepy." She also asked if he thought Martin was afraid because Zimmerman did not identify himself.
"Do you think he was afraid," Singleton is heard saying on the tape. "You never told him yu were? You could have told him? Right?"
When asked why he followed Martin, Zimmerman said, "He caught me off guard."
More than 20 witnesses testified during the opening week of a trial that has opened up national debates about race, equal justice, self-defense and gun control.
Zimmerman has said Martin was banging his head into the concrete sidewalk behind the town homes in a gated community. Zimmerman is charged with second-degree murder and has pleaded not guilty.
Zimmerman defense attorney Mark O'Mara said at the end of last week that the trial was progressing at a faster pace than anticipated, but that he was reserving judgment on the prosecution's case so far.
"We're in the middle of it. They've got a lot more to show. These things build up slow, and it's sort of like pieces of a puzzle," O'Mara said. "People say, 'wait a minute, I can't see the picture yet.' They're very good prosecutors, they're gonna do a very good job, and they're gonna put on their evidence. We'll see how it goes. We're certainly ready to respond to it."
Zimmerman, 29, could get life in prison if convicted of second-degree murder. The state argued during its opening statement that Zimmerman profiled and followed Martin in his truck and called a police dispatch number before he and the teen got into a fight.
Zimmerman has denied the confrontation had anything to do with race, as Martin's family and their supporters have claimed.
Over the first five days of testimony, jurors heard 911 calls from neighbors that included cries for help and the fatal gunshot. Zimmerman's attorneys are adamant that he is the one screaming on the recordings, while Martin's parents have said it's their son.
Jurors also listened to more than six hours of testimony from Martin's friend Rachel Jeantel, who testified that she was talking on the phone with the teen as the fight started.
She testified that Martin told her he was being followed by "a creepy-ass cracker." But it was her testy cross-examination exchanges with defense attorney Don West that commanded the most attention.
West attacked inconsistencies in multiple statements she gave attorneys and law enforcement officials about what she heard, including whether she heard Martin say "Get off! Get off!"
There also was conflicting testimony from neighbors that witnessed parts of the struggle between Martin and Zimmerman. Some said it appeared the larger Zimmerman was straddling Martin, but neighbor Jonathan Good said it appeared Martin was on top.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/07/01/scientific-testimony-expected-from-prosecution-as-2nd-week-zimmerman-trial/#ixzz2XphBw0xl
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http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/describes_jumped_confrontation_trayvon_I5bI2yMehibUIdCyF6XT8H?utm_source=SFnewyorkpost&utm_medium=SFnewyorkpost
Tray went ghetto on Martin and paid for it
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I listened to his interviews. He is consistent in every aspect on everything that matters.
the lead detective disagrees with you on this.
Day 2, the top cop no longer playing defense lapdog. He said zimm hung up and went fwd to confront trayvon, and DID NOT head back to his truck as stated.
He's credible, because ya loved him yesterday, but this is a big lie for zimm to tell, whether he was retreating or continuing his advance on trayvon.
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the lead detective disagrees with you on this.
Day 2, the top cop no longer playing defense lapdog. He said zimm hung up and went fwd to confront trayvon, and DID NOT head back to his truck as stated.
He's credible, because ya loved him yesterday, but this is a big lie for zimm to tell, whether he was retreating or continuing his advance on trayvon.
How can he make the statement that Martin was moving towards Trayvon?
That's definite speculation. Did the Defense not object to it?
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How can he make the statement that Martin was moving towards Trayvon?
That's definite speculation. Did the Defense not object to it?
No. The detective laid out clearly why he felt this way, and he spent hours in a small room with zimm. He knows the evidence. I can't retype it as fast as he said it - someone will link article with summary - but he shut down omara fast.
based upon their interviews and re-enactments and 911 call and location of shooting, he said zimm was still very close to truck when he hung up - then he hung up and advanced. He didn't "go back" as he claimed.
And this detective is a take-no-shit guy that zimm supporters loved yesterday when he shit all over trayvon and the prosecution. Today, he's making a good case that zimmerman hung up and WANT TOWARD trayvon, not retreat. He's calm and making a lot of sense.
If this is the case - and i doubt any of us knows the case better than him - then the whole zimmerman defense just kinda took a dump.
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No. The detective laid out clearly why he felt this way, and he spent hours in a small room with zimm. He knows the evidence. I can't retype it as fast as he said it - someone will link article with summary - but he shut down omara fast.
based upon their interviews and re-enactments and 911 call and location of shooting, he said zimm was still very close to truck when he hung up - then he hung up and advanced. He didn't "go back" as he claimed.
And this detective is a take-no-shit guy that zimm supporters loved yesterday when he shit all over trayvon and the prosecution. Today, he's making a good case that zimmerman hung up and WANT TOWARD trayvon, not retreat. He's calm and making a lot of sense.
If this is the case - and i doubt any of us knows the case better than him - then the whole zimmerman defense just kinda took a dump.
Unless he determine Zimmermans location from a contradiction in Zimmermans testimony, this seems extremely speculative.
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Unless he determine Zimmermans location from a contradiction in Zimmermans testimony, this seems extremely speculative.
he's walked thru the shooting with zimm in person and on paper over and over. there were lots of contradictions - listen to the interviews, there were a shitload of contradictions as his sotry evolved.
he pissed off the prosecution all day long today and yesterday - BUT - today the lead detective just said he wasn't where he claimed to be.
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he's walked thru the shooting with zimm in person and on paper over and over. there were lots of contradictions - listen to the interviews, there were a shitload of contradictions as his sotry evolved.
he pissed off the prosecution all day long today and yesterday - BUT - today the lead detective just said he wasn't where he claimed to be.
If he was not there - and not on the call itself - how the fuck he know that?
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If he was not there - and not on the call itself - how the fuck he know that?
this is the detective that walked thru the crime scene with zimmerman and did 3 long ass interviews regarding the 911 call with him. He knows every inch of that path, even second of those calls. He spent months on this case full-time.
That's how the fck he knows that.
The cop is highly credible - he puts the shooting itself solely upon trayvon's fault. BUT he has punched a lot of holes in the zimmerman story of how he backtracked and then was jumped by a hiding trayvon - That part couldn't have happened how zimmerman claimed.
SO the cop really proved zimmerman right on the legal part of the shoot on the ground - but also showed zimm's lies in what led up to the shooting. Take form it what you will, but there is nobody more well-versed in this shooting and zimm's multiple accounts of it - than this cop. The same cop that wanted to charge him with manslaughter.
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240 or Bust shows up at court, and throws down his briefcase like Mr. Brady proving Zimmermans guilt.
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Mr. 240 goes to Washington
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this is the detective that walked thru the crime scene with zimmerman and did 3 long ass interviews regarding the 911 call with him. He knows every inch of that path, even second of those calls. He spent months on this case full-time.
That's how the fck he knows that.
The cop is highly credible - he puts the shooting itself solely upon trayvon's fault. BUT he has punched a lot of holes in the zimmerman story of how he backtracked and then was jumped by a hiding trayvon - That part couldn't have happened how zimmerman claimed.
SO the cop really proved zimmerman right on the legal part of the shoot on the ground - but also showed zimm's lies in what led up to the shooting. Take form it what you will, but there is nobody more well-versed in this shooting and zimm's multiple accounts of it - than this cop. The same cop that wanted to charge him with manslaughter.
the same detective that testified that his story didn't show any major inconsistencies? The same detective that said that they grilled him trying to make him slip up, and the few small slipups were well within normal bounds? That detective?
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the same detective that testified that his story didn't show any major inconsistencies? The same detective that said that they grilled him trying to make him slip up, and the few small slipups were well within normal bounds? That detective?
Difference between major and minor inconsistencies. Howevre, as the prosecution has shown, something minor such as location of zimmerman when phone call ends can completely unravel his story that he was attacked and not heading TOWARD trayvon after the phone call.
It makes a lot more sense too - he's in pursuit and admits trayvon is running. A minute later, one is shot dead. I just find it hard to believe zimmerman gave up and turned around, and simultaneously, trayvon went from running away to pursuit. Maybe one of these things, but BOTH happening at the same time?
Toss in the lead detective saying zimmerman did hang up and proceed after trayvon, well, it really destroys that one piece of the story that makes him NOt the aggressor.
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Dude once this trial is over - what on earth are you going to post aboujt?
Difference between major and minor inconsistencies. Howevre, as the prosecution has shown, something minor such as location of zimmerman when phone call ends can completely unravel his story that he was attacked and not heading TOWARD trayvon after the phone call.
It makes a lot more sense too - he's in pursuit and admits trayvon is running. A minute later, one is shot dead. I just find it hard to believe zimmerman gave up and turned around, and simultaneously, trayvon went from running away to pursuit. Maybe one of these things, but BOTH happening at the same time?
Toss in the lead detective saying zimmerman did hang up and proceed after trayvon, well, it really destroys that one piece of the story that makes him NOt the aggressor.
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Difference between major and minor inconsistencies. Howevre, as the prosecution has shown, something minor such as location of zimmerman when phone call ends can completely unravel his story that he was attacked and not heading TOWARD trayvon after the phone call.
It makes a lot more sense too - he's in pursuit and admits trayvon is running. A minute later, one is shot dead. I just find it hard to believe zimmerman gave up and turned around, and simultaneously, trayvon went from running away to pursuit. Maybe one of these things, but BOTH happening at the same time?
Toss in the lead detective saying zimmerman did hang up and proceed after trayvon, well, it really destroys that one piece of the story that makes him NOt the aggressor.
But you are willing to believe that same frightened kid engaged Zimmerman in a physical altercation and didnt just keep running?
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Dude once this trial is over - what on earth are you going to post aboujt?
whatever else is fun to discuss that week. i think a lot of getbiggers take this way more seriously than I do. I just like to argue and discuss. I think by now you realize I don't care about being owned/wrong/pwned, etc. I get shit wrong every day. That's cool. It's like watching a game with buddies and not being allowed to say "Oh, the Pats are coming back in the second half!"
I dont sit there on monday morning embarassed and say "Oh shit, I suck, i'll never talk about football again". I admit I got that one wrong and look fwd to the next game. IT's on tv for entertainment. Two idiots had it out on a rainy night, one got killed, one might go to jail. Aside from that, everyone turning this into "the decisive racial issue of our time" is just drama queen shit.
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But you are willing to believe that same frightened kid engaged Zimmerman in a physical altercation and didnt just keep running?
It is looking like trayvon didn't see him get out of the truck. Trayvon sprinted, got around the corner by 20 or 30 feet, and strated walking. At the same time, zimm hung up and cut thru yard then intercepted him on that pathway. ZImm arrived tired as shit, trayvon had just caught his breath. We don't know who started fight then, despite everyone wanting it to be - no proof there. We just have one ran, one chased. and the one chasing can't really claim self-defense.
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It is looking like trayvon didn't see him get out of the truck. Trayvon sprinted, got around the corner by 20 or 30 feet, and strated walking. At the same time, zimm hung up and cut thru yard then intercepted him on that pathway. ZImm arrived tired as shit, trayvon had just caught his breath. We don't know who started fight then, despite everyone wanting it to be - no proof there. We just have one ran, one chased. and the one chasing can't really claim self-defense.
Is there evidence for any of this. The entire chase scene, the out of breath Zimmerman, Martin not seeing him....
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It is looking like trayvon didn't see him get out of the truck. Trayvon sprinted, got around the corner by 20 or 30 feet, and strated walking. At the same time, zimm hung up and cut thru yard then intercepted him on that pathway. ZImm arrived tired as shit, trayvon had just caught his breath. We don't know who started fight then, despite everyone wanting it to be - no proof there. We just have one ran, one chased. and the one chasing can't really claim self-defense.
If Trayvon took off sprinting - wouldn't that give Zimm the idea that maybe he was intercepting a burglary in progress?
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If Trayvon took off sprinting - wouldn't that give Zimm the idea that maybe he was intercepting a burglary in progress?
that would be speculative. If some armed MMA fighter pulls up in a truck eyeballing me - and I'm a smoker twink junior in high school - I might run too. Armed MMA fighters are scary!!
Why does everyone jump my ass every time I speculate, but you can do it? lol :)
Is there evidence for any of this. The entire chase scene, the out of breath Zimmerman, Martin not seeing him....
ZImmerman better hope that there is evidence - he's the one that killed someone. I can't just blast someone and say "you can't PROVE I chased the mofo" then play a 911 tape showing he was running and i was chasing lol
The ENTIRE crux of the defense that keeps zimmerman out of jail is that he was NOT chasing after trayvon when the dispute happened. That is EVERYTHING with him getting 25 years, or walking scot free. IF he was walking back, and trayvon attacked him, then he's innocent. If he was still pursuing trayvon (and cut thru yards to intercept) then he's going to prison.
it ALL comes down to that for FL self defense law - and there's no video or eyewitness to this. Only zimm's words - and the lead detective did not believe that ONE part of the story. It's a pretty big part though. It'll all come down to which direction zimm was walking in when the fight started. that's the whole case.
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It is looking like trayvon didn't see him get out of the truck. Trayvon sprinted, got around the corner by 20 or 30 feet, and strated walking. At the same time, zimm hung up and cut thru yard then intercepted him on that pathway. ZImm arrived tired as shit, trayvon had just caught his breath. We don't know who started fight en, despite everyone wanting it to be - no proof there. We just have one ran, one chased. and the one chasing can't really claim self-defense.
You have zero evidence to support any of this. Now you're pinning your hopes on the fact that the situation took place a few yards from where he claimed it did. Pretty weak. But I guess its all you have left when pretty much everything else backfired, and the detective flat out said that his story was pretty much seamless.
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It is looking like trayvon didn't see him get out of the truck. Trayvon sprinted, got around the corner by 20 or 30 feet, and strated walking. At the same time, zimm hung up and cut thru yard then intercepted him on that pathway. ZImm arrived tired as shit, trayvon had just caught his breath. We don't know who started fight then, despite everyone wanting it to be - no proof there. We just have one ran, one chased. and the one chasing can't really claim self-defense.
How about...Trayvon didn't see him get out of the truck and took off on a jog because he was trying to get in shape. Zimmerman tried to roll up his window but the door accidentally opened and he fell out. Trayvon heard the commotion and hid behind some bushes. Zimmerman was embarrassed and tried to play the fall off as "I meant to do that" and started doing some push ups to get a "club pump" in case he came across any ladies that evening. Trayvon didn't see the push ups and thought Zimmerman must have took off in a different direction so Trayvon popped out of the bushes--continuing on his jog.
Unfortunately for Trayvon, Zimmerman had finished his push ups and was off walking around to show off his club pump...a walk which put him right on a path with the jogging Trayvon as he leapt from his hiding place in the bushes.
As they collided, an enraged Zimmerman resorted to his MMA training and pulled guard. A frightened Trayvon repeatedly tried to get to his feet by pushing off with his hands--hands contracted into the shape of fists due to the cramping his jogging had caused (he had purchased juice and candy to help replace electrolytes at the store immediately prior).
Zimmerman attempted to pull rubber guard but bashed his head against the ground instead. Angered and confused by Trayvon's attempts to stand up and his own poor guard work, Zimmerman (who hated black people and no one can deny this) pulled his gun and shot Trayvon...knowing he could claim "stand your ground" and be home before his club pump wore off.
We don't know who started what and why they did, but we can all agree that Zimmerman was a beastly, bulging MMA fighter with a life-long hatred of innocent black children. He lied at least 17 times too
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The dilemma I'm having a problem is with what exactly Zimmerman is guilt ly of but I know it's not murder 2
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The dilemma I'm having a problem is with what exactly Zimmerman is guilt ly of but I know it's not murder 2
probably some bastardized version of menacing while possession of a firearm or something. he created the situation. But he didn't intend to murder anyone. If 'manslaughter' was an option for the jury, it'd be a slam dunk. but they got greedy going for murder.
Very rare is the person who said zimm did everything wrong that night, but he's not a murderer. he's an idiot.
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probably some bastardized version of menacing while possession of a firearm or something. he created the situation. But he didn't intend to murder anyone. If 'manslaughter' was an option for the jury, it'd be a slam dunk. but they got greedy going for murder.
Very rare is the person who said zimm did everything wrong that night, but he's not a murderer. he's an idiot.
I'm trying to work out whether he is guilty by the law or just ethically. There is a difference. I said this before but if I was forced to choose, negligent manslaughter is the only answer I can come up with.
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More zimmerman statements now proven to be inconsistent:
"I reached down and My gun wasn't there"
"As soon as he broke my nose i started yelling for help"
"I was punched more than a dozen times in the head"
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I'm trying to work out whether he is guilty by the law or just ethically. There is a difference. I said this before but if I was forced to choose, negligent manslaughter is the only answer I can come up with.
yeah, that would probably be perfect. Maybe toss in obstruction, since his story has changed so many times on some things. He wasn't honest about it when he said the 911 voice instructed him to go get that address, quite the opposite actually.
He should get a few years for causing the death and for being so dogshit stupid.
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yeah, that would probably be perfect. Maybe toss in obstruction, since his story has changed so many times on some things. He wasn't honest about it when he said the 911 voice instructed him to go get that address, quite the opposite actually.
He should get a few years for causing the death and for being so dogshit stupid.
If he doesn't get the max, we are all going to be hearing about it for a while.
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Criminally negligent homicide
It occurs where death results from serious negligence, or, in some jurisdictions, serious recklessness. A high degree of negligence is required to warrant criminal liability. A related concept is that of willful blindness, which is where a defendant intentionally puts himself in a position where he will be unaware of facts which would render him liable.
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More zimmerman statements now proven to be inconsistent:
"I reached down and My gun wasn't there"
"As soon as he broke my nose i started yelling for help"
"I was punched more than a dozen times in the head"
Lol, all of which could be contributed to the stress of having someone on top of you beating the shit out of you.
You've never had someone on top of you raining blows down, have you? You don't exactly gave a clear picture of what's happening, things get pretty fuzzy when you can't see or think straight.
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Lol, all of which could be contributed to the stress of having someone on top of you beating the shit out of you.
You've never had someone on top of you raining blows down, have you? You don't exactly gave a clear picture of what's happening, things get pretty fuzzy when you can't see or think straight.
he ws spouting this bullshit on Hannity 6 months later - that's what the Jury is watching right now - the lies he told sean hanity.
And his story has changed continually - leads to a lack of credibility.
I guess I"m just shocked more people's bullshit alarm doesn't go off whne it comes to zimmerman. "He looks like he's on drugs... OR SOMETHING..."
zimm was just hamming shit up to get the police riled up so they'd show up guns drawn, ready to throw down on an armed junkie.
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he ws spouting this bullshit on Hannity 6 months later - that's what the Jury is watching right now - the lies he told sean hanity.
And his story has changed continually - leads to a lack of credibility.
I guess I"m just shocked more people's bullshit alarm doesn't go off whne it comes to zimmerman. "He looks like he's on drugs... OR SOMETHING..."
zimm was just hamming shit up to get the police riled up so they'd show up guns drawn, ready to throw down on an armed junkie.
The bullshit is that they went for a MURDER charge.
How is it you don't see that? Even those of us who you keep arguing against have admitted that Zimmerman is a complete idiot and should have been charged. Just not with MURDER.
Why do you refuse to see this?
He will get off of a murder charge.
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The bullshit is that they went for a MURDER charge.
How is it you don't see that? Even those of us who you keep arguing against have admitted that Zimmerman is a complete idiot and should have been charged. Just not with MURDER.
Why do you refuse to see this?
He will get off of a murder charge.
Agreed. Rob so badly wants Zimmerman to be the guy he envisioned when the story first broke.
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The bullshit is that they went for a MURDER charge.
How is it you don't see that? Even those of us who you keep arguing against have admitted that Zimmerman is a complete idiot and should have been charged. Just not with MURDER.
Why do you refuse to see this?
He will get off of a murder charge.
I agree 100% that it isn't murder and they got greedy. They wanted a win for their mantle, not the right result. They wanted to bully him into pleading.
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I agree 100% that it isn't murder and they got greedy. They wanted a win for their mantle, not the right result. They wanted to bully him into pleading.
Which didn't work, so he is most likely going to walk.
Understand... I TOTALLY wanted him charged. I just wanted him charged with the appropriate crime.
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Which didn't work, so he is most likely going to walk.
Understand... I TOTALLY wanted him charged. I just wanted him charged with the appropriate crime.
Which didn't work, so he is most likely going to walk.
Understand... I TOTALLY wanted him charged. I just wanted him charged with the appropriate crime.
Possibly - but people are people... and it's definitely not a sure thing with the jury. Juries PUNISH people.. they don't always follow law. Six women, one dead junior in high school, one fat man with a violent history (an alleged wifebeater!) still living.
If the jury was made of getbiggers, I'm sure he walks. But I can't be so sure here.
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Possibly - but people are people... and it's definitely not a sure thing with the jury. Juries PUNISH people.. they don't always follow law. Six women, one dead junior in high school, one fat man with a violent history (an alleged wifebeater!) still living.
If the jury was made of getbiggers, I'm sure he walks. But I can't be so sure here.
Getbiggers are just a small group of what the normal world looks like.
I am not saying he can't be found guilty, of course he can, but I see it as highly unlikely at this point.
Nothing to sentence him to Murder has come out.
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Getbiggers are just a small group of what the normal world looks like.
I am not saying he can't be found guilty, of course he can, but I see it as highly unlikely at this point.
Nothing to sentence him to Murder has come out.
This. He's going to be convicted but then again it's Florida. Casey Anthony walked.
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the lead detective disagrees with you on this.
Day 2, the top cop no longer playing defense lapdog. He said zimm hung up and went fwd to confront trayvon, and DID NOT head back to his truck as stated.
He's credible, because ya loved him yesterday, but this is a big lie for zimm to tell, whether he was retreating or continuing his advance on trayvon.
O Rly?
Investigator: Zimmerman was telling the truth
By Amanda Sloane and Graham Winch
updated 2:51 PM EDT, Tue July 02, 2013
The lead investigator in the George Zimmerman case took the stand again on Tuesday to answer questions from the former neighborhood watch captain's defense team.
Zimmerman is charged with second-degree murder for killing 17-year-old Trayvon Martin in Sanford, Florida, on February 26, 2012. Zimmerman told police he was pursuing the teenager because there had been a rash of crime in the area. A confrontation ensued, and Zimmerman said he was forced to kill Martin.
Chris Serino, the lead investigator in the case, had some tough questions for Zimmerman during their second interview together. Serino played Zimmerman's non-emergency call to police, pointing out a specific time where he says it would have taken Zimmerman a minute and 20 seconds to return to his car.
"You're in the rain getting wet… you see where the obstacle is here? I want you to think about that. I'm speaking for you... it doesn't sound like you quite recall exactly what happened at that point,” said Serino in the interview, which was played for jurors Monday. "It sounds like you're looking for him... you want to catch the bad guy. '[Expletive] punk can’t get away'... Did you pursue this kid? Did you want to catch him?"
"No," said Zimmerman.
While Serino admitted there were minor inconsistencies in Zimmerman's statements, he said this is normal because people aren't robots. He also testified that he believed Zimmerman was telling the truth, especially after Serino bluffed that Martin's cell phone may have captured video of the incident.
"I believe [Zimmerman’s] words were, 'Thank God, I was hoping somebody would videotape it,'" said Serino. "Either he was telling the truth or he was a complete pathological liar. One of the two."
"You think he was telling the truth?" asked defense attorney Mark O'Mara during his cross-examination.
"Yes," said Serino.
http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/07/02/george-zimmerman-trial-trayvon-martin-day-7?hpt=hp_t2
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Criminally negligent homicide
It occurs where death results from serious negligence, or, in some jurisdictions, serious recklessness. A high degree of negligence is required to warrant criminal liability. A related concept is that of willful blindness, which is where a defendant intentionally puts himself in a position where he will be unaware of facts which would render him liable.
What evidence do you think supports this?
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What evidence do you think supports this?
It was the only thing I could come up with. I said if I had to think of something. I'm not sure he's guilty of anything other than stupidity.
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What evidence do you think supports this?
I agree w criminal negligence on this case since once the 911 operator told him to let it go and he took it on himself, he acted in a fashion not reasonable under the circumstances.
But negligence is not murder, or even manslaughter for that matter.
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It was the only thing I could come up with. I said if I had to think of something. I'm not sure he's guilty of anything other than stupidity.
Thanks. The way things are going for the prosecution, they will most likely ask the judge for a manslaughter instruction for the jury. But there was no manslaughter if he was acting in self defense.
I don't think Zimmerman is guilty of anything except trying to protect his neighborhood. And given what we have learned about Martin, he was absolutely right to be suspicious of that kid.
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I agree w criminal negligence on this case since once the 911 operator told him to let it go and he took it on himself, he acted in a fashion not reasonable under the circumstances.
But negligence is not murder, or even manslaughter for that matter.
Where is the evidence that he continued to follow Martin after they told him he didn't need to?
Even if we assume he did, how is that negligent?
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Where is the evidence that he continued to follow Martin after they told him he didn't need to?
Even if we assume he did, how is that negligent?
The only way Zimm is completely free of anything to do w this mess is if Trayvon attacked Zimm as soon as Zimm got out of the car and asked him what he was doing there. Just my .02 since Zimm had no evidence Trayvon was actively fleeing a crime scene or the like.
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It's definitely not Murder two.
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The only way Zimm is completely free of anything to do w this mess is if Trayvon attacked Zimm as soon as Zimm got out of the car and asked him what he was doing there. Just my .02 since Zimm had no evidence Trayvon was actively fleeing a crime scene or the like.
What if he approached Martin and asked him what he was doing in the neighborhood? That's not a crime either.
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It's definitely not Murder two.
Definitely not.
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What if he approached Martin and asked him what he was doing in the neighborhood? That's not a crime either.
Correct - that to me is where the fogginess of this is
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Correct - that to me is where the fogginess of this is
That's what is the big unknown for me. I think people are putting to much emphasis on Zimmerman following Martin . The fact that we will never know who started the physical confrontation leaves a lot of room for reasonable doubt.
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The prosecution has been trying to build its case on unimportant "inconsistencies" in Zimmerman's story. They just had a medical expert on the stand who said his head only hit the concrete possibly once. Maybe more. Who the heck cares if it was two or three or ten? Banging the back of your head on the concrete once, hard enough to cause an injury, can make you disoriented.
They also tried to minimize the severity of his broken nose. Seriously? If you've ever been hit in the nose you know how painful it can be and what it does to your eyes.
They were actually trying to point how how his story about what Martin said changed, because he Zimmerman claimed Martin said "you're going to die tonight homie," as opposed to "you're going to die tonight MF." Silly.
Meanwhile, zero evidence of murder. Zero evidence that he didn't act in self-defense.
The entire prosecution of this man is an abuse of the system. One of the most powerful tools in this country is the discretion of a prosecutor to decide whether or not to bring criminal charges against someone. Pretty scary how one person can subject someone to what could be a life sentence in a situation like this.
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Agreed 100% - this is why I have come to utterly hate and detest cops, prosecutors, etc.
The prosecution has been trying to build its case on unimportant "inconsistencies" in Zimmerman's story. They just had a medical expert on the stand who said his head only hit the concrete possibly once. Maybe more. Who the heck cares if it was two or three or ten? Banging the back of your head on the concrete once, hard enough to cause an injury, can make you disoriented.
They also tried to minimize the severity of his broken nose. Seriously? If you've ever been hit in the nose you know how painful it can be and what it does to your eyes.
They were actually trying to point how how his story about what Martin said changed, because he Zimmerman claimed Martin said "you're going to die tonight homie," as opposed to "you're going to die tonight MF." Silly.
Meanwhile, zero evidence of murder. Zero evidence that he didn't act in self-defense.
The entire prosecution of this man is an abuse of the system. One of the most powerful tools in this country is the discretion of a prosecutor to decide whether or not to bring criminal charges against someone. Pretty scary how one person can subject someone to what could be a life sentence in a situation like this.
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The prosecution has been trying to build its case on unimportant "inconsistencies" in Zimmerman's story. They just had a medical expert on the stand who said his head only hit the concrete possibly once. Maybe more. Who the heck cares if it was two or three or ten? Banging the back of your head on the concrete once, hard enough to cause an injury, can make you disoriented.
They also tried to minimize the severity of his broken nose. Seriously? If you've ever been hit in the nose you know how painful it can be and what it does to your eyes.
They were actually trying to point how how his story about what Martin said changed, because he Zimmerman claimed Martin said "you're going to die tonight homie," as opposed to "you're going to die tonight MF." Silly.
Meanwhile, zero evidence of murder. Zero evidence that he didn't act in self-defense.
The entire prosecution of this man is an abuse of the system. One of the most powerful tools in this country is the discretion of a prosecutor to decide whether or not to bring criminal charges against someone. Pretty scary how one person can subject someone to what could be a life sentence in a situation like this.
And you know its solely because of all the media attention.
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And you know its solely because of all the media attention.
Yep. Social pressure too. Remember this resolution from Florida Congresswoman Frederica Wilson?
“We all know the tragic circumstances surrounding his murder: Trayvon was racially profiled, chased, made to fight for his life, and ultimately murdered. Yet we as a nation have yet to take substantive action to stop such a heartbreaking incident from happening again. Enough is enough: We as a nation have buried too many young black boys. Let’s set Congress on course to address the underlying causes behind the crisis that Trayvon’s death symbolizes. Let’s take action to stop racial profiling and give our people a chance to succeed.”
http://thegrio.com/2013/02/05/florida-congresswoman-introduces-resolution-honoring-trayvon-martin/
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Yep. Social pressure too. Remember this resolution from Florida Congresswoman Frederica Wilson?
“We all know the tragic circumstances surrounding his murder: Trayvon was racially profiled, chased, made to fight for his life, and ultimately murdered. Yet we as a nation have yet to take substantive action to stop such a heartbreaking incident from happening again. Enough is enough: We as a nation have buried too many young black boys. Let’s set Congress on course to address the underlying causes behind the crisis that Trayvon’s death symbolizes. Let’s take action to stop racial profiling and give our people a chance to succeed.”
http://thegrio.com/2013/02/05/florida-congresswoman-introduces-resolution-honoring-trayvon-martin/
Like a bunch of hungry zombies..
I remember listening to a radio show last year talking about how this story wasn't taken seriously; it was just being viewed as another typical murder. It wasn't until some extreme redio stations were playing the 911 call over the air frequently did it start getting a bunch of attention. Now these Zombie politicians are whoring themselves out on it.
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Like a bunch of hungry zombies..
I remember listening to a radio show last year talking about how this story wasn't taken seriously; it was just being viewed as another typical murder. It wasn't until some extreme redio stations were playing the 911 call over the air frequently did it start getting a bunch of attention. Now these Zombie politicians are whoring themselves out on it.
Yep. I also think we're going to see a reaction after the verdict similar to the OJ aftermath that is broken down largely along racial lines. It's unfortunate, because this case shouldn't be about race. And the only person who injected race into this situation was Martin.
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Yep. I also think we're going to see a reaction after the verdict similar to the OJ aftermath that is broken down largely along racial lines. It's unfortunate, because this case shouldn't be about race. And the only person who injected race into this situation was Martin.
And Obama
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Yep. I also think we're going to see a reaction after the verdict similar to the OJ aftermath that is broken down largely along racial lines. It's unfortunate, because this case shouldn't be about race. And the only person who injected race into this situation was Martin.
And the Al Sharptons of the world
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True. The race hustlers have been all over this, but was referring to the person who injected race into the situation on the night of the shooting.
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True. The race hustlers have been all over this, but was referring to the person who injected race into the situation on the night of the shooting.
Isn't it the defense making an issue of race by asking about the cracker comment
creepy ass cracker to be exact
who gives a shit either way
Race is a total non-issue in this case
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Isn't it the defense making an issue of race by asking about the cracker comment
creepy ass cracker to be exact
who gives a shit either way
Race is a total non-issue in this case
Not according to O-TWINK
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Not according to O-TWINK
who is O-Twink?
your new boyfriend?
Is this case pillow talk for you two
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Isn't it the defense making an issue of race by asking about the cracker comment
creepy ass cracker to be exact
who gives a shit either way
Race is a total non-issue in this case
Are you saying its not being made into a race issue by some in the media and politics?
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Are you saying its not being made into a race issue by some in the media and politics?
maybe - I haven't watched much of it but the media loves to talk about race whenever they can but it's a non-issue in the actual case
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maybe - I haven't watched much of it but the media loves to talk about race whenever they can but it's a non-issue in the actual case
I haven't followed the case's details too much since the trial began, So the Prosecution isn't trying to make it a racially motivated incident?
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I haven't followed the case's details too much since the trial began, So the Prosecution isn't trying to make it a racially motivated incident?
I'm not aware that they are but I'm not following it much either
the only "race" stuff that I saw was the defense asking the woman who was talking to Martin on the phone about the "cracker" comment
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I'm not aware that they are but I'm not following it much either
the only "race" stuff that I saw was the defense asking the woman who was talking to Martin on the phone about the "cracker" comment
And you missed OTWINK's comment I take it?
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I haven't followed the case's details too much since the trial began, So the Prosecution isn't trying to make it a racially motivated incident?
Yes. If you read the comments leading up the charge, it was largely about race. The affidavit charging Zimmerman accused him of profiling Martin. That was clearly referring to race, although once the trial started and they had zero evidence of racial profiling, they said Martin was profiled based on his age and clothing, which is a really dumb argument.
They also got prior 911 calls admitted where Zimmerman called about other black guys. They're not going to expressly argue he profiled those guys on race. It will just be the elephant in the room.
What's interesting is the entire Martin team stepped away from the race angle after the girlfriend confirmed it was Martin who referred to Zimmerman using the N word and called him a "creepy a@@ cracker." That is testimony that came out on direct from the prosecutors.
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I'm not aware that they are but I'm not following it much either
the only "race" stuff that I saw was the defense asking the woman who was talking to Martin on the phone about the "cracker" comment
There was an article detailing how the prosecution. was trying push the racial profiling angle, but when that failed they moved to just profiling.
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I have to admit that if I saw a black guy in my all white neighborhood I'd wonder what he was doing. My thought would be hes possibly a thug but most likely a jahovas witness, which is worse.
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And you missed OTWINK's comment I take it?
I don't even know your boyfriend so how would I hear his comments
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Today's summary. Didn't know there was a latent print on Zimmerman's gun.
No ‘active deception’ from Zimmerman, says cop
Amanda Sloane and Graham Winch
updated 5:28 PM EDT, Tue July 02, 2013
Jurors in the George Zimmerman trial got to hear his story again Tuesday, this time from Chris Serino, the lead investigator in the case, and Zimmerman’s best friend, Mark Osterman.
On the trial’s seventh day, both of them recounted the story told to them by Zimmerman with minor variations -- but no big inconsistencies.
Zimmerman, a former neighborhood watch captain, is charged with second-degree murder for killing 17-year-old Travyon Martin in Sanford, Florida, on Feb. 26, 2012. Zimmerman told police he was pursuing the teenager throughout the neighborhood because there had been a series of break-ins in the area. The two fought, and Zimmerman said he was forced to draw his gun and kill Martin in self-defense.
Serino said he felt Zimmerman exaggerated the number of times he was hit that night -- but said he didn’t feel any “active deception” on Zimmerman’s part when he said he got out his vehicle while pursuing Martin to see what street he was on.
Osterman, who wrote a book about the case, said that when he took Zimmerman home from the police station after the shooting, Zimmerman wasn’t acting like himself. “He had a stunned look on his face. Wide-eyed, just kind of a little bit detached,” Osterman said on the stand Tuesday.
In a win for the prosecution, Judge Debra Nelson started off the day by asking jurors to dismiss Serino’s earlier testimony in which he said he believed Zimmerman was being truthful about what happened the night he shot Martin.
The court reporter read the exchange between defense attorney Mark O’Mara and Serino, a detective with the Sanford Police Department.
"So if we were to take pathological liar off the table as a possibility, you think he [Zimmerman] was telling the truth?" asked O'Mara.
"Yes," said Serino.
The judge told jurors to dismiss the question and the answer, telling them it was an improper statement made by the witness about Zimmerman’s credibility.
On his second day on the stand, Serino was asked by prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda if he thought Zimmerman was profiling Martin.
"If I were to believe that somebody was committing a crime, could that not be profiling that person?" asked de la Rionda.
"It could be construed as such, yes," said Serino.
"Was there any evidence that Trayvon Martin was committing a crime that evening, sir?" asked de la Rionda.
"No sir," said Serino.
"Was there any evidence that that young man was armed?" asked de la Rionda.
"No sir," said Serino.
The prosecutor also wanted to know Serino’s thoughts on the language Zimmerman used in his non-emergency call to police when he said, “these [expletive] punks always get away.”
"Is that something you would use in reference to somebody that you're going to invite over to dinner?" asked de la Rionda.
"No sir, I would not," said Serino.
"Does that seem like a friendly comment about somebody else?" asked de la Rionda.
"No sir, it does not," said Serino.
Serino also agreed that calling someone "[expletive] punks" is ill will and spite. To prove second-degree murder, prosecutors have to show Zimmerman acted with a “depraved mind” without regard for human life.
The prosecutor then started to dig into some of the details of Zimmerman’s statement on the shooting to police, asking Serino about inconsistencies.
Serino said there was evidence to suggest that Zimmerman was still following Martin after the non-emergency operator told him not to. And Serino said red flags were raised for him when Zimmerman didn’t know the names of the streets in his neighborhood, because there are only three.
However, Serino also said that he didn’t feel there was “active deception” on Zimmerman’s part when he said he didn’t know where he was and had to get out of his vehicle to look at a street sign.
In regards to the fight that allegedly ensued between Zimmerman and Martin, Serino also said Zimmerman’s nose may have been bleeding back into his mouth, which could explain why Martin didn’t have blood on his hands. And he agreed with O’Mara that the purported smothering of Zimmerman by Martin could have happened only momentarily, perhaps not long enough to be heard on the 911 call made by a neighbor.
When questioned again by the prosecution, Serino admitted that he was speculating on the details of how the fight played out.
The last witness to take the stand before court recessed for lunch was Mark Osterman, who called Zimmerman “the best friend I’ve ever had.”
Osterman has worked in law enforcement for more than 20 years and said he’s the one who helped Zimmerman purchase his gun. "He asked whether he should or shouldn't -- to start with -- and I recommended that he should. Anybody who's a non-convicted felon should carry a firearm. The police aren't always there," said Osterman.
Osterman also recounted the story of the shooting that Zimmerman told him. He said that as the two scuffled, Zimmerman’s jacket came up, potentially exposing his gun to Martin. Osterman said Zimmerman was mostly focused on Martin’s hands, which he said were keeping him from breathing.
"It was critical. He was losing oxygen. He felt he was not able to breathe. That's why he was desperate to clear an airway," said Osterman.
Osterman said Zimmerman felt Martin grab either his gun or the holster.
"That’s when he had to -- he freed one of his hands and got the gun. He either broke contact or knocked Trayvon’s hand away, and then he drew it," said Osterman.
Osterman said Zimmerman shot Martin, crawled out from under him, holstered his weapon, got on Martin’s back and held his arms out, pinning them down.
But a photograph snapped by a neighbor shows Martin’s hands under his body. Osterman said he wasn’t aware of this fact.
Martin died of a single gunshot wound to the chest.
Wednesday afternoon, prosecutors called Dr. Valerie Rao, chief medical examiner for Duval County, Florida, to the stand to discuss the injuries Zimmerman allegedly sustained the night of the shooting.
Rao said the injuries to the back of Zimmerman's head were not consistent with being repeatedly slammed onto concrete. She said his head may have hit concrete one or maybe two times.
The doctor also said Zimmerman's facial injuries could have been created with one blow to the face, an assessment that seemingly contradicts what Zimmerman said in an interview with Fox's Sean Hannity that aired on July 18, 2012. The interview was played for the jury before Rao took the stand. Zimmerman told Hannity that Martin may have hit him the face a dozen times.
Rao said Zimmerman's injuries were "small" and "insignificant." He did not require any sutures, and he only seemed to need Band-Aids, according to Rao.
After Rao finished her testimony, prosecutors called Sanford police latent print analyst Kristen Bentsen to the stand. Bentsen said no useable fingerprint or palm print was recovered from Zimmerman's firearm. This evidence could contradict Zimmerman's claim that Martin grabbed his gun.
O'Mara asked Bentsen if environmental factors like rain can damage latent prints, and she replied “Yes.” It was raining periodically the night of the shooting, and the rain may have impacted what fingerprints were left on the gun.
Court ended early Tuesday to give attorneys time to prepare their arguments for a hearing regarding the admissibility of evidence of Zimmerman's interest in the criminal justice field, including his course work pursuing a criminal justice degree, his rejected application to become a police officer and his request to do a ride along with police.
Prosecutor Rich Mantei argued the evidence is relevant, because it proves Zimmerman wanted to catch bad guys, and it may show that Zimmerman knew what to say to law enforcement when they arrived at the scene.
Attorneys will present their arguments outside the presence of the jury when court resumes Wednesday morning at 8:30 a.m. ET.
http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/07/02/george-zimmerman-trial-trayvon-martin-day-7?hpt=hp_t2
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I agree w criminal negligence on this case since once the 911 operator told him to let it go and he took it on himself, he acted in a fashion not reasonable under the circumstances.
I've heard that claim before - that the 911 operator told him to let it go and/or not follow. That's not true. When Zimmerman replied he was following him, the 911 operator said "we don't need you to do that." This, to me anyways, isn't the same as saying "don't follow him."
If I call my girlfriend and say: "I am getting a pizza on my way back" then "I don't need you to do that" is very different from "I don't want you to do that" or "don't do that." The "I don't need you to do that" takes no position on whether I should or shouldn't get pizza. The other answers do.
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I'm not aware that they are but I'm not following it much either
the only "race" stuff that I saw was the defense asking the woman who was talking to Martin on the phone about the "cracker" comment
If you are not following it much how do you know race isn't being used an an issue in this case?
Its sounds like its being attempted or suggested:
Yes. If you read the comments leading up the charge, it was largely about race. The affidavit charging Zimmerman accused him of profiling Martin. That was clearly referring to race, although once the trial started and they had zero evidence of racial profiling, they said Martin was profiled based on his age and clothing, which is a really dumb argument.
They also got prior 911 calls admitted where Zimmerman called about other black guys. They're not going to expressly argue he profiled those guys on race. It will just be the elephant in the room.
What's interesting is the entire Martin team stepped away from the race angle after the girlfriend confirmed it was Martin who referred to Zimmerman using the N word and called him a "creepy a@@ cracker." That is testimony that came out on direct from the prosecutors.
That being said, the prosecutors are NOT suggesting race as a motivation but instead profiling?
So if it was a white guy in a hoody Zimmerman would have followed him too?
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They really have no evidence for murder 2. You can tell that by the prosecutions entire case revolving around arguing that Zimmerman is a pathological liar with malicious intent. It's kind of insane that the judge would tell the jury to disregard the detectives statement that he believed Zimmerman was telling the truth.
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If you are not following it much how do you know race isn't being used an an issue in this case?
Its sounds like its being attempted or suggested:
That being said, the prosecutors are NOT suggesting race as a motivation but instead profiling?
So if it was a white guy in a hoody Zimmerman would have followed him too?
I said race is not an issue i.e. it has nothing to do with this case (in my opinion)
Zimmerman did appear to be profiling and had something like 40+ calls to the cops but I think only about 5 of those calls are being submitted (I could be completely wrong about that)
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I said race is not an issue i.e. it has nothing to do with this case (in my opinion)
Zimmerman did appear to be profiling and had something like 40+ calls to the cops but I think only about 5 of those calls are being submitted (I could be completely wrong about that)
Do you think Zimmerman would have been prosecuted if everything about the victim was the same but he was white? Think about it.
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I've heard that claim before - that the 911 operator told him to let it go and/or not follow. That's not true. When Zimmerman replied he was following him, the 911 operator said "we don't need you to do that." This, to me anyways, isn't the same as saying "don't follow him."
If I call my girlfriend and say: "I am getting a pizza on my way back" then "I don't need you to do that" is very different from "I don't want you to do that" or "don't do that." The "I don't need you to do that" takes no position on whether I should or shouldn't get pizza. The other answers do.
In addition to that, they essentially told him to maintain visual contact, which is impossible if the guy walks or runs away.
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If you are not following it much how do you know race isn't being used an an issue in this case?
Its sounds like its being attempted or suggested:
That being said, the prosecutors are NOT suggesting race as a motivation but instead profiling?
So if it was a white guy in a hoody Zimmerman would have followed him too?
They're not suggesting it directly.
Yes, that's the logical extension of their retarded argument.
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In addition to that, they essentially told him to maintain visual contact, which is impossible if the guy walks or runs away.
Can you provide the part of the 911 call transcript that has that specific request? I haven't really followed this case, and haven't read the entire transcript.
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I said race is not an issue i.e. it has nothing to do with this case (in my opinion)
Zimmerman did appear to be profiling and had something like 40+ calls to the cops but I think only about 5 of those calls are being submitted (I could be completely wrong about that)
ok i see what you are saying.
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Can you provide the part of the 911 call transcript that has that specific request? I haven't really followed this case, and haven't read the entire transcript.
http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/326700-full-transcript-zimmerman.html
They asked Zimmerman for Martin's race, age, and clothing, and said "Just let me know if he does anything ok."
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http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/326700-full-transcript-zimmerman.html
They asked Zimmerman for Martin's race, age, and clothing, and said "Just let me know if he does anything ok."
All of which Zimmerman could have provided (to varying degrees of accuracy) without needing to follow Martin; that's a pretty standard (and reasonable) question from the operator in response to a 911 call to report a suspicious person. What I don't see is "I hereby deputize you. Follow the perp, Officer Zee!" What I don't see is "Sir, I need you to follow this suspicious person until our Officers arrive on scene."
Again, I see no indication that the 911 operator asked Zimmerman to pursue Martin in any way, just like I do not see her saying "don't follow him" either.
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If they hadn't he would literally be preaching on a street corner for spare change, chasing windmills.
I think you meant to post this in the MSNBC thread about Sharpton?
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240 is this the same detective that testified that he thought zimmerman was telling the truth?
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I think you meant to post this in the MSNBC thread about Sharpton?
Oops. I did
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All of which Zimmerman could have provided (to varying degrees of accuracy) without needing to follow Martin; that's a pretty standard (and reasonable) question from the operator in response to a 911 call to report a suspicious person. What I don't see is "I hereby deputize you. Follow the perp, Officer Zee!" What I don't see is "Sir, I need you to follow this suspicious person until our Officers arrive on scene."
Again, I see no indication that the 911 operator asked Zimmerman to pursue Martin in any way, just like I do not see her saying "don't follow him" either.
I just gave you the quote. He couldn't tell them what the kid was doing without maintaining visual contact.
And there is no evidence Zimmerman acted like he was deputized, etc,.
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I just gave you the quote. He couldn't tell them what the kid was doing without maintaining visual contact.
And there is no evidence Zimmerman acted like he was deputized, etc,.
He wasn't required to tell them what he was doing. I don't interpret the 911 operator's request as "give us a blow by blow reporter Zee!" When I call 911 to report a suspicious person they ask me what age, weight, height and race the suspicious person is and what he's doing that made me think he's suspicious. That doesn't translate to "follow him."
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He wasn't required to tell them what he was doing. I don't interpret the 911 operator's request as "give us a blow by blow reporter Zee!" When I call 911 to report a suspicious person they ask me what age, weight, height and race the suspicious person is and what he's doing that made me think he's suspicious. That doesn't translate to "follow him."
He wasn't required to tell them anything. He wasn't required to give a "blow by blow." He didn't have to do anything they said, including follow or not follow, tell them if Martin does anything (the actual request), etc. The fact he was following Martin at one point is pretty meaningless.
But again, there is no evidence he continued to follow Martin after the operator said "we don't need you to do that."
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He wasn't required to tell them anything. He wasn't required to give a "blow by blow." He didn't have to do anything they said, including follow or not follow, tell them if Martin does anything (the actual request), etc. The fact he was following Martin at one point is pretty meaningless.
But again, there is no evidence he continued to follow Martin after the operator said "we don't need you to do that."
yeah, except for the little detail that if he wasn't following him then it's highly likely Martin would have continued walking home and no one would know on this board would even know these guys names
Your statement above about the "we don't need you to do that comment" is hard to understand (though I don't know all the details)
Wasn't Zim in his truck when he made that call and didn't he follow Martin after that ?
Where did the shooting take place?
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yeah, except for the little detail that if he wasn't following him then it's highly likely Martin would have continued walking home and no one would know on this board would even know these guys names
Your statement above about the "we don't need you to do that comment" is hard to understand (though I don't know all the details)
Wasn't Zim in his truck when he made that call and didn't he follow Martin after that ?
Where did the shooting take place?
I got to listen to some yesterday and today, but it's (near as I can tell) still debatable if he was following him. He claims to have gotten out of his truck to go see what street he was on (even though he's a neighborhood watch captain and lived there for 3 years).
So, I'm skeptical if Zimm is telling the truth there. But, I haven't heard any evidence proving his claim to the contrary. Might have been when I wasn't listening.
I think the jury will have to decide whether he was following or not as I don't think the prosecution can prove otherwise, but it's certainly questionable.
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yeah, except for the little detail that if he wasn't following him then it's highly likely Martin would have continued walking home and no one would know on this board would even know these guys names
Your statement above about the "we don't need you to do that comment" is hard to understand (though I don't know all the details)
Wasn't Zim in his truck when he made that call and didn't he follow Martin after that ?
Where did the shooting take place?
by the same token if trayvon hadnt run away then the incidents that happend may not have happend either.
At any rate zimmerman following trayvon isnt illegal, him approaching trayvon isnt illegal so in terms of his guilt on the murder charge it doesnt fucking matter so I dont know why you guys want to continue to focus on it.
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by the same token if trayvon hadnt run away then the incidents that happend may not have happend either.
At any rate zimmerman following trayvon isnt illegal, him approaching trayvon isnt illegal so in terms of his guilt on the murder charge it doesnt fucking matter so I dont know why you guys want to continue to focus on it.
Exactly. It doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is what happened when they came face-to-face, regardless of whether Zimmerman was following Martin, or whether Martin confronted Zimmerman.
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He wasn't required to tell them anything. He wasn't required to give a "blow by blow." He didn't have to do anything they said, including follow or not follow, tell them if Martin does anything (the actual request), etc. The fact he was following Martin at one point is pretty meaningless.
So why do you assert that the 911 operator asked him to follow Martin? The operator did no such thing. The operator expressed no position on whether Zimmerman should or shouldn't follow. Zimmerman made his own decisions.
But again, there is no evidence he continued to follow Martin after the operator said "we don't need you to do that."
As I said, I haven't followed the case closely, so I'm not up to date on all the details nor am I privy to all the evidence so I can't say whether there is or isn't. Let's say I take you at your word that there isn't though. Even then, it seems to me that unless he followed Martin after the phonecall, he would most likely not have entered into the altercation that ended up badly for both him and Martin. But that's all speculation...
Please note, I take no position on the issue nor do I think he's innocent or guilty. I simply don't know enough about the scenario. All I am saying is that it's silly to assert that people assert that operator told him (a) to follow Martin or (b) to not follow Martin. The operator did nothing of the sort.
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So why do you assert that the 911 operator asked him to follow Martin? The operator did no such thing. The operator expressed no position on whether Zimmerman should or shouldn't follow. Zimmerman made his own decisions.
As I said, I haven't followed the case closely, so I'm not up to date on all the details nor am I privy to all the evidence so I can't say whether there is or isn't. Let's say I take you at your word that there isn't though. Even then, it seems to me that unless he followed Martin after the phonecall, he would most likely not have entered into the altercation that ended up badly for both him and Martin. But that's all speculation...
Please note, I take no position on the issue nor do I think he's innocent or guilty. I simply don't know enough about the scenario. All I am saying is that it's silly to assert that people assert that operator told him (a) to follow Martin or (b) to not follow Martin. The operator did nothing of the sort.
That's not what I said. I said "they essentially told him to maintain visual contact," which is supported by the 911 transcript. I gave you the link and the quote from the link.
If you haven't been following the case you should go back through this thread. I've been posting updates/articles throughout.
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That's not what I said. I said "they essentially told him to maintain visual contact," which is supported by the 911 transcript. I gave you the link and the quote from the link.
No. No, they didn't. They asked for the description of the person whom Zimmerman was reporting as suspicious. That should not have required continued surveillance on Martin's part. After all, if he's calling to report a suspicious person he should already have this information available from when he spotted the suspicious person to begin with.
The operator expressed no opinion on whether Zimmerman should or shouldn't follow Martin, and made no request that would have required Zimmerman to follow Martin. At least that's how I read the transcript.
If you haven't been following the case you should go back through this thread. I've been posting updates/articles throughout.
I'm sorry, but this case isn't important enough to me to justify spending an hour going through the thread and reading details and reports about it. If I were on the jury, I'd feel differently (and I wouldn't be getting my information on this case from getbig either, despite this being a trusted source of news, but that's a different story).
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No. No, they didn't. They asked for the description of the person whom Zimmerman was reporting as suspicious. That should not have required continued surveillance on Martin's part. After all, if he's calling to report a suspicious person he should already have this information available from when he spotted the suspicious person to begin with.
The operator expressed no opinion on whether Zimmerman should or shouldn't follow Martin, and made no request that would have required Zimmerman to follow Martin. At least that's how I read the transcript.
I'm sorry, but this case isn't important enough to me to justify spending an hour going through the thread and reading details and reports about it. If I were on the jury, I'd feel differently (and I wouldn't be getting my information on this case from getbig either, despite this being a trusted source of news, but that's a different story).
My interpretation of "Just let me know if he does anything ok," is they wanted him to maintain visual contact. It's ok if you have a different interpretation.
I really don't care if you read through the thread. Was just offering that as a suggestion in case you did want to learn more about the case. I'm following it because it's very interesting and it's probably going to be one of those cases like OJ that has ripple effects that affect large parts of the country.
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240 is this the same detective that testified that he thought zimmerman was telling the truth?
correct. he believed zimm was credible but did have a problem with the one moment of "where were you located when you made that 911 call - and it ended"
He said zimm was at the truck, hung up, and headed headfirst into that battle - not that retreat bullshit story.
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Yep. I also think we're going to see a reaction after the verdict similar to the OJ aftermath that is broken down largely along racial lines. It's unfortunate, because this case shouldn't be about race. And the only person who injected race into this situation was Martin.
And Martin's family.
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correct. he believed zimm was credible but did have a problem with the one moment of "where were you located when you made that 911 call - and it ended"
He said zimm was at the truck, hung up, and headed headfirst into that battle - not that retreat bullshit story.
You prejudice yourself by saying Zimmerman went headfirst into battle. Even if he did intend to get into a battle, it was more like a waddled.
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And Martin's family.
And the media.
And pretty much anyone else.
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They just had Zimm's college professor on criminal procedures on the stand. He stated that Zimm was a very good student and should have known about Florida's self-defense law. He did course work on that defense law. But, in his interview with Sean Hannity, Zimm claimed he didn't know about the law.
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They just had Zimm's college professor on criminal procedures on the stand. He stated that Zimm was a very good student and should have known about Florida's self-defense law. He did course work on that defense law. But, in his interview with Sean Hannity, Zimm claimed he didn't know about the law.
Prosecution is beginning to put out their best playing cards.......Defense won't have much luck with him as he did with the Trayvon's girlfriend although they didn't score any real points neither on that.
Zimmerman doesn't have a pot to piss in but I'm interested to see what witnesses they'll put up....likely some teachers or so who'll testify about him fighting in school or something because they have 134 people on the list???
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They just had Zimm's college professor on criminal procedures on the stand. He stated that Zimm was a very good student and should have known about Florida's self-defense law. He did course work on that defense law. But, in his interview with Sean Hannity, Zimm claimed he didn't know about the law.
Doing that Hannity interview was f'ng stupid
It's amazing his lawyer let him do that
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They just had Zimm's college professor on criminal procedures on the stand. He stated that Zimm was a very good student and should have known about Florida's self-defense law. He did course work on that defense law. But, in his interview with Sean Hannity, Zimm claimed he didn't know about the law.
Zimmerman also told Hannity that he was punched "several dozen times", I believe? And the blunt force trauma expert said otherwise.
it is my belief that many people will admit he used poor judgment, "fudged" the truth on more and more of these details in his various stories - but he didn't run to MURDER anyone.
And there's always the possibility (and not a bad idea) that he wanted to goad travyon into swinging - so that the police would show up right then and arrest him. He admitted on hannity that he was yelling for the police he knew were coming. Maybe that was the plan - and not a bad one, if that gun isn't on him. Tease trayvon, figure you can hold your own with MMA skills, and then his ass goes to jail when the police you called, show up.
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by the same token if trayvon hadnt run away then the incidents that happend may not have happend either.
At any rate zimmerman following trayvon isnt illegal, him approaching trayvon isnt illegal so in terms of his guilt on the murder charge it doesnt fucking matter so I dont know why you guys want to continue to focus on it.
why was he running (was he ? I know the GF told him to run but was he running)
was he running because some creepy dude was following him
Zimmerman had no right to detain him so Martin has ever right to run or walk away and certainly his running or walking is not grounds to shoot him so suggesting the "running away" was a potential cause of this incident makes no sense
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why was he running (was he ? I know the GF told him to run but was he running)
was he running because some creepy dude was following him
Zimmerman had no right to detain him so Martin has ever right to run or walk away and certainly his running or walking is not grounds to shoot him so suggesting the "running away" was a potential cause of this incident makes no sense
Did he shoot him when he was walking away?
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Zimmerman also told Hannity that he was punched "several dozen times", I believe? And the blunt force trauma expert said otherwise.
it is my belief that many people will admit he used poor judgment, "fudged" the truth on more and more of these details in his various stories - but he didn't run to MURDER anyone.
And there's always the possibility (and not a bad idea) that he wanted to goad travyon into swinging - so that the police would show up right then and arrest him. He admitted on hannity that he was yelling for the police he knew were coming. Maybe that was the plan - and not a bad one, if that gun isn't on him. Tease trayvon, figure you can hold your own with MMA skills, and then his ass goes to jail when the police you called, show up.
it's also possible (and I'm not saying this is the case) that Martin was a gun nut/wanna be cop just itching for the opportunity to shoot someone
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Did he shoot him when he was walking away?
apparently not but we don't know if Zimmerman tried to detain Martin and he tried to get away or how the fight started
but the fact that Martin was trying to "get away" from Zimmerman is in no way a valid reason for creating this shooting incident
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Zimmerman also told Hannity that he was punched "several dozen times", I believe? And the blunt force trauma expert said otherwise.
it is my belief that many people will admit he used poor judgment, "fudged" the truth on more and more of these details in his various stories - but he didn't run to MURDER anyone.
And there's always the possibility (and not a bad idea) that he wanted to goad travyon into swinging - so that the police would show up right then and arrest him. He admitted on hannity that he was yelling for the police he knew were coming. Maybe that was the plan - and not a bad one, if that gun isn't on him. Tease trayvon, figure you can hold your own with MMA skills, and then his ass goes to jail when the police you called, show up.
The biggest thing that's going to fuck up Zimmerman is his own words....should have lawyered up, should not have gone on any TV Shows like Hannity, etc......and most importantly, should have never chased after Trayvon and shot him.
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The biggest thing that's going to fuck up Zimmerman is his own words....should have lawyered up, should not have gone on any TV Shows like Hannity, etc......and most importantly, should have never chased after Trayvon and shot him.
I was watching a show last night and a bunch of lawyers were just amazed that his lawyers let him go on Hannity though I suspect Zimmerman got a payday from it and his lawyers probably strongly advised against it and he just went for the money probably thinking at that time this would get dismissed on the "stand your ground" claim
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This interview is a disaster
the guy has no regrets, said he wouldn't do anything different and it was "gods plan" and he wouldn't want to second guess it or judge it
WTF ?
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It's going to take a miracle for Zommerman to walk.. but I hope he does just to watch the ensuing meltdown of the nation and all the excuses coming from our resident zimmerman haters
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He's probably gonna a least get man slaughter. Don't think he will get murder 1 or 2
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It's going to take a miracle for Zommerman to walk.. but I hope he does just to watch the ensuing meltdown of the nation and all the excuses coming from our resident zimmerman haters
the nation wouldn't melt down though it's weird and creepy that you would want to see that
assuming certain neighborhoods did riot ala south central after the King verdict
why would you want to see that ?
it would just be destruction of businesses and property that had nothing to do with the case
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Had they properly charged Zimm w criminally negligent homicide or even manslaughter - this case would have forced a plea.
No evidence of Murder whatsoever
Even if it was a mutual combat situation - that still is not murder
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the nation wouldn't melt down though it's weird and creepy that you would want to see that
assuming certain neighborhoods did riot ala south central after the King verdict
why would you want to see that ?
it would just be destruction of businesses and property that had nothing to do with the case
I do so that the Koreans and others can go open season on the thugs
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I do so that the Koreans and others can go open season on the thugs
yeah and I'm sure the Koreans really want to see their businesses burned down because of this stupid case
what a fucking stupid comment but just par for the course
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He's probably gonna a least get man slaughter. Don't think he will get murder 1 or 2
He can't get manslaughter... They charged him with murder and he didn't plead down.
He's gonna be NOT GUILTY and then they can't touch him.
He might get sued by the Martin family of course.
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yeah and I'm sure the Koreans really want to see their businesses burned down because of this stupid case
what a fucking stupid comment but just par for the course
That is why the Koreans are armed to the teeth and ready for battle
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That is why the Koreans are armed to the teeth and ready for battle
are there even a lot of Koreans in Florida
do you think they wish for armed battle in the streets and having their businesses and homes destroyed and maybe their family killed
you wish to see that for your own personal entertainment?
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Doing that Hannity interview was f'ng stupid
It's amazing his lawyer let him do that
The defense came back with a professor that claims that none of the courses that Zimm took covered Florida's defense laws as a mandatory reading or topic.
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are there even a lot of Koreans in Florida
do you think they wish for armed battle in the streets and having their businesses and homes destroyed and maybe their family killed
you wish to see that for your own personal entertainment?
I saw an interview with a Korean grocer after the LA riots. Someone asked him why he stayed to defend his store. He answered that he worked to hard to see his store destroyed.
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are there even a lot of Koreans in Florida
do you think they wish for armed battle in the streets and having their businesses and homes destroyed and maybe their family killed
you wish to see that for your own personal entertainment?
Yes :D :D :D
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are there even a lot of Koreans in Florida
do you think they wish for armed battle in the streets and having their businesses and homes destroyed and maybe their family killed
you wish to see that for your own personal entertainment?
I don't want to see any riots, but if the riots after the Rodney King situration is any indication, Korean businesses will not be burning down. There will be, however, a lot of people running for their lives when those Koreans start shooting.
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I don't want to see any riots, but if the riots after the Rodney King situration is any indication, Korean businesses will not be burning down. There will be, however, a lot of people running for their lives when those Koreans start shooting.
lot's of innocent people were injured and many buildings were destroyed
I know you don't wish to see that but anyone who does want to see that is a sick fuck
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are there even a lot of Koreans in Florida
do you think they wish for armed battle in the streets and having their businesses and homes destroyed and maybe their family killed
you wish to see that for your own personal entertainment?
Hell no. Especially in the central or upper parts of FL. There are a few in the Miami- Kendall area but not enough to count.
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Yes :D :D :D
typical ghetto mentality
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It's going to take a miracle for Zommerman to walk.. but I hope he does just to watch the ensuing meltdown of the nation and all the excuses coming from our resident zimmerman haters
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Getbig members have declared this case is over, that it's a sure thing he'll walk.
Do you think there is a greater than 50% chance that he's convicted?
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Getbig members have declared this case is over, that it's a sure thing he'll walk.
Do you think there is a greater than 50% chance that he's convicted?
it depends on the jurors - you never really know. Too much politics and veiled threats of violence by ghetto welfare mobs right now.
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If he is acquitted, the real winner will be society.
I think one day, when we're just out walking for cardio and some half-drunk fat prick with a 9mm on a power trip starts chasing us through the yards playing ninja, we can all have a hearty laugh and remember that should we get blasted, it's cool, because we cheered on zimmerman for that same shit.
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Getbig members have declared this case is over, that it's a sure thing he'll walk.
Do you think there is a greater than 50% chance that he's convicted?
Yes. I think that he was convicted long before he stepped into that courtroom.
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Yes. I think that he was convicted long before he stepped into that courtroom.
wow, you think he'll be guilty? you're one of the few around here :)
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it depends on the jurors - you never really know. Too much politics and veiled threats of violence by ghetto welfare mobs right now.
I think the case is decent one for mansualughter, and if the DA hadn't gone 'all or nothing' with the 25 years or acquittal... well, I think they got greedy.. manslaughter would have been a foregone conclusion.
But yeah, it depends on the jury. It's not made of getbiggers. It's females raised in the sanford school system, and if one feels strongly and convinces the other "this shooter must be punished or he'll be back on streets doing the same thing again..."
Well, you're right. it all depends.
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Getbig members have declared this case is over, that it's a sure thing he'll walk.
Do you think there is a greater than 50% chance that he's convicted?
I'll give you my unsolicited answer. He will be convicted...of something.
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wow, you think he'll be guilty? you're one of the few around here :)
I think he should walk from a murder 2 charge. He dis not commit murder. However, I think he's going to be convicted. I think people are going to have a hard time looking at this case without bias after all the media did to convict him before the trial began.
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Whatever happens I'm sure Zimmerman will think it's God's plan and won't want to judge it or second guess it and we know he won't have any regrets
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I think he should walk from a murder 2 charge. He dis not commit murder. However, I think he's going to be convicted. I think people are going to have a hard time looking at this case without bias after all the media did to convict him before the trial began.
The left media hated zimmerman.
the right media? LOL quite the opposite. FOX has been demonizing trayvon just as bad as msnbc has been traching zimmerman. I watch both, so anyone who doesn't watch both who claims otherwise doesn't really know what they're talking about.
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I'll give you my unsolicited answer. He will be convicted...of something.
Definitely a possibility.
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The left media hated zimmerman.
the right media? LOL quite the opposite. FOX has been demonizing trayvon just as bad as msnbc has been traching zimmerman. I watch both, so anyone who doesn't watch both who claims otherwise doesn't really know what they're talking about.
I watch both. You are a lying liar.
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Pretty boring day.
Witness: Zimmerman knew self-defense laws
By Amanda Sloane and Graham Winch
updated 4:14 PM EDT, Wed July 03, 2013
Prosecutors in the George Zimmerman trial called several witnesses Wednesday to help support their assertion that the former neighborhood watch captain was a "wannabe cop" who well knew Florida's self-defense and "Stand Your Ground" laws.
Records admitted into evidence on the eighth day of testimony included a letter rejecting Zimmerman’s application to be a police officer in Virginia in 2009 because of his credit issues. A release form filed with the Sanford Police Department lists Zimmerman’s reason for wanting to ride along with them as, “solidify my chances of a career in law enforcement.” Records also indicate Zimmerman applied for a diploma in criminal justice in 2011 at Seminole State College in Florida.
Zimmerman is charged with second-degree murder for killing 17-year-old Trayvon Martin in Sanford, Florida, on February 26, 2012. Zimmerman told police that the teenager looked suspicious and that there had been several break-ins in the neighborhood. The two got into a physical altercation and Zimmerman said he was forced to draw his gun and kill Martin in self-defense.
Protests were held around the country when it looked like Zimmerman wasn’t going to be arrested for Martin’s death. Zimmerman was eventually charged with second-degree murder in April 2012. The case has reinvigorated national conversations about race, racial profiling and self-defense laws.
The instructor who taught Zimmerman’s criminal litigation class testified Wednesday that he covered Florida’s self-defense laws extensively, even though there was no mention of them in the course book. "It's not one of those things that you're just going to whisk through in a day,” said Alexis Carter, who is now a military prosecutor.
The testimony seemed to counter a key claim that Zimmerman made last year in a Fox News interview that was replayed in court: that he didn’t know about Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” laws until after the shooting.
Self-defense laws were “something that I constantly iterated ... it was something that I think the students really wanted to know about, it was so practical, they were very much engaged in class discussion," Carter said. He called Zimmerman “one of the better students” in his class and said he gave him an A. He also said he taught his students about “imperfect self-defense,” which he said means “the force that you are encountering, you meet that force disproportionately -- excess force. Like a gunshot."
Prosecutors say that while evidence showing that Zimmerman wanted to be a cop isn’t “bad,” they hope it will give jurors some insight into his thought process the night he shot and killed Martin. They also suggest that his studies in criminal justice show Zimmerman knew how to testify and talk to police.
Scott Pleasants, another Seminole State College teacher, testified Wednesday via webcam about the criminal investigations class in which he taught Zimmerman. He says that while the course book covered profiling and how to testify as a witness, they never actually discussed it in class. A bizarre moment occurred when several Skype users started flooding prosecutor Richard Mantei’s account with calls. "There's a really good chance we're being toyed with," defense attorney Mark O'Mara said. Pleasants was able to resume his testimony via speakerphone and proceedings continued.
A firearms expert with the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, Amy Siewert, examined Zimmerman’s gun and said he had one bullet ready to fire in the chamber as well as a fully loaded magazine when he fatally shot Martin.
"They’re not much use if they’re not ready to fire, are they?" asked O'Mara.
"No," said Siewert.
The defense got her to agree that many law enforcement agents carry fully loaded weapons that are ready to fire. Siewert also showed jurors how the gun wouldn’t fire accidentally -- the trigger has to be pulled. But Siewert wouldn’t go so far as to call the loaded gun “safe,” saying it’s a matter of personal preference.
http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/07/03/george-zimmerman-trial-trayvon-martin-day-8?hpt=hp_t2
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They just had Zimm's college professor on criminal procedures on the stand. He stated that Zimm was a very good student and should have known about Florida's self-defense law. He did course work on that defense law. But, in his interview with Sean Hannity, Zimm claimed he didn't know about the law.
Zimmerman said he had never heard of "stand your ground." The witness said "stand your ground" is not in the books. It's how that portion of the law is described.
He also said you don't have to be injured to use deadly force, which really undercuts the testimony from the doctor yesterday who said Zimmerman's injuries were minor.
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Prosecution is beginning to put out their best playing cards.......Defense won't have much luck with him as he did with the Trayvon's girlfriend although they didn't score any real points neither on that.
Zimmerman doesn't have a pot to piss in but I'm interested to see what witnesses they'll put up....likely some teachers or so who'll testify about him fighting in school or something because they have 134 people on the list???
Are you watching the trial?
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why was he running (was he ? I know the GF told him to run but was he running)
was he running because some creepy dude was following him
Zimmerman had no right to detain him so Martin has ever right to run or walk away and certainly his running or walking is not grounds to shoot him so suggesting the "running away" was a potential cause of this incident makes no sense
martin ran before zimmerman got out of his car
you have absolutely no proof zimmerman tried to detain martin so lets deal with facts there....
zimmerman following trayvon = NOT ILLEGAL
zimmerman questioning trayvon = NOT ILLEGAL
so the facts we have show that zimmerman didnt do ANYTHING ILLEGAL
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apparently not but we don't know if Zimmerman tried to detain Martin and he tried to get away or how the fight started
but the fact that Martin was trying to "get away" from Zimmerman is in no way a valid reason for creating this shooting incident
the creation of the incident lies with BOTH PARTIES....
AND UP TO THE PHYSICAL CONTACT IT IS IRRELEVANT IN THE MURDER 2 CHARGE!!!!
I dont know why you morons cant seem to understand this and keep bringing it up
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The left media hated zimmerman.
the right media? LOL quite the opposite. FOX has been demonizing trayvon just as bad as msnbc has been traching zimmerman. I watch both, so anyone who doesn't watch both who claims otherwise doesn't really know what they're talking about.
LOL posting up to date pictures and giving the actual information is demonizing trayvon?
LMFAO youre such a tool
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the creation of the incident lies with BOTH PARTIES....
AND UP TO THE PHYSICAL CONTACT IT IS IRRELEVANT IN THE MURDER 2 CHARGE!!!!
I dont know why you morons cant seem to understand this and keep bringing it up
there is no way to know if that is true or not
all we have is the account of a proven liar
we have no way of knowing if Martin was just trying to get away and Zimmerman tried to stop him or if Zimmerman even started the confrontation
we do know if Zimmerman had stayed in the truck that neither you nor I would know the name of either of these guys today
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there is no way to know if that is true or not
all we have is the account of a proven liar
we have no way of knowing if Martin was just trying to get away and Zimmerman tried to stop him or if Zimmerman even started the confrontation
we do know if Zimmerman had stayed in the truck that neither you nor I would know the name of either of these guys today
not at all trayvons jabba the hut GF said he confronted zimmerman.....
there was no reason for trayvon to run away, if he had not done so zimmerman wouldnt have gotten out of his truck to follow him....
your being biased and not looking at both parties role in the shit storm that happened.
yes zimmerman is a moron, trayvon was as well...
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I'll give you my unsolicited answer. He will be convicted...of something.
Ha...agreed.
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not at all trayvons jabba the hut GF said he confronted zimmerman.....
there was no reason for trayvon to run away, if he had not done so zimmerman wouldnt have gotten out of his truck to follow him....
your being biased and not looking at both parties role in the shit storm that happened.
yes zimmerman is a moron, trayvon was as well...
doesn't mean he started the fight
he just asked the creepy weird dude why he was following him
from that point no one knows what happened
If Zimmerman had not been following him then Martin would not have asked him why are you following me (or whatever it is he said)
BTW - Zimmerman is being exposed more and more each day as a pathological liar and having no remorse and believing that what happened was "gods plan" is down right creepy
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CNN
Prosecutors in the George Zimmerman trial presented evidence of DNA test results to the jury Wednesday that may contradict the former neighborhood watch captain's story of how Trayvon Martin died.
Anthony Gorgone, DNA lab analyst for the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, methodically walked the jury through the results from his DNA testing of Zimmerman's gun, the clothing both individuals wore the night of the shooting, and scrapings from Martin's finger nails.
Zimmerman did not show any emotion as the Gorgone gave his testimony, but it appeared he was paying close attention.
Zimmerman is charged with second-degree murder for killing 17-year-old Martin in Sanford, Florida, on February 26, 2012. Zimmerman told police that the teenager looked suspicious and that there had been several break-ins in the neighborhood. The two got into a physical altercation and Zimmerman said he was forced to draw his gun and kill Martin in self-defense.
Protests were held around the country when it appeared Zimmerman wasn’t going to be arrested for Martin’s death. Zimmerman was eventually charged with second-degree murder in April of 2012. The case has reinvigorated national conversations about race, racial profiling and self-defense laws.
Gorgone testified Wednesday that he only found Zimmerman's DNA on the gun he used to shoot Martin, and did not find any of Martin's DNA on the gun. Zimmerman's holster only tested positive for Zimmerman's DNA as well. The lack of Martin's DNA on the gun and the holster may contradict Zimmerman's claim that Martin grabbed his gun during the altercation.
Gorgone testified that testing of Martin's hooded jacket that he was wearing as an outer layer the night of shooting did not yield much of Zimmerman's DNA. Only one stain on Martin's hooded jacket yielded a partial DNA profile that matched Zimmerman. This may challenge the claim Zimmerman and Martin were in fight for their lives, if only a minimal amount of Zimmerman's skin or blood transferred to Martin's outer clothing. Scrapings from under Martin's fingernails yielded none of Zimmerman's DNA.
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CNN
Prosecutors in the George Zimmerman trial presented evidence of DNA test results to the jury Wednesday that may contradict the former neighborhood watch captain's story of how Trayvon Martin died.
Anthony Gorgone, DNA lab analyst for the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, methodically walked the jury through the results from his DNA testing of Zimmerman's gun, the clothing both individuals wore the night of the shooting, and scrapings from Martin's finger nails.
Zimmerman did not show any emotion as the Gorgone gave his testimony, but it appeared he was paying close attention.
Zimmerman is charged with second-degree murder for killing 17-year-old Martin in Sanford, Florida, on February 26, 2012. Zimmerman told police that the teenager looked suspicious and that there had been several break-ins in the neighborhood. The two got into a physical altercation and Zimmerman said he was forced to draw his gun and kill Martin in self-defense.
Protests were held around the country when it appeared Zimmerman wasn’t going to be arrested for Martin’s death. Zimmerman was eventually charged with second-degree murder in April of 2012. The case has reinvigorated national conversations about race, racial profiling and self-defense laws.
Gorgone testified Wednesday that he only found Zimmerman's DNA on the gun he used to shoot Martin, and did not find any of Martin's DNA on the gun. Zimmerman's holster only tested positive for Zimmerman's DNA as well. The lack of Martin's DNA on the gun and the holster may contradict Zimmerman's claim that Martin grabbed his gun during the altercation.
Gorgone testified that testing of Martin's hooded jacket that he was wearing as an outer layer the night of shooting did not yield much of Zimmerman's DNA. Only one stain on Martin's hooded jacket yielded a partial DNA profile that matched Zimmerman. This may challenge the claim Zimmerman and Martin were in fight for their lives, if only a minimal amount of Zimmerman's skin or blood transferred to Martin's outer clothing. Scrapings from under Martin's fingernails yielded none of Zimmerman's DNA.
Now THIS testimony is quite hurting to his defense.
Definitely will sway some jury members.
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only a fucking moron believes zimmerman was punched a dozen times. only a moron believes he was "smothered".
You might believe trayvon started the fight and deserved to be capped- but does ANYONE on getbig believe zimmerman didn't exagerate shit?
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The biased slant of the American media magnifies the leap of faith required to take the Prosecutions case seriously.
The qualifier "may" is sprinkled in all key areas of the press release. Bottom line is that it doesn't mean jack shit. The eye witness testimony fits the version of events given by Zimmerman. Whether some DNA or no DNA or tons of DNA were found on the jacket, in the bushes, on the gun or in the grass, it doesn't prove or disprove anything. Is anyone going to seriously argue that the beating Zimmerman took was self inflicted and that the only eyewitness lied about what he saw?
DNA doesn't have any bearing on the outcome of this case IMO. He either shot the kid on purpose, or he shot the kid in self defense. There is no grey area in that regard and the DNA evidence doesn't trump everything else which corroborates Zimmermans story. At worst, it takes Zimmerman's outcome from a slam dunk acquittal to the jury deliberating for an extra 40 minutes.
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The biased slant of the American media magnifies the leap of faith required to take the Prosecutions case seriously.
The qualifier "may" is sprinkled in all key areas of the press release. Bottom line is that it doesn't mean jack shit. The eye witness testimony fits the version of events given by Zimmerman. Whether some DNA or no DNA or tons of DNA were found on the jacket, in the bushes, on the gun or in the grass, it doesn't prove or disprove anything. Is anyone going to seriously argue that the beating Zimmerman took was self inflicted and that the only eyewitness lied about what he saw?
DNA doesn't have any bearing on the outcome of this case IMO. He either shot the kid on purpose, or he shot the kid in self defense. There is no grey area in that regard and the DNA evidence doesn't trump everything else which corroborates Zimmermans story. At worst, it takes Zimmerman's outcome from a slam dunk acquittal to the jury deliberating for an extra 40 minutes.
It proves or disproves a lot, actually. If they were in a fight, you'd expect to find evidence of one's DNA on the other. This isn't a conjecture. It's an observable, repeatable and testable effect. The absence of DNA isn't proof that no altercation happened of course. But it does bring into question Zimmerman's account that they were in a fight.
It's silly to suggest that the DNA evidence presented is meaningless and that the stories provided by witnesses trump it. Witnesses are, generally, unreliable and fallible and their memory isn't photographic. Indeed, their memory is almost often incorrect. This has been demonstrated again and again. Add to that their interpretation of events isn't necessarily indicative of what transpired.
So I'm puzzled that you would suggest that witnesses trump everything else and discount the DNA.
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i think zimm DEFINITELY shot trayvon in self defense.
But I also think he exaggeratd like crazy about the number of hits, the smothering, the "you're gonna die tonight MFer".
So he hurts his case for self-defense by creating a narrative of the attack that is far worse from the actual attack. Tough to believe him on not being the aggressor (which is probably true), when he will lie about other things.
if he is found guilty, its' because the jury punishes him for being dishonest with the details, perhaps. It sounds like he was justified in shooting, even without stretching the truth there. but once you lie about 5 things, it's tough to believe you on the other 5 things, ya know?
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It proves or disproves a lot, actually. If they were in a fight, you'd expect to find evidence of one's DNA on the other. This isn't a conjecture. It's an observable, repeatable and testable effect. The absence of DNA isn't proof that no altercation happened of course. But it does bring into question Zimmerman's account that they were in a fight.
It's silly to suggest that the DNA evidence presented is meaningless and that the stories provided by witnesses trump it. Witnesses are, generally, unreliable and fallible and their memory isn't photographic. Indeed, their memory is almost often incorrect. This has been demonstrated again and again. Add to that their interpretation of events isn't necessarily indicative of what transpired.
So I'm puzzled that you would suggest that witnesses trump everything else and discount the DNA.
Are you seriously making the argument that Zimmerman and Martin weren't in a fight due to inconclusive DNA results? lol ::)
So, according to you, the DNA test, which admittedly cannot prove or disprove causation, nullifies the first hand testimony of an eye witness (for the prosecution no less), the testimony of the lead detective on the case (again, also for the prosecution) and Zimmerman's actual injuries?
Come back to earth please.
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Are you seriously making the argument that Zimmerman and Martin weren't in a fight due to inconclusive DNA results? lol ::)
That's not the argument I'm making, but then again, it's easier to twist what someone says than it is to address what they actually said, isn't it?
I shouldn't even bother responding to a post that so obviously misrepresents my positions but I have five minutes to spare, so what the hell...
First let me point out that the DNA test wasn't inconclusive or, for that matter, conclusive as to whether a fight occurred or not. The expert in question testified it's unlikely that no DNA would have been transferred from Martin to the clothing of Zimmerman and vice versa, and that no evidence of Martin's DNA was found on the gun itself or the pistol grip, and yet that is what his examination concluded. If you're going to misrepresent what I said and what was said in Court then at least try to make your misrepresentation plausible.
I assert that if the expert witness in question provided accurate testimony (and I have no reason to doubt that he did) then there is a discrepancy between what the witnesses say they saw or heard and what some physical evidence suggests. This doesn't mean that they didn't fight. After all, it's entirely possible for the discrepancy to have a logical explanation. But whether you like it or not, there appears to be a discrepancy between the results of this DNA test and eye-witness testimony and other physical evidence.
Now, it's a well known fact that eye-witnesses aren't necessarily reliable and that their recollection of events can be far detached from what actually happened for a number of reasons. So what I suggest isn't that a fight never occurred, but that there is a discrepancy and that it raises questions about what happened and the severity of the altercation.
If you're going to reply to this then please try to understand my position. You wouldn't want me to think that your misrepresentation was intentional and a result of your, shall we be polite and say less-than-truthful nature?
So, according to you, the DNA test, which admittedly cannot prove or disprove causation, nullifies the first hand testimony of an eye witness (for the prosecution no less), the testimony of the lead detective on the case (again, also for the prosecution) and Zimmerman's actual injuries?
You know... I'm not responsible or liable because you misinterpreted what I wrote. I never said that the DNA disproved any of the testimony provided in this case. But now it's starting to sound as if you're misrepresenting things on purpose. You should probably stop doing that.
Come back to earth please.
Jeez, I was about to type the same thing to you. What are the chances?
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doesn't mean he started the fight
he just asked the creepy weird dude why he was following him
from that point no one knows what happened
If Zimmerman had not been following him then Martin would not have asked him why are you following me (or whatever it is he said)
BTW - Zimmerman is being exposed more and more each day as a pathological liar and having no remorse and believing that what happened was "gods plan" is down right creepy
agreed, there is no evidence that zimmerman started the physical altercation is there?
would zimmerman have followed trayvon if he had not run away?
hahah as soon as this guy mentioned God your atheist alarm went off hard core didnt it? your so biased its not even funny
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but once you lie about 5 things, it's tough to believe you on the other 5 things, ya know?
Yeah, you suffer that problem here, ya know.
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agreed, there is no evidence that zimmerman started the physical altercation is there?
would zimmerman have followed trayvon if he had not run away?
I doubt zimm would have had to follow him, had he not run away. He could have just stayed in his truck :)
Now, there is plenty of evidence that at some point zimm was the aggressor and trayvon was running away like a scared bitch.
And your line of "zimm lost visual of the man he was pursuing momentarily" doesn't hold up, dude. Because police lose visual of suspects all the time in chases, they keep running in the same direction, and they usually find the person again. And we all know zimm was very good with police procedure. He just didn't have common sense to let the real police do their job.
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I doubt zimm would have had to follow him, had he not run away. He could have just stayed in his truck :)
Now, there is plenty of evidence that at some point zimm was the aggressor and trayvon was running away like a scared bitch.
And your line of "zimm lost visual of the man he was pursuing momentarily" doesn't hold up, dude. Because police lose visual of suspects all the time in chases, they keep running in the same direction, and they usually find the person again. And we all know zimm was very good with police procedure. He just didn't have common sense to let the real police do their job.
theres evidence that zimmerman followed trayvon yes, but again no evidence that zimmerman started the physical altercation.
again no evidence, we do know trayvon started the confrontation though...why would he stop there and not start the physical altercation as well?
see we can all play the ASSumption game, but it doesnt matter as there are no facts to back them up
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theres evidence that zimmerman followed trayvon yes, but again no evidence that zimmerman started the physical altercation.
again no evidence, we do know trayvon started the confrontation though...why would he stop there and not start the physical altercation as well?
see we can all play the ASSumption game, but it doesnt matter as there are no facts to back them up
How do we know this, tony? what is the evidence? specifically, please.
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How do we know this, tony? what is the evidence? specifically, please.
testimony from jabba
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testimony from jabba
please post the line from the piggy that showed trayvon started the confrontation. I listened to her fat ass speak... i missed that line. Exact quote please?
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of course you did....who spoke to who first dimwit?
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of course you did....who spoke to who first dimwit?
i asked you for a quote and you insulted me and asked me a Q back.
You don't have the quote/evidence, do ya?
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i asked you for a quote and you insulted me and asked me a Q back.
You don't have the quote/evidence, do ya?
hahah for someone who forms such opinions about this case you sure dont know much about it
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hahah for someone who forms such opinions about this case you sure dont know much about it
sooooooooo
no quote then?
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"What are you following me for?"
look it up dip shit and while youre at it get the facts of the case
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"What are you following me for?"
#1) In English, where does "Why are you following me" equal "I will now punch you in the face". Quite a leap you made there.
#2) Do you find jabba the hut credible now? I thought she was a lying piece of shit - you believe her, huh?
Tony, if the only proof you have that trayvon did indeed throw the first punch is an illiterate sea cow's word about him asking a quesiton, well, I don't think you have proof lol
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#1) In English, where does "Why are you following me" equal "I will now punch you in the face". Quite a leap you made there.
#2) Do you find jabba the hut credible now? I thought she was a lying piece of shit - you believe her, huh?
Tony, if the only proof you have that trayvon did indeed throw the first punch is an illiterate sea cow's word about him asking a quesiton, well, I don't think you have proof lol
where did I say trayvon started the physical altercation?
what I said is that he started the confrontation and he did....
Lol so by that same token you cant use anything zimmerman said against him as he is not credible?
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making you chase your own tail is indeed a good amount of fun dimwit
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where did I say trayvon started the physical altercation?
what I said is that he started the confrontation and he did....
I see... asking another man a question "why are you following me" is the same as starting a confrontation?
So initiating a chase is NOT starting a confrontation, but asking someone a question is. Weird.
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I see... asking another man a question "why are you following me" is the same as starting a confrontation?
So initiating a chase is NOT starting a confrontation, but asking someone a question is. Weird.
LOL who started the chase...the runner or the chaser?
hahahah spin now dimwit, spin
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LOL who started the chase...the runner or the chaser?
hahahah spin now dimwit, spin
it's not a chase unless one person is pursuing ;)
it's a skinny twink out for a jog until zimmerman gets out of the truck and says "He's running and i'm following him".
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it's not a chase unless one person is pursuing ;)
it's a skinny twink out for a jog until zimmerman gets out of the truck and says "He's running and i'm following him".
and you cant chase someone who doesnt run...
not that either are illegal, so why you and the rest of the morons continue to bring it up is beyond logic
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and you cant chase someone who doesnt run...
not that either are illegal, so why you and the rest of the morons continue to bring it up is beyond logic
I can hardly blame a rape victim becuase "if you didn't have that vagina, it wouldn't be a rape".
Skinny twink goes jogging, it's raining, it's not a chase.
Armed man gets out and announces "he's running, I'm following", it suddenly becomes a chase.
The victim of a rape, chase, or murder doesn't earn blame because "you can't rape someone who refuses you sex..."
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I can hardly blame a rape victim becuase "if you didn't have that vagina, it wouldn't be a rape".
Skinny twink goes jogging, it's raining, it's not a chase.
Armed man gets out and announces "he's running, I'm following", it suddenly becomes a chase.
The victim of a rape, chase, or murder doesn't earn blame because "you can't rape someone who refuses you sex..."
decent point but the rape victim doesnt run to the raper...
trayvon did indeed confront zimmerman
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decent point but the rape victim doesnt run to the raper...
trayvon did indeed confront zimmerman
we dont have proof of this. we don't have proof that trayvon ran at zimmerman. for all we know, he was intercepted or he was hidden in bushes and zimmerman saw him and called him out, at which point he asked why he was following him.
I think we all know the prosecution has a piece of shit case - BUT - he if he is found guilty, it will be becase zimm said he's running, and zimm said he's going after. if this showdown happened at the bus stop awning at front of park, we're not in this trial. chasing 2 blocks after a minor (even if minor was hiding in bushes after being chased) is the only way cowboy george is on trial at all.
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we dont have proof of this. we don't have proof that trayvon ran at zimmerman. for all we know, he was intercepted or he was hidden in bushes and zimmerman saw him and called him out, at which point he asked why he was following him.
I think we all know the prosecution has a piece of shit case - BUT - he if he is found guilty, it will be becase zimm said he's running, and zimm said he's going after. if this showdown happened at the bus stop awning at front of park, we're not in this trial. chasing 2 blocks after a minor (even if minor was hiding in bushes after being chased) is the only way cowboy george is on trial at all.
So your theory is fat Zimmerman was able to "catch" an 18 year old skinny black kid??
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So your theory is fat Zimmerman was able to "catch" an 18 year old skinny black kid??
I believe the official "theory" is that trayvon circled the corner and was out of sight of the truck, stopped to make his call again. At that point, zimmerman cut thru between the complexes in order to intercept him. Trayvon thought he was away, and zimm took that shortcut in order to intercept him.
The skinny smoker was frail and soft. The armed MMA fighter had been training 3x a week for 18 months... sprinting two blocks wouldn't be tough - he was NOT fat when it happened, actually. He only spilled over since sitting at home, presumably on anti-depressants 60 mg a day, and missing out on cardio.
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He only spilled over since sitting at home, presumably on anti-depressants 60 mg a day, and missing out on cardio.
;D
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we dont have proof of this. we don't have proof that trayvon ran at zimmerman. for all we know, he was intercepted or he was hidden in bushes and zimmerman saw him and called him out, at which point he asked why he was following him.
I think we all know the prosecution has a piece of shit case - BUT - he if he is found guilty, it will be becase zimm said he's running, and zimm said he's going after. if this showdown happened at the bus stop awning at front of park, we're not in this trial. chasing 2 blocks after a minor (even if minor was hiding in bushes after being chased) is the only way cowboy george is on trial at all.
who said he ran at him?
he did confront him though, we do know that much
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240 is the loan juror that keeps everyone in the jury room till 4am, and one by one gets everyone to change their opinion.
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George Zimmerman: State 'devastated' again
The Orlando Sentinel ^ | July 3, 2013 | Hal Boedeker
Posted on Wednesday, July 03, 2013 11:49:01 PM by 2ndDivisionVet
Capt. Alexis Carter of U.S. Army JAG testifies Wednesday at the George Zimmerman trial.
How bad was it for the state at the George Zimmerman trial Wednesday morning? Bad, then maybe better, TV analysts said.
WFTV-Channel 9's Bill Sheaffer said Capt. Alexis Carter, Zimmerman's former teacher at Seminole State College, was "devastating" to the state’s case.
Carter "legitimized the very defense of self-defense in front of these jurors, and the state -- you could see the blood draining from their faces," Sheaffer said.
WKMG-Channel 6's team marveled that Carter was giving a tutorial on the "stand your ground" law to jurors. Legal analyst Eric Dubois said it was "another state witness that just kind of blew up and helped the defense a lot."
WKMG's Mike DeForest wondered: "How much money is George Zimmerman saving by letting the state witnesses present their testimony?"
Zimmerman is charged with second-degree murder in the fatal shooting of Trayvon Martin.
WOFL-Channel 35 analyst Diana Tennis said defense attorney Don West had turned Carter, a state witness, into a defense witness. "This was a little lesson for the jury that seemed to fit with the defense case," she said.
WFTV anchor Greg Warmoth wondered how the state could overcome its witness Carter.
"This is the state's case. You're not expecting that the case has to bounce back from anything," Sheaffer said. "The defense hasn't even presented its case yet."
Sheaffer later said that his heart went out to Trayvon Martin's family, but he was talking about the application of the law.
On CNN, there was a discussion about Zimmerman's laughing at one point during Carter's testimony. Drew Findling, a criminal defense attorney, said that the chuckling humanized Zimmerman.....
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we see the same thing during EVERY sports playoff, trial, election, etc.
The pundits need to keep it close. They need to have drama to talk about. they need to have this "oh, it's over! Oh, a comeback!" bullshit to talk about. It's normal. We see this in the NBA plyoffs... "Miami is history, the dynast is over, duncan has the best dynasty ever!!!"
Zimmerman told the 911 operator that trayvon running, he's following. That is ALL the 6-female jury needs... guilty or innocent, THAT moment is all that matters.
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we see the same thing during EVERY sports playoff, trial, election, etc.
The pundits need to keep it close. They need to have drama to talk about. they need to have this "oh, it's over! Oh, a comeback!" bullshit to talk about. It's normal. We see this in the NBA plyoffs... "Miami is history, the dynast is over, duncan has the best dynasty ever!!!"
Zimmerman told the 911 operator that trayvon running, he's following. That is ALL the 6-female jury needs... guilty or innocent, THAT moment is all that matters.
How does your wife feel about you thinking women are so fucking simple minded?
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we see the same thing during EVERY sports playoff, trial, election, etc.
The pundits need to keep it close. They need to have drama to talk about. they need to have this "oh, it's over! Oh, a comeback!" bullshit to talk about. It's normal. We see this in the NBA plyoffs... "Miami is history, the dynast is over, duncan has the best dynasty ever!!!"
Zimmerman told the 911 operator that trayvon running, he's following. That is ALL the 6-female jury needs... guilty or innocent, THAT moment is all that matters.
they will be instructed by the judge on how to judge the self defense claim, in that explination will be what matters to it and what doesnt...the one LEGAL aspect you morons keep harping on will be in the doesnt matter category...
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we see the same thing during EVERY sports playoff, trial, election, etc.
The pundits need to keep it close. They need to have drama to talk about. they need to have this "oh, it's over! Oh, a comeback!" bullshit to talk about. It's normal. We see this in the NBA plyoffs... "Miami is history, the dynast is over, duncan has the best dynasty ever!!!"
Zimmerman told the 911 operator that trayvon running, he's following. That is ALL the 6-female jury needs... guilty or innocent, THAT moment is all that matters.
Bwahaha.
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coroner said trayvon was still alive after his death, meaning zimmerman could have spread his arms out and then trayvon pulled them back in....
another moronic lie busted....
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trayvon was 5 foot 11, 159 pounds.
about as skinny twink as they come.
they will be instructed by the judge on how to judge the self defense claim, in that explination will be what matters to it and what doesnt...the one LEGAL aspect you morons keep harping on will be in the doesnt matter category...
de jure vs de facto. Those jurors are going to do whatever the hell they want. 5/6 of them are mothers. hearing that mama say "the screams are from Trayvon Benjamin Martin"...
They'll look at the totality of the event and they just might convict his ass for making the death happen - I mean, you're looking at the seminole county school system and assuming a jury of peers from that area will apply the complex legal standard... I'm under the belief that they'll be "legislating from thejury box" with low IQ and emotions. I guess we'll see.
Prosecution seemed to ignore getbig's advice on first impressions, instead focusing upon ending their case with the most dramatic content and testimony.
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LMFAO, at least youve stopped trying to make shit up and are just going with "hey the jury may ignore the law and the instruction of the judge and convict him anyway"
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coroner said trayvon was still alive after his death, meaning zimmerman could have spread his arms out and then trayvon pulled them back in....
another moronic lie busted....
Did the coroner say that?
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LMFAO, at least youve stopped trying to make shit up and are just going with "hey the jury may ignore the law and the instruction of the judge and convict him anyway"
Unfortunately there is truth to what he's saying. When the law wants to get you, it will.
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and you cant chase someone who doesnt run...
not that either are illegal, so why you and the rest of the morons continue to bring it up is beyond logic
you can follow someone who is walking or running
and if you're George Zimmerman you wouldn't change a thing or do anything different and just assume that it was "gods plan" for you to shoot an unarmed kid to death
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Did the coroner say that?
Zombie!
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Did the coroner say that?
said he believes he was alive for 1 to 10 mins after being shot
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you can follow someone who is walking or running
and if you're George Zimmerman you wouldn't change a thing or do anything different and just assume that it was "gods plan" for you to shoot an unarmed kid to death
lol touche...not that it matters as it was completely legal and irrelevant to the self defense claim....but hey if it makes you morons feel better keep harping on it!!!
LOL an unarmed kid who an eye witness saw on top of zimmerman throwing blows?
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said he believes he was alive for 1 to 10 mins after being shot
So still alive after being shot..
When I first read it I thought of this:
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-MH9EEfXwBgw/UNOhR49KqhI/AAAAAAAACcM/-N1dzbhvRK0/s400/Live+After+Death.jpg)
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he was alive 1-10 minutes after being shot in the heart.
it may have been self-defense when bullet was fired, if during the struggle may have he started, zimmerman decided he wanted to exit.
despite what some think - we do not know who started the fight, do we?
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he was alive 1-10 minutes after being shot in the heart.
it may have been self-defense when bullet was fired, if during the struggle may have he started, zimmerman decided he wanted to exit.
despite what some think - we do not know who started the fight, do we?
so we dont know who started the fight, zimmerman said trayvon did...nobody can disprove it
we do know trayvon was on top of zimmerman striking downward, while it is believed zimmerman was yelling for help as testified by the one and only eye witness
correct?
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coroner now testifying that he does not know if regular procedure for an autopsy was followed in relation to trayvon martins clothing.
"I dont know".......
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coroner came to court with his own notes that were not given to the defense, judge ruled they would be given a copy break for lunch and then come back.
wouldnt be suprised if they find something to pick at in those notes....
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LOL. Dr. Boa has gone full retard!
hahha he really has, he seems more concerned with not saying something that will hurt himself then actually answering the questions.
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coroner now testifying that he does not know if regular procedure for an autopsy was followed in relation to trayvon martins clothing.
"I dont know".......
How would he know......he would have arrived at the scene after police arrived
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zimmermans attorney tried to sympathize with trayvons moms loss and the state attorney objected...using 240 logic this will play large on the minds of the women jurers and they will see the state attornesy as cold and bitter.
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How would he know......he would have arrived at the scene after police arrived
he was testifying to the treatment of the clothing directly prior to the autopsy...dont chime in if you dont know what youre talking about airsoft....
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so we dont know who started the fight, zimmerman said trayvon did...nobody can disprove it
but we can prove that one man chased another.
that might be enough for the jury to declare he started it.
If I'm walking thru your town with a handcannon, i spot you, and i chase your ass 2 blocks into an alley... then i claim i offered you movie tickets and you punched me so i blasted you...
well, i belong in prison for being full of shit and for chasing you two blocks with a gun.
so yeah, 'no witnesses' kinda flies out the window when one dude chases another to a secluded area. By your logic, I can take my date to the woods and rape her because "there were no witnesses... true I dragged her kicking and screaming to the woods, but TECHNICALLY you didn't see it, when I then refused sex and she forced herself upon me..."
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but we can prove that one man chased another.
that might be enough for the jury to declare he started it.
If I'm walking thru your town with a handcannon, i spot you, and i chase your ass 2 blocks into an alley... then i claim i offered you movie tickets and you punched me so i blasted you...
well, i belong in prison for being full of shit and for chasing you two blocks with a gun.
so yeah, 'no witnesses' kinda flies out the window when one dude chases another to a secluded area. By your logic, I can take my date to the woods and rape her because "there were no witnesses... true I dragged her kicking and screaming to the woods, but TECHNICALLY you didn't see it, when I then refused sex and she forced herself upon me..."
LOL so evidence to back up zimmermans story, eye witnesses to back up zimmermans story and all that matters to you is that he LEGALLY followed someone....
got it...hahahhaha
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LOL so evidence to back up zimmermans story, eye witnesses to back up zimmermans story and all that matters to you is that he LEGALLY followed someone....
got it...hahahhaha
which evidence backed up trayvon throwing the first punch? none, right?
I have a sneaking feeling if trayvon, fresh out of MMA class, told a 911 operator "these damn punks always get away", picked up his 9mm, chased the punk into an area no one could see, and there was an "incident" where trayvon took a few boo-boos and zimmerman was bleeding out...
I have a sneaking feeling you woudn't be telling us "you can't PROVE trayvon started it, maybe trayvon went from a-hole to cupcake and zimmerman became a murder machine at the exact same moment".
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which evidence backed up trayvon throwing the first punch? none, right?
I have a sneaking feeling if trayvon, fresh out of MMA class, told a 911 operator "these damn punks always get away", picked up his 9mm, chased the punk into an area no one could see, and there was an "incident" where trayvon took a few boo-boos and zimmerman was bleeding out...
I have a sneaking feeling you woudn't be telling us "you can't PROVE trayvon started it, maybe trayvon went from a-hole to cupcake and zimmerman became a murder machine at the exact same moment".
lol why are you always putting words in my mouth?
you cant make up any more lies of your own so you make up lies for others?
I said there is evidence to back up zimmermans story, not all of it but anytime an eyewitness or testimony has been given it backs up zimmermans almost to a fucking T.......
the prosecution has no evidence to show that this was murder.
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I said there is evidence to back up zimmermans story, not all of it but anytime an eyewitness or testimony has been given it backs up zimmermans almost to a fucking T.......
I have seen zero evidence trayvon threw the first punch. Nobody can show that, can they?
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I have seen zero evidence trayvon threw the first punch. Nobody can show that, can they?
LOL other than the testimony of zimmerman as given through his interviews and as we know there is zero evidence to disprove that...
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LOL other than the testimony of zimmerman as given through his interviews and as we know there is zero evidence to disprove that...
aside from zimmerman - obviously in CYA mode and unwilling to take the stand...
No one else can testify trayvon punched first. Mmmkay.
There is also zero evidence to prove that former Mr Olympia Larry Scott didn't throw the first punch. Or that a lawn sprinkler didn't trip them both. Zero evidence to disprove any crazy theory - including the one that an armed MMA fighter chasing a kid thru yards sudenly turned into a pussycat and was picked on by a bully.
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hahaha yes b/c when you look at zimmerman you think grizzly mma fighting bad ass...hahahah you are such a fucking drama queen
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hahaha yes b/c when you look at zimmerman you think grizzly mma fighting bad ass...hahahah you are such a fucking drama queen
part of the idea of being a deadly weapon is that nobody suspects you. he was a lean 190 pounds, but 18 months of 3x weekly grappling and striking training... with the confidence the law was on his side and the gun as a last resort...
Well, i think he was well-equipped to dance thru yards to intercept the 159 pound twink smoker high school junior.
The fact he got his ass whooped anyway fuels speculation he did this on purpose. maybe he wanted this.
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part of the idea of being a deadly weapon is that nobody suspects you. he was a lean 190 pounds, but 18 months of 3x weekly grappling and striking training... with the confidence the law was on his side and the gun as a last resort...
Well, i think he was well-equipped to dance thru yards to intercept the 159 pound twink smoker high school junior.
The fact he got his ass whooped anyway fuels speculation he did this on purpose. maybe he wanted this.
in your mental pygmy of a mind maybe in the mind of a rational person not at all...
so 18 months of "mma" training makes you a deadly weapon?
tell the truth 240 have you even been in a physical altercation with another man in your life?
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in your mental pygmy of a mind maybe in the mind of a rational person not at all...
so 18 months of "mma" training makes you a deadly weapon?
tell the truth 240 have you even been in a physical altercation with another man in your life?
dude, i have gotten my ass kicked lol.... i've held my own in other situations. in addition, i was a wrestler in high school, i did TKD in high school, and I've done a few sessions of training every few years since then, to avoid having 159 pound twinks steamroll me.
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in your mental pygmy of a mind maybe in the mind of a rational person not at all...
so 18 months of "mma" training makes you a deadly weapon?
tell the truth 240 have you even been in a physical altercation with another man in your life?
18 months of mma training may have made him THINK he was equipped for running thru yards playing ninja with a 9mm on hip.
and think about the mind of zimmerman... was he all that rational to begin with? 52 calls to 911 for potholes and kids in road? shoving a fcking cop? Domestic abuse charges? Funger fvcking his cousin? To me, he wasn't all that rational to begin with. To me, if he was the victim in this case, getbiggers would probably be calling him with he was - a dangerous fvckup!
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18 months of mma training may have made him THINK he was equipped for running thru yards playing ninja with a 9mm on hip.
and think about the mind of zimmerman... was he all that rational to begin with? 52 calls to 911 for potholes and kids in road? shoving a fcking cop? Domestic abuse charges? Funger fvcking his cousin? To me, he wasn't all that rational to begin with. To me, if he was the victim in this case, getbiggers would probably be calling him with he was - a dangerous fvckup!
what does any of those lies have to do with the this case?
is trayvons history of violence, drugs and criminal activity relevant to this case?
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dude, i have gotten my ass kicked lol.... i've held my own in other situations. in addition, i was a wrestler in high school, i did TKD in high school, and I've done a few sessions of training every few years since then, to avoid having 159 pound twinks steamroll me.
so in your mind you are an even more of a deadly weapon than zimmerman?
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what does any of those lies have to do with the this case?
is trayvons history of violence, drugs and criminal activity relevant to this case?
of course - what was trayvon's arrest record? was he ordered to state-sanctioned alcohol abuse treatment, like zimmerman? was he under a restraining order? any underage sex accusations like zimmerman?
no offense, but I think the 17 year old pot abuser would actually be a MORE credible witness on the stand lol... shoving a cop? who does that? lol
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so in your mind you are an even more of a deadly weapon than zimmerman?
oh, that'd be a silly comparison. and you're making it about me - instead of the case. which, given the way the jury responded to trayvon's fmaily and the autopsy pics today, i can't blame you.
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oh, that'd be a silly comparison. and you're making it about me - instead of the case. which, given the way the jury responded to trayvon's fmaily and the autopsy pics today, i can't blame you.
LMFAO im making a comparison to get to the heart of the stupidity that is YOU!!!
and judging by your complete and total side step Id say it hit home
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lol touche...not that it matters as it was completely legal and irrelevant to the self defense claim....but hey if it makes you morons feel better keep harping on it!!!
LOL an unarmed kid who an eye witness saw on top of zimmerman throwing blows?
nothing in this case matters to me in any way
you're the one (among others) spending hours debating the minutiae
I see a creepy dude who profiled, stalked and shot and unarmed kid to death and then calmly claimed he had no regrets, wouldn't change a thing if he could do it over again and thinks it's all Gods plan
This dude is a sick fuck and whether he gets convicted or not it's likely he will eventually pay for this in one way or another
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nothing in this case matters to me in any way
you're the one (among others) spending hours debating the minutiae
I see a creepy dude who profiled, stalked and shot and unarmed kid to death and then calmly claimed he had no regrets, wouldn't change a thing if he could do it over again and thinks it's all Gods plan
This dude is a sick fuck and whether he gets convicted or not it's likely he will eventually pay for this in one way or another
LOL be honest straw youre biased against this guy b/c he used the word God
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nothing in this case matters to me in any way
you're the one (among others) spending hours debating the minutiae
I see a creepy dude who profiled, stalked and shot and unarmed kid to death and then calmly claimed he had no regrets, wouldn't change a thing if he could do it over again and thinks it's all Gods plan
This dude is a sick fuck and whether he gets convicted or not it's likely he will eventually pay for this in one way or another
yeah, 'no regrets'..... he shouldnt have gotten out of the truck. that's an odd thing to say. wouldn't change a thing? oh no, id' change ten things about that day, mainly, um, not gettin gout of truck and letting police do their jobs.
why would he say that?
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coroner now testifying that the amount of thc in trayvons system may have had some inhibition limiting effects....
he has changed his opinion on two big aspects of this case in the last 60 days, this guy is not credible......
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lol this guy is a straight up moron, his testimony is painful to watch
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nothing in this case matters to me in any way
you're the one (among others) spending hours debating the minutiae
I see a creepy dude who profiled, stalked and shot and unarmed kid to death and then calmly claimed he had no regrets, wouldn't change a thing if he could do it over again and thinks it's all Gods plan
This dude is a sick fuck and whether he gets convicted or not it's likely he will eventually pay for this in one way or another
That's interesting, I see a concerned citizen and neighborhood watch captain who put his life on the line looking out for his neighbors.
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(http://i.qkme.me/3v2vjb.jpg)
ROFL!!!!!
I never thought I'd be the kind of person to fall for this shit, sitting around watching a court case like some lazy housewife.
I'm going to be discussing this with the soccer moms in the cardio room later.
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(http://i.qkme.me/3v2vjb.jpg)
hahah exactly this guy is coming across...
He literally just said "I have no memory, I have no facts"....hahahhah this guy is fuking awesome!!!
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LOL be honest straw youre biased against this guy b/c he used the word God
I have no problem if he mentions god but it's beyond creepy for him to think it was gods plan to have him shoot this kid
he comes off as a very strange dude in that video and I'm thinking it's a possibility that this guy is a wack job who was just itching to shoot someone and he found a way to do it
He has no remorse and said he wouldn't change a thing if he could do it over again
something is not right in that dude's head
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The number of times that coroner has said "I don't remember" is embarrassing.
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That's interesting, I see a concerned citizen and neighborhood watch captain who put his life on the line looking out for his neighbors.
LOL - at putting his life on the line
was he actually even part of a neighborhood watch or just some wanna be cop with an itchy trigger finger ?
did he identify himself as neighborhood watch to Martin
does the neighborhood watch association condone his actions ?
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I'd ask this amnesiac if he remembers not remembering just to watch his chinkie expression.
;D
(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_les2tqMqzP1qzaqgf.jpg)
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LOL - at putting his life on the line
was he actually even part of a neighborhood watch or just some wanna be cop with an itchy trigger finger ?
did he identify himself as neighborhood watch to Martin
does the neighborhood watch association condone his actions ?
No, he didn't.
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No, he didn't.
Did he get a chance before he was attacked?
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Did he get a chance before he was attacked?
I would say so, as his explanation was that he "didn't want to be confrontational".
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I would say so, as his explanation was that he "didn't want to be confrontational".
It's possible.
Hard to say.
Serious question though, was it rainy or stormy that night?
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It's possible.
Hard to say.
Serious question though, was it rainy or stormy that night?
Yes, apparently it had been raining (Zimmerman made a statement about Martin walking "too slowly" in the rain).
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No, he didn't.
was he even part of an actual recognized neighborhood watch group or was he just some wanna be cop taking his gun out for an evening drive in the truck?
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was he even part of an actual recognized neighborhood watch group or was he just some wanna be cop taking his gun out for an evening drive in the truck?
I've seen media reports to this day, that describe him as acting in some "official capacity" on "patrol" that night, but it is my understanding that he was not.
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Yes, apparently it had been raining (Zimmerman made a statement about Martin walking "too slowly" in the rain).
You have to get kind of close to hear people in the rain if it's coming down hard.
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Did I just hear Dr. Stupid say under oath that he compiled his notes over a weekend during which he tried to write down all he could remember about his autopsy?
how long ago did he do it and how many hundreds has he done since then
all he would have had to go on were whatever notes he took at the time and why would he even take many notes
he probably sees shooting incidents many times a week and this wasn't some big case at the time autopsy was done.
It was just another kid who died from a gunshot
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"In September 2011, the Twin Lakes residents held an organizational meeting to create a neighborhood watch program. Zimmerman was selected by neighbors as the program's coordinator, according to Wendy Dorival, Neighborhood Watch organizer for the Sanford Police Department.[6][6][91]"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/25/george-zimmerman-trial-neighbourhood-watch
Second-day testimony focuses on Zimmerman's role as unofficial neighbourhood watch leader who was recruited by Florida police
Prosecutors in Zimmerman's second-degree murder trial in Sanford have portrayed the defendant as an overzealous vigilante who profiled, pursued and shot Trayvon Martin, an unarmed 17-year-old black youth he spotted in the Retreat at Twin Lakes gated estate on 26 February last year.
But the volunteer programme co-ordinator for the city's police department told the jury that she found Zimmerman, 29, to be an always "polite, courteous and respectful" resident whom she tried to persuade to become law enforcement's formal "eyes and ears" for his community.
"He seemed like he really wanted to make changes in his community, to make it better," Wendy Dorival said under cross-examination by Zimmerman's attorney, Don West.
"I wanted to recruit him to be a citizen on patrol volunteer, but he said no."
She said that it would have involved a four or five week training programme after which Zimmerman would have been allowed to wear a polo shirt-style uniform and patrol the community in a marked car with amber lights.
Dorival said she thought he possessed qualities that would have made him a good candidate for the program. "His demeanor, the way he interacted with me, his high interest in being involved in his community and the city of Sanford," led her to recommend him, she told prosecutor John Guy.
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"In September 2011, the Twin Lakes residents held an organizational meeting to create a neighborhood watch program. Zimmerman was selected by neighbors as the program's coordinator, according to Wendy Dorival, Neighborhood Watch organizer for the Sanford Police Department.[6][6][91]"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/25/george-zimmerman-trial-neighbourhood-watch
Second-day testimony focuses on Zimmerman's role as unofficial neighbourhood watch leader who was recruited by Florida police
Prosecutors in Zimmerman's second-degree murder trial in Sanford have portrayed the defendant as an overzealous vigilante who profiled, pursued and shot Trayvon Martin, an unarmed 17-year-old black youth he spotted in the Retreat at Twin Lakes gated estate on 26 February last year.
But the volunteer programme co-ordinator for the city's police department told the jury that she found Zimmerman, 29, to be an always "polite, courteous and respectful" resident whom she tried to persuade to become law enforcement's formal "eyes and ears" for his community.
"He seemed like he really wanted to make changes in his community, to make it better," Wendy Dorival said under cross-examination by Zimmerman's attorney, Don West.
"I wanted to recruit him to be a citizen on patrol volunteer, but he said no."
She said that it would have involved a four or five week training programme after which Zimmerman would have been allowed to wear a polo shirt-style uniform and patrol the community in a marked car with amber lights.
Dorival said she thought he possessed qualities that would have made him a good candidate for the program. "His demeanor, the way he interacted with me, his high interest in being involved in his community and the city of Sanford," led her to recommend him, she told prosecutor John Guy.
so why didn't he identify himself when he says Martin asked why he was following him
Why didn't he say I'm part of a neighborhood watch and I've called the police and they are on the way
Did he follow the established rules or guidelines of a the neighborhood watch association?
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lol. That dude was horrible.
Does anyone know if they redacted the part of the autopsy that showed marijuana use?
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so why didn't he identify himself when he says Martin asked why he was following him
Why didn't he say I'm part of a neighborhood watch and I've called the police and they are on the way
Did he follow the established rules or guidelines of a the neighborhood watch association?
Was it raining so hard that he had to get close to identify himself?
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No, he didn't.
There is no evidence that he identified himself. The only evidence, which came from Zimmerman, is he didn't have a chance to say much of anything before Martin attacked him.
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There is no evidence that he identified himself. The only evidence, which came from Zimmerman, is he didn't have a chance to say much of anything before Martin attacked him.
How sure are you with this?
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How sure are you with this?
How sure are you with this?
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The biased slant of the American media magnifies the leap of faith required to take the Prosecutions case seriously.
The qualifier "may" is sprinkled in all key areas of the press release. Bottom line is that it doesn't mean jack shit. The eye witness testimony fits the version of events given by Zimmerman. Whether some DNA or no DNA or tons of DNA were found on the jacket, in the bushes, on the gun or in the grass, it doesn't prove or disprove anything. Is anyone going to seriously argue that the beating Zimmerman took was self inflicted and that the only eyewitness lied about what he saw?
DNA doesn't have any bearing on the outcome of this case IMO. He either shot the kid on purpose, or he shot the kid in self defense. There is no grey area in that regard and the DNA evidence doesn't trump everything else which corroborates Zimmermans story. At worst, it takes Zimmerman's outcome from a slam dunk acquittal to the jury deliberating for an extra 40 minutes.
Agree. Good points.
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How sure are you with this?
Do you disagree with anything in that post?
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defense attoenry trying to reduce charge to manslaughter.
will this backfire? Surely the jury, if they had to choose between murder and walking - would have to let him walk.
But to intro the possbility of 5-10 years for manslaughteR? They might jump all over that shit. Are they worried about how things are going after jury saw trayvon's skinny dead body today?
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Do you disagree with anything in that post?
Do you disagree with what I said?
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I've seen media reports to this day, that describe him as acting in some "official capacity" on "patrol" that night, but it is my understanding that he was not.
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he was coming home from super target. armed and not on duty.
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defense attoenry trying to reduce charge to manslaughter.
will this backfire? Surely the jury, if they had to choose between murder and walking - would have to let him walk.
But to intro the possbility of 5-10 years for manslaughteR? They might jump all over that shit. Are they worried about how things are going after jury saw trayvon's skinny dead body today?
? I'm watching the live feed. He is arguing for an acquittal based on self-defense, not a reduction of the charge.
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? I'm watching the live feed. He is arguing for an acquittal based on self-defense, not a reduction of the charge.
he made it very clear 15 minutes ago, this isn't a murder charge, this would be along the lines of manslaughter. i'm watching too.
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he made it very clear 15 minutes ago, this isn't a murder charge, this would be along the lines of manslaughter. i'm watching too.
He did not any way try to "reduce charge to manslaughter" as you said. ::) He argued for an acquittal.
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holy shit.... zimm really claimed trayvon was in 3 different spots in 3 different interviews/walkthroughs?
wow, he's in trouble... that's a BIG thing to change.
Wow, 2 minutes of blank time that he was wandering and searching... and claimed he was 100 meteres from his truck?
proud to be neighborhood watch, but doesn't know the name of street, when there's only 3 streets in the entire park?
his goose is cooked.... it's not pretty.
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Do you disagree with what I said?
I disagree with deliberately misleading statements, yes. Absolutely.
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When is this case scheduled to end? ???
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When is this case scheduled to end? ???
That is how I feel. Lets get the riot over with.
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I disagree with deliberately misleading statements, yes. Absolutely.
I absolutely disagree with misleading statements, whether deliberate or not.
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That is how I feel. Lets get the riot over with.
lol. That's just wrong.
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That is how I feel. Lets get the riot over with.
I think it's not a question of if there's gonna be a riot but rather the scale of it.
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lol. That's just wrong.
I know. I have a feeling people aren't going to be happy unless Zimmerman is dead. They will find some excuse to do something stupid.
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zimmerman wrote in a college paper that he wanted to be a US marshall because he wanted to chase down bad guys and catch them.
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That is how I feel. Lets get the riot over with.
haha!!!
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zimmerman wrote in a college paper that he wanted to be a US marshall because he wanted to chase down bad guys and catch them.
Turns out he has a talent for it.
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omara just admitted zimmerman may have exaggerated his injuries.
He's a liar, in a very big way. And his is the ONLY word saying trayvon was the aggressor - while the 911 tape says he was the aggressor.
Not looking good. Prosecution wins today by a mile - acquittal request denied. jury stared at trayvon's brother, nearly identical in appearance. they saw his extremely skinny naked body in the autopsy - was an armed mma fighter really that overwhelmed, or just playing it up to justify capping someone?
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will this backfire? Surely the jury, if they had to choose between murder and walking - would have to let him walk.
wait so now the mental pygmy believes he will be acquitted?
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lol the medical examiner should have his job questioned, he was the most incompetent person Ive seen in a while
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omara just admitted zimmerman may have exaggerated his injuries.
He's a liar, in a very big way. And his is the ONLY word saying trayvon was the aggressor - while the 911 tape says he was the aggressor.
Not looking good. Prosecution wins today by a mile - acquittal request denied. jury stared at trayvon's brother, nearly identical in appearance. they saw his extremely skinny naked body in the autopsy - was an armed mma fighter really that overwhelmed, or just playing it up to justify capping someone?
what part of the 911 call shows he was the aggressor in a murder charge?
99% of these requests for acquital get denied moron....wow youre an extreme idiot
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I absolutely disagree with misleading statements, whether deliberate or not.
I guess we're left to wonder why you make them so frequently.
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so for us to believe that zimmerman murdered this kid.
We must believe that zimmerman confronted trayvon, he started a physical altercation in which he was not able to land one single punch, kick, knee, elbow, head butt or any other form of blow to trayvon even with his obvious mastery of MMA.
then after letting trayvon pummel him, break his nose and bash his head against the concrete at least 3 times(by the prosecutions witness) that he deviantly decided it was time to spring his master plan and kill trayvon?
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zimmermans uncle a career military man and law enforcement officer testified that it was zimmermans voice crying for help on the 911 video.
very very damning evidence to the prosecution.....
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I know. I have a feeling people aren't going to be happy unless Zimmerman is dead. They will find some excuse to do something stupid.
I agree. It's not going to be pretty.
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lol the medical examiner should have his job questioned, he was the most incompetent person Ive seen in a while
He is no Henry Lee.
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I guess we're left to wonder why you make them so frequently.
I have no idea why you make them so frequently.
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Though his testimony was short, Zimmerman's uncle seemed very composed and, imho, credible.
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zimmermans uncle a career military man and law enforcement officer testified that it was zimmermans voice crying for help on the 911 video.
very very damning evidence to the prosecution.....
Missed it. Did he sound credible?
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Though his testimony was short, Zimmerman's uncle seemed very composed and, imho, credible.
Racist Post Reported.
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Missed it. Did he sound credible?
yea much more so than the majority of the prosecution witnesses...did say that he was on a computer when they call came over the tv and he heard the yelling and instantly knew it was zimmerman.
seems a little far fetched but he was extremely credible in the way he presented it
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I have no idea why you make them so frequently.
Show me a single one.
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lol the medical examiner should have his job questioned, he was the most incompetent person Ive seen in a while
Really makes me wonder what guys like this are doing in our country.
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yea much more so than the majority of the prosecution witnesses...did say that he was on a computer when they call came over the tv and he heard the yelling and instantly knew it was zimmerman.
seems a little far fetched but he was extremely credible in the way he presented it
Thanks. The family members pretty much cancel each other out.
I think the most credible witness I heard was Good. Best angle of the beat down. Sounded like he was telling the truth.
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Show me a single one.
Show me a single one.
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Though his testimony was short, Zimmerman's uncle seemed very composed and, imho, credible.
very fishy... I heard a voice on TV and knew it was my nephew, but i haven't followed the case a single bit since then, since i didnt think i might be called to the stand.
hmmmmmmmmmmm
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Today's summary.
5:23 p.m. ET: Court is in recess until Monday.
5:20 p.m. ET: Judge Nelson excuses the jury for the weekend but asks the attorneys to approach.
5:14 p.m. ET: O’Mara begins re-direct. He asks Meza to clarify why he disconnected himself from Zimmerman’s case.
5:12 p.m. ET: De la Rionda begins cross-examination. He asks Meza how much details he knows about Zimmerman's case. Meza says that because of his position in the Sheriff's office, he tried to stay out of the case as much as possible.
5:07 p.m. ET: O'Mara asks Meza if he has ever heard a 911 call with a voice in the foreground and screams for help in the background. He says yes. He explains that it was his nephew's 911 call, which he heard on the news on his TV.
5:03 p.m. ET: Defense calls its next witness: Jorge Meza, Orange County Deputy Sheriff and Zimmerman's uncle.
5:02 p.m. ET: O'Mara is on re-direct. He asks Zimmerman's mom to clarify her answer to de la Rionda. She is then excused with subject to recall.
5:01 p.m. ET: De la Rionda begins cross-examination. He asks Zimmerman's mom if she has ever heard her son screaming for help before. She says no. He rests.
5:00 p.m. ET: After listening to a portion of the Call, Zimmerman's mom confirms that it is her son's voice on the 911 call.
4:59 p.m. ET: O'Mara plays the 911 call for Zimmerman's mom to see if she can tell whose voice is on the recording.
4:55 p.m. ET: The jury is back in the court. The State rests its case. The defense calls its first witness to the stand: Gladys Zimmerman, the defendant's mother.
4:51 p.m. ET: Judge Nelson announces that the Judgment of Acquittal motion is denied. She believes that the State has presented both direct and circumstantial evidence and that this case is going to the jury.
4:32 p.m. ET: Mantei rests. O’Mara starts his rebuttal.
4:14 p.m. ET: Mantei argues that pointing a loaded weapon at the heart and pulling the trigger “is in fact evidence of ill will.” He responds to O'Mara's argument about ill will, saying that Zimmerman thought he knew who Martin was and that his was wrong in his assumption. He also presents several exhibits of direct evidence of Zimmerman’s ill will and calls Zimmerman a liar. He, too, cites law cases that suggest Judgment of Acquittal is not appropriate in this case.
3:59 p.m. ET: O'Mara just finished arguing Judgment of Acquittal before Judge Nelson. Prosecution's Richard Mantei responds.
3:38 p.m. ET: O’Mara argues that his client has asserted self-defense in his statements and that there is no direct evidence of ill will, hatred, or spite, which usually only exists between people who know each other. He adds that Zimmerman made his statements to police before hearing any witness testimony that supports his claims and cites law cases that suggest Judgment of Acquittal is appropriate in this case.
3:20 p.m. ET: O'Mara is arguing Judgment of Acquittal motion now, in which he explains why he believes the State did not present enough evidence that Zimmerman committed a crime.
3:19 p.m. ET: State plans to rest the case when the jury comes back in.
3:18 p.m. ET: Judge Nelson approves both pieces of evidence de la Rionda would like to introduce to the jury: A timeline of events and weather information on the night of the shooting.
3:12 p.m. ET: De la Rionda enters several exhibits into evidence. Jury is not present for this.
2:56 p.m. ET: Bao is excused with subject to recall. Judge Nelson calls for a 10 minute recess.
2:54 p.m. ET: De la Rionda also asks Bao about his autopsy report, the notes he took during the autopsy, and reviewing photos from the scene of Martin's shooting.
2:49 p.m. ET: Bao tells de la Rionda he believes there was something between the gun and Martin's skin: Two shirts.
2:46 p.m. ET: West has finished questioning Bao. De la Rionda begins redirect.
2:38 p.m. ET: West asks Bao whether he thinks there was any distance between the skin of the victim and the gun. Bao says that based on the stipling, there was intermediate distance, which is 0.4 inches to 4 feet.
2:33 p.m. ET: Bao says he doesn't know how much Martin may have been able to move or talk after a gunshot injury.
2:27 p.m. ET: Bao describes the case that caused him to change his opinion of how long Martin lived after getting shot.
2:21 p.m. ET: Questioning turns once again to how long Martin may have lived after getting shot. West is questioning Bao's sources for his testimony.
2:19 p.m. ET: West asks if blood from the abrasions could be transferred to another surface, like clothing. Bao says it’s a possibility.
2:16 p.m. ET: Bao says the small abrasions on Martin's fingers could have happened up to two hours before his meeting with Zimmerman. He clarifies it's an estimation and that the injuries could have also come from him fight with Martin.
2:13 p.m. ET: West asks Bao if it was his conscious decision not to photograph Martin’s palms. Bao answers that during an autopsy, he looks for something significant, like injuries or disease, and doesn’t photograph the body part if there is nothing significant. He says he usually takes 5-10 photographs for each body during an autopsy.
2:04 p.m. ET: West is asking Bao about blood drawn for Martin's toxicology report. in this case, Bao says blood was drawn from Martin's chest for the toxicology report. Bao explains that normally, they try to get peripheral blood first, but in Martin's case, there was no blood left anywhere but his chest.
1:55 p.m. ET: West is asking Bao about the day of Martin's autopsy. Bao says he doesn't remember whether he was there for the packaging of Martin's clothing or the scraping of the fingernails.
1:52 p.m. ET: The jury is back in the courtroom.
1:49 p.m. ET: West asks the judge for permission to question Bao about the effects of THC on Martin's mind and body. The judge only allows brief questioning, without the presence of the jury. After the jury leaves the courtroom, Bao tells the court he believes that marijuana "could have no effect or some effect" on Martin. He cannot tell how much of an effect.
1:48 p.m. ET: Judge Nelson asked West three times to keep the focus of his questioning of Bao on the Richardson issue. After hearing testimony, court finds there is no violation of the Richardson issue.
1:42 p.m. ET: West asked the medical examiner, “When did you change your mind on the significance levels of THC on Martin’s mind?” Bao answered, “In the last 60 days.” He also said he has spent hours doing additional research and speaking with fellow experts to come to the new conclusion that marijuana may have had an effect on Martin.
1:38 p.m. ET: Bao cannot remember whether he told the lead prosecutor that his opinion changed about Martin’s time of death the day before today’s testimony, July 4.
1:34 p.m. ET: West is asking Bao why he changed his opinion about how long Martin took to die after the shooting, from 1-3 minutes to 1-10 minutes.
1:27 p.m. ET: The jury is not in the courtroom for the discussion of Bao's notes.
1:05 p.m. ET: Court is back in session and attorneys are conferring with Judge Nelson. They are discussing Bao's notes.
11:55 a.m. ET: West requests time to make copies of and review Bao's notes. He objects, but Judge Debra Nelson recesses the court for lunch. Copies will be made of his notes and Judge Nelson assures they'll be destroyed after his testimony ends.
11:53 am. ET: The defense attorneys grin while reviewing Bao's notes. From the witness stand, the medical examiner asks "Is there something funny there?"
11:50 a.m. ET: Bao is reading his answers off personal notes. "I typed out potential answers to your potential questions." West asks to see the notes, but Bao replied "I'd rather you not." Judge Nelson tells him both sides' attorneys are entitled to view his notes.
11:46 a.m. ET: West asks if Martin's wet clothes were sealed in a plastic bag before examination. "If anybody do that, he'll be gone the next day. This is a very basic concept," Bao says. He adds it's standard procedure to use a paper bag instead of a plastic bag for clothing.
11:38 a.m. ET: West and Bao are arguing about his not responding to West's question about the autopsy timeline. Judge Nelson tells the witness to "please stop speaking so Mr. West can ask the next question."
11:32 a.m. ET: West asks Bao about the time which passed between when Martin was shot and when his body was removed from the scene. West says it was a little less than three hours (approx. 7:15 p.m. to 10:10 p.m.) though Bao will not confirm that since he was not at the scene himself.
11:25 a.m. ET: Don West begins cross-examination of medical examiner Bao.
11:13 a.m. ET: Direct examination ends. Court is in a ten minute recess.
11:02 a.m. ET: "I believe Trayvon Martin was alive for one to ten minutes after he was shot." Confirms he could still feel pain.
11:00 a.m. ET: Medical examiner says he has "zero opinion" on the position of the body when Trayvon Martin was shot.
10:52 a.m. ET: Bao says, "I believe he was alive for one to ten minutes after he was shot. His heart was bleeding until there was no blood left." Of the single, fatal shot he adds, "There is no chance he could survive. Zero."
10:51 a.m. ET: He described the path of the bullet: "Perforations of anterior wall of space between 5th and 6th ribs. Bullet went through the pericardial sac, right ventricle of the heart, posterior wall of right ventricle of the heart. We recovered 1700 milliliters of blood in the right lower cavity, 1000 milliliters of blood in the left cavity."
10:50 a.m. ET: Tracy Martin and George Zimmerman look up at the display showing the autopsy photos of Trayvon Martin.
10:48 a.m. ET: Bao notes presence also of a small, "superficial aberration caused by blunt force trauma" on Martin's left hand. No injuries found on right hand.
10:45 a.m. ET: Sybrina Fulton left the courtroom before this testimony began. Martin's dad, Tracy Martin, is in the courtroom and looking up at the autopsy photos.
10:44 a.m. ET: Body of Trayvon Martin is seen on the autopsy table by jurors. Martin was 5'11", 158 pounds when he was killed, says Bao. The medical examiner says he was otherwise healthy.
10:40 a.m. ET: Bao is reviewing photos depicting Martin's clothing and a 3/8" bullet hole "consistent with an entrance wound."
10:37 a.m. ET: The first several photos, Bao says, show the bag in which Martin's body was held.
10:36 a.m. ET: Prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda is displaying autopsy photos. Trayvon Martin's father is seen rubbing his eyes.
10:29 a.m. ET: Bao says it's his opinion Martin did not die immediately and was "suffering, he was in pain" after the gunshot. Defense attorney Don West objects, saying Bao is making an emotional appeal and it's not relevant. The objection is sustained.
10:28 a.m. ET: Bao is describing Martin's wounds and the path of the bullet, which was located behind his heart, behind his right ventricle. Bao says the bullet also went through one of Martin's lungs.
10:22 a.m. ET: Bao says he has performed more than 3,000 autopsies, about 150 to 200 on homicide victims. He says the manner of Travon Martin's death was homicide.
10:20 a.m. ET: He is an expert in forensic pathology. Bao conducted the final autopsy on Trayvon Martin and determined the cause of death to be a gunshot wound to the chest.
10:17 a.m. ET: Fulton has been excused after identifying a button her son always wore. The State now calls Dr. Shiping Bao, the associate medical examiner in Voluscia and Seminole Counties. He is licensed in Florida and Texas.
10:12 a.m. ET: After a delay, the court is taking a five-minute recess.
10:03 a.m. ET: Jahvaris Fulton has been excused. State recalls Sybrina Fulton.
10:02 a.m. ET: Under re-direct, Jahvaris Fulton confirms hearing the 911 call that first time was emotional and he was in denial about his brother's death. Asked if he now believes it's Trayvon Martin on that tape he says, "yes."
10:00 a.m. ET: O'Mara ends his questioning.
9:57 a.m. ET: O'Mara addresses Fulton about hearing the 911 call for the first time, in the Sanford, Florida's mayor's office with his family and family attorneys. Fulton tells O'Mara, "I didn't want to listen to them again." after hearing the tapes twice that day. "It's emotional, I didn't want to listen to it."
9:53 a.m. ET: Court is back in session. Resumes with testimony of Jahvaris Fulton.
9:23 a.m. ET: Court is now in recess. There is an issue with the evidence locker and a locksmith has been summoned to fix the lock and retrieve the evidence.
9:23 a.m. ET: Judge Nelson denies request to play tape in court because "his answer is the same today as it was then, so that's not impeachment." Says there is no legal basis for playing interview for the jury.
9:22 a.m. ET: Court reporter is reading back Fulton's testimony as defense seeks impeachment. Judge Nelson that's "not impeachment." O'Mara continues to seek tape be played for jurors.
9:17 a.m. ET: Prosecutor John Guy says Fulton "did not equivocate" in his answer on the stand. He said at the time he wasn't sure it was his brother and again today he said he wasn't sure at the time.
9:16 a.m. ET: Tape is played while jury remains out. Reporter asks, "Who did you hear?" Fulton: "I'm not sure. Honestly, I haven't even listened to it that good. I've heard it. I would think it was my brother, but I am not completely positive that it is him." Interview was March 31, 2012.
9:15 a.m. ET: O'Mara says the tape should be played because Fulton has not sufficiently answered the question about what he told the Miami TV reporter. Moves for impeachment of Fulton.
9:13 a.m. ET: O'Mara asks to play the interview Jahvaris Fulton gave where he's asked about the identity of the voice on the 911 call. The jury is excused while the request is considered.
9:11 a.m. ET: "When I heard it in the mayor's office (for the first time), I guess I didn't want to believe it was him," Fulton says. "I was clouded by shock and sadness." O'Mara says the interview he gave was two weeks after that first listen. Fulton says he did not hear tape again in the interim.
9:10 a.m. ET: Mark O'Mara recalls Fulton interview where he once said he was not initially certain whose voice was screaming.
9:09 a.m. ET: Jahvaris Fulton says he's heard 911 call of his brother's shooting "10 to 15 times". "Whose voice do you recognize?" he's asked. "My brother's." Fulton says he's "heard him yell" before, but "not like that." Direct examination ends.
9:07 a.m. ET: "We were very close" Fulton says of relationship with his brother.
9:05 a.m. ET: Trayvon Martin's older brother, Jahvaris Fulton, 22, is called to testify. He is a student at Florida International University
9:04 a.m. ET: O'Mara to Fulton: "You certainly hope, as a mom, that your son Trayvon Martin would not have done anything that led to his death, correct?" Fulton replies, "What I hoped for is that nothing happened and he'd still be here. That's my hope." Then says "I don't believe he was" responsible for his own death. Sybrina Fulton is excused from the stand.
9:03 a.m. ET: Defense has no further questions. De la Rionda begins redirect.
9:02 a.m. ET: O'Mara asks if anyone had told Fulton she would be played the tape that day, to "prepare yourself" for it. "No," she says.
9:00 a.m. ET: "As his mother, there was no doubt it was him screaming?" O'Mara asks. "Absolutely," Fulton replies.
8:58 a.m. ET: Fulton says hearing the call was "absolutely" one of the worst things she ever experienced.
8:58 a.m. ET: O'Mara is asking Fulton about the first time she heard the 911 tape and reviews the people who were present.
8:55 a.m. ET: Mark O'Mara begins the cross-examination of Sybrina Fulton.
8:53 a.m. ET: The 911 call of Trayvon Martin's shooting is being played in court. Fulton says she recognizes the screaming as that of "Trayvon Benjamin Martin". No more questions from prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda.
8:52 a.m. ET: Fulton is asked about Martin's tattoos. She confirms he had two: praying hands on right upper shoulder with his grandmother and great-grandmother's name and Sybrina's name on his left wrist.
8:40 a.m. ET: The State has called Sybrina Fulton, the mother of Trayvon Martin, to testify.
8:35 a.m. ET: Court has been called into session. The parents of Trayvon Martin are in attendance in their usual seats behind the prosecution's table.
http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/07/04/george-zimmerman-trial-trayvon-martin-day-9?hpt=hp_t2
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The Zimmerman trial is already over
By John Lott
Published July 05, 2013
FoxNews.com
Prosecutors in the George Zimmerman second degree murder trial have pushed hard on two points as they seek to make their case against him: that the injuries to Zimmerman on the night Trayvon Martin died were “insignificant” and that he had studied Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” law in a college class in 2010.
To win conviction on second-degree murder, the prosecution has to show that the death was caused by a criminal act “demonstrating a depraved mind without regard for human life.”
That’s why the prosecutor keeps pushing the claim that Zimmerman profiled Martin because he was black. Meanwhile, the lesser charge of manslaughter generally is a crime that's been committed in the heat of passion, where there is no premeditation. The jury would have to believe Zimmerman lost his temper in shooting Martin.
This is a case that prosecutors should never have brought but they let politics influence their decision.
People can use force to protect themselves when they reasonably believe it is “necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to themselves.” On this score, the testimony of the Jacksonville medical examiner, Valerie Rao, that Zimmerman injuries were “insignificant” is largely irrelevant.
A broken nose, a head being slammed into cement, and punches to the face may not have left Zimmerman incapacitated. The important question is whether such an attack with a man on top of him would leave Zimmerman to “reasonably believe” that there was a threat of “imminent death or great bodily harm to himself.”
Much was also made of the class Zimmerman took class at Seminole State College taught by Professor Alexis Carter. The key supposedly was that Zimmerman really did understand Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” law. Prosecutor Richard Mantei told the court that Zimmerman's legal studies would help jurors understand his "state of mind" and "ambitions and frustrations" before the shooting.
Some pundits, such as Fox News’ Bob Beckel, bought the claim: “I think that the prosecution got back in the case today for a very simple reason: this professor made it very clear that Zimmerman knew everything about the ‘Stand Your Ground’ law and in that ‘Stand Your Ground,’ according to the professor, there are reasons that you could use your gun if necessary but this was not an extreme enough case to do that. I think that the prosecution is back in it, back in it strong.”
One can debate about whether Zimmerman remembered the part of that lecture from the class. Nevertheless, but it is really beside the point because whether Zimmerman’s actions were legal has nothing to do with the “Stand Your Ground” law.
Prior to “Stand Your Ground,” citizens who wanted to defend themselves from a criminal had to retreat as far as possible and then announce to the criminal that they were going to shoot. The “Stand Your Ground” law simply says replaced the original requirement to retreat to a “reasonable person’s” standard, instead stating that lethal force is justified when a reasonable person would believe that a criminal intends to inflict serious bodily harm or death.
But Zimmerman’s defense has never raised the “Stand Your Ground” law for one simple reason: with Zimmerman on his back and Trayvon Martin holding him down, he had no option to retreat.
None of the testimony ever explained why the “Stand Your Ground” law was even relevant to Zimmerman’s actions. How Beckel comes away with the notion all this means that Zimmerman didn’t have “an extreme enough case” to defend himself is hardly obvious.
Prosecutors’ problem is that they have to do more than eventually convince people that their version of events is “likely,” and they haven’t come close to doing that. Instead, they have to show that they are true beyond a “reasonable doubt.” To put it differently, to say something is “likely” just means that there is over a 50 percent chance it is true. To say something is beyond a reasonable doubt means that it is much closer to 100 percent.
The tragic thing about the case is how many people jumped to conclusions before they knew the facts. Many conservative commentators claimed early on that Zimmerman had acted improperly (Mona Charen, Rich Lowry, Heather Mac Donald, Robert VerBruggen, and Gregory Kane).
Comments by President Obama, Al Sharpton, and others surely stirred up the racial aspects of the case and appear to have generated many case across the country where blacks attacked whites to avenge Trayvon Martin (e.g.,Gainesville, Florida; Oak Park, Illinois; Mobile, Alabama; Toledo, Ohio; Grand Rapids, Michigan; and Norfolk, Virginia).
It is a case that prosecutors should never have brought, but they let politics influence their decision.
Next, it will be the defense’s turn to present their case. But, for all practical purposes, the Zimmerman trial is already over.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/07/05/zimmerman-trial-is-already-over/
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very fishy... I heard a voice on TV and knew it was my nephew, but i haven't followed the case a single bit since then, since i didnt think i might be called to the stand.
hmmmmmmmmmmm
also it was QUITE convenient that a dude who worked as a court deputy for years would know that little legal loophole ;)
I heard it on tv, nobody played it for me, i haven't followed the case and nobody swayed me...
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight . He wants his nephew to beat the rap and he just conveniently arrives with this unique perspective ;)
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but i haven't followed the case a single bit since then, since i didnt think i might be called to the stand.
hmmmmmmmmmmm
what a lying sack of shit you are...
Meza says that because of his position in the Sheriff's office, he tried to stay out of the case as much as possible....he wanted to stay impartial
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Show me a single one.
Are you aware that Zimmerman spoke, specifically, about the matter of whether he'd identified himself as a watch-person?
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what a lying sack of shit you are...
Meza says that because of his position in the Sheriff's office, he tried to stay out of the case as much as possible....he wanted to stay impartial
lol. Good grief.
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also it was QUITE convenient that a dude who worked as a court deputy for years would know that little legal loophole ;)
I heard it on tv, nobody played it for me, i haven't followed the case and nobody swayed me...
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight . He wants his nephew to beat the rap and he just conveniently arrives with this unique perspective ;)
lol and trayvons family had no reason to lie either hahhaha yup only zimmermans family had reason to lie....
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Are you aware that Zimmerman spoke, specifically, about the matter of whether he'd identified himself as a watch-person?
Are you aware of whether Zimmerman did or did not tell Martin he was part of the neighborhood watch, before Martin beat the crap out of him?
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Are you aware that Zimmerman spoke, specifically, about the matter of whether he'd identified himself as a watch-person?
whether he did or not doesnt matter, even if he wasnt neighborhood watch he was totally within his legal rights to follow trayvon....
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Looks like the issue has been in the news the past few days.
A while back, I saw a transcript where Zimmerman had been asked why he didn't identify himself as a watch-person, and he indicated that he didn't want to be confrontational.
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whether he did or not doesnt matter, even if he wasnt neighborhood watch he was totally within his legal rights to follow trayvon....
This comes from a question Straw asked earlier.
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This comes from a question Straw asked earlier.
it doesnt matter who it was from or what question it was in regards to.
zimmerman following trayvon WAS NOT ILLEGAL...plain simple and end of fucking story.......
nothing you can say or do will make it illegal.....
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it doesnt matter who it was from or what question it was in regards to.
zimmerman following trayvon WAS NOT ILLEGAL...plain simple and end of fucking story.......
nothing you can say or do will make it illegal.....
Well not according to the prosecutor. They argued today that Zimmerman following Martin was evidence of ill-will, hatred, malice, etc.
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Well not according to the prosecutor. They argued today that Zimmerman following Martin was evidence of ill-will, hatred, malice, etc.
hahah yes that guy did try to make the connection, he reminded me alot of 240 making up facts and assumptions left and right
I believe he even mentioned zimmermans mma training a number of times
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it doesnt matter who it was from or what question it was in regards to.
zimmerman following trayvon WAS NOT ILLEGAL...plain simple and end of fucking story.......
nothing you can say or do will make it illegal.....
As the idea is supposed to go, if Martin's death was unlawful, then following becomes part of the crime.
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But I'll admit to not knowing exactly what the prosecution is doing toward that.
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Well not according to the prosecutor. They argued today that Zimmerman following Martin was evidence of ill-will, hatred, malice, etc.
well, he told the 911 operator it looked like trayvon was on drugs and had something in his waistband.
i dont think any person who wanted to be a US Marshall so they could catch bad guys (as zimmerman stated) would look at a cracked-out potentially armed bike thief without ill will or hatred.
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well, he told the 911 operator it looked like trayvon was on drugs and had something in his waistband.
i dont think any person who wanted to be a US Marshall so they could catch bad guys (as zimmerman stated) would look at a cracked-out potentially armed bike thief without ill will or hatred.
he was on drugs and the medical examiner testified that it could have had inhibition limiting effects....
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he was on drugs and the medical examiner testified that it could have had inhibition limiting effects....
yep. which is probably why he was so quick to run away from the armed adult in a truck, contemplating which MMA takedown to perform on the hapless high school junior.
anyone who says pot makes you an aggressive street fighter is silly.
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well, he told the 911 operator it looked like trayvon was on drugs and had something in his waistband.
i dont think any person who wanted to be a US Marshall so they could catch bad guys (as zimmerman stated) would look at a cracked-out potentially armed bike thief without ill will or hatred.
you carry a gun so tell us if you're decided to follow a guy who you thought was on drugs and looked to you like he had something in his waistband would you have your gun out or your hand on your gun or ....?
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hahah yes that guy did try to make the connection, he reminded me alot of 240 making up facts and assumptions left and right
I believe he even mentioned zimmermans mma training a number of times
Their entire theory is retarded. And not supported by the evidence.
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you carry a gun so tell us if you're decided to follow a guy who you thought was on drugs and looked to you like he had something in his waistband would you have your gun out or your hand on your gun or ....?
Oh goodness, i do'nt care if i'm carrying a 50 caliber.... if i think a person is armed OR on drugs, NO WAY woudl I follow him.
At BEST, i'll win a gunfight and sit thru a bullshit trial. At WORST, i get capped.
Once a fcking fool would chase after a dude he thought to be armed and on drugs, especially with police minutes away.
And only a fcking moron would support such a fool.
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yep. which is probably why he was so quick to run away from the armed adult in a truck, contemplating which MMA takedown to perform on the hapless high school junior.
anyone who says pot makes you an aggressive street fighter is silly.
anyone who thinks 18 months or training 3 times a week makes you a deadly weapon is an idiot......
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Oh goodness, i do'nt care if i'm carrying a 50 caliber.... if i think a person is armed OR on drugs, NO WAY woudl I follow him.
At BEST, i'll win a gunfight and sit thru a bullshit trial. At WORST, i get capped.
Once a fcking fool would chase after a dude he thought to be armed and on drugs, especially with police minutes away.
And only a fcking moron would support such a fool.
agreed zimmerman is a moron, didnt do anything illegal but a moron
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anyone who thinks 18 months or training 3 times a week makes you a deadly weapon is an idiot......
anyone who drives a truck is a potentially deadly weapon lol.
a gun is a deadly weapon... tossed into the hands of a guy who wrote papers about catching bad guys...
and the confidence that "I can handle this 159 pound twink"...
I think more than anything, i'm embarassed for him. 159 pounds is beyond weak.
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you carry a gun so tell us if you're decided to follow a guy who you thought was on drugs and looked to you like he had something in his waistband would you have your gun out or your hand on your gun or ....?
No way. I would never let anyone have a clue that I was armed until I was ready to fire the weapon. Doing so if you have no intention of using it either makes a giant douche or a total dumbass.
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I think more than anything, i'm embarassed for him. 159 pounds is beyond weak.
You are a fucking idiot Rob.
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anyone who drives a truck is a potentially deadly weapon lol.
a gun is a deadly weapon... tossed into the hands of a guy who wrote papers about catching bad guys...
and the confidence that "I can handle this 159 pound twink"...
I think more than anything, i'm embarassed for him. 159 pounds is beyond weak.
spoken like a person who has never been in a physical altercation in their life
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Oh goodness, i do'nt care if i'm carrying a 50 caliber.... if i think a person is armed OR on drugs, NO WAY woudl I follow him.
At BEST, i'll win a gunfight and sit thru a bullshit trial. At WORST, i get capped.
Once a fcking fool would chase after a dude he thought to be armed and on drugs, especially with police minutes away.
And only a fcking moron would support such a fool.
settle down and try to focus
I ask IF you decided to follow the guy (remember Zimm was a wanna be cop) when do you pull out your gun
At some point that gun came out and he shot Martin.....we know that
When do you think he pulled out the gun ?
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strawman would you attack a man with a gun pointed at you?
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strawman would you attack a man with a gun pointed at you?
I'm not StrawMan but I'll give you my answer. It depends om the circumstances. But generally, if I thought he just wanted, say, my wallet and given it would leave me alone, probably not. If I thought he was going to try and kill me one way or another, then yes, absolutely.
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I'm not StrawMan but I'll give you my answer. It depends om the circumstances. But generally, if I thought he just wanted, say, my wallet and given it would leave me alone, probably not. If I thought he was going to try and kill me one way or another, then yes, absolutely.
agree, what would the person have to do to convince you their intentions where to kill you?
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settle down and try to focus
I ask IF you decided to follow the guy (remember Zimm was a wanna be cop) when do you pull out your gun
At some point that gun came out and he shot Martin.....we know that
When do you think he pulled out the gun ?
Seeing as how it's impossible to pull a gun while your arms are pinned by a kid mounting you....
well, methinks if he really is as gung-ho about being a cop, it was probably drawn and barely under a shirt in hand while searching the yards.
and i think he'll be found guilty because of the missing 2 minutes... he was searching for trayvon, and found him.
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Seeing as how it's impossible to pull a gun while your arms are pinned by a kid mounting you....
well, methinks if he really is as gung-ho about being a cop, it was probably drawn and barely under a shirt in hand while searching the yards.
and i think he'll be found guilty because of the missing 2 minutes... he was searching for trayvon, and found him.
will this backfire? Surely the jury, if they had to choose between murder and walking - would have to let him walk.
man you just cant make up your mind there can you dipshit?
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strawman would you attack a man with a gun pointed at you?
maybe, if I thought he was going to shoot me and I saw an opportunity
I've had a gun pointed at me before
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Seeing as how it's impossible to pull a gun while your arms are pinned by a kid mounting you....
well, methinks if he really is as gung-ho about being a cop, it was probably drawn and barely under a shirt in hand while searching the yards.
and i think he'll be found guilty because of the missing 2 minutes... he was searching for trayvon, and found him.
your arms arent pinned when someone has you in the mount, numbnuts.
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maybe, if I thought he was going to shoot me and I saw an opportunity
I've had a gun pointed at me before
As have I, more than once and I never rushed the person holding the gun
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your arms arent pinned when someone has you in the mount, numbnuts.
Lol give him a break shock this kid believes 18 months of training 3 times a week makes you a deadly weapon
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Lol give him a break shock this kid believes 18 months of training 3 times a week makes you a deadly weapon
yeah im beginning to realize that Rob knows far less that what I gave hik credit for.
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agree, what would the person have to do to convince you their intentions where to kill you?
I don't think I can answer that question - it would be a snap judgement at that moment.
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I don't think I can answer that question - it would be a snap judgement at that moment.
smart answer. No one really knows how their flight/fight reaction would play out until theyve been in those kinds of situations
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I'll be the first to admit, the prosecution hasn't done what they've needed to do.
At this point, at least, 'guilty' would be nothing more than an emotional response.
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http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest-News-Wires/2012/0326/Trayvon-Martin-was-suspended-from-school-at-time-of-death-report-says
THUG-LIFE
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At this point, at least, 'guilty' would be nothing more than an emotional response.
I'd expect nothing less from a jury that is the product of the FL school system with 5/6 of them being mothers.
how many of them want to see a gun-toting zimmerman starting fights on their street corner next week, perhaps capping one of their children who has the audacity to walk while eating skittles.
If they convict, it won't be on the law, it'll be on emotions. You're right. Juries do that shit all the time.
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I'd expect nothing less from a jury that is the product of the FL school system with 5/6 of them being mothers.
how many of them want to see a gun-toting zimmerman starting fights on their street corner next week, perhaps capping one of their children who has the audacity to walk while eating skittles.
If they convict, it won't be on the law, it'll be on emotions. You're right. Juries do that shit all the time.
His current obese status may work in his favor. He looks less menacing and more like a fat youth pastor.
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His current obese status may work in his favor. He looks less menacing and more like a fat youth pastor.
the jury got to see the video of him - skinny, shaved head, big ass 9mm.... running the streets chasing down teenagers.
I think this really is a frightening image for the mothers on the jury. he meant well, but he had no problem running into the dark against a person he thought to be on drugs and possibly armed. If he's not malicious/murderous, then he is CERTAINLY dangerous and irresponsible.
Think about that... zimmerman will be back on the streets with his 9mm in a week or two... dirving around ready to let shots fly, ready to chase high school juniors... ready to fire bullets to end fights he provokes. Scary.
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His current obese status may work in his favor. He looks less menacing and more like a fat youth pastor.
The guy who runs the MMA gym where Zimmerman trained is on the stand now. Essentially called him the Pillsbury Dough Boy. Said he was obese, lost about 50 to 80 pounds, was weak, and was never skilled enough to get in the ring. Destroying the inference that Zimmerman was some skilled fighter.
They also got into evidence Martin's father admitting the day after the shooting that the voice yelling for help was not his son.
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The guy who runs the MMA gym where Zimmerman trained is on the stand now. Essentially called him the Pillsbury Dough Boy. Said he was obese, lost about 50 to 80 pounds, was weak, and was never skilled enough to get in the ring. Destroying the inference that Zimmerman was some skilled fighter.
They also got into evidence Martin's father admitting the day after the shooting that the voice yelling for help was not his son.
Like we didnt see this coming. Dude is a wannabe in every sense of the word.
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Like we didnt see this coming. Dude is a wannabe in every sense of the word.
I don't see him as a wannabe anything. Just a normal, average dude who cares about his community and tried to get in shape.
More of what the guy said:
On a scale of 1 to 10 in regards to boxing proficiency, Pollack gives Zimmerman a 0.5 when he first started.
Pollack says Zimmerman never got in the ring -- "He wasn't skilled enough for that."
After training, Pollack says of Zimmerman: "He's still learning how to punch, he didn't really know how to effectively punch."
"Did he ever get to the point where he could box somebody else?" asked defense attorney O'Mara.
"Absolutely not," said Pollack.
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I don't see him as a wannabe anything. Just a normal, average dude who cares about his community and tried to get in shape.
More of what the guy said:
On a scale of 1 to 10 in regards to boxing proficiency, Pollack gives Zimmerman a 0.5 when he first started.
Pollack says Zimmerman never got in the ring -- "He wasn't skilled enough for that."
After training, Pollack says of Zimmerman: "He's still learning how to punch, he didn't really know how to effectively punch."
"Did he ever get to the point where he could box somebody else?" asked defense attorney O'Mara.
"Absolutely not," said Pollack.
He certainly isn't the type brave enough to start a street fight.
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He certainly isn't the type brave enough to start a street fight.
I wouldn't call starting a street fight "brave." I'd call it stupid. You could wind up dead. Especially if you start a street fight with an armed man.
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The guy who runs the MMA gym where Zimmerman trained is on the stand now. Essentially called him the Pillsbury Dough Boy. Said he was obese, lost about 50 to 80 pounds, was weak, and was never skilled enough to get in the ring. Destroying the inference that Zimmerman was some skilled fighter.
They also got into evidence Martin's father admitting the day after the shooting that the voice yelling for help was not his son.
he's a defense witness, friends with georgie doing everything he can to help zimm win this trial.
he's a defense witness, meaning he is called only because he can help georgey.
he's a defense witness with a smirk trying to keep zimm out of jail. its pretty obvious.
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he's a defense witness, friends with georgie doing everything he can to help zimm win this trial.
he's a defense witness, meaning he is called only because he can help georgey.
he's a defense witness with a smirk trying to keep zimm out of jail. its pretty obvious.
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he's a defense witness, friends with georgie doing everything he can to help zimm win this trial.
he's a defense witness, meaning he is called only because he can help georgey.
he's a defense witness with a smirk trying to keep zimm out of jail. its pretty obvious.
Tool.
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^^^ This.
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Tool.
There are a lot of pics out there showing the U-shape cut on back of head happens to match the unique butt shape of that keltec he was carrying.
He took college courses on self-defense... dude knows the law VERY well... probably had the sense to crack his own head in the 2 minutes standing in the dark with a kid as he bleeds out.
IF this was a well-planned execution... Well, there would be NO BETTER PREPARED MAN for it than zimmerman. I mean, police training, urge to chase bad guys, hates a=holes, calls 911, creates the fight, falls to the bottom despite 500 hours of grappling training and smaller person... screams for help, shoots in heart, and has a story full of holes caused by changes he made to match the self-defense statute in Florida.
makes you wonder. IF he was going to plan and do this, a dude with his history of shoving cops, beating women, and preparing for this... well, you could find no better prepared man to pull off such an execution
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There are a lot of pics out there showing the U-shape cut on back of head happens to match the unique butt shape of that keltec he was carrying.
He took college courses on self-defense... dude knows the law VERY well... probably had the sense to crack his own head in the 2 minutes standing in the dark with a kid as he bleeds out.
IF this was a well-planned execution... Well, there would be NO BETTER PREPARED MAN for it than zimmerman. I mean, police training, urge to chase bad guys, hates a=holes, calls 911, creates the fight, falls to the bottom despite 500 hours of grappling training and smaller person... screams for help, shoots in heart, and has a story full of holes caused by changes he made to match the self-defense statute in Florida.
makes you wonder. IF he was going to plan and do this, a dude with his history of shoving cops, beating women, and preparing for this... well, you could find no better prepared man to pull off such an execution
Oh stop it you lying liar. He did not take a college course on self defense. lol.
But yes, a 911 Troofer would absolutely believe that in the seconds after getting the crap beat out of him, and before anyone could see, Zimmerman clocked himself in the back of his head with his gun to fake an injury. lol. He probably punched himself in the nose too. lol . . . .
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18 months of training and still cannot throw a right hook?
Sorry, but that's either the most ineffective training facility in the history of training facilities, or the dude is smiling so hard because he wants zimm to beat the rap.
500 hours and can't throw a punch yet? Smells like bullshit. Anyone who believes this, well they probably believe Hermann cain was framed by 14 women simultaneously. They probably believe clinton didn't consider a BJ to be sex. They probably believe a lot of nonsense. Doesn't pass smell test. Tehy're downplaing his skill, it's obvious.
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Oh stop it you lying liar. He did not take a college course on self defense. lol.
But yes, a 911 Troofer would absolutely believe that in the seconds after getting the crap beat out of him, and before anyone could see, Zimmerman clocked himself in the back of his head with his gun to fake an injury. lol. He probably punched himself in the nose too. lol . . . .
wow, you're emotionally involved in this case pretty heavily, huh?
both people involved were pieces of shit. zimmerman shoved cops and punched women and stuck his fingers inside the vagina of his underage cousin. I'm surprised you would back him so intensely. I'm not calling trayvon an angel - he was a POS thug. But so was zimmerman.
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wow, you're emotionally involved in this case pretty heavily, huh?
both people involved were pieces of shit. zimmerman shoved cops and punched women and stuck his fingers inside the vagina of his underage cousin. I'm surprised you would back him so intensely. I'm not calling trayvon an angel - he was a POS thug. But so was zimmerman.
Hardly. Just calling a tool a tool. Do you ever tell the truth? Even sometimes?
Every time I actually read the stuff you post it reminds of why I usually ignore it. :) lol
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Hardly. Just calling a tool a tool. Do you ever tell the truth? Even sometimes?
Every time I actually read the stuff you post it reminds of why I usually ignore it. :) lol
well, usually when one attacks the MESSENGER so intensely, it's because they really can't argue the MESSAGE.
When I present a theory or make a point or point to evidence, and someone argues it, I look at what they're saying and learn from it, etc.
When I share my idea and they bring up 911 troofers or call me a fcknuggetretawdmoron, I realize they can't dispute what I'm saying and just want the discussion to turn into a battle of insults, which is really a waste of time. We don't learn from that, and that is why i'm here, to learn from different points of views.
And my point, there there would be no better prepared person to orchestrate such a fight in order to kill someone - down to the pulling him on top to make the shoot look legal - it would be zimmerman. he did everything right, except for lie about those details needed to make it a legal shoot. The things he has lied about, they're not in dispute. He wasn't smothered. Trayvon's hand wasn't over his face at all after being punched. And we have zero evidence either man started the fight. But if you want ot insult my posts on 911 from 8 years ago because you don't dispute this, its cool
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Rob, I think sometimes in life we just gotta know when to fold em.
Your arguments in this matter is a textbook example of that phrase.
Just walk away bro.
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well, usually when one attacks the MESSENGER so intensely, it's because they really can't argue the MESSAGE.
When I present a theory or make a point or point to evidence, and someone argues it, I look at what they're saying and learn from it, etc.
When I share my idea and they bring up 911 troofers or call me a fcknuggetretawdmoron, I realize they can't dispute what I'm saying and just want the discussion to turn into a battle of insults, which is really a waste of time. We don't learn from that, and that is why i'm here, to learn from different points of views.
And my point, there there would be no better prepared person to orchestrate such a fight in order to kill someone - down to the pulling him on top to make the shoot look legal - it would be zimmerman. he did everything right, except for lie about those details needed to make it a legal shoot. The things he has lied about, they're not in dispute. He wasn't smothered. Trayvon's hand wasn't over his face at all after being punched. And we have zero evidence either man started the fight. But if you want ot insult my posts on 911 from 8 years ago because you don't dispute this, its cool
In this instance, I really don't feel like going through and pointing out all of the outright lies you tell. I may address one or three here and there, but if I was to read everything you post and respond to all of the garbage you put on the board, it would take all friggin day. Easier to just call you a tool. :)
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In this instance, I really don't feel like going through and pointing out all of the outright lies you tell. I may address one or three here and there, but if I was to read everything you post and respond to all of the garbage you put on the board, it would take all friggin day. Easier to just call you a tool. :)
ok that's cool then.
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that won't change the person he is. sex crime accusations as a youth. substance abuse ordered by state after shoving a cop. put his hands on a woman. cornered a high school junior in a dark alley with a gun.
he is what he is. He'll be back on the street with a new 9mm in two weeks. He'll walk around ready to fcking unload his weapon on any person who make him 'fear for his life'. He'll believe he was punched several dozen times, not once. He'll believe he was smothered, as tapes show he was not. he'll believe he SHOULD get out and run at a person on drugs with a possible weapon, because he WANTS that kinda drama.
He'll find it again. I just hope the small town he chooses to move to isn't mine lol... ZImmerman will have more violence in his future. it's just how he's built. tried to be a cop, tried mMA, tried to patrol backwards, tried to punch a cop... it's how he is. he's not ever 30 and he's already hit his wife, pushed a cop, killed a high schooler. Bad things just keep happenined to this guy, never his fault...
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Oh dear. This is awkward.
If Mr. Martin starts to cry on the stand and shout, "HE KILLED MY SON, HE KILLED MY SON!!" that would be something.
Very risky.
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trayvon's dad did go off script with "I just want to know why he exited his vehicle to chase after my son". Completely unprompted but the jury did hear it.
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Toxicology results are coming in showing Martin had pot in his system. Good. The jury should know.
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trayvon's dad did go off script with "I just want to know why he exited his vehicle to chase after my son". Completely unprompted but the jury did hear it.
Cause his son was acting like a ghetto criminal the type of which was terrorizing the hood
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Toxicology results are coming in showing Martin had pot in his system. Good. The jury should know.
weird they didn't test zimmerman for alcohol that night.
history of state-sanctioned alcohol abuse, coming back from target on a sunday night... chases a kid thru yards for a street name he doesn't know (when he's been patrolling the place for years and there are only 3 streets)
and nobody thinks to test him? LOL
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Cause his son was acting like a ghetto criminal the type of which was terrorizing the hood
see, this is just silliness. He was terrorizing the hood? please list the crimes he committed that day. And don't say assault unless you have some evidence.
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see, this is just silliness. He was terrorizing the hood? please list the crimes he committed that day. And don't say assault unless you have some evidence.
I didn't say he was - saying that he was acting like the ones who were.
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I didn't say he was - saying that he was acting like the ones who were.
how was he acting like one? The clothes he wore? I dont get it.
i dont think zimm was a racist. I think he would have chased a white kid in a hoodie just as quickly. I don't think he would have called 911 on a Condi Rice. The look - age, clothes, lack of a purpose - are what I think made him get out of truck in the night with a 9mm and chase after a person who was fleeing to opposite side of park from where zimm lived.
i'm tired of this case. He's a bag of shit. trayvon probably was too - he belonged in jail for drugs of course. But I'm sad knowing zimmmerman may beat this, and he'll be back on the streets carrying his 9mm... and he'll do it again. I betcha. He will. He didn't "cool off" after shoving a cop and pleading to avoid felony assault on a LEO. He didn't "cool off" after domestic abuse charge. I don't think he'll cool off here. It'll be worse than ever, always looking for a reason to protect himself now that he'll believe everyone on the street has mtive. As long as he has a busted nose and an inconsistent story, you can't PROVE he's a violent mutherfvvker who loves confrontations.
but he is. You know it.
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Gold teeth, ghetto slide, hoodie, pants around ass, attitude problem - profile of a thug
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Gold teeth, ghetto slide, hoodie, pants around ass, attitude problem - profile of a thug
true.... but bernie madoff was 100000x the thief that Trayvon ever was.
And in order for this to be true, you have to admit it's profiling.
I love the "pot is going to make him more aggressive and violent" after he fled 2 blocks to avoid a fight a the bus stop.
Now the defense witness is about to testify pot makes people violent and murderous. Jury is going to love this one hahahahaha
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true.... but bernie madoff was 100000x the thief that Trayvon ever was.
And in order for this to be true, you have to admit it's profiling.
I love the "pot is going to make him more aggressive and violent" after he fled 2 blocks to avoid a fight a the bus stop.
Now the defense witness is about to testify pot makes people violent and murderous. Jury is going to love this one hahahahaha
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Today's summary. Two most important items IMO were the toxicology results coming in and Zimmerman's MMA instructor talking about what a marshmellow he was.
http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/07/08/george-zimmerman-trial-trayvon-martin-day-10?hpt=hp_c2
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Today's summary. Two most important items IMO were the toxicology results coming in and Zimmerman's MMA instructor talking about what a marshmellow he was.
http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/07/08/george-zimmerman-trial-trayvon-martin-day-10?hpt=hp_c2
how much MMA training did Martin have?
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how much MMA training did Martin have?
Does not matter. Ghetto attitude and general aggression easily beats a beta like Zimm any day.
We have twinks in our Oyama class that would break thait hands on the heavy bag they were so frail and weak yet they still were considered training in Karate.
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Does not matter. Ghetto attitude and general aggression easily beats a beta like Zimm any day.
We have twinks in our Oyama class that would break thait hands on the heavy bag they were so frail and weak yet they still were considered training in Karate.
convenient answer since he had no training
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Analysis: George Zimmerman Probably Won't Be Convicted of Murder or Manslaughter -- Here's Why
ANALYSIS by DAN ABRAMS
July 7, 2013
I drew a legal conclusion on "Good Morning America" Saturday that would have surprised the Dan Abrams who covered the George Zimmerman case leading up to, and shortly after, his arrest.
Now that the prosecution's case against Zimmerman is in, as a legal matter, I just don't see how a jury convicts him of second degree murder or even manslaughter in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin.
So what happened? How can an armed man who shot and killed an unarmed teen after being told by the police that he didn't need to keep following him, likely be found not guilty of those crimes?
Tune into "Nightline" MONDAY, July 8 at 12:35 a.m. ET for "Nightline" co-anchor Dan Abrams' in-depth coverage of the George Zimmerman trial.
I certainly sympathize with the anger and frustration of the Martin family and doubt that a jury will accept the entirety of George Zimmerman's account as credible. But based on the legal standard and evidence presented by prosecutors it is difficult to see how jurors find proof beyond a reasonable doubt that it wasn't self defense.
Prosecutors are at a distinct legal disadvantage.
They have the burden to prove that Zimmerman did not "reasonably believe" that the gunshot was "necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm" to himself. That is no easy feat based on the evidence presented in their case. Almost every prosecution witness was called to discredit the only eyewitness who unquestionably saw everything that occurred that night, George Zimmerman.
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The essence of Zimmerman's account is basically as follows:
He spotted Martin, became suspicious, called police, was told he didn't need to follow him, was only out of his car to give the authorities an address, was jumped and then pummeled by Martin and as he was being punched and having his head knocked into the ground, Martin went for Zimmerman's firearm and Zimmerman shot him once in the chest.
The prosecution, on the other hand, called 38 witnesses to try to show: Zimmerman was a wannabe cop who regularly reported black strangers in his neighborhood; initiated and was at least at one point, on top during the encounter; that Zimmerman's injuries were minor and that many aspects of his accounts to the police and media were inconsistent and/or lies.
For a moment, lets put aside the fact that many of the prosecution witnesses seemed to help Zimmerman in one way or another.
As a legal matter, even if jurors find parts of Zimmerman's story fishy, that is not enough to convict. Even if they believe that Zimmerman initiated the altercation, and that his injuries were relatively minor, that too would be insufficient evidence to convict. Prosecutors have to effectively disprove self defense beyond a reasonable doubt. So what exactly would that mean based on the facts as we know them?
Let's take a hypothetical, but realistic, scenario whereby jurors don't believe Zimmerman when he says he wasn't following Martin (the lead detective who seemed to find Zimmerman's account credible had a problem with this part of Zimmerman's account).
Let's also assume they believe Zimmerman approached Martin and it is only because Zimmerman was tailing Trayvon Martin that a fight ensued. First of all, the fact that there was a fight at all makes a murder conviction difficult. To win a murder conviction, they have to show he had the intent to kill and did so with "depraved mind, hatred, malice, evil intent or ill will."
While prosecutors argue that Zimmerman's statements to the 911 operator about the "f------ punks" always "getting away," shows ill will, most legal analysts felt from the beginning that with a fight, a murder charge was overreaching.
Manslaughter is far more likely to create debate in that jury room (there could also be even lesser crimes they consider, where they could find him guilty of something).
Zimmerman's injuries alone -- his broken nose and cuts on the back of his head -- are objective evidence to support his account that he shot Martin as he was being pummeled.
Just as important is the testimony of neighbor John Good, who lived directly in front of the location where Martin was shot. He very precisely (but reluctantly) testified that he saw the lighter skinned man in the red jacket on the bottom of the scuffle with the darker skinned man with the darker clothing on the top in a "mixed martial arts position." He said he now believes that Trayvon Martin was on top of Zimmerman.
But wait, another witness said she thought Zimmerman was likely on top. Put aside the fact that Good's home is the closest to the incident and that her testimony didn't seem nearly as credible or definitive as Good's, that doesn't change the legal reality that one does not negate the other.
The prosecution has the burden to prove the case and so if there is reasonable doubt, the defense wins. Good's testimony in conjunction with Zimmerman's injuries are likely enough to cast reasonable doubt on the key question, which is whether Zimmerman reasonably believed he needed to shoot Martin to prevent "great bodily injury."
Trayvon Martin's Mother Offers Emotional Testimony in Murder Trial Watch Video
George Zimmerman Trial Day 9: Prosecution Rests Its Case Watch Video
Trayvon Martin's Mother, Brother Testify Watch Video
Of course, the jurors could also accept all or the vast majority of Zimmerman's account, making an acquittal that much easier.
What about the fact that prosecution witnesses have testified that his injuries were not that significant? While interesting (and debatable), the only relevant legal question is what was Zimmerman thinking or fearing at the time, not what already occurred.
In many self defense cases the person who shoots a fatal bullet suffers no injuries at all and instead argues he or she protected himself or herself from injury by shooting the attacker.
So wait, let's take a step back. If jurors believe Zimmerman followed Martin, maybe even racially profiled him and initiated the altercation, can Zimmerman still legally claim he needed to defend himself and walk free? Yes.
If these jurors have questions or doubts about whether, at the moment he fired the fatal shot, Zimmerman "reasonably" feared that this was the only way to stop from getting beaten further, then they have to find him not guilty.
To be clear, if we were talking about Florida's controversial Stand Your Ground Law, who initiated the encounter would be crucial and the defendant would have the burden to prove that he should not be held legally responsible for the shooting. That law, which can protect a shooter from even going to trial, wasn't designed for someone who starts a fight and then loses the fight he initiated.
Zimmerman waived a pre-trial Stand Your Ground hearing and went directly to trial (likely because his lawyers knew they would lose) and simply argued classic self-defense, which is different. Now no matter how it started, if Zimmerman shot Martin because he reasonably believed it was the only way to protect himself from "great bodily harm" then he is not guilty. That's the law.
With all of this said, juries are notoriously impossible to predict and the deliberation process can take on a life of its own, but if they follow the letter of the law, it's hard to see, based on everything we know now, how they find him guilty of either murder or even manslaughter.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-convicted-murder-manslaughter/story?id=19598422#.Uds-8Bbpe1l
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Lol at legal analysis from DAN ABRAMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hahahahah he was the MAN at MSNBC for years. THAT dan abrams? lololololollllllllllllll lll
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that won't change the person he is. sex crime accusations as a youth. substance abuse ordered by state after shoving a cop. put his hands on a woman. cornered a high school junior in a dark alley with a gun.
he is what he is. He'll be back on the street with a new 9mm in two weeks. He'll walk around ready to fcking unload his weapon on any person who make him 'fear for his life'. He'll believe he was punched several dozen times, not once. He'll believe he was smothered, as tapes show he was not. he'll believe he SHOULD get out and run at a person on drugs with a possible weapon, because he WANTS that kinda drama.
He'll find it again. I just hope the small town he chooses to move to isn't mine lol... ZImmerman will have more violence in his future. it's just how he's built. tried to be a cop, tried mMA, tried to patrol backwards, tried to punch a cop... it's how he is. he's not ever 30 and he's already hit his wife, pushed a cop, killed a high schooler. Bad things just keep happenined to this guy, never his fault...
If Zimmerman doesn't wise up, and if he continues to carry a gun, I would bet anything that he will be involved in another shooting in the future.
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If Zimmerman doesn't wise up, and if he continues to carry a gun, I would bet anything that he will be involved in another shooting in the future.
Dodging a felony conviction for assaulting a cop would scare the SHIT out of most people. They'd fly straight. They woudln't be hit with a restraining order a few months later for dotting the wife's eye.
After that, you think he would run AWAY from drama, confrontations, anything that might involve people getting hurt or worse. He ran AT IT.
He just loved drama. Some people are just built to thrive on it, to crave it. There's no way he goes from the drama of shoving cops, beating women, shooting trayvon, beating the rap on a murder charge - to suddenly watching TV all day.
Oh no, he'll be doing talk shows. he'll give speeches. He'll do commercials and be on hannity commenting anytime guns are in the news - a hero to those who hate people like trayvon. He'll stay active, he'll have an 'incident' on a monthly basis with someone. He'll put his nose in people's business again. And sadly, he might hurt someone again some day. He's just built to do that. history of sexual perversion and abuse of others. Sickening.
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Today's summary. Two most important items IMO were the toxicology results coming in and Zimmerman's MMA instructor talking about what a marshmellow he was.
http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/07/08/george-zimmerman-trial-trayvon-martin-day-10?hpt=hp_c2
If he's a marshmallow, it's all the more reason to either use the gun correctly or stay the hell away from known potential trouble.
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If he's a marshmallow, it's all the more reason to either use the gun correctly or stay the hell away from known potential trouble.
LMFAO what in your mind is "using the gun correctly"?
let me guess youre not a gun owner?
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LMFAO what in your mind is "using the gun correctly"?
let me guess youre not a gun owner?
Using a gun correctly is not allowing yourself to be--and certainly not willingly placing yourself in--a situation where you may lose control of the gun.
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Not sure what the prosecution thinks they're doing. They seem to be going for a "how dare he", which doesn't make sense. They'll have to hope these women are all on the same page with an emotional reaction.
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this case is about one thing - THE JURY.
Think about their education, their emotions, their situation. I mean, poor dumb people, that county.
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Using a gun correctly is not allowing yourself to be--and certainly not willingly placing yourself in--a situation where you may lose control of the gun.
well then zimmerman used the gun correctly didnt he? when the situation where he could lose the gun presented itself he made sure to deal with accordingly.
only a retard who knows little to nothing about guns thinks a guy walks up to another person with their gun drawn....::)
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Not sure what the prosecution thinks they're doing. They seem to be going for a "how dare he", which doesn't make sense. They'll have to hope these women are all on the same page with an emotional reaction.
they are doing what they can with the facts that they have, they cant make up scenarios like you guys do....
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they are doing what they can with the facts that they have, they cant make up scenarios like you guys do....
given the number of 'inconsistencies' in zimmerman's story, i'd say there's a whole lotta scenario-making-up going on ;)
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given the number of 'inconsistencies' in zimmerman's story, i'd say there's a whole lotta scenario-making-up going on ;)
the inconsistencies were deemed insignificant by a professional law enforcement detective....
there have been no facts to disprove any of zimmermans testimony, as a matter of fact there is an eye witness to verify his testimony.
There are injuries to verify his testimony, there are expert witness FROM THE PROSECUTION to verify his testimony.
sorry bro, you cant make up facts in court...guessing thats why you never went to law school.......
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the inconsistencies were deemed insignificant by a professional law enforcement detective....
the same lead detective who wanted to charge him with manslaughter, right?
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the same lead detective who wanted to charge him with manslaughter, right?
yup and since they went with murder 2 thats irrelevant to the conversation just like the fact zimmerman got out of his truck to follow trayvon...
LOL but you morons keep on keeping on
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well then zimmerman used the gun correctly didnt he? when the situation where he could lose the gun presented itself he made sure to deal with accordingly.
According to him, Martin almost got control of the gun. The gun could have fired at any time during the struggle, and an innocent bystander could have been hit. So don't tell me Zimmerman behaved responsibly with the gun, when he could have kept his ass in his truck and waited for the police.
only a retard who knows little to nothing about guns thinks a guy walks up to another person with their gun drawn....::)
*IF* you know you have a legitimate reason to detain a person, and you are going to take the responsibility for such an action, that's exactly what you do, Tony. It is your responsibility to lessen the probability for injury or death for all concerned parties. Period. Don't try to tell me otherwise. This shit is common sense.
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...and by the way, knowing you have a legitimate reason means being prepared to shoot the person if he tries to take your gun.
That's how legitimate your reason had better be.
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Something that gets lost in all this, is that it happened due to crazy shit in Zimmerman's mind.
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According to him, Martin almost got control of the gun. The gun could have fired at any time during the struggle, and an innocent bystander could have been hit. So don't tell me Zimmerman behaved responsibly with the gun, when he could have kept his ass in his truck and waited for the police.
spoken like a true gun fearing moron...guns just dont go off for no reason there brainchild...they have something called a trigger and without it getting pulled it generally wont go off...
it also has something called a safety, how do you know zimmermans safety wasnt on?
*IF* you know you have a legitimate reason to detain a person, and you are going to take the responsibility for such an action, that's exactly what you do, Tony. It is your responsibility to lessen the probability for injury or death for all concerned parties. Period. Don't try to tell me otherwise. This shit is common sense.
not this stupidity again, please dont chase your tail anymore with this idiocy....
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...and by the way, knowing you have a legitimate reason means being prepared to shoot the person if he tries to take your gun.
That's how legitimate your reason had better be.
someone trying to take your gun is a legit reason, someone beating the shit out of you is a legit reason...
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spoken like a true gun fearing moron...guns just dont go off for no reason there brainchild...they have something called a trigger and without it getting pulled it generally wont go off...
So glad to know if a struggle doesn't cause the trigger to be pulled, that it "generally" won't go off.
it also has something called a safety, how do you know zimmermans safety wasnt on?
I don't know. Do you know? Do you know it won't be altered in a fight?
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someone trying to take your gun is a legit reason, someone beating the shit out of you is a legit reason...
He knew these things were possibilities when he allowed himself to travel in that direction.
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So glad to know if a struggle doesn't cause the trigger to be pulled, that it "generally" won't go off.
I don't know. Do you know? Do you know it won't be altered in a fight?
lol with zimmermans gun it absolutely wont, dip shit!!!
http://www.keltecweapons.com/our-guns/
his gun was a double action, as I know your dumb ass is talking without knowing what youre talking about let me explain.
a double action gun will not stay cocked, meaning that the firing pin is never in a position to accidentally release and fire a round.
A double action means that the trigger pull actually cocks the gun and then fires it. Meaning the gun WILL NOT GO OFF WITHOUT THE TRIGGER BEING PULLED!!!!!
Further more a double actions trigger pull is longer and heavier...
fail again moron
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He knew these things were possibilities when he allowed himself to travel in that direction.
agreed, so does anybody with a gun/weapon/fists etc...doesnt make it illegal, doesnt mean they intend to kill/harm anyone...dont know why your dumb ass doesnt understand this
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lol with zimmermans gun it absolutely wont, dip shit!!!
http://www.keltecweapons.com/our-guns/
his gun was a double action, as I know your dumb ass is talking without knowing what youre talking about let me explain.
a double action gun will not stay cocked, meaning that the firing pin is never in a position to accidentally release and fire a round.
A double action means that the trigger pull actually cocks the gun and then fires it. Meaning the gun WILL NOT GO OFF WITHOUT THE TRIGGER BEING PULLED!!!!!
Further more a double actions trigger pull is longer and heavier...
fail again moron
So if you knew this, why did you ask?
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So if you knew this, why did you ask?
bump
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they went with the murder 2 charge because the punk DA lady wanted to get re-elected. it worked.
but they CAN reduce to manslaughter as an option for the jury, correct? Word on oreilly is that may happen.
If THAT is the case, I'd say it's pretty likely the jury settles on that. Murder is a WAY stretch to prove. But manslaughter for 5-8 years? I could see that happening.
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So if you knew this, why did you ask?
didnt know it was a double action until today....
I know the reality of how rare it is that a gun goes off unintentionally though, only a person with no real experience with guns believes the way you do ;)
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didnt know it was a double action until today....
I know the reality of how rare it is that a gun goes off unintentionally though, only a person with no real experience with guns believes the way you do ;)
So can you guarantee that the trigger wouldn't have been pulled during a struggle over the gun?
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they went with the murder 2 charge because the punk DA lady wanted to get re-elected. it worked.
but they CAN reduce to manslaughter as an option for the jury, correct? Word on oreilly is that may happen.
If THAT is the case, I'd say it's pretty likely the jury settles on that. Murder is a WAY stretch to prove. But manslaughter for 5-8 years? I could see that happening.
dont know if they can or not, if they do I think that would be an option they would consider seriously...still dont know if that is fair or not but would be much more fair than murder 2
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didnt know it was a double action until today....
I know the reality of how rare it is that a gun goes off unintentionally though, only a person with no real experience with guns believes the way you do ;)
Are you telling me it would be unusual for a gun to go off during a struggle over it, Tony? How "unusual" would you say it is?
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So what im getting out of everything that ive seen and heard, is that zimmerman should walk, the prosecution sucks donkey balls, but that it will come down to how hormonal the woman are om that particular day, because wont somebody think of the children.
I still think he will be convicted. (Wrongfully from what ive seen)
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So can you guarantee that the trigger wouldn't have been pulled during a struggle over the gun?
what struggle over the gun?
If you look at zimmermans holster it covers the trigger and guard completely, unless the gun was out of the holster that gun wasnt going off accidentally.
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they went with the murder 2 charge because the punk DA lady wanted to get re-elected. it worked.
but they CAN reduce to manslaughter as an option for the jury, correct? Word on oreilly is that may happen.
If THAT is the case, I'd say it's pretty likely the jury settles on that. Murder is a WAY stretch to prove. But manslaughter for 5-8 years? I could see that happening.
They would still have to show an unlawful death, though. That's the thing.
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Are you telling me it would be unusual for a gun to go off during a struggle over it, Tony? How "unusual" would you say it is?
define the struggle moron, a double action gun in a holster that covers the trigger and guard isnt going to go off without it being pulled out of the holster.
from the account we have of the events, it didnt come out until zimmerman pulled it out to use it....if thats what happend then it wasnt going off prior to him pulling that trigger
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what struggle over the gun?
If you look at zimmermans holster it covers the trigger and guard completely, unless the gun was out of the holster that gun wasnt going off accidentally.
It could certainly be arranged during a struggle, to see the gun removed, wouldn't you agree?
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Myself, I'd say the prosecution has failed to do what it needs to do, and it is most likely that he'll walk--unless the women are immediately all on the same page of emotion when they get together alone (which is in the realm of possibility, no doubt about it).
Any conflict between them, and they will have to explain themselves to one another, so there's that to consider, too.
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dont know if they can or not, if they do I think that would be an option they would consider seriously...still dont know if that is fair or not but would be much more fair than murder 2
i didn't know it was possible - but oreilly, ,HLN and msnbc all predicted this evening that would be the path taken - prosecution would have to offer the jury that, since they have probably shown that, and sure didn't show murder.
Realistically - it is probably fair. Dude created a shitstorm and really caused the whole situation. Whatever endangerment, public menacing, etc that he did - armed in the rain chasing a scared minor thru yards - it's a recipe for public danger. Everyone will claim a win if only manslaughter is found too. Zimm spends 5-8 in prison. FOX celebrates because Murder2 was dismissed.
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It could certainly be arranged during a struggle, to see the gun removed, wouldn't you agree?
absolutely...it could be that zimmerman is telling the truth and trayvon beat him up unprevoked and he defended himself, wouldnt you agree?
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If these women find themselves collectively inclined toward 'guilt', they could agree that the situation didn't rise to a level that would cause sufficient fear. But, again, that's doubtful without any males to temper the situation.
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i didn't know it was possible - but oreilly, ,HLN and msnbc all predicted this evening that would be the path taken - prosecution would have to offer the jury that, since they have probably shown that, and sure didn't show murder.
Realistically - it is probably fair. Dude created a shitstorm and really caused the whole situation. Whatever endangerment, public menacing, etc that he did - armed in the rain chasing a scared minor thru yards - it's a recipe for public danger. Everyone will claim a win if only manslaughter is found too. Zimm spends 5-8 in prison. FOX celebrates because Murder2 was dismissed.
so if a neighborhood watch person walking around stumbles across a person and they get assaulted, the neighborhood watch guy beats the shit out of the guy in self defense...in your mind he is guilty of battery?
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If these women find themselves collectively inclined toward 'guilt', they could agree that the situation didn't rise to a level that would cause sufficient fear. But, again, that's doubtful without any males to temper the situation.
having your head bashed on concrete, nose broken, yelling for help with no one coming to your aid...thats not sufficient fear for you?
lmfao another person who has never been in a physical altercation in their life
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having your head bashed on concrete, nose broken, yelling for help with no one coming to your aid...thats not sufficient fear for you?
lmfao another person who has never been in a physical altercation in their life
Tony, we're considering potential moves by the jury. Do you understand that?
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By the way, I know Zimmerman's dad mentioned a supposed comment by Martin, saying "you're going to die tonight". Is anyone aware of Zimmerman using this in his original statements to police?
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Tony, we're considering potential moves by the jury. Do you understand that?
what would you consider more likely, someone agreeing that having your head bashed on concrete, hit in the face until your nose is broken is sufficient fear of grave bodily injury.
or that he should have stepped back in the moment and realized that it was only a little blood and broken nose?
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what would you consider more likely, someone agreeing that having your head bashed on concrete, hit in the face until your nose is broken is sufficient fear of grave bodily injury.
or that he should have stepped back in the moment and realized that it was only a little blood and broken nose?
So why do you suppose he didn't fight back?
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i didn't know it was possible - but oreilly, ,HLN and msnbc all predicted this evening that would be the path taken - prosecution would have to offer the jury that, since they have probably shown that, and sure didn't show murder.
Realistically - it is probably fair. Dude created a shitstorm and really caused the whole situation. Whatever endangerment, public menacing, etc that he did - armed in the rain chasing a scared minor thru yards - it's a recipe for public danger. Everyone will claim a win if only manslaughter is found too. Zimm spends 5-8 in prison. FOX celebrates because Murder2 was dismissed.
zimmerman still loses, from the sound of the testimony he had every right to claim self defense.
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zimmerman still loses, from the sound of the testimony he had every right to claim self defense.
True. They failed to prove any kind of unlawful killing (murder or manslaughter) and failed to prove Zimmerman didn't act in self defense. Pretty spectacular failure.
But he could still be convicted.
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So why do you suppose he didn't fight back?
whos to say he didnt?
got rocked early and put on his heels, spent the fight trying to defend himself.
its hard to throw punches when youre trying to mitigate the damage being done. Unlike what you may believe fights dont happen like they do in the movies.
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whos to say he didnt?
What did our sole witness say?
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What did our sole witness say?
our sole eye witness?
that zimmerman was on bottom and trayvon was on top making downward striking motions....
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True. They failed to prove any kind of unlawful killing (murder or manslaughter) and failed to prove Zimmerman didn't act in self defense. Pretty spectacular failure.
But he could still be convicted.
because juries often deliver what they believe to be justice, outside of what is the written law. THis is what i keep predicting. Won't be a specfic law, but will be punishment for being a dangerous fckup.
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our sole eye witness?
that zimmerman was on bottom and trayvon was on top making downward striking motions....
We're getting a bit off track, here, but please show me where "striking" motion is mentioned.
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because juries often deliver what they believe to be justice, outside of what is the written law. THis is what i keep predicting. Won't be a specfic law, but will be punishment for being a dangerous fckup.
Like I say, it's possible that these broads will decide that Zimmerman's perception of being in mortal fear is as invalid as every other perception he has shown. Whether or not that would be true, it offers a path for them to declare guilt. So it is what it is.
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because juries often deliver what they believe to be justice, outside of what is the written law. THis is what i keep predicting. Won't be a specfic law, but will be punishment for being a dangerous fckup.
you keep predicting?
just the other day you said if its between murder 2 and walking he walks...have you forgotten that moron?
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It's almost like the prosecution is trying to throw the case.
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We're getting a bit off track, here, but please show me where "striking" motion is mentioned.
im answering the questions you posed, so if its off track its what you wanted.
john good jack, look up his testimony.
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It's almost like the prosecution is trying to throw the case.
again they cant make up facts or make ASSumptions, they have to use the facts of the case and the facts of the case do not lend themselves to a murder 2 charge....
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im answering the questions you posed, so if its off track its what you wanted.
john good jack, look up his testimony.
Did he mention seeing punches thrown, Tony?
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Did he mention seeing punches thrown, Tony?
said that is what it looked like, then said downward striking motions
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said that is what it looked like, then said downward striking motions
Is it possible that John Good has acknowledged that he didn't see or hear any blows landing, at all? And is it possible that John Good acknowledged that it may not have been blows, at all, but "holding down"?
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...because that's what his testimony says. He says he isn't sure at all that he saw punching or striking take place, and that it may have been pinning, instead.
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...because that's what his testimony says. He says he isn't sure at all that he saw punching or striking take place, and that it may have been pinning, instead.
please cite your source,
you dont pin someone down with downward striking motions....lmfao another person who has never been in a physical altercation in their life ::)
its possible that they were playing patty cake too!!!!
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please cite your source,
you dont pin someone down with downward striking motions....lmfao another person who has never been in a physical altercation in their life ::)
its possible that they were playing patty cake too!!!!
The witness says what he saw was consistent with pinning. Are you trying to second-guess the witness now, Tony?
Answer the question, and I'll post the source.
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..and anyone thinking there is a 'liberal media' trying to convict Zimmerman, please look at the headline of the article versus the testimony. The headline impresses upon us that it was Zimmerman screaming, when the witness clearly states that he DOES NOT KNOW.
So you tell me.
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The witness says what he saw was consistent with pinning. Are you trying to second-guess the witness now, Tony?
Answer the question, and I'll post the source.
he also said he saw what looked like punches being thrown and downward strikes...you cannot take that part out only to hear what you want....
you try to do the same thing with the definition of 2nd degree murder, you look at one specific aspect and not the qualifying sentences before and after it LMFAO
brilliant!!!
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..and anyone thinking there is a 'liberal media' trying to convict Zimmerman, please look at the headline of the article versus the testimony. The headline impresses upon us that it was Zimmerman screaming, when the witness clearly states that he DOES NOT KNOW.
So you tell me.
he said he couldnt be certain, common sense would dictate the person on the bottom was calling for help...again only hearing and seeing what you want to...::)
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he said he couldnt be certain, common sense would dictate the person on the bottom was calling for help...again only hearing and seeing what you want to...::)
With a gun involved, Tony, it would make sense for either person to be calling for help. I'm sure you would have to agree.
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he also said he saw what looked like punches being thrown and downward strikes...you cannot take that part out only to hear what you want....
you try to do the same thing with the definition of 2nd degree murder, you look at one specific aspect and not the qualifying sentences before and after it LMFAO
brilliant!!!
There's only ONE part that matters: He does not know.
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With a gun involved, Tony, it would make sense for either person to be calling for help. I'm sure you would have to agree.
if trayvon was calling for help and john good came outside to tell them to stop, why would he not stop?
the person on bottom isnt in control of that situation, if the person on top wanted to stop...they could have...
who did the one eye witness we have say was on top again?
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Media and Liberal idiots got plyed for the fools they are - when zimm goes free all these idiots will look like morons
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Tony, it seems as though you're confusing this case with your sex life.
*John Good does not know who was screaming, and the gun could cause either person to scream.
*What John Good saw is consistent with pinning, and he uses the exact phrasing to indicate this.
Now, are you questioning what John Good saw, or aren't you?
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you keep predicting?
just the other day you said if its between murder 2 and walking he walks...have you forgotten that moron?
WTF are you talking about?
if the only 2 options are murder2 and innocent, i sitll believe he will walk.
BUT
if they offer manslaughter as an option - and according to the pundits, the prosecution can still add that - then I'm certain that'll be the verdict.
Neither of us knew they could add that, tony :)
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eh, if you're going to scoot into the "you made a prediciton and you were wrong, nah nah nah" kinda thing... well... come on dude, we all get shit wrong. it's about preductions and debate. I've called zimmerman a fcking liar a million times. i've been proven very right.... and I"m not "nah nah nah"... who gives a shit when we're right/wrong on here dude. its just getbig :)
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nobody wins in this trial. gun rights take a hit no matter what. trayvon is dead already.
zimmerman walks, and i doubt anyone is going to look at him - with his 2x history of violence before this - and SMILE and celebrate. He's going to be back on the streets with his 9mm the day after the trial, still dangerous to the people around him.
zimmerman goes to jail, and nobody should celebrate. A dumb person who created a dangerous situation, then was sent to jail by an emotional jury. Maybe he didn't technically break the law, but they punish him anyway. more legislation from the jury box. de Jure > de facto.
Everyone loses on this case, no matter the outcome. Anyone who celebrates doesn't know how scary it is that a dangerous man will have a gun again and be back out there - or doesn't understand how scary it is that juries can just lock people up who don't technically break the law. Scary all around!
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If your hero and the other race poverty pimps stayed out of it - we never would have gotten this far with this bs.
nobody wins in this trial. gun rights take a hit no matter what. trayvon is dead already.
zimmerman walks, and i doubt anyone is going to look at him - with his 2x history of violence before this - and SMILE and celebrate. He's going to be back on the streets with his 9mm the day after the trial, still dangerous to the people around him.
zimmerman goes to jail, and nobody should celebrate. A dumb person who created a dangerous situation, then was sent to jail by an emotional jury. Maybe he didn't technically break the law, but they punish him anyway. more legislation from the jury box. de Jure > de facto.
Everyone loses on this case, no matter the outcome. Anyone who celebrates doesn't know how scary it is that a dangerous man will have a gun again and be back out there - or doesn't understand how scary it is that juries can just lock people up who don't technically break the law. Scary all around!
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If your hero and the other race poverty pimps stayed out of it - we never would have gotten this far with this bs.
it's not murder 2....
but not charging zimmerman with ANYTHING after he created teh situation? at the very least, some shit like 'public endangering" or "causing a nuisance" or something... I mean, he did abandon a vehicle to chase a minor with a weapon, a kid who had done nothing. If I just start running at people with a run in the night, scaring the fck out of them - i'd like to be charged with SOMETHING. Terrorizing people isn't cool.
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it's not murder 2....
but not charging zimmerman with ANYTHING after he created teh situation? at the very least, some shit like 'public endangering" or "causing a nuisance" or something... I mean, he did abandon a vehicle to chase a minor with a weapon, a kid who had done nothing. If I just start running at people with a run in the night, scaring the fck out of them - i'd like to be charged with SOMETHING. Terrorizing people isn't cool.
That's the point...charge him with criminal negligence or something like manslaughter and he gets rightly convicted of an appropriate charge.
Then there's no rioting, no years of race bickering, no ignorant outrage from people thinking a "not guilty" verdict means he didn't do anything wrong, etc., etc.
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That's the point...charge him with criminal negligence or something like manslaughter and he gets rightly convicted of an appropriate charge.
Then there's no rioting, no years of race bickering, no ignorant outrage from people thinking a "not guilty" verdict means he didn't do anything wrong, etc., etc.
according to the talking heads on the news -
the prosecution has the abilty to lessen the charge, and probably will, to tell the jury "go ahead and make it manslaughter if you don't think we proved murder 2"
So manslaughter, serve 5 year of an 8 year bid, sounds like where he'll end up. It's probably the right charge. however, if the prosecution had the ability to change all along, it makes sense to aim high. I mean, you don't ASK your chick for a handjob haha. You ASK for sex, and then if it's not happening you SETTLE for the HJ or BJ. You don't just aim low or you end up handling things by yourself haha.
So if prosecution has had the ability all along to lower if it doesn't end well, it can scale back, and zimm will still go to jail.
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according to the talking heads on the news -
the prosecution has the abilty to lessen the charge, and probably will, to tell the jury "go ahead and make it manslaughter if you don't think we proved murder 2"
So manslaughter, serve 5 year of an 8 year bid, sounds like where he'll end up. It's probably the right charge. however, if the prosecution had the ability to change all along, it makes sense to aim high. I mean, you don't ASK your chick for a handjob haha. You ASK for sex, and then if it's not happening you SETTLE for the HJ or BJ. You don't just aim low or you end up handling things by yourself haha.
So if prosecution has had the ability all along to lower if it doesn't end well, it can scale back, and zimm will still go to jail.
That is weak ass shit if you ask me.
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That is weak ass shit if you ask me.
wouldnt you do the same thing? Aim for murder2 and settle for manslaughter? You believe it's murder, but since zimm did it in the night/rain with no witnesses, you can't prove murder. It's life. It is what it is. I think they can sure prove manslaughter and probably have already.
LOL @ Defense putting up a deaf witness as their forensics expert. He's rambling about living in san antonio, the 7th beautiful city in America. I think he's 85 or 95 years old by his appearance. Experience he has. But if he's up there past the coffee wearing off, he's gonna be sleeping and asking what time Matlock comes on.
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nobody wins in this trial. gun rights take a hit no matter what. trayvon is dead already.
zimmerman walks, and i doubt anyone is going to look at him - with his 2x history of violence before this - and SMILE and celebrate. He's going to be back on the streets with his 9mm the day after the trial, still dangerous to the people around him.
zimmerman goes to jail, and nobody should celebrate. A dumb person who created a dangerous situation, then was sent to jail by an emotional jury. Maybe he didn't technically break the law, but they punish him anyway. more legislation from the jury box. de Jure > de facto.
Everyone loses on this case, no matter the outcome. Anyone who celebrates doesn't know how scary it is that a dangerous man will have a gun again and be back out there - or doesn't understand how scary it is that juries can just lock people up who don't technically break the law. Scary all around!
I'll probably smile, though I don't care enough to celebrate. It will be good to see race-baiting hustler leftists like yourself get smacked down and put in your place. Imagine if you clowns spent half the time you did frothing at the mouth over this case on something constructive.
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according to the talking heads on the news -
the prosecution has the abilty to lessen the charge, and probably will, to tell the jury "go ahead and make it manslaughter if you don't think we proved murder 2"
So manslaughter, serve 5 year of an 8 year bid, sounds like where he'll end up. It's probably the right charge. however, if the prosecution had the ability to change all along, it makes sense to aim high. I mean, you don't ASK your chick for a handjob haha. You ASK for sex, and then if it's not happening you SETTLE for the HJ or BJ. You don't just aim low or you end up handling things by yourself haha.
So if prosecution has had the ability all along to lower if it doesn't end well, it can scale back, and zimm will still go to jail.
My opinion is that this is unfair. Why should any defendant be found guilty of anything when the State can't make their case? It basically turns the entire legal proceeding into a fishing expedition. We can't get you on the original charge, but we will get you on something else no matter what. It is bordering on unjust prosecution.
And I don't care for Zimm. But, to me, it's not right for a legal system to allow a prosecutor change charges when they see that they are losing. Some may think this is fine because they have already judged Zimm as being guilty. But, what if it was you on that seat?
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I don't know if this is true but I heard the other day that if the charge is changed to manslaughter, Zimm could get up to 30 years because Trayvon was under 18 yrs old.
That's what I heard but I don't know the accuracy of that statement.
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My opinion is that this is unfair. Why should any defendant be found guilty of anything when the State can't make their case? It basically turns the entire legal proceeding into a fishing expedition. We can't get you on the original charge, but we will get you on something else no matter what. It is bordering on unjust prosecution.
And I don't care for Zimm. But, to me, it's not right for a legal system to allow a prosecutor change charges when they see that they are losing. Some may think this is fine because they have already judged Zimm as being guilty. But, what if it was you on that seat?
agreed. You shouldnt be able to get halfway through the case, realize youre making a fool out of yourself, and switch the charge mid trial bbecauseyou let a bunch of emotional people override your common sense.
stupid.
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That is weak ass shit if you ask me.
are you really an attorney
if what 240 has said is correct then even an average 5th grader can easily understand the strategy involved
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are you really an attorney
if what 240 has said is correct then even an average 5th grader can easily understand the strategy involved
Which is why people increasingly come to detest police, DA's, authority, etc.
I hope Zimm walks scot free at this point just to shove it down the throats of every race baiting leftist in this country
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nobody wins in this trial. gun rights take a hit no matter what. trayvon is dead already.
zimmerman walks, and i doubt anyone is going to look at him - with his 2x history of violence before this - and SMILE and celebrate. He's going to be back on the streets with his 9mm the day after the trial, still dangerous to the people around him.
zimmerman goes to jail, and nobody should celebrate. A dumb person who created a dangerous situation, then was sent to jail by an emotional jury. Maybe he didn't technically break the law, but they punish him anyway. more legislation from the jury box. de Jure > de facto.
Everyone loses on this case, no matter the outcome. Anyone who celebrates doesn't know how scary it is that a dangerous man will have a gun again and be back out there - or doesn't understand how scary it is that juries can just lock people up who don't technically break the law. Scary all around!
how will "gun rights" take a hit from this trial
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Which is why people increasingly come to detest police, DA's, authority, etc.
I hope Zimm walks scot free at this point just to shove it down the throats of every race baiting leftist in this country
I have no problem with it at all and it seems fair
they are giving the jury the option of convicting him on a lesser charge
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I have no problem with it at all and it seems fair
they are giving the jury the option of convicting him on a lesser charge
Yeah - charge a guy with murder and label him a murderer and then when your case is exposed as a complete failure and hoax - pull a fast one at the last minute like that. No way - pure fucking bullshit. Charge the guy w the appropriate crime from the beginning.
I know being an advocate of the police state and limitless govt power to squash people you have no problem w this - but most people do.
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Yeah - charge a guy with murder and label him a murderer and then when your case is exposed as a complete failure and hoax - pull a fast one at the last minute like that. No way - pure fucking bullshit. Charge the guy w the appropriate crime from the beginning.
I know being an advocate of the police state and limitless govt power to squash people you have no problem w this - but most people do.
I see it as giving the jury flexibility
I heard talk of this weeks ago
I'm amazed this is something you've never heard of given your claim to being a lawyer (maybe now we know why you spend your time doing debt collection)
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I see it as giving the jury flexibility
I heard talk of this weeks ago
I'm amazed this is something you've never heard of given your claim to being a lawyer (maybe now we know why you spend your time doing debt collection)
Giving flexibility? WTF are you talking about?
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Giving flexibility? WTF are you talking about?
how is it you don't understand that statement
btw - I can see where defendants would like this as well
if you're faced with a murder charge wouldn't you like to know the jury has the option to convict you of a lesser charge if they don't believe you committed murder
seriously dude - I'm really starting to doubt you're a practicing attorney
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BTW, reading this UTTER RUBBISH from a RIDICULOUS EXCUSE for a "news-reporting organization" is painful, but here we are...
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ROBERT SIEGEL, HOST:
And I'm Robert Siegel. Today, in the trial of George Zimmerman, a key witness bolstered Zimmerman's claim that he acted in self-defense when he killed teenager Trayvon Martin. The witness was a neighbor in the Sanford, Florida community where Zimmerman encountered Martin and he was the only person to see them fight before Zimmerman fired the gunshot that ended Martin's life.
Here's NPR's Greg Allen.
GREG ALLEN, BYLINE: On that night in February of last year, John Good and his wife were watching TV in their townhome when Good says he heard sounds outside. In the courtroom in Sanford today, he told prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda he opened the sliding door to his patio and stepped outside. He saw two people struggling and one soon was on top of the other in a straddling position. He said he could tell it was serious.
JOHN GOOD: Because it looked like there were strikes being thrown or punches being thrown, but as I clarified, due to the lighting, it could have also been, you know, holding down.
ALLEN: This is a story John Good has told many times before. He spoke to police that night and, over the next 16 months, was interviewed by other police, state investigators, prosecutors and the defense. In an early interview, he said the person on top was, quote, "raining down blows in a style similar to MMA," Mixed Martial Arts fighting. In more recent depositions, though, Good modified that description, saying he's not sure now he saw any blows struck.
In the courtroom, he said he never saw Trayvon Martin slam George Zimmerman's head against the concrete as the defendant claims. De la Rionda picked up the questioning.
BERNIE DE LA RIONDA: The person on top - could you tell where that person on top was actually striking? And here's what I'm going to do.
(SOUNDBITE OF SLAPPING NOISE)
RIONDA: Were they going like this?
GOOD: I could not hear that. No.
RIONDA: Could you hear...
(SOUNDBITE OF POUNDING NOISE)
RIONDA: ...this?
GOOD: No.
ALLEN: Several other neighbors from the townhome community who have testified so far have raised questions about parts of Zimmerman's story. Except for John Good, though, none actually saw the fight before the shot was fired.
Under questioning by Zimmerman's lawyer Mark O'Mara today, Good confirmed some key parts of Zimmerman's version of events.
MARK O'MARA: The person who you now know to be Trayvon Martin was on top. Correct?
GOOD: Correct.
O'MARA: And he was the one who was raining blows down on the person on the bottom, George Zimmerman. Right?
GOOD: That's what it looked like.
ALLEN: O'Mara also got Good to confirm another key part of Zimmerman's story that the Neighborhood Watch volunteer was the one calling for help.
O'MARA: You now believe that that was George Zimmerman's voice. Correct?
GOOD: I never said that.
O'MARA: Do you believe...
GOOD: It could have been his, but I was not 100 percent sure.
O'MARA: I'm not asking for 100 percent certainty. I'm asking you to use your common sense and to tell us if you think that that was George Zimmerman's voice screaming for help, the person on the bottom.
GOOD: That's just my opinion.
Greg Allen, NPR News, Miami.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=196691611
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Anyone have any comment on this, from above: "He saw two people struggling and one soon was on top of the other in a straddling position. He said he could tell it was serious."
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Anyone have any comment on this, from above: "He saw two people struggling and one soon was on top of the other in a straddling position. He said he could tell it was serious."
You highlight the words "holding down". If that is all Trayvon was doing, how did Zimm get a busted nose?
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You highlight the words "holding down". If that is all Trayvon was doing, how did Zimm get a busted nose?
I'm not saying it was aliens.....but it was aliens
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Would it be consistent with bearing the full thrust of a knee, elbow or a hand?
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Would it be consistent with bearing the full thrust of a knee, elbow or a hand?
If so, then he wasn't "just" holding him down
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If he was jost holding him down and now going to town on Zimm - why was Zimm screaming for help?
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http://www.businessinsider.com/vincent-di-maios-george-zimmerman-testimony-2013-7
bbboooommmmmmmmm
Another nail in the coffin of the DA, 240, Obama, and Rev. Al
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agreed. You shouldnt be able to get halfway through the case, realize youre making a fool out of yourself, and switch the charge mid trial bbecauseyou let a bunch of emotional people override your common sense.
stupid.
The experts are all saying it's what they'll probably do. It's a bit of a loss for the prosecution - cause if they put that on the table, it's almost certain they don't get murder2.
however, the defense will claim a win too... Hey, charged with murder, and look, we beat the murder rap.
And he'll have 5 years in solidatary writing a book that peopole who support the violent zimmerman will most certainly buy.
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Forensic pathologist Vincent Di Maio's testimony during George Zimmerman's second-degree murder trial directly conflicted with the testimony of the state's key medical experts.
Di Maio, a renowned expert on gunshot wounds, told jurors Tuesday he saw evidence of at least six impacts on Zimmerman's head. He also said those blows were likely the result of severe force, backing up Zimmerman's claims he killed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin in self-defense.
That testimony contradicted testimony from Valerie Rao, a Florida medical examiner who testified for the state that Zimmerman's head injuries were "so minor" and were likely the result of a single impact.
But Di Maio said Tuesday, "You can have severe head trauma without any marks on the head."
Di Maio's account also conflicted with that of Shipping Bao, the medical examiner who autopsied Martin and testified that Zimmerman's gun made contact with the teenager's body.
Based on powder residue and the gun's trajectory, however, Di Maio said the gun was 2 to 4 inches from Martin's body, touching his shirt. Since Martin's shirt was away from his body, this also suggests that Martin was on top of Zimmerman, leaning over him, Di Maio said.
Zimmerman says Martin punched him, climbed on top of him, and slammed his head into the sidewalk, so testimony that the teenager was on top of him could bolster his defense.
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/vincent-di-maios-george-zimmerman-testimony-2013-7#ixzz2YaB3Vw00
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If he was jost holding him down and now going to town on Zimm - why was Zimm screaming for help?
easy - he wanted the police (that were 2 minutes away) to arrive sooner and catch trayvon in the act.
it'd result in jail time for trayvon. ziimm would be a local hero and he might get his bike back - it was a nice bike and he thought trayvon stole it.
It's not the first time a person initiated a fight to get the other guy to swing right as the official walks in. Ever watch the NFL?
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is that the same witness who was near deaf and pining on and on about how beautiful it was in san antonio? he seemed senile. that was the dude on this morning at 10. not sure if same guy, didn't watch today.
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Read the testimony, you guys. The witness does NOT claim to know who was screaming, and the gun could cause EITHER person to scream. (Please remember, too, that the witness was UNAWARE of a gun when he observed the conflict.*)
A knee, elbow or hand thrust upon the face would NOT be an unusual occurrence if a person was trying to position his body in order to physically contain someone in possession of a gun.
I'll be back later to fight it out with some of you guys.
*And to anyone that would say that's proof the fight wasn't over the gun, please remember that the witness didn't see their mouths, either, to see who was screaming. Once again, he based his initial assumption on the fact that Zimmerman was on the bottom at the time he observed the conflict.
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Anyone have any comment on this, from above: "He saw two people struggling and one soon was on top of the other in a straddling position. He said he could tell it was serious."
Like to get some comments on what you guys make of this statement...
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All of which points to the fact that this is not a murder case
Read the testimony, you guys. The witness does NOT claim to know who was screaming, and the gun could cause EITHER person to scream. (Please remember, too, that the witness was UNAWARE of a gun when he observed the conflict.*)
A knee, elbow or hand thrust upon the face would NOT be an unusual occurrence if a person was trying to position his body in order to physically contain someone in possession of a gun.
I'll be back later to fight it out with some of you guys.
*And to anyone that would say that's proof the fight wasn't over the gun, please remember that the witness didn't see their mouths, either, to see who was screaming. Once again, he based his initial assumption on the fact that Zimmerman was on the bottom at the time he observed the conflict.
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A knee, elbow or hand thrust upon the face would NOT be an unusual occurrence if a person was trying to position his body in order to physically contain someone in possession of a gun.
Not exactly true. Depends in the level of opposition vs each other... and typically a bloody nose occurs with punch or kick, not with a hand being thrust while trying to subdue. So it would be "unusual" that a bloody nose would occur. If it was a knee or elbow it would be more of a deliberate strike, making a bloody nose unusual of the intention was to hold down.
It is possible, but unlikely and i wouldn't buy it with out more evidence.
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All of which points to the fact that this is not a murder case
I just asked Jesus and he told me that gods plan was for manslaughter from the day that he had Zimmerman shoot Martin
that was his plan from the very beginning
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I just asked Jesus and he told me that gods plan was for manslaughter from the day that he had Zimmerman shoot Martin
that was his plan from the very beginning
Zimm is not even guilty of manslaughter at this point since the testimony supports his claims to self defense.
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Zimm is not even guilty of manslaughter at this point since the testimony supports his claims to self defense.
if it's gods plan then I'm sure Zimm will be fine with it
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Forensic pathologist Vincent Di Maio's testimony during George Zimmerman's second-degree murder trial directly conflicted with the testimony of the state's key medical experts.
Di Maio, a renowned expert on gunshot wounds, told jurors Tuesday he saw evidence of at least six impacts on Zimmerman's head. He also said those blows were likely the result of severe force, backing up Zimmerman's claims he killed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin in self-defense.
That testimony contradicted testimony from Valerie Rao, a Florida medical examiner who testified for the state that Zimmerman's head injuries were "so minor" and were likely the result of a single impact.
But Di Maio said Tuesday, "You can have severe head trauma without any marks on the head."
Di Maio's account also conflicted with that of Shipping Bao, the medical examiner who autopsied Martin and testified that Zimmerman's gun made contact with the teenager's body.
Based on powder residue and the gun's trajectory, however, Di Maio said the gun was 2 to 4 inches from Martin's body, touching his shirt. Since Martin's shirt was away from his body, this also suggests that Martin was on top of Zimmerman, leaning over him, Di Maio said.
Zimmerman says Martin punched him, climbed on top of him, and slammed his head into the sidewalk, so testimony that the teenager was on top of him could bolster his defense.
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/vincent-di-maios-george-zimmerman-testimony-2013-7#ixzz2YaB3Vw00
I watched most of his testimony. Great witness. He’s one of the leading forensic doctors in the country. Head and shoulders better than the two docs called by the prosecution.
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I'm not saying it was aliens.....but it was aliens
lol. It was "they."
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Crump: Don't unseal the $1 million-plus settlement Trayvon's parents received
April 15, 2013|By Rene Stutzman, Orlando Sentinel
Benjamin Crump has formally asked Circuit Judge Debra S. Nelson to make sure the specific amount of the $1 million-plus settlement Trayvon Martin's parents reached with George Zimmerman's home owners' association be kept secret.
Trayvon's parents, Crump wrote, "in no way wanted their son killed in order to pursue a civil settlement."
Crump is the attorney for Trayvon's parents, Sybrina Fulton and Tracy Martin, and on April 4, Crump filed a copy of the settlement under seal in George Zimmerman's court case file at the Seminole County Courthouse.
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A portion of it was available to the public for a short time the following day, but the total amount and the names of the parties making the settlement payments had been edited out.
On April 5, Seminole County Clerk of Courts Maryanne Morse notified Crump that she intended to unseal it, saying it did not meet the legal standard of a confidential filing.
Morse today said that Nelson will now decide whether it should be unsealed. It's not clear when she will rule.
Last week defense attorney Mark O'Mara filed paperwork, asking the judge to unseal it, saying the payments could reveal a motive for Trayvon's parents to be biased when they testify at Zimmerman's June 10 trial.
O'Mara cited as an example Tracy Martin's initial response when he listened to screams on a 911 tape. Lead investigator Chris Serino, of the Sanford Police Department, played the 911 recording for Trayvon's father a few days after the Feb. 26, 2012 shooting. At that time, Trayvon's father told Serino it was not the voice of his son.
Tracy Martin has since said the opposite.
In paperwork made public today, Crump called O'Mara's suggestion that Tracy Martin had a financial motive to change his story "unintelligible" and "devoid of merit."
He changed his story, Crump wrote, because he has since heard a clearer version of the recording and when he first heard it, was in "an extreme emotional state."
Crump asked the judge to only block the payment amount from public view.
Keeping it secret "is essential to avoid irreparable harm in the negotiations and exposure of other claims/lawsuits," Crump wrote.
"Sybrina Fulton and Tracy Martin did not encourage or create the circumstances giving rise to the killing of their son Trayvon Martin…," Crump wrote.
Zimmerman is the 29-year-old Neighborhood Watch volunteer charged with second-degree murder. . The defendant says he acted in self-defense.
rstutzman@tribune.com or 407-650-6394.
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eh, if you're going to scoot into the "you made a prediciton and you were wrong, nah nah nah" kinda thing... well... come on dude, we all get shit wrong. it's about preductions and debate. I've called zimmerman a fcking liar a million times. i've been proven very right.... and I"m not "nah nah nah"... who gives a shit when we're right/wrong on here dude. its just getbig :)
Get real dude.
You're not about 'predictions' and 'debate'.
You just flat out lie.
In fact, you claiming that you have been proven 'very' right, is just another lie, lol.
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how is it you don't understand that statement
btw - I can see where defendants would like this as well
if you're faced with a murder charge wouldn't you like to know the jury has the option to convict you of a lesser charge if they don't believe you committed murder
seriously dude - I'm really starting to doubt you're a practicing attorney
I don't think he would want them to have the option of a lesser charge.
From everything I've seen and read, there's plenty of reasonable doubt. That would mean he walks on murder. If the jury hears a lesser charge, he might not walk.
Guess it really depends on how the defendant thinks the trial is going.
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Forensic pathologist Vincent Di Maio's testimony during George Zimmerman's second-degree murder trial directly conflicted with the testimony of the state's key medical experts.
Di Maio, a renowned expert on gunshot wounds, told jurors Tuesday he saw evidence of at least six impacts on Zimmerman's head. He also said those blows were likely the result of severe force, backing up Zimmerman's claims he killed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin in self-defense.
That testimony contradicted testimony from Valerie Rao, a Florida medical examiner who testified for the state that Zimmerman's head injuries were "so minor" and were likely the result of a single impact.
But Di Maio said Tuesday, "You can have severe head trauma without any marks on the head."
Di Maio's account also conflicted with that of Shipping Bao, the medical examiner who autopsied Martin and testified that Zimmerman's gun made contact with the teenager's body.
Based on powder residue and the gun's trajectory, however, Di Maio said the gun was 2 to 4 inches from Martin's body, touching his shirt. Since Martin's shirt was away from his body, this also suggests that Martin was on top of Zimmerman, leaning over him, Di Maio said.
Zimmerman says Martin punched him, climbed on top of him, and slammed his head into the sidewalk, so testimony that the teenager was on top of him could bolster his defense.
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/vincent-di-maios-george-zimmerman-testimony-2013-7#ixzz2YaB3Vw00
He was paid 5,000 dollars by the defense team to testify......sorry.
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He was paid 5,000 dollars by the defense team to testify......sorry.
So? The lady doc called by the prosecution was paid too. Did you watch his testimony?
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:o
“Angry Trayvon” App Sparks Outrage
July 9, 2013
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MIAMI (CBSMiami) – A mobile game called “Angry Trayvon” available through app stores has sparked enough controversy to convince the developer of the game to promise to shut it down.
The game’s main character is a man in a hooded sweatshirt who walks through different areas, like Brooklyn, New York, to complete “his world tour of revenge on the bad guys who terrorize cities everyday.(sic)”
The game’s description said that each completed level will bring “more bad guys coming at Trayvon at a faster pace and a deadlier attack.” The game allows users to purchase a dagger to throw at enemies and allows you to “collect the money that the bad guys will drop once you kill them to increase your score.”
The game was made by Trade Digital and after outrage exploded on Facebook, the company said it removed the game from app stores. The game was no longer available on Apple’s store, but was still being sold for $1.99 on Google Play.
http://miami.cbslocal.com/2013/07/09/angry-trayvon-app-sparks-outrage/
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So? The lady doc called by the prosecution was paid too. Did you watch his testimony?
Yep....all of the testimony is meaningless....its tick for tack....a stalemate in terms of evidence. Its was Trayvon screaming...no it was Zimmerman. Trayvon's on top....no Zimmerman was on top.....
All of it is a stalemate.....waste of time and money
The whole court case is a show.....Zimmerman is going to be convicted, or if not, all hell is going to break loose and Zimmerman will be lynched along with another LA riots style scene.....he's toast anyway because even if he dodges the trial, the feds will pick him up for violating Trayvon's civil rights since Obama has a stake in it.
Either way, Zimmerman is going to wish he was as dead as Trayvon.
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Yep....all of the testimony is meaningless....its tick for tack....a stalemate in terms of evidence. Its was Trayvon screaming...no it was Zimmerman. Trayvon's on top....no Zimmerman was on top.....
All of it is a stalemate.....waste of time and money
The whole court case is a show.....Zimmerman is going to be convicted, or if not, all hell is going to break loose and Zimmerman will be lynched along with another LA riots style scene.....he's toast anyway because even if he dodges the trial, the feds will pick him up for violating Trayvon's civil rights since Obama has a stake in it.
Either way, Zimmerman is going to wish he was as dead as Trayvon.
Not following you. You've watched the testimony and think it's all a wash, but you think Zimmerman will be convicted?
I agree Zimmerman's life will be in danger.
Doesn't it bother you that there is a complete lack of evidence that he committed a crime?
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All of which points to the fact that this is not a murder case
So you'd agree with it, but you would say that it indicates a situation that isn't a murder case?
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Not following you. You've watched the testimony and think it's all a wash, but you think Zimmerman will be convicted?
I agree Zimmerman's life will be in danger.
Doesn't it bother you that there is a complete lack of evidence that he committed a crime?
Evidence....he shot and killed an unarmed teenager.....
Trayvon wasn't no angel, but he obviously wasn't commiting any crimes that night. Zimmerman should have called the cops and let them do their job but I think he was fed up with all the robberies that he decided to take matters into his own hands
We'll never know the real story...only Zimmerman can actually answer that and the story he's giving simply doesn't make any sense and has way too many holes in it. He may not have intended to kill Trayvon but he used poor judgement that caused him to do so.....he has to pay for the life he took
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Evidence....he shot and killed an unarmed teenager.....
Trayvon wasn't no angel, but he obviously wasn't commiting any crimes that night. Zimmerman should have called the cops and let them do their job but I think he was fed up with all the robberies that he decided to take matters into his own hands
We'll never know the real story...only Zimmerman can actually answer that and the story he's giving simply doesn't make any sense and has way too many holes in it. He may not have intended to kill Trayvon but he used poor judgement that caused him to do so.....he has to pay for the life he took
The evidence at trial showed he killed an unarmed teenager in self-defense. That's not a crime.
Martin committed a crime by assaulting Zimmerman. Zimmerman did call the cops and attempted to let them do their job, but Martin wouldn't let that happen. That's what the evidence at trial has shown.
Someone made a good point the other day that had Martin not died, he could have been charged with a crime for assaulting Zimmerman.
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Yep....all of the testimony is meaningless....its tick for tack....a stalemate in terms of evidence. Its was Trayvon screaming...no it was Zimmerman. Trayvon's on top....no Zimmerman was on top.....
All of it is a stalemate.....waste of time and money
The whole court case is a show.....Zimmerman is going to be convicted, or if not, all hell is going to break loose and Zimmerman will be lynched along with another LA riots style scene.....he's toast anyway because even if he dodges the trial, the feds will pick him up for violating Trayvon's civil rights since Obama has a stake in it.
Either way, Zimmerman is going to wish he was as dead as Trayvon.
Yeah, no. No way.
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Evidence....he shot and killed an unarmed teenager.....
Trayvon wasn't no angel, but he obviously wasn't commiting any crimes that night. Zimmerman should have called the cops and let them do their job but I think he was fed up with all the robberies that he decided to take matters into his own hands
We'll never know the real story...only Zimmerman can actually answer that and the story he's giving simply doesn't make any sense and has way too many holes in it. He may not have intended to kill Trayvon but he used poor judgement that caused him to do so.....he has to pay for the life he took
How can you ignore the guy getting the back of hid head slammed into the concrete?
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OptionD's kid in a few years
Looks like Obama when he was stoned out of his mind
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The evidence at trial showed he killed an unarmed teenager in self-defense. That's not a crime.
Martin committed a crime by assaulting Zimmerman. Zimmerman did call the cops and attempted to let them do their job, but Martin wouldn't let that happen. That's what the evidence at trial has shown.
Someone made a good point the other day that had Martin not died, he could have been charged with a crime for assaulting Zimmerman.
Even if it was self defense (seriously doubt it)...he wouldn't have to defend himself if he listened to the dispatched and stayed in the fucking truck. He had no business doing the job of a police officer.
Like I said, all the evidence is leading me to believe to Zimmerman trying to apprehend Trayvon and found out that he was a lot stronger than he appeared. The story the defense is portraying just doesn't make sense....I'm sorry but it doesn't...and I don't think the jury is going to buy the story neither although stranger things have happenned.
Its a shame that its practically an all white jury. If they find Zimmerman innocent, I can almost bet that they'll go after the jurist as well and try to kill them.....sad situation to be in.
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Even if it was self defense (seriously doubt it)...he wouldn't have to defend himself if he listened to the dispatched and stayed in the fucking truck. He had no business doing the job of a police officer.
Like I said, all the evidence is leading me to believe to Zimmerman trying to apprehend Trayvon and found out that he was a lot stronger than he appeared. The story the defense is portraying just doesn't make sense....I'm sorry but it doesn't...and I don't think the jury is going to buy the story neither although stranger things have happenned.
Its a shame that its practically an all white jury. If they find Zimmerman innocent, I can almost bet that they'll go after the jurist as well and try to kill them.....sad situation to be in.
What evidence??
Who the heck cares about the racial makeup of the jury? Facts are facts. And this point, they point to self-defense, based on the evidence that has been introduced at trial.
In any event, big ruling coming in the morning regarding Martin's text messages. A number of messages in the two weeks before he was shot show him talking about fighting, punching someone in the nose and making it bleed and not being satisfied that he had beaten the person badly enough, etc. Doesn't sound like the judge will let them in, but she will let them know tomorrow.
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Even if it was self defense (seriously doubt it)...he wouldn't have to defend himself if he listened to the dispatched and stayed in the fucking truck. He had no business doing the job of a police officer.
Like I said, all the evidence is leading me to believe to Zimmerman trying to apprehend Trayvon and found out that he was a lot stronger than he appeared. The story the defense is portraying just doesn't make sense....I'm sorry but it doesn't...and I don't think the jury is going to buy the story neither although stranger things have happenned.
Its a shame that its practically an all white jury. If they find Zimmerman innocent, I can almost bet that they'll go after the jurist as well and try to kill them.....sad situation to be in.
hope so maybe we can get some racists off the street
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famed forensic pathologist testified today that this was not a complicated case.
He testified that the evidence shown through trayvons clothes and body are completely in line with zimmermans story.
Trayvons clothes were not against his skin when the shot was fired....
if he was on bottom they would have been, the fact the gun was against the hoodie but the hoodie was not against trayvons clothes is what would be expected if what zimmerman said happend, happend.
go ahead jack, chase your tail a little more
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famed forensic pathologist testified today that this was not a complicated case.
He testified that the evidence shown through trayvons clothes and body are completely in line with zimmermans story.
Trayvons clothes were not against his skin when the shot was fired....
if he was on bottom they would have been, the fact the gun was against the hoodie but the hoodie was not against trayvons clothes is what would be expected if what zimmerman said happend, happend.
go ahead jack, chase your tail a little more
Could be possible that Trayvon was pulling back to get away from Zimmerman. Its obvious from the whole thing that there was a struggle and punches were thrown....however witness are giving different accounts as to who was on top at the time....and the witness have no stake whatsoever in the case. Its still a null subject
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Could be possible that Trayvon was pulling back to get away from Zimmerman. Its obvious from the whole thing that there was a struggle and punches were thrown....however witness are giving different accounts as to who was on top at the time....and the witness have no stake whatsoever in the case. Its still a null subject
only one eye witness to this event there, and he said it was zimmerman on bottom and tryavon on top....
dont know what other witnesses you have but they werent eye witnesses.
if trayvon was pulling back his shirt and hoodie would have been touching his body...even if you dream up some hypothetical situation where it could be possible.
Zimmermans account of the story aligns perfectly with the evidence in this regard...sorry thats reasonable doubt.
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Could be possible that Trayvon was pulling back to get away from Zimmerman. Its obvious from the whole thing that there was a struggle and punches were thrown....however witness are giving different accounts as to who was on top at the time....and the witness have no stake whatsoever in the case. Its still a null subject
Exactly, so far more than a reasonable doubt exists. As far as the letter of the law is concerned, Zimmerman SHOULD walk. Everything you've been saying is BS to justify your personal feelings about the man.
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Exactly, so far more than a reasonable doubt exists. As far as the letter of the law is concerned, Zimmerman SHOULD walk. Everything you've been saying is BS to justify your personal feelings about the man.
No, he should be charged with 2nd degree murder. It was a non-premeditated killing resulting from the assault of a victim. There's more than enough evidence to show that Zimmerman attempted to apprehend Trayvon and shot him as a result.....and that's what I believe happenned. Zimmerman thought that he was robbing houses and went to apprehend him.....the key evidence was when he said to the dispatcher..."these assholes always get away"
Zimmerman fucked up....he thought that Trayvon was a criminal and he was wrong. His poor judgement and reaction caused the death of Trayvon. Its 2nd degree murder as well as the federal offense of violation of civil rights...which is what the feds will bust him for.
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No, he should be charged with 2nd degree murder. It was a non-premeditated killing resulting from the assault of a victim. There's more than enough evidence to show that Zimmerman attempted to apprehend Trayvon and shot him as a result.....and that's what I believe happenned. Zimmerman thought that he was robbing houses and went to apprehend him.....the key evidence was when he said to the dispatcher..."these assholes always get away"
Zimmerman fucked up....he thought that Trayvon was a criminal and he was wrong. His poor judgement and reaction caused the death of Trayvon. Its 2nd degree murder as well as the federal offense of violation of civil rights...which is what the feds will bust him for.
Lol, in what fucking world do you operate in? Jesus Christ, you have absolutely zero touch with reality brah. Between this and your bullshit about airsoft guns, there are literally dozens of other examples of you being completely and utterly delusional and completely out of touch with the reality about yourself and the world around you.
Hell, you don't even seem to be able to wrap your head around what the prosecution has to PROVE to convict Zimmerman of Murder 2, which has literally been spelled out by dozens of articles written by legitimate experts of law that have been posted all over this site. Yet, you've already convinced yourself he's guilty of a crime that you don't even understand.
Have you ever been tested for mental illness? I'm pretty sure they have meds for people that operate in such a fantasy land....
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who was more believable?
Dr. "I dont remember anything, I have no facts" Bao or the defenses famed forensic pathologist
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Lol, it what fucking world do you operate in? Jesus Christ, you have absolutely zero touch with reality brah. Between this and your bullshit about airsoft guns, their are literally dozens of other examples of you being completely and utterly delusional and completely out of touch with the reality about yourself and the world around you.
Have you ever been tested for mental illness? I'm pretty sure they have meds for people that operate in such a fantasy land....
hahah have you seen some of his competitions pictures?
all they are missing is a white safety helment....lol
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No, he should be charged with 2nd degree murder. It was a non-premeditated killing resulting from the assault of a victim. There's more than enough evidence to show that Zimmerman attempted to apprehend Trayvon and shot him as a result.....and that's what I believe happenned. Zimmerman thought that he was robbing houses and went to apprehend him.....the key evidence was when he said to the dispatcher..."these assholes always get away"
Zimmerman fucked up....he thought that Trayvon was a criminal and he was wrong. His poor judgement and reaction caused the death of Trayvon. Its 2nd degree murder as well as the federal offense of violation of civil rights...which is what the feds will bust him for.
not if Trayvon initiated the physical confrontation moron
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Today's summary.
http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/07/09/george-zimmerman-trial-trayvon-martin-day-11?hpt=hp_c3
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THE JUDGE is the person who will offer manslaughter and gun charges to the jury. And she certainly will.
Now, they will FIRST look at the 2nd degree murder charge
Then, if not guilty, they move to the lesser charges.
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THE JUDGE is the person who will offer manslaughter and gun charges to the jury. And she certainly will.
Now, they will FIRST look at the 2nd degree murder charge
Then, if not guilty, they move to the lesser charges.
heard the prosecution has to ask for it.
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The evidence at trial showed he killed an unarmed teenager in self-defense. That's not a crime.
I'd hesitate to say that's what the evidence showed - it may have pointed in that direction, but I don't know that I'd go so far as to say that it unequivocally pointed in that direction. And even if you think it did, that means nothing; the only people whose opinion matters are the people who will evaluate the facts presented at trial: the jurors.
Martin committed a crime by assaulting Zimmerman. Zimmerman did call the cops and attempted to let them do their job, but Martin wouldn't let that happen. That's what the evidence at trial has shown.
I don't disagree in principle, but I think you're going too far the other way. After all, the "stand your ground" law cuts both ways. Martin could have been legitimately afraid his life was in danger and decided to stand his ground by attacking.
Someone made a good point the other day that had Martin not died, he could have been charged with a crime for assaulting Zimmerman.
Perhaps he could have, but it's unlikely. But even if he had, please see above. I'm curious to hear what you think.
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heard the prosecution has to ask for it.
its weird to me that we don't have a clear & definite explanation of how it works in Florida. Maybe we're just getting ahead of ourselves. Sounds like it's a done deal that it'll be asked for and granted now?
I didn't know it was an option - in this case, the defense sure can't be happy if it is an option.
And nancy grace said there may be gun charges too? ???
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I'd hesitate to say that's what the evidence showed - it may have pointed in that direction, but I don't know that I'd go so far as to say that it unequivocally pointed in that direction. And even if you think it did, that means nothing; the only people whose opinion matters are the people who will evaluate the facts presented at trial: the jurors.
I don't disagree in principle, but I think you're going too far the other way. After all, the "stand your ground" law cuts both ways. Martin could have been legitimately afraid his life was in danger and decided to stand his ground by attacking.
Perhaps he could have, but it's unlikely. But even if he had, please see above. I'm curious to hear what you think.
It is becoming apparent that you are nothing more than a blowhard with a stupid avatar. First you argued that inconclusive DNA evidence trumps eye witness testimony, Zimmermans injuries and the testimony of the police. Now, the forensics presented at the trial don't tell the story you like, so now that's basically become irrelevant also. According to you, the only thing that matters is what the jury thinks. ::)
Bravo. The only thing that matters in any murder trial is what the jury thinks. You could have saved the board some bandwith and called it a day by simply responding that you want Zimmerman to be convicted of murder at all costs-- facts be damned.
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its weird to me that we don't have a clear & definite explanation of how it works in Florida. Maybe we're just getting ahead of ourselves. Sounds like it's a done deal that it'll be asked for and granted now?
I didn't know it was an option - in this case, the defense sure can't be happy if it is an option.
And nancy grace said there may be gun charges too? ???
yea I heard something about punishment being greater b/c a gun was involved...so if he is convicted of manslaughter the punishment could be steeper b/c of a gun.
Im sure if its an option the prosecution will ask for it just like the defense asked for acquital. I honestly dont know if they convict him of that, havent paid much attention but the prosecution doesnt seem to have a supposed scenario to where zimmerman started the confrontation.
All they are saying is its a possibility, if its a possibility he did its a possibility he didnt...thats reasonable doubt
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It is becoming apparent that you are nothing more than a blowhard with a stupid avatar.
What is, also, becoming apparent is that your reading comprehension is somewhere between "READING? BWHA... WHAT'S THAT?" and "I HAVE PUTRID FECES WHERE OTHER HAVE A BRAIN. I CAN'T READ AT ALL!". Excellent skill in judging avatars though! ;)
First you argued that inconclusive DNA evidence trumps eye witness testimony, Zimmermans injuries and the testimony of the police.
Except, well, that's not what I argued in my posts about the DNA evidence or here for that matter. I'm really not sure if you are just a dishonest prick or just plain fucking stupid. Let's just give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are neither, but just suffered some sort of mini-meltdown while you were typing you response. In which case my response is:
I argued that the evidence presented about the lack of DNA can't be summarily dismissed; fights as brutal as what we are led to believe occurred invariably result in a lot of forensic evidence left on the attacker and the victim. I also argued that eyewitnesses - even under ideal circumstances - aren't always reliable and that even their best, most honest recollection can be severely flawed.
Now tell me... which of these positions do you suggest is wrong or inaccurate?
On to the more general topic of the evidence presented, I think that the evidence suggests that Zimmerman shot and killed Martin after an altercation in which Zimmerman was very likely afraid for his life - regardless of whether that fear was rational. I believe that both of them were responsible for escalating the situation but that Zimmerman stupidly started it. I don't think he deserves jail or to be convicted of murder or even manslaughter for being stupid however.
As far as I'm concerned, the prosecution didn't prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt - and that means a walk in my book. But as I said, I'm not empaneled.
Now, the forensics presented at the trial don't tell the story you like, so now that's basically become irrelevant also.
First of all, there's no "story I like." I have no particular interest in the outcome of the case, nor do I really care one way or another. As far as I'm concerned, Zimmerman was stupid to pursue someone he thought might be out looking for trouble and the Martin kid was stupid for not rushing home or calling the Police on his phone upon realizing that someone was after him. Both made stupid decisions that night, and when you put that much stupid together bad shit tends to happen.
But who am I to try and school you on what stupid people do? It is a topic on which you are, undoubtedly, an expert.
Bravo. The only thing that matters in any murder trial is what the jury thinks. You could have saved the board some bandwith and called it a day by simply responding that you want Zimmerman to be convicted of murder at all costs-- facts be damned.
Except, you know... I don't. That you think I do is irrelevant. And please note, I use the term "think" loosely.
But if you want to save the board bandwidth then how about you quit posting? Besides reducing bandwidth usage, you'd also help raise the average IQ on here by at least half a dozen points. Two birds with one stone and all that jazz.
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is that the same witness who was near deaf and pining on and on about how beautiful it was in san antonio? he seemed senile. that was the dude on this morning at 10. not sure if same guy, didn't watch today.
He is more credible than jabba the hutt.
That "senile" man is considered to be one of the top three forensic pathologists in this nation.
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He is more credible than jabba the hutt.
That "senile" man is considered to be one of the top three forensic pathologists in this nation.
i didnt hate on his credentials.
I do think a dude with similiar credentials and 10 years younger would leave a better impression on the jury. I mean, waxing philosophical about the beauty of San Antonio surely was NOT in the script lol.
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i didnt hate on his credentials.
I do think a dude with similiar credentials and 10 years younger would leave a better impression on the jury. I mean, waxing philosophical about the beauty of San Antonio surely was NOT in the script lol.
Bottom line is that the entire hoax of case you and Obama and msnbc created has crumbled.
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i didnt hate on his credentials.
I do think a dude with similiar credentials and 10 years younger would leave a better impression on the jury. I mean, waxing philosophical about the beauty of San Antonio surely was NOT in the script lol.
So what if he made remarks about San Antonio.
His testimony was more detailed and had more clarity THAN most of the witnesses put on the stand by the prosecution. Certainly more understandable than the disorganized Dr. Bao. Bao is a lot younger yet he looked like an idiot on the stand.
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Judge decided to not allow Trayvon's texts.
If Zimm is convicted, could he used that decision as ground for an appeal?
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I'd hesitate to say that's what the evidence showed - it may have pointed in that direction, but I don't know that I'd go so far as to say that it unequivocally pointed in that direction. And even if you think it did, that means nothing; the only people whose opinion matters are the people who will evaluate the facts presented at trial: the jurors.
I don't disagree in principle, but I think you're going too far the other way. After all, the "stand your ground" law cuts both ways. Martin could have been legitimately afraid his life was in danger and decided to stand his ground by attacking.
Perhaps he could have, but it's unlikely. But even if he had, please see above. I'm curious to hear what you think.
You indicated earlier that you have not been following the case, so how do you know what the evidence showed?
My opinion means something to me. It obviously means nothing to the jury. But thanks for pointing out the obvious. I’ve been saying for weeks I have no idea what the jury will do. Still don’t.
Zimmerman isn’t using “stand your ground” as a defense, but you’d know that if you were actually following the case.
Yes, it makes sense to me Martin could have been charged with a crime, because the evidence shows he beat the crap out of Zimmerman.
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The use of force expert was excellent. Further proof that Zimmerman acted in self-defense.
Missed Zimmerman’s father, but I don’t think the family members on either side should be given much weight when it comes to identifying the voice yelling for help.
Looks like they did not introduce evidence of Martin’s marijuana use? Interesting decision, especially after fighting so hard to get it in.
Closing arguments tomorrow?
Riots on Friday? (Joking. Archer that was for you.)
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The use of force expert was excellent. Further proof that Zimmerman acted in self-defense.
Missed Zimmerman’s father, but I don’t think the family members on either side should be given much weight when it comes to identifying the voice yelling for help.
Looks like they did not introduce evidence of Martin’s marijuana use? Interesting decision, especially after fighting so hard to get it in.
Closing arguments tomorrow?
Riots on Friday? (Joking. Archer that was for you.)
Hell yeah. I am ready for this shit. I got my map of places to hit already planned out. And even borrowed my neighbors handicap sticker so I can park up close and won't have to spend a lot of time running back and forth the car. Not that I expect a lot of other fellow looters out. The approaching tropical storm will keep the blaques inside. And my stores to hit are not on the bus line.
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Hell yeah. I am ready for this shit. I got my map of places to hit already planned out. And even borrowed my neighbors handicap sticker so I can park up close and won't have to spend a lot of time running back and forth the car. Not that I expect a lot of other fellow looters out. The approaching tropical storm will keep the blaques inside. And my stores to hit are not on the bus line.
Screw that. I'd be inside protecting my stuff.
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Interesting comment by the use of force expert:
Root estimated the fight between Zimmerman and Martin lasted for at least 40 seconds.
"[People in law enforcement] have a golden rule. If you have not successfully completed the fight, if you have not won the fight in 30 seconds, change tactics because the tactics you are using are not working," said Root.
http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/07/10/george-zimmerman-trial-trayvon-martin-day-12?hpt=hp_c2
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You indicated earlier that you have not been following the case, so how do you know what the evidence showed?
My opinion means something to me. It obviously means nothing to the jury. But thanks for pointing out the obvious. I’ve been saying for weeks I have no idea what the jury will do. Still don’t.
Zimmerman isn’t using “stand your ground” as a defense, but you’d know that if you were actually following the case.
Yes, it makes sense to me Martin could have been charged with a crime, because the evidence shows he beat the crap out of Zimmerman.
I haven't watched the events unfold or paid much attention. But I have read a few articles here and there describing what's happening, and then there's the wonderful thread on here that's full of objective analyses!
I do not know the particulars of zimmerman's defense strategy nor do I think they matter. My question was hypothetical: if Zimmerman could invoke "stand your ground" shouldn't Martin have been able to as well, of he weren't dead? After all, being followed/pursued by someone at night can lead someone to be genuinely afraid about what's going to happen next.
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Will be interesting to hear the last comments, but it seems the prosecution has failed. I really don't understand what they've been trying to do. Very strange.
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I haven't watched the events unfold or paid much attention. But I have read a few articles here and there describing what's happening, and then there's the wonderful thread on here that's full of objective analyses!
I do not know the particulars of zimmerman's defense strategy nor do I think they matter. My question was hypothetical: if Zimmerman could invoke "stand your ground" shouldn't Martin have been able to as well, of he weren't dead? After all, being followed/pursued by someone at night can lead someone to be genuinely afraid about what's going to happen next.
In other words, you really are not in a position say that I've been overstating anything, because you "haven't watched the events unfold or paid much attention." But of course that doesn't mean you cannot have an opinion. It's just not a very informed opinion.
Of course the particulars of Zimmerman's defense matter. The only thing that matters is what he is actually using as a defense. He has not invoked "stand your ground." He is relying on traditional self-defense.
I don't know what Martin could have done if he wasn't dead. Haven't thought about it.
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LOL prosecution is now backing off their claim that zimmerman was on top of trayvon.
Asking the use of force witness today, if the gun shot would have been consistent if trayvon was on top but leaning back?
SO...first it was that zimmerman was on top and now it is trayvon was on top...
REASONABLE DOUBT MORONS!!!!
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Makes me wonder what the person directly representing the parents has said to them, about the way the case has been handled.
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LOL prosecution is now backing off their claim that zimmerman was on top of trayvon.
Asking the use of force witness today, if the gun shot would have been consistent if trayvon was on top but leaning back?
SO...first it was that zimmerman was on top and now it is trayvon was on top...
REASONABLE DOUBT MORONS!!!!
They also tried to say that Martin could have started yelling for help, while he was on top of Zimmerman, but after he saw the gun. ::)
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Makes me wonder what the person directly representing the parents has said to them, about the way the case has been handled.
handled about as good as it could have been with the facts of the case, they cant make up facts like you guys have
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Shameful. http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/10/justice/sanford-bill-lee-exclusive/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
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If zimmerman is acquitted I want those ppl who were fired to sue the fack out of the sanford police department
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Well, looks like they asked to include manslaughter AND other lesser charges.
How pathetic, they failed to prove his guilt on their original charge, so theyre just throwing shit at him trying to make somethinf stick. This is a fucking mockery of justice
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I honestly dont know if they have even proved manslaughter, the prosecution has no real facts to support their case only circumstantial evidence and hear say.
reasonable doubt all over the place no matter what they try and charge him with.
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The only thing the prosecution proved was that Zimmerman acted in self-defense.
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You indicated earlier that you have not been following the case, so how do you know what the evidence showed?
My opinion means something to me. It obviously means nothing to the jury. But thanks for pointing out the obvious. I’ve been saying for weeks I have no idea what the jury will do. Still don’t.
Zimmerman isn’t using “stand your ground” as a defense, but you’d know that if you were actually following the case.
Yes, it makes sense to me Martin could have been charged with a crime, because the evidence shows he beat the crap out of Zimmerman.
Yes, Zimmerman did get the shit beat out of him....no doubt. That's why I think that Zimmerman tried to capture him because that's the only why I would think that Trayvon would do so....he was fighting to get away from him and as a result, Zimmerman went and shot him somewhere in the process.
You can't go and pick a fight with someone and then claim self defense when the person obviously decides to fight back....that's ridiculous.
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Yes, Zimmerman did get the shit beat out of him....no doubt. That's why I think that Zimmerman tried to capture him because that's the only why I would think that Trayvon would do so....he was fighting to get away from him and as a result, Zimmerman went and shot him somewhere in the process.
You can't go and pick a fight with someone and then claim self defense when the person obviously decides to fight back....that's ridiculous.
or trayvon could just be a dick and decide to beat the shit out of the fat mexican that bothered him as he was walking (more likely considering martins history of fighting).
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Well, looks like they asked to include manslaughter AND other lesser charges.
How pathetic, they failed to prove his guilt on their original charge, so theyre just throwing shit at him trying to make somethinf stick. This is a fucking mockery of justice
Yep.
"Prosecutors asked the court Wednesday to let jurors consider two charges other than murder in relation to Martin's death: manslaughter and aggravated assault. Zimmerman's lawyers objected, saying it should be murder or nothing."
http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/10/justice/zimmerman-trial/index.html?hpt=hp_c2
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or trayvon could just be a dick and decide to beat the shit out of the fat mexican that bothered him as he was walking (more likely considering martins history of fighting).
Yup.
Ex-Sanford Police Chief Says He Was Pressured By City Officials To Arrest Zimmerman Even Though He Already Cleared Him Of Any Wrongdoing
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/07/10/justice/sanford-bill-lee-exclusive/index.html
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Yes, Zimmerman did get the shit beat out of him....no doubt. That's why I think that Zimmerman tried to capture him because that's the only why I would think that Trayvon would do so....he was fighting to get away from him and as a result, Zimmerman went and shot him somewhere in the process.
You can't go and pick a fight with someone and then claim self defense when the person obviously decides to fight back....that's ridiculous.
someone trying to get away doesnt mount, bounce the head on concrete and punch the person they are trying to get away from...actually in Florida you can start a fight and then try to back away and claim self defense.
even if zimmerman started the fight, which there is absolutely no proof of and he after starting the fight tried to stop and disengage...like not striking trayvon and calling for help he could still claim self defense.
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Yes, Zimmerman did get the shit beat out of him....no doubt. That's why I think that Zimmerman tried to capture him because that's the only why I would think that Trayvon would do so....he was fighting to get away from him and as a result, Zimmerman went and shot him somewhere in the process.
You can't go and pick a fight with someone and then claim self defense when the person obviously decides to fight back....that's ridiculous.
All of the evidence is in. Plenty of evidence Martin beat the crap out of Zimmerman. Zero evidence that Zimmerman tried to capture Martin. Zero evidence that Zimmerman confronted Martin. Zero evidence that Zimmerman started a fight. Zero evidence that Zimmerman even landed a single blow. Every reliable piece of evidence points to self-defense.
You can't go beat the crap out of someone, then complain when that person happens to be armed and shoots you. I don't care what the jury decides, there was no crime committed here by Zimmerman.
But as I've learned from talking to numerous people, the facts don't matter. People like you have their mind up. Doesn't really matter what actually happened or what the evidence at trial showed.
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All of the evidence is in. Plenty of evidence Martin beat the crap out of Zimmerman. Zero evidence that Zimmerman tried to capture Martin. Zero evidence that Zimmerman confronted Martin. Zero evidence that Zimmerman started a fight. Zero evidence that Zimmerman even landed a single blow. Every reliable piece of evidence points to self-defense.
You can't go beat the crap out of someone, then complain when that person happens to be armed and shoots you. I don't care what the jury decides, there was no crime committed here by Zimmerman.
But as I've learned from talking to numerous people, the facts don't matter. People like you have their mind up. Doesn't really matter what actually happened or what the evidence at trial showed.
You forgot zero evidence that Martin started the fight
The question for the jury will be whether deadly force was justified
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You forgot zero evidence that Martin started the fight
The question for the jury will be whether deadly force was justified
It's irrelevant that they have no evidence that martin started the fight. There is far more than a reasonable doubt that he comitted murder 2. End of story. I don't think the justification of deadly force has anything to do with convicting him of murder. It may come into play if the judge allows the lesser charges, however. (Which I'm fairly sure he will, can you imagine the ensuing shitstorm if he doesn't? Wouldn't suprise me if he will be pressured into it.)
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It's irrelevant that they have no evidence that martin started the fight. There is far more than a reasonable doubt that he comitted murder 2. End of story. I don't think the justification of deadly force has anything to do with convicting him of murder. It may come into play if the judge allows the lesser charges, however. (Which I'm fairly sure he will, can you imagine the ensuing shitstorm if he doesn't? Wouldn't suprise me if he will be pressured into it.)
He is a she (the judge). I hope she doesn't allow the lesser included offenses, but she probably will.
True about Martin, although it wasn't a fight. It was a beat down by Martin.
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He is a she (the judge). I hope she doesn't allow the lesser included offenses, but she probably will.
True about Martin, although it wasn't a fight. It was a beat down by Martin.
Lol, I have just been reading articles. Not once have I turned on the TV, although I did see some highlights on CNN at the gym. It was pretty funny watching the 2 legal "experts" explain why the exact same piece of evidence was great for the defense AND the prosecution, depending on which pundit it was and whether they believed Zimmerman was guilty or not.
The woman who felt Zimmerman was guilty automatically said that the witness/defense was a "tremendous help" to the prosecution and how brilliant the prosecutor was, and the other pundit said the exact same thing except he said it helped the defense and the defense attorney. It was hilarious.
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Lol, I have just been reading articles. Not once have I turned on the TV, although I did see some highlights on CNN at the gym. It was pretty funny watching the 2 legal "experts" explain why the exact same piece of evidence was great for the defense AND the prosecution, depending on which pundit it was and whether they believed Zimmerman was guilty or not.
The woman who felt Zimmerman was guilty automatically said that the witness/defense was a "tremendous help" to the prosecution and how brilliant the prosecutor was, and the other pundit said the exact same thing except he said it helped the defense and the defense attorney. It was hilarious.
Tell me about it. It is pretty comical. You should hear the Martin family lawyers. You'd think the proseuction presented a video of Zimmerman executing Martin.
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I never cease in being amazed at how this case has polarized the public. Countless thousands die and are killed daily around the world, yet the public's attention is drawn to this case, for what reason exactly? Of what significance is Trayvon Martin? None whatsoever. Oh, I forgot, he's black. There, I said it. Throw in Paula Deen using the "N" word and the sheep will be distracted for weeks.
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You forgot zero evidence that Martin started the fight
The question for the jury will be whether deadly force was justified
youre admitting reasonable doubt right there....
straw, take all the preconceptions away, take away the phone call, who started the fight etc.
If you were being beat up, your head had been bashed into the concrete multiple times, you have been punched in the face multiple times...its dark and no one is around to help you
would you fear grave bodily injury?
would you fear for your life?
if you fear grave bodily harm, which i dont see how anyone could look at the situation and say that he didnt...self defense and the use of deadly force was justified.
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I never cease in being amazed at how this case has polarized the public. Countless thousands die and are killed daily around the world, yet the public's attention is drawn to this case, for what reason exactly? Of what significance is Trayvon Martin? None whatsoever. Oh, I forgot, he's black. There, I said it.
It's a game of power. It's a variation on the master/slave morality.
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The woman who felt Zimmerman was guilty automatically said that the witness/defense was a "tremendous help" to the prosecution and how brilliant the prosecutor was, and the other pundit said the exact same thing except he said it helped the defense and the defense attorney. It was hilarious.
she is an attorney for the martin family....lol every piece of testimony was "this is good for the prosecution from her"
everyone else on the panel seems to understand the reality of the situation now.
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Yep.
"Prosecutors asked the court Wednesday to let jurors consider two charges other than murder in relation to Martin's death: manslaughter and aggravated assault. Zimmerman's lawyers objected, saying it should be murder or nothing."
http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/10/justice/zimmerman-trial/index.html?hpt=hp_c2
Did the judge award it? Everyone says she will.
Zimm will get a lesser charge not because of any law, but because he is DUMB and DANGEROUS.
Dumb because he got outta his truck to confront a possily armed dude on drugs, 120 seconds before police arrived - dumb because he wanted that confrontation.
Dangerous because he shoved a cop, allegedly molested cousin, allegedly punched wife, admittedly shot trayvon... Dangerous because no matter what he does, he keeps finding ways to hurt people. Period.
Jury will lock him up for 5 years just to keep him off the street armed for a few years. period. 5/6 of the jurors are mothers - they don't want thier babies being chased by zimmerman quite yet. You can say "he won't do anything violent again" but I'm sure he said that after his first few charges...
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Other zimmerman charges:
Resisting arrest with battery of a police officer.
Domestic abuse.
Now the chasing and shooting.
Whatever the outcome of this case - if he beats it, he will be back on the streets with twin glocks very quickly. He'll be paranoid - his team already admits he'll "never be safe". So he'll walk around looking for a gun battle with anyone who looks at him twice.
History of violence 2x + proven paranoia + he'll have his guns back + history of alcohol abuse = OH SHIT!!!
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Did the judge award it? Everyone says she will.
Zimm will get a lesser charge not because of any law, but because he is DUMB and DANGEROUS.
Dumb because he got outta his truck to confront a possily armed dude on drugs, 120 seconds before police arrived - dumb because he wanted that confrontation.
Dangerous because he shoved a cop, allegedly molested cousin, allegedly punched wife, admittedly shot trayvon... Dangerous because no matter what he does, he keeps finding ways to hurt people. Period.
Jury will lock him up for 5 years just to keep him off the street armed for a few years. period. 5/6 of the jurors are mothers - they don't want thier babies being chased by zimmerman quite yet. You can say "he won't do anything violent again" but I'm sure he said that after his first few charges...
What's dumb is you patrolling your own neighborhood in an armed vigilante squad that stalked strangers and then criticizing someone who did the same thing.
Lying, hypocritical, race-baiting douche bag.
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What's dumb is you patrolling your own neighborhood in an armed vigilante squad that stalked strangers and then criticizing someone who did the same thing.
Lying, hypocritical, race-baiting douche bag.
Remember how he wanted me cleaning out my hood w a shotgun and calling me out for it?
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What's dumb is you patrolling your own neighborhood in an armed vigilante squad that stalked strangers and then criticizing someone who did the same thing.
Lying, hypocritical, race-baiting douche bag.
I remember that from 2 years ago or so but wasn't sure who it was.. Most ironic if it's 240...
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or trayvon could just be a dick and decide to beat the shit out of the fat mexican that bothered him as he was walking (more likely considering martins history of fighting).
Unfortunately, we'll never know the truth.....the only side we can hear from is Zimmerman's. Can't hear Trayvon's side of the story and I'm more than sure that he'll say that Zimmerman grabbed him first. Then you have an all white jury....not even an asian person. Really bad idea as it will give people another excuse to riot should things go bad.
But justice will be served in this matter, it will either by justice by the courts, justice by the feds, or justice by the streets. They will hunt Zimmerman down and they will fuck him up seriously....and if they can't find him, then they'll find whoever they can to get payback. Unfortunately, that's just some people are wired....they want to have an excuse to riot, to destroy property, to kill people.....sometimes not at all
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Unfortunately, we'll never know the truth.....the only side we can hear from is Zimmerman's. Can't hear Trayvon's side of the story and I'm more than sure that he'll say that Zimmerman grabbed him first. Then you have an all white jury....not even an asian person. Really bad idea as it will give people another excuse to riot should things go bad.
But justice will be served in this matter, it will either by justice by the courts, justice by the feds, or justice by the streets. They will hunt Zimmerman down and they will fuck him up seriously....and if they can't find him, then they'll find whoever they can to get payback. Unfortunately, that's just some people are wired....they want to have an excuse to riot, to destroy property, to kill people.....sometimes not at all
No one from the streets is going to hunt him down. The only way someone from the streets would lay a hand on Zimmerman is if they come across him by accident.
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No one from the streets is going to hunt him down. The only way someone from the streets would lay a hand on Zimmerman is if they come across him by accident.
Don't be too sure....people do crazy things. I wouldn't put it past someone to even go after the jury, the defense attorney, etc if he doesn't get convicted. This isn't the same as Casey Anthony here....its literally a powder keg just waiting for a lighted fuse.
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Don't be too sure....people do crazy things. I wouldn't put it past someone to even go after the jury, the defense attorney, etc if he doesn't get convicted. This isn't the same as Casey Anthony here....its literally a powder keg just waiting for a lighted fuse.
You're prescribing more initiative than is possessed by people from the streets. They aren't the mafia.
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Vince is right to a degree. This is FL. They have some really sketchy verdicts to come back at times.
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Vince is right to a degree. This is FL. They have some really sketchy verdicts to come back at times.
Oh yeah, Florida is well know for that.
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Am I hearing correctly?
Besides manslaughter, the state wants the jury to be given instructions that they can find Zimm guilty of 3rd degree murder based on child abuse?
What?
It looks like Zimm will be foung guilty of something.
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Unfortunately, we'll never know the truth.....the only side we can hear from is Zimmerman's. Can't hear Trayvon's side of the story and I'm more than sure that he'll say that Zimmerman grabbed him first. Then you have an all white jury....not even an asian person. Really bad idea as it will give people another excuse to riot should things go bad.
But justice will be served in this matter, it will either by justice by the courts, justice by the feds, or justice by the streets. They will hunt Zimmerman down and they will fuck him up seriously....and if they can't find him, then they'll find whoever they can to get payback. Unfortunately, that's just some people are wired....they want to have an excuse to riot, to destroy property, to kill people.....sometimes not at all
You talk like a white man but have a 3rd world outlook
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Source: USA Today
SANFORD, Fla.-- The judge in the Trayvon Martin murder case agreed Thursday to instruct jurors to consider the lesser charge of manslaughter when they begin deliberations.
George Zimmerman had been charged only with second-degree murder.
Zimmerman's attorneys had objected to adding any lesser charges, and Judge Debra Nelson held a hearing on the issue. The jury still has the option of convicting Zimmerman, 29, of the second-degree murder charge that prosecutors sought when the trial began.
The last-minute maneuvering has been seen by some legal experts as an indication that prosecutors were not confident about their chances for a second-degree murder conviction. Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch volunteer, has been portrayed by prosecutors as a wanna-be cop who shot Trayvon, who is black, after a confrontation in a gated residential community in February 2012.
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Source: USA Today
SANFORD, Fla.-- The judge in the Trayvon Martin murder case agreed Thursday to instruct jurors to consider the lesser charge of manslaughter when they begin deliberations.
George Zimmerman had been charged only with second-degree murder.
Zimmerman's attorneys had objected to adding any lesser charges, and Judge Debra Nelson held a hearing on the issue. The jury still has the option of convicting Zimmerman, 29, of the second-degree murder charge that prosecutors sought when the trial began.
The last-minute maneuvering has been seen by some legal experts as an indication that prosecutors were not confident about their chances for a second-degree murder conviction. Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch volunteer, has been portrayed by prosecutors as a wanna-be cop who shot Trayvon, who is black, after a confrontation in a gated residential community in February 2012.
And manslaughter it will be.
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I don't even see manslaughter sticking.
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I don't even see manslaughter sticking.
The jurors will choose manslaughter as a compromise verdict. The other option is a hung jury.
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Manslaughter with a Weapon or Firearm
The crime of Manslaughter with a Weapon or Firearm is classified as a First Degree Felony and is assigned a Level 7 offense severity ranking under Florida's Criminal Punishment Code.
If convicted of Manslaughter, a judge is required to impose a minimum prison sentence of 9Ľ years in prison and can impose any additional combination of the following penalties:
•Up to 30 years in prison.
•Up to 30 years of probation.
•Up to $10,000 in fines.
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Child abuse? Defense is pissed. OUTRAGEOUS!
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I don't even see manslaughter sticking.
The case presented by the prosecution doesn't warrant a guilty verdict on ANY charge. NONE.
BUT, this case has been politicized and flooded with racial overtones. Zimm will be sacrificed to appease the race baiters.
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Child abuse? For a 6 foot tall gold teeth racist doper like trayshit?
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Child abuse? For a 6 foot tall gold teeth racist doper like trayshit?
If trayvon was 4 foot 8 and 89 pounds, and was 18, he'd be tried as an ADULT for any crimes.
So yes, legally, he just turned 17 and was a child. Legally, the 3rd degree child charge shouldn't stick anyway, but it could.
Now, the defense lawyer threatening "if you add that charge, we have a lot of TALKING to do" - he is outright threatening to filibuster and drag out this trial if they charge that.
They agreed with the manslaughter charge, and hey, surely the 3rd degree child charge shouldn't matter if they didn't prove their case, right? DEFENSE was unprepared for this, BUT since they did intro that 17 year old line of text, they SHOULD have seen this coming.
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If trayvon was 4 foot 8 and 89 pounds, and was 18, he'd be tried as an ADULT for any crimes.
So yes, legally, he just turned 17 and was a child. Legally, the 3rd degree child charge shouldn't stick anyway, but it could.
Now, the defense lawyer threatening "if you add that charge, we have a lot of TALKING to do" - he is outright threatening to filibuster and drag out this trial if they charge that.
They agreed with the manslaughter charge, and hey, surely the 3rd degree child charge shouldn't matter if they didn't prove their case, right? DEFENSE was unprepared for this, BUT since they did intro that 17 year old line of text, they SHOULD have seen this coming.
Smacks of desperation.
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Child abuse? For a 6 foot tall gold teeth racist doper like trayshit?
and if trayvon looked like LeBron James - and wasn't 5' 11" and 158 pounds as his death certificate lists - Would zimmerman have chased him? OF COURSE NOT!
He did bully the kid. He did believe, with his MMA training and 30 pound weight advantage, that he'd kick trayvon's ass. He thought tray was on drugs and armed and STILL chased him - Brave? Dumb? Either way, he wouldn't chase lebron james. 5'11" and 159 pounds is beyond skinny twink.
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zimm is going down,as he should
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Smacks of desperation.
Aggrivated assault smacks of desperation.
Manslaughter is about right.
3rd degree should be easily beaten by this weak ass case.
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zimm is going down,as he should
nonsense. getbiggers declared 2 weeks ago (when the prosecution got their weak shit out of the way early) that the trial was over, zimmerman would beat the rap.
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nonsense. getbiggers declared 2 weeks ago (when the prosecution got their weak shit out of the way early) that the trial was over, zimmerman would beat the rap.
getbiggers get it wrong most of the time ;D
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They agreed with the manslaughter charge, and hey, surely the 3rd degree child charge shouldn't matter if they didn't prove their case, right? DEFENSE was unprepared for this, BUT since they did intro that 17 year old line of text, they SHOULD have seen this coming.
The defense was unprepared because the prosecution dumped that additional charge on them TWO HOURS before court session began. EVEN the judge didn't have all the case law cited by the prosecution.
The judge has to give the defense time to research and counter every single case cited by the prosecution. Makes sense to me. That is what Don West was referring to. He was not threatening.
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and if trayvon looked like LeBron James - and wasn't 5' 11" and 158 pounds as his death certificate lists - Would zimmerman have chased him? OF COURSE NOT!
He did bully the kid. He did believe, with his MMA training and 30 pound weight advantage, that he'd kick trayvon's ass. He thought tray was on drugs and armed and STILL chased him - Brave? Dumb? Either way, he wouldn't chase lebron james. 5'11" and 159 pounds is beyond skinny twink.
Is following someone illegal?
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zimm is going down,as he should
When you have a biased judge, a ridiculous da overcharging the case, etc - kangaroo court is obvious just to place the mobs of racist black thugs threatening to riot like animals if they don't get their way.
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When you have a biased judge, a ridiculous da overcharging the case, etc - kangaroo court is obvious just to place the mobs of racist black thugs threatening to riot like animals if they don't get their way.
He could appeal but I don't know on what grounds. We shall see.
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When you have a biased judge, a ridiculous da overcharging the case, etc - kangaroo court is obvious just to place the mobs of racist black thugs threatening to riot like animals if they don't get their way.
oh man, there will be no race riots lol. silliness.
and the defense team having no idea that 10/20/Life applies to manslaughter or aggrivated assault - PATHETIC. They're unprepared for this case, sad really. I called out the inept defense team on day 1 and we're seeing it now as well. Mandatory sentencing may be what ends up keeping zimmerman locked up for 20 years.
Unless he settles for a last minute plea for 8 years to avoid that 20 year charge he's suddenly facing because the defense had no idea...
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oh man, there will be no race riots lol. silliness.
and the defense team having no idea that 10/20/Life applies to manslaughter or aggrivated assault - PATHETIC. They're unprepared for this case, sad really. I called out the inept defense team on day 1 and we're seeing it now as well. Mandatory sentencing may be what ends up keeping zimmerman locked up for 20 years.
Unless he settles for a last minute plea for 8 years to avoid that 20 year charge he's suddenly facing because the defense had no idea...
He may very well plea to eight. Unless that is his defense team has him convinced his case is a guaranteed win.
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Please to 8? No FNG way.
How does he even get convicted of manslaughter at this point?
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Please to 8? No FNG way.
How does he even get convicted of manslaughter at this point?
A compromise verdict.
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It's irrelevant that they have no evidence that martin started the fight. There is far more than a reasonable doubt that he comitted murder 2. End of story. I don't think the justification of deadly force has anything to do with convicting him of murder. It may come into play if the judge allows the lesser charges, however. (Which I'm fairly sure he will, can you imagine the ensuing shitstorm if he doesn't? Wouldn't suprise me if he will be pressured into it.)
not end of story because he can be convicted on a lesser charge
also, if Martin did not start the fight then how can Zimmerman claim self defense unless you're allowed to start fights and then kill the person
I'm not saying Martin did not start the fight but just pointing out there is no evidence that he did
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Source: USA Today
SANFORD, Fla.-- The judge in the Trayvon Martin murder case agreed Thursday to instruct jurors to consider the lesser charge of manslaughter when they begin deliberations.
George Zimmerman had been charged only with second-degree murder.
Zimmerman's attorneys had objected to adding any lesser charges, and Judge Debra Nelson held a hearing on the issue. The jury still has the option of convicting Zimmerman, 29, of the second-degree murder charge that prosecutors sought when the trial began.
The last-minute maneuvering has been seen by some legal experts as an indication that prosecutors were not confident about their chances for a second-degree murder conviction. Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch volunteer, has been portrayed by prosecutors as a wanna-be cop who shot Trayvon, who is black, after a confrontation in a gated residential community in February 2012.
Excellent move by the prosecution. The jury is definitely going to give him something....even manslaughter will net him about 30 years and the judge will almost certainly give him the maximum penalty.
Goodbye Zimmerman....say hello to prison. Be sure not to drop the soap ;D Once he's in prison, they will be no place for him to hide. The Neo Nazi's won't protect him because he's half Hispanic...the hispanics won't protect him because of his "Myspace Profile".......
He's going to be having some dark meat every single night. ;D
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Excellent move by the prosecution. The jury is definitely going to give him something....even manslaughter will net him about 30 years and the judge will almost certainly give him the maximum penalty.
Goodbye Zimmerman....say hello to prison. Be sure not to drop the soap ;D
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Funny how the 70+ black thugs like Ashtrayvon shot in Chicago last weekend barely get a mention.
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Funny how the 70+ black thugs like Ashtrayvon shot in Chicago last weekend barely get a mention.
Well, that's too bad....
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Excellent move by the prosecution. The jury is definitely going to give him something....even manslaughter will net him about 30 years and the judge will almost certainly give him the maximum penalty.
Goodbye Zimmerman....say hello to prison. Be sure not to drop the soap ;D Once he's in prison, they will be no place for him to hide. The Neo Nazi's won't protect him because he's half Hispanic...the hispanics won't protect him because of his "Myspace Profile".......
He's going to be having some dark meat every single night. ;D
He will be in protective custody.
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Well, that's too bad....
Just shows how utterly delusional and pathetic and in denial Da Comunnity is.
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Vince is right to a degree. This is FL. They have some really sketchy verdicts to come back at times.
http://patdollard.com/2013/07/zimmerman-defense-attorneys-daughters-get-rape-threats/
Wow!!! Defense attorney's daughters running off at the mouth a little too much. Now they might get got
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http://patdollard.com/2013/07/zimmerman-defense-attorneys-daughters-get-rape-threats/
Wow!!! Defense attorney's daughters running off at the mouth a little too much. Now they might get got
Your previous posts show that you support "vigilante justice" if you feel the courts don't give the desired verdict.
Should we assume you would applaud her rape?
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Your previous posts show that you support "vigilante justice" if you feel the courts don't give the desired verdict.
Should we assume you would applaud her rape?
Would think so. Pretty immature, if you think about it.
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Funny how the 70+ black thugs like Ashtrayvon shot in Chicago last weekend barely get a mention.
you want to put society on trial, and that's cool. but this case is about this one shooting.
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He would be VERY smart to plead to 8 years at the last minute.
I CANNOT BELIEVE the defense lawyer thought 10/20/Life didn't apply. HE USED A GUN! IN FLORIDA!
WTF. Ignorant.
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you want to put society on trial, and that's cool. but this case is about this one shooting.
You can't honestly believe that. For you its not about race but for the majority of people it's purely about race.
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Prosecutor:
"LOL @ Rachel genteel isn't the most educated or sophisticated person around..............."
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You can't honestly believe that. For you its not about race but for the majority of people it's purely about race.
I'd LOVE to see any scientific polling showing this. I'm sure it's been done. It would back up the "There will be race riots!" belief that some people who watch cable news share.
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What a mockery of justice. Cant get you with the charge, so well just throw other charges at you until you get convicted of something. If he gets aquitted of murser 2 and the judge still throws the book at him, im going to lose all faith in our justice system.
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http://www.examiner.com/article/media-blackout-black-mob-hunted-white-victims-cincinnatti
>:(
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I'd LOVE to see any scientific polling showing this. I'm sure it's been done. It would back up the "There will be race riots!" belief that some people who watch cable news share.
Come on now. You can't be that naive. This whole thing has been marketed racially.
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"Oh, you won't convict on manslaughter either? How about assault? No? Battery? Uh... What about a noise violation for firing the handgun? Yeah! Let's go with that."
The fact that they were trying to charge child abuse shows how desperate they are for a conviction. What a joke our justice system is. Plays right into the lynch-mob mentality that accompanies so many of the sheeple.
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Come on now. You can't be that naive. This whole thing has been marketed racially.
CORRECT - by cable news who live on ratings $$$$$$$$$$$$
They talk dry florida self-defense statute and people turn off the TV.
They talk about racial tensions and how it's about to boil over and how profiling and blah blah - and people watch and debate.
OF COURSE it's been marketed racially - and everyone doing it is profiting from people getting upset and arguing and staying tuned in.
Fuck race - it's about gun rights, self defense, and impeding personal liberties and freedoms of other people.
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http://www.examiner.com/article/media-blackout-black-mob-hunted-white-victims-cincinnatti
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Hate crime?
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How long is this prosecutor going to ramble on and on and on?
I love his imagination though. Filling in those holes that the state couldn't.
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How long is this prosecutor going to ramble on and on and on?
I love his imagination though. Filling in those holes that the state couldn't.
well, when you hunt & murder a kid on a dark rainy night, there are going to be holes in what is seen and can be proven.
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well, when you hunt & murder a kid on a dark rainy night, there are going to be holes in what is seen and can be proven.
Hunt? Your language is loaded.
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well, when you hunt & murder a kid on a dark rainy night, there are going to be holes in what is seen and can be proven.
You are delusional. You must be his twin.
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well, when you hunt & murder a kid on a dark rainy night, there are going to be holes in what is seen and can be proven.
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Hunt? You're language is loaded.
It's 100% biased. But he formed his decision on this case nearly 2 years ago. Keep in mind that this tool does nothing but watch MSNBC all day.
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oh the child abuse thing is silly - but it's 3rd degree murder which we all know should be something the prosecution didn't prove.
prosecutor #2 showing us a wealth of lies that zimmerman made - if you EVER believed 100% of what zimmerman said, you should turn on your TV right now, watch and punch yourself in the head dozens of times. Obvious contradictions in his speech, where he changes statements mid-sentence, obvious lies, one by one.
Seriously, if you still believe zimmerman is honest, punch yourself a few times. Maybe you don't think he committed any crime. But at the very least, he lied to police.
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It's 100% biased. But he formed his decision on this case nearly 2 years ago. Keep in mind that this tool does nothing but watch MSNBC all day.
i listen to rush and hannity. levin when i can. also i love beck. at least a few times a week. FOX news is okay but it's so 6th grade mentality. Not too much msnbc anymore.
ZImmerman told a shitload of lies, and right now, we are seeing them one by one in his own words.
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well, when you hunt & murder a kid on a dark rainy night, there are going to be holes in what is seen and can be proven.
What did the prosecution prove? Nothing. Why is this case even in court?
Zimm will be found guilty of something, but it won't be because the prosecution proved anything. And that should concern everyone because it shows a clear problem with the legal system.
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What did the prosecution prove? Nothing. Why is this case even in court?
Zimm will be found guilty of something, but it won't be because the prosecution proved anything. And that should concern everyone because it shows a clear problem with the legal system.
zimmerman lied a lot in this video they're showing now. I mean, obstruction, at the very least?
and dario73, surely you know that juries do this ALL OF THE TIME. They'll see a person as dumb, dangerous, or having gotten away with a previous crime and will throw the book at them, regardless of the law. it's an imperfect system, and jurors often try to punish people, and often don't understand the law and just want to do what's right.
I think since 5/6 of the jurors are mothers - they'll say they know zimm is a liar, they know he'll be armed and back on the street tomorrow, and they don't want their babies out there with this kind of liar running around yards with a 9mm. They'll say "whatever this mess of a case may be, I dont want this guy back out there tomorrow shooting people again"
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zimmerman lied a lot in this video they're showing now. I mean, obstruction, at the very least?
and dario73, surely you know that juries do this ALL OF THE TIME. They'll see a person as dumb, dangerous, or having gotten away with a previous crime and will throw the book at them, regardless of the law. it's an imperfect system, and jurors often try to punish people, and often don't understand the law and just want to do what's right.
The investigator who interviewed him that night and every single police authority that came in contact with him have stated that those "lies" don't have any bearing on the findings of this case. Those "lies" are of minute details that in no way contradict his claim of self defense.
I have seen juries do that but it's still wrong. The legal system is broken.
Anyway, looks like he will get manslaughter. Nice fishing expedition.
Failure by the prosecution will be rewarded. Only in America.
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Not impressed at all with the prosecution's closing argument. They actually helped make the case for reasonable doubt by posing so many unanswered questions.
Not sure how the jury felt, but I found his constant yelling to be pretty irritating.
I hope West doesn't do closing for Zimmerman. He should not say another word until the verdict is in.
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Pretty desperate move by the prosecution. Glad the judge did the right thing.
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I think Zimm should have taken the stand
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I think Zimm should have taken the stand
Why? He told his story through video, audio, and a reinactment of the event at the scene.
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Why? He told his story through video, audio, and a reinactment of the event at the scene.
Because if Im sitting in the jury box - im saying to myself "if he is so consistent to everyone else - why can he talk to me and tell me directly his story what happened than night. If he is so consistent - why should he fear cross examination?"
Just what I would be thinking internally.
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Because if Im sitting in the jury box - im saying to myself "if he is so consistent to everyone else - why can he talk to me and tell me directly his story what happened than night. If he is so consistent - why should he fear cross examination?"
Just what I would be thinking internally.
Understood. That probably happens in most cases where the defendant doesn't testify. If I was on the jury I'd want to hear from the defendant too.
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Because if Im sitting in the jury box - im saying to myself "if he is so consistent to everyone else - why can he talk to me and tell me directly his story what happened than night. If he is so consistent - why should he fear cross examination?"
Just what I would be thinking internally.
Prosecutor would have destroyed him on the stand....guilty or innocent. That's what they are trained to do....would have been a complete nightmare
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The investigator who interviewed him that night and every single police authority that came in contact with him have stated that those "lies" don't have any bearing on the findings of this case. Those "lies" are of minute details that in no way contradict his claim of self defense.
WHAT? WAHAT???????????????????????
"Minor details"?
the fvkc are you smoking? lol!
"you're going to die tonight" is a minor detail?
Smothering his face and nose is a minor detail?
Dude, the lies were about the things which would have made this shoot LEGAL?
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Bring back Larry King.
Piers Morgan Called 'Too Lazy, Too Irresponsible' to Get Facts Right in Zimmerman Case
By Randy Hall | July 11, 2013
CNN anchor Piers Morgan is diverting some of his attention away from his perpetual anti-gun crusade to render his verdict on the trial in which Hispanic George Zimmerman is accused of murdering black teenager Trayvon Martin.
While he says he knows “what a lot of people think,” Morgan has been sharply criticized by the left-leaning Bob Somerby of the Daily Howler, who claims that the liberal British host is “too lazy, too irresponsible to get even his basic facts right.”
On Monday night's edition of Piers Morgan Live, the host stated that “at the end, the idea there is no punishment for the fact that that expense of actions” led to Zimmerman “shooting an unarmed teenager dead seems to me pretty ridiculous.”
Morgan described the “public opinion” on the case by stating that “in the end, an unarmed 17-year-old teenager has been killed. And the idea that the person that did that is able just to walk free, an innocent man guilty of nothing, doesn't seem right.”
As Somerby noted, while Morgan's statement is not “factually false,” it's a “highly selective” view of what happened the night of Feb. 26, 2012.
In the world Morgan describes, there could be no claim of self-defense, no matter what the teenager in question did. Nothing that unarmed teenager did could lead to the finding that the shooting was justified.
Later in his program, Morgan again played fast and loose with the facts:
George Zimmerman ignored advice, got out of his vehicle, said, you know, “f-ing punks, A-holes getting away with it,” marched away, we don't know what happened next.
Apparently, it seems Morgan still believes that Zimmerman was told not to get out of his car. By all accounts, the exchange in question came later. he was already out of his car, following Martin on foot.
Morgan returned to the same subject on Tuesday night's edition of his program:
Here's the point really, is that you can have all this evidence that says, “Look, it looks like Trayvon Martin was on top, et cetera, et cetera.”
But in the end, is it right, do you think -- and I asked this question last night -- that George Zimmerman should be acquitted, allowed to walk free, given that we now know he shot an unarmed teenager? Because that's what it comes down to.
Actually, that's not what this case comes down to. It will be decided on “all this evidence” presented to six female jurors and whether or not they believe Zimmerman is guilty of a crime beyond a reasonable doubt, regardless of what the liberal CNN host thinks or says.
Meanwhile, the Daily Howler also criticized Morgan's Tuesday appearance as a “disaster.”
Put aside the journalistic laziness, the moral squalor, when a person in Morgan’s position persists in misstating such facts. Morgan’s account completely omits a wide range of other facts, claims and evidence.
After stating that Morgan “has one of the emptiest heads on TV,” Somerby stated that the coverage of the Zimmerman trial nevertheless provides a unique opportunity to examine the process by which information is disseminated to the American public:
As the Zimmerman trial proceeds, the corrupted nature of cable news gives us the chance, every night, to see this gruesome process unfold. It’s impossible to conduct a discourse if different groups insist on the right to reinvent the world their own way. Just look around: As corporate cable “news” explodes, that’s the world you live in.
As NewsBusters reported soon after the tragic event, MSNBC aired a deceptively edited clip intended to portray Zimmerman as a racist for calling Trayvon Martin “black” when the entire segment showed that he was actually answering a question from the 911 dispatcher asking if the teenager was “white, black, or Hispanic.”
On Tuesday, hip-hop mogul stated: “Whether George Zimmerman is found innocent or guilty by the jury, I am firm believer that all of us live by karmic law, and he will ultimately be punished for the death of Trayvon, no matter what."
Also on Tuesday, Zimmerman's attorney made a similar statement that his client will never be safe if he's acquitted, a verdict ABC's Dan Abrams predicted would be the result of the trial.
Once again, it seems that having his own weeknight cable news program has made Piers Morgan think he can say or predict anything he wishes, even though his meager ratings prevent him from having much impact on the television audience.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/randy-hall/2013/07/11/piers-morgan-called-too-lazy-too-irresponsible-get-facts-right-zimmerman#ixzz2Ymy82gzD
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'Crackers,' a 'teenage mammy' -- the sorry truth about race and Zimmerman trial
By Juan Williams
Published July 11, 2013
FoxNews.com
George Zimmerman listens to his defense counsel Mark O'Mara, left, and Don West, center during his trial in Sanford, Fla. July 10, 2013.
"White Hispanics," "Creepy-Ass Crackers," "Teenage Mammies," and "Suspicious A--holes who always get away" -- that is the vernacular of the George Zimmerman trial.
George Zimmerman faces life in jail as a jury considers second-degree murder charges against him for killing 17-year-old Trayvon Martin. But thanks to the media he is already sentenced to life in the American public's mind as a racist.
NBC edited a tape of Zimmerman’s call to police as he was following Martin to make him appear to be focused on Martin’s race.
The New York Times has referred to him in unique racial terms as a “white Hispanic." The terminology was necessary to have the story fit into a well-worn news narrative throughout American history from the Scottsboro Boys to Emmett Till to Rodney King – the black victim of white racism. Hispanic people can be as racist as black or white people in a country with a deep history of racism. But, apparently for the Times, Zimmerman's whiteness was important. It fit their good versus evil tale of a white racist killing an innocent black man.
The media is clearly guilty of playing on the most primitive racial divisions in our society to fuel racial animosity and boost ratings.
In June, before the trial started, a CNN poll asked Americans if they believed the murder charges against Zimmerman were true or false. Without any courtroom testimony or evidence, but based on the racially charged media coverage, 62 percent of Americans said the charges were “probably true” or “definitely true.”
My bet is that poll would have different results today. The trial has failed to prove Zimmerman acted with a “depraved mind” – as required for a second-degree murder conviction – or even with a racist mind. He certainly killed Martin. And the jury may decide he is guilty of second-degree murder or manslaughter. But what we heard in the courtroom fits with an FBI report that found race was not a factor in Martin’s shooting death.
The strong public judgment of Zimmerman’s guilt in the poll reflected a racially weighted media telling of the story. Photos of a bloodied Zimmerman after the incident, Zimmerman’s claim of self-defense and the police decision not to charge Zimmerman all got a dismissive glance from the press and contributed to public assumptions about Zimmerman before the trial.
Liberal and conservative news TV and radio have played to the racial theme, too. The left, notably Rev. Al Sharpton, have made the case a crusade for racial justice. The right-wing media, especially talk radio, has responded by making Zimmerman a hero. In fact, Zimmerman’s lawyer, Mark O’Mara, created an online site that attracted more than $145,000 from people who somehow made Zimmerman into their champion, possibly their great white hero.
The national focus on race in this case hit a high point when Rachel Jeantel, a 19-year-old student, testified that she spoke with Martin just before he was killed. Jeantel, Martin’s friend, told the court that Martin complained that a “man was just watching him.” And Martin described this man, Jeantel said, as a “creepy, white, excuse my language, cracker --- creepy-ass cracker.”
Jeantel’s testimony set off a stupid debate, requiring total ignorance of slavery and legal segregation, about the equivalence of blacks using “cracker” to describe whites, versus whites using the word “black” to describe blacks.
And Jeantel’s physical appearance, as a dark, heavyset young woman, speaking with a Southern dialect as she gave the lawyers a lot of attitude with her curt answers, contributed to the racial view of the case.
She became the “teenage mammy,” in the words of a sociology professor quoted in the New York Times, caricatured for “not being smart and using these racial slurs and not being the best witness.”
And now the media, especially some conservative talk radio outlets, are fixated on the possibility of race riots if Zimmerman is acquitted. Meanwhile, Twitter and other social media sites are full of threats from angry black people to kill Zimmerman if he is not held accountable by a jury for killing Martin.
Martin, the 17-year-old, is dead. But he has not escaped the racial slander attached to this case. Zimmerman’s backers note that Martin had smoked marijuana – as if that is unusual among American teenagers. They seem delighted to find online messages in which he took on a rapper, street-thug persona and posed as a tough guy.
These are all caricatures of two real people caught in a tragedy.
Zimmerman should have listened to the 911 emergency dispatch operator who told him to stop following Martin.
Why did he have a gun if he was simply part of a neighborhood watch program?
He had no basis to suspect Martin of any crime. So why does he describe Martin as “suspicious” to police?
Why does he apparently lump Martin with people he describes as “these a--holes, they always get away.”
Why didn’t Martin just walk away from Zimmerman?
But Martin is dead. He can’t speak for himself and get beyond the box of racial stereotypes the media built for him.
Zimmerman is alive. He has chosen not to speak at his trial, and although the prosecution played an interview he did with Fox News' Sean Hannity, it is still no match for skipping an ideal chance to tell his story when everyone is listening in the courtroom and on television.
Now, no matter what the verdict, he is going to carry his box of racial stereotypes around until his death. His identity will always be as a want-to-be cop who trailed a black kid who was not doing anything wrong, got in a fight with him, pulled out a gun and killed him.
Ultimately, it is the job of the media to give straight, objective coverage of any story.
Whatever the final verdict on Zimmerman, the media is clearly guilty of playing on the most primitive racial divisions in our society to fuel racial animosity and boost ratings.
There are no winners here.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/07/11/white-hispanics-crackers-teenage-mammies-no-winners-in-martin-zimmerman-case/#ixzz2Yn0hvepR
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LOL @ Juan Williams of Fox News trying to blame the media for "playing on the most primitive racial divisions in our society to fuel racial animosity and boost ratings"
Fox New would never do such a thing and certainly Juan Williams who has admitted that he gets nervous when he sees people on a plane with clothing that identifies them as Muslim, would never do such a thing
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LOL @ Juan Williams of Fox News trying to blame the media for "playing on the most primitive racial divisions in our society to fuel racial animosity and boost ratings"
Fox New would never do such a thing and certainly Juan Williams who has admitted that he gets nervous when he sees people on a plane with clothing that identifies them as Muslim, would never do such a thing
lets be fair here, muslims aren't people.
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Q. How many George Zimmermans does it take to change a light bulb?
A. None. "Sir, we don't need you to do that."
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Reporter's Notebook: At the Zimmerman trial
By Serafin Gómez
Published July 11, 2013
FoxNews.com
Who are the jurors who will decide the fate of George Zimmerman?
They are all women and identified by number rather than name. Five of the six are mothers and five are white.
Here are brief profiles:
B29: She’s in her 30s and married 10 years, with teenage children and a younger child – eight children in all. A self-described churchgoer, she’s from Chicago and works in a dementia/Alzheimer’s facility as a nurse.
She was arrested before in Chicago and was treated fairly, she said. No details of the arrest were released.
This juror moved to Florida three months ago and said she watches Bravo and reality shows but not the news.
She has glanced at Trayvon Martin’s family on several occasions during the trial and looked sad and somber when images of the teen’s body were first shown.
A black/Hispanic, she is the only minority member of the panel.
She usually wears a white shawl or knitted wrap because of the cold temperatures in the courtroom.
B76: She’s in her late 50s or 60s and said she has an "open mind" about the case.
She has been married 30 years and has lived in Seminole County since 1995.
She manages rental properties and said she does not have cable so she watches only local television news.
She has a 28-year-old son, who is a lawyer, and a 26-year-old daughter, a nurse.
This juror also said she rescues animals, describing it as her “passion in life.”
She frequently drinks from a water bottle and is attentive but does not take as many notes as other jurors.
B37: A woman in her 50s who has lived in Seminole County for eight years. She has been married for almost 20 years and her husband is a "space attorney," who worked with the Shuttle company United Space Alliance. She has two daughters, one a dog groomer, the other a student at the University of Central Florida.
She used to have a concealed weapon permit but let it expire. Her husband has one and owns a gun.
She said she watches NBC local television and “Today.” She volunteers for animal rescue groups.
B51: In her late 60s, retired and unmarried with no children. She has lived in Seminole County for nine years.
She has had several careers, including director of a call center in Brevard County for 10 years. Most recently, she was in real estate.
She said she does not watch much television and spends most of her time driving back and forth to Jacksonville to visit elderly parents.
She favors business suits.
E6: In her 30s, she also wears business suits. The married mother of an 11-year-old and a 13-year-old, she formerly worked in financial services. Her husband is an engineer.
She said she told her children "don’t walk around at night" after Martin was killed.
She describes herself as a news watcher and churchgoer who stays at home to take care of her children and dogs. She also enjoys gardening.
She was arrested previously and said she was treated fairly. Again, no details were available.
By far, she has been the most fervent and frequent note taker on the jury. She rarely looks up from her notes unless an image or physical demonstration is being presented.
E6 led the charge when Prosecutor John Guy and Zimmerman lawyer Mark O'Mara used a mannequin to demonstrate what might have happened. She stood to get a better view, then the entire back row stood up following her lead.
E40: In her late 50s or early 60s, she is a safety officer and married to a chemical engineer. She has a 28-year-old son who is unemployed.
She moved to Seminole County from Iowa seven months ago.
She said she learned about case from NBC national news. She gets a Sunday newspaper, enjoys football and likes to travel and read.
She said she "didn't have time" to follow the Zimmerman case and was "too busy" at work.
She takes a lot of notes and always looks attentively at witnesses, lawyers and the judge.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/07/11/reporter-notebook-at-zimmerman-trial/#ixzz2YniDmr8V
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My analysis of the Jurors.....
"This juror moved to Florida three months ago and said she watches Bravo and reality shows but not the news."
Sounds about right. Sounds like a juror that will rule using emotion, and not the rule of law. Bravo over news? sheesh
She said she learned about case from NBC national news.
Keith olbermann approved, good to see the lib demographic covered
She said she told her children "don’t walk around at night" after Martin was killed.
As I predicted, jurors may want to convict just to keep these streets safe - they have to live here with zimmerman after this.
She volunteers for animal rescue groups.
Zimmerman turned dog walking paths into backstops, which hurt, BUT she will probably be the one holdout thanks to having a permit (expired)
She has had several careers, including director of a call center in Brevard County for 10 years. Most recently, she was in real estate.
Erratic - she'll try to exert some control over something in her life by locking up that sumbitch.
She has glanced at Trayvon Martin’s family on several occasions during the trial and looked sad and somber when images of the teen’s body were first shown.
That pic of a dead 159 pound child will be the solace she needs to punish zimmerman despite not really breaking any laws, per se.
Shocking that there is no Juror #7 to represent getbig.... very odd that we see such a jury so friendly to the State.
Enjoys lifting weights and training with guns and MMA, this NYC attorney enjoys listening to Slayer and offering criticisms of the Obama administration.
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My analysis of the Jurors.....
"This juror moved to Florida three months ago and said she watches Bravo and reality shows but not the news."
Sounds about right. Sounds like a juror that will rule using emotion, and not the rule of law. Bravo over news? sheesh
She said she learned about case from NBC national news.
Keith olbermann approved, good to see the lib demographic covered
She said she told her children "don’t walk around at night" after Martin was killed.
As I predicted, jurors may want to convict just to keep these streets safe - they have to live here with zimmerman after this.
She volunteers for animal rescue groups.
Zimmerman turned dog walking paths into backstops, which hurt, BUT she will probably be the one holdout thanks to having a permit (expired)
She has had several careers, including director of a call center in Brevard County for 10 years. Most recently, she was in real estate.
Erratic - she'll try to exert some control over something in her life by locking up that sumbitch.
She has glanced at Trayvon Martin’s family on several occasions during the trial and looked sad and somber when images of the teen’s body were first shown.
That pic of a dead 159 pound child will be the solace she needs to punish zimmerman despite not really breaking any laws, per se.
Shocking that there is no Juror #7 to represent getbig.... very odd that we see such a jury so friendly to the State.
Enjoys lifting weights and training with guns and MMA, this NYC attorney enjoys listening to Slayer and offering criticisms of the Obama administration.
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WHAT? WAHAT???????????????????????
"Minor details"?
the fvkc are you smoking? lol!
"you're going to die tonight" is a minor detail?
Smothering his face and nose is a minor detail?
Dude, the lies were about the things which would have made this shoot LEGAL?
LOL!!!
Did I touch a nerve? You are really into it, as if Trayvon was your own family member.
I am probably smoking the same stuff you smoked last year when you had your mind made up the Zimm was guilty of murder eventhough you didn't know jack squat about the case.
Lead investigator and every police authority, who were much more involved in the case than YOU, ALL TESTIFIED that none of those comments by Zimm, which YOU call lies, IN NO WAY mean that Zimm's claim of self defense is untrue or baseless.
They testified to that. The jury heard them. Live with it.
Relax, Zimm might still be found guilty of manslaughter. One way or another, unjust prosecution will be rewarded.
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i live in a gated community in FLorida - guys like zimmerman terrify the shit out of me. Maybe i'm out walking for cardio and some truck pulls up, U-turns, cruises up next to me, and some guy is eyeball fucking me. Given the advantage he has under FL law with the truck, I decide to jog two blocks. SUDDENLY, a guy 50 pounds bigger than me wearing a fanny pack and Tapout shirt jumps outta truck and starts sprinting at me with his hand on fanny. Oh shit. I dunno who I pissed off, but Chuck Lidell with a hand cannon will be on top of me in about 30 seconds at the pace he's on, and I don't see a badge. I lie down prone on ground and draw my weapon as the killing machine is only seconds away, fumbling with his fanny pack as suddenly he think I am the threat - lol I ran to get away from his ass!
Now we're in a situation where 2 permit holders are about to throw down because FL law is ambigious and because this guy is way over-zealous.
today's defense closing argument is brought to you by the Unisom/Hubris stack.
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You should go into fiction writing
i live in a gated community in FLorida - guys like zimmerman terrify the shit out of me. Maybe i'm out walking for cardio and some truck pulls up, U-turns, cruises up next to me, and some guy is eyeball fucking me. Given the advantage he has under FL law with the truck, I decide to jog two blocks. SUDDENLY, a guy 50 pounds bigger than me wearing a fanny pack and Tapout shirt jumps outta truck and starts sprinting at me with his hand on fanny. Oh shit. I dunno who I pissed off, but Chuck Lidell with a hand cannon will be on top of me in about 30 seconds at the pace he's on, and I don't see a badge. I lie down prone on ground and draw my weapon as the killing machine is only seconds away, fumbling with his fanny pack as suddenly he think I am the threat - lol I ran to get away from his ass!
Now we're in a situation where 2 permit holders are about to throw down because FL law is ambigious and because this guy is way over-zealous.
today's defense closing argument is brought to you by the Unisom/Hubris stack.
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i live in a gated community in FLorida - guys like zimmerman terrify the shit out of me. Maybe i'm out walking for cardio and some truck pulls up, U-turns, cruises up next to me, and some guy is eyeball fucking me. Given the advantage he has under FL law with the truck, I decide to jog two blocks. SUDDENLY, a guy 50 pounds bigger than me wearing a fanny pack and Tapout shirt jumps outta truck and starts sprinting at me with his hand on fanny. Oh shit. I dunno who I pissed off, but Chuck Lidell with a hand cannon will be on top of me in about 30 seconds at the pace he's on, and I don't see a badge. I lie down prone on ground and draw my weapon as the killing machine is only seconds away, fumbling with his fanny pack as suddenly he think I am the threat - lol I ran to get away from his ass!
Now we're in a situation where 2 permit holders are about to throw down because FL law is ambigious and because this guy is way over-zealous.
today's defense closing argument is brought to you by the Unisom/Hubris stack.
It's posts like these that make me believe you're trolling.
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You should go into fiction writing
yeah, crazier things have happened. baby born in kenya becomes president of the USA. I'd be laughed out of a publishing company for shit like that.
this dickhead is going to be back on the streets with a big ass 9mm in a few days. Walking in darkness because "it's his right". Packing a huge gun because "it's his right". Chasing teenagers because "I don't like their look". Wasting 911 operator's time because he's just a busybody.
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yeah, crazier things have happened. baby born in kenya becomes president of the USA. I'd be laughed out of a publishing company for shit like that.
Haha
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yeah, crazier things have happened. baby born in kenya becomes president of the USA. I'd be laughed out of a publishing company for shit like that.
this dickhead is going to be back on the streets with a big ass 9mm in a few days. Walking in darkness because "it's his right". Packing a huge gun because "it's his right". Chasing teenagers because "I don't like their look". Wasting 911 operator's time because he's just a busybody.
you are on a roll today bro. ha ha ha ha
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University offers (George Mason) course on Trayvon Martin, misspells his name
Campus Reform ^ | By Timothy Dionisopoulos, on Jul 10, 2013
Posted on Friday, July 12, 2013 10:18:21 AM
George Mason University (GMU) is set to offer a three-credit course on Florida youth Trayvon Martin this fall but in the online description of the course misspelled his name as “Trevon Martin."
(Excerpt) Read more at campusreform.org ...
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lets be fair here, muslims aren't people.
+1 Agreeing.
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University offers (George Mason) course on Trayvon Martin, misspells his name
Campus Reform ^ | By Timothy Dionisopoulos, on Jul 10, 2013
Posted on Friday, July 12, 2013 10:18:21 AM
George Mason University (GMU) is set to offer a three-credit course on Florida youth Trayvon Martin this fall but in the online description of the course misspelled his name as “Trevon Martin."
(Excerpt) Read more at campusreform.org ...
Mayve he will be honored with a posthumous nobel peace prize.
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Mayve he will be honored with a posthumous nobel peace prize.
More deserving than Obama for sure!
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Aside from the overwhelming evidence of self-defense, the most important thing I heard during closing argument was the four minutes of silence, which was the period of time between Martin running and the beat down. Martin was a "football throw" away from his father's house when he started running. Pretty obvious he didn't run home, but circled back around to confront Zimmerman.
I'll probably be on a plane when the verdict comes in. Glad I'm going to miss the fallout. And I still have no idea what the jury will decide.
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More deserving than Obama for sure!
And the circle is complete. ;D
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the four minutes of silence, which was the period of time between Martin running and the beat down.
who lotta time for which zimmerman cannot account for his whereabouts.
doesnt take 4 minutes to walk his happy ass back to the truck, as he claimed he was doing.
Fallout = laughable. it'll be a few dozen idiots throwing bows for the camera, signs and angry yells, some online noise, and that's it. The merchants of fear that screamed about race riots so far? embarrassing.
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Aside from the overwhelming evidence of self-defense, the most important thing I heard during closing argument was the four minutes of silence, which was the period of time between Martin running and the beat down. Martin was a "football throw" away from his father's house when he started running. Pretty obvious he didn't run home, but circled back around to confront Zimmerman.
I'll probably be on a plane when the verdict comes in. Glad I'm going to miss the fallout. And I still have no idea what the jury will decide.
LOL @ "overwhelming"
were you expecting a lot of fall out over there in Hawaii ?
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i live in a gated community in FLorida - guys like zimmerman terrify the shit out of me. Maybe i'm out walking for cardio and some truck pulls up, U-turns, cruises up next to me, and some guy is eyeball fucking me. Given the advantage he has under FL law with the truck, I decide to jog two blocks. SUDDENLY, a guy 50 pounds bigger than me wearing a fanny pack and Tapout shirt jumps outta truck and starts sprinting at me with his hand on fanny. Oh shit. I dunno who I pissed off, but Chuck Lidell with a hand cannon will be on top of me in about 30 seconds at the pace he's on, and I don't see a badge. I lie down prone on ground and draw my weapon as the killing machine is only seconds away, fumbling with his fanny pack as suddenly he think I am the threat - lol I ran to get away from his ass!
Now we're in a situation where 2 permit holders are about to throw down because FL law is ambigious and because this guy is way over-zealous.
today's defense closing argument is brought to you by the Unisom/Hubris stack.
the barbed wire chain link around your trailer park doesnt count as a gated community there hoss
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the barbed wire chain link around your trailer park doesnt count as a gated community there hoss
i'm movin on up
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i'm movin on up
razor barb wire????
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Aside from the overwhelming evidence of self-defense, the most important thing I heard during closing argument was the four minutes of silence, which was the period of time between Martin running and the beat down. Martin was a "football throw" away from his father's house when he started running. Pretty obvious he didn't run home, but circled back around to confront Zimmerman.
I'll probably be on a plane when the verdict comes in. Glad I'm going to miss the fallout. And I still have no idea what the jury will decide.
And you talk about me speculating....... ::)
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i live in a gated community in FLorida - guys like zimmerman terrify the shit out of me. Maybe i'm out walking for cardio and some truck pulls up, U-turns, cruises up next to me, and some guy is eyeball fucking me. Given the advantage he has under FL law with the truck, I decide to jog two blocks. SUDDENLY, a guy 50 pounds bigger than me wearing a fanny pack and Tapout shirt jumps outta truck and starts sprinting at me with his hand on fanny. Oh shit. I dunno who I pissed off, but Chuck Lidell with a hand cannon will be on top of me in about 30 seconds at the pace he's on, and I don't see a badge. I lie down prone on ground and draw my weapon as the killing machine is only seconds away, fumbling with his fanny pack as suddenly he think I am the threat - lol I ran to get away from his ass!
Now we're in a situation where 2 permit holders are about to throw down because FL law is ambigious and because this guy is way over-zealous.
today's defense closing argument is brought to you by the Unisom/Hubris stack.
You've admitted that you and an armed gang of vigilantes used to stalk strangers in your neighborhood. You were doing exactly what Zimmerman did, you fucking hypocrite. Only difference is that you never got to use your gun despite your clear desire to do just that.
And don't even try to say otherwise. No one patrols their neighborhood in an armed group unless they're looking to start shit. Scumbag.
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You've admitted that you and an armed gang of vigilantes used to stalk strangers in your neighborhood. You were doing exactly what Zimmerman did, you fucking hypocrite. Only difference is that you never got to use your gun despite your clear desire to do just that.
And don't even try to say otherwise. No one patrols their neighborhood in an armed group unless they're looking to start shit. Scumbag.
so you agree that Zimmerman was stalking Martin and acting like a vigilante
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so you agree that Zimmerman was stalking Martin and acting like a vigilante
pretty sure no one disputed that he was following the kid nor that he was a wannabe cop. That in no way makes him guilty.
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pretty sure no one disputed that he was following the kid nor that he was a wannabe cop. That in no way makes him guilty.
Exactly. StrawAnus and Douche40 can't comprehend that. If 240 was doing nothing wrong following people around his neighborhood while armed then how are Zimmerman's actions any different. Just shows how hypocritical he is.
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pretty sure no one disputed that he was following the kid nor that he was a wannabe cop. That in no way makes him guilty.
when did I ever say that either of those things alone make him guilty
I think he started the altercation and Martin was either defending himself or trying to get away
I don't think deadly force was in any way justified
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Exactly. StrawAnus and Douche40 can't comprehend that. If 240 was doing nothing wrong following people around his neighborhood while armed then how are Zimmerman's actions any different. Just shows how hypocritical he is.
Hey Fairy - how many unarmed people committing no crimes did 240 shoot to death?
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when did I ever say that either of those things alone make him guilty
I think he started the altercation and Martin was either defending himself or trying to get away
I don't think deadly force was in any way justified
Well I guess its a good thing for Zimmerman that there is pretty much zero evidence to support your suppositions.
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Well I guess its a good thing for Zimmerman that there is pretty much zero evidence to support your suppositions.
there is testimony from Rachel Jenteal which support the claim of Zimmerman as the aggressor
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there is testimony from Rachel Jenteal which support the claim of Zimmerman as the aggressor
Lol, yes, because the testimony of a woman who wasnt even there (not to mention who had already lied under oath during the same testimony) is such solid, irrefutable evidence, and totally proves that zimmerman was in fact the aggressor. She has no more credibility than zimmerman himself.
Derrrrrp.
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Lol, yes, because the testimony of a woman who wasnt even there (not to mention who had already lied under oath during the same testimony) is such solid, irrefutable evidence, and totally proves that zimmerman was in fact the aggressor. She has no more credibility than zimmerman himself.
Derrrrrp.
so it's her word against his and she has no skin in the game unlike Zimmerman
did she say the content of the letter were not her words?
did the judge tell the jury to ignore her statement ?
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so it's her word against his and she has no skin in the game unlike Zimmerman
did she say the content of the letter were not her words?
did the judge tell the jury to ignore her statement ?
Wow.
even if you completely ignore the fact that she lied om the stand (not even counting the other lies she came out with off the stand)
a.she wasnt there
b.she has a reason to lie as well. Maybe not as much as zimmerman, but the word of a gf that wasnt even present is not substantial evidence.
Why do you try and discredit Zimmerman for being a known lier but are totally trying to make Jabbas testimony credible when she is just as much of a proven liar?? I mean, make up your mind bro.
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Wow.
even if you completely ignore the fact that she lied om the stand (not even counting the other lies she came out with off the stand)
a.she wasnt there
b.she has a reason to lie as well. Maybe not as much as zimmerman, but the word of a gf that wasnt even present is not substantial evidence.
Why do you try and discredit Zimmerman for being a known lier but are totally trying to make Jabbas testimony credible when she is just as much of a proven liar?? I mean, make up your mind bro.
she was on the phone with him during the time that Zimmerman was following Martin and at the time the altercation started
I've looked at her lies and her motivation for both and they are inconsequential
If the letter was not her words then that would be a completely different story. If she dictated a letter to a friend than that's her letter even if she didn't personally write it. I'm not ignoring the rest of her testimony and I doubt the jury is either
Zimmerman lied about material facts and I don't consider a lie about why she didn't attend Martins wake to be a material fact. If in fact the content of the letter are not her words then I would consider that a material fact as well. Her little lies were to avoid shame/embarrassment and not to be deceptive about material facts IMO
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George Zimmerman trial: Jurors look for 'clarification' on manslaughter jury instruction
http://touch.sun-sentinel.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-76656846/
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she was on the phone with him during the time that Zimmerman was following Martin and at the time the altercation started
I've looked at her lies and her motivation for both and they are inconsequential
If the letter was not her words then that would be a completely different story. If she dictated a letter to a friend than that's her letter even if she didn't personally write it. I'm not ignoring the rest of her testimony and I doubt the jury is either
Zimmerman lied about material facts and I don't consider a lie about why she didn't attend Martins wake to be a material fact. If in fact the content of the letter are not her words then I would consider that a material fact as well. Her little lies were to avoid shame/embarrassment and not to be deceptive about material facts IMO
the lead detective didnt think they were consequential....
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she was on the phone with him during the time that Zimmerman was following Martin and at the time the altercation started
I've looked at her lies and her motivation for both and they are inconsequential
If the letter was not her words then that would be a completely different story. If she dictated a letter to a friend than that's her letter even if she didn't personally write it. I'm not ignoring the rest of her testimony and I doubt the jury is either
Zimmerman lied about material facts and I don't consider a lie about why she didn't attend Martins wake to be a material fact. If in fact the content of the letter are not her words then I would consider that a material fact as well. Her little lies were to avoid shame/embarrassment and not to be deceptive about material facts IMO
Translation -
if any evidence supports my predetermined conclusion, I ignore anything that may discredit it.
However, if any evidence contradicts my predetermined conclusion, I find any reason I can to discredit it.
Got it.
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So. Uh. Yeah.
I told you so.
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So. Uh. Yeah.
I told you so.
Me too ;D
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she was on the phone with him during the time that Zimmerman was following Martin and at the time the altercation started
I've looked at her lies and her motivation for both and they are inconsequential
If the letter was not her words then that would be a completely different story. If she dictated a letter to a friend than that's her letter even if she didn't personally write it. I'm not ignoring the rest of her testimony and I doubt the jury is either
Zimmerman lied about material facts and I don't consider a lie about why she didn't attend Martins wake to be a material fact. If in fact the content of the letter are not her words then I would consider that a material fact as well. Her little lies were to avoid shame/embarrassment and not to be deceptive about material facts IMO
jury didnt think they were consequential either
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jury didnt think they were consequential either
Haha, armchair lawyer StrawAnus wrong again? Color me surprised!
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zimm is going down,as he should
That crow must taste really good.
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Yeah, guess the jury really put a lot of stock in Jenteals testimony, what with her being so credible and telling the whole truth under oath and all.
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Yeah, guess the jury really put a lot of stock in Jenteals testimony, what with her being so credible and telling the whole truth under oath and all.
;D
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race hustler, ben grump speaking now
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Where is straight haired Al Sharpton?
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Does everyone who disagrees with the outcome just think the Jury was stupid?
Why the hell does everyone ignore that?
Oh... no justice. ::)
12 people went with the law.
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Does everyone who disagrees with the outcome just think the Jury was stupid?
Why the hell does everyone ignore that?
Oh... no justice. ::)
12 people went with the law.
This is the new cause celeb for libs
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:)
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:)
That poor, defenseless, completely unsuspicious looking little boy... :'(
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That poor, defenseless, completely unsuspicious looking little boy... :'(
Te racial lynch mob keeps painting ashtray as a little saint.
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Te racial lynch mob keeps painting ashtray as a little saint.
I guarantee 24KT would be the first one to call the police if she saw him sneaking around her house.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=480262.0;attach=525971;image)
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I guarantee 24KT would be the first one to call the police if she saw him sneaking around her house.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=480262.0;attach=525971;image)
She'd whack with her gold bar filled purse.
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She'd whack with her gold bar filled purse.
haha!!!
I was watching a liberal white lady that was streaming the Oakland march on ustream. She got her phone stolen by a young "Trayvon".
It was really funny, we got to see the entire thing live. mareejane on twitter. ;D
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haha!!!
I was watching a liberal white lady that was streaming the Oakland march on ustream. She got her phone stolen by a young "Trayvon".
It was really funny, we got to see the entire thing live. mareejane on twitter. ;D
"Buuuut I just wanted to give you a huuuuug!!!!"....as he runs away with her shit without the slightest bit of a fuck :D
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I guarantee 24KT would be the first one to call the police if she saw him sneaking around her house.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=480262.0;attach=525971;image)
I put my hoodie down when I walk into a building. It's a habbit and just common sense. Plus it's rude and looks stupid to leave your hood up in doors.
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The Ugly Truth About Trayvon Martin
The Daily Rant ^ | July 16, 2013 | Mychal Massie
Posted on 07/16/2013 6:29:31 PM PDT by robowombat
The Ugly Truth About Trayvon Martin
by Mychal Massie on July 16, 2013 in Daily Rant, Race & Politics
There is one reason and one reason alone that Trayvon Martin is dead today and that reason is he attacked a man with a licensed firearm who used it. It’s not pretty – it’s not pleasant – but it’s true.
George Zimmerman did not jump (read attack) Martin. Just the opposite. Martin attacked him. All else notwithstanding, Martin jumped Zimmerman for no defendable reason, and he paid the ultimate price for his ill-conceived decision.
George Zimmerman did not kill Martin because of the color of his skin, and it is a damnable lie to claim otherwise. George Zimmerman shot and killed Martin because Martin was attacking and beating him. The ugly truth is just that simple. To raise the specter of skin color and to clothe the event in vestiges of racialization and a zeitgeist of rampant racism is nothing more than an attempt to obfuscate that single, salient truth.
George Zimmerman was a member of his neighborhood watch. The function of a neighborhood watch is to watch and report suspicious and/or unlawful activities taking place in a particular neighborhood. It was dark, it was raining, and Martin appeared to be acting suspiciously. A neighborhood watch volunteer following for purposes of observation and giving the police accurate information is not an assault on color. I submit it is inculcated denial to not recognize this.
The jury might have been prevented from hearing certain facts about Martin, but those of us in the public weren’t. Space doesn’t permit me to detail all in print as I will in on-air interviews, but suffice it to say the figurative exhumation of Martin in the image of Emmett Till is an affront to even the most ignorant of racialists and morally opprobrious in the truest definition, but it’s obviously not out of character for those eager to do same.
Emmett Till was the 14-year-old young man who was brutally murdered and mutilated specifically because of his skin color after he allegedly engaged flirtatiously with a 21-year-old white woman who owned a store in Money, Mississippi.
For Obama’s Attorney General Eric Holder to now announce the Department of Justice (DOJ) is opening an investigation to see if Martin’s civil rights were violated by George Zimmerman is cruel irony. Holder refused to have the DOJ investigate much less prosecute one of the most undeniably grievous incidents of civil rights violations since the end of Jim Crow. I’m speaking of the New Black Panthers voter intimidation in Philadelphia, PA in 2008.
I returned home to Florida Saturday after spending some three weeks on the road. About two hours after the jury in the George Zimmerman trial handed down the “not guilty” verdict, as I was exiting my local pharmacy, I overheard a man say, with a degree of sarcasm, to the man with him “They feel if we don’t care about killing ourselves why should they?”
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he man, who happened to be an American of color, was wrong. We (read Americans) do care that blacks are killing themselves in record numbers. It’s those they extol as so-called leaders who do not care. Holder isn’t having the DOJ look into the civil rights of the more than 200 people killed in Chicago so far this year. Jesse Jackson lives in Chicago, but he isn’t leading any marches or protests against the black-on-black murders there. And perhaps it’s out of respect for territory, but Al Sharpton isn’t leading any there either. Sarcasm intended.
A report released by the Bureau of Justice Statistics shows 8,000-9,000 blacks are murdered in the United States each year, and 93 percent of those murders are committed by other blacks.
How many of those families have Obama, Holder, Jackson, Sharpton, or the same media trollops who are fanning the flames of “It’s because Martin was black,” spoken out regarding those ugly statistics?
Those who emphasize that Martin was unarmed should be asked “what if he had been?” If Martin was violent enough to attack and beat George Zimmerman when Martin didn’t have a weapon – what would he have done were he to have had one?
No parents should outlive their children. To do so creates a vacuum of inconsolable loss. And certainly the Martin family is suffering from the loss of their son. But specific to that point, it is a transpicuous and vulgar display of race-mongering by mobocrats who use race as currency to validate their own existence.
Like it or not, agree or not, Martin made a decision to behave like a common street thug and gangsta when he attacked George Zimmerman. That decision speaks volumes about his character, (or lack thereof). There is an attempt to portray Martin as worthy of deification, but I submit that he chose to attack another person for what amounts to no reason at all and that speaks volumes pursuant to his real character.
How many reading this have children who would physically attack someone for the reasons Martin did? I know, without hesitation, that my son wouldn’t. The ugly truth is that Martin was given to the violent mentality of thinking he could bully a white person, and it cost him his life.
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The Ugly Truth About Trayvon Martin
The Daily Rant ^ | July 16, 2013 | Mychal Massie
Posted on 07/16/2013 6:29:31 PM PDT by robowombat
The Ugly Truth About Trayvon Martin
by Mychal Massie on July 16, 2013 in Daily Rant, Race & Politics
There is one reason and one reason alone that Trayvon Martin is dead today and that reason is he attacked a man with a licensed firearm who used it. It’s not pretty – it’s not pleasant – but it’s true.
George Zimmerman did not jump (read attack) Martin. Just the opposite. Martin attacked him. All else notwithstanding, Martin jumped Zimmerman for no defendable reason, and he paid the ultimate price for his ill-conceived decision.
George Zimmerman did not kill Martin because of the color of his skin, and it is a damnable lie to claim otherwise. George Zimmerman shot and killed Martin because Martin was attacking and beating him. The ugly truth is just that simple. To raise the specter of skin color and to clothe the event in vestiges of racialization and a zeitgeist of rampant racism is nothing more than an attempt to obfuscate that single, salient truth.
George Zimmerman was a member of his neighborhood watch. The function of a neighborhood watch is to watch and report suspicious and/or unlawful activities taking place in a particular neighborhood. It was dark, it was raining, and Martin appeared to be acting suspiciously. A neighborhood watch volunteer following for purposes of observation and giving the police accurate information is not an assault on color. I submit it is inculcated denial to not recognize this.
The jury might have been prevented from hearing certain facts about Martin, but those of us in the public weren’t. Space doesn’t permit me to detail all in print as I will in on-air interviews, but suffice it to say the figurative exhumation of Martin in the image of Emmett Till is an affront to even the most ignorant of racialists and morally opprobrious in the truest definition, but it’s obviously not out of character for those eager to do same.
Emmett Till was the 14-year-old young man who was brutally murdered and mutilated specifically because of his skin color after he allegedly engaged flirtatiously with a 21-year-old white woman who owned a store in Money, Mississippi.
For Obama’s Attorney General Eric Holder to now announce the Department of Justice (DOJ) is opening an investigation to see if Martin’s civil rights were violated by George Zimmerman is cruel irony. Holder refused to have the DOJ investigate much less prosecute one of the most undeniably grievous incidents of civil rights violations since the end of Jim Crow. I’m speaking of the New Black Panthers voter intimidation in Philadelphia, PA in 2008.
I returned home to Florida Saturday after spending some three weeks on the road. About two hours after the jury in the George Zimmerman trial handed down the “not guilty” verdict, as I was exiting my local pharmacy, I overheard a man say, with a degree of sarcasm, to the man with him “They feel if we don’t care about killing ourselves why should they?”
T
he man, who happened to be an American of color, was wrong. We (read Americans) do care that blacks are killing themselves in record numbers. It’s those they extol as so-called leaders who do not care. Holder isn’t having the DOJ look into the civil rights of the more than 200 people killed in Chicago so far this year. Jesse Jackson lives in Chicago, but he isn’t leading any marches or protests against the black-on-black murders there. And perhaps it’s out of respect for territory, but Al Sharpton isn’t leading any there either. Sarcasm intended.
A report released by the Bureau of Justice Statistics shows 8,000-9,000 blacks are murdered in the United States each year, and 93 percent of those murders are committed by other blacks.
How many of those families have Obama, Holder, Jackson, Sharpton, or the same media trollops who are fanning the flames of “It’s because Martin was black,” spoken out regarding those ugly statistics?
Those who emphasize that Martin was unarmed should be asked “what if he had been?” If Martin was violent enough to attack and beat George Zimmerman when Martin didn’t have a weapon – what would he have done were he to have had one?
No parents should outlive their children. To do so creates a vacuum of inconsolable loss. And certainly the Martin family is suffering from the loss of their son. But specific to that point, it is a transpicuous and vulgar display of race-mongering by mobocrats who use race as currency to validate their own existence.
Like it or not, agree or not, Martin made a decision to behave like a common street thug and gangsta when he attacked George Zimmerman. That decision speaks volumes about his character, (or lack thereof). There is an attempt to portray Martin as worthy of deification, but I submit that he chose to attack another person for what amounts to no reason at all and that speaks volumes pursuant to his real character.
How many reading this have children who would physically attack someone for the reasons Martin did? I know, without hesitation, that my son wouldn’t. The ugly truth is that Martin was given to the violent mentality of thinking he could bully a white person, and it cost him his life.
Sounds like they need to get their own house in order.
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Was Treyvon at 7-11 Buying Skittles and Fruit Juice to Make a Drug? (What we've known all along)
Gateway Pundit ^ | July 17, 2013 | The News Commenter
Posted on Thursday, July 18, 2013 12:43:13 AM by 2ndDivisionVet
The media has focuses heavily on the fact that Treyvon purchased Skittles at 7-11 before his confrontation with Zimmerman, but they fail to mention he was also buying Arizona Fruit Juice, both of which are ingredients commonly used to create a home-made drug called “Sizzurp” or “Lean”. From this article on AmericanThinker.
Trayvon, with his hoodie up, grabs two items from the shelves of 7-11. One is the Skittles. The other is Arizona Watermelon Fruit Juice Cocktail. The media avoid the name of the real drink — possibly because of the racial implications of the word “watermelon,” but possibly to avoid probing the real reason for Trayon’s trip.
Trayvon, in fact, had become a devotee of the druggy concoction known as “Lean,” also known in southern hip-hop culture as “Sizzurp” and “Purple Drank.” Lean consists of three basic ingredients — codeine, a soft drink, and candy. If his Facebook postings are to be believed, Trayvon had been using Lean since at least June 2011.
The media tells us over and over again that Treyvon was just a child out getting Skittles, and on his way home to watch some cartoons like other young children do. Is it possible they were lying to us?
Read more and watch the video showing the ingredients for “Sizzurp” here.
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yeah, where was the codeine? it's like saying you found someone with a lighter and realized they were going to blow up a bridge, the only key ingredient missing was dynamite haha.
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Lean consists of three basic ingredients — codeine, a soft drink, and candy.
this might be the stupidest assumption ever made in the history of written word.
Did codeine show up in his drug test? No, just weed, which means he may have used pot up to 30 days before being chased by an armed man trained in MMA.
and every pothead I know is a violent murderer, no doubt about it.
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this might be the stupidest assumption ever made in the history of written word.
Did codeine show up in his drug test? No, just weed, which means he may have used pot up to 30 days before being chased by an armed man trained in MMA.
and every pothead I know is a violent murderer, no doubt about it.
Guess what,,,, zimmerman walked. So you should shut up, fgt.
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So. Uh. Yeah.
I told you so.
Tu, didn't you believe manslaughter was a "slam dunk"?
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Guess what,,,, zimmerman walked. So you should shut up, fgt.
I can't really argue with logic like that.
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I can't really argue with logic like that.
I know, its brilliant. Really some of my best work. Seriously, stop being the liberal-in-denial douche 240 and go back to the real Rob, thebRob that made Kamali want to commit suicide. After all that bs w8th him, youve been a shadow of your former self. Now all you do is argue for the liberal agenda and apologize for obama, all the while claiming that you arent doing those things
old rob = badass
new rob = whiney douche.
make something of yourself.
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Tu, didn't you believe manslaughter was a "slam dunk"?
Not at all.
I said that if they were going to charge him, they should have used manslaughter, but I did not say it was a slam dunk at all.
I said that would have been a more reasonable charge. However, when the trial was on-going, I saw that as dwindling down to around 50/50.
If you look at most of my posts regarding the subject, I on more than one occasion said he would walk.
Feel free to go back and look at my posts if you choose.
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Not at all.
I said that if they were going to charge him, they should have used manslaughter, but I did not say it was a slam dunk at all.
I said that would have been a more reasonable charge. However, when the trial was on-going, I saw that as dwindling down to around 50/50.
If you look at most of my posts regarding the subject, I on more than one occasion said he would walk.
Feel free to go back and look at my posts if you choose.
logical meltdown. How dare you be reasonable and consistent.
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logical meltdown. How dare you be reasonable and consistent.
Dogs and cats... living together... Mass Hysteria!
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;D
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Not at all.
I said that if they were going to charge him, they should have used manslaughter, but I did not say it was a slam dunk at all.
I said that would have been a more reasonable charge. However, when the trial was on-going, I saw that as dwindling down to around 50/50.
If you look at most of my posts regarding the subject, I on more than one occasion said he would walk.
Feel free to go back and look at my posts if you choose.
It's possible. I still think if they had gone for manslaughter it would be a slam dunk.
No offense, Tu. It's all good.
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No offense, Tu. It's all good.
Wow... I said that LONG before the trial... How long did you search for THAT one?
Don't say "it only took you a minute", because I went back to look for me saying that, and I couldn't find it...
So I said a random off the cuff comment about 3 months before trial, when as I had said over and over, I didn't have any evidence.
While I grant you that I typed the words, on every level have I been extremely even keeled about the process. 4 Months you had to go back... 4 months.
I guess we see what you're all about now Jack.
Sad, sad, sad.
You got me...
::)
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When is the trial over?
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;D
whats the smile about. youre happy that this father lost his son? Thats a funny thing?
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whats the smile about. youre happy that this father lost his son? Thats a funny thing?
No. The father was a member of a gang too. Maybe if he gave the kid better parenting like you were given this thing never would have happened w his son attacking zimm.
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whats the smile about. youre happy that this father lost his son? Thats a funny thing?
The whole thing is a complete tragedy Mal... Nothing to be happy about.
2 idiots get into it and one doesn't get to find out if they can turn their life around. I think it sucks.
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No. The father was a member of a gang too. Maybe if he gave the kid better parenting like you were given this thing never would have happened w his son attacking zimm.
but whats the smiling thing about...
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No. The father was a member of a gang too. Maybe if he gave the kid better parenting like you were given this thing never would have happened w his son attacking zimm.
My father was in a gang ... i was too as a kid....so was my older brother... theres time to turn it around... there should be. i had my moment when i was 15 and i said ill straighten up. My older brother had his at 18 and went to the marines (goin on 19 years of service) my dad had his much older... but there should always be time to turn it around. Me being a fuck up before gives me more cred to be able to coach the innercity kids because i had been there. No kid (or adult for that matter) is all good nor all bad. and justifying a kids death by saying "well he fought and smoked weed so he needs to die at 17" is just wild and immature to me. To be honest, my whole senior class would have been candidates to be shot with skittles and juice if fighting and smoking a little weed (per the ME report it was trace amounts.. thats why i used little weed)..
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My father was in a gang ... i was too as a kid....so was my older brother... theres time to turn it around... there should be. i had my moment when i was 15 and i said ill straighten up. My older brother had his at 18 and went to the marines (goin on 19 years of service) my dad had his much older... but there should always be time to turn it around. Me being a fuck up before gives me more cred to be able to coach the innercity kids because i had been there. No kid (or adult for that matter) is all good nor all bad. and justifying a kids death by saying "well he fought and smoked weed so he needs to die at 17" is just wild and immature to me. To be honest, my whole senior class would have been candidates to be shot with skittles and juice if fighting and smoking a little weed (per the ME report it was trace amounts.. thats why i used little weed)..
good luck with that angle
you're talking to a racist with a low IQ (I know that's redundant) who lives his life in total fear of people with gold teeth and thinks a kid who was suspended for truancy and graffiti is some kind of crime lord and deserves to be murdered
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good luck with that angle
you're talking to a racist with a low IQ (I know that's redundant) who lives his life in total fear of people with gold teeth and thinks a kid who was suspended for truancy and graffiti is some kind of crime lord and deserves to be murdered
I mean it is what it is... i gotta put it out there tho because thats just an insane argument "he was a thug and deserved to die" thug is used extremely loose.. but like i said.. it is what it is.. to some he was supposed to die, for me i think theres always a chance. Just a difference in opinions i guess
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I mean it is what it is... i gotta put it out there tho because thats just an insane argument "he was a thug and deserved to die" thug is used extremely loose.. but like i said.. it is what it is.. to some he was supposed to die, for me i think theres always a chance. Just a difference in opinions i guess
key word
this person has serious mental and/or emotional issues
it's not a difference of opinion it's a difference between you being a rational, sane and levelheaded person as compared to someone who is angry, stupid and very likely has serious mental and emotional problems
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I mean it is what it is... i gotta put it out there tho because thats just an insane argument "he was a thug and deserved to die" thug is used extremely loose.. but like i said.. it is what it is.. to some he was supposed to die, for me i think theres always a chance. Just a difference in opinions i guess
Had this happened between two Trayvons on the street of Chicago no one would have given a rats ass, the asshole in the WH included.
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Had this happened between two Trayvons on the street of Chicago no one would have given a rats ass, the asshole in the WH included.
boy you jump all over the place dont you... were talking about one thing and you go all 3rd rail..
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Had this happened between two Trayvons on the street of Chicago no one would have given a rats ass, the asshole in the WH included.
and FOX/Greta wouldn't have flown to Aruba for the natalie halloway thing, if she wasn't a pretty blonde girl that would deliver brutal ratings and interest.
Look at it this way, 33... if a story has any possibility to win over the NON-news watchers to be glued to courtTv or FOX or MSN for a few weeks, they RUN with it.
ANY time you see some bullshit story taking up more headline than it should, ask yourself "Is this story designed to pull in viewers that don't normally watch this channel?"
also, please flush any notion that the media has any "duty" to cover any story of any importance. They'll put a war or major debt crisis on the backburner for a baby panda bear stuck in a wishing well ANY day. They're entertainment channels and profit-driven. To disagree is to be naive.
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My father was in a gang ... i was too as a kid....so was my older brother... theres time to turn it around... there should be. i had my moment when i was 15 and i said ill straighten up. My older brother had his at 18 and went to the marines (goin on 19 years of service) my dad had his much older... but there should always be time to turn it around. Me being a fuck up before gives me more cred to be able to coach the innercity kids because i had been there. No kid (or adult for that matter) is all good nor all bad. and justifying a kids death by saying "well he fought and smoked weed so he needs to die at 17" is just wild and immature to me. To be honest, my whole senior class would have been candidates to be shot with skittles and juice if fighting and smoking a little weed (per the ME report it was trace amounts.. thats why i used little weed)..
As opposed to the argument that's been championed (even by you), that Trayvon died because he was buying Skittles and Ice Tea?
Your argument above applies to Zimmerman as well.
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As opposed to the argument that's been championed (even by you), that Trayvon died because he was buying Skittles and Ice Tea?
Your argument above applies to Zimmerman as well.
What argument was championed by me? The fact is, dude followed a kid that was doing nothing illegal. he just got juice and skittles... those are all facts. Some dude with a gun interjected himself in the path of this kid and the kid ended up dead. Please stop me when i say something that is incorrect.
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What argument was championed by me? The fact is, dude followed a kid that was doing nothing illegal. he just got juice and skittles... those are all facts. Some dude with a gun interjected himself in the path of this kid and the kid ended up dead. Please stop me when i say something that is incorrect.
Thats a gross oversimplification... You can make anything sound evil if you cherry pick the facts to suite your narrative... thats exactly what the media does every. single. day.
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What argument was championed by me? The fact is, dude followed a kid that was doing nothing illegal. he just got juice and skittles... those are all facts. Some dude with a gun interjected himself in the path of this kid and the kid ended up dead. Please stop me when i say something that is incorrect.
You would make a great NBC editor or NAACP representative.
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What argument was championed by me? The fact is, dude followed a kid that was doing nothing illegal. he just got juice and skittles... those are all facts. Some dude with a gun interjected himself in the path of this kid and the kid ended up dead. Please stop me when i say something that is incorrect.
Sure, right there. Just stopping short of the fact that a confrontation occurred.
The Skittles and Ice Tea are irrelevant. Continuously pushed as if to suggest that's ALL Trayvon did. ::)
BTW, what's the crime in a neighborhood watch person confronting someone? Never heard of one myself.
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Thats a gross oversimplification... You can make anything sound evil if you cherry pick the facts to suite your narrative... thats exactly what the media does every. single. day.
Boom. They constantly mention the Skittles and the Ice Tea as if that's all that happened, lol pathetic.
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Sure, right there. Just stopping short of the fact that a confrontation occurred.
The Skittles and Ice Tea are irrelevant. Continuously pushed as if to suggest that's ALL Trayvon did. ::)
BTW, what's the crime in a neighborhood watch person confronting someone? Never heard of one myself.
I understand, hes black, so he must have been doing something wrong, why else would he need to be for an armed man to follow him. I figured this was a slam dunk for tough guy conservatives.. you know..
1. man follows boy with gun in tow after being directed not to
2. gets scraped by boy
3. must shoot boy to bring an end to the conflict he initiated...
In my world thats a sucka move.. but we just live by different codes
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I understand, hes black, so he must have been doing something wrong, why else would he need to be for an armed man to follow him. I figured this was a slam dunk for tough guy conservatives.. you know..
1. man follows boy with gun in tow after being directed not to
2. gets scraped by boy
3. must shoot boy to bring an end to the conflict he initiated...
In my world thats a sucka move.. but we just live by different codes
Zimm did not know for a fact tray was black as per the 911 call.
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I understand, hes black, so he must have been doing something wrong, why else would he need to be for an armed man to follow him. I figured this was a slam dunk for tough guy conservatives.. you know..
1. man follows boy with gun in tow after being directed not to
2. gets scraped by boy
3. must shoot boy to bring an end to the conflict he initiated...
In my world thats a sucka move.. but we just live by different codes
Yea, the FBI already tried the race route and they've turned up nothing. The whole fucking Justice Dept. is now trying to scour any little tidbit and pathetic attempt to find something.
The lead investigator claimed that he believed Trayvon was profiled due to his actions, not his race (guess you know more than him).
And, if you read my previous posts, I don't think Trayvon was a bad kid at all.
Give up the race baiting shit already? ::)
IMO, he was a decent kid, with a decent future, who made a horrible, life ending decision.
But yeah, I guess 'in your world' he was murdered for buying some Skittles and Ice Tea. Happens all the time. ::)
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I understand, hes black, so he must have been doing something wrong, why else would he need to be for an armed man to follow him. I figured this was a slam dunk for tough guy conservatives.. you know..
1. man follows boy with gun in tow after being directed not to
2. gets scraped by boy
3. must shoot boy to bring an end to the conflict he initiated...
In my world thats a sucka move.. but we just live by different codes
bro youre a decent dude and Ive posted on here for some time so hopefully you believe me when I tell you this is completely innaccurate given what we know.
per zimmermans words he was no longer following trayvon, there is no proof that zimmerman started the physical altercation as a matter of fact there is alot of evidence to point to trayvon doing so.
We also know that trayvon was the one to confront zimmerman...I understand you want to make this about racial prejudice but fact is there isnt anything to support that either.
you clearly do not know facts of the case bro.
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Barack Obama's approval rating worse than George Zimmerman
http://katenews2day.com/2013/07/22/obamas-approval-rating-worse-than-zimmerman-obamas-approval-rating-taking-further-nose-dive-and-the-race-baiting-policy-is-not-helping-obama/
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bro youre a decent dude and Ive posted on here for some time so hopefully you believe me when I tell you this is completely innaccurate given what we know.
per zimmermans words he was no longer following trayvon, there is no proof that zimmerman started the physical altercation as a matter of fact there is alot of evidence to point to trayvon doing so.
We also know that trayvon was the one to confront zimmerman...I understand you want to make this about racial prejudice but fact is there isnt anything to support that either.
you clearly do not know facts of the case bro.
Yep, Mal's a decent guy. One of the very few people on here who I'll read long posts when he takes the time to write them, because I think he's got good insight.
But, I think it's just all about race for him and everything else be damned.
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Yep, Mal's a decent guy. One of the very few people on here who I'll read long posts when he takes the time to write them, because I think he's got good insight.
But, I think it's just all about race for him and everything else be damned.
Its so not that... i just know that if Zimmerman wouldnt have interjected himself and his gun in Martins path, Martin would still be alive. The race part comes in when people like 333 call him ashtray and shit like that because he had gold teeth.. Ive done most of the things martin has done. Ive had a grill, ive gotten into fights, i tried weed and ive owned a gun with no permit. If im shot and none of that plays a part, but its brought up as some type of evidence, ...thats when it gets racist.
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Its so not that... i just know that if Zimmerman wouldnt have interjected himself and his gun in Martins path, Martin would still be alive. The race part comes in when people like 333 call him ashtray and shit like that because he had gold teeth.. Ive done most of the things martin has done. Ive had a grill, ive gotten into fights, i tried weed and ive owned a gun with no permit. If im shot and none of that plays a part, but its brought up as some type of evidence, ...thats when it gets racist.
by that same token mal if trayvon had not confronted zimmerman and started a physical altercation things would have been different as well.
you like to point out trayvon wasnt doing anything illegal but you never seem to want to acknowledge that neither was zimmerman.
Both of them acted like idiots that night mal and putting it solely on zimmerman is biased at best, intellectually dishonest at worst.
Trayvon is not innocent in the events that night, sorry bro...facts are facts
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Sure, right there. Just stopping short of the fact that a confrontation occurred.
The Skittles and Ice Tea are irrelevant. Continuously pushed as if to suggest that's ALL Trayvon did. ::)
BTW, what's the crime in a neighborhood watch person confronting someone? Never heard of one myself.
to be fair, that's one of the few facts about Martin that we know (not that it's relevant unless Tubby was trying to steal them for his eventual 100lb bulk up)
We know he purchased Iced Tea and Skittle and we know he was walking home
We don't know anything else that happened for a fact other than at one point Martin was on top of Zimmerman and that Zimmerman shot Martin
We don't know for a fact how or why Martin wound up on top of Zimmerman
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to be fair, that's one of the few facts about Martin that we know (not that it's relevant unless Tubby was trying to steal them for his eventual 100lb bulk up)
We know he purchased Iced Tea and Skittle and we know he was walking home
We don't know anything else that happened for a fact other than at one point Martin was on top of Zimmerman and that Zimmerman shot Martin
We don't know for a fact how or why Martin wound up on top of Zimmerman
we know martin caused the injuries to zimmerman, we know that trayvon confronted zimmerman, we know that zimmerman did not land one single blow on trayvon.
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we know martin caused the injuries to zimmerman, we know that trayvon confronted zimmerman, we know that zimmerman did not land one single blow on trayvon.
We don't know either of those last two things for a fact, most especially that Martin confronted Zimmerman
Forensic evidence might suggest that Zimmerman did not land one blow but he could still have confronted Martin, grabbed him, etc.. and started the altercation and he could have tried to land a blow but just failed or punched like a pussy that left no trace
Either way, we have no facts that Martin confronted Zimmerman
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We don't know either of those last two things for a fact, most especially that Martin confronted Zimmerman
Forensic evidence might suggest that Zimmerman did not land one blow but he could still have confronted Martin, grabbed him, etc.. and started the altercation and he could have tried to land a blow but just failed or punched like a pussy that left no trace
Either way, we have no facts that Martin confronted Zimmerman
all except the fact that jabba admits that she heard trayvon confront zimmerman right?
I mean all but that yea?
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all except the fact that jabba admits that she heard trayvon confront zimmerman right?
I mean all but that yea?
did she say that in the trial?
I didn't watch the entire thing but I remember the testimony with the letter where she said she heard Martin say "get off"
is that what you're referring to ?
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did she say that in the trial?
I didn't watch the entire thing but I remember the testimony with the letter where she said she heard Martin say "get off"
is that what you're referring to ?
yes she said that in the trial, right before she said that "creepy ass cracka" wasnt a racist term....
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yes she said that in the trial, right before she said that "creepy ass cracka" wasnt a racist term....
can you post a link or something
I'm not saying she didn't say it at the trial
I just don't remember her saying it
I thought she said it on a TV interview or something but not at the trial
I assume you must think her testimony in therefore credible....right?
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can you post a link or something
I'm not saying she didn't say it at the trial
I just don't remember her saying it
I thought she said it on a TV interview or something but not at the trial
I assume you must think her testimony in therefore credible....right?
She said Trayvon asked Zimmerman why he was following him and then Zimmerman responded something to the effect of what are you doing around here. Or something along those lines.
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She said Trayvon asked Zimmerman why he was following him and then Zimmerman responded something to the effect of what are you doing around here. Or something along those lines.
was that the same testimony where she said she heard Martin say "get off" ?
are you also saying you believe she is a credible witness?
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was that the same testimony where she said she heard Martin say "get off" ?
are you also saying you believe she is a credible witness?
if you believe that she is credible do you take into account what she said after the trial as well?
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Wow... I said that LONG before the trial... How long did you search for THAT one?
Don't say "it only took you a minute", because I went back to look for me saying that, and I couldn't find it...
So I said a random off the cuff comment about 3 months before trial, when as I had said over and over, I didn't have any evidence.
While I grant you that I typed the words, on every level have I been extremely even keeled about the process. 4 Months you had to go back... 4 months.
I guess we see what you're all about now Jack.
Sad, sad, sad.
You got me...
::)
It didn't even take a half-minute.
If you're looking for something on getbig, I'd advise searching from the outside. In this case, something such as: zimmerman tu_holmes "slam dunk" site:getbig.com
Put that into Google, and there's your answer.
Not trying to "get" at you or anyone else on this site, Tu. Life's too short.
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It didn't even take a half-minute.
If you're looking for something on getbig, I'd advise searching from the outside. In this case, something such as: zimmerman tu_holmes "slam dunk" site:getbig.com
Put that into Google, and there's your answer.
Not trying to "get" at you or anyone else on this site, Tu. Life's too short.
Sure thing, Jack.
The fact you even bothered is pretty sad in it's own right don't you think? I mean, you basically decided that because of 2 words you needed to go find them and post the quote...
What other reason would you even have to do so?
Even in the context I type the words, it doesn't change the fact that through the course of the trial and the conversations about it... I've been very even keeled and have not really sided with one side over the other.
But please do continue... I mean, you found 2 words I typed on the internet together. I'm sure there are others.
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experiencing a kinda reverse dejavu here Tu? Good thing you didn't bet he couldn't find it.. :)
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experiencing a kinda reverse dejavu here Tu? Good thing you didn't bet he couldn't find it.. :)
Oh look, an anonymous cop stalker... Who'd have thought you would pop up?
Answer: Everyone.
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Sure thing, Jack.
The fact you even bothered is pretty sad in it's own right don't you think? I mean, you basically decided that because of 2 words you needed to go find them and post the quote...
No, I don't think that.
What other reason would you even have to do so?
Maybe because you suggested it. Were you that confident that you hadn't said it?
Even in the context I type the words, it doesn't change the fact that through the course of the trial and the conversations about it... I've been very even keeled and have not really sided with one side over the other.
But please do continue... I mean, you found 2 words I typed on the internet together. I'm sure there are others.
You also hadn't thought it through, regarding a need to show an unlawful death. Even though the prosecutor didn't lift a finger toward doing that, it was required for success.
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No, I don't think that.
Maybe because you suggested it. Were you that confident that you hadn't said it?
You also hadn't thought it through, regarding a need to show an unlawful death. Even though the prosecutor didn't lift a finger toward doing that, it was required for success.
jack have you come to terms with the fact that murder 2 was never a legitimate charge and even manslaughter was a stretch?
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case is over. zimmerman beat the rap. he's still a fascinating story, as he will keep on getting involved with drama, both good and bad. But due to the Fl law, he was legal, that's that.
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case is over. zimmerman beat the rap. he's still a fascinating story, as he will keep on getting involved with drama, both good and bad. But due to the Fl law, he was legal, that's that.
how many times have you flip flopped on this 240?
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how many times have you flip flopped on this 240?
i've come to realize the law - the lack of a duty to retreat when you're packing heat and a situation is escalating - is the problem.
in 1998, zimmerman KNOWS that running into that situation with a gun means jail - he waits in the truck.
i'm the cranky old guy that remembers how it USED to be when people didn't cap kids at gas stations for their radio being too loud when they were just 'standing their ground'.
IMO, stand your ground is a load of shit. So are a few other things. But as of 2013 law, the state couldn't prove zimm otehrwise, so he wins. I can admit that.
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jack have you come to terms with the fact that murder 2 was never a legitimate charge and even manslaughter was a stretch?
If they didn't plan to fight for it, as appears to be true, then they shouldn't have charged him. It's that simple. I don't know what kind of a game they were running, but it's done.
It's always better to see a guilty person walk than an innocent person go through the slightest hassle, though, so it's hard to be upset about it. I hope Zimmerman learns to chill out and to quit inserting himself into situations through absolute delusion, that's for sure.
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No, I don't think that.
Maybe because you suggested it. Were you that confident that you hadn't said it?
You also hadn't thought it through, regarding a need to show an unlawful death. Even though the prosecutor didn't lift a finger toward doing that, it was required for success.
1. Yes. You do, but ok.
2. I typed a response in about the "2 seconds" you claim it took you to find it. Simply put, I just wasn't going to worry about it... I think and thought what I did.
3. At the time, perhaps I was caught up in the media hysteria of it, but as facts came out, I simply came to understand the reality.
Is there something there you take issue with? You're still rambling on about something I wrote 4 months ago considering the trial has come and gone and gone down mostly how I said it would anyway.
The funny part is that I have no clue where you stand or stood on the entire episode. I just haven't paid that much attention to you and to be honest, if you weren't speaking to me directly, I still wouldn't I suppose.
You keep doing what you're doing though... I'm sure it's productive.
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1. Yes. You do, but ok.
2. I typed a response in about the "2 seconds" you claim it took you to find it. Simply put, I just wasn't going to worry about it... I think and thought what I did.
3. At the time, perhaps I was caught up in the media hysteria of it, but as facts came out, I simply came to understand the reality.
Is there something there you take issue with? You're still rambling on about something I wrote 4 months ago considering the trial has come and gone and gone down mostly how I said it would anyway.
The funny part is that I have no clue where you stand or stood on the entire episode. I just haven't paid that much attention to you and to be honest, if you weren't speaking to me directly, I still wouldn't I suppose.
You keep doing what you're doing though... I'm sure it's productive.
Yeah, it really isn't that serious, Tu. You may be getting a bit carried away with it.
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Yeah, it really isn't that serious, Tu. You may be getting a bit carried away with it.
Riiiight.
I have been on here maybe 5 minutes a day for the past week and I'm the one who is taking it seriously.
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Riiiight.
I have been on here maybe 5 minutes a day for the past week and I'm the one who is taking it seriously.
::)
Please quit trying to analyze it, Tu. It's no big deal.
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Please quit trying to analyze it, Tu. It's no big deal.
You keep responding though, don't you?
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Tu, you're driving yourself nuts for no reason. I hope you realize that.
Just be more careful what you say, and you won't get into these situations.
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Tu, you're driving yourself nuts for no reason. I hope you realize that.
Just be more careful what you say, and you won't get into these situations.
You must have an odd definition of "driving yourself nuts".
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You must have an odd definition of "driving yourself nuts".
Are you saying there's no drive necessary, Tu?
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Are you saying there's no drive necessary, Tu?
I'm saying you have no concept of my mental state through this conversation.
Trust me, when I'm not reading your posts, you're not on my mind, nor is this conversation.
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I'm saying you have no concept of my mental state through this conversation.
Trust me, when I'm not reading your posts, you're not on my mind, nor is this conversation.
Good job, Tu. Life's way too fucking short.
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Good job, Tu. Life's way too fucking short.
Epic passive aggressiveness by Jack T. Cross
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Epic passive aggressiveness by Jack T. Cross
...says the person indirectly addressing me.
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I'm saying you have no concept of my mental state through this conversation.
Trust me, when I'm not reading your posts, you're not on my mind, nor is this conversation.
Bro, dont waste your time. Just ignore him like everyone else.
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Bro, dont waste your time. Just ignore him like everyone else.
Trail of tears, to beat all hell.
Didn't think you were such a bitch, Shockwave.
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...says the person indirectly addressing me.
Nice post change. :D
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Nice post change. :D
Haha...nice catch...just trying to remain civilized, old boy. ;)
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Haha...nice catch...just trying to remain civilized, old boy. ;)
Respect. 8)
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Respect. 8)
;) ;D
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Shockwave and Tu, you guys need to check the hate for once...lol
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Shockwave and Tu, you guys need to check the hate for once...lol
HAH!
We see what you did there.
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HAH!
We see what you did there.
;)
:D
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Hahahaha...;D ;D ;D...you guys crack me up like nobody else.
Peace, bros. ;D
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Glad the jury got it right.
Pretty disturbed by the feds and the media trying to persecute the man. The feds set up an e-mail address and asked the entire country to send them dirt on Zimmerman. How the heck do you defend yourself when big brother does something like that? If you're not afraid of what you're government can do to you, you should be.
And the media following the guy is just disgusting. Just put his name on a wanted poster with a target already. ::)
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Al Sharpton et al. will have a field day with this.
George Zimmerman's estranged wife says he threatened her with gun
Published September 09, 2013
FoxNews.com
George Zimmerman's estranged wife has called police to her father's home Monday, saying the former neighborhood watch volunteer who was acquitted of the murder of Trayvon Martin threatened her with a gun.
Zimmerman is currently being questioned by police.
Earlier, he was in investigative detention and was being held handcuffed in the back of a police cruiser -- a procedure until probable cause is established for an arrest, Lake Mary Deputy Chief Colin Morgan told Fox News.
Lake Mary Police Chief Steve Bracknell says Shellie Zimmerman called police shortly after 2 p.m.
Bracknell told the Associated Press that officers are at the house trying to determine what happened.
"We've only heard one side of the story so far," Bracknell said.
Morgan said there are allegations that Zimmerman came to the home and Shellie's father was the aggressor in the incident. Police say Shellie told them that Zimmerman had his hand on his gun and became aggressive, then punched her father.
Shellie Zimmerman filed for divorce last week.
In the divorce petition, Shellie Zimmerman says she and her husband separated a month after Zimmerman was acquitted of any crime for fatally shooting Trayvon Martin last July.
Zimmerman's acquittal led to protests nationwide.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/09/george-zimmerman-wife-says-threatened-her-father-with-gun/#ixzz2eQdihJlY
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there's a way to deal with things without getting violence, threats, police and firearms involved.
And then, there's the Zimmerman way.
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CNN is reporting that there was a gun in the house but it was not involved
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So it seems to be much ado about nothing, but the media will still follow the man's every move.
"George Zimmerman is no longer being held by police after an alleged altercation with his wife and her father, a police official says."
George Zimmerman threatened wife, her dad, she tells 911
By Vivian Kuo, CNN
updated 4:35 PM EDT, Mon September 9, 2013
(CNN) -- George Zimmerman was detained after his estranged wife told 911 that he had threatened her and her father with a weapon, Lake Mary, Florida, police told reporters Monday.
Zimmerman was being cooperative, Lake Mary police spokesman Zach Hudson said.
Shellie Zimmerman, who filed for divorce last week, called 911 just after 2 p.m. ET, Lake Mary Police Chief Steve Bracknell said. She told police that George Zimmerman was inside the house with a gun and was threatening her family, the chief said.
Bracknell added that Shellie Zimmerman claimed her husband "battered her father," according to the call report. It was unclear if he received medical treatment from first responders from the fire department.
George Zimmerman's attorney, Mark O'Mara, told CNN, "There was heightened emotion, and a disagreement took place."
O'Mara said his client wasn't taken to police headquarters but was being questioned near the house, which is owned by his father-in-law, David Bryant Dean.
Bracknell said that as of 4 p.m., Shellie Zimmerman had yet to give a sworn statement to police, but she had spoken with her attorney.
The incident comes two months after Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch volunteer, was found not guilty of murder in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin in Sanford, Florida.
Hudson said earlier that police are following procedure by placing Zimmerman in investigative detention.
"Anytime we have anybody suspected of doing anything, we place them in investigative detention until a complete investigation has been done," Hudson said.
George's brother, Robert, tweeted after his brother's detention that the public shouldn't "jump to conclusions."
Shellie Zimmerman filed for divorce last week in Seminole County, her attorney told CNN at the time.
That filing came after she pleaded guilty to perjury on August 28 for lying about the state of the couple's finances during a bond hearing in April 2012. She had claimed she and her husband were broke, when in reality they had collected about $135,000 in donations.
Since his acquittal on July 13, George Zimmerman has been in the headlines several times. In late July, he reportedly helped a family escape from an overturned SUV. A report from the Seminole County Sheriff's Office confirmed his involvement.
More recently, Zimmerman has been pulled over in traffic twice. The first time, he was given a verbal warning for a traffic violation in Texas and reportedly told officers he had a firearm in his glove compartment. The second time was in Florida last week, when he was issued a $256 ticket for speeding.
Lake Mary is a suburb of Orlando near Sanford.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/09/us/george-zimmerman-detained/index.html
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there can only be so many of these 'incidents' until most people admit he's a magnet for trouble.
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there can only be so many of these 'incidents' until most people admit he's a magnet for trouble.
Maybe he is just misunderstood?
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Maybe he is just misunderstood?
LOL - where was all this sympathy for Martin
Afterall Zimmerman was the man with a police record, on academic probation, etc...
Martin didn't have any of those blemishes on his record yet you couldn't stop talking about his scary gold teeth or the fact that he posed for "scary" pictures in spite of the fact that many kids his age do the exact same stupid shit
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Maybe he is just misunderstood?
Maybe he should just smoke pot, rob a house or two, beat a couple people up, buy a hoodie, etc.
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Maybe he should just smoke pot, rob a house or two, beat a couple people up, buy a hoodie, etc.
How do you know he hasn't done that already and just didn't get caught (except for the beating up part of course - we can all agree he sucks at that)
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LOL - where was all this sympathy for Martin
Afterall Zimmerman was the man with a police record, on academic probation, etc...
Martin didn't have any of those blemishes on his record yet you couldn't stop talking about his scary gold teeth or the fact that he posed for "scary" pictures in spite of the fact that many kids his age do the exact same stupid shit
Yes straw trayvon was a model citizen ::)
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Yes straw trayvon was a model citizen ::)
great point
certainly true when comparing him to Zimmerman who had prior arrest for shoving a police officer and forced to take court mandated anger management classes, restraining order for domestic violence, on academic probation at a pathetic junior college
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Yes straw trayvon was a model citizen ::)
Yep. Beating people up. Getting suspended from school, multiple times. Breaking into houses. Using drugs. Trying to buy a gun. A real Boy Scout.
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we don't know what zimm's teenage years were like, so comparing them at different points in their life without that info is very incomplete.
Would trayvon have felony assault arrest, numerous domestic abuse, speeding, etc charges? Possible. We will never know if trayvon's criminal record could match that which zimmerman had the day of that shooting.
i haven't seen trayvon's criminal record - what was it?
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Yep. Beating people up. Getting suspended from school, multiple times. Breaking into houses. Using drugs. Trying to buy a gun. A real Boy Scout.
other than Zimmerman who did he beat up
Regarding all the other nonsense you posted can you refer to any actual charges being filed regarding breaking into houses or using drugs (in his case pot which is ubiquitous as you well know) or is it just you doing typical character assassination and of a dead kid no less
Compare that to the person who killed him who had charges filed and only dropped when he agreed to go to anger management classes, restraining order with accusation of domestic violence and the fact that he was so fucking stupid he was on academic probation at a pathetic junior college
Those are all actual facts unlike the nonsense you posted
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other than Zimmerman who did he beat up
Regarding all the other nonsense you posted can you refer to any actual charges being filed regarding breaking into houses or using drugs (in his case pot which is ubiquitous as you well know) or is it just you doing typical character assassination and of a dead kid no less
Compare that to the person who killed him who had charges filed and only dropped when he agreed to go to anger management classes, restraining order with accusation of domestic violence and the fact that he was so fucking stupid he was on academic probation at a pathetic junior college
Those are all actual facts unlike the nonsense you posted
What was trayvon martin's criminal record?
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What was trayvon martin's criminal record?
non-existent as far as I know
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What was trayvon martin's criminal record?
wait, is wearing a hoodie while being black now considered a crime in FL
If so, then I guess they have that on him
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non-existent as far as I know
that's what I thought. Zero criminal record.
Zimmerman, on the other hand...
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that's what I thought. Zero criminal record.
Zimmerman, on the other hand...
He also had a student pilot's license as well....was learning how to fly airplanes
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He also had a student pilot's license as well....was learning how to fly airplanes
every pothead I know is extremely violent. They run and hide to lure in poorly trained MMA fighters with guns.. then they SPRING on them!
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He also had a student pilot's license as well....was learning how to fly airplanes
???
Clearly planning a future terrorist attack along the lines of 9/11
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???
Clearly planning a future terrorist attack along the lines of 9/11
If only Clinton had the foresight of Zimmerman, he could have stopped 911.
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ChoomTrayvon was a worthless ghetto thug - dead by 20 regardless
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ChoomTrayvon was a worthless ghetto thug - dead by 20 regardless
because he used marijuana? Do all potheads die by 20?
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If only Clinton had the foresight of Zimmerman, he could have stopped 911.
ok so you missed my joke completely
not your fault
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because he used marijuana? Do all potheads die by 20?
He was a worthless thug
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speaking of Clinton though does anyone remember when he bombed Iraq in 1998, in part due to chemical weapons and not letting in UN Inspectors?
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yes the drug abusing, fighting, fire arm seeking model citizen...
whats funny is that most people on both sides admit that zimmerman was a shit head but very few supporting trayvon admit that he was a shit head
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yes the drug abusing, fighting, fire arm seeking model citizen...
whats funny is that most people on both sides admit that zimmerman was a shit head but very few supporting trayvon admit that he was a shit head
both sides agree Zimmerman was a shit head?
ok, let's assume that's true
other than being an unarmed 17 year old in a hoodie walking home from 7-11 why are we supposed to believe the Martin was a "shithead"
I assume this is some argument where shithead stalks and kills unarmed shithead is OK ?
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He also had a student pilot's license as well....was learning how to fly airplanes
Pretty talented. I wonder how he was able to do that while smoking pot at least twice a week?
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Police: Zimmerman wife not pressing charges
The estranged wife of George Zimmerman opted not to press charges against her husband Monday after police in Florida responded to her sobbing 911 call reporting he had punched her father and was threatening them with a gun.
"I'm really scared,'' Shellie Zimmerman can be heard telling Lake Mary, Fla., police in an audio recording of a 911 call placed around 2 p.m. Monday to authorities in the suburb northeast of Orlando.
Zimmerman was acquitted in July in the shooting death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin in a case that captured the nation's attention and put a spotlight on Florida's self-defense gun laws.
Police allowed Zimmerman to go free Monday afternoon after questioning him outside the home where Shellie Zimmerman placed the 911 call. Police Chief Steve Bracknell said Shellie Zimmerman and her father decided not to press charges after consulting with an attorney.
Police deputy chief Colin Morgan said earlier that police held George Zimmerman in "investigative detention'' while they investigated the dispute.
A police spokesman said Zimmerman and his wife, who filed for divorce last week, were blaming each other for starting the fight at her father's home.
In an audio recording of Shellie Zimmerman's 911 call, she can be heard saying Zimmerman smashed an iPad she was holding and cut it with a pocket knife, struck her father in the nose and threatened both while putting a hand on a gun.
Deputy Police Chief Colin Morgan said officers did not recover a gun, and Bracknell said Shellie Zimmerman later dropped her claim that a gun was involved.
"Domestic violence can't be invoked because she has changed her story and says she didn't see a firearm," Bracknell said.
The dispute "was between him and his wife and her father,'' Morgan said. "There were some allegations that there had been an assault, but we could not confirm any of it.''
Orlando TV station WKMG reported that Shellie Zimmerman's parents, David and Machelle Dean, live at the home.
WKMG's SKY 6 helicopter showed at least a half-dozen police squad cars outside the house.
In the divorce petition, Shellie Zimmerman says she and her husband separated a month after Zimmerman, who is Hispanic, was acquitted of any crime for fatally shooting Martin, a black teenager, last July. The verdict sparked protests across the nation.
Zimmerman has been pulled over at least twice for speeding since his acquittal.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/09/09/george-zimmerman-gun-incident-florida-trayvon-martin/2788443/
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240 and straw and option f in despair.
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240 and straw and option f in despair.
despair over what and why?
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Police: Zimmerman wife not pressing charges
The estranged wife of George Zimmerman opted not to press charges against her husband Monday after police in Florida responded to her sobbing 911 call reporting he had punched her father and was threatening them with a gun.
"I'm really scared,'' Shellie Zimmerman can be heard telling Lake Mary, Fla., police in an audio recording of a 911 call placed around 2 p.m. Monday to authorities in the suburb northeast of Orlando.
Zimmerman was acquitted in July in the shooting death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin in a case that captured the nation's attention and put a spotlight on Florida's self-defense gun laws.
Police allowed Zimmerman to go free Monday afternoon after questioning him outside the home where Shellie Zimmerman placed the 911 call. Police Chief Steve Bracknell said Shellie Zimmerman and her father decided not to press charges after consulting with an attorney.
Police deputy chief Colin Morgan said earlier that police held George Zimmerman in "investigative detention'' while they investigated the dispute.
A police spokesman said Zimmerman and his wife, who filed for divorce last week, were blaming each other for starting the fight at her father's home.
In an audio recording of Shellie Zimmerman's 911 call, she can be heard saying Zimmerman smashed an iPad she was holding and cut it with a pocket knife, struck her father in the nose and threatened both while putting a hand on a gun.
Deputy Police Chief Colin Morgan said officers did not recover a gun, and Bracknell said Shellie Zimmerman later dropped her claim that a gun was involved.
"Domestic violence can't be invoked because she has changed her story and says she didn't see a firearm," Bracknell said.
The dispute "was between him and his wife and her father,'' Morgan said. "There were some allegations that there had been an assault, but we could not confirm any of it.''
Orlando TV station WKMG reported that Shellie Zimmerman's parents, David and Machelle Dean, live at the home.
WKMG's SKY 6 helicopter showed at least a half-dozen police squad cars outside the house.
In the divorce petition, Shellie Zimmerman says she and her husband separated a month after Zimmerman, who is Hispanic, was acquitted of any crime for fatally shooting Martin, a black teenager, last July. The verdict sparked protests across the nation.
Zimmerman has been pulled over at least twice for speeding since his acquittal.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/09/09/george-zimmerman-gun-incident-florida-trayvon-martin/2788443/
Doesn't matter because it appears that the police are going to launch charges after they analyze Sheila Zimmerman's phone that was smashed up.
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Doesn't matter because it appears that the police are going to launch charges after they analyze Sheila Zimmerman's phone that was smashed up.
How the heck do you know that?? Also, it was an ipad, not an iphone. And don't they have to find out what's on the ipad, establish that it proves a crime was committed, then "launch charges"?
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He beat the murder rap.
I no longer see the need for getbiggers to feel the need to defend him in everything he does.
He's not a folk hero... he's an Obama-voting, cop-shoving, domestic-abuse involved person who tours factories to see how the gun he used to kill someone was made.
Tasteless... trashy... crude... vulgur... violent... He's probably all of these things. I think he could do a lot more distasteful things before people who hated trayvon will stop defending zimmerman.
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He beat the murder rap.
I no longer see the need for getbiggers to feel the need to defend him in everything he does.
He's not a folk hero... he's an Obama-voting, cop-shoving, domestic-abuse involved person who tours factories to see how the gun he used to kill someone was made.
Tasteless... trashy... crude... vulgur... violent... He's probably all of these things. I think he could do a lot more distasteful things before people who hated trayvon will stop defending zimmerman.
many idiots on this site have called this fat, border line retard with anger management issue their hero
I think 333 is one of them
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How the heck do you know that?? Also, it was an ipad, not an iphone. And don't they have to find out what's on the ipad, establish that it proves a crime was committed, then "launch charges"?
Its on MSNBC and Fox News right now. They are trying to get the data from the phone at this time to get video of the incident.
Ipad, Iphone...I don't really care because I hate APPLE products
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Its on MSNBC and Fox News right now. They are trying to get the data from the phone at this time to get video of the incident.
Ipad, Iphone...I don't really care because I hate APPLE products
If they're trying to get data from the ipad, that means they don't have it yet, which also means there is no evidence to "launch charges." Maybe you should wait and see what they recover first?
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both sides agree Zimmerman was a shit head?
ok, let's assume that's true
other than being an unarmed 17 year old in a hoodie walking home from 7-11 why are we supposed to believe the Martin was a "shithead"
I assume this is some argument where shithead stalks and kills unarmed shithead is OK ?
so lets get this out:
Zimmerman = shit head for pushing a cop and bad grades in college
trayvon = not shit head even though he abused drugs, got in multiple fights, got suspended from school, was a "thug"
LMFAO and no this is an incident where a shit head follows another shit head gets assaulted and defends himself...AND YES THAT IS OK!!!!!
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He beat the murder rap.
I no longer see the need for getbiggers to feel the need to defend him in everything he does.
He's not a folk hero... he's an Obama-voting, cop-shoving, domestic-abuse involved person who tours factories to see how the gun he used to kill someone was made.
Tasteless... trashy... crude... vulgur... violent... He's probably all of these things. I think he could do a lot more distasteful things before people who hated trayvon will stop defending zimmerman.
you defending him?
what a tool, you were all about condemning this man before the facts even came out...now that he is been proven innocent you were defending him?
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so lets get this out:
Zimmerman = shit head for pushing a cop and bad grades in college
trayvon = not shit head even though he abused drugs, got in multiple fights, got suspended from school, was a "thug"
LMFAO and no this is an incident where a shit head follows another shit head gets assaulted and defends himself...AND YES THAT IS OK!!!!!
try to keep in mind that you're the one that introduced the idea that "both sides admit that Zimmerman was a shithead"
I notice that you use the moral equivalency gambit a lot when you have nothing else to go with
You do this all the times with the Repubs.....i.e. Repubs are bad at "x" but Dems are equally as bad and we're all just supposed to assume it's correct
You just did the same thing again with Martin and Zimmerman
Let's assume for sake of argument that they are both "shitheads" by your standard of measurement
What are we supposed to conclude from that?
What excuse are your trying to lead us to from that conclusion ?
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try to keep in mind that you're the one that introduced the idea that "both sides admit that Zimmerman was a shithead"
I notice that you use the moral equivalency gambit a lot when you have nothing else to go with
You do this all the times with the Repubs.....i.e. Repubs are bad at "x" but Dems are equally as bad and we're all just supposed to assume it's correct
You just did the same thing again with Martin and Zimmerman
Let's assume for sake of argument that they are both "shitheads" by your standard of measurement
What are we supposed to conclude from that?
What excuse are your trying to lead us to from that conclusion ?
try and keep in mind when you use a moral equivilent youre using it to try and justify an action.
my point in bringing up the fact that both were shit heads is to do away with the ignorant belief that trayvon was some upstanding citizen who could do no wrong.
zimmerman was justified in using deadly force whether trayvon was a shit head or not, it has been proven he is innocent of any charges.
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try and keep in mind when you use a moral equivilent youre using it to try and justify an action.
my point in bringing up the fact that both were shit heads is to do away with the ignorant belief that trayvon was some upstanding citizen who could do no wrong.
zimmerman was justified in using deadly force whether trayvon was a shit head or not, it has been proven he is innocent of any charges.
I'm well aware of that
you do it all the time and it's a classic fallacy used by children
Zimmerman was found not guilty mostly due to lack of evidence
I'm sure you'll agree that there are murders walking the street today who are free simply due to lack of evidence
I have no clue why you think "shithead = shithead" is even something worth talking about
The fact is that Zimmerman is the only one of those two with an actual verifiable criminal background and he is the only one who was on academic probation (i.e shitty student) and NONE of that has anything to do with the fact that he beat a murder rap
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I'm well aware of that
you do it all the time and it's a classic fallacy used by children
Zimmerman was found not guilty mostly due to lack of evidence
I'm sure you'll agree that there are murders walking the street today who are free simply due to lack of evidence
I have no clue why you think "shithead = shithead" is even something worth talking about
The fact is that Zimmerman is the only one of those two with an actual verifiable criminal background and he is the only one who was on academic probation (i.e shitty student) and NONE of that has anything to do with the fact that he beat a murder rap
probably for the same reason you feel zimmermans previous run in with the law and college grades are relevant ::)
the fact is your INNOCENT until proven guilty...meaning ZIMMERMAN IS INNOCENT
fact is trayvon abused drugs, was involved in fighting, considered himself a thug, was caught with criminal tools etc.
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probably for the same reason you feel zimmermans previous run in with the law and college grades are relevant ::)
the fact is your INNOCENT until proven guilty...meaning ZIMMERMAN IS INNOCENT
fact is trayvon abused drugs, was involved in fighting, considered himself a thug, was caught with criminal tools etc.
you don't pay attention and I'm almost done wasting my time with you tonight
I never said Tubby's horrible background was relevant and in fact said "NONE of it has anything to do with the fact that he beat a murder rap"
It's the Zimm lovers who constantly bring up Martins past (apparently as if it is some justification to murder him) and then you're the one that brought up the premise of "shit head equivalency" though I still have no idea what point you were trying to make with it
Yes, Martin was found not guilty (that's the actual word they used).
Plenty of murderers are found not guilty and are walking the streets today
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you don't pay attention and I'm almost done wasting my time with you tonight
I never said Tubby's horrible background was relevant and in fact said "NONE of it has anything to do with the fact that he beat a murder rap"
It's the Zimm lovers who constantly bring up Martins past (apparently as if it is some justification to murder him) and then you're the one that brought up the premise of "shit head equivalency" though I still have no idea what point you were trying to make with it
Yes, Martin was found not guilty (that's the actual word they used).
Plenty of murderers are found not guilty and are walking the streets today
why did you bring up zimmermans past then strawman?
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why did you bring up zimmermans past then strawman?
I brought it up on page 71 when asking 333 why he suddenly has so much sympathy for Zimmerman and where was that same sympathy for Martin
I didn't say it had any bearing or meaning
You're the one who brought up "shithead = shithead" and I still don't know why
More importantly, I don't even care anymore
I've realized you don't know why or what you're were trying to say with that premise in the first place
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I brought it up on page 71 when asking 333 why he suddenly has so much sympathy for Zimmerman and where was that same sympathy for Martin
I didn't say it had any bearing or meaning
You're the one who brought up "shithead = shithead" and I still don't know why
More importantly, I don't even care anymore
I've realized you don't know why or what you're were trying to say with that premise in the first place
so you made a comment that had no bearing or meaning?
I brought up the fact that trayvon was a shithead to in order to dispell you ignorant belief that he was an upstanding citizen of the community ::)
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so you made a comment that had no bearing or meaning?
I brought up the fact that trayvon was a shithead to in order to dispell you ignorant belief that he was an upstanding citizen of the community ::)
fuck you are stupid
yes, no bearing or meaning on the outcome of the case
I asked 333 why he now had sympathy where he had none before
I can ask that question without it having to mean anything about the actual case
It's a personal question for 333 about his sudden sympathy where none existed before
jesus your stupidity is annoying
fuck, if I talked about Zimmermans sudden weight gain would your retarded mind assume that I was also trying to make it relevant to the case or the outcome
I'm done explaining shit to you that is OBVIOUS to everyone else
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fuck you are stupid
yes, no bearing or meaning on the outcome of the case
I asked 333 why he now had sympathy where he had none before
I can ask that question without it having to mean anything about the actual case
It's a personal question for 333 about his sudden sympathy where none existed before
jesus your stupidity is annoying
fuck, if I talked about Zimmermans sudden weight gain would your retarded mind assume that I was also trying to make it relevant to the case or the outcome
I'm done explaining shit to you that is OBVIOUS to everyone else
absolutely you can just like I can point out that trayvon is just as big a shithead as zimmerman without it meaning im trying to jusitfy the self defense zimmerman obviously had to use.
youre chasing your tail here little man, run along now and let the adults finish talking
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absolutely you can just like I can point out that trayvon is just as big a shithead as zimmerman without it meaning im trying to jusitfy the self defense zimmerman obviously had to use.
youre chasing your tail here little man, run along now and let the adults finish talking
so you admit you had no actual point when making your "shithead = shithead" statement
thanks once again for proving YET AGAIN what a complete waste of my time it trying to sort out your confused train of thought to find out it leads to another dead end.
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so you admit you had no actual point when making your "shithead = shithead" statement
thanks once again for proving YET AGAIN what a complete waste of my time it trying to sort out your confused train of thought to find out it leads to another dead end.
I have given up on Tony a long time ago.
I honestly think he is a juvenile or living in a cave.
Its obvious he is not used to engage in conversation with grown men.
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One of the worst witnesses of the trial. I wonder why they fired him?
Medical Examiner In Zimmerman Trial Sues For $100M, Claims Prosecution Threw Case
Sep 11, 2013 By Kirsten West Savali
In a bombshell allegation, Florida medical examiner Dr. Shiping Bao (pictured) claims that Florida state prosecutors were biased against Trayvon Martin and purposely threw the case, and he is suing the state for $100 million, reports WFTV.com.
According to Bao, the medical examiner, state attorney’s office, and Sanford Police Department all felt that Martin “got what he deserved.” Bao also claims that he received the strong, though subtle, message not to speak on certain things:
“He was in essence told to zip his lips. ‘Shut up. Don’t say those things,’” said Bao’s legal counsel, legendary Attorney Willie Gary.
Bao’s allegations come swiftly on the heels of him being fired from his position as associate medical examiner.
Volusia County released a letter on Tuesday, stating that Bao was fired last week. Spokesman Dave Byron declined to give a reason for Bao’s termination, citing “county standard personnel practices,” reports CBS News.
Gary said Dr. Bao was made to be a scapegoat and was wrongfully fired from the medical examiner’s office. He said his client was prepared to offer proof that Martin was not the aggressor.
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Gary said prosecutors never asked Dr. Bao a question crucial to their case.
He wanted a question that would have allowed him to explain to the jury with scientific evidence how there was no way Trayvon Martin could have been on top of George Zimmerman, Gary said.
Gary said that question never came.
See WFTV news report below:
As previously reported by NewsOne, on July 13th, a jury of George Zimmerman‘s peers found him not guilty of murder in the shooting death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, who was unarmed on the night of February 26, 2012, when Zimmerman profiled, followed, and ultimately shot him through the heart.
During the trial, Bao offered controversial testimony that conflicted with some of his earlier statements, leaving some in the courtroom shocked:
I believe he was alive for one to 10 minutes after he was shot. His heart was bleeding until there was no blood left,” Bao told prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda.
“His brain is still alive?” prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda asked.
“Yes,” Bao replied.
“He can still feel pain in other words?” the prosecutor asked.
“Yes,” he replied.
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“He was still in pain,” he continued. “He was still in suffering.”
Bao initially reported last fall that he believed Trayvon Martin died within 3 minutes of Zimmerman’s fatal shot.
“If you have new information, new experiences, you read a new book, you change your opinion,” Bao said to Zimmerman defense attorney Don West during cross-examination. “If someone never changes opinion, you can call them mentally retarded. You never learn, right?”
Though Zimmerman’s attorney Mark O’Mara tried to get the case dismissed because there wasn’t a “scintilla” of evidence that supported the charge that his client acted with “ill-will and spite,” prosecutor Rich Mantei disagreed.
“[Zimmerman] had enough in his heart to stop his trip to the grocery store…to get out of his car in the rain, follow him, and then — as the witnesses make clear — pursue him and grab him.”
“There are two people involved here. One of them is dead and one of them is a liar,” the prosecutor said.
As previously reported by NewsOne, juror B29 — known as Maddy — said that she felt Zimmerman was guilty, but prosecutors did not present a strong enough case under Florida law to return a guilty verdict.
Since his highly questionable acquittal, Zimmerman, 29, has been pulled over for speeding at least twice and gone shopping for another firearm at the same manufacturer that made the gun he used to kill Trayvon Martin.
Zimmerman has also been placed in handcuffs for pulling a gun on his soon-to-be ex-wife, Shellie Zimmerman, and for assaulting his father-in-law. Shellie, who has filed for divorce from Zimmerman, says that he feels “invincible” since the verdict.
Now, officially through the impending lawsuit being brought by Bao, the State of Florida will also stand accused of having the blood of Trayvon Martin on its hands.
http://newsone.com/2715972/dr-shiping-bao-lawsuit/
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Fuck Ashtray - sick of hearing about this turd. Dead by 20 regardless.
One of the worst witnesses of the trial. I wonder why they fired him?
Medical Examiner In Zimmerman Trial Sues For $100M, Claims Prosecution Threw Case
Sep 11, 2013 By Kirsten West Savali
In a bombshell allegation, Florida medical examiner Dr. Shiping Bao (pictured) claims that Florida state prosecutors were biased against Trayvon Martin and purposely threw the case, and he is suing the state for $100 million, reports WFTV.com.
According to Bao, the medical examiner, state attorney’s office, and Sanford Police Department all felt that Martin “got what he deserved.” Bao also claims that he received the strong, though subtle, message not to speak on certain things:
“He was in essence told to zip his lips. ‘Shut up. Don’t say those things,’” said Bao’s legal counsel, legendary Attorney Willie Gary.
Bao’s allegations come swiftly on the heels of him being fired from his position as associate medical examiner.
Volusia County released a letter on Tuesday, stating that Bao was fired last week. Spokesman Dave Byron declined to give a reason for Bao’s termination, citing “county standard personnel practices,” reports CBS News.
Gary said Dr. Bao was made to be a scapegoat and was wrongfully fired from the medical examiner’s office. He said his client was prepared to offer proof that Martin was not the aggressor.
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Gary said prosecutors never asked Dr. Bao a question crucial to their case.
He wanted a question that would have allowed him to explain to the jury with scientific evidence how there was no way Trayvon Martin could have been on top of George Zimmerman, Gary said.
Gary said that question never came.
See WFTV news report below:
As previously reported by NewsOne, on July 13th, a jury of George Zimmerman‘s peers found him not guilty of murder in the shooting death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, who was unarmed on the night of February 26, 2012, when Zimmerman profiled, followed, and ultimately shot him through the heart.
During the trial, Bao offered controversial testimony that conflicted with some of his earlier statements, leaving some in the courtroom shocked:
I believe he was alive for one to 10 minutes after he was shot. His heart was bleeding until there was no blood left,” Bao told prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda.
“His brain is still alive?” prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda asked.
“Yes,” Bao replied.
“He can still feel pain in other words?” the prosecutor asked.
“Yes,” he replied.
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“He was still in pain,” he continued. “He was still in suffering.”
Bao initially reported last fall that he believed Trayvon Martin died within 3 minutes of Zimmerman’s fatal shot.
“If you have new information, new experiences, you read a new book, you change your opinion,” Bao said to Zimmerman defense attorney Don West during cross-examination. “If someone never changes opinion, you can call them mentally retarded. You never learn, right?”
Though Zimmerman’s attorney Mark O’Mara tried to get the case dismissed because there wasn’t a “scintilla” of evidence that supported the charge that his client acted with “ill-will and spite,” prosecutor Rich Mantei disagreed.
“[Zimmerman] had enough in his heart to stop his trip to the grocery store…to get out of his car in the rain, follow him, and then — as the witnesses make clear — pursue him and grab him.”
“There are two people involved here. One of them is dead and one of them is a liar,” the prosecutor said.
As previously reported by NewsOne, juror B29 — known as Maddy — said that she felt Zimmerman was guilty, but prosecutors did not present a strong enough case under Florida law to return a guilty verdict.
Since his highly questionable acquittal, Zimmerman, 29, has been pulled over for speeding at least twice and gone shopping for another firearm at the same manufacturer that made the gun he used to kill Trayvon Martin.
Zimmerman has also been placed in handcuffs for pulling a gun on his soon-to-be ex-wife, Shellie Zimmerman, and for assaulting his father-in-law. Shellie, who has filed for divorce from Zimmerman, says that he feels “invincible” since the verdict.
Now, officially through the impending lawsuit being brought by Bao, the State of Florida will also stand accused of having the blood of Trayvon Martin on its hands.
http://newsone.com/2715972/dr-shiping-bao-lawsuit/
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Trayvon Martin's mother testifies against 'stand your ground' laws
Published October 29, 2013
FoxNews.com
WASHINGTON – Trayvon Martin's mother testified Tuesday on Capitol Hill that so-called "stand-your-ground" laws do not work and should be changed.
The testimony by Sybrina Fulton revived the controversy over both her son's death and state gun laws. Martin's mother told the panel that she attended the hearing so senators can "at least put a face with what has happened with this tragedy."
"I just wanted to come here to...let you know how important it is that we amend this stand your ground because it certainly did not work in my case," Fulton said, speaking without consulting prepared remarks. "The person that shot and killed my son is walking the streets today. This law does not work."
Florida's "stand-your-ground" law, however, was not raised by the defense during the trial of shooter George Zimmerman, who claimed he acted in self-defense and was being attacked at the time.
Stand-your-ground laws typically allow those who feel threatened to use deadly force even if they have the option to run away.
Republicans, led by Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas, said the matter, though, should be left to the states that passed the laws.
"The states are doing quite well...without our interference," Rep. Louie Gohmert testified to the Senate Judiciary Committee.
Said Cruz: "This is not about politicking. This is not about inflaming racial tensions. This is about the right of everyone to protect themselves and protect their families." Cruz made reference to statistics he said which show that blacks cite stand your ground laws at least as often as whites.
Race and politics were woven into the event and in the broader public policy debate. There's little willingness in Congress to weigh in on the laws of 22 states that have some form of the policy. These laws generally cancel a person's duty to retreat in the face of a serious physical attack.
But members of Congress are busily engaged in their re-election efforts for next year's midterms, with 35 seats at stake in the Senate, all 435 seats in the GOP-controlled House and the majorities of both chambers hanging in the balance. Gun control is a politically divisive issue, more so in the wake of mass shootings in Newtown, Conn., the Washington Navy Yard and more.
The 2012 shooting death of Martin, 17 and unarmed, and the acquittal this year of neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman stirred racial tensions and sparked debate over stand your ground laws in Florida and at least 21 other states.
Lucia Holman McBath, the mother of Jordan Russell Davis, implored the Senate to resolve the nation's debate. Her son, 17-year old Jordan, was shot and killed nearly a year ago when Michael David Dunn, 46, allegedly opened fire on a Dodge Durango with four teenagers inside after complaining of their loud music and saying he saw a gun and thus a threat. Jordan had been inside. Authorities never found a gun in the vehicle, the Florida Times-Union reported. Dunn's trial is set for next year.
"You can lift this nation from its internal battle in which guns rule over right," McBath told the panel.
According to the National Conference of State Legislatures, 22 states have laws that allow that "there is no duty to retreat (from) an attacker in any place in which one is lawfully present." The states are Alabama, Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah and West Virginia, according to the NCSL.
At least nine of those state laws include language stating one may "stand his or her ground": Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania and South Carolina, according to the NCSL.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/10/29/trayvon-martin-mother-calls-on-states-to-clarify-stand-your-ground-laws/?intcmp=latestnews
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...trayvon is just as big a shithead as zimmerman...
Ninja, please!! Quit with the false equivalencies!
See if this makes sense to you: Whenever you say, "X is just as <insert adjective here> as Y", you will always technically be at least a little bit wrong unless X is exactly equal to Y. And whichever party, between X and Y, actually is worse, then that party will be happy with you. Is that too fine a distinction for you to make? It shouldn't be.
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Ninja, please!! Quit with the false equivalencies!
See if this makes sense to you: Whenever you say, "X is just as <insert adjective here> as Y", you will always technically be at least a little bit wrong unless X is exactly equal to Y. And whichever party, between X and Y, actually is worse, then that party will be happy with you. Is that too fine a distinction for you to make? It shouldn't be.
very common practice by right wingers on this board
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Ninja, please!! Quit with the false equivalencies!
See if this makes sense to you: Whenever you say, "X is just as <insert adjective here> as Y", you will always technically be at least a little bit wrong unless X is exactly equal to Y. And whichever party, between X and Y, actually is worse, then that party will be happy with you. Is that too fine a distinction for you to make? It shouldn't be.
false equivilency?
ahhh you deny trayvon was a shithead?
you deny that he had a hand in his own death?
very common practice by right wingers on this board
something I picked up from my libtard friends on the board...does "yadda yadda yadda, bush bush bush" ring a bell?
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November 04, 2013, 05:28 pm
Holder: Trayvon charges still possible
By Ben Goad
U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder on Monday said the Justice Department has not decided whether to file federal civil rights charges against George Zimmerman in the 2012 killing of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.
Zimmerman, a volunteer neighborhood watchman who shot and killed Martin in an incident that captured national interest, was acquitted of murder charges in July. But the Justice Department could still pursue a federal civil rights case.
Holder said the agency’s investigation is under way.
“I'm not sure exactly how much longer that will take, but we will get to a point where we are able to make a determination,” he told reporters at an unrelated news conference at the agency’s headquarters.
Holder, during an April speech to the Rev. Al Sharpton’s National Action Network, pledged to “take appropriate action” if the agency finds evidence of a potential federal civil rights crime in the Zimmerman case.
However, he has since cautioned that the Justice Department faces a “very high barrier” in pursuing federal criminal charges in such cases.
On Monday, he noted that the courts had already weighed in Zimmerman’s case.
"The case of George Zimmerman — and what happens there — I think a substantial part was resolved in the case that was tried," Holder said.
http://thehill.com/blogs/regwatch/administration/189207-holder-won’t-rule-out-federal-charges-against-george-zimmerman
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false equivilency?
ahhh you deny trayvon was a shithead?
Deny trayvon was a shithead? No, dummy. Is that really what I wrote suggests to you? (Here's a question that might give you a hint about what I wrote: What does "just as" mean?)
Have you ever had your IQ tested? If so, what was it? I'm really interested to know this.
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Deny trayvon was a shithead? No, dummy. Is that really what I wrote suggests to you? (Here's a question that might give you a hint about what I wrote: What does "just as" mean?)
Have you ever had your IQ tested? If so, what was it? I'm really interested to know this.
it was a question as your statement left the answer the question unknown,
For someone who thinks so highly of themself, you really are a dumb ass
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it was a question as your statement left the answer the question unknown,
For someone who thinks so highly of themself, you really are a dumb ass
"it was a question as your statement left the answer the question unknown,"?
Possible reasonable replies:
- Incoherent retard says what?
- I'll need you to diagram that sentence for me, please.
- English, guy! Do you speak it!?
- Please stop drinking and posting on work nights, ok?
- Is this a clever joke by following up an ungrammatical sentence with incoherent syntax by calling ME a "dumb ass". (What is a "dumb ass" anyway, you scholar, a mute donkey?)
- That comment of yours proves that spelling, grammar, and syntax are important; Without them, no one knows what the fuck you're talking about.
Seriously now, why do you come to getbig at all? You're obviously not into bodybuilding or any other iron sports. You don't use hormones (obviously) and say you never have. So what brought you to this board? I know you've been here a while, but I'm wondering why you came in the first place. (Have you been kicked off all the fake national judo champion boards out there or something?) Speaking of judo, quick!; Let's hear the japanese and american names for your favorite 3 judo throws with some little detail that one would only know from experience. Also, who's your favorite current judo player from the USA? From Japan?
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"it was a question as your statement left the answer the question unknown,"?
Possible reasonable replies:
- Incoherent retard says what?
- I'll need you to diagram that sentence for me, please.
- English, guy! Do you speak it!?
- Please stop drinking and posting on work nights, ok?
- Is this a clever joke by following up an ungrammatical sentence with incoherent syntax by calling ME a "dumb ass". (What is a "dumb ass" anyway, you scholar, a mute donkey?)
- That comment of yours proves that spelling, grammar, and syntax are important; Without them, no one knows what the fuck you're talking about.
Seriously now, why do you come to getbig at all? You're obviously not into bodybuilding or any other iron sports. You don't use hormones (obviously) and say you never have. So what brought you to this board? I know you've been here a while, but I'm wondering why you came in the first place. (Have you been kicked off all the fake national judo champion boards out there or something?) Speaking of judo, quick!; Let's hear the japanese and american names for your favorite 3 judo throws with some little detail that one would only know from experience. Also, who's your favorite current judo player from the USA? From Japan?
Hahah yes I know only ppl on getbig are juice monsters who are so huge and in shape they refrain from posting pics just like yourself to keep from shaming ppl like me.
Only problem is your a faceless gimmick.
I am getting closer to getting to who you are though, you're overplaying your hand
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Hahah yes I know only ppl on getbig are juice monsters who are so huge and in shape they refrain from posting pics just like yourself to keep from shaming ppl like me.
Only problem is your a faceless gimmick.
I am getting closer to getting to who you are though, you're overplaying your hand
Wait, you want to know who I am? Is that the case? If so, PM me. We can add each other on facebook. (I don't hate you, I just think you're a young guy who hasn't completely matured yet. And I was worse than you at one point, I think.)
Other than the juice thing, I've got nothing to hide. At this point in my life, I try really hard not to lie or even exaggerate about myself. (This was not always the case.) It's just not mentally healthy, imo. Nowadays, the only time when it might be ok to rationalize lying about one's self is in the pursuit of poontang -- And this doesn't apply to me because I've been very happily married for the last 4 years.
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Hahah yes I know only ppl on getbig are juice monsters who are so huge and in shape they refrain from posting pics just like yourself to keep from shaming ppl like me.
Only problem is your a faceless gimmick.
I am getting closer to getting to who you are though, you're overplaying your hand
Anyway, c'mon: Answer the judo questions, will ya? Should be simple for a guy of your alleged experience. Bet I could answer similar questions about BJJ/MMA or Bodybuilding with no problems...despite not even being a former MMA or bodybuilding national champ!
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Florida House subcommittee votes 11-2 to uphold ‘Stand Your Ground’ law
November 8, 2013
by Twitchy Staff
A Florida House subcommittee voted 11-2 today to retain the state’s controversial Stand Your Ground law. The hearing followed a month-long occupation of the state’s capitol building after the George Zimmerman verdict by a group called the Dream Defenders, as well as visits of support by Harry Belafonte, rapper Talib Kweli and Jesse Jackson. The law also inspired statewide boycotts by Stevie Wonder and Dionne Warwick.
The Florida Sheriffs Association stood by the law, as did Florida Gov. Rick Scott, and in fact, the panel voted to slightly expand the law to include warning shots.
NBC News Tampa reports:
At least 22 states currently have stand-your-ground laws.
The House committee also considered a separate measure at the hearing involving deadly force — eliminating punishment for defensively displaying a weapon and firing warning shots.
The panel approved the expansion of the ”stand your ground” immunity to people who fire a warning shot. Under the measure, individuals are exempt from Florida’s mandatory minimum sentencing provisions for discharging a firearm when used only as a warning.
http://twitchy.com/2013/11/08/florida-house-subcommittee-votes-11-2-to-uphold-stand-your-ground-law/
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As they should have.
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Trayvon's case had nothing to do with stand your ground. Zimmerman tried to use it initially, the author of the bill mocked it, and then he changed his mind.
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Zimmerman says in court filing he has at least $2 million in debts and liabilities
Published November 19, 2013
Associated Press
SANFORD, FLA. – George Zimmerman says in a court affidavit that he has liabilities and debts of at least $2 million.
Zimmerman filed the affidavit for indigency Tuesday so that he could hire public defenders. The application says he has less than $150 in cash on hand and doesn't have an income.
Zimmerman was arrested Monday on charges of aggravated assault, battery and criminal mischief after his girlfriend told deputies that he had pointed a shotgun at him, pushed her out of the house they shared and smashed a coffee table.
He was released from jail Tuesday afternoon, just hours after a judge set bail of $9,000.
Zimmerman was acquitted earlier this year of fatally shooting Trayvon Martin.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/11/19/zimmerman-says-in-court-filing-has-at-least-2-million-in-debts-and-liabilities/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+foxnews%2Fnational+%28Internal+-+US+Latest+-+Text%29
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LOL @ thread title demonizing trayvon.
We need a new one for the latest incident... "pregnant felony assault victim - Loud, bloated tattletale"
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LOL @ thread title demonizing trayvon.
We need a new one for the latest incident... "pregnant felony assault victim - Loud, bloated tattletale"
hahah only in the mind of a libtard are presenting facts considered demonizing
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George Zimmerman's Estranged Wife: He's 'Like A Ticking Time Bomb'
Posted: 11/21/2013 1:15 pm EST | Updated: 11/21/2013
George Zimmerman's estranged wife says the infamous neighborhood watch guard is now acting "like a monster."
In an interview with Katie Couric, Shellie Zimmerman described how she hopes there are "no more casualties" caused by her husband's erratic behavior. She also remembers how the couple was very much in love when they first married.
"We were great friends and I thought he was a wonderful person -- that's why I married him," she said Thursday on "Katie."
WATCH: THE WHOLE INTERVIEW ON "KATIE"
But Shellie, who who filed for divorce on Tuesday says she hasn't seen her husband in a few months, and it now seems like something has "snapped in his spirit."
"I hope that there's no violence, but he does seem like a ticking time bomb," said of her husband, who was acquitted in the 2012 shooting of Travon Martin. "I know I'm certainly afraid. I just hope that he can get, maybe, the help that he needs to deal with his situation, and the no one else will be hurt."
Shellie's TV appearance comes just three days after authorities arrested her husband for allegedly threatening his girlfriend with a shotgun and smashing a glass table during a domestic dispute.
The incident prompted police in Florida to arrest George Zimmerman and charge him with aggravated assault, battery, and criminal mischief. He has since been released.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/21/shellie-zimmerman_n_4316412.html
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I think we can all agree that zimmerman is a bully that uses guns to intimate old men and pregnant women, shoves police officers, lies to judges and is accused of domestic abuse -
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On the day he shot trayvon, he wasn't using his gun as a bully, he wasn't instigating a confrontation, and he only lied about so many details because the liberal media sucks.
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Next story: Zimmerman takes dump in public restroom. News at 11.
Search in George Zimmerman case turns up weapons, ammunition
From John Couwels, CNN
Mon November 25, 2013
(CNN) -- A recent search of the home of George Zimmerman's girlfriend uncovered five weapons, including an AR-15, and more than 100 rounds of ammunition, court documents filed Monday show.
Zimmerman, acquitted in the death of Trayvon Martin this year, was arrested last week at the home, which he shares with his girlfriend, on suspicion of his having pointed a shotgun at her.
He was released on bail and has entered a plea of not guilty.
A search of the home turned up three handguns, a 12-gauge shotgun, a rifle and 106 rounds of ammunition, including two AR-15 magazines, according to a search warrant.
Three handgun holsters, a pack of gum, a religious pendant, a flashlight, a pocket knife, sanitizing wipe, a soft-sided gun case and a combination lock were also recovered during the search.
At the time of his arrest, Zimmerman had two cell phones. An affidavit, filed Monday, says he told authorities he recorded the altercation with his girlfriend on his cell phone.
The Florida judge that set his bail put numerous conditions on it:
-- Zimmerman cannot go to two Florida addresses.
-- He cannot have contact with the accuser, Samantha Scheibe.
-- He cannot possess weapons.
-- He must wear a monitoring device.
-- He cannot travel outside Florida.
Zimmerman fatally shot Martin in the Sanford neighborhood where Zimmerman and Martin's father lived in February 2012.
Zimmerman, who is Hispanic, had a confrontation with the unarmed African-American teen after calling police to report a suspicious person and he said he shot Martin, 17, in self-defense.
Zimmerman was acquitted by a six-person jury in July on second-degree murder and manslaughter charges.
The high-profile case sparked a heated nationwide discussion of race as well as debate over Florida's "stand your ground" law.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/25/us/florida-george-zimmerman-evidence/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
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"He cannot possess weapons."
This is his FIFTH arrest for a violent crime. I know, an arrest is not a conviction, but sheesh. He's still packing heat.
He will have his guns back in no time, fear not. The heroic and amazing and beautiful man, occasional obama voter and beater of elderly and women shall return to keep the streets safe.
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"He cannot possess weapons."
This is his FIFTH arrest for a violent crime. I know, an arrest is not a conviction, but sheesh. He's still packing heat.
He will have his guns back in no time, fear not. The heroic and amazing and beautiful man, occasional obama voter and beater of elderly and women shall return to keep the streets safe.
What are the five arrests for violent crimes?
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"He cannot possess weapons."
This is his FIFTH arrest for a violent crime. I know, an arrest is not a conviction, but sheesh. He's still packing heat.
He will have his guns back in no time, fear not. The heroic and amazing and beautiful man, occasional obama voter and beater of elderly and women shall return to keep the streets safe.
Convictions are more important than arrests
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At the time of his arrest, Zimmerman had two cell phones. An affidavit, filed Monday, says he told authorities he recorded the altercation with his girlfriend on his cell phone.
Should be interesting.
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What are the five arrests for violent crimes?
Might be 4. let's see... assault on LEO, domestic abuse, the trayvon shooting, beating up an old man a few months back (might not have been charged on that one) and this arrest for domestic abuse.
honestly, he's a morally corrupt man. I cannot believe people still defend him. I guess the world needs more actual heroes, cause zimmerman is certainly not one.
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hahahah this shit is hilarious......
The thought patterns and inconsistencies, its just wild
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Who gives a shit - really?
Two good for nothings met at the wrong time and place and one died and the other will die or be in jail soon.
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Might be 4. let's see... assault on LEO, domestic abuse, the trayvon shooting, beating up an old man a few months back (might not have been charged on that one) and this arrest for domestic abuse.
honestly, he's a morally corrupt man. I cannot believe people still defend him. I guess the world needs more actual heroes, cause zimmerman is certainly not one.
So was Trayvon. Well, in his case, he was a corrupt boy. Yet, you acted as if he was an angel sent from heaven above.
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So was Trayvon. Well, in his case, he was a corrupt boy. Yet, you acted as if he was an angel sent from heaven above.
LMAO! Sorry, but I was VERY clear I thought they were both pieces of shit.
trayvon was a drug dealer who illegally posed with guns, right? Sounds like a dude that belonged in prison for his crimes.
Zimmerman's criminal record speaks for itself.
Sounds like maybe they were both pieces of shit, right? I love how people just NEED to pick a side.
wow, you're emotionally involved in this case pretty heavily, huh?
both people involved were pieces of shit. zimmerman shoved cops and punched women and stuck his fingers inside the vagina of his underage cousin. I'm surprised you would back him so intensely. I'm not calling trayvon an angel - he was a POS thug. But so was zimmerman.
Oh I see. Did zimmerman ever mention RACE when it came to the bike thieves or trespassers? I'm pretty sure he used black and african-american many times. Many times.
They were both ignorant pieces of shit that let race, prejudice, and stereotpes and profiling lead them to a very bad path. But only one of them admitted he was chasing the other one down that path...
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Might be 4. let's see... assault on LEO, domestic abuse, the trayvon shooting, beating up an old man a few months back (might not have been charged on that one) and this arrest for domestic abuse.
honestly, he's a morally corrupt man. I cannot believe people still defend him. I guess the world needs more actual heroes, cause zimmerman is certainly not one.
He was arrested when he and his girlfriend took out civil TROs against each other?
When was the arrest for beating up an old man a few months back?
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hahahah this shit is hilarious......
The thought patterns and inconsistencies, its just wild
Yeah. Imagine people being on the side of law and order. Crazy.
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He was arrested when he and his girlfriend took out civil TROs against each other?
When was the arrest for beating up an old man a few months back?
He wasn't arrested, and I already corrected myself on that. dont be a dick.
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He wasn't arrested, and I already corrected myself on that. dont be a dick.
I see, Pinocchio. So he was arrested three times, not five? You should experiment with telling the truth. It's not that hard.
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I see, Pinocchio. So he was arrested three times, not five? You should experiment with telling the truth. It's not that hard.
see, you're just being a dick. When another man admits he's wrong, take the win. Sheesh, I disagree with you on a lot of topics... but when a dude says "Oops, I was wrong", and you continue to go at him?
Well sir, that's just poor debate etiquette. You're a better man than that, BB.
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see, you're just being a dick. When another man admits he's wrong, take the win. Sheesh, I disagree with you on a lot of topics... but when a dude says "Oops, I was wrong", and you continue to go at him?
Well sir, that's just poor debate etiquette. You're a better man than that, BB.
False
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see, you're just being a dick. When another man admits he's wrong, take the win. Sheesh, I disagree with you on a lot of topics... but when a dude says "Oops, I was wrong", and you continue to go at him?
Well sir, that's just poor debate etiquette. You're a better man than that, BB.
You cannot even keep your lies straight. Here is what you said:
Might be 4. let's see... assault on LEO, domestic abuse, the trayvon shooting, beating up an old man a few months back (might not have been charged on that one) and this arrest for domestic abuse.
honestly, he's a morally corrupt man. I cannot believe people still defend him. I guess the world needs more actual heroes, cause zimmerman is certainly not one.
You claimed he was arrested for "domestic abuse." False.
You said he was arrested for "beating up an old man a few months back." I asked you to clarify that.
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False
WWTD?
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And if we want to get technical...
http://rollingout.com/culture/george-zimmerman-son-of-a-retired-judge-has-3-closed-arrests/
Three arrests PRIOR to Trayvon. (3)
Arrested in Trayvon shooting. (1)
Arrest November 2013 on charges of aggravated assault, battery and criminal mischief. (1)
So um....
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And if we want to get technical...
http://rollingout.com/culture/george-zimmerman-son-of-a-retired-judge-has-3-closed-arrests/
Three arrests PRIOR to Trayvon. (3)
Arrested in Trayvon shooting. (1)
Arrest November 2013 on charges of aggravated assault, battery and criminal mischief. (1)
So um....
How many convictions? I honestly don't know.
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And if we want to get technical...
http://rollingout.com/culture/george-zimmerman-son-of-a-retired-judge-has-3-closed-arrests/
Three arrests PRIOR to Trayvon. (3)
Arrested in Trayvon shooting. (1)
Arrest November 2013 on charges of aggravated assault, battery and criminal mischief. (1)
So um....
He wasn't arrested for domestic violence. So um . . . Tell the truth much?
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How many convictions? I honestly don't know.
zimm is invincible, nobody doubts his ability to dodge these arrests. plead em, counter charge em, beat the rap, smash the ipad with evidence, blame the gun on the bodyguard...
He's an obama voter that doesn't respect the law. Typical. What I can't understand is why so many "repubs" love the dude so much.
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How many convictions? I honestly don't know.
I think he might have been convicted of disturbing the peace or resisting arrest without violence? Something like that.
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He wasn't arrested for domestic violence. So um . . . Tell the truth much?
Just to be clear - we're moving on from the #5 number? Cause this is another argument, and I'm cool with that, but you did call me names and once I looked it up, well, that #5 stood out.
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Convictions are more important than arrests
unless you're Travon Martin
In his case no arrests or convictions but still our right wing friends think he was a criminal and deserved to be shot to death for the crime of walking home while be black and wearing a hoodie
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Luckily for zimm, the statute of limitations had run out, and he couldn't be charged with TEN YEARS of MOLESTATION & INCEST.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/post/zimmermans-appalling-and-irrelevant-sexual-assault/2012/07/17/gJQAceoGrW_blog.html
OMG... this dude is seriously a piece of shit. I can't even look at him. Molesting... just disgusting. How anyone can take this guys' side and endorse pedophilia is beyond me.
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zimm is invincible, nobody doubts his ability to dodge these arrests. plead em, counter charge em, beat the rap, smash the ipad with evidence, blame the gun on the bodyguard...
He's an obama voter that doesn't respect the law. Typical. What I can't understand is why so many "repubs" love the dude so much.
Republicans and by extension white people had the guy thrust upon them. Hispanics, which zim identifies as, didn't go within a thousand miles of the guy. Hispanic can't jeopardize the tenuous coalition they have with blacks until after immigration reform is handled.
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Just to be clear - we're moving on from the #5 number? Cause this is another argument, and I'm cool with that, but you did call me names and once I looked it up, well, that #5 stood out.
Dude I really don't care. I was going to call you a liar when I first read your comments saying he had been arrested five times, but I gave you the benefit of the doubt and asked first. Turns out you were just embellishing as usual. It's really easy to make a point without embellishing. Or outright lying.
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Republicans and by extension white people had the guy thrust upon them. Hispanics, which zim identifies as, didn't go within a thousand miles of the guy. Hispanic can't jeopardize the tenuous coalition they have with blacks until after immigration reform is handled.
I don't think the case was a Republican/Democrat issue. It was a Sharpton/media-created race issue.
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unless you're Travon Martin
In his case no arrests or convictions but still our right wing friends think he was a criminal and deserved to be shot to death for the crime of walking home while be black and wearing a hoodie
I don't know what was going through Zims mind.
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I don't think the case was a Republican/Democrat issue. It was a Sharpton/media-created race issue.
Yeah, I can see that. Gun rights advocates react to these kinds of incidents because they know they will be distorted and manipulated by gun control advocates. I still think he was forced on white people.
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I don't know what was going through Zims mind.
I was referring to the posters on this board who like to portray Martin as a criminal who deserved to be shot to death
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Yeah, I can see that. Gun rights advocates react to these kinds of incidents because they know they will be distorted and manipulated by gun control advocates. I still think he was forced on white people.
The media really wanted him to be white. They eventually started calling him "Zimmerman, who identifies himself as Hispanic."
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I was referring to the posters on this board who like to portray Martin as a criminal who deserved to be shot to death
:'(
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Yeah, I can see that. Gun rights advocates react to these kinds of incidents because they know they will be distorted and manipulated by gun control advocates. I still think he was forced on white people.
ya know Rush & FOX must have look at zimmerman - with a history of accusations of incest, molestation, assault on LEO and females.... and felt a little silly demonizing trayvon, with zero arrests, for boasting about pot and boxing.
I feel bad for getbiggers that had to do the same. So entrenched in their positions, they still can't just call zimm a bag of shit.
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The media really wanted him to be white. They eventually started calling him "Zimmerman, who identifies himself as Hispanic."
Or the gem used by MSNBC, white-Hispanic. They couldn't have been more transparent. I wonder when they will start referring to the president as a white-African.
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ya know Rush & FOX must have look at zimmerman - with a history of accusations of incest, molestation, assault on LEO and females.... and felt a little silly demonizing trayvon, with zero arrests, for boasting about pot and boxing.
I feel bad for getbiggers that had to do the same. So entrenched in their positions, they still can't just call zimm a bag of shit.
Forced to take a side on a subject that is meaningless in the scheme of things.
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Or the gem used by MSNBC, white-Hispanic. They couldn't have been more transparent. I wonder when they will start referring to the president as a white-African.
lol. Forgot about that one. The media is always race-baiting.
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MOLESTATION & INCEST.
>:(
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Funny how the Obama drones log 100x more posts on this idiotic case than they do obamacare
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I don't know what was going through Zims mind.
All the wrong things, let's put it that way.
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Funny how the Obama drones log 100x more posts on this idiotic case than they do obamacare
Or the ko game thread.
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Funny how the Obama drones log 100x more posts on this idiotic case than they do obamacare
well if you post inaccurate shit and i call you on it re obamacare...and its right there in black and white....you dont even own up to it..so whats the point?
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well if you post inaccurate shit and i call you on it re obamacare...and its right there in black and white....you dont even own up to it..so whats the point?
But Ashtray case is black and white got it. ::) ::) ::)
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But Ashtray case is black and white got it. ::) ::) ::)
no...in all my posts...i never said white and black...i never ever said that
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no...in all my posts...i never said white and black...i never ever said that
You never said outright but is that why this case means something to you? I'm asking a serious question.
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But Ashtray case is black and white got it. ::) ::) ::)
Hey! That was kind of funny!
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You never said outright but is that why this case means something to you? I'm asking a serious question.
Not at all...i would think the same if it was black on white because of the circumstances. Ive been on this board for 7 years and ive always been consistant. I look at facts and data to come to a conclusion. Race means actually nothing to me. Im not going to go on my rant on why racists are subhuman.
My interest in the case has to do with a man, who followed a kid, provoked an altercation, shot the kid and then said it was self defense.
Thats my beef.
And then the people who say
"but but he smoked weed" What does that have to do with that situation and why he deserved to die
"But he was suspended from school" again how does that factor into the fact that if the shooter would have listened to the official the kid would still be alive
"but he has gold teeth" Agian.. why did he have to die..
I coach highschool ball players in the innercity, they are kids and do dumb shit.. To be killed and their unrelated bad decisions are pointed out to be justification of their early demise is sickening to me. Ive kids that were hot heads and trouble makers at 17 but at 23 have graduated college or have gotten their act together and now are on the straight and narrow. Trayvon never got that chance.
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LMFAO!!!! Ha ha ha ha ha - re read what you wrote
Not at all...i would think the same if it was black on white because of the circumstances. Ive been on this board for 7 years and ive always been consistant. I look at facts and data to come to a conclusion. Race means actually nothing to me. Im not going to go on my rant on why racists are subhuman.
My interest in the case has to do with a man, who followed a kid, provoked an altercation, shot the kid and then said it was self defense.
Thats my beef.
And then the people who say
"but but he smoked weed" What does that have to do with that situation and why he deserved to die
"But he was suspended from school" again how does that factor into the fact that if the shooter would have listened to the official the kid would still be alive
"but he has gold teeth" Agian.. why did he have to die..
I coach highschool ball players in the innercity, they are kids and do dumb shit.. To be killed and their unrelated bad decisions are pointed out to be justification of their early demise is sickening to me. Ive kids that were hot heads and trouble makers at 17 but at 23 have graduated college or have gotten their act together and now are on the straight and narrow. Trayvon never got that chance.
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LMFAO!!!! Ha ha ha ha ha - re read what you wrote
i did
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LMFAO!!!! Ha ha ha ha ha - re read what you wrote
I'm not clear on why you want folks to think you're laughing here. Option D seems to be saying that drawing conclusions about what type of person someone will become based on their conduct as a 17-year old is premature and, no matter what, Trayvon's indiscretions shouldn't be a death sentence anyway.
I think both points are good. After all, George was the adult in that situation and should have been able to avoid a physical confrontation with a young man about whom he knew almost nothing.
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I'm not clear on why you want folks to think you're laughing here. Option D seems to be saying that drawing conclusions about what type of person someone will become based on their conduct as a 17-year old is premature and, no matter what, Trayvon's indiscretions shouldn't be a death sentence anyway.
I think both points are good. After all, George was the adult in that situation and should have been able to avoid a physical confrontation with a young man about whom he knew almost nothing.
Nobody is saying his conduct deserved a death sentence. And it's silly to try and pick any one part of Martin's bad behavior and say that because of that conduct he "deserved to die." That's just hyperbole designed to deflect attention away from the fact Martin was a thug who was responsible for his own death.
No, a 17 year-old smoking weed every week doesn't deserve to be shot because he is smoking weed. But the fact he smoked is all part of the narrative. Same with the fact Martin was suspended from school for having burglary tools and women's jewelry and for fighting. No, that doesn't mean he deserved to die. What it does show is this makes it more likely that the kid was prone to start a confrontation with someone.
Same with his fighting. He was bragging about beating someone up and breaking their nose just weeks before he was killed. You have to put blinders on to ignore those facts. Does that mean he deserved to die? Of course not. Does it tend to show he was more likely to be the one beating the crap out of a stranger, breaking his nose, etc.? Of course.
What I'm not afraid to do is call things exactly as I see them. The case was tragic, but that kid was a thug. He is not Emmitt Till (as some compared him to). ::) It should be a lesson to teenaged kids to not beat up strangers.
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Nobody is saying his conduct deserved a death sentence. And it's silly to try and pick any one part of Martin's bad behavior and say that because of that conduct he "deserved to die." That's just hyperbole designed to deflect attention away from the fact Martin was a thug who was responsible for his own death.
No, a 17 year-old smoking weed every week doesn't deserve to be shot because he is smoking weed. But the fact he smoked is all part of the narrative. Same with the fact Martin was suspended from school for having burglary tools and women's jewelry and for fighting. No, that doesn't mean he deserved to die. What it does show is this makes it more likely that the kid was prone to start a confrontation with someone.
Same with his fighting. He was bragging about beating someone up and breaking their nose just weeks before he was killed. You have to put blinders on to ignore those facts. Does that mean he deserved to die? Of course not. Does it tend to show he was more likely to be the one beating the crap out of a stranger, breaking his nose, etc.? Of course.
What I'm not afraid to do is call things exactly as I see them. The case was tragic, but that kid was a thug. He is not Emmitt Till (as some compared him to). ::) It should be a lesson to teenaged kids to not beat up strangers.
You keep saying "beating up a stranger" but my rub is how he encountered the ARMED stranger...How they crossed paths and under what circumstances did they cross. I cant run up on mike tyson start a fight get my ass kicked and then shoot him and say "self defense"
To me thats the problem not black and white.
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You keep saying "beating up a stranger" but my rub is how he encountered the ARMED stranger...How they crossed paths and under what circumstances did they cross. I cant run up on mike tyson start a fight get my ass kicked and then shoot him and say "self defense"
To me thats the problem not black and white.
If you look at all of the facts, including the background of both men, warts and all, the reasonable conclusion is Martin started the fight by false cracking Zimmerman.
Zimmerman wasn't strong or skilled enough to start a fight. The owner of the gym where Zimmerman trained said that even after a year, Zimmerman was too soft and too unskilled to put in the ring to spar with anyone. No way that marshmallow was going to start a fight.
Martin, on the other hand, was a punk. You should look at the text messages that didn't get admitted into evidence. He was talking about beating up someone the same way he beat up Zimmerman.
Do you honestly believe that kid didn't start a physical confrontation with Zimmerman?
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If you look at all of the facts, including the background of both men, warts and all, the reasonable conclusion is Martin started the fight by false cracking Zimmerman.
Zimmerman wasn't strong or skilled enough to start a fight. The owner of the gym where Zimmerman trained said that even after a year, Zimmerman was too soft and too unskilled to put in the ring to spar with anyone. No way that marshmallow was going to start a fight.
Martin, on the other hand, was a punk. You should look at the text messages that didn't get admitted into evidence. He was talking about beating up someone the same way he beat up Zimmerman.
Do you honestly believe that kid didn't start a physical confrontation with Zimmerman?
I do think when you have a gun, that evens the playing field and provides steel courage.
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I do think when you have a gun, that evens the playing field and provides steel courage.
Wait. So you think Zimmerman, knowing he couldn't fight and was a limp noodle, started a fight, then started yelling for help, then shot Martin only after he started getting his butt kicked? And he did this because he knew he had a gun?
That really doesn't make sense. Why not just pull the gun and point it at the dude at the jump, if the gun gave him "steel courage"?
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Wait. So you think Zimmerman, knowing he couldn't fight and was a limp noodle, started a fight, then started yelling for help, then shot Martin only after he started getting his butt kicked? And he did this because he knew he had a gun?
That really doesn't make sense. Why not just pull the gun and point it at the dude at the jump, if the gun gave him "steel courage"?
I wonder how their paths crossed...Trayvon was just in the mood to beat up random people and just happened to run up on zimmerman?
Im just not sure
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I wonder how their paths crossed...Trayvon was just in the mood to beat up random people and just happened to run up on zimmerman?
Im just not sure
Zimmerman thought the kid looked suspicious because he was sort of loitering and didn't look familiar. And after Martin was shot, none of the neighbors could identify him, so the fact he thought Martin looked out of place was correct.
No question Zimmerman was following him at some point. Martin didn't like that. That's why instead of running home, he confronted Zimmerman. If you look at the distance to where Martin started running and his dad's house, it was like running a 40. He could have run back and forth to that point about ten times. He didn't run home. If he had, he'd still be alive.
But at the end of the day, it doesn't matter who started the confrontation. You don't get to beat the crap out of someone, breaking their nose, slamming their head on the ground, without allowing the person getting pummeled to defend themselves by any means necessary. That's what self defense allowed Zimmerman to do.
And I'm sure you've been hit in the nose. You know exactly what that does to your eyes. I got hit once through my face mask and ran straight to the sidelines after the play, for one play, because I couldn't see. Watery eyes. Wore a shield after that. But if Zimmerman had the normal reaction to being punched in the nose, he is on his back, getting pummeled, and cannot see.
He was also yelling for help, saw the neighbor look at him, then go back in the house. That's when he shot the kid.
What else would you expect him to do in that situation? Get beaten into unconsciousness or death?
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(Zimmerman) saw the neighbor look at him, then go back in the house. That's when he shot the kid.
Are you aware as to whether the neighbor informed them that he was calling 911?
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Are you aware as to whether the neighbor informed them that he was calling 911?
lol. Seriously? Not to get semantical, but you mean yelled it? I don't recall the guy's exact testimony, but I don't remember him saying he told them he was calling 911.
Doesn't really matter. Zimmerman was getting pounded. He saw the neighbor go back in the house. One of the cops who testified said Zimmerman said on the way to the police station that he was yelling for help and no one would help him.
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lol. Seriously? Not to get semantical, but you mean yelled it? I don't recall the guy's exact testimony, but I don't remember him saying he told them he was calling 911.
Doesn't really matter. Zimmerman was getting pounded. He saw the neighbor go back in the house. One of the cops who testified said Zimmerman said on the way to the police station that he was yelling for help and no one would help him.
Yes, Beach Bum. If he intended to communicate this to them, as he says he did, I would have faith that he'd know how to use his voice do that.
Will you join me on the other Zimmerman thread?
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Yes, Beach Bum. If he intended to communicate this to them, as he says he did, I would have faith that he'd know how to use his voice do that.
Will you join me on the other Zimmerman thread?
Don't remember what he said about whether he told them he was calling 911.
Depends. If you post something I feel like responding to, then yes.
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Don't remember what he said about whether he told them he was calling 911.
Depends. If you post something I feel like responding to, then yes.
Are you able to look at his testimony? Or would you prefer that I post a quote, or what?
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Quickly, from NY Times:
Mr. Good said he asked, “What’s going on?”
“No one answered,” he said. “At some point I said, ‘Cut it out’ and ‘I’m calling 911,’ when I thought it was getting really serious.”
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I'll tell you this: I've looked at this situation quite a bit in the recent past, and am more convinced than ever it was a struggle caused by the gun.
I also say that Zimmerman's story has quite a few BIG problems with it.
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Quickly, from NY Times:
Ok. What do you think this proves?
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Ok. What do you think this proves?
Do you think it may have been a good reason for Martin to attempt to flee, in order to avoid the consequences of beating someone?
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Do you think it may have been a good reason for Martin to attempt to flee, in order to avoid the consequences of beating someone?
Not really. Especially if he didn't hear the guy. He was too busy kicking the crap out of Zimmerman.
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Not really. Especially if he didn't hear the guy. He was too busy kicking the crap out of Zimmerman.
You think he was "too busy" to hear, BB?
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You think he was "too busy" to hear, BB?
Yep. Busy beating the man MMA style. The first neighbor on the scene after the shooting said Zimmerman looked like he had just gotten his butt beat.
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Yep. Busy beating the man MMA style. The first neighbor on the scene after the shooting said Zimmerman looked like he had just gotten his butt beat.
Do you believe Zimmerman, when he states that Martin declared he would kill him?
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Do you believe Zimmerman, when he states that Martin declared he would kill him?
Yeah, but it doesn't matter if Martin said that or not. The evidence showed Martin was kicking his butt. That's what the jury believed. That horse is dead already.
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Yeah, but it doesn't matter if Martin said that or not. The evidence showed Martin was kicking his butt. That's what the jury believed. That horse is dead already.
...and you'd say he was unconcerned with being caught, right?
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All irrelevant.
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I wonder how their paths crossed...Trayvon was just in the mood to beat up random people and just happened to run up on zimmerman?
Im just not sure
what does it matter, what if zimmerman was just a guy walking at night and happend to be behind trayvon.
Does that justify trayvon starting a physical confrontation?
You continue to deflect the outright stupidity that trayvon showed and continue to only concentrate on zimmerman.
THEY WERE BOTH IDIOTS!!!
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All irrelevant.
THIS, 1000 times over...THIS
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All irrelevant.
Yep. It's over already.
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I've got a lot more on this, guys. Hope you're not bitching out on me.
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I've got a lot more on this, guys. Hope you're not bitching out on me.
LMFAO yes alot of opinions and no facts, WE FUCKING KNOW!!!
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LMFAO yes alot of opinions and no facts, WE FUCKING KNOW!!!
Will you claim I've said something that's inconsistent with the facts, Tony?
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Will you claim I've said something that's inconsistent with the facts, Tony?
so you agree that the facts of the case show that zimmerman is innocent?
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so you agree that the facts of the case show that zimmerman is innocent?
The facts show that each of them was trying to preserve his own safety, Tony.
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The facts show that each of them was trying to preserve his own safety, Tony.
hahahah and by doing so zimmerman did not break any laws?
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hahahah and by doing so zimmerman did not break any laws?
By who doing what, bro?
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By who doing what, bro?
are you fucking serious?
The facts show that each of them was trying to preserve his own safety, Tony.
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are you fucking serious?
Yes. Please clarify your comment about "breaking any laws".
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Will pick this up later, bro. Don't bail on me like you did in the other thread.
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Yes. Please clarify your comment about "breaking any laws".
hahah fucking seriously?
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hahah fucking seriously?
You said "by doing so..."
By doing WHAT, Tony? Be specific.
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I want YOU to say it.
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I'm not really sure what the point of the posts on this last page are about.
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I'm not really sure what the point of the posts on this last page are about.
neither is jack bro
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neither is jack bro
What does he want you to say?
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Tony lost me on #1905, but I figure maybe he hasn't been keeping score.
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Community leaders in East New York blame lack of jobs for ‘knockout’ game violence
News 12 Brooklyn ^ | November 27, 2013
Posted on 11/27/2013 6:48:43 PM by 2ndDivisionVet
(VIDEO-AT-LINK)
BROOKLYN - Community leaders in East New York say that jobs are the answer to ending the so-called "knockout" game.
Councilman Charles Barron and other local activists spoke publicly for a second time about a rash of assaults involving young people punching unsuspecting victims. Barron says the root of the problem is that young people need jobs to help keep them out of trouble.
In recent weeks, at least half a dozen people have been randomly assaulted in Brooklyn. Officials say suspects are participating in a dangerous nationwide trend that allegedly involves attempting to knock out victims with a single punch.
Barron also suggested additional funding to community patrol groups who can act as lookouts and help put an end to the violence.
The most recent attack believed to be connected to the game is the assault of a 41-year-old woman on New Lotts Avenue Tuesday. Police are still investigating a number of other assaults, and have so far made arrests in three cases.
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hahahah and by doing so zimmerman did not break any laws?
You edited this comment from 'he' to 'Zimmerman', Tony, in case you'd forgotten.
Please explain what you mean when you say "by doing so..."
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Community leaders in East New York blame lack of jobs for ‘knockout’ game violence
News 12 Brooklyn ^ | November 27, 2013
Posted on 11/27/2013 6:48:43 PM by 2ndDivisionVet
(VIDEO-AT-LINK)
BROOKLYN - Community leaders in East New York say that jobs are the answer to ending the so-called "knockout" game.
Councilman Charles Barron and other local activists spoke publicly for a second time about a rash of assaults involving young people punching unsuspecting victims. Barron says the root of the problem is that young people need jobs to help keep them out of trouble.
In recent weeks, at least half a dozen people have been randomly assaulted in Brooklyn. Officials say suspects are participating in a dangerous nationwide trend that allegedly involves attempting to knock out victims with a single punch.
Barron also suggested additional funding to community patrol groups who can act as lookouts and help put an end to the violence.
The most recent attack believed to be connected to the game is the assault of a 41-year-old woman on New Lotts Avenue Tuesday. Police are still investigating a number of other assaults, and have so far made arrests in three cases.
Same worn out script.
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Community leaders in East New York blame lack of jobs for ‘knockout’ game violence
News 12 Brooklyn ^ | November 27, 2013
Posted on 11/27/2013 6:48:43 PM by 2ndDivisionVet
(VIDEO-AT-LINK)
BROOKLYN - Community leaders in East New York say that jobs are the answer to ending the so-called "knockout" game.
Councilman Charles Barron and other local activists spoke publicly for a second time about a rash of assaults involving young people punching unsuspecting victims. Barron says the root of the problem is that young people need jobs to help keep them out of trouble.
In recent weeks, at least half a dozen people have been randomly assaulted in Brooklyn. Officials say suspects are participating in a dangerous nationwide trend that allegedly involves attempting to knock out victims with a single punch.
Barron also suggested additional funding to community patrol groups who can act as lookouts and help put an end to the violence.
The most recent attack believed to be connected to the game is the assault of a 41-year-old woman on New Lotts Avenue Tuesday. Police are still investigating a number of other assaults, and have so far made arrests in three cases.
Wrong thread, SC.
Between you, Tony and Archer, I don't know who is more confused.
lol..btw, Happy Thanksgiving, you guys. Be grateful for what you've got.
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You edited this comment from 'he' to 'Zimmerman', Tony, in case you'd forgotten.
Please explain what you mean when you say "by doing so..."
What's the purpose of defining this? Are you unsure of the meaning?
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What's the purpose of defining this? Are you unsure of the meaning?
That's why I'm asking him to explain, Archer. Yes.
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That's why I'm asking him to explain, Archer. Yes.
The facts show that each of them was trying to preserve his own safety, Tony.
hahahah and by doing so zimmerman did not break any laws?
I assume he means; by "doing so" or trying to preserve his safety(self defense), Zim didn't break any laws
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Do you think he made a typo when he phrased it as a question?
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I'll pick this up later, dudes. See you soon, bros.
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Do you think he made a typo when he phrased it as a question?
No, it appears he was just looking for confirmation. I can't speak for him and I may be wrong.
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No, it appears he was just looking for confirmation. I can't speak for him and I may be wrong.
nope youre spot on, I think any rational person reading the last comments between me and jack would come to the conclusion you did as welll.
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But the fact he smoked is all part of the narrative. Same with the fact Martin was suspended from school for having burglary tools and women's jewelry and for fighting. No, that doesn't mean he deserved to die. What it does show is this makes it more likely that the kid was prone to start a confrontation with someone.
Why don't you apply this "narrative" standard to ZImmerman as well?
Yes, trayvon had a history of NONVIOLENT things like burglary and weed, so you can draw the conclusion that made him more likely to start a VIOLENT confrontation?
What about Zimmerman -- He had been accused of domestic violence, and he had been arrested for assault on a cop, and plead down for alcohol treatment. Yet you look at someone with TWO VIOLENT ACTS on their record, and don't apply the same standard?
Be consistent - Trayvon's activities showed he had a penchant for crime - But zimm's acts showed he had a penchant for VIOLENT CRIMES against other people. I'm fine with people looking at trayvon's record and saying he's a piece of shit, as long as people look at zimmerman and say the same thing.
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Why don't you apply this "narrative" standard to ZImmerman as well?
Yes, trayvon had a history of NONVIOLENT things like burglary and weed, so you can draw the conclusion that made him more likely to start a VIOLENT confrontation?
What about Zimmerman -- He had been accused of domestic violence, and he had been arrested for assault on a cop, and plead down for alcohol treatment. Yet you look at someone with TWO VIOLENT ACTS on their record, and don't apply the same standard?
Be consistent - Trayvon's activities showed he had a penchant for crime - But zimm's acts showed he had a penchant for VIOLENT CRIMES against other people. I'm fine with people looking at trayvon's record and saying he's a piece of shit, as long as people look at zimmerman and say the same thing.
lol trayvon had a history of fighting as well.
and so what youre getting at is they were both shit heads?
awesome got it, you get to shit heads togther and shitty things happen
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lol trayvon had a history of fighting as well.
and so what youre getting at is they were both shit heads?
awesome got it, you get to shit heads togther and shitty things happen
He had a history of fighting? He tweeted about giving someone a bloody nose? Is that the same as assaulting a fucking cop? LOL
And even if it IS the same - I ask beach bum why he applies the narrative to ONE and not BOTH. I'm fine with your stance that they're both shit heads and thus both likely to start a confrontation. My whole thing is BB just saying that applies to trayvon - ignoring the fact zimm has these actual assaults, and actually was the one doing the chasing.
In any case, zimmerman should get a solid 50% chance of starting the fight, considering his record, he was chasing, and oh, he was packing a 9mm. I just hate inconsistency. We don't know what happened, and you can't show one person telling us what happened who wasn't shown in court to be a bold faced liar.
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He had a history of fighting? He tweeted about giving someone a bloody nose? Is that the same as assaulting a fucking cop? LOL
And even if it IS the same - I ask beach bum why he applies the narrative to ONE and not BOTH. I'm fine with your stance that they're both shit heads and thus both likely to start a confrontation. My whole thing is BB just saying that applies to trayvon - ignoring the fact zimm has these actual assaults, and actually was the one doing the chasing.
In any case, zimmerman should get a solid 50% chance of starting the fight, considering his record, he was chasing, and oh, he was packing a 9mm. I just hate inconsistency. We don't know what happened, and you can't show one person telling us what happened who wasn't shown in court to be a bold faced liar.
I never said it was the same but to act like he didnt have a history of violence is just plain ignorant, although that is par for the course for your dumb ass
you hate inconsistency but you wont call out trayvon for his violent history and being a shit head...got it ::)
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I never said it was the same but to act like he didnt have a history of violence is just plain ignorant, although that is par for the course for your dumb ass
you hate inconsistency but you wont call out trayvon for his violent history and being a shit head...got it ::)
I'm not talking about you - I'm talking about beach bum. Look up "pieces of shit" and you'll see several times i called both of them pieces of shit :) I'm just saying we can't look at him boxing and say he's more likely to start a confrontation - when the other guy in the showdown was punching women and shoving cops lol. If ZImmerman was a peace corps member who knitted in his spare time, then yes, travyon is more likely. But when both dudes have a record tha is equally violetn (questionable lol) - I tend to think the dude doing the chasing as the aggressor. Who knows. anyway, it's about BB saying trayon was MORE likely - I say it's a wash at best.
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Why don't you apply this "narrative" standard to ZImmerman as well?
Yes, trayvon had a history of NONVIOLENT things like burglary and weed, so you can draw the conclusion that made him more likely to start a VIOLENT confrontation?
What about Zimmerman -- He had been accused of domestic violence, and he had been arrested for assault on a cop, and plead down for alcohol treatment. Yet you look at someone with TWO VIOLENT ACTS on their record, and don't apply the same standard?
Be consistent - Trayvon's activities showed he had a penchant for crime - But zimm's acts showed he had a penchant for VIOLENT CRIMES against other people. I'm fine with people looking at trayvon's record and saying he's a piece of shit, as long as people look at zimmerman and say the same thing.
Why don't you tell the truth for a change?
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Why don't you tell the truth for a change?
I think most people would compare the two and call it a draw, at the very least.
Trayvon smoked pot and boasted once about boxing someone?
Zimmerman trained MMA, shoved a cop, allegedly beat up his old lady, and ran after someone he thought was on drugs and possibly armed.
Sorry, but in no world does talking about some boxing compare to taking 18 months of MMA.
Sorry, but in no world does smoking pot make someone more likely to fight, than a person who assaults cops and ellegedly punches women.
We are going to have to agree to disagree on this one, beach bum. I think they're both pieces of shit, but hey, a dude with a criminal record, assault on LEO, is ALWAYS going to fit a violent narrative more than a teenager who "claims" to box. Nobody here is going to disagree with that, I'd guess. Even those that support zimm.
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I think most people would compare the two and call it a draw, at the very least.
Trayvon smoked pot and boasted once about boxing someone?
Zimmerman trained MMA, shoved a cop, allegedly beat up his old lady, and ran after someone he thought was on drugs and possibly armed.
Sorry, but in no world does talking about some boxing compare to taking 18 months of MMA.
Sorry, but in no world does smoking pot make someone more likely to fight, than a person who assaults cops and ellegedly punches women.
We are going to have to agree to disagree on this one, beach bum. I think they're both pieces of shit, but hey, a dude with a criminal record, assault on LEO, is ALWAYS going to fit a violent narrative more than a teenager who "claims" to box. Nobody here is going to disagree with that, I'd guess. Even those that support zimm.
Assault on a LEO. ... youre still a pathetic liar twisting facts to suite your agenda I see.
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Okay. Claiming something and "looking to confirm" are usually done in a certain order, but it's great to know you're not jumping to conclusions.
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This was the deciding time of the event, as claimed by Zimmerman, and was directly copied from his written statement to police:
"I tried to slide out from under the suspect and continue to yell 'Help'. As I slid the suspect covered my mouth and nose and stopped my breathing. At this point I felt the suspect reach for my now exposed firearm and 'Say' 'Your gonna die tonight Mother Fucker'. I unholstered my firearm In fear for my Life as he had assured me he was going to kill Me and fired one shot into his torso."
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Assault on a LEO. ... youre still a pathetic liar twisting facts to suite your agenda I see.
he plead down to a misdeameanor and got alcohol treatment.
he shoved an undercover cop, even after being told he was an undercover cop. that's assault on LEO.
Yes, he absolutely put his hands on a fcking cop. Can a law-abiding citizen like you or I even FATHOM making such a move? Putting your hands on a person with a badge? Just impossible. Just unreal. Anyone who doesn't talk about it - but actually DOES IT - is in a whole different spectrum when it comes for not giving a shit about the law. That's just plain outta control there.
VERY RARE is the criminal that goes so far as to assault a cop. That's just at such a level, it boggles the mind. And YES, it's a fcking fact, people that put their hands on cops do NOT respect the law and YES, it makes him way more likely to think he can put his hands on a teenager he (mistakenly) thinks stole his bike.
shockwave, I dont understand the kid gloves with zimmerman - he's a piece of shit who puts his hands on old people, women, and cops. Sure, he pleads and lawyers up, and usually beats the rap. But we all know it - he's a piece of shit that doesn't respect the law. Trayvon smoked pot and boxed, yes, piece of shit. But zimmerman? Picking on the weak (elderly and female) and shitting on the lawmen that hold our society together? I dont get how anyone here can defend him for a second. He's the worst kind of criminal... picking on the weak and those that protect us. Fuck him, plain and simple, and anyone who says "well, he plead down so technically, he didn't shove a cop!" is lying to themselves. :(
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I dont understand the kid gloves with zimmerman - he's a piece of shit who puts his hands on old people, women, and cops. Sure, he pleads and lawyers up, and usually beats the rap. But we all know it - he's a piece of shit that doesn't respect the law. Trayvon smoked pot and boxed, yes, piece of shit. But zimmerman? Picking on the weak (elderly and female) and shitting on the lawmen that hold our society together? I dont get how anyone here can defend him for a second. He's the worst kind of criminal... picking on the weak and those that protect us. Fuck him, plain and simple, and anyone who says "well, he plead down so technically, he didn't shove a cop!" is lying to themselves. :(
I think this pretty much sums up why I dislike zimmerman (aside from the whole gun law issue).
He puts his hands on women, old men & cops. That's it. He's a piece of shit like none other. People like him are what make the world a worse place. Even if you think he did a heroic thing by capping trayvon, it sure doesn't excuse any man from putting his hands on others like that.
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he plead down to a misdeameanor and got alcohol treatment.
he shoved an undercover cop, even after being told he was an undercover cop. that's assault on LEO.
Yes, he absolutely put his hands on a fcking cop. Can a law-abiding citizen like you or I even FATHOM making such a move? Putting your hands on a person with a badge? Just impossible. Just unreal. Anyone who doesn't talk about it - but actually DOES IT - is in a whole different spectrum when it comes for not giving a shit about the law. That's just plain outta control there.
VERY RARE is the criminal that goes so far as to assault a cop. That's just at such a level, it boggles the mind. And YES, it's a fcking fact, people that put their hands on cops do NOT respect the law and YES, it makes him way more likely to think he can put his hands on a teenager he (mistakenly) thinks stole his bike.
shockwave, I dont understand the kid gloves with zimmerman - he's a piece of shit who puts his hands on old people, women, and cops. Sure, he pleads and lawyers up, and usually beats the rap. But we all know it - he's a piece of shit that doesn't respect the law. Trayvon smoked pot and boxed, yes, piece of shit. But zimmerman? Picking on the weak (elderly and female) and shitting on the lawmen that hold our society together? I dont get how anyone here can defend him for a second. He's the worst kind of criminal... picking on the weak and those that protect us. Fuck him, plain and simple, and anyone who says "well, he plead down so technically, he didn't shove a cop!" is lying to themselves. :(
For the life of me i just didnt understand the stances people here took in this case...i just looked at all of the knowns and its a pretty open and shut thing. But hey, OJ and Casey Anthony both got off... so who knows.
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For the life of me i just didnt understand the stances people here took in this case...i just looked at all of the knowns and its a pretty open and shut thing. But hey, OJ and Casey Anthony both got off... so who knows.
Because you are dumb and ignorant of how the legal process works. That is why you are confused.
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Because you are dumb and ignorant of how the legal process works. That is why you are confused.
legally, he got away with it. The law allowed it.
In reality, 33, you, as a man, would never sit down and have dinner with zimmerman. You just couldn't. Never.
he assaults women, cops, and old people. He's trash as a person.
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legally, he got away with it. The law allowed it.
In reality, 33, you, as a man, would never sit down and have dinner with zimmerman. You just couldn't. Never.
he assaults women, cops, and old people. He's trash as a person.
No doubt. Zimm is a fat loser, but the legal process is more important to uphold than just mob justice like the 95ers wanted
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No doubt. Zimm is a fat loser, but the legal process is more important to uphold than just mob justice like the 95ers wanted
The law is too vague, and it allows a person to initiate a threatening situation, then kill their way out of it.
In FL, you're allowed to start a fight - then start losing it and decide you wish to exit - and shoot the person.
You dont know, I dont know who threw the first punch. Can't believe the fat GF, can't believe zimmerman - both liars. We know who was losing the fight, sure. The real problem here is that you're allowed to take a gun and chase someone you think might be up to something. That's a problem. You have a gun, you should have a greater responsibility not to aggrivate situations.
I'm just glad you and others don't see zimm as a hero. He beats women, elderly and cops. He's trash. Violent trash that doesn't respect the law.
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And? No proof he initiated the conflict. Blame the pos DA for this mess - no one else
The law is too vague, and it allows a person to initiate a threatening situation, then kill their way out of it.
In FL, you're allowed to start a fight - then start losing it and decide you wish to exit - and shoot the person.
You dont know, I dont know who threw the first punch. Can't believe the fat GF, can't believe zimmerman - both liars. We know who was losing the fight, sure. The real problem here is that you're allowed to take a gun and chase someone you think might be up to something. That's a problem. You have a gun, you should have a greater responsibility not to aggrivate situations.
I'm just glad you and others don't see zimm as a hero. He beats women, elderly and cops. He's trash. Violent trash that doesn't respect the law.
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I say the facts of the case are absolutely consistent with a conflict over a gun, and are NOT AT ALL consistent with one person senselessly beating another.
Obviously, a conflict over a gun would immediately point to the person responsible for the gun, and could only rise to such a level due to mishandling of the gun (again, pointing to the same person).
Hope to get into this further, soon, because there are some very important things we haven't discussed.
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By the way, an unlawful death would mean that Zimmerman's actions leading up to it would become part of a crime. (That's for Tony, before he's able to ask his usual question, which has been answered more than once.)
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And? No proof he initiated the conflict. Blame the pos DA for this mess - no one else
There's no proof EITHER man started the fight, dude. We agree on that. The word of liars isn't proof.
So yes, without a witness, the shooter walks. Dead men tell no lies. And the shoot itself was legal - I think zimm did fear for his life, he certainly was screaming like a bitch.
The thing is - He ran with a gun, for 2 blocks, into what became the situation. He called the kid names and accused him of things, and ran into a fight. THAT is something the law should forbid. I would LOVE to see this incidient happen in NYC... "Hey, judge, he swung first after I chased him 2 blocks into an alley without witnesses, one thing led to another, and BOOM, here we are..."
bwahahaha zimm's ass would be doing 25 years right now, dude. But in FL, the law is just so wide open :(
It's funny... you dislike NYC gun laws because the hate on permits, etc.
I dislike FL laws because they're SO vague and allow angry cowboys to pick up a piece and create a situation where others will use force.
If a dude with gun chases me for 2 blocks, ain't no conversation - I fear for my life. As does anyone with a fcking brain lol.
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Blame the DA for over charging to satisfy the 95ers
There's no proof EITHER man started the fight, dude. We agree on that. The word of liars isn't proof.
So yes, without a witness, the shooter walks. Dead men tell no lies. And the shoot itself was legal - I think zimm did fear for his life, he certainly was screaming like a bitch.
The thing is - He ran with a gun, for 2 blocks, into what became the situation. He called the kid names and accused him of things, and ran into a fight. THAT is something the law should forbid. I would LOVE to see this incidient happen in NYC... "Hey, judge, he swung first after I chased him 2 blocks into an alley without witnesses, one thing led to another, and BOOM, here we are..."
bwahahaha zimm's ass would be doing 25 years right now, dude. But in FL, the law is just so wide open :(
It's funny... you dislike NYC gun laws because the hate on permits, etc.
I dislike FL laws because they're SO vague and allow angry cowboys to pick up a piece and create a situation where others will use force.
If a dude with gun chases me for 2 blocks, ain't no conversation - I fear for my life. As does anyone with a fcking brain lol.
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Blame the DA for over charging to satisfy the 95ers
I do. that's exactly it. Some shit like criminal endanger, or even manslaughter, and zimm would be in jail right now doing his 8 years. He probably would have plead it down to 5 years.
State atty Angela Corey wanted to be Governor Angela Corey. lol.
Typical democrat move.
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Zimm owning twink minds months after winning his trial.
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Assault on a LEO. ... youre still a pathetic liar twisting facts to suite your agenda I see.
Truth.
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Christie assaulted a LEO. He plead down to misdemeanor to avoid jail, took alcohol and/or anger classes, right?
The dude is trash. LEO are brave and keep our society safe. Zimm doesn't respect that.
Anyone who defends him, well...
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Because you are dumb and ignorant of how the legal process works. That is why you are confused.
but youre the same one that talked about impeach this and treason that... and whose dumb and ignorant?
Cmon man.. Ive owned you into oblivion on at least 10 different occasions where you magically disappeared from a thread or tried to deploy your pattented "change of subject"...
so cool it with the dumb and ignorant shit before i get upset and mop the floor with your little ass
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but youre the same one that talked about impeach this and treason that... and whose dumb and ignorant?
Cmon man.. Ive owned you into oblivion on at least 10 different occasions where you magically disappeared from a thread or tried to deploy your pattented "change of subject"...
so cool it with the dumb and ignorant shit before i get upset and mop the floor with your little ass
LOL - go spin for that turd who ruined your career will ya?
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but youre the same one that talked about impeach this and treason that... and whose dumb and ignorant?
Cmon man.. Ive owned you into oblivion on at least 10 different occasions where you magically disappeared from a thread or tried to deploy your pattented "change of subject"...
so cool it with the dumb and ignorant shit before i get upset and mop the floor with your little ass
lol :D :D :D
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lol :D :D :D
I said Zimm was walking from Day 1 due to prosecutor having a crappy case.
The 95ers refused to listen because its all emotion for them.
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I said Zimm was walking from Day 1 due to prosecutor having a crappy case.
The 95ers refused to listen because its all emotion for them.
people get angry that a dude can chase someone 2 blocks, have it out, and shoot him.
Trayvon should have had his own gun - it would have been a cut n dry case. "He's running away" "this punk a-hole always gets away..."
Then trayvon feared for his life and fires. Totally legal. Yet because he used his hands and not a gun, getbiggers call that assault. He was scared for his life.
All I know is... I hope zimm's supporters don't follow his pattern and try chasing someone 2 blocks thru the dark "to get an address" cause it doesn't always end like that...
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Was wondering what happened to this guy. Good rant.
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Is anyone aware of the situation regarding Jeff Dowdy's representation, as a public defender, of GZ?
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SC, you'd say Zimmerman was criminally negligent, right?
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Prosecutors Drop Domestic Violence Charges against George Zimmerman
Thursday, 12 Dec 2013
Prosecutors dropped assault charges against George Zimmerman stemming from a domestic dispute involving his girlfriend last month, a Florida State Attorney said on Wednesday.
The case against Zimmerman, who was acquitted this summer in the fatal shooting of unarmed black teenager Trayvon Martin, fell apart after his girlfriend, Samantha Scheibe, withdrew a domestic violence allegation, Seminole-Brevard State Attorney Phil Archer, said in a statement.
The sheriff's department had probable cause to arrest Zimmerman at the time of the incident, Archer said.
"However, upon reviewing the recent affidavit ... and taking into account the conflicting statements about what occurred, the failure to cooperate with the ongoing investigation, and a lack of any other corroborating evidence or witnesses, there is no reasonable likelihood of successful prosecution," Archer said.
Zimmerman, 30, was arrested Nov. 18 after he allegedly pointed a shotgun at his girlfriend during a domestic dispute at the house in central Florida he shared with her.
Zimmerman faced three charges including aggravated assault, a felony, as well as two misdemeanors, domestic violence battery and criminal mischief.
Scheibe, 27, told police that at one point during a verbal altercation Zimmerman grabbed a shotgun and pointed it at her, broke a glass table and pushed her out the door.
He then barricaded the door with furniture, police said. Scheibe suffered no injuries during the incident.
Zimmerman, a former neighborhood watch captain, was acquitted on July 13 of murdering Martin as the 17-year-old walked back to the townhouse where he was staying after buying snacks at a nearby convenience store.
Zimmerman said he shot Martin in February 2012 in self defense. The shooting and trial polarized the U.S. public on issues of race, gun laws and self-defense laws.
Since his acquittal, Zimmerman has had several brushes with law enforcement officials. He has twice been stopped for speeding, once in Texas and in Florida.
In September, Zimmerman was questioned by police after his estranged wife called 911 saying he threatened her with a gun. He was not charged in the incident, which occurred a week after she filed for divorce.
http://www.newsmax.com/US/zimmerman-no-charges-filed/2013/12/12/id/541396#ixzz2nHN6IHb9
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Kobe Bryant takes shots for comments on Trayvon Martin, race
Published March 28, 2014
FoxNews.com
NBA superstar Kobe Bryant (r.) said his opinion on the trial of George Zimmerman (l.) in the shooting of Trayvon Martin was not based on race. (AP)
The next issue of the New Yorker has barely hit newsstands and already a comment from Kobe Bryant hinting that he may not be in lockstep with the black community on the Trayvon Martin shooting has people calling for a boycott of the Laker superstar’s gear.
In a wide-ranging interview, the future Hall of Famer was asked about the Miami Heat’s show of solidarity for Martin, the 17-year-old African-American shot to death in Florida by neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman, who was acquitted last year of second degree murder. Bryant he seemed to take exception to the idea that African-Americans should base their opinions on race.
“I won’t react to something just because I’m supposed to, because I’m an African-American.”
- Kobe Bryant, discussing Trayvon Martin shooting
“I won’t react to something just because I’m supposed to, because I’m an African-American,” Bryant said. “That argument doesn’t make any sense to me. So we want to advance as a society and a culture, but, say, if something happens to an African-American we immediately come to his defense? Yet you want to talk about how far we’ve progressed as a society? Well, we’ve progressed as a society, then don’t jump to somebody’s defense just because they’re African-American. You sit and you listen to the facts just like you would in any other situation, right? So I won’t assert myself.”
Although the 35-year-old Bryant, who spent much of his childhood in Italy, where his father was a professional basketball player, did not take a position on the merits of the case against Zimmerman, critics came down hard. Hall of Fame NFL running back Jim Brown told the article’s author Bryant doesn’t understand the African-American culture.
“[Kobe] is somewhat confused about culture, because he was brought up in another country,” Brown said.
On Thursday, self-described civil rights activist Najee Ali, director of Project Islamic H.O.P.E., angrily called for a boycott of all things Bryant.
“African American youth should no longer buy Bryant’s jerseys or shoes and should boycott all products he endorses,” Ali said in a statement. “Bryant doesn’t identify with the struggle that our African-American youth face nationally. So why should we continue to support Bryant who has never truly identified with the African American experience.”
Hours later, Bryant tweeted support for Martin, saying “Travon (sic) Martin was wronged THATS my opinion and thats what I believe the FACTS showed. The system did not work #myopinion #tweetURthoughts.”
Martin was killed Feb. 26, 2012, as he passed through the gated, Sanford, Fla., community where Zimmerman lived and served as a watch volunteer. The shooting prompted protests that the teen was deemed suspicious by Zimmerman because he was black and wearing a hoodie, and that charges were delayed because of Martin's race. President Obama weighed in, saying that "If I had a son, he would look like Trayvon." The Miami Heat, including Bryant's rival superstar LeBron James, posed in a photo just weeks after the shooting, with players wearing hoodies in support of Martin.
At trial, Zimmerman's defense attorneys argued successfully that Zimmerman shot the teen with his licensed handgun only after he was attacked and in fear of his life.
http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2014/03/28/kobe-bryant-takes-shots-for-comments-on-trayvon-martin/?intcmp=latestnews
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fox news for rapist :D
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kobe supports obamacare, I think he's been doing commercials for them.
I like that he says he looks at the martin case for the FACTS, not for skin color.
Everyone involved in the case said it wasn't about race. The only people yelling race were tv pundits for msnbc and fox.
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Names of six jurors who acquitted George Zimmerman made public
By Jeff Weiner and Rene Stutzman, Staff Writers
April 3, 2014
The names of the six-member jury panel that acquitted George Zimmerman in the shooting death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin have been made public for the first time, after a new court order, records show.
Circuit Judge Debra Nelson, who had previously ordered the jurors' identifying information be kept confidential, granted access to the names in a ruling March 21.
Zimmerman's defense asked the judge in June to keep the names secret until six months after the verdict. The judge set no timeline then, but noted in her new order they have been withheld more than eight months.
Attempts to reach the jurors by phone and in-person Thursday were unsuccessful.
In Florida, the names of jurors are typically public and are announced and used by the judge and attorneys during jury selection.
Nelson's order follows an inquiry last month by the Sentinel.
In a letter, Sentinel attorneys asked Nelson for a specific ruling on how long she planned to maintain the jurors' anonymity, noting it was already "well past the six month 'cooling off' period requested by the defense."
The defense, in its motion, argued a delay was needed beyond the trial to allow "for any community passions to cool."
The Sentinel and other media outlets opposed that delay.
On July 13, Zimmerman was found not guilty of second-degree murder in Trayvon's death. The Feb. 26, 2012, shooting in Sanford renewed national debate on a range of issues, including profiling and self-defense.
The not-guilty verdict sparked protests across the country.
Prosecutors alleged Zimmerman profiled, pursued and killed the unarmed Miami Gardens teenager. Zimmerman, now 30, said he fired in self-defense while being pummeled by Trayvon during an unprovoked attack.
http://touch.orlandosentinel.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-79814705/
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Not a material change? What the heck??
Judge throws out George Zimmerman's libel suit against NBC
By Rene Stutzman, Staff Writer
11:57 a.m. EDT, June 30, 2014
A Sanford judge today put an end to George Zimmerman's libel suit against NBC Universal.
Circuit Judge Debra S. Nelson ruled that the former Neighborhood Watch volunteer is entitled to no money from the media giant.
She issued a summary judgment in the network's favor, meaning that unless an appeals court reverses her, the case is now dead.
Zimmerman had filed suit two years ago, accusing NBC of falsely portraying him as a racist in a series of broadcasts shortly after he killed Trayvon Martin, an unarmed black 17-year-old, in Sanford.
Editors shortened audio from a 911 call Zimmerman made to a police dispatcher the night of the shooting, making it sound as if Zimmerman volunteered that Trayvon was black and that he racially profiled the Miami Gardens teenager.
Those edited clips aired four times in March 2012.
In addition, Zimmerman accused the news organization of defaming him in a separate broadcast by falsely reporting that he used a racial epithet in the same call.
The network fired two employees who were involved in the edits and made a public apology.
At a hearing June 19, NBC attorney Lee Levine asked the judge to end the suit with a judgment in the network's favor.
Zimmerman is a public figure, Levine said, and could not prove that he was the victim of "actual malice", meaning that NBC employees either knew what they reported was false or had serious misgivings about it.
In her ruling, issued shortly before 9 a.m. today, Nelson wrote that that's where Zimmerman's suit fell apart.
"There exists absolutely no clear and convincing evidence that defendants knew that the information published was false at the time it was published, or recklessly disregarded the truth or falsity of those statements. …," she wrote.
Zimmerman also alleged that the network intentionally inflicted emotional distress. Nelson shot down that claim, too.
In her 15-page order, she pointed out that time and again in March 2012 - the period during which Zimmerman claims NBC defamed him – the network quoted family members and friends who emphasized that Zimmerman was not a racist.
She also picked up on a tiny detail from the 911 call: that midway through the conversation, Zimmerman pointed out Trayvon's race a second time, and that time it was without prompting.
"He's got his hand in his waistband. And he's a black male," the then-Neighborhood Watch volunteer said.
The edits, the judge wrote, were not material changes.
As for the racial epithet, the judge wrote that the FBI did an analysis of the recording and concluded it was impossible to make out what Zimmerman had said. Given that, she wrote, it would be impossible for him to prove that NBC got that fact wrong.
In a one-sentence prepared statement, NBC News today said it "is gratified by the court's dismissal of this lawsuit, which we have always believed to be without merit."
Clearly, the judge agreed.
By the time NBC aired the reports that Zimmerman claimed made him look like a racist stalker, a great many other news organizations had for weeks aired or published reports about Trayvon's death and had raised the issue of racial profiling, the judge wrote.
"Zimmerman and his family had received death threats and had gone into hiding long before any of the challenged broadcasts," she wrote.
Zimmerman had made himself more difficult to defame, the judge wrote, because he had voluntarily made himself a public figure long before the shooting. In 2010, when the Sanford Police Department refused for weeks to arrest the son of a white police officer who had punched and broken the nose of a homeless black man, Zimmerman publicly protested.
That was an example, Nelson wrote, of Zimmerman "voluntarily injecting his views into the public controversy surrounding race relations and public safety in Sanford."
She went on to describe Zimmerman as having "pursued a course of conduct that ultimately led to the death of (Trayvon) Martin."
Pictures: Orange County Jail mug shots
Zimmerman's attorney, James Beasley Jr. of Philadelphia, was not available for comment this morning.
He had argued that it would be premature to throw out the suit, given that he had not yet begun to collect evidence.
He intended to take sworn statements from or check the network's communications with several people, including the Rev. Al Sharpton, a civil rights activist who led rallies, calling for Zimmerman's arrest, and Special Prosecutor Angela Corey.
Zimmerman told police he acted in self-defense. He was acquitted of second-degree murder last year.
His future is not clear. Still pending is a federal investigation into whether he violated Trayvon's civil rights. He's also in the middle of a contentious divorce. In pleadings filed earlier this month, he described himself as jobless, homeless and deeply in debt.
Thomas and LoCicero, one of the law firms that represents NBC, also represents the Orlando Sentinel.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-nbc-suit-dead-20140630,0,1401290.story
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Zimmerman has been allowed to assault cops, assault preggo women, chase and shoot minors, beaten on old man... and he's always beaten the rap.
NBC is guilty as shit here. He should have won this one.
But overall, Zimmerman is still batting .900 or so against the legal system.
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Zimmerman has been allowed to assault cops, assault preggo women, chase and shoot minors, beaten on old man... and he's always beaten the rap.
NBC is guilty as shit here. He should have won this one.
But overall, Zimmerman is still batting .900 or so against the legal system.
I'm pleased to point out that it sucks for Zimm that the one he lost was the one that might have gotten him paid.
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You mean the witch hunt failed? I wonder if Holder's resignation is related to the timing of this at all?
George Zimmerman not expected to face civil rights charges in Trayvon Martin death
By Sari Horwitz October 1
The Justice Department is not expected to bring civil rights charges against George Zimmerman in the 2012 shooting death of Trayvon Martin, according to three law enforcement officials, despite allegations that the killing was racially motivated.
The federal investigation of Zimmerman was opened two years ago by the department’s civil rights division, but officials said there is insufficient evidence to bring federal charges. The investigation technically remains open, but it is all but certain the department will close it.
Investigators still want to “dot their i’s and cross their t’s,” said one official, who like others spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to comment on the matter.
Martin, a 17-year-old African American from Florida, was unarmed when he was fatally shot by Zimmerman, a former volunteer neighborhood watchman who identifies himself as Hispanic. The killing sparked racial tension and protests across the country and drew emotional responses from President Obama and other top administration officials.
Zimmerman was acquitted of second-degree murder and manslaughter in a state trial in Sanford, Fla., last year. Even so, civil rights and African American organizations urged Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. to bring a federal civil rights case against him.
On Wednesday, a spokeswoman for the Justice Department said the investigation “is active and ongoing.”
An attorney for Martin’s family said his parents have not heard a final decision from U.S. officials.
“Trayvon’s parents continue to hope and pray for justice, and they won’t have any comments until they hear officially from the Justice Department,” said Benjamin Crump, who also represents the family of 18-year-old Michael Brown, whose shooting by a police officer in Ferguson, Mo., in August also prompted a public outcry.
Mark O’Mara, the lawyer who represented Zimmerman, said that approximately 40 witness statements collected by investigators in 2012 indicated there was no evidence to support a civil rights prosecution.
“I was watching the whole case pretty closely for two years, and they didn’t do anything except take those 40 statements,” O’Mara said. The statements “suggested that George acted in very non-racist ways. He took a black girl to the prom. His best buddy was a black guy. He mentored two black kids. He sought justice for a black homeless man beaten up by a white cop’s son.”
“To those who have seen civil rights investigations and civil rights violations,” he said, “it looked as though the Department of Justice was just placating pressure that existed by suggesting there was an ongoing investigation.”
The difficulty in bringing charges in the Martin case highlights the challenges for investigators in federal criminal civil rights cases. Under federal law for hate crimes, prosecutors would have to show not just that Zimmerman followed Martin because of his race but also that he shot the youth intentionally because he was African American.
A similarly high standard would apply to the case of Brown, an African American who was shot at least six times by Darren Wilson, a white police officer in Ferguson.
At a news conference last month to announce an investigation into the Ferguson police department, Holder was asked about the lingering civil rights probe into the Martin homicide.
“That investigation’s ongoing,” he told reporters. “There are active steps that we are still in the process of taking. There are witnesses who we want to speak to as a result of some recent developments.”
Two law enforcement officials said federal investigators wanted to look at a computer belonging to Zimmerman that had not been examined for the state trial in Florida.
One official with knowledge of the case said it was highly unlikely that the computer would have any evidence indicating that when Zimmerman fatally shot Martin he acted with the intent to deprive Martin of his civil rights.
Federal officials have privately said all along that a civil rights case against Zimmerman would be hard to prove.
“These are very difficult cases to make,” said one law enforcement official with knowledge of the case. “There is a high burden. We have to prove that a person was doing this with the intent of depriving someone of his civil rights.”
The investigation of the Brown shooting is being conducted under a different federal civil rights statute, the one governing official misconduct. Under that statute, it is a crime for law enforcement officers to act unreasonably and willfully to deprive a person of a constitutional right.
The Justice Department has other high-profile civil rights investigations that remain open, including one into the fatal shooting of Oscar Grant III by a Bay Area Rapid Transit police officer in Oakland, Calif., on New Year’s Day 2009.
The officer, Johannes Mehserle, was found guilty of involuntary manslaughter in 2010 but not guilty of second-degree murder and voluntary manslaughter in the shooting of Grant, who was unarmed. The case was featured in the movie “Fruitvale Station.”
Julie Tate contributed to this report.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/george-zimmerman-not-expected-to-face-civil-rights-charges-in-trayvon-martin-death/2014/10/01/4cd2ebd2-498e-11e4-a046-120a8a855cca_story.html
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Glad this dude is no longer in Congress.
Scarborough: Trayvon Was Chased and Shot 'Because He Was Black'
By Mark Finkelstein | November 24, 2014
You'd think Joe Scarborough would have learned by now to avoid inflammatory statements about the Trayvon Martin case. Back when that case first broke, Scarborough immediately branded George Zimmerman a "murderer," an accusation for which he later declined to apologize because he was not currently in office.
But there was Scarborough at it again this morning. On today's Morning Joe, he sought to contrast the Michael Brown case with that of Trayvon Martin. In Ferguson, "we don't know the evidence," said Joe. Whereas in the Trayvon Martin case, said Scarborough, "you had a guy chase a guy around a neighborhood and shoot him because he was black."
May we remind Scarborough that: Zimmerman was acquitted. Zimmerman suffered injuries to the back of his head consistent with Martin being on top during their struggle. It was Scarborough's own network that doctored the 911 tape to falsely make it appear that Zimmerman was pursuing Martin because he was black.
JOE SCARBOROUGH: [In Ferguson] we don't know the evidence. We just don't know the evidence. It's not like Trayvon, where you had a guy chase a guy around a neighborhood and shoot him because he was black.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2014/11/24/scarborough-trayvon-was-chased-and-shot-because-he-was-black#sthash.sNuLokne.dpuf
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I disagree with scarborough.
Zimmerman woudln't have chased condi rice. Zimmerman wouldn't have chased lebron james or malcolm X.
But zimm WOULD have chased a random 17 year old WHITE scumbag he saw standing around.
The problem isn't that zimmerman is a racist - the problem is that zimmerman is just an a-hole.
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Glad this dude is no longer in Congress.
Scarborough: Trayvon Was Chased and Shot 'Because He Was Black'
By Mark Finkelstein | November 24, 2014
You'd think Joe Scarborough would have learned by now to avoid inflammatory statements about the Trayvon Martin case. Back when that case first broke, Scarborough immediately branded George Zimmerman a "murderer," an accusation for which he later declined to apologize because he was not currently in office.
But there was Scarborough at it again this morning. On today's Morning Joe, he sought to contrast the Michael Brown case with that of Trayvon Martin. In Ferguson, "we don't know the evidence," said Joe. Whereas in the Trayvon Martin case, said Scarborough, "you had a guy chase a guy around a neighborhood and shoot him because he was black."
May we remind Scarborough that: Zimmerman was acquitted. Zimmerman suffered injuries to the back of his head consistent with Martin being on top during their struggle. It was Scarborough's own network that doctored the 911 tape to falsely make it appear that Zimmerman was pursuing Martin because he was black.
JOE SCARBOROUGH: [In Ferguson] we don't know the evidence. We just don't know the evidence. It's not like Trayvon, where you had a guy chase a guy around a neighborhood and shoot him because he was black.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2014/11/24/scarborough-trayvon-was-chased-and-shot-because-he-was-black#sthash.sNuLokne.dpuf
Joe is right...Trayvon found with Zimmerman because he was fighting for his life. One that he didn't win
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Joe is right...Trayvon found with Zimmerman because he was fighting for his life. One that he didn't win
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I meant to type fight...not fought
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He might turn out to be like Rodney King. Treated unjustly, subsequently couldn't stay out of trouble, then dead at an early age.
George Zimmerman arrested on suspected domestic violence
By Greg Botelho and Carma Hassan, CNN
January 10, 2015
(CNN)George Zimmerman -- the man acquitted by a Florida jury over the death of Trayvon Martin -- was arrested Friday in Florida on suspicion of aggravated assault and domestic violence with a weapon, local authorities said.
The 31-year-old Florida man was arrested by police in Lake Mary around 10 p.m. and booked into the John E. Polk Correctional Facility, according to that facility's website. That facility, like its website, is run by the Seminole County Sheriff's Office.
It all came about after Zimmerman allegedly threw a wine bottle at a girlfriend, his lawyer Don West told reporters.
"Whatever happened took place several days ago," said West. "And, as far as I know, they have not been together for some time, certainly not since then."
Police first learned about it after coming "in contact with the (alleged) victim at a traffic stop," Lake Mary police spokeswoman Bianca Gillett said.
The incident is the latest legal run-in for Zimmerman since his acquittal in July 2012 on a murder charge in the death of Martin, a 17-year-old African-American. In fact, it's his second arrest for alleged domestic violence against a girlfriend -- though Lake Mary police spokeswoman Bianca Gillett said this alleged "victim is not the same (woman) as in 2013."
"It's clear he hasn't been very lucky with the ladies the last few months," West said of his client.
Judge bars contact, orders weapons surrendered
Zimmerman appeared Saturday morning before Judge John Galluzo, who decided to bar him from contacting the alleged victim or going into Volusia County. He was also told to surrender any weapons -- with West saying he could turn them over to relatives, not necessarily police. He was not ordered to refrain from drinking, since the judge said "there wasn't any allegation of abuse of alcohol in the arrest affidavit."
Appearing in court is not new for Zimmerman, who became a national figure in 2012 after spotting Martin in his Sanford, Florida, neighborhood. The two ended up having a confrontation that climaxed with Zimmerman fatally shooting the teenager, who was unarmed.
That incident, and authorities' decision not to immediately charge Zimmerman, spurred large-scale protests. In April of that year, Zimmerman was charged with second-degree murder, with an affidavit accusing him of profiling Martin and ignoring a police dispatcher's request that he wait for police.
After a high-profile trial, a jury found Zimmerman not guilty.
That made him a free man -- but did not end his issues with the law.
Arrest, but no charge after other domestic violence claim
About two weeks after the verdict, he was pulled over for speeding in northern Texas. Much bigger troubles came in November 2013, when Zimmerman was taken into custody at his then-girlfriend's Apoka, Florida, home after the two allegedly had a heated fight.
He was arrested then on aggravated assault and misdemeanor counts of domestic violence battery and criminal mischief, accusations that he denied. He posted $9,000 bail days later.
But after the girlfriend asked that the issue be dropped, State Attorney Phil Archer announced that prosecutors would not press charges.
More recently, in September 2014, Lake Mary police said that a man claimed that Zimmerman threatened him during a road rage incident. "I will ... kill you," Zimmerman allegedly said, according to police. "Do you know who I am?" He was not arrested and has not been charged.
West said Saturday that his client doesn't have a full-time job, implying he's had his struggles since the Martin acquittal.
"It's been a devastating experience that he's had that he's working through," the lawyer said. "... I'm concerned, obviously, as we are here again this morning."
CNN's Christine Sever and Chris Welch contributed to this report.
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/01/10/us/george-zimmerman-arrested/index.html
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He might turn out to be like Rodney King. Treated unjustly, subsequently couldn't stay out of trouble, then dead at an early age.
LOL at treated unjustly. He beat cops and a women. He deserves jail for that. Learn to respect law enforcement, please. Once the put his hands on a cop, a hero that protects us, Zimmerman loses the right to cry that he's been unjustly treated.
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LOL at treated unjustly. He beat cops and a women. He deserves jail for that. Learn to respect law enforcement, please. Once the put his hands on a cop, a hero that protects us, Zimmerman loses the right to cry that he's been unjustly treated.
Says the pathological liar.
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Says the pathological liar.
says the clinton voter.
Which is pretty much the same thing.
I'm looking fwd to spending the 2016 election cycle with you, beach bum. You'll be defending RINOs that support amnesty and min wage. I'll be supporting Cruz and demanding impeachment of obama, while you call me a liberal.
It'll be entertaining for all, as usual.
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says the clinton voter.
Which is pretty much the same thing.
I'm looking fwd to spending the 2016 election cycle with you, beach bum. You'll be defending RINOs that support amnesty and min wage. I'll be supporting Cruz and demanding impeachment of obama, while you call me a liberal.
It'll be entertaining for all, as usual.
Do you ever tell the truth? You voted for Obama. Your whole family voted for Obama. You call yourself a libertarian. You have had Obama's ding dong in your mouth for six years running. You are the biggest Obama cheerleader on this board.
My whole family - all Republicans - are voting Obama. i'm driving them to the station later - buying everyone dinner - making it a real family event.
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Do you ever tell the truth? You voted for Obama. Your whole family voted for Obama. You call yourself a libertarian. You have had Obama's ding dong in your mouth for six years running. You are the biggest Obama cheerleader on this board.
I voted Barr and I voted Romney. I've been very clear about that.
You voted clinton, and we don't hold that against you. Your support for Romney in 2015 is what scares me, dude. We'll never see change in America with more RINOs in power. You're helping dems by supporting them.
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I voted Barr and I voted Romney. I've been very clear about that.
You voted clinton, and we don't hold that against you. Your support for Romney in 2015 is what scares me, dude. We'll never see change in America with more RINOs in power. You're helping dems by supporting them.
Bwahahahaha!! I just quoted you saying you were voting for Obama and that your whole friggin family was voting for Obama. Plus anyone who posts on this board regularly knows you have been kneepadding for Obama since 2008.
I honestly think you have a psychological problem regarding telling the truth. Is there like a drug or something you can take to help?
This might be helpful?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth_serum
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Bwahahahaha!! I just quoted you saying you were voting for Obama
show the quote where I said i'm voting for obama. Show it. Doesn't exist.
Look, I give no fcks on getbig. I have no problem contradicting myself or taking unpopular positions. If i had voted obama, I sure as shit would tell you because that's what I do. But I voted Barr then held my nose and voted Romney.
Show the quote, please.
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show the quote where I said i'm voting for obama. Show it. Doesn't exist.
Look, I give no fcks on getbig. I have no problem contradicting myself or taking unpopular positions. If i had voted obama, I sure as shit would tell you because that's what I do. But I voted Barr then held my nose and voted Romney.
Show the quote, please.
I've only posted it on the board about 100 times. But I guess people who believe we faked the moon landing and that the U.S. government used holograms to fake planes flying into the WTC might have trouble embracing reality. lol
I live in Florida. My vote didn't matter in the dem primary (I'm a registered independent).
So I probably will vote dem. i'd love to see Obama choose a Wes Clark for a running mate, or a Jim Webb, possibly more likely, for strong military and defense credibility.
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that's a probably in 2007. I was anti-mccain and chose to use my vote for barr.
So you don't have the quote then, huh? Just some pondering, 22 months before the election? Up against dozens of posts talking about why I finally chose Barr?
Sad, man. You're wrong and now we see it.
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that's a probably in 2007. I was anti-mccain and chose to use my vote for barr.
So you don't have the quote then, huh? Just some pondering, 22 months before the election? Up against dozens of posts talking about why I finally chose Barr?
Sad, man. You're wrong and now we see it.
"Probably in 2007"?? LOL! Look at the quote you lying dumb @@@. LOL! It says February 27, 2008.
Having trouble keeping the lies straight as usual. Holy smokes you are one lying little buggah.
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"Probably in 2007"?? LOL! Look at the quote you lying dumb @@@. LOL! It says February 27, 2008.
Having trouble keeping the lies straight as usual. Holy smokes you are one lying little buggah.
haha its like he believes the obama line of "if you say it enough times it will become truth"
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haha its like he believes the obama line of "if you say it enough times it will become truth"
Tell me about it. Just like a little kid who can convince themselves that a lie is the truth, complete with tears.
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George Zimmerman Assault Case Dropped After Ex-Girlfriend Recants
(http://www.newsmax.com/CMSPages/GetFile.aspx?guid=9333f494-f9cc-4c78-8b5a-86c160175c84&SiteName=Newsmax&maxsidesize=600)
Image: George Zimmerman Assault Case Dropped After Ex-Girlfriend Recants (Joe Burbank/Pool/Getty Images)
Friday, 30 Jan 2015
ORLANDO, Fla. — Authorities say they are dropping their aggravated assault case against George Zimmerman after his ex-girlfriend stopped cooperating with authorities.
State Attorney Phil Archer said Friday that he wouldn't file a formal charge against Zimmerman, the former neighborhood watch leader who was acquitted of killing Trayvon Martin.
The killing of the unarmed black teen touched off protests across the country.
Zimmerman was arrested earlier this month after his ex-girlfriend told police officers he had thrown a wine bottle at her. She later recanted her story.
It was Zimmerman's latest run-in with authorities since his acquittal in 2013.
http://www.Newsmax.com/US/George-Zimmerman-assault-case-dropped/2015/01/30/id/621711/#ixzz3QKCwoOkb
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Not surprised at all.
Officials: DOJ to announce no charges against Zimmerman in Martin shooting
Published February 24, 2015
FoxNews.com
The Justice Department plans to announce it will not be filing federal civil rights charges against George Zimmerman, the Florida man who was acquitted last year of second-degree murder for shooting Trayvon Martin, an unarmed teenager.
Senior U.S. government officials confirmed the planned announcement to Fox News.
Thursday marks the third anniversary of Martin’s death.
Federal prosecutors are expected to say they do not have enough evidence to prove Zimmerman intentionally violated Martin’s civil rights.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/02/24/doj-not-expected-to-file-civil-rights-charges-against-zimmerman-in-shooting/
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DOJ to Announce No Charges in Trayvon Martin's Death
ABC "News" ^ | 2/24/15
Posted on 2/24/2015 12:59:18 PM by SoFloFreeper
....ABC News has learned Martin’s family will soon be notified that the Justice Department will not be filing charges against George Zimmerman, who shot the 17-year-old after a confrontation in 2012. Thursday marks three years to the day since Martin was killed.
Federal prosecutors concluded there is not sufficient evidence to prove Zimmerman, a neighborhood watchman in Sanford, Fla., intentionally violated Martin’s civil rights, sources told ABC News.
(Excerpt) Read more at abcnews.go.com ...
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/24/doj-george-zimmerman-trayvon-martin_n_6744984.html
STRAWFAG / OBAMAFAG / ANDREFAG / 240FAG OWNED ;D
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/24/doj-george-zimmerman-trayvon-martin_n_6744984.html
STRAWFAG / OBAMAFAG / ANDREFAG / 240FAG OWNED ;D
yeah, I think society in general has been the winner. Zimmerman has proven not to be a violent bully, right?
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yeah, I think society in general has been the winner. Zimmerman has proven not to be a violent bully, right?
Can you finally admjit you were wrong on this?
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Can you finally admjit you were wrong on this?
fuck fuck fuck no. are you high? zimm has threatened a man in traffic, beat up his preggo woman, beat up her dad, beat up his own ipad to hide video of it, and posed in a fcking gun factory. he's a bag of fucking shit and so it anyone that supports his WOMAN BEATING ass.
period.
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Can you finally admjit you were wrong on this?
In July 2005, when he was 21, Zimmerman was arrested after shoving an undercover alcohol-control agent while a friend of Zimmerman's was being arrested for underage drinking. The officer alleged that Zimmerman had said, "I don't care who you are," followed by a profanity, and had refused to leave the area after the officer had shown their badge. The charges were subsequently dropped when Zimmerman entered a pre-trial diversion program that included anger-management classes. Also in 2005, Zimmerman's ex-fiancée filed a restraining order against him, alleging domestic violence. Zimmerman requested a reciprocal restraining order. Both orders were granted. These incidents were raised by prosecutors at Zimmerman's initial bond hearing. The judge described them as "run of the mill."
On September 9, 2013, in Lake Mary, Florida, police responded to a 911 call by Zimmerman's estranged wife, who reported that Zimmerman had threatened her and her father with a gun and had punched her father in the face. Zimmerman was briefly detained and questioned by police. No gun was found at the scene. Police took a broken iPad from the scene for examination of a video recording of the incident to determine whether to press charges against either Zimmerman or his wife. His wife declined to press charges, later expressing regret about her decision. After determining that the iPad video could not be recovered, the Lake Mary police department announced they would not be pressing charges against Zimmerman, his wife, or her father.
On November 18, 2013, Zimmerman's girlfriend called the police alleging that after she had asked Zimmerman to leave her home, he had pointed a shotgun at her and begun breaking her belongings. The police reported that Zimmerman had barricaded himself inside the apartment before they had made their way inside and arrested him. He was charged with aggravated assault with a weapon – a felony – as well as domestic violence battery and criminal mischief. On December 6, Zimmerman's girlfriend asked that the charges against Zimmerman be dropped and that the restraining order barring him from seeing her be lifted, after which prosecutors said that they would no longer be pursuing a case against him.
On Tuesday September 9, 2014, George Zimmerman was named by police in a road rage incident where he reportedly threatened and followed another driver. Zimmerman reportedly responded aggressively when he noticed another driver pointing at him. According to the other driver Zimmerman said "Do you know who I am?" before saying, "I'll (expletive) kill you." Zimmerman allegedly followed the other driver to a parking lot while the driver called 911, but he fled before the police arrived. The other driver declined to press charges.
On January 9, 2015, Zimmerman was arrested by Lake Murray police and charged with aggravated assault with a weapon after allegedly throwing a wine bottle at his ex-girlfriend. He was released on bond the following day. The charges from the wine bottle incident were later dropped after the complainant recanted her story
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Can you finally admjit you were wrong on this?
That dude is always wrong.
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In July 2005, when he was 21, Zimmerman was arrested after shoving an undercover alcohol-control agent while a friend of Zimmerman's was being arrested for underage drinking. The officer alleged that Zimmerman had said, "I don't care who you are," followed by a profanity, and had refused to leave the area after the officer had shown their badge. The charges were subsequently dropped when Zimmerman entered a pre-trial diversion program that included anger-management classes. Also in 2005, Zimmerman's ex-fiancée filed a restraining order against him, alleging domestic violence. Zimmerman requested a reciprocal restraining order. Both orders were granted. These incidents were raised by prosecutors at Zimmerman's initial bond hearing. The judge described them as "run of the mill."
On September 9, 2013, in Lake Mary, Florida, police responded to a 911 call by Zimmerman's estranged wife, who reported that Zimmerman had threatened her and her father with a gun and had punched her father in the face. Zimmerman was briefly detained and questioned by police. No gun was found at the scene. Police took a broken iPad from the scene for examination of a video recording of the incident to determine whether to press charges against either Zimmerman or his wife. His wife declined to press charges, later expressing regret about her decision. After determining that the iPad video could not be recovered, the Lake Mary police department announced they would not be pressing charges against Zimmerman, his wife, or her father.
On November 18, 2013, Zimmerman's girlfriend called the police alleging that after she had asked Zimmerman to leave her home, he had pointed a shotgun at her and begun breaking her belongings. The police reported that Zimmerman had barricaded himself inside the apartment before they had made their way inside and arrested him. He was charged with aggravated assault with a weapon – a felony – as well as domestic violence battery and criminal mischief. On December 6, Zimmerman's girlfriend asked that the charges against Zimmerman be dropped and that the restraining order barring him from seeing her be lifted, after which prosecutors said that they would no longer be pursuing a case against him.
On Tuesday September 9, 2014, George Zimmerman was named by police in a road rage incident where he reportedly threatened and followed another driver. Zimmerman reportedly responded aggressively when he noticed another driver pointing at him. According to the other driver Zimmerman said "Do you know who I am?" before saying, "I'll (expletive) kill you." Zimmerman allegedly followed the other driver to a parking lot while the driver called 911, but he fled before the police arrived. The other driver declined to press charges.
On January 9, 2015, Zimmerman was arrested by Lake Murray police and charged with aggravated assault with a weapon after allegedly throwing a wine bottle at his ex-girlfriend. He was released on bond the following day. The charges from the wine bottle incident were later dropped after the complainant recanted her story
Wait a minute! You said that we shouldn't use someones past against them. What gives?
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The media is still spinning this thing. They use a mug shot of Zimmerman and a picture of a much younger and smaller Martin. ::)
George Zimmerman won’t face civil rights charges in Trayvon Martin’s death
By Mark Berman and Sari Horwitz
February 24, 2015
The Justice Department announced Tuesday that George Zimmerman will not face federal criminal civil rights charges for shooting and killing teenager Trayvon Martin in 2012.
Zimmerman fatally shot Martin while the unarmed African American 17-year-old was walking in Sanford, Fla. The shooting became a national flashpoint, sparking a discussion of race relations that continues to reverberate since the shooting death of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Mo., and other incidents across the country.
“The death of Trayvon Martin was a devastating tragedy,” Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. said in a statement. “It shook an entire community, drew the attention of millions across the nation, and sparked a painful but necessary dialogue throughout the country.”
As a result of the announcement Tuesday, the federal investigation into the shooting has been closed.
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Eric Holder. (Carolyn Kaster/AP)
Holder said that the “comprehensive examination” determined that there was not enough evidence for a federal hate crime prosecution. But he added that Martin’s “premature death necessitates that we continue the dialogue and be unafraid of confronting the issues and tensions his passing brought to the surface.”
Martin’s family said in a statement that they were “disappointed” with the findings, but thanked the people who offered prayer and other support over the years.
“We remain poised to do everything in our power to help eradicate senseless violence in our communities, because we don’t want any other parent to experience the unexplainable loss we have endured,” Martin’s family said. “We will never, ever forget what happened to our son, Trayvon, and will honor his memory by working tirelessly to make the world a better place.”
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Trayvon Martin’s parents, Sybrina Fulton, left, and Tracy Martin, attend George Zimmerman’s trial in 2013. (Jacob Langston/Reuters)
His family also thanked the Justice Department for the “extensive and thorough investigation into the killing of our son.” A Martin family attorney confirmed that representatives of the family met with Justice Department officials on Tuesday to be told about the decision. They were also joined by officials from the FBI.
The decision was not unexpected, as three law enforcement officials told The Washington Post last fall that Zimmerman was not expected to face charges. It was announced two days before the third anniversary of Martin’s death and almost three weeks after what would have been Martin’s 20th birthday.
Meanwhile, Holder is expected to leave the Justice Department in the coming weeks if Loretta Lynch, the nominee to succeed him, is confirmed by the Senate in March.
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A family photo of Trayvon Marton. (Martin family)
A team of civil rights prosecutors and FBI agents conducted “a comprehensive, independent investigation” into Martin’s death, according to the Justice Department. This was separate from the local investigation into the shooting, which resulted in Zimmerman being charged with second-degree murder.
Zimmerman, a former volunteer neighborhood watchman who identifies as Hispanic, told police he was fighting for his life and fired at Martin in self-defense. The case also prompted outrage over “stand your ground laws,” statutes that have been enacted in more than 30 states. Zimmerman was acquitted by a Florida jury in July 2013, a decision that prompted demonstrations in cities across the United States.
These demonstrations and others prompted by the shooting were, in many ways, a direct precursor to the “Black Lives Matter” protests that erupted after Michael Brown, an unarmed 18-year-old, was shot and killed by a Ferguson police officer last summer, as well as the deaths of 12-year-old Tamir Rice in Cleveland and Eric Garner in Staten Island.
“Although disappointed by the announcement, we are not surprised by the DOJ’s decision to clear George Zimmerman of charges,” said Dante Barry, executive director of Million Hoodies Movement for Justice, an activist group created after the Martin shooting. “This decision is further proof that this system was not set up to protect Black or Brown communities.”
After the Martin shooting. hundreds of thousands of demonstraters called for Zimmerman to be arrested and charged in the shooting. And that burst of activism birthed several prominent activist groups – including Million Hoodies and Dream Defenders — who played crucial roles in organizing protests and demonstrations last year following the shooting of Brown last year.
“The Million Hoodies team express our sympathies to Sybrina Fulton and Tracy Martin for hearing this announcement just days before the anniversary of Trayvon’s murder,” Barry said.
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George Zimmerman seen earlier this year. (Seminole County Sheriff’s Office via Reuters)
Once Zimmerman’s trial concluded in 2013, the federal investigation resumed, with authorities interviewing dozens of witnesses, looking at electronic recordings and reviewing crime scene evidence and ballistics reports.
“The federal investigation sought to determine whether the evidence of the events that led to Martin’s death were sufficient to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman’s actions violated the federal criminal civil rights statutes,” the Justice Department said in a statement Tuesday.
They specifically looked to see if Zimmerman violated a section of the U.S. Code that makes criminal any use of force or threat based on that person’s race. In the end, “insufficient evidence” was found, the department said.
“Although the department has determined that this matter cannot be prosecuted federally, it is important to remember that this incident resulted in the tragic loss of a teenager’s life,” Acting Assistant Attorney General Vanita Gupta of the Civil Rights Division said in a statement. “Our decision not to pursue federal charges does not condone the shooting that resulted in the death of Trayvon Martin and is based solely on the high legal standard applicable to these cases.”
Zimmerman was back in court last month after being charged with domestic aggravated assault. His family members have spoken of a desire to create a reality show based around him, according to a GQ story published last year. That story described a family feeling under siege, moving from hotel to hotel at the height of the public attention and with bags packed ready to flee at any moment.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2015/02/24/george-zimmerman-wont-face-civil-rights-charges-in-trayvon-martins-death/
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Holder and Obama new Zimmerman wouldn't be charged but stretched out this unnecessary investigation for political reasons.
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Holder and Obama new Zimmerman wouldn't be charged but stretched out this unnecessary investigation for political reasons.
No doubt.
It is still unsettling to me that the DOJ asked the entire country to submit any evidence they had of Zimmerman being a racist. Be very afraid of what your government can do to you.
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No doubt.
It is still unsettling to me that the DOJ asked the entire country to submit any evidence they had of Zimmerman being a racist. Be very afraid of what your government can do to you.
It was a concerted effort by the DOJ to create a spectacle. Ask yourself, why would they publicly ask for information that proved Zimmerman was a racist if they already had evidence of that fact? Why even start an investigation without a speck of evidence? It seems obvious they started with the premise that Zimmerman was undoubtedly racist and then attempted to prove it after-the-fact. Think about how fucked up that is. It's guilty before proven innocent.
It's like if someone got into a car accident. The prosecutor has no evidence the person was drunk and plenty of evidence they weren't. The prosecutor launches an investigation into whether the driver was driving drunk anyway. He asks the public if they know of any other time the driver was drunk or drove drunk in order to prove whether he was drunk during this particular accident. It's nuts, man.
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It was a concerted effort by the DOJ to create a spectacle. Ask yourself, why would they publicly ask for information that proved Zimmerman was a racist if they already had evidence of that fact? Why even start an investigation without a speck of evidence? It seems obvious they started with the premise that Zimmerman was undoubtedly racist and then attempted to prove it after-the-fact. Think about how fucked up that is. It's guilty before proven innocent.
It's like if someone got into a car accident. The prosecutor has no evidence the person was drunk and plenty of evidence they weren't. The prosecutor launches an investigation into whether the driver was driving drunk anyway. He asks the public if they know of any other time the driver was drunk or drove drunk in order to prove whether he was drunk during this particular accident. It's nuts, man.
I completely agree.
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Zimmerman completely exonerated from all charges both real and imagined!
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MSNBC's Melissa Harris-Perry: I Hope Trayvon ‘Whooped the Sh**’ Out of Zimmerman
By Tom Blumer | February 26, 2015
While it's performing a long overdue housecleaning, MSNBC should point its broom in Melissa Harris-Perry's direction and sweep her off the network for her anti-democratic, violence-advocating rant earlier this week at Cornell University.
Among other things, Harris-Perry told her audience that George Zimmerman deserved whatever injuries he received at the hands of Trayvon Martin in the violent February 2012 confrontation which began with Martin pommeling Zimmerman and ended in Martin's death.
Zimmerman was acquitted of second-degree murder in the shooting death of Martin in a jury trial in 2013. Earlier this week, the U.S. Department of Justice announced that it "found insufficient evidence to pursue federal criminal civil rights charges" against Zimmerman. The Martin-Zimmerman saga has appears to have caused Harris-Perry to come utterly unglued.
In the video segment below, posted yesterday by T. Becket Adams at the Washington Examiner, Harris-Perry said that she hoped Trayvon Martin “whooped the sh** out of George Zimmerman.” Viewers will note that many in the audience applauded. The separate segment which follows in the video reveals a person who is obsessed with "privilege" (HT Ed Driscoll at PJ Media):
Transcript:
MELISSA HARRIS-PERRY: I hope he (Martin) tried to stay alive. I hope he knew that he lived in a state with a stand-your-ground law and I hope he whooped the sh** out of George Zimmerman.
And it's not disreputable ... (audience applause obscures her words)
'Cause he encountered a stranger who was prepared to kill him, and you know how I know? Because he killed him.”
(Video moves to another segment)
That our bodies and voices, never forget that we are artists — That white bodies become black bodies when they creatively imagine themselves as a black body, a body that is vulnerable to be shed of its privileges. That hetero bodies can become queer bodies to the extent that they are willing to lay down with their queer brothers and sisters by shedding our privileges. That male bodies become meaningful bodies, not when they act in militarism and violence against female bodies, but when they act in solidarity with women's bodies.
We must never forget the part that our bodies and voices can make, because the artist is creatively maladjusted, just as the game called all of us ... (audio trails off)
The video above only scratches the surface of how odious Harris-Perry's presentation was.
At the Cornell Review, which describes itself as "Cornell’s only conservative and libertarian publication," Casey Breznick presented an extended and excellent critique of Harris-Perry's rant.
The people at MSNBC need to read every word of Breznick's write-up. The excerpts from it which follow expose her as an utterly self-absorbed, money-grubbing, unapologetic advocate of violence, and an opponent of democracy:
What a shame and an embarrassment for Cornell it was to feature MSNBC’s Melissa Harris-Perry as the speaker at the annual Martin Luther King, Jr. Commemorative Lecture on Feb. 23.
The event, titled “We Can’t Breathe: The Continuing Consequences of Inequality,” was ostensibly meant to serve as a thought-provoking reflection on contemporary race relations and the role the teachings of Dr. King should play today in light of recent elevation of racial tensions due to the cases involving Michael Brown, Eric Garner, and Tamir Rice.
Instead, Harris-Perry delivered an hour-long comedy routine lightly mixed in, here and there, with some serious thought. Though she did reference Dr. King on numerous occasions, Harris-Perry clearly established from the very beginning that this event was really just about Harris-Perry, and not Dr. King, one of the greatest figures of the 20th century. After a humbling introduction delivered by Dean of Students Kent Hubbell, which referenced Dr. King’s 1960 speech at Cornell and also honored Cornellians slain in the Civil Rights Movement, Harris-Perry started off by taking a “selfie” with the audience behind her.
The event took place in Sage Chapel, with an audience of about 250 packed into the pews. Despite the sanctity of the setting, Harris-Perry could not resist herself in peppering curse words throughout her speech, some of which were obviously planned and not spur of the moment. At one point, she referred to her vision of democracy–that “democracy is for losers”– as “hot sh**” and later exclaimed she hoped Trayvon Martin “whooped the sh** out of George Zimmerman.”
What would Dr. King, a pacifist, think of those who champion violence in his commemoration?
... Though the audience laughed along with Harris-Perry when she joked about the Tea Party, George W. Bush, Beyoncé, Southern black culture, and Ithaca’s weather, most in attendance were hesitant to cajole along with her when she boasted about her honorarium no fewer than three times. At one point the MSNBC host even quipping she would “be down with lower taxes” because of all the money she makes from her speaking circuit.
The cornerstone of her presentation–aside from the cringe-worthy spectacle she was making of herself–was the idea that the country must “break bodies [in order] to perfect the union.”
... “We break bodies in order to… get to where we need to go,” she explained.
Here's the question for MSNBC's Phil Griffin: If this doesn't make Melissa Harris-Perry undeserving of a national network's air time, what in the world would?
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2015/02/26/msnbcs-melissa-harris-perry-i-hope-trayvon-whooped-sh-out-zimmerman#sthash.k6FXxqei.dpuf
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What a bunch of self-righteous sanctimonious crap. Perry thought Zimmerman was guilty and racist as soon as she heard his name.
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When you can't get your way just changed the rules. Holder is disgusting piece of shit
“I think some serious consideration needs to be given to the standard of proof that has to be met before federal involvement is appropriate, and that’s something that I am going to be talking about before I leave office,” Holder said.
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/02/mike-allen-interviews-attorney-general-eric-holder-115576.html?ml=tl_1
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When you can't get your way just changed the rules. Holder is disgusting piece of shit
“I think some serious consideration needs to be given to the standard of proof that has to be met before federal involvement is appropriate, and that’s something that I am going to be talking about before I leave office,” Holder said.
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/02/mike-allen-interviews-attorney-general-eric-holder-115576.html?ml=tl_1
Glad he's gone.
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Glad he's gone.
He's a disgrace as an attorney general and a man. He wants an open license for witch hunting.
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When you can't get your way just changed the rules. Holder is disgusting piece of shit
“I think some serious consideration needs to be given to the standard of proof that has to be met before federal involvement is appropriate, and that’s something that I am going to be talking about before I leave office,” Holder said.
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/02/mike-allen-interviews-attorney-general-eric-holder-115576.html?ml=tl_1
I question how much juice he really has over his department.
For all this hot air and grand standing what has he really accomplished during his tenure?
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I question how much juice he really has over his department.
For all this hot air and grand standing what has he really accomplished during his tenure?
He's setting the groundwork by implementing small changes. His ideas on disparate impact are gaining traction. The idea is already changing school policy. It's only a matter of time before it effects the enforcement of law. He's helped to start programs all across the country that are designed to fight the totally unprovable "unconscious bias" in law enforcement. These are dangerous programs all based on a bias and flawed interpretation of facts.
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He's a disgrace as an attorney general and a man. He wants an open license for witch hunting.
I agree he was a lousy attorney general. Unfortunately, he will now ride his golden parachute off into the sunset.
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I agree he was a lousy attorney general. Unfortunately, he will now ride his golden parachute off into the sunset.
The next thug is no better.
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Zimmerman blames Obama for racial tensions after Trayvon Martin shooting
Reuters
By Letitia Stein
TAMPA, Fla. (Reuters) - George Zimmerman, acquitted of murder charges in the shooting death of an unarmed black teen in Florida, said in a videotaped interview that President Barack Obama stoked racial tensions in the case.
The former Florida neighborhood watch volunteer said he felt liberated after federal prosecutors last month decided not to press civil rights charges in the 2012 death of Trayvon Martin.
"Now is the perfect time to speak my mind without fear of retaliation," Zimmerman told one of his attorneys, Howard Iken, in a March 8 interview, released to the media on Monday.
Zimmerman criticized his treatment by federal prosecutors and in particular by Obama. He said Obama should not have inflamed racial tensions as he did by saying in a White House speech that if he had a son, that child would look like Martin.
"I’m also my parent’s child, and my life matters as well," Zimmerman said, identifying the president by his full name, "Barack Hussein Obama."
"He by far overstretched, overreached, even broke the law in certain aspects to where you have an innocent American being prosecuted by the federal government," Zimmerman said.
Zimmerman was acquitted of murder in state court, and the Justice Department found insufficient evidence that he intentionally violated Martin's civil rights.
He called his conscience clean over the shooting, which he maintained was self-defense.
"You cannot as a human feel guilty for living, for surviving," he said.
Zimmerman said he was portrayed as a "racist white man," despite coming from a multicultural family in which he was raised by a Hispanic mother and grandmother.
While he felt the U.S. justice system should not have forced him to stand trial, Zimmerman was satisfied with the outcome.
"I was acquitted, and I am a free man," he said, adding that he was further validated by the Justice Department's decision not to bring civil rights charges.
A video recording and transcript of his interview can be viewed online: http://www.18884mydivorce.com/georgezimmerman2015/
http://news.yahoo.com/zimmerman-blames-obama-racial-tensions-trayvon-martin-shooting-220147383.html
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LOL @ those who still worship Zimmerman. The guy is perhaps the meanest, biggest bully citizen in america... beating on women, old people, cops... and voila, they still love the dude.
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Compulsive Liar
A compulsive liar is defined as someone who lies out of habit. Lying is their normal and covert yet reflexive way of responding to questions. Compulsive liars bend the truth about everything, large and small. For a compulsive liar, telling the truth is very awkward and uncomfortable while lying feels right. Compulsive lying is usually thought to develop in early childhood, due to being placed in an environment where lying was necessary. A compulsive liar may also have difficulties with poor self esteem. For the most part, compulsive liars are not overly manipulative and cunning, rather they simply lie out of habit
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=compulsive+liar
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The hate is strong. http://hotspotatl.com/3457679/wheniheardzimmermangotshot-proved-just-how-much-black-twitter-hates-trayvon-martins-killer/
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He has Rodney King written all over him. He's probably going to wind up dead.
Police recover gun from Zimmerman; 2 guns from other man
Published May 12, 2015
Associated Press
ORLANDO, Fla. – Police say they have recovered a handgun from George Zimmerman and took two guns from a man accused of shooting at Zimmerman.
Lake Mary Police Officer Bianca Gillett said Tuesday that detectives are still investigating and no charges have been filed against Zimmerman or Matthew Apperson.
Zimmerman and Apperson were involved in a road-rage episode earlier this year, but no charges were filed in that case.
Two guns were taken from Apperson's car, including a revolver that had a spent shell casing. Police say they will also execute a search warrant on Zimmerman's pickup truck.
Both men had the guns legally.
Police say the shooting occurred Monday afternoon on a busy road. Zimmerman suffered minor injuries.
Zimmerman is the former neighborhood watch volunteer who was acquitted in the fatal shooting of Trayvon Martin.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/05/12/police-recover-gun-from-zimmerman-2-guns-from-other-man/?intcmp=latestnews
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Police recover gun from Zimmerman; 2 guns from other man
2 idiots both trying to stand their ground. I miss the days of 'duty to retreat' in Florida :(
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::)
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Cops: Alleged Shooter Had ‘Fixation’ on Zimmerman
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Police say the man who allegedly shot George Zimmerman had a “fixation” on his victim, and had recently been admitted in a mental institution for signs of “paranoia, anxiety and bipolar disorder.”
According to a police report, 36-year-old Matthew Apperson chased Zimmerman down — ahem — and demanded “You remember me?” Zimmerman called Apperson a “clown”; the following altercation resulted in Apperson firing at Zimmerman’s car. Zimmerman was struck but suffered minor injuries.
At the time the police described the men as being locked in an “ongoing dispute,” going back to an incident last September in which Apperson said Zimmerman threatened to kill him during a bout of road rage. Apperson was charged last week with aggravated assault, battery with a deadly weapon, and firing a deadly missile into an occupied vehicle, though he ironically could avail himself of the “stand your ground” defense.
Apperson was released on bail but had to surrender his weapons to authorities.
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Cops: Alleged Shooter Had ‘Fixation’ on Zimmerman
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Police say the man who allegedly shot George Zimmerman had a “fixation” on his victim, and had recently been admitted in a mental institution for signs of “paranoia, anxiety and bipolar disorder.”
According to a police report, 36-year-old Matthew Apperson chased Zimmerman down — ahem — and demanded “You remember me?” Zimmerman called Apperson a “clown”; the following altercation resulted in Apperson firing at Zimmerman’s car. Zimmerman was struck but suffered minor injuries.
At the time the police described the men as being locked in an “ongoing dispute,” going back to an incident last September in which Apperson said Zimmerman threatened to kill him during a bout of road rage. Apperson was charged last week with aggravated assault, battery with a deadly weapon, and firing a deadly missile into an occupied vehicle, though he ironically could avail himself of the “stand your ground” defense.
Apperson was released on bail but had to surrender his weapons to authorities.
:o Sounds like one or two people who post on this board. :-\
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:o Sounds like one or two people who post on this board. :-\
Rob, I think you might have jumped the gun on attempting to demonize Zimmerman yet again.
Evidently the guy following him around was your classic, run of the mill nut case
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George Zimmerman Shooter To Use ‘Stand Your Ground’ Defense
May 30, 2015
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Matthew Apperson mugshot/Lake Mary PD
The man who reportedly shot at George Zimmerman plans on using the Stand Your Ground defense in what appears to be a bit of irony. The Huffington Post reports that Matthew Apperson’s attorney revealed the detail on Friday. Using the notorious defense could grant the man a pre-trial hearing before a judge, who will ultimately decide whether or not he will ever face a trial in the incident that took place earlier this month. Will he be successful?
Authorities in Lake Mary have already concluded on their own that the altercation was caused by Apperson, who allegedly has some kind of obsession with Zimmerman. They say that Apperson pulled his gun on Zimmerman and fired at him without provocation, indicating that he had lied about Zimmerman brandishing his own firearm first. Police may have appeared to side with Zimmerman, but Apperson is still going to try for the Stand your Ground defense.
Do you think Matthew Apperson will be successful in citing Stand Your Ground for why he shot at the man who killed Trayvon Martin? Social media is continuously lit up with discussions about the ongoing George Zimmerman saga, and the most recent news has only enhanced the debates.
Whether or not Apperson has a case or not for the Stand Your Ground defense has yet to be seen, but it’s ultimately up to a judge to decide — and not the police in Lake Mary. After all, the police have dropped charges against Zimmerman multiple times since his acquittal, but a judge may feel differently. Since his acquittal, George Zimmerman has had several brushes with the law, ranging from minor traffic incidents to accusations of domestic violence and accusations of him waving his firearm at people.
It’s hopeful that justice is served in this case. If Matthew Apperson is lying about the event that led to him firing a gun at George Zimmerman, then he will have to pay the consequences. Otherwise, Zimmerman may have just met his match.
http://www.inquisitr.com/2129898/george-zimmerman-shooter-to-use-stand-your-ground-defense/#h1X1FRs8iU3bfmz2.99
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George Zimmerman says he's selling gun used to shoot and kill Trayvon Martin
Published May 12, 2016 FoxNews.com
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April 20, 2012: In this file photo, George Zimmerman, left, answers a question from attorney Mark O'Mara during a bond hearing in Sanford, Fla. (AP)
George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch captain acquitted of murder charges in the 2012 shooting death of teenager Trayvon Martin, said Wednesday he is auctioning off the gun used in the shooting.
“I recently received it back from the Department of Justice. They took it after my trial, after I was exonerated,” Zimmerman told Fox 35 Orlando.
Zimmerman told the station the he’s received numerous death threats while in hiding and has received much more after putting the 9mm pistol that was used to kill Marin on Feb. 26, 2012 up for auction.
“What I’ve decided to do is not cower,” he told Fox 35 Orlando. “I’m a free American. I can do what I want with my possessions."
An attorney for Martin's family declined to specifically comment on Zimmerman, but did issue a statement to Fox 35 Orlando Wednesday.
“The Trayvon Martin Foundation is committed to its mission of ending senseless gun violence in the United States. This election, season, we are laser focused on furthering that mission. As such, the foundation has no comment on the actions of that person."
The station reported that the starting bid for Zimmerman’s weapon is set at $5,000. He is auctioning it through GunBroker.com, where the item description claims "a portion of the proceeds will be used to fight [Black Lives Matter] violence against Law Enforcement officers, ensure the demise of Angela Correy's persecution career and Hillary Clinton's anti-firearm rhetoric."
Zimmerman added that “many have expressed interest in owning and displaying the firearm including The Smithsonian Museum in Washington D.C.”
“This is a piece of American History. It has been featured in several publications and in current University text books. Offers to purchase the Firearm have been received; however, the offers were to use the gun in a fashion I did not feel comfortable with,” he wrote.
Zimmerman also claims that the Department of Justice tried to make the gun inoperable, but insists that the weapon remains fully functional and it will come with a letter of authenticity.
Zimmerman was acquitted of second-degree murder and manslaughter in death of Trayvon Martin in July 2013. The Justice Department determined last February that there wasn’t enough evidence to charge Zimmerman with a hate crime in the shooting.
The acquittal is said to have started the Black Lives Matter movement.
The auction is set to go live on Thursday at 11 a.m.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/05/12/george-zimmerman-says-hes-selling-gun-used-to-shoot-and-kill-trayvon-martin.html?intcmp=hpbt3
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Something tells me on the Trump/Zimmerman supporter venn diagram, there's a whole lotta overlap ;)
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George Zimmerman gun ad yanked by one website but posted by another
Published May 12, 2016
Associated Press
An online gun auction website yanked George Zimmerman's ad to sell the pistol he used to kill unarmed black teenager Trayvon Martin, saying it wanted no part in the deal, but a second site offered to post it.
A listing for the weapon was removed from the GunBroker.com site Thursday morning, minutes after the auction was to begin, as negative traffic about the sale exploded online. In a statement posted on its website, GunBroker.com said listings are user generated, and that the company reserved the right to reject listings at its discretion.
Zimmerman never contacted anyone at the site and no one there "has any relationship with Zimmerman," the company wrote in its statement.
It added, "We want no part in the listing on our web site or in any of the publicity it is receiving."
Hours later, United Gun Group tweeted that it would post Zimmerman's ad. The new link was posted, along with a statement from Zimmerman. However, the site apparently went down a few minutes later. The site calls itself a "social market place for the firearms community."
Critics called the planned auction an insensitive move to profit from the slaying.
Zimmerman had told Orlando, Florida, TV station WOFL that the pistol was returned to him by the U.S. Justice Department, which took it after he was acquitted in Martin's 2012 shooting death.
The auction for the 9 mm Kel-Tec PF-9 pistol was to begin at 11 a.m. EDT Thursday and end 24 hours later.
Zimmerman's listing said a portion of the proceeds would go toward fighting what Zimmerman calls violence by the Black Lives Matter movement against law enforcement officers, combatting anti-gun rhetoric of Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton and ending the career of state attorney Angela Corey, who led Zimmerman's prosecution.
The listing ended with a Latin phrase that translates as "if you want peace, prepare for war."
Zimmerman, now 32, has said he was defending himself when he killed Martin, 17, in a gated community near Orlando. Martin, who lived in Miami with his mother, was visiting his father at the time.
Zimmerman, who identifies as Hispanic, was acquitted in Martin's February 2012 shooting death. The case sparked protests and a national debate about race relations. The Justice Department later decided not to prosecute Zimmerman on civil rights charges
Lucy McBath, the mother of another black teenager shot by a white man during an argument at a Jacksonville convenience store in 2012, said the auction reflected a "deplorable lack of value for human life."
"I am deeply disappointed that the man who killed Trayvon Martin is trying to sell the very gun he used to cut that precious life short to raise money," McBath said in a written statement.
The slaying of her son, 17-year-old Jordan Davis, by Michael Dunn drew parallels at the time to the Zimmerman-Martin case. Dunn told police he had felt threatened by Davis. Unlike Zimmerman, Dunn was convicted of murder.
Since Zimmerman was acquitted, he has been charged with assault based on complaints from two girlfriends. Both women later refused to press charges and Zimmerman wasn't prosecuted. His estranged wife, ShellieZimmerman, also accused him of smashing her iPad during an argument days after she filed divorce papers. No charges were filed because of lack of evidence. They were divorced in January.
Orlando-based attorney Mark O'Mara has previously represented Zimmerman. A receptionist in O'Mara's office said Thursday that he no longer represents Zimmerman and had no comment.
Martin's parents declined to address Zimmerman's actions in statements made through representatives.
Martin's mother, Sybrina Fulton, said through an attorney that she would rather focus on her work with the Trayvon Martin Foundation than respond to "Zimmerman's actions."
Daryl Parks, whose firm represented the Martin family during the trial, is now chairman of Fulton's foundation. He says Fulton is pushing for policies that protect youth and address gun violence.
Fulton also founded the Circle of Mothers conference, a three-day event to help mothers who have "lost children or family members" to gun violence. Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton will be keynote speaker at the event in Fort Lauderdale starting May 20.
In the auction listing, Zimmerman cited strong interest from collectors including "The Smithsonian Museum in Washington DC."
Smithsonian spokesman John Gibbons denied any interest.
"The Smithsonian has never expressed an interest in collecting this firearm and has no intention of collecting or displaying this firearm," Gibbons said.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/05/12/george-zimmerman-says-hes-selling-gun-used-to-shoot-and-kill-trayvon-martin.html?intcmp=hplnws
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Dudes a fucking idiot
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do you remember denying obama wanted to go after guns even after he said he wanted a new AWB in the debates?
when did obama go after our guns?
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Dudes a fucking idiot
Agreed.
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He might be right, but you shouldn't say everything that you're thinking. He really needs to shut up and get on with his life already.
George Zimmerman attacks Trayvon Martin's parents in an explosive new interview
Business Insider
MICHELLE MARK
May 18th 2016
George Zimmerman said the parents of Trayvon Martin "didn't raise their son right," and called the Black Lives Matter movement a "fraudulent, violent campaign" in a loaded interview with The Daily Beast published Tuesday.
Zimmerman, who fatally shot 17-year-old Martin in February 2012 and was acquitted of second-degree murder the next year, told The Daily Beast that Martin's mom and dad, Sybrina Fulton and Tracy Martin, are bad parents who are "capitalizing" on Trayvon's death.
Now, four years after the shooting, Zimmerman is auctioning off the gun he used to kill Martin.
Despite the overwhelminglynegative attention and fake listings the auction has garnered — including a $65 million bid from a user named "Racist McShootface" — Zimmerman claims he has a firm offer with verified assets for $100,000.
He added that auctioning off the gun is what the forefathers would do, although he says he originally wanted to keep it for his future children and grandchildren.
"It is what was used to save my life from a near-death brutal attack by Trayvon Martin," he said, adding that he wants it to be worth "as much as possible."
Zimmerman continued his verbal assault on the family whose son he killed, saying Martin "attacked a complete stranger and attempted to kill him," Zimmerman said.
"It's their duty to have an internal dialogue to see what they should have done better and what they should have done appropriately."
The acquitted killer rattled off a number of grievances he wants to settle with funds from the gun sale, like countering Hillary Clinton's "anti-firearm rhetoric." He says he also wants to end the career of Angela Corey, the prosecutor who charged him with second-degree murder in Martin's death.
During his interview, Zimmerman also claimed he would "fight" the Black Lives Matter movement and compensate law-enforcement officers he says were affected by it.
"They would know that George Zimmerman is going to step in and make them richer than they ever dreamed of being."
Since his acquittal, Zimmerman has had multiple run-ins with police, and was, at one point, charged with aggravated assault involving a girlfriend.
http://www.aol.com/article/2016/05/18/george-zimmerman-attacks-trayvon-martins-parents-in-an-explosiv/21379149/
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Good.
Angela Corey, scrutinized prosecutor behind George Zimmerman trial, loses GOP re-election bid in Florida primary
Melissa Nelson defeats Angela Corey in State Attorney race
WJAX - Jacksonville, FL
BY NICOLE HENSLEY
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Wednesday, August 31, 2016
Angela Corey, the Florida prosecutor who bungled George Zimmerman’s murder trial in 2013, lost her long-held seat in a landslide primary election to a GOP newcomer.
Corporate lawyer and former prosecutor Melissa Nelson easily snagged 64% of the vote in the State Attorney race, banking on three years of scrutiny that plagued Corey for failing to convict Zimmerman in the 2012 death of Trayvon Martin.
Nelson will move on to the general election as the chosen Republican and will face off with a Democratic write-in candidate to reign over Florida's Fourth Judicial Circuit Court.
Florida prosecutor Angela Corey was booted from her State Attorney seat after losing her re-election Tuesday. (SARAH BETH GLICKSTEEN/EPA)
Corey will officially end her third term in office the first week of January.
“I will figure out what it was about our stellar record that I was not able to communicate to the voters,” WOKV-TV reported Corey as saying in a concession speech late Tuesday. “And once I figure that out, I will sit down and let you all know what I could have done better. But I know one thing that will never waiver. And that’s my love and devotion to the people of this community and to all of you.”
As the primary election advanced, polls predicted Corey’s loss. She repeatedly defended her handling of Zimmerman’s case in Seminole County during primary debates.
Gov. Rick Scott picked Corey to prosecute Zimmerman when Sanford police declined to cuff Zimmerman, who contended he shot the unarmed black teen in self-defense.
Corey pinned a second-degree murder and manslaughter charge against the neighborhood watchman, but her prosecution unraveled when an all-female jury passed on convicting Zimmerman.
In the trial’s aftermath, Corey rejected criticism she over-charged Zimmerman. The top prosecutor acknowledged her legal team have second-guessed their ability to prosecute the wannabe lawman.
“I don’t think that we overcharged,” Corey told CBS News after the trial fizzled. “He killed a young man because he thought he was a criminal and he should be held accountable for what he did.”
Grammy winner and singer John Legend applauded Corey’s loss, citing a habitually lousy track record, and said prosecutors have “the power” to ending mass incarcerations of minorities.
“Today the voters in Jacksonville and throughout Florida’s 4th Judicial Circuit have decided that Angela Corey failed in that responsibility by aggressively seeking the death penalty and egregiously charging juveniles, particularly those of color, as adults,” Legend said in a statement.” Her tactics have been rejected by her community, and we applaud the voters for rejecting them. This is a sign of positive things to come in our fight for a #FREEAMERICA.”
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/fla-prosecutor-behind-george-zimmerman-trial-loses-primary-article-1.2772292
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George Zimmerman says he’s homeless and suffering from PTSD: report
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George Zimmerman says in a Univision interview that he fears for his safety. (UNIVISION)
BY JOEL LANDAU
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Saturday, February 15, 2014
George Zimmerman says his problems continue.
He told a Spanish language television station he is now homeless, battling post-traumatic stress disorder, more than $2 million in debt and lives in fear for his life.
Zimmerman opened up on the Univision television show "Aquí y Ahora" (Here and Now) that will air Sunday on the Spanish language station at 7 p.m.
Zimmerman also discussed his well-known struggle with 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, an African-American teen who was walking in Zimmerman's neighborhood in Sanford, Fla., on Feb. 26, 2012.
FLA. MAN CHARGED WITH ATTEMPTED MURDER OF ZIMMERMAN
After he called the cops, the two got into a fight that ended with Martin's death.
"He (Martin) saw my gun and told me he would kill me, and I knew he was telling the truth. I mean, was not playing," he told the station. "I asked him to stop …. And the young man did not care. Continued attacking ... I knew he would not stop even though I knew that someone had seen (the fight) and the police are coming. He did not care."
But he didn’t answer when asked if he should have waited for the cops — saying that the case is under a federal Department of Justice investigation.
Zimmerman was acquitted of charges of second-degree murder and manslaughter in a trial in July.
The ex-neighborhood watchman said he did not think he initially shot Martin and that it went through the side of his clothes and towards a neighbor's house.
Toma Tillman, 4, came armed with a bag of sSkittles at the march protesting police handling of the Trayvon Martin shooting in Sanford, Fla. March 31, 2012.
After the bullet was fired the fight with Martin stopped "immediately," he said.
Asked if he still thought he had done the right thing, he said, "in my mind and between God and me … I know that if I did not act the way I acted ... I would not be here."
He insisted his life was in danger during the fight with Martin.
"When you hit your head repeatedly against the concrete, you have a broken nose, eyes full of blood and tears, you're not in the position to do much," he said.
Zimmerman said he now lives in fear that his life is in danger. He has worn a bullet proof vest and follows a safety plan when he goes out in public.
GEORGE ZIMMERMAN ARMED WITH GUN IN LATEST INCIDENT
He is also $2.5 million in debt from the trial — although he raised $350,000 online to pay for his defense.
Of those donors he says, “[To] those people I owe my freedom, because without them we could not have the experts we had, we could not have paid for the documents we [needed]."
Recently he had planned to take part in a celebrity boxing match with rapper DMX but the promoter announced last week it was canceled. He is not working and lost his health insurance.
Since the trial, he has been in the news for a variety of other matters, including a speeding ticket and a police call to his home over a domestic dispute with his wife.
"Honestly, I [would] love to live a calm life without being in the press. I’d like [to be treated like] any American citizen — have a ticket ... or an argument ... [and] not have everyone aware," he said. "But that ... that's my life and I do not understand why that is, but I'm living my life as I have always lived, " he said.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/george-zimmerman-homeless-suffering-ptsd-report-article-1.1615673
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^ Story is from February 2014.
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"Honestly, I [would] love to live a calm life without being in the press. I’d like [to be treated like] any American citizen — have a ticket ... or an argument ... [and] not have everyone aware," he said. "But that ... that's my life and I do not understand why that is, but I'm living my life as I have always lived, " he said.
Touring the Kel-tec plant and posting smiling pics of the place where they made the gun he used to shoot a 17-year old...
Just trying to avoid the press, huh?
Oh, going on Univision and doing interviews... just trying to be normal and avoid the spotlight, huh? ;)
He's so full of shit. He could have easily disappeared like that casey anthony psycho and just fll off the grid. Continued run-in with law, social media racist posting, antagonizing people with the kel-tec pic, selling "art" about the shooting/USA.... He's tried to capitalize off the spotlight.
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^ Story is from February 2014.
Sorry. Missed that. Thanks for pointing it out.
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Man gets 20 years for shooting at George Zimmerman's vehicle
Published October 17, 2016
Associated Press
SANFORD, Fla. – A Florida man who fired at George Zimmerman's vehicle during a road-rage confrontation was sentenced on Monday to 20 years in prison.
Zimmerman said 38-year-old Matthew Apperson showed no regard for human life during the May 2015 confrontation, and even seemed joyful because he mistakenly thought he'd killed Zimmerman, The Orlando Sentinel reported.
Zimmerman is the former neighborhood watch volunteer who was acquitted of second-degree murder after fatally shooting unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin in 2012.
Apperson was convicted by a Seminole County jury last month of attempted second-degree murder, armed aggravated assault and shooting into a vehicle. Apperson testified at trial that he acted in self-defense after Zimmerman flashed a gun. Zimmerman disputed that.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/10/17/man-gets-20-years-for-shooting-at-george-zimmermans-vehicle.html
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Man gets 20 years for shooting at George Zimmerman's vehicle
Published October 17, 2016
Associated Press
SANFORD, Fla. – A Florida man who fired at George Zimmerman's vehicle during a road-rage confrontation was sentenced on Monday to 20 years in prison.
Zimmerman said 38-year-old Matthew Apperson showed no regard for human life during the May 2015 confrontation, and even seemed joyful because he mistakenly thought he'd killed Zimmerman, The Orlando Sentinel reported.
Zimmerman is the former neighborhood watch volunteer who was acquitted of second-degree murder after fatally shooting unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin in 2012.
Apperson was convicted by a Seminole County jury last month of attempted second-degree murder, armed aggravated assault and shooting into a vehicle. Apperson testified at trial that he acted in self-defense after Zimmerman flashed a gun. Zimmerman disputed that.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/10/17/man-gets-20-years-for-shooting-at-george-zimmermans-vehicle.html
LMFAO - another unhinged liberal idiot not voting for Hillcunt
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Moms Demand: Honor Memory of Trayvon Martin by Demanding Gun Control
@momsdemand
Twitter/@MomsDemand
by AWR Hawkins
27 Feb 201793
On February 26, 2017–the fifth anniversary of the day on which George Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin in self-defense–Moms Demand Action asked supporters to honor the memory of Martin by demanding gun control.
Zimmerman shot Martin on February 26, 2012 and was acquitted of murder charges in July 2013. He then faced an investigation by Barack Obama’s Department of Justice, which sought to determine if Zimmerman could be charged with a civil rights violation for shooting Martin. But on February 24, 2015, the Associated Press reported that the DOJ could not find evidence sufficient to warrant federal charges.
The DOJ said:
This decision [not to charge Zimmerman] is limited strictly to the department’s inability to meet the high legal standard required to prosecute the case under the federal civil rights statutes; it does not reflect an assessment of any other aspect of the shooting.
Yet despite the fact that Zimmerman was acquitted on grounds of self-defense and not charged federally by the DOJ, Moms Demand describes him as an “armed vigilante” and uses the death of Martin as a call for more gun control:
Moms Demand Action
✔ @MomsDemand
5 years ago today, Trayvon Martin was fatally shot by an armed vigilante while walking home from buying candy.
Honor him with ACTION.
8:35 AM - 26 Feb 2017
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/02/27/moms-demand-honor-member-trayvon-martin-demanding-gun-control/
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Moms Demand: Honor Memory of Trayvon Martin by Demanding Gun Control
@momsdemand
Twitter/@MomsDemand
by AWR Hawkins
27 Feb 201793
On February 26, 2017–the fifth anniversary of the day on which George Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin in self-defense–Moms Demand Action asked supporters to honor the memory of Martin by demanding gun control.
Zimmerman shot Martin on February 26, 2012 and was acquitted of murder charges in July 2013. He then faced an investigation by Barack Obama’s Department of Justice, which sought to determine if Zimmerman could be charged with a civil rights violation for shooting Martin. But on February 24, 2015, the Associated Press reported that the DOJ could not find evidence sufficient to warrant federal charges.
The DOJ said:
This decision [not to charge Zimmerman] is limited strictly to the department’s inability to meet the high legal standard required to prosecute the case under the federal civil rights statutes; it does not reflect an assessment of any other aspect of the shooting.
Yet despite the fact that Zimmerman was acquitted on grounds of self-defense and not charged federally by the DOJ, Moms Demand describes him as an “armed vigilante” and uses the death of Martin as a call for more gun control:
Moms Demand Action
✔ @MomsDemand
5 years ago today, Trayvon Martin was fatally shot by an armed vigilante while walking home from buying candy.
Honor him with ACTION.
8:35 AM - 26 Feb 2017
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/02/27/moms-demand-honor-member-trayvon-martin-demanding-gun-control/
An idiot shooting another idiot is cause for gun control?
Shit these people are missing the boat they need to start yelling about all the shootings in chicago
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Florida university to award degree to Trayvon Martin
CNN ^ | 5/4/2017
Posted on 5/4/2017, 4:26:44 PM by Altura Ct.
The slain Florida teenager -- killed by George Zimmerman five years ago -- will be awarded a posthumous bachelor's degree in aeronautical science from Florida Memorial University.
Martin's parents, Sabrina Fulton and Tracy Martin, will accept the degree on his behalf during the school's spring commencement on May 13. Fulton is an alumnus of the school, a historically black university in Miami Gardens, Florida.
The aeronautics degree is in "honor of the steps he took during his young life toward becoming a pilot," the school said in a Facebook post. Florida Memorial's Department of Aviation and Safety has a designated Cessna pilot training center, and the school also houses the Trayvon Martin Foundation.
"Trayvon had an obvious love of flying," university spokeswoman April R. Silver told CNN. Martin took some aviation classes in high school.
On her Twitter page Fulton thanked the university for honoring her son.
(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...
Hysterical!!! ha ha ha
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Florida university to award degree to Trayvon Martin
CNN ^ | 5/4/2017
Posted on 5/4/2017, 4:26:44 PM by Altura Ct.
The slain Florida teenager -- killed by George Zimmerman five years ago -- will be awarded a posthumous bachelor's degree in aeronautical science from Florida Memorial University.
Martin's parents, Sabrina Fulton and Tracy Martin, will accept the degree on his behalf during the school's spring commencement on May 13. Fulton is an alumnus of the school, a historically black university in Miami Gardens, Florida.
The aeronautics degree is in "honor of the steps he took during his young life toward becoming a pilot," the school said in a Facebook post. Florida Memorial's Department of Aviation and Safety has a designated Cessna pilot training center, and the school also houses the Trayvon Martin Foundation.
"Trayvon had an obvious love of flying," university spokeswoman April R. Silver told CNN. Martin took some aviation classes in high school.
On her Twitter page Fulton thanked the university for honoring her son.
(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...
Hysterical!!! ha ha ha
Seriously? Ridiculous.
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George Zimmerman charged with misdemeanor stalking
BY AVERY ANAPOL - 05/07/18
George Zimmerman, the Florida man who was acquitted in 2013 in the shooting death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, has been charged with a misdemeanor for allegedly stalking a private investigator.
Court records allege that Zimmerman “did willfully, maliciously, and repeatedly follow, harass, or cyberstalk” Dennis Albert Warren.
The charges were filed in March in Seminole County Court and say that Zimmerman stalked Warren in late December.
The arraignment will take place on May 30.
Zimmerman was famously acquitted for the shooting death of Martin, who was unaramed, alleging that he acted in self-defense.
In 2016, a Florida man who claimed he shot at George Zimmerman in self-defense was sentenced to 20 years in prison after being found guilty of attempted second-degree murder.
Matthew Apperson fired a single bullet at Zimmerman as the two were driving in May 2015.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/386564-george-zimmerman-charged-with-misdemeanor-stalking
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Wow, the guy got 20 years.
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George Zimmerman charged with misdemeanor stalking
BY AVERY ANAPOL - 05/07/18
George Zimmerman, the Florida man who was acquitted in 2013 in the shooting death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, has been charged with a misdemeanor for allegedly stalking a private investigator.
Court records allege that Zimmerman “did willfully, maliciously, and repeatedly follow, harass, or cyberstalk” Dennis Albert Warren.
The charges were filed in March in Seminole County Court and say that Zimmerman stalked Warren in late December.
The arraignment will take place on May 30.
Zimmerman was famously acquitted for the shooting death of Martin, who was unaramed, alleging that he acted in self-defense.
In 2016, a Florida man who claimed he shot at George Zimmerman in self-defense was sentenced to 20 years in prison after being found guilty of attempted second-degree murder.
Matthew Apperson fired a single bullet at Zimmerman as the two were driving in May 2015.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/386564-george-zimmerman-charged-with-misdemeanor-stalking
Seems ironic, doesn't it?
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Wow, the guy got 20 years.
Crazy. What's crazier is no one has done the job yet. This dude is asking for it constantly.
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George Zimmerman charged with misdemeanor stalking
BY AVERY ANAPOL - 05/07/18
George Zimmerman, the Florida man who was acquitted in 2013 in the shooting death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, has been charged with a misdemeanor for allegedly stalking a private investigator.
Court records allege that Zimmerman “did willfully, maliciously, and repeatedly follow, harass, or cyberstalk” Dennis Albert Warren.
The charges were filed in March in Seminole County Court and say that Zimmerman stalked Warren in late December.
The arraignment will take place on May 30.
Zimmerman was famously acquitted for the shooting death of Martin, who was unaramed, alleging that he acted in self-defense.
In 2016, a Florida man who claimed he shot at George Zimmerman in self-defense was sentenced to 20 years in prison after being found guilty of attempted second-degree murder.
Matthew Apperson fired a single bullet at Zimmerman as the two were driving in May 2015.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/386564-george-zimmerman-charged-with-misdemeanor-stalking
Stalking a private investigator?
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‘Rest In Power: The Trayvon Martin Story’: Paramount Network Docuseries Gets Premiere Date & Trailer
Deadline ^
Posted on 7/2/2018, 3:31:44 PM by TigerClaws
Paramount Network has slotted July 30 at 10 PM for the premiere of Rest In Power: The Trayvon Martin Story. The network also unveiled the full trailer for the six-part original docuseries, which recounts the life and legacy of Trayvon Martin, whose 2012 shooting death polarized the nation and gave rise to the #BlackLivesMatter movement.
Trayvon Martin was an unarmed 17-year-old African American high school student shot and killed by a neighborhood watch member in the Sanford, Florida community on February 26, 2012 where he was visiting a friend with his father. George Zimmerman was acquitted of a second-degree murder charge utilizing Florida’s Stand Your Ground Law, claiming he shot Martin in self-defense.
The fatal encounter between Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman and the subsequent trial sparked nationwide outrage and protests and shined an unforgiving light on issues including race, politics, power, money and, gun control.
Interviews combined with home videos, family photos, and news footage provide an intimate look at the story of a young life tragically cut short and that spurred a movement giving rise to a rallying cry that still resonates today, #BlackLivesMatter.
Featured in the docuseries are Trayvon Martin’s parents Sybrina Fulton and Tracy Martin; Martin family lawyer Donald Crump, Angela Rye, Reverend Al Sharpton, Angela Davis and Carmelo Anthony, among others.
Rest in Power: The Trayvon Martin Story also addresses the significant cultural and societal issues surrounding the tragedy as well as an in-depth examination into the investigation, trial, and the not-guilty verdict.
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‘Rest In Power: The Trayvon Martin Story’: Paramount Network Docuseries Gets Premiere Date & Trailer
Deadline ^
Posted on 7/2/2018, 3:31:44 PM by TigerClaws
Paramount Network has slotted July 30 at 10 PM for the premiere of Rest In Power: The Trayvon Martin Story. The network also unveiled the full trailer for the six-part original docuseries, which recounts the life and legacy of Trayvon Martin, whose 2012 shooting death polarized the nation and gave rise to the #BlackLivesMatter movement.
Trayvon Martin was an unarmed 17-year-old African American high school student shot and killed by a neighborhood watch member in the Sanford, Florida community on February 26, 2012 where he was visiting a friend with his father. George Zimmerman was acquitted of a second-degree murder charge utilizing Florida’s Stand Your Ground Law, claiming he shot Martin in self-defense.
The fatal encounter between Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman and the subsequent trial sparked nationwide outrage and protests and shined an unforgiving light on issues including race, politics, power, money and, gun control.
Interviews combined with home videos, family photos, and news footage provide an intimate look at the story of a young life tragically cut short and that spurred a movement giving rise to a rallying cry that still resonates today, #BlackLivesMatter.
Featured in the docuseries are Trayvon Martin’s parents Sybrina Fulton and Tracy Martin; Martin family lawyer Donald Crump, Angela Rye, Reverend Al Sharpton, Angela Davis and Carmelo Anthony, among others.
Rest in Power: The Trayvon Martin Story also addresses the significant cultural and societal issues surrounding the tragedy as well as an in-depth examination into the investigation, trial, and the not-guilty verdict.
I could sum his "life and legacy" pretty succinctly: Stop breaking the law. Be a good student. Never beat the crap out of a stranger, because he might have a loaded gun.
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Sums it up for me and what I'm going to post may surprise you.
Obama's actions on improving race relations , had the opposite effect.
When he said that Trayvon could have been my son, it showed bias.
That with sending his atty gen ( Holder) to Ferguson, Missouri and supporting thug Micheal Brown was wrong.
I can understand backing a decent citizen that was wrongly abused by police.
BUT, he kept siding with the thugs and drug dealers instead.
That turned off me, my wife and I lot of other white folks that voted.
I can understand WHY people voted for Trump. I really can.
My wife and I would have voted for any decent, experienced republican over Hillary.
I didn't think Trump was some evil Hitler2.0, but I did think he was an immature buffoon .
For that matter, I never understood why his base LOVES his crude manner and insulting rhetoric, until recently.
Look at the way Trump supproters post here on the politics forum.
Being polite and having manners is looked upon as being weak and PC ( by them).
I don't when or how Trump's run will end. But it will end at some time in the future.
I'm convinced the truth will come out on his corruption but many in his base will say it was fixed.
Like diehard fans that see their team lose , they will scream how the refs cheated.
What the heck do Martin and Zimmerman have to do with Trump? And why do you keep repeating who you voted for every dang day that you post?? Nobody cares.
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Sums it up for me and what I'm going to post may surprise you.
Obama's actions on improving race relations , had the opposite effect.
When he said that Trayvon could have been my son, it showed bias.
That with sending his atty gen ( Holder) to Ferguson, Missouri and supporting thug Micheal Brown was wrong.
I can understand backing a decent citizen that was wrongly abused by police.
BUT, he kept siding with the thugs and drug dealers instead.
That turned off me, my wife and I lot of other white folks that voted.
I can understand WHY people voted for Trump. I really can.
My wife and I would have voted for any decent, experienced republican over Hillary.
I didn't think Trump was some evil Hitler2.0, but I did think he was an immature buffoon .
For that matter, I never understood why his base LOVES his crude manner and insulting rhetoric, until recently.
Look at the way Trump supproters post here on the politics forum.
Being polite and having manners is looked upon as being weak and PC ( by them).
I don't when or how Trump's run will end. But it will end at some time in the future.
I'm convinced the truth will come out on his corruption but many in his base will say it was fixed.
Like diehard fans that see their team lose , they will scream how the refs cheated.
Brown isn't/wasn't Martin, just to be clear. Entirely different situations, completely different individuals.
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I could sum his "life and legacy" pretty succinctly: Stop breaking the law. Be a good student. Never beat the crap out of a stranger, because he might have a loaded gun.
If he has a loaded gun, though, "beating the crap" out of him could be a matter of standing your ground.
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If he has a loaded gun, though, "beating the crap" out of him could be a matter of standing your ground.
Nobody was standing their ground in that situation. Martin was on top of Zimmerman beating the crap out of him "MMA style."
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Nobody was standing their ground in that situation. Martin was on top of Zimmerman beating the crap out of him "MMA style."
Attempting to "pin" one another was the other description, with one or both of them "crying" (similar) with neither attempting to run away when told about calling police.
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Martin was a kid, and I've never understood the hate toward him. He was minding his own business.
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Attempting to "pin" one another was the other description, with one or both of them "crying" (similar) with neither attempting to run away when told about calling police.
One of them was on the ground getting pounded in the face (Zimmerman). Zimmerman had the broken nose. Zimmerman had the cuts and bruises on the back of his head. Martin had grass stains on his knees and bruises on his knuckles. Zimmerman was obviously the person yelling for help, as the most credible witness in the trial (IMO) who had the best angle said it was Zimmerman. Plus Martin's father initially said the voice crying for help was not Martin.
And just from a purely logical standpoint, the person beating the crap out of someone isn't going to be calling for help.
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One of them was on the ground getting pounded in the face (Zimmerman). Zimmerman had the broken nose. Zimmerman had the cuts and bruises on the back of his head. Martin had grass stains on his knees and bruises on his knuckles. Zimmerman was obviously the person yelling for help, as the most credible witness in the trial (IMO) who had the best angle said it was Zimmerman. Plus Martin's father initially said the voice crying for help was not Martin.
And just from a purely logical standpoint, the person beating the crap out of someone isn't going to be calling for help.
With a gun up for grabs, they both had reason to yell.
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Sums it up for me and what I'm going to post may surprise you.
Obama's actions on improving race relations , had the opposite effect.
When he said that Trayvon could have been my son, it showed bias.
That with sending his atty gen ( Holder) to Ferguson, Missouri and supporting thug Micheal Brown was wrong.
I can understand backing a decent citizen that was wrongly abused by police.
BUT, he kept siding with the thugs and drug dealers instead.
That turned off me, my wife and I lot of other white folks that voted.
I can understand WHY people voted for Trump. I really can.
My wife and I would have voted for any decent, experienced republican over Hillary.
I didn't think Trump was some evil Hitler2.0, but I did think he was an immature buffoon .
For that matter, I never understood why his base LOVES his crude manner and insulting rhetoric, until recently.
Look at the way Trump supproters post here on the politics forum.
Being polite and having manners is looked upon as being weak and PC ( by them).
I don't when or how Trump's run will end. But it will end at some time in the future.
I'm convinced the truth will come out on his corruption but many in his base will say it was fixed.
Like diehard fans that see their team lose , they will scream how the refs cheated.
:D
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Nobody was standing their ground in that situation. Martin was on top of Zimmerman beating the crap out of him "MMA style."
When you are mounted on top of someone bashing their head on the cement then you forfeit your right to be alive. If that is indeed what happened, then Zim-Zam was well withing his rights to smoke check him.
The American negro is a highly aggressive and violent creature. Especially the ones that the press refers to as "teens". It's best not to engage with them. You will either end up an assault victim or you'll be on trial for defending yourself.
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Ashtrayvon, like Michael Brown, would eventually end up dead or in prison regardless.
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Ashtrayvon, like Michael Brown, would eventually end up dead or in prison regardless.
What makes you say that about Martin?
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He was a thug. Posting pics w guns, a gold grill, calling himself nolimitnigga etc. Another waste of space going nowhere. An inventor like clock boy he was not.
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He was a thug. Posting pics w guns, a gold grill, calling himself nolimitnigga etc. Another waste of space going nowhere. An inventor like clock boy he was not.
You couldn't imagine yourself doing dumb stuff as a teenager? I'd bet if you're honest with yourself: you could.
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You couldn't imagine yourself doing dumb stuff as a teenager? I'd bet if you're honest with yourself: you could.
I did plenty of dumb shit as a teen - acting like a gangsta thug and starting fights with people was not one of them. calling myself nolimitcrackapeckerwood was not one of them either
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With a gun up for grabs, they both had reason to yell.
There was no gun up for grabs. Martin never saw the gun.
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There was no gun up for grabs. Martin never saw the gun.
Impossible to ask him. That's all you know. That's all I know.
You believe Zimmerman's word to PD that he "forgot" he "had the gun" -- and that he remained forgetful (about the gun) "the whole time".
Is that fair to say about your belief?
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Impossible to ask him. That's all you know. That's all I know.
You believe Zimmerman's word to PD that he "forgot" he "had the gun" -- and that he remained forgetful (about the gun) "the whole time".
Is that fair to say about your belief?
My belief is what the evidence at trial showed. And the jury believed.
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My belief is what the evidence at trial showed. And the jury believed.
Meaning you don't know what he claimed, making your opinion an uninformed one.
Did you agree with the OJ verdict? ???
;D ;D
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All good, no hard feelings.
Yes, he said that at one point during questioning. No one followed up on it in any way.
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‘Rest In Power: The Trayvon Martin Story’: Paramount Network Docuseries Gets Premiere Date & Trailer
Deadline ^
Posted on 7/2/2018, 3:31:44 PM by TigerClaws
Paramount Network has slotted July 30 at 10 PM for the premiere of Rest In Power: The Trayvon Martin Story. The network also unveiled the full trailer for the six-part original docuseries, which recounts the life and legacy of Trayvon Martin, whose 2012 shooting death polarized the nation and gave rise to the #BlackLivesMatter movement.
Trayvon Martin was an unarmed 17-year-old African American high school student shot and killed by a neighborhood watch member in the Sanford, Florida community on February 26, 2012 where he was visiting a friend with his father. George Zimmerman was acquitted of a second-degree murder charge utilizing Florida’s Stand Your Ground Law, claiming he shot Martin in self-defense.
The fatal encounter between Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman and the subsequent trial sparked nationwide outrage and protests and shined an unforgiving light on issues including race, politics, power, money and, gun control.
Interviews combined with home videos, family photos, and news footage provide an intimate look at the story of a young life tragically cut short and that spurred a movement giving rise to a rallying cry that still resonates today, #BlackLivesMatter.
Featured in the docuseries are Trayvon Martin’s parents Sybrina Fulton and Tracy Martin; Martin family lawyer Donald Crump, Angela Rye, Reverend Al Sharpton, Angela Davis and Carmelo Anthony, among others.
Rest in Power: The Trayvon Martin Story also addresses the significant cultural and societal issues surrounding the tragedy as well as an in-depth examination into the investigation, trial, and the not-guilty verdict.
im sure the facts of this case will be left out in the movie..it will be made BLACK vs WHITE..not RIGHT AND WRONG...even 240/strawman sided with Zimmerman during the time of the trial... hes(240/strawman) is super liberal.. (((THEY)))just trying to promote propaganda((((((HOLLYWOOD)))) against the LAW...White vs Black(divide and conquer)... brainwash their PETS...and Liberal White cucks.
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Meaning you don't know what he claimed, making your opinion an uninformed one.
Did you agree with the OJ verdict? ???
;D ;D
Meaning exactly what I said. What the evidence showed is in this thread, and is succinctly summarized by me a few posts back. I watched the entire trial. My opinion is pretty informed.
OJ was guilty as sin. What he heck does that have to do with the price of tea in China??
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Meaning exactly what I said. What the evidence showed is in this thread, and is succinctly summarized by me a few posts back. I watched the entire trial. My opinion is pretty informed.
OJ was guilty as sin. What he heck does that have to do with the price of tea in China??
How original. ::)
:D ;D
Okay, thought your last post may have been for immediate convenience.
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A person who's okay with the outcome must believe Zimmerman "forgot" that he "had the gun" and furthermore that he remained forgetful of it throughout the "whole" time.
Despite admitting, or saying (as expected, whether it's true or not true idk) that he was fearful, from the time he was still in the safety of his truck -- when he says Martin approached and looked at him.
Otherwise, the person must ask why he'd lie about the gun. There's only one reason he'd do that.
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How original. ::)
:D ;D
Okay, thought the last answer may have been for immediate convenience.
Can you translate this into English? Have no idea what you are saying.
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Can you translate this into English? Have no idea what you are saying.
To say, "if it's good enough for a jury..."
Thought that's what you might've meant. Just checking.
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To say, "if its good enough for a jury..."
Thought that's what you might've meant. Just checking.
No I don't believe all jury decisions are correct. I believe the jury in George Zimmerman's trial was correct based on the evidence.
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Trayvon Martin’s mother Sybrina Fulton is running for office
NY Post ^ | May 19, 2019 | Laura Italiano
Posted on 5/19/2019, 5:42:32 AM by EinNYC
The mother of Trayvon Martin is running for a seat on the Miami-Dade County Commission, the Miami Herald reported Saturday.
Since the death of her 17-year-old son, Sybrina Fulton has been advocating for social justice and an end to gun violence.
(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...
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Trayvon Martin’s mother Sybrina Fulton is running for office
NY Post ^ | May 19, 2019 | Laura Italiano
Posted on 5/19/2019, 5:42:32 AM by EinNYC
The mother of Trayvon Martin is running for a seat on the Miami-Dade County Commission, the Miami Herald reported Saturday.
Since the death of her 17-year-old son, Sybrina Fulton has been advocating for social justice and an end to gun violence.
(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...
Her platform ought to be: how a series of poor life choices can lead to a tragic untimely death.
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No I don't believe all jury decisions are correct. I believe the jury in George Zimmerman's trial was correct based George wanting to be white and Trayvon being a Ni66er.
Hope this helps clarify things.
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Hope this helps clarify things.
No, you changing what I wrote doesn't change the fact that you have yet to make a positive contribution to the board. But like I keep telling you, keep hope alive. You can do it. I believe in you.
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No, you changing what I wrote doesn't change the fact that you have yet to make a positive contribution to the board. But like I keep telling you, keep hope alive. You can do it. I believe in you.
Whatever you need to tell yourself champ.
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Whatever you need to tell yourself champ.
I'm not telling myself anything. I'm telling you. Don't give up. You are the little train that could.
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I'm not telling myself anything. I'm telling you. Don't give up. You are the little train that could.
Trust me, that's exactly what you are doing. Chug along little choo choo.
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Trust me, that's exactly what you are doing. Chug along little choo choo.
lol The "I know you are but what am I" response? lol It's ok. I know you have limited tools to work with, but like I've repeatedly said, I am not giving up hope. :)
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lol The "I know you are but what am I" response? lol It's ok. I know you have limited tools to work with, but like I've repeatedly said, I am not giving up hope. :)
Chuga, chuga, chuga, chuga, choo-choo!
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That's right Mortiz. No independent thought allowed.
Los Angeles Lakers' Moritz Wagner apologizes for liking tweet defending George Zimmerman
By Ryan Gaydos | Fox News
Los Angeles Lakers rookie Mortiz Wagner apologized Wednesday for appearing to like a tweet that defended George Zimmerman over the murder of Trayvon Martin in 2012.
Wagner’s Twitter account showed he had liked a tweet that read: “Zimmerman killed a man who bigger than him after said man attacked him unprovoked and pounded his head into pavement ‘mma style.’ He has to sign ‘racist paraphernalia’ because the Black community he had volunteered his time to help prior to the incident tried to ruin him…”
TMZ Sports took a screenshot of the tweet. The tweet has since-been unliked.
Wagner, who is from Germany and played college basketball at Michigan, later tweeted an apology over his social media activity.
“I’d like to apologize and say I genuinely have no idea how that tweet was liked from my account,” Wagner wrote. “I would never purposely like something so terrible, and I’m sorry to anyone I hurt.”
Moe Wagner
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I’d like to apologize and say I genuinely have no idea how that tweet was liked from my account. I would never purposely like something so terrible, and I’m sorry to anyone I hurt.
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Wagner has also been linked to trade talks. ESPN reported the Lakers are shopping him, Jemerrio Jones and Isaac Bonga in hopes to clear salary to have more money to sign a superstar in the summer.
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/los-angeles-lakers-moritz-wagner-apologizes-for-liking-george-zimmerman-tweet
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That's right Mortiz. No independent thought allowed.
Los Angeles Lakers' Moritz Wagner apologizes for liking tweet defending George Zimmerman
By Ryan Gaydos | Fox News
Los Angeles Lakers rookie Mortiz Wagner apologized Wednesday for appearing to like a tweet that defended George Zimmerman over the murder of Trayvon Martin in 2012.
Wagner’s Twitter account showed he had liked a tweet that read: “Zimmerman killed a man who bigger than him after said man attacked him unprovoked and pounded his head into pavement ‘mma style.’ He has to sign ‘racist paraphernalia’ because the Black community he had volunteered his time to help prior to the incident tried to ruin him…”
TMZ Sports took a screenshot of the tweet. The tweet has since-been unliked.
Wagner, who is from Germany and played college basketball at Michigan, later tweeted an apology over his social media activity.
“I’d like to apologize and say I genuinely have no idea how that tweet was liked from my account,” Wagner wrote. “I would never purposely like something so terrible, and I’m sorry to anyone I hurt.”
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I’d like to apologize and say I genuinely have no idea how that tweet was liked from my account. I would never purposely like something so terrible, and I’m sorry to anyone I hurt.
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Wagner has also been linked to trade talks. ESPN reported the Lakers are shopping him, Jemerrio Jones and Isaac Bonga in hopes to clear salary to have more money to sign a superstar in the summer.
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/los-angeles-lakers-moritz-wagner-apologizes-for-liking-george-zimmerman-tweet
What a pussy. I don't know how it got linked from my account. Racist little weasel. Own it and stop being a bitch.
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What a pussy. I don't know how it got linked from my account. Racist little weasel. Own it and stop being a bitch.
What exactly makes Mortiz Wagner (now of the Washington Bullets) a racist?
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If this little scumbag was alive today, I'd bet he would already be in prison.
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This is a great example of how 1 sided and tribal most issues are now.
Independent thought is sunned and shamed in favor of group think.
We may not agree on much , but at least I TRY to use objective, independent judgement.
And this is exactly why you are allowed to stay
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Wait, are there people out there STILL trying to blame Trayvon? No way!
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Wait, are there people out there STILL trying to blame Trayvon? No way!
Are you saying he's not to blame?
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Wait, are there people out there STILL trying to blame Trayvon? No way!
Ashtrayvon was a thug.
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George Zimmerman Sues Trayvon Martin's Family For More Than $100 Million
December 4, 2019
BILL CHAPPELL
George Zimmerman is suing the family of the teenager he shot nearly eight years ago, seeking more than $100 million from Trayvon Martin's parents, their attorney and others. Zimmerman claims he was the victim of a conspiracy, along with malicious prosecution and defamation.
Martin's family has responded with a statement saying there's no evidence to back Zimmerman's contentions that he was the victim of a conspiracy.
Zimmerman was acquitted on all charges related to his shooting of Martin, who was 17 and unarmed when Zimmerman shot and killed him in a gated Florida community where Martin's father lived. Zimmerman claimed he shot Martin in self-defense during a scuffle. Zimmerman had faced charges of second-degree murder and manslaughter in the case, which also shed light on Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law.
Zimmerman and his lawyer, the controversial attorney Larry Klayman, allege that Rachel Jeantel, a key witness for the prosecution who testified about being on the phone with Martin just before the shooting, was an impostor. They accuse her of standing in for another teenager, Brittany Diamond Eugene, whom the suit describes as Jeantel's half sister who did not want to testify in the case.
In the lawsuit filed in Florida state court, Zimmerman and Klayman allege defamation by Martin family attorney Benjamin Crump. Their suit also names Martin's parents, Sybrina Fulton and Tracy Martin, along with Jeantel and Eugene. Also included: several Florida prosecutors, the state of Florida and its law enforcement department — and HarperCollins, which recently published Open Season, Crump's book about violence toward black people.
Responding to the lawsuit, Crump's office released a joint statement in which the attorney and Martin's parents said:
"I have every confidence that this unfounded and reckless lawsuit will be revealed for what it is – another failed attempt to defend the indefensible and a shameless attempt to profit off the lives and grief of others."
Accusing Zimmerman of "revictimizing individuals whose lives were shattered by his own misguided actions," Crump, Fulton and Martin said there is no credible proof to back Zimmerman's claims.
"This tale defies logic," they said, "and it's time to close the door on these baseless imaginings."
Klayman, the founder of Judicial Watch whose other clients include the conspiracy theorist Jerome Corsi, made headlines this year when a legal ethics panel recommended that he be suspended for misconduct regarding his actions toward a female client who had refused to enter into a romantic relationship with him.
As he unveiled Zimmerman's new lawsuit on Wednesday, Klayman said he would hold a news conference about the case on Thursday. That session will be held at a movie theater; Klayman is inviting journalists to view a new documentary about the Martin case that centers on the lawsuit's allegations.
https://www.npr.org/2019/12/04/784846004/george-zimmerman-sues-trayvon-martins-family-for-more-than-100-million?utm_term=nprnews&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_source=twitter.com
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George Zimmerman Sues Trayvon Martin's Family For More Than $100 Million
December 4, 2019
BILL CHAPPELL
George Zimmerman is suing the family of the teenager he shot nearly eight years ago, seeking more than $100 million from Trayvon Martin's parents, their attorney and others. Zimmerman claims he was the victim of a conspiracy, along with malicious prosecution and defamation.
Martin's family has responded with a statement saying there's no evidence to back Zimmerman's contentions that he was the victim of a conspiracy.
Zimmerman was acquitted on all charges related to his shooting of Martin, who was 17 and unarmed when Zimmerman shot and killed him in a gated Florida community where Martin's father lived. Zimmerman claimed he shot Martin in self-defense during a scuffle. Zimmerman had faced charges of second-degree murder and manslaughter in the case, which also shed light on Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law.
Zimmerman and his lawyer, the controversial attorney Larry Klayman, allege that Rachel Jeantel, a key witness for the prosecution who testified about being on the phone with Martin just before the shooting, was an impostor. They accuse her of standing in for another teenager, Brittany Diamond Eugene, whom the suit describes as Jeantel's half sister who did not want to testify in the case.
In the lawsuit filed in Florida state court, Zimmerman and Klayman allege defamation by Martin family attorney Benjamin Crump. Their suit also names Martin's parents, Sybrina Fulton and Tracy Martin, along with Jeantel and Eugene. Also included: several Florida prosecutors, the state of Florida and its law enforcement department — and HarperCollins, which recently published Open Season, Crump's book about violence toward black people.
Responding to the lawsuit, Crump's office released a joint statement in which the attorney and Martin's parents said:
"I have every confidence that this unfounded and reckless lawsuit will be revealed for what it is – another failed attempt to defend the indefensible and a shameless attempt to profit off the lives and grief of others."
Accusing Zimmerman of "revictimizing individuals whose lives were shattered by his own misguided actions," Crump, Fulton and Martin said there is no credible proof to back Zimmerman's claims.
"This tale defies logic," they said, "and it's time to close the door on these baseless imaginings."
Klayman, the founder of Judicial Watch whose other clients include the conspiracy theorist Jerome Corsi, made headlines this year when a legal ethics panel recommended that he be suspended for misconduct regarding his actions toward a female client who had refused to enter into a romantic relationship with him.
As he unveiled Zimmerman's new lawsuit on Wednesday, Klayman said he would hold a news conference about the case on Thursday. That session will be held at a movie theater; Klayman is inviting journalists to view a new documentary about the Martin case that centers on the lawsuit's allegations.
https://www.npr.org/2019/12/04/784846004/george-zimmerman-sues-trayvon-martins-family-for-more-than-100-million?utm_term=nprnews&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_source=twitter.com
This is an amazing allegation. If true - man, oh, man - the Zim-Zam is getting much more than Richard Jewel ever imagined.
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It will most likely be thrown out, but you got to admire his cajones. 8)
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For those not wanting to watch the new two-hour Trayvon Martin Hoax documentary (link below), here is a spoiler:
They key witness who got George Zimmerman arrested and testified at trial (Rachel Gentile) was not Trayvon Martin's girlfriend, was not on the phone with him when Trayvon Martin confronted George Zimmerman, and did not write the letter to Martin's mother. The person who was actually on the phone was Rachel Gentile's half sister Brittany Diamond Eugene. Rachel Gentile literally could not read or write. And Trayvon Martin's mother was in on this scam.
Something like this should be all over the media. Not only is this documentary not getting put on blast, you have to put in very specific search terms on Google or youtube to find it. The left is so incredibly dishonest.
Here it is:
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For those not wanting to watch the new two-hour Trayvon Martin Hoax documentary (link below), here is a spoiler:
They key witness who got George Zimmerman arrested and testified at trial (Rachel Gentile) was not Trayvon Martin's girlfriend, was not on the phone with him when Trayvon Martin confronted George Zimmerman, and did not write the letter to Martin's mother. The person who was actually on the phone was Rachel Gentile's half sister Brittany Diamond Eugene. Rachel Gentile literally could not read or write. And Trayvon Martin's mother was in on this scam.
Something like this should be all over the media. Not only is this documentary not getting put on blast, you have to put in very specific search terms on Google or youtube to find it. The left is so incredibly dishonest.
Here it is:
I saw that a few years ago. Seemingly incredible corruption on the part of the prosecution, and Trayvon's mom played along.
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I saw that a few years ago. Seemingly incredible corruption on the part of the prosecution, and Trayvon's mom played along.
I just looked again and didn't realize this came out in 2019. Holy smokes. I had no idea. There has been radio silence for years about this. But I'm not surprised.
I'm going to watch the Fall of Minneapolis next (about George Floyd).
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This was always just another race hoax by liberal idiots.
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I saw that a few years ago. Seemingly incredible corruption on the part of the prosecution, and Trayvon's mom played along.
I would expect his mom to play along. It was her son and I’m sure he’s devastated and hasn’t fully come to terms with the situation. Sucks that the kid got smoked. Had it been a white kid getting shot by a black man in this same situation, I’m sure the comments on social media would’ve been “he fucked around and found out” or something like that.
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I would expect his mom to play along. It was her son and I’m sure he’s devastated and hasn’t fully come to terms with the situation. Sucks that the kid got smoked. Had it been a white kid getting shot by a black man in this same situation, I’m sure the comments on social media would’ve been “he fucked around and found out” or something like that.
My sadness for the parents is tempered by their complicity in promoting the image of a 12-year-old, sweet-faced kid. I was bothered by the story of an adult shooting a kid, and then I learned that the kid was a full grown man beating the crap out of a guy who happened to have a gun.
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My sadness for the parents is tempered by their complicity in promoting the image of a 12-year-old, sweet-faced kid. I was bothered by the story of an adult shooting a kid, and then I learned that the kid was a full grown man beating the crap out of a guy who happened to have a gun.
No doubt and I agree with you on all points. I doubt the kid thought he was going to die and I doubt his intention was to kill the zimm. But, thems the breaks. Zimm had a gun and was within his rights to do what he did, as judged by a jury of his peers.
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Interesting discussion. Thanks for posting. Funny how they reluctantly had to admit the evidence of the scam was overwhelming. They kept qualifying their comments, but were intellectually honest enough to look at and accept the evidence. The fact the mainstream media has never exposed this scam is a sad commentary on the state of journalism.
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My sadness for the parents is tempered by their complicity in promoting the image of a 12-year-old, sweet-faced kid. I was bothered by the story of an adult shooting a kid, and then I learned that the kid was a full grown man beating the crap out of a guy who happened to have a gun.
This is almost word for word what I have been saying for years.
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This is almost word for word what I have been saying for years.
Either great minds... or I'm the Claudine Gay of Getbig. ;D
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Interesting discussion. Thanks for posting. Funny how they reluctantly had to admit the evidence of the scam was overwhelming. They kept qualifying their comments, but were intellectually honest enough to look at and accept the evidence. The fact the mainstream media has never exposed this scam is a sad commentary on the state of journalism.
You're welcome. Legacy media lost their way a while ago. I still read it to see what they're plotting and planning.
I scanned the channel and see some interesting topics.
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Either great minds... or I'm the Claudine Gay of Getbig. ;D
;D
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You're welcome. Legacy media lost their way a while ago. I still read it to see what they're plotting and planning.
I scanned the channel and see some interesting topics.
I just watched this one about George Floyd. They are realizing just how badly the media and politicians lie to us.