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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: HowieW on October 25, 2007, 02:20:27 PM
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I have nothing personal against Victor and think he has incredible physique, etc.
I believe he was convicted and spent time in a NY prison for a felony drug charge 2-3 years ago?
Wouldn't this violta the IFBB pro divisions own rules and guideline for being eligible to compete as
an IFBB pro? Just curious, thanks, Howard
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hi dexter
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I have nothing personal against Victor and think he has incredible physique, etc.
I believe he was convicted and spent time in a NY prison for a felony drug charge 2-3 years ago?
Wouldn't this violta the IFBB pro divisions own rules and guideline for being eligible to compete as
an IFBB pro? Just curious, thanks, Howard
It's called a double standard, Howie....
Priest competes for another fed, and he's suspended. Victor commits crimes left and right, and is rewarded...... :-\
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I have nothing personal against Victor and think he has incredible physique, etc.
I believe he was convicted and spent time in a NY prison for a felony drug charge 2-3 years ago?
Wouldn't this violta the IFBB pro divisions own rules and guideline for being eligible to compete as
an IFBB pro? Just curious, thanks, Howard
Hi Dexter.
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It's called a double standard, Howie....
Priest competes for another fed, and he's suspended. Victor commits crimes left and right, and is rewarded...... :-\
Maybe it is just me , but does ANYBODY in bodybuilding follow and adhere to the actual rules?
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Maybe it is just me , but does ANYBODY in bodybuilding follow and adhere to the actual rules?
Only when it suits them.
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It's called a double standard, Howie....
Priest competes for another fed, and he's suspended. Victor commits crimes left and right, and is rewarded...... :-\
Hi Dexter.
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Plus he's got mad oil in his calves...calfs...LOL
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Busted 2 times for being a drug dealer, Not once. Being investigated in Florida currently for the Bust in Orlando.
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Busted 2 times for being a drug dealer, Not once. Being investigated in Florida currently for the Bust in Orlando.
Really? is this true.
By the way, I am just ol' Howard, and I am a fan of Dexter but hardly him
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Just because he is a good IFBB pro more attention should not be paid to his mistakes. When Titus went to prison (first time in like 96) no one seemed to care.
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Just because he is a good IFBB pro more attention should not be paid to his mistakes. When Titus went to prison (first time in like 96) no one seemed to care.
This is NOT a personal judgement . It states clearly in the IFBB rulebook that what he and others like Titus are found guilty and convicted of doing will not be able to be an IFBB pro.
People complain about the judes not alwyas following the judging rules and standards, but none of the pros follow the rules for banned substances??? Am I wrong ? ???
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If he paid for his crimes,who gives a shit?
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The IFBB bends the rules on a whim....whichever bbs make for a good contest or whichever bbs are the "big studs" of the moment will be allowed to compete regardless of the "rules".
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The IFBB bends the rules on a whim....whichever bbs make for a good contest or whichever bbs are the "big studs" of the moment will be allowed to compete regardless of the "rules".
Let me make this clear. I think Victor is a good pro and I enjoy seeing him on stage.
However, how can we ever have any consistant JUDGING standard when all the other aspects related to the sport
( felons being allowed back, useing listed banned drugs, etc) are ignored or rules bent.
...and some wonder why the sport lacks a credible, consistant standard ? geeeeeeeeeeeeeeessssssss shhh
I accepted it was a crazy wonderful circus years ago and stopped taking serious who won what big pro show years ago. I enjoy the events and the physiques and could care less who wins.
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Let me make this clear. I think Victor is a good pro and I enjoy seeing him on stage.
However, how can we ever have any consistant JUDGING standard when all the other aspects related to the sport
( felons being allowed back, useing listed banned drugs, etc) are ignored or rules bent.
...and some wonder why the sport lacks a credible, consistant standard ? geeeeeeeeeeeeeeessssssss shhh
I accepted it was a crazy wonderful circus years ago and stopped taking serious who won what big pro show years ago. I enjoy the events and the physiques and could care less who wins.
You can't enforce standards in a semi-fixed contest.
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You can't enforce standards in a semi-fixed contest.
The real fix is a complete of any rule enforcement of what the bodybuilders use to compete in the show.
NONE follow the rules to get ready for the show, the judging is a LOT MORE reliable than the drug use free for all of banned substances.
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I have nothing personal against Victor and think he has incredible physique, etc.
I believe he was convicted and spent time in a NY prison for a felony drug charge 2-3 years ago?
Wouldn't this violta the IFBB pro divisions own rules and guideline for being eligible to compete as
an IFBB pro? Just curious, thanks, Howard
ha ha ha ha...WTF? DOES THE IFBB HAVE WINGS ON ITS BACK, A HALO ON ITS HEAD AND HARPS IN ITS HAND? HOW COULD A BULLSHIT AND CORRUPT ORGANIZATION SAY ANYTHING TO ANYONE ABOUT CRIMINAL ACTIVITY WHEN THEY ARE ENGAGED IN WORST THAN THE ONE THEY SPOTLIGHT?
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I have nothing personal against Victor and think he has incredible physique, etc.
I believe he was convicted and spent time in a NY prison for a felony drug charge 2-3 years ago?
Wouldn't this violta the IFBB pro divisions own rules and guideline for being eligible to compete as
an IFBB pro? Just curious, thanks, Howard
every pro bodybuilder is a criminal.
hope this helps
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If pro sports started banning criminals from competing the Dallas Cowboys would be left with one guy, the waterboy. And even that's questionable.
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If he paid for his crimes,who gives a shit?
No others he ratted on paid for his crimes.
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Crimes?? He got set up and busted for juice, big deal. Crime my ass.
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Crimes?? He got set up and busted for juice, big deal. Crime my ass.
Growth Hormone 1 time and Recreational Drugs the other.
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I have nothing personal against Victor and think he has incredible physique, etc.
I believe he was convicted and spent time in a NY prison for a felony drug charge 2-3 years ago?
Wouldn't this violta the IFBB pro divisions own rules and guideline for being eligible to compete as
an IFBB pro? Just curious, thanks, Howard
And how about that "Victor's" gym business? 8)
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Crimes?? He got set up and busted for juice, big deal. Crime my ass.
Look, let me make this clear. I am a libertarian and if I made the laws , many drugs would be legal and that includes roids , HGH and related stuff. my MAIN issue is that the actual law says they are illegal and Victor was convicted and went to jail. I have nothing against Victor and respect him as a pro bodybuilder.
I am just curious as to why the IFBB has actual written rules and then enforces them in such a haphazzard fashion.
Why NOT just avoid having any drug testing rules or rules of conduct and just let the guys get on stage and judge them as is. Why pretend when everyone knows different, THAT looks foolish .
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You can't enforce standards in a semi-fixed contest.
bump for no BS answer
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all of the ifbb pro's do the same shit one way or the other!!!
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all of the ifbb pro's do the same shit one way or the other!!!
Ok, that is true, but if you get convicted of a crime that is listed as something NOT allowed by the IFBB rules then it is no longer heresay, it is a fact.
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And how about that "Victor's" gym business? 8)
What a nice guy, Ripped off how many New Yorkers? Telling his sales people to keep selling memberships the day before he knew he was closing doors.
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I have nothing personal against Victor and think he has incredible physique, etc.
I believe he was convicted and spent time in a NY prison for a felony drug charge 2-3 years ago?
Wouldn't this violta the IFBB pro divisions own rules and guideline for being eligible to compete as
an IFBB pro? Just curious, thanks, Howard
Yes, it does, and I can guarantee you that during the time he was incarcerated...that he was suspended and not allowed to compete on an IFBB stage..! ;D
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To me his Calf Implants are more reason to ban him. This applies to any competitve bodybuilder. Implants and Oil have GOT to be serious reasons to ban athletes surely ?!!
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To me his Calf Implants are more reason to ban him. This applies to any competitve bodybuilder. Implants and Oil have GOT to be serious reasons to ban athletes surely ?!!
Really, implants.... :-\ You have no idea what implants look like do you...
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Yes, it does, and I can guarantee you that during the time he was incarcerated...that he was suspended and not allowed to compete on an IFBB stage..! ;D
Ahhhh, NO SHIT Bob! Of course he wasn't allowed to compete during the time he was incarcerated! How could he? He was locked up!
The point here is how was his actions "ok" for the IFBB not to even fine him or give him a 1-2 year suspension? He was getting ready for a show almost as soon as he was released.
But funny how Lee Priest can't come back after merely competing in an organization to make a living?!
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Ahhhh, NO SHIT Bob! Of course he wasn't allowed to compete during the time he was incarcerated! How could he? He was locked up!
The point here is how was his actions "ok" for the IFBB not to even fine him or give him a 1-2 year suspension? He was getting ready for a show almost as soon as he was released.
But funny how Lee Priest can't come back after merely competing in an organization to make a living?!
What are they gonna fine him $20 ::) They don't make enough money in BBing to fine everyone who gets in trouble for steroid related issues. If that were the case I doubt anyone would compete.
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He [Victor] seems to be doing ok financially. A "fine" would have been appropriate. They [the IFBB] should have NOT allowed him to renew his pro card for at least 1 or 2 years thus him not being able to compete.
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He [Victor] seems to be doing ok financially. A "fine" would have been appropriate. They [the IFBB] should have NOT allowed him to renew his pro card for at least 1 or 2 years thus him not being able to compete.
Well what if it happened to somone who is not a top Pro. Top pros aren't rich and lower ranked pros except for the rare guy here and there aren't exactly raking in the dough either, they all use and the I.F.B.B. knows so why should they punish them if they get caught by the authorities. If anything they should help them get through legal issues but I doubts that's ever gonna happen for obvious reasons.
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Kevin Levrone got fined over 10 grand one year for something (i think it was 25k). I remember reading in the magazines they took it out of his olympia placement check. I believe it was for him jumping in the show last minute, after saying he wasn't going to do it.
Vic is a piece of shit Chick. Busted 2 times for being a DRUG DEALER. Ketamine, X-tacy, sole money from people in NYC and is on his 3rd investigation as we speak in Orlando, FL. Why you stand up for a piece of trash like him?
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Kevin Levrone got fined over 10 grand one year for something (i think it was 25k). I remember reading in the magazines they took it out of his olympia placement check. I believe it was for him jumping in the show last minute, after saying he wasn't going to do it.
Vic is a piece of shit Chick. Busted 2 times for being a DRUG DEALER. Ketamine, X-tacy, sole money from people in NYC and is on his 3rd investigation as we speak in Orlando, FL. Why you stand up for a piece of trash like him?
I know a dealer that got stuff from Victor Martinez and most of it was fake.
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I dont know much about Victor's past. He seems ok to me and his physique is off the chain. I thought he crushed Cutler.
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I dont know much about Victor's past. He seems ok to me and his physique is off the chain. I thought he crushed Cutler.
Exactly...! Read the beginning of the thread and it should bring you up to speed about "Victor's past".
Don't get me wrong, dude looks sick on stage. But one has to be accountable for his actions and his actions have NOT been that of a 'model citizen'.
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Exactly...! Read the beginning of the thread and it should bring you up to speed about "Victor's past".
Don't get me wrong, dude looks sick on stage. But one has to be accountable for his actions and his actions have NOT been that of a 'model citizen'.
yay bring back model citizen points. what's next, political party registration points? religious points? sexual orientation points? hair points? lol
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Yes, it does, and I can guarantee you that during the time he was incarcerated...that he was suspended and not allowed to compete on an IFBB stage..! ;D
I guess he could have posed in a virtual way from a web cam feed to the Olympia big screen and been judged like that had he not been suspended while in jail LOL.
Thanks for the replys Bob , I know you don't have to answer them but do anyway.
In the end I simply want a great show and am concerned for the welfare and well being of all the pros .
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Exactly...! Read the beginning of the thread and it should bring you up to speed about "Victor's past".
Don't get me wrong, dude looks sick on stage. But one has to be accountable for his actions and his actions have NOT been that of a 'model citizen'.
Exactly my point and I could care less if what he does in his personal life. However, the man did break the law and was sent to prison, that is my point, nothing more
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wake up you clowns. every competitor is commiting crimes every day for steroid use.
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wake up you clowns. every competitor is commiting crimes every day for steroid use.
No Shit, Sherlock! But if you get busted ,as he did, there should be some accountabilty. In the end, it makes the sport look bad. Why? Cuz his bust was PUBLIC! Yeah, everyone breaks the law everyday one way or the other. Hell, do you think Michael Vick is the ONLY one in the world that organizes and bets on dog fights? NO.
But he was the one that happend to get busted and it looks bad for the NFL so they had to do something. Victor happens to be a public figure (although not nearly as popular and mainstream as the NFL).
The IFBB should have done some type of dicipline to at least make it look like they follow their own rules.
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Again he got busted for selling Ketamine and Xtacy as well. He then ratted everyone out and got no time. This was AFTER his bust for Human Growth Hormone. So it was his 2nd offense!
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The IFBB knows what it is doing with regards to punishment. Just because you guys don't hear about it, doesn't mean it's not taking place.
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The IFBB knows what it is doing with regards to punishment. Just because you guys don't hear about it, doesn't mean it's not taking place.
Looks like it. Won Arnold and 2nd at Olympia. Nice punishment
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I'm pretty sure being a drug dealer or a convicted felon is NOT against the actual IFBB rules. If that was the case then there would be no IFBB. Hope this helps.
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why is the midget suspended and criminals allowed to compete?
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Crimes?? He got set up and busted for juice, big deal. Crime my ass.
Newsflash, the drugs are STILL ILLEGAL. Whether you and I think drugs should be or shouldn't be is another topic. Again, as it stands right NOW, they are illegal, and thus, there are consequences involved.
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I have nothing personal against Victor and think he has incredible physique, etc.
I believe he was convicted and spent time in a NY prison for a felony drug charge 2-3 years ago?
Wouldn't this violta the IFBB pro divisions own rules and guideline for being eligible to compete as
an IFBB pro? Just curious, thanks, Howard
You do sound like Dexter, but lets say we follow the IFBB "book of rules" Steroids are not tolerated in IFBB so then only Flex Wheler is allow to compete sice he's the only drug free bb at the moment.
lol.
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You can do jailtime in the NFL, NBA, MLB and still play, the IFBB shouldnt be any different.
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Yes, it does, and I can guarantee you that during the time he was incarcerated...that he was suspended and not allowed to compete on an IFBB stage..! ;D
THIS IS DEFINETLY THE DUMBEST FUCKING RULE EVER HOW MANY PEOPLE DIOD IT TAKE TO COME UP WITH THIS OR DID YOU DO IT YOURSELF CHICK. SUSPENDED WHIL INCARCERATED THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE HOW FUCKING DUMB DO YOU YOU THINK WE ARE FUCKHEAD YOU A THE REP OF DIP[SHITS
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I have nothing personal against Victor and think he has incredible physique, etc.
I believe he was convicted and spent time in a NY prison for a felony drug charge 2-3 years ago?
Wouldn't this violta the IFBB pro divisions own rules and guideline for being eligible to compete as
an IFBB pro? Just curious, thanks, Howard
The 'amazing physique' should be disregarded. He is a convicted criminal, plain and simple.
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i think chick is dating victor thats why he is still in the ifbb
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Exactly...! Read the beginning of the thread and it should bring you up to speed about "Victor's past".
Don't get me wrong, dude looks sick on stage. But one has to be accountable for his actions and his actions have NOT been that of a 'model citizen'.
Which is why he will never win any title of significance
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maybe lee should due some time in the pen so he can compete again
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Let me make this clear. I think Victor is a good pro and I enjoy seeing him on stage.
However, how can we ever have any consistant JUDGING standard when all the other aspects related to the sport
( felons being allowed back, useing listed banned drugs, etc) are ignored or rules bent.
...and some wonder why the sport lacks a credible, consistant standard ? geeeeeeeeeeeeeeessssssss shhh
I accepted it was a crazy wonderful circus years ago and stopped taking serious who won what big pro show years ago. I enjoy the events and the physiques and could care less who wins.
Credibility and consistency. These two words resonate.
Just imagine if someone like Tiger Woods took hundreds of fees for golf club memberships, then closed the club in short order without word or refund.
And he got caught dealing cocaine.
He would never be welcomed back on the tour.
He'd be persona non grata ala Eliot Spitzer.
And so we have Martinez......
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If a person serves time in jail for a crime they are convicted of - they have been punished and paid their debt to society! Why should a criminal record be held against anyone who has served their time and is trying to move on with their life?
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Time served should be considered as paying one's dues.
However, image and character should also be considered.
And, in the real world, guys with the dossier like the one Martinez have built for themselves will always be held against them...fair or not.
Furthermore, he has more than one offense (several)
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I have nothing personal against Victor and think he has incredible physique, etc.
I believe he was convicted and spent time in a NY prison for a felony drug charge 2-3 years ago?
Wouldn't this violta the IFBB pro divisions own rules and guideline for being eligible to compete as
an IFBB pro? Just curious, thanks, Howard
Next thing you're gonna wanna know how Eliot Spitzer still has his IFBB Pro card. Sheesh!
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the IFBB should have suspended him for at least a couple of years after he got out of jail... that would have been punishment enough.. they should do that to all pros who get busted by the law
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the IFBB should have suspended him for at least a couple of years after he got out of jail... that would have been punishment enough.. they should do that to all pros who get busted by the law
thats more like it unless your chick what a moron
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the IFBB should have suspended him for at least a couple of years after he got out of jail... that would have been punishment enough.. they should do that to all pros who get busted by the law
If they did that, they might not have a sport.... 8)
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Next thing you're gonna wanna know how Eliot Spitzer still has his IFBB Pro card. Sheesh!
how about how is David Vitter still in the Senate ?
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Gotta love the way that stooge Chick takes on all-comers while Manion is at a contest or on holiday! Then it is back to business as usual. Which means he keeps his trap shut. If you didn't know better you would swear the guy was a puppet.
#%$#$ the IFBB is all that I can add.
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Why should any of these guys not be allowed to compete if they are felons or not? 99.95 of pros are felons as well as most of the people on this board, they just havn't gotten caught yet. Bottom line is that Vic sells tickets to these shows and the IFFB would lose money.
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Why should any of these guys not be allowed to compete if they are felons or not? 99.95 of pros are felons as well as most of the people on this board, they just havn't gotten caught yet. Bottom line is that Vic sells tickets to these shows and the IFFB would lose money.
How do you feel about Lee Priest's permanent ban by the IFBB? Is it fair punishment or has he "served his time"?
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How do you feel about Lee Priest's permanent ban by the IFBB? Is it fair punishment or has he "served his time"?
I thought Lee Priest was dead ???
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I thought Lee Priest was dead ???
Lee Priest dwarfs you Sean Rey.
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How do you feel about Lee Priest's permanent ban by the IFBB? Is it fair punishment or has he "served his time"?
I never did agree with it but like Bob said, it's a club and they can do what they want.
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Yep. If you don't like it, start a better federation.
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Yep. If you don't like it, start a better federation.
Maybe I will, Robert. >:(
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Maybe I will, Robert. >:(
;D
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Maybe I will, Robert. >:(
LMAO.
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The bottom line is the guys running the IFBB would suck the cock of Hitler and Mussolini at a drop of a hat...Do you really believe that guys like this are going to be in charge of an organization were there are actually guidelines and where everyone were treated equal?They do what they want to do to feed the silly ego that is embedded in them...But don't sweat it, these people will pay a price...This dimension is the best its ever going to be for them...
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Why should any of these guys not be allowed to compete if they are felons or not? 99.95 of pros are felons as well as most of the people on this board, they just havn't gotten caught yet. Bottom line is that Vic sells tickets to these shows and the IFFB would lose money.
MOST people could give a crap if a specific bb is at a show. There are enough freaks to compensate for the absence of one.
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he should have been suspened end of story. but its too late now, they'll just have to wait until he commites another crime (which wont take long at all)
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he should have been suspened end of story. but its too late now, they'll just have to wait until he commites another crime (which wont take long at all)
Agreed
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i bet somebody was afraid that Vic would rat on them if his IFBB pro card were revoked.
IFBB = schmoes + hoes + drug addicts
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At the end of the day, all of the IFBB pro's are off their heads on steroids, GH(15), insulin and what not. Martinez served his time.
What suprised me is that he still easily lands a big contract deal etc and that his past has not seemed to effect his placing too much (Mr. O #2, Arnold winner etc). However, Greene's past pails into insignificance with regards to Matinez' jail conviction, yet big supplement contracts don't seem to come his way?
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At the end of the day, all of the IFBB pro's are off their heads on steroids, GH(15), insulin and what not. Martinez served his time.
What suprised me is that he still easily lands a big contract deal etc and that his past has not seemed to effect his placing too much (Mr. O #2, Arnold winner etc). However, Greene's past pails into insignificance with regards to Matinez' jail conviction, yet big supplement contracts don't seem to come his way?
fucking grape fruits is way worst than selling drugs
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fucking grape fruits is way worst than selling drugs
I don't know how you worked that one out. Martinez has spent time in jail?
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yes, what is wrong with that ?
he paid what he had to pay to the society for a non-important crime, I don't get why he should be penalyzed for that ?
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Has any pro posed to this song?
This is the greatest music video ever BTW
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The Beef would like to get JohnnyVegas's take on this. Mr. Vegas, how can a convicted criminal stay juiced while he is on probation ( which Vic was.)
The beef
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The Beef would like to get JohnnyVegas's take on this. Mr. Vegas, how can a convicted criminal stay juiced while he is on probation ( which Vic was.)
The beef
When a person is placed on probation they are given a number of "conditions".
One condition listed in ALL probation (or parole) cases is that the defendant "obey and follow all rules and laws" of the land. This would include not using illegal steroids (if Doctor prescribed he would be cool though).
So, if old Victor were to be given a steroid test, he would be in big trouble.
But I have a feeling that the courts are far to busy to deal with minor infractions and shit like steroid use.
Now, if Victor were to say rob a bank, that would be a much bigger infraction and it would be back to the big house.
Hope this helps.
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Yes, that is what The Beef thought.
Thanks,
The Beef
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MOST people could give a crap if a specific bb is at a show. There are enough freaks to compensate for the absence of one.
You may be right even though I think not, but some supplement companies have a lot invested in some of these guys.
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Why should any of these guys not be allowed to compete if they are felons or not? 99.95 of pros are felons as well as most of the people on this board, they just havn't gotten caught yet. Bottom line is that Vic sells tickets to these shows and the IFFB would lose money.
Thank you! Well said.....it's funny how one drug dealer is convicted, so they want his head on a platter.....but they have NO PROBLEM supporting the other scumbags who are also breaking the law, but just haven't been busted yet. ::)
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if they got rid of all the felons, there would be nobody left to challenge Cutler, Dexter and Heath. When Victor wins the Olympia some people in high places will crap in their pants ;D
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CHICK YOUR STILL A moron
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I have nothing personal against Victor and think he has incredible physique, etc.
I believe he was convicted and spent time in a NY prison for a felony drug charge 2-3 years ago?
Wouldn't this violta the IFBB pro divisions own rules and guideline for being eligible to compete as
an IFBB pro? Just curious, thanks, Howard
Actually that is all good for his resume. He will soon be working for MD.
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At the end of the day, all of the IFBB pro's are off their heads on steroids, GH(15), insulin and what not. Martinez served his time.
What suprised me is that he still easily lands a big contract deal etc and that his past has not seemed to effect his placing too much (Mr. O #2, Arnold winner etc). However, Greene's past pails into insignificance with regards to Matinez' jail conviction, yet big supplement contracts don't seem to come his way?
Gay for pay and fu#$ing grapefruit is just WRONG, and no one wants this to represent their product line.... unless someone comes up with a new slogan "Grapefruit with a shot of PROTEIN"
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if they got rid of all the felons, there would be nobody left to challenge Cutler, Dexter and Heath. When Victor wins the Olympia some people in high places will crap in their pants ;D
He will never, ever win it.
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the IFBB should have suspended him for at least a couple of years after he got out of jail... that would have been punishment enough.. they should do that to all pros who get busted by the law
I agree , but I suspect the reason they don't push "drug based suspensions" is that it would open up a can of wrms they have no intention of dealing directly with. My original idea is that if you get busted for drugs, that is objective proof and not rumor. Since the IFBB rules celarly state this is grounds for automatic disqualification from the IFBB pro div, why was Victor never suspended or disqualified.
I sincerely fear that this "don't ask/don't tell" drug policy is one big house of cards that will fall if it is ever tsted in open court.