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Great natural Genetics
(http://i41.tinypic.com/vyjvt.jpg)
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This guy has been a known user for awhile
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This guy has been a known user for awhile
Of Plasmosis?
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dude is skinned,muscle is full,cross striations, muscle pop's.back alone looks nuts ,very hard to believe natural/clean 99.999 pct no,,,
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Dude should just step on the gas for 9 - 12 months, win the Arnold and then retire. (Rolling eyes icon here)
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ahahaha
what's the bet there still going to be naive idiots trying to defend this guy.
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his most muscular looks rather natural TBH. side chest shot and the back shot are very questionable. those glutes are too good to be true
natural
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his most muscular looks rather natural TBH.
lol
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lol
did I just pull a goudy/captain equipoise? FUCK ;D
I'd expect his shoulders to 'pop' more, chest to be thicker, and bigger quads for a juicer especially considering what he looks like elsewhere (glutes for example)
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dude is strong as an ox- a while back someone posted a vid of him deadlifting really heavy shit (on the order of 600 lbs) for good set of 8-10 reps
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P E D
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This guy has been a known user for awhile
What's his getbig username?
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What's his getbig username?
Billy Gunns. ;D
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dude is strong as an ox- a while back someone posted a vid of him deadlifting really heavy shit (on the order of 600 lbs) for good set of 8-10 reps
600 x 10? Link?
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600 x 10? Link?
a bit off on the memory (as always)
405 x 30:
565 x 9:
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Right on Thanks.
Strong, very strong. If dude were clean (which he absolutely is not) he could easily jump on the gear for a year and pull 800.
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495x17, among others...
Edit:
Too slow.
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From this interview
http://www.simplyshredded.com/doug-miller-interview.html (http://www.simplyshredded.com/doug-miller-interview.html)
--"I graduated as valedictorian with degrees in Biochemistry and Molecular Biology and Economics."
If I'm reading this right, he acquired three undergrad degrees (Otherwise, the first two subjects are conjoined in a single degree.)
Perhaps one of our savvy investigator types can affirm whether this bold claim is really true.
--"After I graduated, my Biochemistry background allowed me to perform my own research and investigation into proper nutrition and supplementation, which really helped me make gains."
Bahahahah. There's always a subtle explanation these guys pitch for how they acquire gains that look exactly as if they were drug-induced.
From the comments section:
"You are the epitome of the total Natural Bodybuilder and you live the lifestyle everyday!" -- Rico
Rico is exactly right, though not in the sense he imagines. ;D
A "triple" major in two completely unrelated disciplines (science & business), landing the valedictorian spot... Unless he went to a 2-year community college or one of those "alternative" universities online, I'd call bullshit.
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A "triple" major in two completely unrelated disciplines (science & business), landing the valedictorian spot... Unless he went to a 2-year community college or one of those "alternative" universities online, I'd call bullshit.
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Agreed. Those kind of cats don't normally spend too much time in the gym.
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I'm gonna jump on here and defend Doug because I know him personally, have trained with him countless times, had him over at my place for dinner, invited me to his wedding and vice versa.
I will go on record and say I have never seen a more determined person in regards to bodybuilding than Doug, dude trains harder than a beast and is so anal about his nutrition its annoying.
Either way he could care less what you all think. Doug owns his own gym, his own supplement company, and his own supplement store, works as a top manager at a top firm in DC and drives a sick sick sick ass v8 6.0 liter super car. Truly laughing his way to the bank.
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LUV2LIE
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I'm gonna jump on here and defend Doug because I know him personally, have trained with him countless times, had him over at my place for dinner, invited me to his wedding and vice versa.
I will go on record and say I have never seen a more determined person in regards to bodybuilding than Doug, dude trains harder than a beast and is so anal about his nutrition its annoying.
Either way he could care less what you all think. Doug owns his own gym, his own supplement company, and his own supplement store, works as a top manager at a top firm in DC and drives a sick sick sick ass v8 6.0 liter super car. Truly laughing his way to the bank.
Do you believe he's natural, Ach?
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Yes I do believe he is natural.... and I don't blame you for thinking I am a naive little bitch because Doug really Does look like a freak!
Haters gonna haaaaate
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Yes I do believe he is natural.... and I don't blame you for thinking I am a naive little bitch because Doug really Does look like a freak!
Haters gonna haaaaate
You seriously believe he is natural? ::) ::) It looks like he could step on a pro stage at a low level show. First IFBB natural pro, huh? ::) ::)
If he is natural, guess he has better genetics than ronnie coleman ::) ::)
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I'm gonna jump on here and defend Doug because I know him personally, have trained with him countless times, had him over at my place for dinner, invited me to his wedding and vice versa.
I will go on record and say I have never seen a more determined person in regards to bodybuilding than Doug, dude trains harder than a beast and is so anal about his nutrition its annoying.
Either way he could care less what you all think. Doug owns his own gym, his own supplement company, and his own supplement store, works as a top manager at a top firm in DC and drives a sick sick sick ass v8 6.0 liter super car. Truly laughing his way to the bank.
Guess what, Ach? I can really give a shit less what kind of car he drives. Whats your point?
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I told him many times he should just do the team universe and blow that shit away but he is humble and is like, oh I dunno if I would even break top 10. I bet he will do it in the next 5-10 years.
Guess what, Ach? I can really give a shit less what kind of car he drives. Whats your point?
My point is that people are knocking his degrees and what have you when he has really proven himself and done so well with his business ventures.
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I told him many times he should just do the team universe and blow that shit away but he is humble and is like, oh I dunno if I would even break top 10. I bet he will do it in the next 5-10 years.
My point is that people are knocking his degrees and what have you when he has really proven himself and done so well with his business ventures.
Maybe people are knocking him because he is a filthy liar.
What you're basically saying is that this guy has better genetics than the top IFBB pros. If he looks like that naturally, imagine what he would look like on the sauce. Would blow Ronnie Coleman out of the water.
If he wasnt your friend, you would be saying he in the sauce as well.
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I believe he's natural
(http://www.bodybuilders.com.au/forum/download/file.php?id=13359)
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Maybe people are knocking him because he is a filthy liar.
What you're basically saying is that this guy has better genetics than the top IFBB pros. If he looks like that naturally, imagine what he would look like on the sauce. Would blow Ronnie Coleman out of the water.
If he wasnt your friend, you would be saying he in the sauce as well.
You are right I would be. But because I know him personally, I saw How he lives his life, never misses a meal or a work out, never cheats on the diet on or offseason, has passed many many drug tests. He is a freak period.
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You are right I would be. But because I know him personally, I saw How he lives his life, never misses a meal or a work out, never cheats on the diet on or offseason, has passed many many drug tests. He is a freak period.
Great, but there are thousands and thousands of people that do this, even people with awesome genetics that never look like this. The difference is that your friend is on drugs. Just accept this fact and move on.
As for passing the drug tests, wow, just about anyone can pass a drug test if they know what to do.
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You are right I would be. But because I know him personally, I saw How he lives his life, never misses a meal or a work out, never cheats on the diet on or offseason, has passed many many drug tests. He is a freak period.
With all due respect habibi (and you know I love you, أحبك يا أخي), all of the IFBB pros I know personally have never failed a drug tests and all love to claim natural.
You might know him very well, but I highly doubt you go home with him at night or even take a peek as he injects in his bathroom before going to bed.
Things he has against him with regards to his ability to look this way:
(A) He is white
(B) He was a full-time student
(C) He has a full time job
(D) He would be the first man on the planet to have better genetics (that have somehow managed to express themselves in an superhuman fashion without steroids as a catalyst) than Ronnie Coleman without ever using steroids.
..But fuck do I know, I just enjoy a clean anus in the morning with no fecal matter around the corners,
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Dude is 5'7 or 5'8 and competes at 185 - 190 - thats hardly IFBB level.
As I said - I really don't blame you guys for calling me a naive bitch, I believe he is natural. And no I have no proof that he is... it is because we're friends and I'm taking his word for it.
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Dude is 5'7 or 5'8 and competes at 185 - 190 - thats hardly IFBB level.
As I said - I really don't blame you guys for calling me a naive bitch, I believe he is natural. And no I have no proof that he is... it is because we're friends and I'm taking his word for it.
Yes, because no one ever lies to their friends ::) ::)
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Yes, because no one ever lies to their friends ::) ::)
If he is lying he's lying... so be it! As I said, if he says he's natural I'm gonna believe him!
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If he is lying he's lying... so be it! As I said, if he says he's natural I'm gonna believe him!
Deep down you really know the truth. You're being blinded by your emotions attached to him.
Logically, you know the truth.
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I'm gonna jump on here and defend Doug because I know him personally, have trained with him countless times, had him over at my place for dinner, invited me to his wedding and vice versa.
I will go on record and say I have never seen a more determined person in regards to bodybuilding than Doug, dude trains harder than a beast and is so anal about his nutrition its annoying.
Either way he could care less what you all think. Doug owns his own gym, his own supplement company, and his own supplement store, works as a top manager at a top firm in DC and drives a sick sick sick ass v8 6.0 liter super car. Truly laughing his way to the bank.
I can appreciate your wanting to go on the record defending your friend, but the fact is that neither your nor his opinion is relevant to the current discussion -- the almost certain fact that lying is a core of his being, possibly to the detriment of naive fitness enthusiasts and other young persons.
That doesn't mean he isn't a hard worker, or that you haven't had positive experiences with him.
Also, I can't speak for the others, but I am merely participating in the discussion due to a calm mix of amusement, curiosity, and horror; I don't care enough to "hate."
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Deep down you really know the truth. You're being blinded by your emotions attached to him.
Logically, you know the truth.
No because I genuinely believe many on here (and in general) really underestimate what can be achieved naturally!
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Dude is 5'7 or 5'8 and competes at 185 - 190 - thats hardly IFBB level.
As I said - I really don't blame you guys for calling me a naive bitch, I believe he is natural. And no I have no proof that he is... it is because we're friends and I'm taking his word for it.
He might be from another planet. That's possible too, right?
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Right on Thanks.
Strong, very strong. If dude were clean (which he absolutely is not) he could easily jump on the gear for a year and pull 800.
Ok, just for the skae of argument,let's pretend we were going to debate this in open court.
I would use as my evidence that he was clean- the numerous drug tests he has passed in recent yrs.
So what's your evidence he is juiced, that would hold up in court as a counter to my evidence? Just curious.
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Dude is 5'7 or 5'8 and competes at 185 - 190 - thats hardly IFBB level.
As I said - I really don't blame you guys for calling me a naive bitch, I believe he is natural. And no I have no proof that he is... it is because we're friends and I'm taking his word for it.
i'm not gonna slam u or him ,,but it has nothing to do with what u wrote ,,thats hardly ifbb 185-190 skinned ,,he's skinned striations in his back and ass,,,let me tell u i have seen 175 lb usa winners middleweights with same condition and height on everything under the sun,,,they turn or can turn pro winning the national title thats ifbb pro regardless if they step on pro stage or not,,,'weight'means nothing,,,its size plus this insane condition thats debatable.
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Ok, just for the skae of argument,let's pretend we were going to debate this in open court.
I would use as my evidence that he was clean- the numerous drug tests he has passed in recent yrs.
So what's your evidence he is juiced, that would hold up in court as a counter to my evidence? Just curious.
We dont have any evidence. There is nothing that would hold up in court. We dont even know the guy, so its an impossible question to answer. What evidence could we provide except using COMMON SENSE!
Would we need evidence that Ronnie Coleman took steroids? No. Its common sense. May not be sufficient evidence in court, but some things you just know.
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Yes he's Natural as Gustavo Badell pretends he's 100% Natural ::)
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I told him many times he should just do the team universe and blow that shit away but he is humble and is like, oh I dunno if I would even break top 10. I bet he will do it in the next 5-10 years.
My point is that people are knocking his degrees and what have you when he has really proven himself and done so well with his business ventures.
yes, this is coming from a guy who walked out of his house, wearing a skin tight white lingerie shirt, with his belly hanging out
yes your quite credible and living in reality
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ive noticed alot of these guys that claim natural do very well in business and have respectable jobs.no doubt they have very upstanding friends and associates that possibly aren't into the BB/gym thing but are aware that steroids are "bad"
thus theres every reason to say your natural.
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yes, this is coming from a guy who walked out of his house, wearing a skin tight white lingerie shirt, with his belly hanging out
yes your quite credible and living in reality
That shirt is probably the most hideous thing I've ever seen a grown man wear!And I've seen pictures of Gay Pride festivals!(no homo).
Every time Fat Ach defends a guy like this he just outs himself as the user he has been in some of his better contest showings.He knows if he supports a guy like this it can make it seem like he has always been natural too.
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We dont have any evidence. There is nothing that would hold up in court. We dont even know the guy, so its an impossible question to answer. What evidence could we provide except using COMMON SENSE!
Would we need evidence that Ronnie Coleman took steroids? No. Its common sense. May not be sufficient evidence in court, but some things you just know.
Yeah, I figured you didn't have any actual proof.
LOL, I would love to see you in a murder trial.
Your honor, we have no weopon , no DNA and no actual evidence he was even at the murder scene.
BUT we know he did it because he LOOKS like a killer.
I rest my case hahahaha
Here is what I KNOW. The guy has passed numerous drug tests in various natty shows. He only weighs around 185 -190 in contest shape.
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Yeah, I figured you didn't have any actual proof.
LOL, I would love to see you in a murder trial.
Your honor, we have no weopon , no DNA and no actual evidence he was even at the murder scene.
BUT we know he did it because he LOOKS like a killer.
I rest my case hahahaha
Here is what I KNOW. The guy has passed numerous drug tests in various natty shows. He only weighs around 185 -190 in contest shape.
Did you need proof to know for sure that Michael Jackson had plastic surgery?no you didn't, because you could see it.The amount of muscle the guy holds being as lean as he is is the dead giveaway.
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Ok, just for the skae of argument,let's pretend we were going to debate this in open court.
I would use as my evidence that he was clean- the numerous drug tests he has passed in recent yrs.
So what's your evidence he is juiced, that would hold up in court as a counter to my evidence? Just curious.
My lawyer is in prison for DUI. I have to postpone our court case.
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That shirt is probably the most hideous thing I've ever seen a grown man wear!And I've seen pictures of Gay Pride festivals!(no homo).
Every time Fat Ach defends a guy like this he just outs himself as the user he has been in some of his better contest showings.He knows if he supports a guy like this it can make it seem like he has always been natural too.
yes that thing he he was wearing clarifies the level of delusion he is at. its like some ghetto black woman wearing fishnet shirts over her nasty ashy tub of lard body. that shirt and seeing his silver dollar dark filthy nipples and fat belly hanging out made me think of just that. some ugly ghetto hoe at the bus stop.
then to see he starts a thread about his new diet, the subway guy diet, just completes the level of insanity this man lives in. he is like a woman, eats for emotional reasons.
otherwise he is a nice fellow it seems
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My lawyer is in prison for DUI. I have to postpone our court case.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=453661.0;attach=498581)
the most amazing thing in this thread is that someone actually thought they looked good in a lingerie shirt and posed for a picture in it.
and then posted it on fucking getbig. unbelievable. yet it happened.
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fucking hell Big Ach what the hell were you thinking?! ;D
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You seriously believe he is natural? ::) ::) It looks like he could step on a pro stage at a low level show. First IFBB natural pro, huh? ::) ::)
If he is natural, guess he has better genetics than ronnie coleman ::) ::)
lol, ach is a steroid user himself..what do you expect.
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yes that thing he he was wearing clarifies the level of delusion he is at. its like some ghetto black woman wearing fishnet shirts over her nasty ashy tub of lard body. that shirt and seeing his silver dollar dark filthy nipples and fat belly hanging out made me think of just that. some ugly ghetto hoe at the bus stop.
then to see he starts a thread about his new diet, the subway guy diet, just completes the level of insanity this man lives in. he is like a woman, eats for emotional reasons.
otherwise he is a nice fellow it seems
LOL well ummm... thanks at least for that last line!
Yeah I used to have a collection of some really outrageous shirts! Mesh, Spandex, see through.... had a ton of crazy shit! Those were the first things my wife tossed out of the window when we got married! Used to wear that shit out in clubs with no shame!
I remember one night I was wearing this one shirt at a club in DC, and some guy bumped into me with his lit cigarette and the hot end hit my shirt and it just fucking melted right on my chest!
Check out this mesh shirt I bought in Paris! ;D (And there is Doug in the background!)
(http://www.ahmedelattar.com/images/reemodougach.jpg)
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Yeah, I figured you didn't have any actual proof.
LOL, I would love to see you in a murder trial.
Your honor, we have no weopon , no DNA and no actual evidence he was even at the murder scene.
BUT we know he did it because he LOOKS like a killer.
I rest my case hahahaha
Here is what I KNOW. The guy has passed numerous drug tests in various natty shows. He only weighs around 185 -190 in contest shape.
Stupid post of the year, but no surprise coming from you.
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Yeah, I figured you didn't have any actual proof.
LOL, I would love to see you in a murder trial.
Your honor, we have no weopon , no DNA and no actual evidence he was even at the murder scene.
BUT we know he did it because he LOOKS like a killer.
I rest my case hahahaha
Here is what I KNOW. The guy has passed numerous drug tests in various natty shows. He only weighs around 185 -190 in contest shape.
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He only weighs around 185 -190 in contest shape.
3 time mr olympia frank zane weighed just around, or a tad more
this guy is the same height and similar weight and absolutely shredded
even arnold off the sauce wouldn't hold this much lean muscle
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3 time mr olympia frank zane weighed just around, or a tad more
this guy is the same height and similar weight and absolutely shredded
even arnold off the sauce wouldn't hold this much lean muscle
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185-190 in contest shape at 5'8' is fucking big. Shawn Ray came 2nd at the O at 196. But diet and training has improved so much since then ::)
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185-190 in contest shape at 5'8' is fucking big. Shawn Ray came 2nd at the O at 196. But diet and training has improved so much since then ::)
Was Shawn Ray ever this shredded?
(http://www.bodybuilders.com.au/forum/download/file.php?id=13359)
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Was Shawn Ray ever this shredded?
(http://www.bodybuilders.com.au/forum/download/file.php?id=13359)
this year, not sure what year
there is also a pic of his back somewhere
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185-190 in contest shape at 5'8' is fucking big. Shawn Ray came 2nd at the O at 196. But diet and training has improved so much since then ::)
goes to show, if shawn was around in this day and age of advanced natural diets and supps, who knows what could've been....
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Credit to Big Ach for sticking by his friend, we should all be so lucky to have friends like that... Credit also to Douglas for keeping up the facade for so long! -takes a smart guy to bullshit for so long to so many!
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Dude is 5'7 or 5'8 and competes at 185 - 190 - thats hardly IFBB level.
As I said - I really don't blame you guys for calling me a naive bitch, I believe he is natural. And no I have no proof that he is... it is because we're friends and I'm taking his word for it.
That's heavy for being natural with such low body-fat!
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takes a smart guy to bullshit for so long to so many!
I disagree, you just have to have no conscience
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another lying scumbag piece of shit, what the fuck happened to getbig? I mean half of the posters in this thread seem to believe this nonsense?!
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I disagree, you just have to have no conscience
and to be a narcissistic sociopath
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I disagree, you just have to have no conscience
No conscience (I think) comes into play if he has nothing to lose. Obviously he's got plenty on the line so being honest is not going to endear him to the people signing his pay check.
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No conscience (I think) comes into play if he has nothing to lose. Obviously he's got plenty on the line so being honest is not going to endear him to the people signing his pay check.
But then he's either lying to Ach ( I believe he's told Ach about his drug use) or Ach knows he's a user like himself.The fact they are friends and have pics in Paris together, plus Ach's seemingly "Enhanced" near Contest Pics seems to suggest the latter.
Its sad that most of Achs seemingly good qualities get tainted when he has to lie, you have to wonder how much of the other sides to his personality are a public lie too.
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5'7-5'8 @ 185-190 virtually skinless is fucking huge looking. Jim Cordova claims 163-165 in contest shape at 5'6-5'7 and there isn't a soul on here that believes hes natural..why the fuck would Doug be? Must be because he doesn't cheat in the off season ::)
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Behind every fortune, there's a crime.
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Yes I do believe he is natural.... and I don't blame you for thinking I am a naive little bitch because Doug really Does look like a freak!
Haters gonna haaaaate
dude.... what were you thinking when you put that shirt on?
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What's the definition of someone who lies, cheats, deceives, believes they're 'good', makes money off others naiveness and doesn't feel a shred of guilt or remorse...?
Hmmmm
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His drug tests will hold up in court like Lance Armstrong's did.
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What's the definition of someone who lies, cheats, deceives, believes they're 'good', makes money off others naiveness and doesn't feel a shred of guilt or remorse...?
Hmmmm
and to be a narcissistic sociopath
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That's your argument? Really, that's the example you want to use? LOL
I now realize ( yet again) that trying to debate any BB drug issue vs natural is silly here on getbig.
Logic , proof and reason are out and "group think bro science" rule the day here at get big hahaha.
In the end despite the fact this guy has actual drug tests that would even hold up in court, you folks just know better.
I guess you embrace the motto; " Don't confuse me with the facts."
You've been around bbing longer than a lot here. Of all people you should know what's what
Sounds like you're just trying to go against the grain and prove others wrong
Unless you really believe what you're saying....
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Yeah, I figured you didn't have any actual proof.
LOL, I would love to see you in a murder trial.
Your honor, we have no weopon , no DNA and no actual evidence he was even at the murder scene.
BUT we know he did it because he LOOKS like a killer.
I rest my case hahahaha
Here is what I KNOW. The guy has passed numerous drug tests in various natty shows. He only weighs around 185 -190 in contest shape.
I have no idea what drug tests he passed. Chris Benoit used to pass the WWE's drug tests as well.
just sayin.....
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Those videos of him deadlifting are insane.
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I have no idea what drug tests he passed. Chris Benoit used to pass the WWE's drug tests as well.
just sayin.....
Lie detector - lie
Urine - masking agents, don't take tested drugs, or time use accordingly
Aren't tests done randomly ? tests cost money
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and to be a narcissistic sociopath
My thoughts exactly...
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That's your argument? Really, that's the example you want to use? LOL
I now realize ( yet again) that trying to debate any BB drug issue vs natural is silly here on getbig.
Logic , proof and reason are out and "group think bro science" rule the day here at get big hahaha.
In the end despite the fact this guy has actual drug tests that would even hold up in court, you folks just know better.
I guess you embrace the motto; " Don't confuse me with the facts."
naive
His drug tests will hold up in court like Lance Armstrong's did.
owned
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I'm gonna jump on here and defend Doug because I know him personally, have trained with him countless times, had him over at my place for dinner, invited me to his wedding and vice versa.
I will go on record and say I have never seen a more determined person in regards to bodybuilding than Doug, dude trains harder than a beast and is so anal about his nutrition its annoying.
Either way he could care less what you all think. Doug owns his own gym, his own supplement company, and his own supplement store, works as a top manager at a top firm in DC and drives a sick sick sick ass v8 6.0 liter super car. Truly laughing his way to the bank.
It's the Getbig mantra: If you look halfway decent (bodybuilding-wise), you ain't natural.
I'm glad I built 18" arms and got to nearly 250 lbs (offseason, not contest), before I joined this site in 2003. Otherwise, my hopes would be crushed.
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He blows away every bodybuilder in Poland and vast majority of bodybuilders in Europe. I don't give a fuck about his contest weight, he comes in shredded to the BONE, I mean we can easily call him one of most shredded guys in the history of fucking bodybuilding. With this insane condition he is able to hold a lot of size...
Yeah he's natural, I believe him. ::) ::) ::)
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I'm gonna jump on here and defend Doug because I know him personally, have trained with him countless times, had him over at my place for dinner, invited me to his wedding and vice versa.
I will go on record and say I have never seen a more determined person in regards to bodybuilding than Doug, dude trains harder than a beast and is so anal about his nutrition its annoying.
Either way he could care less what you all think. Doug owns his own gym, his own supplement company, and his own supplement store, works as a top manager at a top firm in DC and drives a sick sick sick ass v8 6.0 liter super car. Truly laughing his way to the bank.
He lies just like you do ;)
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He lies just like you do ;)
You're just jealous of his shirt
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ach.................. a 4 cent piece of illuminati paper doesnt make a man..................hea rt and sould does, forget his cars, forget his gyms, his money etc..........when shit hits the fan hes gonna be just like everyone else in america, either on the side of the materialistic bought off pussys nwo, or with the resistance, butter dont mean shit in reality bro
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Yes I do believe he is natural.... and I don't blame you for thinking I am a naive little bitch because Doug really Does look like a freak!
Haters gonna haaaaate
Have you checked all his kitchen & bedroom cabinets?
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All drugs and bad song selection too.
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It's the Getbig mantra: If you look halfway decent (bodybuilding-wise), you ain't natural.
I'm glad I built 18" arms and got to nearly 250 lbs (offseason, not contest), before I joined this site in 2003. Otherwise, my hopes would be crushed.
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Bingo!
Like me, you made some decent gains without drugs. In my glory days I competed against a couple natural guys that had better genetics then me and they beat me without any of us on drugs.
Like you, I would also think drugs were "everything" if I had not experienced what I could do without any.
I don't think I'm the greatest natural freak in existance. So it always seemed reasonable to me that a few gifted guys could be bigger and more ripped, then me, without drugs.
The best "Raw" ( no bench shirt) lift is around 714 lbs by this massive beast named Mendelson.
The best unlimited bench with "straight jacket type shirt" lift is around 1000 lbs.
Since you can see the guy actually lifting raw without a bench shirt, you are forced to accept it as fact.
Now, I don't know about you, but I wouldn't want to even try to hold 700 lbs laying on the bench with my arms locked.
The real issue here is the perception that nobody can build an impressive, ripped contest body without drugs.
The reality is that every Mr Olympia ( since 1965) used some form of steroids and PED.
The biggest bench lifts on record have all been done wearing some kind of support shirt.
BUT, one look at the raw records shows that a few gifted guys can lift more then the avg gym rat could dream was possible.
Put that gifted raw lifter in a bench shirt, and you have a world class lifter.
Either way, the gifted lifter has jaw dropping strength, that few possess.
I've been in/around bodybuilding since the 1970's and have seen various gifted bodybuilders at a variety of wts.
One thing is always obvious when I see a gifted bodybuilder on stage.
Drugs can only ENHANCE what nature gave them. Without the right genetic look, all the drugs in the world won't make you a champion.
Plus, every top bodybuilder has to endure some form of a diet and contest prep to look 100% ripped and conditioned on stage.
From 1983-1987 I took moderate cycles of various common steriods, one drug a a time. I currently use prescribed Androgel to help keep my testosterone levels in the ideal range ( * 600-700 mg/dL) .
When I ran track I could sprint faster on a good track wearing spikes then I could on a road.
However, no track ,spikes or drug was going to allow me to compete with Ussain Bolt.
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His drug tests will hold up in court like Lance Armstrong's did.
I'd say the drug tests did finally hold up as conclusive since USADA independent lab retesting which forced Team Lance to give back all his Tour De France prixe $$ and drop their legal fight. next question?
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Howard, you know any legit naturals with glute cuts and that much size/definition?
Yeah, you can get 18" arms, but not that level of defintion. Slight difference.
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Howard, you know any legit naturals with glute cuts and that much size/definition?
Yeah, you can get 18" arms, but not that level of defintion. Slight difference.
i agree... always look like Auschwitz victims below 4% BF
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This guy Doug isn't going to tell the truth to a guy (Ach) who walks around with a shirt 3 sizes too small with the words "hot stuff" on the front and a belly hanging over the sides...No fukcing way this guy would take Ach seriously. No way and no offense to Ach. Of course Doug isn't going to talk to you about gear.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=453686.0
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Howard, you're saying that Miller was directly tested by the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA)?
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One thing for sure Miller in that one picture is one of the most ripped bodybuilders of all time.
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Howard, you're saying that Miller was directly tested by the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA)?
LOL, of course not. I watched the video and nothing about him suggests to me he has to be juiced.
I suspect he is simply a genetic freak in terms of cuts and definition, etc.
He is a 1 in a million kind of freak when it comes to getting ripped.
There are 7 ft tall freaks that are uncommon but just grew that tall naturally.
I have seen a handful of 'em over my 35 yrs in bodybuilding.
Having said that, most natural contest drug tests are NOT very rigorous due a lack of $$ and resources.
I don't think he MUST be "on something" but I wouldn't be shocked if he was .
I'm not naive as I might sound and fully realize that bodybuilding is full of myths, bullshit ,smoke and mirrors.
In my book, the guy looks great and he has passed whatever drug tests the organization requires.
Sure is is ripped and impressive but a lot lighter then IFBB pros in similar condition.
In my opinion drugs have become so common in hardcore bodybuildng, it is almost a NON issue for me.
I don't think they can turn most guys into top bodybuilders, but realize millions abuse drugs anway.
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Sure is is ripped and impressive but a lot lighter then IFBB pros in similar condition.
99.9 % of NPC national competitors use steroids and are smaller/lighter than IFBB pros .
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i'm not gonna slam u or him ,,but it has nothing to do with what u wrote ,,thats hardly ifbb 185-190 skinned ,,he's skinned striations in his back and ass,,,let me tell u i have seen 175 lb usa winners middleweights with same condition and height on everything under the sun,,,they turn or can turn pro winning the national title thats ifbb pro regardless if they step on pro stage or not,,,'weight'means nothing,,,its size plus this insane condition thats debatable.
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True that
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dude.... what were you thinking when you put that shirt on?
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LOL, of course not. I watched the video and nothing about him suggests to me he has to be juiced.
I suspect he is simply a genetic freak in terms of cuts and definition, etc.
He is a 1 in a million kind of freak when it comes to getting ripped.
There are 7 ft tall freaks that are uncommon but just grew that tall naturally.
I have seen a handful of 'em over my 35 yrs in bodybuilding.
Having said that, most natural contest drug tests are NOT very rigorous due a lack of $$ and resources.
I don't think he MUST be "on something" but I wouldn't be shocked if he was .
I'm not naive as I might sound and fully realize that bodybuilding is full of myths, bullshit ,smoke and mirrors.
In my book, the guy looks great and he has passed whatever drug tests the organization requires.
Sure is is ripped and impressive but a lot lighter then IFBB pros in similar condition.
In my opinion drugs have become so common in hardcore bodybuildng, it is almost a NON issue for me.
I don't think they can turn most guys into top bodybuilders, but realize millions abuse drugs anway.
Fair points. Ultimately he's the only one who knows.
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Ultimately he's the only one who knows.
What about the guy he gets it off?
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I've learned a lot about bodybuilding from Doug, dude has helped me out a lot.
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It's the Getbig mantra: If you look halfway decent (bodybuilding-wise), you ain't natural.
I'm glad I built 18" arms and got to nearly 250 lbs (offseason, not contest), before I joined this site in 2003. Otherwise, my hopes would be crushed.
;D
Sounds bloofy.
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I'm gonna jump on here and defend Doug because I know him personally, have trained with him countless times, had him over at my place for dinner, invited me to his wedding and vice versa.
I will go on record and say I have never seen a more determined person in regards to bodybuilding than Doug, dude trains harder than a beast and is so anal about his nutrition its annoying.
Either way he could care less what you all think. Doug owns his own gym, his own supplement company, and his own supplement store, works as a top manager at a top firm in DC and drives a sick sick sick ass v8 6.0 liter super car. Truly laughing his way to the bank.
and as we (you and I ) both know, DC is full of liars, it's DC!
People lie like taking a breath. I mean, look Kamali used to work out down there, and his delusional ex girlfriend Bethany.
I know you have good intentions, but that dude is shady, and he plays he game well....keep good, honest friends close to verify your "character". It's a ploy.
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Truly laughing his way to the bank.
To have his blood filtered?
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I've learned a lot about bodybuilding from Doug, dude has helped me out a lot.
Clearly not as much as he's helped himself
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Great natural Genetics
(http://i41.tinypic.com/vyjvt.jpg)
yes, great natty genetics response to hormones.
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LOL, of course not. I watched the video and nothing about him suggests to me he has to be juiced.
I suspect he is simply a genetic freak in terms of cuts and definition, etc.
And you still question why no one takes you seriously on this site after statements like that?
The fact is there are no genetic freaks like that in existence, it's impossible to look like that without drugs.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=453661.0;attach=498581)
the most amazing thing in this thread is that someone actually thought they looked good in a lingerie shirt and posed for a picture in it.
this pic of filt liar Miller on the right shows the classic roiders' face
red, chubby chipmunk cheeks
all the way filt liar
oh yeah, Lance armstrong said he was natural and passed all the drug "tests"
and then posted it on fucking getbig. unbelievable. yet it happened.
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I dont think this guy has ever failed a drug test. He must be natural ::) ::)
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/coleman/rc62.jpg)
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I dont think this guy has ever failed a drug test. He must be natural ::) ::)
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/coleman/rc62.jpg)
good everyday look. doesn't need a ton of drugs.
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good everyday look. doesn't need a ton of drugs.
Hard work, dedication, good diet and training and most can look like him.
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Filty liar, he's as natural as booty's sexual fetishes.
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Hard work, dedication, good diet and training and most can look like him.
Not forgetting the Ronnie Coleman Signature Series. ;)
http://www.ronniecoleman.net/products.php
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Not forgetting the Ronnie Coleman Signature Series. ;)
http://www.ronniecoleman.net/products.php
Yes, must buy every single one of his supplements to look like him.
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Not forgetting the Ronnie Coleman Signature Series. ;)
http://www.ronniecoleman.net/products.php
filt
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filt
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I've been friends with Vic for over 20 years. I can honestly say, he has never failed a drug test.
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I met Kaz in 1982. We got drunk together in 1991. He has never failed a drug test.
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We got drunk together in 1991.
did you regret it the next morning?
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did you regret it the next morning?
Oh hell no. He was super sweet. (no homo)
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I've been friends with Vic for over 20 years. I can honestly say, he has never failed a drug test.
Then he must be natural.
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I've been friends with Vic for over 20 years. I can honestly say, he has never failed a drug test.
Gosh, Ronnie and Vic should have had a posedown at some stage! :o
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Then he must be natural.
It only makes sense.
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I've been friends with Vic for over 20 years. I can honestly say, he has never failed a drug test.
Yes and he took the same number of drug tests as pro contests he actually competed in= 0.
There is a BIG difference between taking and passing actual drug tests vs never taking any tests...doah!
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Fair points. Ultimately he's the only one who knows.
Yup! The guy is ripped and lb or lb impressive but is a loooooooooooooooooong way from a top under 212 class IFBB pro.
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185-190 in contest shape at 5'8' is fucking big.
your crackin me up-what is this 1970...
Thats funny..lol
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your crackin me up-what is this 1970...
Thats funny..lol
Maybe not on the Internet but in real life it is. Too many permabulkers with no idea what they would weigh shredded.
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his most muscular looks rather natural TBH. side chest shot and the back shot are very questionable. those glutes are too good to be true natural
i tend to agree..bt im seeing a lack of fullness that u tend to see in gear users..
something about natties that have them looking a bit stringy. this guy looks stringy.
unlike the other experts here, i dont see any reason to say he's lying, in fact his physique looks like a big nattie.
ripped, sure, but ive seen really ripped natties, just genetics, i know they dont use cos they dont even hardly train.
you guys need to work on gathering evidence, not piles of consensus from a mob of people who dont have any facts.
if 50 people say he's a liar, is he?..with nothing other than pics to go by?... by that rationale, a bald dude with a goatee is an aryan skinhead.
i dont see any gyno, and puffiness, acne..and even those things can appear on natties...
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i tend to agree..bt im seeing a lack of fullness that u tend to see in gear users..
something about natties that have them looking a bit stringy. this guy looks stringy.
unlike the other experts here, i dont see any reason to say he's lying, in fact his physique looks like a big nattie.
ripped, sure, but ive seen really ripped natties, just genetics, i know they dont use cos they dont even hardly train.
you guys need to work on gathering evidence, not piles of consensus from a mob of people who dont have any facts.
if 50 people say he's a liar, is he?..with nothing other than pics to go by?... by that rationale, a bald dude with a goatee is an Caucasian skinhead.
i dont see any gyno, and puffiness, acne..and even those things can appear on natties...
We'll never prove that this man uses some form of chemical assistance; we're simply making an "inference to the best explanation" with regard to the pictures on display, which indicate pro level shreddedness. Now, we can either accept the explanation that our friend Doug happens to have better genetics than Ronnie Coleman, in which case if he does decide to gear up he will be one of the best bodybuilders that ever lived, or we can accept the explanation that, just like many other well-documented instances of "natural" bodybuilders, he's already geared and is a serial liar. Do you really think the former is a better explanation than the latter?
Also, lol @ your saying the shredded natties you've seen didn't use because "they dont even hardly train." First of all, I'm not even sure what that means, but second of all, if it means what I think it means then it reinforces the opposite conclusion, for how else would someone that hardly trains have such muscle?
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Maybe not on the Internet but in real life it is. Too many permabulkers with no idea what they would weigh shredded.
True--there are a lot of over bloated wanna bees who are clueless..
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Again,
At almost same height and weight as 3 time Mr Olympia Frank Zane,
With superior conditioning?
And the fucking guy is natural ?
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Is Howard for real? Is it an act?
Is it possible that he's serious with what he's saying? I guess it is, I mean the
guy's mind works exactly like Basile's. Completely detached from reality, yet somehow
functioning in it.
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Again,
At almost same height and weight as 3 time Mr Olympia Frank Zane,
With superior conditioning?
And the fucking guy is natural ?
these dipshits don't get the concept of frame size, leaness, dryness, etc
all the see is height and weight, but since the vast majority of them are fatasses who have never ever been lean and dry in their lives, they just have no fucking clue
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lol, as natural as a penis growing on ones forehead
Haha good call
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lol, as natural as a penis growing on ones forehead
In other words, it's naturally possible?
http://africanspotlight.com/2012/06/baby-born-with-one-eye-penis-on-forehead-in-south-africa/ (http://africanspotlight.com/2012/06/baby-born-with-one-eye-penis-on-forehead-in-south-africa/) (warning, unpleasant imagery)
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In other words, its naturally possible?
http://africanspotlight.com/2012/06/baby-born-with-one-eye-penis-on-forehead-in-south-africa/ (http://africanspotlight.com/2012/06/baby-born-with-one-eye-penis-on-forehead-in-south-africa/) (warning, unpleasant imagery)
People who think they have it bad need to put things into perspective.
If you're healthy, fit and got some cash in your pocket....then life is pretty good.
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In other words, its naturally possible?
http://africanspotlight.com/2012/06/baby-born-with-one-eye-penis-on-forehead-in-south-africa/ (http://africanspotlight.com/2012/06/baby-born-with-one-eye-penis-on-forehead-in-south-africa/) (warning, unpleasant imagery)
HAHAHA OMG the comments section for this article is priceless! :D
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Is Howard for real? Is it an act?
Is it possible that he's serious with what he's saying? I guess it is, I mean the
guy's mind works exactly like Basile's. Completely detached from reality, yet somehow
functioning in it.
all these guys like him or wishbone must lie with candor otherwise I cannot imagine them being this stupid ... you can be half retarded but still not believe all these lies..funny stuff that all of them are/were users
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Bingo!
The reality is that every Mr Olympia ( since 1965) used some form of steroids and PED.
Following your arguements, you can't prove any of them did. Did you inject them personally or witness this? Perhaps they built their physiques with superior genetics? Lol. Stay on one side of the fence and stop trolling.
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I've learned a lot about bodybuilding from Doug, dude has helped me out a lot.
Not to be a douche, but what have you "learned" from him? Can you list a few things that you got from him that propelled you further than you would be if you didn't get the information?
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all these guys like him or wishbone must lie with candor otherwise I cannot imagine them being this stupid ... you can be half retarded but still not believe all these lies..funny stuff that all of them are/were users
lmao if you can't detect tommywishbone's sarcasm then you seriously have to be mentally ill.
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As natural as a penoris!
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i remember once there was an actualy honest german natural bbuilders mag which only had real natural lifters in it.
they all looked like absolute shit, like better to not even train.
the mag failed quickly, but id buy it to laugh at the guys in it.
In Germany there is no need to lie right? Cause it's legal anyway. I can understand someone not taking drugs but America is the home of lies.
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In Germany there is no need to lie right? Cause it's legal anyway. I can understand someone not taking drugs but America is the home of lies.
Are steroids legal in germany? How about that ???
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HAHAHA OMG the comments section for this article is priceless! :D
lol
"The African Negro beast is not only unpredictable in life with their depraved impulse driven tendencies toward rape, robbery and murder, but we see their females are unpredictable with their bizarre offspring. Ahhh, the Negro beast, truly a fascinating animal."
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;D
(http://i.imgur.com/ejMmWyL.png)
this is the guy
(http://www.thenaturalmusclenetwork.com/IFPA/IFPAGallery/IFPAGallery/images/Doug-Miller.jpg)
(http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/attachments/professional-muscle-forum/35897d1271482185-doug-miller-img_1333_2385x3577-medium-.jpgp)
(http://www.dougmillerpro.com/images/yorton_09/IMG_9853_2679x4019.jpg)
(http://i50.tinypic.com/23pbaf.jpg)
(http://www.dougmillerpro.com/images/updates-2.10/IMG_9979_2679x4019-(nutrition).jpg)
(http://www.dougmillerpro.com/images/doug-yorton-09_3shots.jpg)
(http://www.dougmillerpro.com/images/updates-2.10/IMG_2204_2679x4019--(training).jpg)
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He posts here some times. He is very friendly.
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He posts here some times. He is very friendly.
Maybe so, doesn't stop him from lying about his usage, I believe he is Big Achs friend.
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Amazing hamstrings. :o
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"Talk about natural roid rage LOL?"
Wtf, do u bastards ever get off the natural train? Seems like the twinks just HAVE to set yourself apart from 'the norm' of bb'ers and have to label yourself 'natural' so people might respect you more
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in before adonis says only naturals can have the dryness this guy has.
the size is misleading etcetc.
"just a meathead",eh
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Denial
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Haha owned by a fat old man making 10 times his salary.
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what a loser. ahahaha
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"I explained that I own a supplement company" :D
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Amazing hamstrings. :o
Seriously.... that picture of him curling his leg is incredible
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Either or,fucking guy looks fantastic.
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Amazing hamstrings. :o
x2
first i thought the doc was gonna say that he's sterile
LOL
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All I know is Doug is strong as an ox.
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"I explained that I own a supplement company" :D
That is why Society don't want anything to do with Bodybuilders.
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well first of all the story could be fake and made up so he could try and furthure the story he is "natural". I am not saying he is not natural.
Second, if the story IS real then he must be natural because there is no need to lie to the doctor who is going to order the blood work and all the extra test he wants to get done to your blood.
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I`ve never see striated rear delts like that on anyone ever before that I can recall.
Fucking insane conditioning!
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All I know is Doug is strong as an ox.
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Once again, a strong natty who does heavy basic compound lifts.
p4p STRENGTH, is how you spot a natty ... or a low dosage user.
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(http://www.tbivision.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/TheAngryDoctor-460x340.jpg).
"No son, it's not the Cell Tech".
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Nobodys even mentioned his biceps. Epic peaks
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What a "meath ead" ::)
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Natural my ass.
8)
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Natural my ass.
8)
Never admit to anything.
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Nothing I dislike more than assholes banging the weight on the floor when deadlifting >:(
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he could be a top IFBB pro if he ever chose to use gear.
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Nothing I dislike more than assholes banging the weight on the floor when deadlifting >:(
All the twinks who CANT squat/bench, do any exercise right
Will BOUNCE the weights off the floor when deadlifting to get the attention away from the swole dude everyone keeps looking at
Esp if they're are rednecks, goes hand in hand with the 'hardass' mentality
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"I explained that I own a supplement company" :D
;D When I get pulled over for speeding I say the same thing. Works every time.
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As a natural he is truly remarkable and a man worth taking notice of.
As a juicer he is just another guy that injects, grows, and looks decent.
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As a natural he is truly remarkable and a man worth taking notice of.
As a juicer he is just another guy that injects, grows, and looks decent.
Actually he looks better than most juicers.
Also, take the top non-competitors here on getbig that juice and compare them to this guy and he'll wipe the floor with them.
He also beats most of the competitors here who do juice.
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this guy looks better than most juicers.
you are as dumb as you are ugly
fucking hell this level of retardness is unobserved on earth so far.
front runner for biggest mongoloid walking earth 2014
are you related to jason genova.
kill yourslef, hurry up please
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you are as dumb as you are ugly
fucking hell this level of retardness is unobserved on earth so far.
front runner for biggest mongoloid walking earth 2014
are you related to jason genova.
kill yourslef, hurry up please
I see you're still butt hurt because I've exposed you as a fraud. The movement is growing and more and more people are seeing you for who you are, loser.
btw- enjoy your shoulder surgery, dipshit. :-*
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This natty blows gayleniko away. Gayleniko admits to having used steroids for over a decade - even being an abuser - yet he can't even come close to this.
Like a different planet between this man and the fagget bastard.
(http://i50.tinypic.com/23pbaf.jpg)
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you are as dumb as you are ugly
fucking hell this level of retardness is unobserved on earth so far.
front runner for biggest mongoloid walking earth 2014
are you related to jason genova.
kill yourslef, hurry up please
I know you have this "internet feud" going on with Wolfox but stick to the discussion. He makes very good points whether you like him or not.
Go start your own "insult Wolfox" thread instead of following him around and insulting everything he says.
I still can't get over that guys hamstrings. Incredible.
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(http://i873.photobucket.com/albums/ab297/starscream28/wolfoxhaha_zpsaf5b0d13.jpg) (http://s873.photobucket.com/user/starscream28/media/wolfoxhaha_zpsaf5b0d13.jpg.html)
(http://i873.photobucket.com/albums/ab297/starscream28/50-Cent-Laughing-and-Driving-Away_zps547f71f9.gif) (http://s873.photobucket.com/user/starscream28/media/50-Cent-Laughing-and-Driving-Away_zps547f71f9.gif.html)
I know you have this "internet feud" going on with Wolfox but stick to the discussion. He makes very good points whether you like him or not.
Go start your own "insult Wolfox" thread instead of following him around and insulting everything he says.
I still can't get over that guys hamstrings. Incredible.
bikini....listen,....shut the fuck up, he claims the guy is natural.
go to the kitchen or vacuum the living room or something
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I know you have this "internet feud" going on with Wolfox but stick to the discussion. He makes very good points whether you like him or not.
Go start your own "insult Wolfox" thread instead of following him around and insulting everything he says.
I still can't get over that guys hamstrings. Incredible.
This. But see unlike gayleniko I don't go and run to the mods. Instead I just put gayleniko in his place. Like always he has to run away.
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(http://i873.photobucket.com/albums/ab297/starscream28/wolfoxhaha_zpsaf5b0d13.jpg) (http://s873.photobucket.com/user/starscream28/media/wolfoxhaha_zpsaf5b0d13.jpg.html)
(http://i873.photobucket.com/albums/ab297/starscream28/50-Cent-Laughing-and-Driving-Away_zps547f71f9.gif) (http://s873.photobucket.com/user/starscream28/media/50-Cent-Laughing-and-Driving-Away_zps547f71f9.gif.html)
bikini....listen,....shut the fuck up, he claims the guy is natural.
go to the kitchen or vacuum the living room or something
Mad bro?? ::)
Seriously.....some are going to think this guy is natty....others are not.
Who cares......a person isn't an idiot for thinking either one. It's a personal opinion.
Natural or not this guy has an incredible physique for competing.
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The Dr should have examined his balls to see if he was really natural.
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bikiniskank you are incredibly daft if you wanna have a serious discussion with that retard.might aswell talk about rocketscience with genova.
by all means, go ahead, might also ask the guy in the pics what supplements work best,he own a supplement shop after all.
oh brother.
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Mad bro?? ::)
Seriously.....some are going to think this guy is natty....others are not.
Who cares......a person isn't an idiot for thinking either one. It's a personal opinion.
Natural or not this guy has an incredible physique for competing.
Haha 'natural or not', honestly, are you retarded or just horny?
???
Hilarious thread btw, and monster ownage of this scumbag.
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(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRaZaTGErMdrYBSv2cmz-mCB5NDYimmWSc_ggHrzK6JgOxMKOfVUA)
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my goodness bikini has said so much stupidity within 2 post.unpreceeded.
haha, hire wolfox as personal trainer and diet advisor
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(http://i873.photobucket.com/albums/ab297/starscream28/damir7_zps66903bc9.jpg)
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Once again, a strong natty who does heavy basic compound lifts.
p4p STRENGTH, is how you spot a natty ... or a low dosage user.
Fuck off and peddle that retarded broscience somewhere else.
low dose, lol, yeah. This douche is sweating pure trenbolone year round.
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natural aversion to the truth
liar of peace
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my goodness bikini has said so much stupidity within 2 post.unpreceeded.
haha, hire wolfox as personal trainer and diet advisor
Why?
What exactly have I said that is "stupid"? I haven't said the guy is natural. I haven't said he is not.
I don't know. I do know he's passed every drug test he's taken. He's also myostatin deficient which is why I don't want to jump on the "liar filt" bandwagon.
When someone disagrees with you, you go on a big "bash" fest. For some reason you've put yourself up on a pedestal lately.
You don't seem to have the intelligence to argue the argument and resort to insults instead.
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Myostatin deficiency ;D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D :D :D ;D
I'm dying over here
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Myostatin deficiency ;D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D :D :D ;D
I'm dying over here
Obviously 'she' is trolling but I'm sure some 14 year old on T Nation actually believes this
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Myostatin deficiency ;D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D :D :D ;D
I'm dying over here
You don't believe him?
I suppose he could have been lying but why would he? Why not just say he's a gifted natty?
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Why?
What exactly have I said that is "stupid"? I haven't said the guy is natural. I haven't said he is not.
I don't know. I do know he's passed every drug test he's taken. He's also myostatin deficient which is why I don't want to jump on the "liar filt" bandwagon.
When someone disagrees with you, you go on a big "bash" fest. For some reason you've put yourself up on a pedestal lately.
You don't seem to have the intelligence to argue the argument and resort to insults instead.
Can u check his balls for us and let us know if he is natural.
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Can u check his balls for us and let us know if he is natural.
It's all in the balls.
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You don't believe him?
I suppose he could have been lying but why would he? Why not just say he's a gifted natty?
Because then gullible people like you will say, "well I've heard he has a myostatin deficiency, so that's why he doesn't need steroids to look like that"
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Because then gullible people like you will say, "well I've heard he has a myostatin deficiency, so that's why he doesn't need steroids to look like that"
This guy DID say he had one in an interview.
I have no reason to doubt him.
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Anything under a
few grams is natural. :o
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Boy's as natural as a glass dildo shoved up a transvestite's ass in Reno on a Wednesday afternoon.
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This guy DID say he had one in an interview.
I have no reason to doubt him.
(http://www.t-nation.com/img/photos/07-bonus-013/image002.jpg)
this guy said he eats 8 lbs of meat a day
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5oioi0zNT1rs4ej4o1_500.jpg)
this guy says its all sweet potatoes
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/2812/4/d/img_07011203210974.jpg)
this guy gave video testimony -- never juiced in his life
(http://www.evolutionofbodybuilding.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Mike%2BO%E2%80%99Hearn_mdu11lFKVU1rs4ej4o1_1280.jpg)
the only thing more natural than this guy is his hair
(http://www.skiplacour.com/Neveux%202002/Ironman_Magazine_2002_-_2.jpg)
jason genova believes he's natural, so do i
(http://www.jeffwillet.com/newsite/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Bicep_Resize.jpg)
this guy managed to turn pro without so much as sniffing an exogenous hormone
(http://www.criticalbench.com/images/flex-wheeler2.jpg)
here's another natural freak with myostatin deficiency
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/2314/7294/d/img_8452.jpg)
no myostatin here...
(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/NoLimitz23/ul17.jpg)
lets not forget about the greatest champion of the all-natural musclemania event, either
(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/si/dam/assets/130117085107-lance-armstrong-single-image-cut.jpg)
this man never failed a drug test
(http://cdn.fitoverfat.com/wp-content/uploads/laynefront.jpg)
says he's "only 195" on stage at 6 ft, no way he juices
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so let's review:
1. doug miller "owns a supplement company" -- i.e. he's a snake oil industry profiteer
2. doug miller can't use paragraphs -- low intelligence, little prospect for gainful employment; reduced to con artistry
3. doug miller has a myostatin deficiency -- unverifiable, absurd pseudo-scientific justification
4. doug miller posts a five hundred word meltdown on facebook about his "natural status" -- brutal tunnel vision, immense pettiness, etc.
5. bikinislut has "no reason" to doubt him.
well, i suppose reasons don't just grow on trees, ripe for the picking...
oh wait
::)
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Don't forget to add our very own natural wonder Galeniko to the list! He's got a Marlbrostatin deficiency.
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I've always hoped, when I'm old and my T levels sink, my doc would be cool with giving me 2 grams a week.
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By his own words, he seems quite the (natural) asshole.
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I believe Gustavo is natural because he said he was. He would never lie.
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Guy looks amazing.
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(http://www.t-nation.com/img/photos/07-bonus-013/image002.jpg)
this guy said he eats 8 lbs of meat a day
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5oioi0zNT1rs4ej4o1_500.jpg)
this guy says its all sweet potatoes
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/2812/4/d/img_07011203210974.jpg)
this guy gave video testimony -- never juiced in his life
(http://www.evolutionofbodybuilding.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Mike%2BO%E2%80%99Hearn_mdu11lFKVU1rs4ej4o1_1280.jpg)
the only thing more natural than this guy is his hair
(http://www.skiplacour.com/Neveux%202002/Ironman_Magazine_2002_-_2.jpg)
jason genova believes he's natural, so do i
(http://www.jeffwillet.com/newsite/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Bicep_Resize.jpg)
this guy managed to turn pro without so much as sniffing an exogenous hormone
(http://www.criticalbench.com/images/flex-wheeler2.jpg)
here's another natural freak with myostatin deficiency
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/2314/7294/d/img_8452.jpg)
no myostatin here...
(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/NoLimitz23/ul17.jpg)
lets not forget about the greatest champion of the all-natural musclemania event, either
(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/si/dam/assets/130117085107-lance-armstrong-single-image-cut.jpg)
this man never failed a drug test
(http://cdn.fitoverfat.com/wp-content/uploads/laynefront.jpg)
says he's "only 195" on stage at 6 ft, no way he juices
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so let's review:
1. doug miller "owns a supplement company" -- i.e. he's a snake oil industry profiteer
2. doug miller can't use paragraphs -- low intelligence, little prospect for gainful employment; reduced to con artistry
3. doug miller has a myostatin deficiency -- unverifiable, absurd pseudo-scientific justification
4. doug miller posts a five hundred word meltdown on facebook about his "natural status" -- brutal tunnel vision, immense pettiness, etc.
5. bikinislut has "no reason" to doubt him.
well, i suppose reasons don't just grow on trees, ripe for the picking...
oh wait
::)
Its sad but true. I wish anabolics were legalised and no one had to keep up the front . I almost hada heart attack laughing seeing a new muscle tech ad with phil selling his ultra premium series saying "heres another favorite stacks of mine,ultra pure cla ultra pure creatine and ultra pure whey isolate" lmfao yes phil sick stack bro
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I believe Gustavo is natural because he said he was. He would never lie.
Hahahah too funny
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i fuckin hate fake natties all of them!!!
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Supposedly all tested shows he's done
http://www.thenaturalmusclenetwork.com/ocb/forms/DrugTestingGuidelines.pdf (http://www.thenaturalmusclenetwork.com/ocb/forms/DrugTestingGuidelines.pdf)
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LOL@this pic
(https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t31/1417723_10151756384842945_1138247770_o.jpg)
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/555_10151754555972945_2004268561_n.jpg)
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Look, I consider myself to be an expert judge as to who is a lifetime natural and who is not.
When a "lifetime natural" has larger arms than Ronnie Coleman, even retired and on a lot of roids still, its just not right.
Hope this helps.
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bikiniskank you are incredibly daft if you wanna have a serious discussion with that retard.might aswell talk about rocketscience with genova.
by all means, go ahead, might also ask the guy in the pics what supplements work best,he own a supplement shop after all.
oh brother.
What I ever saw in this bitch i'll never know, I actually fucking feel seriously embarrassed now, fooled again!
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The problem isn't that he takes steroids it's that he lies so fervently about being natural. No need to go to such lengths to 'prove' you are drug free. ::)
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The problem isn't that he takes steroids it's that he lies so fervently about being natural. No need to go to such lengths to 'prove' you are drug free. ::)
or not gay
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What I ever saw in this bitch i'll never know, I actually fucking feel seriously embarrassed now, fooled again!
No one will. ::)
Mad bro?? 8)
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No one will. ::)
Mad bro?? 8)
Your such dumass bikini (cute one though) I can't even stay mad at you for more than 2 minutes...lol xoxoxox Mwah! xx
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or not gay
Yeah, exactly. You get it Uncle JJ.....Some guy constantly saying 'I am not gay, never imagined a hard dick up my ass, insulted at the thought'....is protesting too much. A lot of these fake juicers are exactly the same....'I never, ever touch steroids, all natural, no myostatin, blah, blah, blah'.
Whatever.
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Yeah, exactly. You get it Uncle JJ.....Some guy constantly saying 'I am not gay, never imagined a hard dick up my ass, insulted at the thought'....is protesting too much. A lot of these fake juicers are exactly the same....'I never, ever touch steroids, all natural, no myostatin, blah, blah, blah'.
Whatever.
^ This
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Multiple cases of mental issues on display in this thread.
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With all the above said, he has some serious epic genetics.
(https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1/250990_10150916567503613_1784901736_n.jpg)
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Epic Anabollichalo hairline of peace and shortman syndrome.
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With all the above said, he has some serious epic genetics.
(https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1/250990_10150916567503613_1784901736_n.jpg)
MY O STAT IN deficiency.
I know I'm not the only one that studied this in University. I can't be.
I question many of the "I'm Natty" athletes.......I really do.
And I don't know if he's natty or not......but this is one guy I'm rooting for.
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(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1/195919_10150117033838613_2774376_n.jpg)
Arms of Peace.
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Making Gaspari look like a little bitch.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/t1/75163_161093287262974_3490969_n.jpg)
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El O EL!
(https://scontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash2/280353_244823652205611_6029752_o.jpg)
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Why?
What exactly have I said that is "stupid"? I haven't said the guy is natural. I haven't said he is not.
I don't know. I do know he's passed every drug test he's taken. He's also myostatin deficient which is why I don't want to jump on the "liar filt" bandwagon.
When someone disagrees with you, you go on a big "bash" fest. For some reason you've put yourself up on a pedestal lately.
You don't seem to have the intelligence to argue the argument and resort to insults instead.
lmao
post of the year
myostatin deficient
;D
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With all the above said, he has some serious epic genetics.
(https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1/250990_10150916567503613_1784901736_n.jpg)
Absolutely nothing to do with genetics, I can post up my 15 year old training pics, which rape this guy.
All juice.
The only fucking thing that genetics affects is how tall you are and your bone structure.
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I don't care if he is lying, that doctor should get his license revoked. I hate doctors who think they know more than us about steroids. They don't. I had a doctor who tried to lecture me about it and didn't even know what deca/nandrolone was. They are idiots.
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I don't care if he is lying, that doctor should get his license revoked. I hate doctors who think they know more than us about steroids. They don't. I had a doctor who tried to lecture me about it and didn't even know what deca/nandrolone was. They are idiots.
Hahaha.....a little harsh don't ya think??? :-\
Taking away a mans livelihood simply because he questions if someone is on steroids or not??
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Anyone who think's he isn't juicing needs to stop posting.
Genetics also affect how ripped you might be able to be, ability to gain muscle and numerous other things.
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I don't care if he is lying, that doctor should get his license revoked. I hate doctors who think they know more than us about steroids. They don't. I had a doctor who tried to lecture me about it and didn't even know what deca/nandrolone was. They are idiots.
Just because they might not be familiar with a drug does not mean they have no clue about the Endocrine system and how steroids in general affect them. One of my Biology professors in college strictly worked with the Endocrine system and was familiar with nearly all the steroids as that was what his research was about. I will never forget how he emphasized that steroids wreak absolute havoc upon the body if used over long periods of time and the difficulty for the body to ever fully recover to normal if they are stopped.
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Just because they might not be familiar with a drug does not mean they have no clue about the Endocrine system and how steroids in general affect them. One of my Biology professors in college strictly worked with the Endocrine system and was familiar with nearly all the steroids as that was what his research was about. I will never forget how he emphasized that steroids wreak absolute havoc upon the body if used over long periods of time and the difficulty for the body to ever fully recover to normal if they are stopped.
Well said.
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Just because they might not be familiar with a drug does not mean they have no clue about the Endocrine system and how steroids in general affect them. One of my Biology professors in college strictly worked with the Endocrine system and was familiar with nearly all the steroids as that was what his research was about. I will never forget how he emphasized that steroids wreak absolute havoc upon the body if used over long periods of time and the difficulty for the body to ever fully recover to normal if they are stopped.
Adonis your not natty right?
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mylosation eficiency haha.
yeah i have that to, just to a lesser degree
looks like ron coleman has it too, but also bit less than the guy
the funniest thing is how this claim fuels the delusional naturals daydreams"if he can do it naturaly,then i can too"
hahahahah
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lmao
post of the year
myostatin deficient
;D
Myostatin deficiency and kidney failure are never far apart
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One of the effects of steroids is to reduce myostatin levels, that might be the cause of his "deficiency".
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Just because they might not be familiar with a drug does not mean they have no clue about the Endocrine system and how steroids in general affect them. One of my Biology professors in college strictly worked with the Endocrine system and was familiar with nearly all the steroids as that was what his research was about. I will never forget how he emphasized that steroids wreak absolute havoc upon the body if used over long periods of time and the difficulty for the body to ever fully recover to normal if they are stopped.
well he was wrong
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If you were myostatin deficiant you wouldnt even need to lift to have huge muscles.
Do people think the myostatin deficiant cattle work out?
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Myostatin deficiency and kidney failure are never far apart
wow we agree on something
could this be the start of a reconciliation :-*
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wow we agree on something
could this be the start of a reconciliation :-*
We may have a way to go yet ;)
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If you were myostatin deficiant you wouldnt even need to lift to have huge muscles.
Do people think the myostatin deficiant cattle work out?
No shit.
If he didn't lift he'd probably look like Galeniko naturally.
Instead he looks like a 2nd tier pro IFBB bodybuilder. Some might argue first.
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Adonis your not natty right?
I am a Lifetime Natural.
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No shit.
If he didn't lift he'd probably look like Galeniko naturally.
Instead he looks like a 2nd tier pro IFBB bodybuilder. Some might argue first.
No he wouldnt, he would be as muscular as a myostatin deficiant bull, go Google one.
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he may be a hideous liar, but he comes in totaly shredded, anyone who can diet to that extreme regularly deserves a bit of love, filthy flit c.unt or not
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well he was wrong
He`s not. He specifically researched how Steroids permanently alter the rate of DNA transcription focusing on the Endocrine system.
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No he wouldnt, he would be as muscular as a myostatin deficiant bull, go Google one.
I know all about myostatin deficiencies in bovine....as does anybody who has taken a basic university biochemistry course.
You can't compare cows and humans. However if you know about myostatin defiency in humans than you know they can get muscles his size.
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We may have a way to go yet ;)
every journey begins with a first step :-*
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I know all about myostatin deficiencies in bovine....as does anybody who has taken a basic university biochemistry course.
You can't compare cows and humans. However if you know about myostatin defiency in humans than you know they can get muscles his size.
what about the issues
enlarged heart etc
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what about the issues
enlarged heart etc
What about them?
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I know all about myostatin deficiencies in bovine....as does anybody who has taken a basic university biochemistry course.
You can't compare cows and humans. However if you know about myostatin defiency in humans than you know they can get muscles his size.
No offense but where are the pictures of all these well documented cases of myostatin deficiency in humans? ::)
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well he was wrong
In other words, steroid usage leads to altered rates of Transcription of the associated genes and turns on and shuts off all kinds of biomarkers which usually have a negative effect on the body and will be irreversible.
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I know all about myostatin deficiencies in bovine....as does anybody who has taken a basic university biochemistry course.
You can't compare cows and humans. However if you know about myostatin defiency in humans than you know they can get muscles his size.
Care to post me a picture of a human with diagnosed myostatin deficiency?
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He`s not. He specifically researched how Steroids permanently alter the rate of DNA transcription focusing on the Endocrine system.
yeah so what, hes one man, meanwhile million steroid users go on gear and come off and just live.how comes.
tell him to remove the sand from his vagina.
lol"never recover"
alter dna?what else he got, throwing around complicated sounding terms.
lets see the peer review work of the man, forward his work and studies.
must be mind shattering.
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What about them?
no mention from the doctor?
are you trolling because if you believe that
im going to argue that your biochem knowledge
is a little left field
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I know all about myostatin deficiencies in bovine....as does anybody who has taken a basic university biochemistry course.
You can't compare cows and humans. However if you know about myostatin defiency in humans than you know they can get muscles his size.
::)
This kid is one of the few documented cases and he is nothing special.
(https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1/1001512_572607402791212_597747915_n.jpg)
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No offense but where are the pictures of all these well documented cases of myostatin deficiency in humans? ::)
No offense taken.
I have no idea. I've never googled it.
Myostatin deficiency doesn't mean a person IS bodybuilder muscular. However they have a much better chance of acquiring strength and or muscle compared to someone without the condition.
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True Adonis, every time a Natural vs Roid thread comes up, you get in the debate. Every time. Why is it so important to you? Who really cares? Serious question, no troll.
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Care to post me a picture of a human with diagnosed myostatin deficiency?
I have no idea where to find one. Why would I?
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I know all about myostatin deficiencies in bovine....as does anybody who has taken a basic university biochemistry course.
You can't compare cows and humans. However if you know about myostatin defiency in humans than you know they can get muscles his size.
Find me one person that is officially documented with Myostatin Deficiency and in great shape. You can`t.
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no mention from the doctor?
are you trolling because if you believe that
im going to argue that your biochem knowledge
is a little left field
I have no idea what you are even talking about in this post.
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He`s not. He specifically researched how Steroids permanently alter the rate of DNA transcription focusing on the Endocrine system.
I only disagree with the word "permanently". Please post any relevant research supporting this.
As far as I know only radiation can cause this.
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True Adonis, every time a Natural vs Roid thread comes up, you get in the debate. Every time. Why is it so important to you? Who really cares? Serious question, no troll.
Because I have an expert eye on what is natural and what is not. Most here are not capable of having that gift.
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I have no idea what you are even talking about in this post.
ok
i cant really be arsed explaining it
so i will drop out at this point :-*
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Find me one person that is officially documented with Myostatin Deficiency and in great shape. You can`t.
Are you suggesting that Palumbo's opinion doesn't qualify as "official documentation", TA?
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Find me one person that is officially documented with Myostatin Deficiency and in great shape. You can`t.
I've never tried. And by being in "great shape" do you mean having a "great physique".....because if that's the case anyone can pull up a fit looking person and claim myostatin deficiency.
But why would I?
This guy claims he has been officially documented with Myostatin Deficiency and he looks to be in great shape. What would you need from him? A doctors note?
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::)
This kid is one of the few documented cases and he is nothing special.
(https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1/1001512_572607402791212_597747915_n.jpg)
Before you actually start pulling up picks learn about what myostatin deficiency is first.
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No shit.
If he didn't lift he'd probably look like Galeniko naturally.
Instead he looks like a 2nd tier pro IFBB bodybuilder. Some might argue first.
haha yeah right.
im sure you have run into a phletora of myostatin defiecent ppl, happens all the time,they literaly everywhere.
listen. you have had some dumb dumb says on diet thread, on training threads, werent corrcted harshly enough, but not youre burying yourself in retardness.
someone has to stop this lol.
you really believe all the broscience lies out there, this is hilarious.,
the ppl on the internet who run their mouth and have no idea.
oh brother.
you are the kinda girl that is lied to by boyfrend and sucks everything up, meanwhile all his frends know hes totaly taking the piss on her, just telling her its raining,while pissing straight in her face.
THAT is you.
if dumbness would hurt, youd be screaming in pain day and even night, during sleep.
my goodnes fuck you wiht this lets gget a second opinion.
a "heads up", adonis is trolling,oh brother "second opionin"
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I only disagree with the word "permanently". Please post any relevant research supporting this.
As far as I know only radiation can cause this.
I will try to find some of his research. I do remember this though.
http://www.annualreviews.org/na101/home/literatum/publisher/ar/journals/content/genet/1985/genet.1985.19.issue-1/annurev.ge.19.120185.001233/production/annurev.ge.19.120185.001233.fp.png_v03
(http://www.annualreviews.org/na101/home/literatum/publisher/ar/journals/content/genet/1985/genet.1985.19.issue-1/annurev.ge.19.120185.001233/production/annurev.ge.19.120185.001233.fp.png_v03)
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What about them?
yeah what about them ::) ::)
you see ppl?this is what hapens when you release the women from the kitchen.when the chain breaks.
when they stop homecare duties.
this is what hap[pens
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Millers been I the gym I go to, he s a pathological liar! Lifetime natural claims and also has that attitude about him hey im a bodybuilder therefore im tough.
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I've never tried. And by being in "great shape" do you mean having a "great physique".....because if that's the case anyone can pull up a fit looking person and claim myostatin deficiency.
But why would I?
This guy claims he has been officially documented with Myostatin Deficiency and he looks to be in great shape. What would you need from him? A doctors note?
No they haven`t.
Where is the documentation? ??? ???
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I've never tried. And by being in "great shape" do you mean having a "great physique".....because if that's the case anyone can pull up a fit looking person and claim myostatin deficiency.
But why would I?
This guy claims he has been officially documented with Myostatin Deficiency and he looks to be in great shape. What would you need from him? A doctors note?
Bodybuilders and their version of the truth:
"I bench 625 in the offseason"
"I only train 3 months per year"
"800 grams of protein"
"only 2 amps of test and some deca, never tried GH, I dont have a deathwish"
"aliens built the pyramids"
So, yes, a doctors note would seem necessary.
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No they haven`t.
Where is the documentation? ??? ???
How would I know?
Maybe he gave it to the interviewer????
Why are you asking me? I don't know the guy personally. I've just read his interviews and watched some of his videos. I didn't even recognize some of his recent pics posted.
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adam,where is your professor-teachers research haha.
show me the ways.
;D
altered dna my balls.smoking a cigarete can alter your dna.
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im in reading mood for some peer reviewed stuff of adams teacher on steroids :D
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Millers been I the gym I go to, he s a pathological liar! Lifetime natural claims and also has that attitude about him hey im a bodybuilder therefore im tough.
Ask him to show you documentation of his myostatin deficiency since he discussed it in an interview.
I'm serious.
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Isnt natty just using fast esters?
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How would I know?
Maybe he gave it to the interviewer????
Why are you asking me? I don't know the guy personally. I've just read his interviews and watched some of his videos. I didn't even recognize some of his recent pics posted.
Show me the interviews and the videos and I will do some digging. Can you post them please?
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adam,where is your professor-teachers research haha.
show me the ways.
;D
altered dna my balls.smoking a cigarete can alter your dna.
Exactly and so do Steroids.
You are essentially playing with a loaded gun doing both.
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Show me the interviews and the videos and I will do some digging. Can you post them please?
No...I can't. I have no idea where they are.
I suggest you search on T-Nation and go through his Youtube vids. I remember reading a great interview with this guy and I'm pretty sure it was from T-Nation, although I can't be sure.
You go do some serious digging though! :D
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hey im natural too, life time natural, can believe me, i own a supplement shop, this should settle this.
and im myostatin dficient to a certain degree.
"just a meathead"
Exactly and so do Steroids.
adam, you better post up the studies incited by your "teacher".
lets ssee.
the irreversible dangers blablabla.
millions of ppl have went on, stayed on for long came off and funtion perfetly normal.
the rate of heart and kidney failure and diabetes cases is much much higher in the normal mob populace who dont even lift let alone do steroids.
i think my time and wasting inteligence on your trolling is not worth it, though.
this is some serious trolling, yeah its funny seeing bikiniskank being the same old sucker for thsese things, but i hope you will understand why im not wasting serious thoughts on your trolling.
carry on
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When a "lifetime natural" has larger arms than Ronnie Coleman, even retired and on a lot of roids still, its just not right.
Hope this helps.
I disagree
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRapnX9tKHG_ZRJrrwOmq-4anAKZMz9hWGOYEflJ7okVpjHMjxN)
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I disagree
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRapnX9tKHG_ZRJrrwOmq-4anAKZMz9hWGOYEflJ7okVpjHMjxN)
i see adam took that opportunity to rub cocks with the great man
props to him for openly hitting on the ronster
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hey im natural too, life time natural, can believe me, i own a supplement shop, this should settle this.
and im myostatin dficient to a certain degree.
"just a meathead"
adam, you better post up the studies incited by your "teacher".
lets ssee.
the irreversible dangers blablabla.
millions of ppl have went on, stayed on for long came off and funtion perfetly normal.
the rate of heart and kidney failure and diabetes cases is much much higher in the normal mob populace who dont even lift let alone do steroids.
i think my time and wasting inteligence on your trolling is not worth it, though.
this is some serious trolling, yeah its funny seeing bikiniskank being the same old sucker for thsese things, but i hope you will understand why im not wasting serious thoughts on your trolling.
carry on
You ok, bro?
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Myostatin deficiency ;D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D :D :D ;D
I'm dying over here
:D I believe "Michael Lockett" has this disease as well, must be an epidemic going around :D
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:D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myostatin-related_muscle_hypertrophy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myostatin-related_muscle_hypertrophy)
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I am a Lifetime Natural.
Cool bro, give us some stat's, how big the guns, legs, chest, shoulders etc and post some pics too.
How much you weight and how tall?
I can do the 18 kilos on the lateral raise too but my form is pretty shit, like not complete shit, but pretty shit.
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Supposedly all tested shows he's done
http://www.thenaturalmusclenetwork.com/ocb/forms/DrugTestingGuidelines.pdf (http://www.thenaturalmusclenetwork.com/ocb/forms/DrugTestingGuidelines.pdf)
I love it when the hero proves the haters wrong.
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One thing I`ll say is this.........Miller looks fucking awesome.
Great size and fucking insane conditioning......better than I see on most IFBB pros.(conditioning that is)
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Isnt natty just using fast esters?
Yes!!! :D
Someone around here gets it!! 8)
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lifetime natty
under 1 grm of natural testosterone a week.
adex, hcg and 5 iu gh don't count.
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I congratulate the gentleman in the pics but he is no stranger to steroids. Loads of them.
He looks incredible even for someone on steroids.
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natural my ass! what the fuck does he get from trying to pull shit like this off??? the guys who compete at the universe/world chamoionships are ''clean'' as well....yes they MIGHT be clean the day of the show (i guess they are cause their condition is through the roof!)...i know guys who have won the light heavys at this show that claim natural still...''i've trained for 23 years yada yada''...this guy who got OWNED by his doc looks awesome though! freaky, awesome condition...better than any pros these days...ripped glutes...and as stated 100 times already...wtf those hams!
most ''natural'' guys that i've met working for the biggest bb mag over here use hgh, insulin, tren a, test suspension or prop, prohormonas...research chemicals that mimic speed as preworkout drug...basically anything they can get away with! if they test clean they are ''clean'' in their clown minds... i really would like to know this guys stack cause he is one of the most impressive i've seen for quite a while!
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he may be a hideous liar, but he comes in totaly shredded, anyone who can diet to that extreme regularly deserves a bit of love, filthy flit c.unt or not
;D LOL! I fully agree. Here's to you, natural guy, whatever your name is.
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No...I can't. I have no idea where they are.
I suggest you search on T-Nation and go through his Youtube vids. I remember reading a great interview with this guy and I'm pretty sure it was from T-Nation, although I can't be sure.
You go do some serious digging though! :D
so you are lying about the interview... jeezus christ, shut up already.
I read an interview where he said he isn't myostatin deficient and doesnt know why people think that.... I cant remember where I read it hough and I have no idea where to find it. but yeah I'm pretty sure I remember reading that somewhere ::)
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As natural as a poor fat guy with a hot wife...
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http://www.mandatory.com/2013/02/05/10-real-human-superpowers/7 (http://www.mandatory.com/2013/02/05/10-real-human-superpowers/7)
(http://o.aolcdn.com/dims-global/dims3/GLOB/resize/550x600/http://www.blogcdn.com/www.mandatory.com/media/2013/02/unlimited-muscle-growth-real-super-powers-550x600.jpg)
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http://www.mandatory.com/2013/02/05/10-real-human-superpowers/7 (http://www.mandatory.com/2013/02/05/10-real-human-superpowers/7)
(http://o.aolcdn.com/dims-global/dims3/GLOB/resize/550x600/http://www.blogcdn.com/www.mandatory.com/media/2013/02/unlimited-muscle-growth-real-super-powers-550x600.jpg)
Kid is a monster. :o
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http://www.mandatory.com/2013/02/05/10-real-human-superpowers/7 (http://www.mandatory.com/2013/02/05/10-real-human-superpowers/7)
(http://o.aolcdn.com/dims-global/dims3/GLOB/resize/550x600/http://www.blogcdn.com/www.mandatory.com/media/2013/02/unlimited-muscle-growth-real-super-powers-550x600.jpg)
His shirt logo pinned to a shop door could bring quite a bit of money in around these parts
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Hahaha.....a little harsh don't ya think??? :-\
Taking away a mans livelihood simply because he questions if someone is on steroids or not??
Ok maybe I overreacted A LOT. He still sucks for that though.
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Making Gaspari look like a little bitch.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/t1/75163_161093287262974_3490969_n.jpg)
Even his wife has better genetics than Gaspari ;D
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I don't understand why people are proud of being "lifetime natural"
it just means they can't find a source or they're afraid of needles
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I don't understand why people are proud of being "lifetime natural"
it just means they can't find a source or they're afraid of needles
yes that's it
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3b/Paris_Tuileries_Garden_Facepalm_statue.jpg)
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The guy is full of fucking shit.
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I don't understand why people are proud of being "lifetime natural"
it just means they can't find a source or they're afraid of needles
I think most naturals just like seeing how much they can do on their own without any assistance.
I think other naturals just prefer not having any chemicals in their bodies.
Other naturals consider drugs as cheating and lying.
Some naturals can't afford drugs.
Some naturals don't like needles or don't know how to get their hands on drugs as you've said.
Other naturals think there is more heart and passion associated with building and maintaining your body over a lifetime without drugs.
Some naturals see the addiction to bb drugs that some have and choose not to indulge.
Other naturals just don't care about drugs at all.
Other naturals don't use for religious or personal reasons such as family and friends not approving of use.
Me, I've never used and won't use unless it was medically necessary. Have I considered using in the past? Yep. Do I think I could take myself to the next level with drugs? Absolutely. Would I be worldclass or competitive? LOL nah, just a level or two beyond what I am now. Is that worth it to me? No.
These are just some reasons, not all.
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I think most naturals just like seeing how much they can do on their own without any assistance.
I think other naturals just prefer not having any chemicals in their bodies.
Other naturals consider drugs as cheating and lying.
Some naturals can't afford drugs.
Some naturals don't like needles or don't know how to get their hands on drugs as you've said.
Other naturals think there is more heart and passion associated with building and maintaining your body over a lifetime without drugs.
Some naturals see the addiction to bb drugs that some have and choose not to indulge.
Other naturals just don't care about drugs at all.
Other naturals don't use for religious or personal reasons such as family and friends not approving of use.
Me, I've never used and won't use unless it was medically necessary. Have I considered using in the past? Yep. Do I think I could take myself to the next level with drugs? Absolutely. Would I be worldclass or competitive? LOL nah, just a level or two beyond what I am now. Is that worth it to me? No.
These are just some reasons, not all.
Great post and the truth.
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I think most naturals just like seeing how much they can do on their own without any assistance.
I think other naturals just prefer not having any chemicals in their bodies.
Other naturals consider drugs as cheating and lying.
Some naturals can't afford drugs.
Some naturals don't like needles or don't know how to get their hands on drugs as you've said.
Other naturals think there is more heart and passion associated with building and maintaining your body over a lifetime without drugs.
Some naturals see the addiction to bb drugs that some have and choose not to indulge.
Other naturals just don't care about drugs at all.
Other naturals don't use for religious or personal reasons such as family and friends not approving of use.
Me, I've never used and won't use unless it was medically necessary. Have I considered using in the past? Yep. Do I think I could take myself to the next level with drugs? Absolutely. Would I be worldclass or competitive? LOL nah, just a level or two beyond what I am now. Is that worth it to me? No.
These are just some reasons, not all.
MOS, Whats you current stats (height,weight and BF%?)
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I think most naturals just like seeing how much they can do on their own without any assistance.
I think other naturals just prefer not having any chemicals in their bodies.
Other naturals consider drugs as cheating and lying.
Some naturals can't afford drugs.
Some naturals don't like needles or don't know how to get their hands on drugs as you've said.
Other naturals think there is more heart and passion associated with building and maintaining your body over a lifetime without drugs.
Some naturals see the addiction to bb drugs that some have and choose not to indulge.
Other naturals just don't care about drugs at all.
Other naturals don't use for religious or personal reasons such as family and friends not approving of use.
Me, I've never used and won't use unless it was medically necessary. Have I considered using in the past? Yep. Do I think I could take myself to the next level with drugs? Absolutely. Would I be worldclass or competitive? LOL nah, just a level or two beyond what I am now. Is that worth it to me? No.
These are just some reasons, not all.
you are top 5 percent genetics wise imo
you would be top of the pile if you juiced up
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I think most naturals just like seeing how much they can do on their own without any assistance.
I think other naturals just prefer not having any chemicals in their bodies.
Other naturals consider drugs as cheating and lying.
Some naturals can't afford drugs.
Some naturals don't like needles or don't know how to get their hands on drugs as you've said.
Other naturals think there is more heart and passion associated with building and maintaining your body over a lifetime without drugs.
Some naturals see the addiction to bb drugs that some have and choose not to indulge.
Other naturals just don't care about drugs at all.
Other naturals don't use for religious or personal reasons such as family and friends not approving of use.
Me, I've never used and won't use unless it was medically necessary. Have I considered using in the past? Yep. Do I think I could take myself to the next level with drugs? Absolutely. Would I be worldclass or competitive? LOL nah, just a level or two beyond what I am now. Is that worth it to me? No.
These are just some reasons, not all.
Pro-tip. Jesus doesn't actually mind you popping anadrol like candy, but he would have a problem with you lying about it.
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I don't know if this guy is natural or not but I do know know that the doc was a dick. I just went to a new doc yesterday, and she acted nothing like that. But have had one act very similar.
He asked what are you taking, before he ever knew why I was there. The lady yesterday kindly asked if I took supplements. I told her yes and what I took and that was it.
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Good for the doc in calling this guy out. He's probably seen more in his day to day practice than most other docs - hence his confidence in speaking his mind. Natural bodybuilding is an oxymoron and at the higher levels it is fraudulent, filled with second rank bodybuilders collecting trophies against hapless and idealistic fools.
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If he said "at this point" one more time.....
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he could be a top IFBB pro if he ever chose to use gear.
yes this is always the case, they want you to think that if they did use gear they would be the G.O.A.T.
I'm amazed at all the "greats" we've missed out on because they prefer mediocrity.
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Pro-tip. Jesus doesn't actually mind you popping anadrol like candy, but he would have a problem with you lying about it.
(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSHa2eoyg_qR2svTRiv2V8rroxbr3uy6zJtvAViNBdt64IwcSsw1Q)
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The comparison to lance Armstrong was hilarious, ie calling this guy a filthy liar
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Douglas is a natural warrior
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Doug likes the cock
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I think most naturals just like seeing how much they can do on their own without any assistance.
I think other naturals just prefer not having any chemicals in their bodies.
Other naturals consider drugs as cheating and lying.
Some naturals can't afford drugs.
Some naturals don't like needles or don't know how to get their hands on drugs as you've said.
Other naturals think there is more heart and passion associated with building and maintaining your body over a lifetime without drugs.
Some naturals see the addiction to bb drugs that some have and choose not to indulge.
Other naturals just don't care about drugs at all.
Other naturals don't use for religious or personal reasons such as family and friends not approving of use.
Me, I've never used and won't use unless it was medically necessary. Have I considered using in the past? Yep. Do I think I could take myself to the next level with drugs? Absolutely. Would I be worldclass or competitive? LOL nah, just a level or two beyond what I am now. Is that worth it to me? No.
These are just some reasons, not all.
Great post..
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TA needs to school this so-called "doctor"
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Vince confirmed with Doug last week at a round of golf that he is natural
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Doug still natural
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Doug still natural
Natty all the way
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Full of drugs like every other bodybuilder.
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As natural as a dick on a chick.
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As natural as a dick on a chick.
That can be considered natural in todays society.