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My feelings are if either party has children from a prior relationship a Prenup may be in order. Otherwise, no Prenup :)
What are your thoughts on Prenups?
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It's not about children................ .it's about money
how to keep yours if you get divorced
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It's not about children................ .it's about money
how to keep yours if you get divorced
What I mean by bringing up children is that their specific parent may want to make sure the children are provided for in the parent's eventual death (that the new spouse doesn't snag their possible inheritance).
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I agree with Prenup's for those with a lot of money and assets. Unfortunately there are far too many people looking for a sugar-daddy or sugar-mama. But I do believe there should be certain clauses regarding infidelity and/or abuse.
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I agree with Prenup's for those with a lot of money and assets. Unfortunately there are far too many people looking for a sugar-daddy or sugar-mama. But I do believe there should be certain clauses regarding infidelity and/or abuse.
Agreed 100%
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I agree with Prenup's for those with a lot of money and assets. Unfortunately there are far too many people looking for a sugar-daddy or sugar-mama. But I do believe there should be certain clauses regarding infidelity and/or abuse.
exactly............ everybody knows when someones got money, they don't go after them because they look good........ money = security
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Prenups are for those not just with money & assets, but also protect the less wealthy spouse as well.
It's simply a contingency plan for the division of assets in the event the marriage fails.
If you have money, a pre-nup can protect your bottom line ...aka Donald Trump's divorces 1 & 2
If you have no money, a pre-nup can protect your bottom line, ...aka Jean Strahan divorce from her husband NY Giant's player Michael Strahan. http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=161847.0 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=161847.0)
It's just a contract that specifys the allocation and division of assets in the event of a dissolution of the marriage, and sometime the conditions under which certain provisions in that contract come into effect.
Then too there are post-nups that do the same thing.
Donald & Ivana had a pre-nup. Then after a few years of marriage and their financial situation changing, they would regularly go in and update a post-nup agreement. By the time they did divorce, donald's financial condition had changed so drastically, Ivana didn't hold him to the post-nup.
Then he married Marla, at such a low point for him, ...by the time he divorced her, his casinos were paying off for him, and he made out like a bandit because of a pre-nup that was never updated with a post-nup.
In the case of michael Strahan, the NY Giants player, his pre-nup agreement had certain provisions that would penalize him for doing certain things within their marriage. He broke those conditions, and got took to the cleaners when the judge uphelp his pre-nup agreement. His ex Jean emerged from the courthouse with a HUGE smile saying "I'm going to Disneyland" :D
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My feelings are if either party has children from a prior relationship a Prenup may be in order. Otherwise, no Prenup :)
What are your thoughts on Prenups?
Pre-nups are smart for anyone with assets, regardless of kids.
If kids are the issue, I wonder why someone would even consider marriage.
Just because you marry someone doesn't mean you marry their kids.
Whoever their father/mother is, is responsible for them.
DIV
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Pre-nups are smart for anyone with assets, regardless of kids.
If kids are the issue, I wonder why someone would even consider marriage.
Just because you marry someone doesn't mean you marry their kids.
Whoever their father/mother is, is responsible for them.
DIV
I think STella is meaning that in the case of a divorce the kids don't lose because their parent's ex got 1/2 of everything and their parent was the one with the $$.
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I think STella is meaning that in the case of a divorce the kids don't lose because their parent's ex got 1/2 of everything and their parent was the one with the $$.
Yes. Thanks I wasn't being clear :)
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I think pre-nups although they sound tacky at first, are wise for people getting married if larger assets are involved, or if one party brings substantially more assets in the union.
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Prenup 100%
I wouldn't consider considering marriage without one.
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Yes. Thanks I wasn't being clear :)
Sometimes you have to 'splain things slowly to the menfolk ::)
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I read an article that said you should also have one if it's the second marriage for either partner, or if there is a significant disparity in assets between the two partners.
If I ever get married again there will DEFINITELY be one... I had a job and was making money, the ex-wife didn't, and wasn't, so I was lucky not to get taken to the cleaners (though in the final hearing the judge told her even if she was asking for support he wouldn't give it to her because we hadn't been together long enough before she left). But, it was a pretty clear warning to me and I don't want to repeat the experience of being at risk of getting hosed just because the other party didn't want to be married anymore.
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I think pre-nups although they sound tacky at first, are wise for people getting married if larger assets are involved, or if one party brings substantially more assets in the union.
Exactly, ...they protect everyone, ...not just the party with more assets (which btw can do a complete 180)
I know many people, ...women especially who didn't want to do a pre-nup... and they were marrying spouses with substantially more assets. Well their financial situations changed, ...and the lack of a pre-nup saw them paying through the nose. Just look at Jessica Simpson. When she married Lahey, he was the big breadwinner in the family, ...but that all sure changed pretty quickly. :-X
I heard Paul McCartney was canoodling with Christie Brinkley recently. If they get together and decided to marry... dju think he might say "I don't think there is anything romantic about a pre-nup" ...or do you think he might decide to do one this time around? :P
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Exactly, ...they protect everyone, ...not just the party with more assets (which btw can do a complete 180)
I know many people, ...women especially who didn't want to do a pre-nup... and they were marrying spouses with substantially more assets. Well their financial situations changed, ...and the lack of a pre-nup saw them paying through the nose. Just look at Jessica Simpson. When she married Lahey, he was the big breadwinner in the family, ...but that all sure changed pretty quickly. :-X
I heard Paul McCartney was canoodling with Christie Brinkley recently. If they get together and decided to marry... dju think he might say "I don't think there is anything romantic about a pre-nup" ...or do you think he might decide to do one this time around? :P
The best comparison i heard was to insurance. You don't get a prenuo because you're PLANNING to get a divorce any more than you get insurance because you're PLANNING on having an accident. (I guess it wouldn't be an accident then). **** happens - it's wise to be prepared for it.
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Gotta have pre-nup...but even then, it's virtually impossible to stipulate to all 'situations' which might arise during a marriage.
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Gotta have pre-nup...but even then, it's virtually impossible to stipulate to all 'situations' which might arise during a marriage.
Many 'situations' are forseeable based upon how they act prior to marriage.
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But then why bother being with someone if it's just going to be about the benjamins?
so true!!!
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I've seen some pre-nups that say X amount if the marriage lasts 3 yrs, ...then X amount if the marriage lasts 3 - 6 yrs, X amount if 6- 8yrs, X amount if 8-10 yrs. Then after 10 yrs of marriage 50% of all marital assets. That's the CA version. :P
I've heard of some pre-nups that say the wife is required to spend at least 3 days out of each month with her husband, and actually specifies the number of conjugal visitations per month. That would be the Jackie & Ari O version :P
When there are kids involved, it is incumbent on the parent entering into the new marriage to protect the inheritance of their kids ahead of time in a prenup, or with a trust. I've seen some horror stories. It also works the other way around too, in that some people with kids can marry someone without kids, and next thing you know... all their assets are going to supporting kids from someone elses previous marriage.
That was a concern of mine when my sister married. Her husband was divorced with 2 tween aged daughters, ...and she bought the house and moved hubby and the girls in. I can understand them wanting to have the girls living in a better neighbourhood, and going to a better school, as well as bonding with their new step mom, ...but I was still concerned, ...especially since she was also bringing a bunch of other assets into that marriage. I think a married couple need time to themselves as a married couple BEFORE an instant family. I had my suspicions about him from the start. She went to him to buy a piece of property and in the process disclosed all her financials... then the next thing you know... they're dating, ...and then getting married. :-\ So far, it's looking real good, but after 2 new borns, and raising 2 others, my sister decided she couldn't handle everything and be a Supermom who had it all, husband, career, family etc., so she decided to leave her job (same employer for the past 28 yrs) and remain a stay at home Mom. :-\ That scares the bejeebers out of me 'cause he's a real estate broker and I know there's gonna be a mighty real estate crash coming soon. Oh well... she's big girl and she's made her decisions. The chips will fall wherever they fall. If worse comes to worse... Crystal and Candice will always have a home here... her... I'd have to think about. :P
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I think it all depends on the individuals involved. Some folks should have pre-nups to avoid blood and tears later on.
I do see how it could be an incentive for most people. But then why bother being with someone if it's just going to be about the benjamins?
Because sadly... for some people it is not about 'matrimony', it is about 'match the money'.
Marriage has always been about money from the start. Money, power, inheritance, and political alignment etc.,
It is only recently that "marrying for love" a custom previously only enjoyed by the poor, has become popularized throughout all echelons of society. For the upper crust, it has always been about money & politics.
Speaking of upcoming nuptials... guess which self-righteous, family values, born again Christian conservative politician's daughter has a little bundle baking in the oven? She'll be marrying soon. I hope his base can't add, because those numbers won't add up, ...but I'm sure they'll overlook it because even though she's a sinful fornicator, ...her father has been 'called by God', ...either that or they might just proclaim it to be a virgin birth. :P
I wonder if she'll have a pre-nup? There's no question about who will cater her wedding though...
I hear Halliburton got the no bid contract on that one. {giggle} :P
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Because sadly... for some people it is not about 'matrimony', it is about 'match the money'.
Marriage has always been about money from the start. Money, power, inheritance, and political alignment etc.,
It is only recently that "marrying for love" a custom previously only enjoyed by the poor, has become popularized throughout all echelons of society. For the upper crust, it has always been about money & politics.
Yeah, you have a point about people wanting power and wealth no matter what. I still think there is always room for love and that if two people work hard towards goals then they can achieve that wealth together.
Maybe just wishful thinking on my part.
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Yeah, you have a point about people wanting power and wealth no matter what. I still think there is always room for love and that if two people work hard towards goals then they can achieve that wealth together.
Maybe just wishful thinking on my part.
Well Oneida, if I'm going to marry you...I want you to sign a Pre-nup. ;D
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Yeah, you have a point about people wanting power and wealth no matter what. I still think there is always room for love and that if two people work hard towards goals then they can achieve that wealth together.
Maybe just wishful thinking on my part.
I agree with you, it's not just wishful thinking. 'cause the botton line is you still have to face the person everyday.
Love without money is hard, ...but it's doable. Money without love is a frikkin nightmare.
That's why I always say "Any woman person who marries for money deserves every red cent s/he gets"
They've earned it! {LOL}
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Well Oneida, if I'm going to marry you...I want you to sign a Pre-nup. ;D
Why? You don't want me taking Rocky away from you?
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I agree with you, it's not just wishful thinking. 'cause the botton line is you still have to face the person everyday.
Love without money is hard, ...but it's doable. Money without love is a frikkin nightmare.
That's why I always say "Any woman person who marries for money deserves every red cent s/he gets"
They've earned it! {LOL}
I agree with you there! it's definitely doable! As an old song said: "Love is a two way street".
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Why? You don't want me taking Rocky away from you?
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I would never! He's too valuable. Oh wait! You are right, we'd need a pre-nup.
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Poor people need pre-nups even more.
A broke person will never get over losing half their crap, LOL! Most of the guys I know making around 50K need two or three years to financially recover from a divorce.
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I think it all depends on the individuals involved.
Absolutely agreed. I've more or less sold my soul for what I have now and the retirement I'll have so I'll be damned if someone who wasn't around for all the sacrafices (I did two deployments - shutting down my personal household for a total of YEARS at a time, not to mention the number of times I've almost been killed, both by the "enemy' and people supposedly on 'my' side) gets a red cent of what I gave the best years of my life for.
My retirement is MINE. I was the one who fought, I was the one who almost died more times than I care to remember - ladies, if any one of you wants on damn red cent of it, you best stick with me "for better or for worse"
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Because sadly... for some people it is not about 'matrimony', it is about 'match the money'.
Marriage has always been about money from the start. Money, power, inheritance, and political alignment etc.,
It is only recently that "marrying for love" a custom previously only enjoyed by the poor, has become popularized throughout all echelons of society. For the upper crust, it has always been about money & politics.
Speaking of upcoming nuptials... guess which self-righteous, family values, born again Christian conservative politician's daughter has a little bundle baking in the oven? She'll be marrying soon. I hope his base can't add, because those numbers won't add up, ...but I'm sure they'll overlook it because even though she's a sinful fornicator, ...her father has been 'called by God', ...either that or they might just proclaim it to be a virgin birth. :P
I wonder if she'll have a pre-nup? There's no question about who will cater her wedding though...
I hear Halliburton got the no bid contract on that one. {giggle} :P
This post is stale as my supper was, but WHo you talking about here... We are NOt talking a girl/ girl wedding R-we ???
& I sold all my HAL/KBR (a little late) too if that make'z you feel any better.
(The bastards have a mountian of money but cant buy back a share even during the most brutal selloffs)
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This post is stale as my supper was, but WHo you talking about here... We are NOt talking a girl/ girl wedding R-we ???
This is a conventional girl/boy wedding. Only VICE presidential families can quietly get away with the girl/girl stuff
& I sold all my HAL/KBR (a little late) too if that make'z you feel any better.
(The bastards have a mountian of money but cant buy back a share even during the most brutal selloffs)
Why would that make me feel happy?
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This is a conventional girl/boy wedding. Only VICE presidential families can quietly get away with the girl/girl stuff
Why would that make me feel happy?
Ok GW's daughter? Not the Cheney thing?? Can you imagine the security at that wedding?
HAL? Just messing w/ ya... SOme liberals get all bent when you tell them you own HAL or GD etc..
Its fun to watch their neck veins pulse... Angry Liberals are like a oxymoron incarnate...
Next, its time for a history lesson and explain to them how Jimmy Carter is the jerk responsible for the present state of the Oil Region (Mid East) ;)
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If you go into a marriage with any thought of it ending, you shouldn't get married period. And people wonder why the divorce rate is so high. No one takes it serious.
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If you go into a marriage with any thought of it ending, you shouldn't get married period. And people wonder why the divorce rate is so high. No one takes it serious.
Unfortunately while it takes two people to get and stay married, it only takes one person to decide they want out. Then guess what? No matter how seriously the other partner might take marriage, the marriage is gone. One would be wise to protect oneself.
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Unfortunately while it takes two people to get and stay married, it only takes one person to decide they want out. Then guess what? No matter how seriously the other partner might take marriage, the marriage is gone. One would be wise to protect oneself.
I just couldn't see it....I think it states distrust from the get go....I never even gave it thought in my marriage
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I just couldn't see it....I think it states distrust from the get go....I never even gave it thought in my marriage
Neither did I. Apparently she did. That's why next time, IF there is a next time, I'm protecting myself, my retirement, and my properties.
Granted, that's a pretty big "if"!!!!
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What are your thoughts on Prenups?
this sums it up quite nicely....
Let me not to the marriage of true minds
Admit impediments. Love is not love
Which alters when it alteration finds,
Or bends with the remover to remove:
O no! it is an ever-fixed mark
That looks on tempests and is never shaken;
It is the star to every wandering bark,
Whose worth's unknown, although his height be taken.
Love's not Time's fool, though rosy lips and cheeks
Within his bending sickle's compass come:
Love alters not with his brief hours and weeks,
But bears it out even to the edge of doom.
If this be error and upon me proved,
I never writ, nor no man ever loved.
-- William Shakespeare
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this sums it up quite nicely....
Let me not to the marriage of true minds
Admit impediments. Love is not love
Which alters when it alteration finds,
Or bends with the remover to remove:
O no! it is an ever-fixed mark
That looks on tempests and is never shaken;
It is the star to every wandering bark,
Whose worth's unknown, although his height be taken.
Love's not Time's fool, though rosy lips and cheeks
Within his bending sickle's compass come:
Love alters not with his brief hours and weeks,
But bears it out even to the edge of doom.
If this be error and upon me proved,
I never writ, nor no man ever loved.
-- William Shakespeare
......and when are you going to settle down and getting married, baby Toxie?
DIV
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pre-nups are awesome if, women make out like bandits in divorces.
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pre-nups are awesome if, women make out like bandits in divorces.
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No man has to worry about me attempting to "make out like a bandit"...If I were to ever sign a prenup it would be to ensure I retain *my* assets.
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No man has to worry about me attempting to "make out like a bandit"...If I were to ever sign a prenup it would be to ensure I retain *my* assets.
I hear ya there.
On a sad note, ...it appears Shaq is devastated. His wife has hid her assets from him.
That's one of the quickest ways to invalidate a pre-nup, ...by not fully disclosing all assets prior to entering into it, although usually it is the spouse with lesser assets who tries to invalidate based on non-disclosure. :-\
I hope things work out amicably between them. They both seemed like pretty cool people to me.
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Here in CA, one doesn't have to disclose everything. If you inherit money or land from your family, then that's untouchable by the other spouse, regardless of whether you disclosed its existence in the pre-nup.
So long as the source can be traced - and in matters of inheritance, there's generally a substantial paper trail - you're fine.
I have to have a pre-nup, period.
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Love is love.
Money is money.
It's 2 different things that shouldn't be mixed together.
If I'm going to inherit a 3 million dollar house why should some girl be entitled to half of it? ::)
No way! >:(
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Love is love.
Money is money.
It's 2 different things that shouldn't be mixed together.
If I'm going to inherit a 3 million dollar house why should some girl be entitled to half of it? ::)
No way! >:(
You are going to inherit a three million dollar house? :o
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You are going to inherit a three million dollar house? :o
;D
I'll fight you for it...i mean for him :o
Lisa
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I'll fight you for it...i mean for him :o
Lisa
;D
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I would never sign a prenup. It means to me that the person I would be marrying doesn't know me at all. I wouldn't take any man for his money, not my thing. Well unless he was unfaithful, that would be the only time I would want revenge! ;)
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I would never sign a prenup. It means to me that the person I would be marrying doesn't know me at all. I wouldn't take any man for his money, not my thing. Well unless he was unfaithful, that would be the only time I would want revenge! ;)
That little "unless" thing is subject to change I bet.
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I'll fight you for it...i mean for him :o
Lisa
Get a little bit of money and you're suddenly Brad Pitt. ::)
I would never sign a prenup. It means to me that the person I would be marrying doesn't know me at all. I wouldn't take any man for his money, not my thing. Well unless he was unfaithful, that would be the only time I would want revenge! ;)
It is impossible to know what someone's thinking on the inside. I've seen people act one way in public, but are completely different deep down. Many times you only know about someone what they're willing to show you. People can conceal sides of themselves if they choose to. Every woman says "ohh I don't want the money" but when it comes down to it, it has been scientifically proven people act based on emotion and then justify it with logic. So when you have millions staring at you you're probably going to take it and then try to justify it "ohh he was an asshole I deserve the money".
That is why I feel if you get with some rich dude, be willing to sign a prenup to show him that your intentions are pure and genuine. Show him that you love him and not his money. "I would never sign a penup."
Lol I'm listening to Howard Stern about some beautiful chick who wrote on craigslist looking for a rich guy and a wealthy CEO responded to her saying that beauty in women is a depreciating asset and wealth in men is an appreciating asset and that a guy is better off leasing a woman instead of buying her. Hehehe. 8)
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Ok, Im a guy, and I'd have no issues signing a prenup w/ a girl that was loaded prior to marriage.
Its only fair, Im not out to take someone for their money...
But children throw a whole kink in the deal. Supporting them is spendy and someone gots to do it.
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Get a little bit of money and you're suddenly Brad Pitt. ::)
That is why I feel if you get with some rich dude, be willing to sign a prenup to show him that your intentions are pure and genuine. Show him that you love him and not his money. "I would never sign a penup." Well if he's as smart as he is rich then he wouldn't marry you. Aww poor Michelle. :'(
Well poor Michelle has been married now for over 18 years so I think I am good! Again, I wouldn't sign a prenup just my two cents! :-*
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Well poor Michelle has been married now for over 18 years so I think I am good! Again, I wouldn't sign a prenup just my two cents! :-*
I heard Jessica Simpson felt the same way. Then she married Nick without a pre-nup.
Long story short... her career skyrocketted... she became the big bread winner, and the divorce cost her plenty.
Just because YOU would never take a man for his money, ...doesn't mean a man wouldn't take you for yours.
To each his/her own though. If you feel that's the right thing for you to do... or not do. That's your decision,
...and I have no basis to cast judgement against you, or pre-judge your motives or your reasoning.
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after having watched my father go through 3 divorces with in 10 yrs, with children or not i would have to say get a "prenup", regardless of how long/short the marriage is you can lose a shit-ton of money, for instance my dad's last marriage of 2 years cost him a little more than half a million, due to being accustomed to living lavashly, they judge ordered my dad to pay....I thought it was total bull shit, so irregardless prenup is a must!