Author Topic: How is Victor Martinez allowed to still compete as an IFBB pro? (Read 12737 times)

HowieW · « **on:** October 25, 2007, 02:20:27 PM »

I have nothing personal against Victor and think he has incredible physique, etc.
I believe he was convicted and spent time in a NY prison for a felony drug charge 2-3 years ago?
Wouldn't this violta the IFBB pro divisions own rules and guideline for being eligible to compete as
an IFBB pro? Just curious, thanks, Howard

The_Schofeild_Kid · « **Reply #1 on:** October 25, 2007, 02:21:37 PM »

hi dexter

gordiano · « **Reply #2 on:** October 25, 2007, 02:22:09 PM »

Quote from: HowieW on October 25, 2007, 02:20:27 PM

I have nothing personal against Victor and think he has incredible physique, etc.
I believe he was convicted and spent time in a NY prison for a felony drug charge 2-3 years ago?
Wouldn't this violta the IFBB pro divisions own rules and guideline for being eligible to compete as
an IFBB pro? Just curious, thanks, Howard

It's called a double standard, Howie....

Priest competes for another fed, and he's suspended. Victor commits crimes left and right, and is rewarded...... $:-\$

Matt C · « **Reply #3 on:** October 25, 2007, 02:30:10 PM »

Quote from: HowieW on October 25, 2007, 02:20:27 PM

I have nothing personal against Victor and think he has incredible physique, etc.
I believe he was convicted and spent time in a NY prison for a felony drug charge 2-3 years ago?
Wouldn't this violta the IFBB pro divisions own rules and guideline for being eligible to compete as
an IFBB pro? Just curious, thanks, Howard

Hi Dexter.

HowieW · « **Reply #4 on:** October 25, 2007, 02:31:43 PM »

Quote from: gordiano on October 25, 2007, 02:22:09 PM

It's called a double standard, Howie....

Priest competes for another fed, and he's suspended. Victor commits crimes left and right, and is rewarded...... $:-\$

Maybe it is just me , but does ANYBODY in bodybuilding follow and adhere to the actual rules?

JasonH · « **Reply #5 on:** October 25, 2007, 02:34:00 PM »

Quote from: HowieW on October 25, 2007, 02:31:43 PM

Maybe it is just me , but does ANYBODY in bodybuilding follow and adhere to the actual rules?

Only when it suits them.

Matt C · « **Reply #6 on:** October 25, 2007, 02:35:52 PM »

Quote from: gordiano on October 25, 2007, 02:22:09 PM

It's called a double standard, Howie....

Priest competes for another fed, and he's suspended. Victor commits crimes left and right, and is rewarded...... $:-\$

Hi Dexter.

bigbalddaddy · « **Reply #7 on:** October 25, 2007, 02:44:52 PM »

Plus he's got mad oil in his calves...calfs...LOL

Busted · « **Reply #8 on:** October 25, 2007, 02:52:56 PM »

Busted 2 times for being a drug dealer, Not once. Being investigated in Florida currently for the Bust in Orlando.

HowieW · « **Reply #9 on:** October 25, 2007, 03:11:11 PM »

Quote from: Busted on October 25, 2007, 02:52:56 PM

Busted 2 times for being a drug dealer, Not once. Being investigated in Florida currently for the Bust in Orlando.

Really? is this true.
By the way, I am just ol' Howard, and I am a fan of Dexter but hardly him

atrain · « **Reply #10 on:** October 25, 2007, 03:15:20 PM »

Just because he is a good IFBB pro more attention should not be paid to his mistakes. When Titus went to prison (first time in like 96) no one seemed to care.

HowieW · « **Reply #11 on:** October 25, 2007, 03:21:28 PM »

Quote from: atrain on October 25, 2007, 03:15:20 PM

Just because he is a good IFBB pro more attention should not be paid to his mistakes. When Titus went to prison (first time in like 96) no one seemed to care.

This is NOT a personal judgement . It states clearly in the IFBB rulebook that what he and others like Titus are found guilty and convicted of doing will not be able to be an IFBB pro.
People complain about the judes not alwyas following the judging rules and standards, but none of the pros follow the rules for banned substances??? Am I wrong ?

wes · « **Reply #12 on:** October 25, 2007, 03:28:07 PM »

If he paid for his crimes,who gives a shit?

Man of Steel · « **Reply #13 on:** October 25, 2007, 03:29:07 PM »

The IFBB bends the rules on a whim....whichever bbs make for a good contest or whichever bbs are the "big studs" of the moment will be allowed to compete regardless of the "rules".

HowieW · « **Reply #14 on:** October 25, 2007, 03:37:08 PM »

Quote from: Man of Steel on October 25, 2007, 03:29:07 PM

The IFBB bends the rules on a whim....whichever bbs make for a good contest or whichever bbs are the "big studs" of the moment will be allowed to compete regardless of the "rules".

Let me make this clear. I think Victor is a good pro and I enjoy seeing him on stage.
However, how can we ever have any consistant JUDGING standard when all the other aspects related to the sport
( felons being allowed back, useing listed banned drugs, etc) are ignored or rules bent.

...and some wonder why the sport lacks a credible, consistant standard ? geeeeeeeeeeeeeeessssssss shhh
I accepted it was a crazy wonderful circus years ago and stopped taking serious who won what big pro show years ago. I enjoy the events and the physiques and could care less who wins.

Man of Steel · « **Reply #15 on:** October 25, 2007, 03:38:33 PM »

Quote from: HowieW on October 25, 2007, 03:37:08 PM

Let me make this clear. I think Victor is a good pro and I enjoy seeing him on stage.
However, how can we ever have any consistant JUDGING standard when all the other aspects related to the sport
( felons being allowed back, useing listed banned drugs, etc) are ignored or rules bent.

...and some wonder why the sport lacks a credible, consistant standard ? geeeeeeeeeeeeeeessssssss shhh
I accepted it was a crazy wonderful circus years ago and stopped taking serious who won what big pro show years ago. I enjoy the events and the physiques and could care less who wins.

You can't enforce standards in a semi-fixed contest.

HowieW · « **Reply #16 on:** October 25, 2007, 03:40:45 PM »

Quote from: Man of Steel on October 25, 2007, 03:38:33 PM

You can't enforce standards in a semi-fixed contest.

The real fix is a complete of any rule enforcement of what the bodybuilders use to compete in the show.
NONE follow the rules to get ready for the show, the judging is a LOT MORE reliable than the drug use free for all of banned substances.

SAMSON123 · « **Reply #17 on:** October 25, 2007, 03:41:37 PM »

Quote from: HowieW on October 25, 2007, 02:20:27 PM

I have nothing personal against Victor and think he has incredible physique, etc.
I believe he was convicted and spent time in a NY prison for a felony drug charge 2-3 years ago?
Wouldn't this violta the IFBB pro divisions own rules and guideline for being eligible to compete as
an IFBB pro? Just curious, thanks, Howard

ha ha ha ha...WTF? DOES THE IFBB HAVE WINGS ON ITS BACK, A HALO ON ITS HEAD AND HARPS IN ITS HAND? HOW COULD A BULLSHIT AND CORRUPT ORGANIZATION SAY ANYTHING TO ANYONE ABOUT CRIMINAL ACTIVITY WHEN THEY ARE ENGAGED IN WORST THAN THE ONE THEY SPOTLIGHT?

slaveboy1980 · « **Reply #18 on:** October 25, 2007, 03:42:06 PM »

Quote from: HowieW on October 25, 2007, 02:20:27 PM

I have nothing personal against Victor and think he has incredible physique, etc.
I believe he was convicted and spent time in a NY prison for a felony drug charge 2-3 years ago?
Wouldn't this violta the IFBB pro divisions own rules and guideline for being eligible to compete as
an IFBB pro? Just curious, thanks, Howard

every pro bodybuilder is a criminal.

hope this helps

Zach Trowbridge · « **Reply #19 on:** October 25, 2007, 04:02:47 PM »

If pro sports started banning criminals from competing the Dallas Cowboys would be left with one guy, the waterboy. And even that's questionable.

Busted · « **Reply #20 on:** October 25, 2007, 05:02:16 PM »

Quote from: wes on October 25, 2007, 03:28:07 PM

If he paid for his crimes,who gives a shit?

No others he ratted on paid for his crimes.

Iraclese · « **Reply #21 on:** October 25, 2007, 06:12:49 PM »

Crimes?? He got set up and busted for juice, big deal. Crime my ass.

Busted · « **Reply #22 on:** October 25, 2007, 07:48:48 PM »

Quote from: Iraclese on October 25, 2007, 06:12:49 PM

Crimes?? He got set up and busted for juice, big deal. Crime my ass.

Growth Hormone 1 time and Recreational Drugs the other.

Hedgehog · « **Reply #23 on:** October 25, 2007, 07:52:16 PM »

Quote from: HowieW on October 25, 2007, 02:20:27 PM

I have nothing personal against Victor and think he has incredible physique, etc.
I believe he was convicted and spent time in a NY prison for a felony drug charge 2-3 years ago?
Wouldn't this violta the IFBB pro divisions own rules and guideline for being eligible to compete as
an IFBB pro? Just curious, thanks, Howard

And how about that "Victor's" gym business?

HowieW · « **Reply #24 on:** October 25, 2007, 07:56:18 PM »

Quote from: Iraclese on October 25, 2007, 06:12:49 PM

Crimes?? He got set up and busted for juice, big deal. Crime my ass.

Look, let me make this clear. I am a libertarian and if I made the laws , many drugs would be legal and that includes roids , HGH and related stuff. my MAIN issue is that the actual law says they are illegal and Victor was convicted and went to jail. I have nothing against Victor and respect him as a pro bodybuilder.
I am just curious as to why the IFBB has actual written rules and then enforces them in such a haphazzard fashion.
Why NOT just avoid having any drug testing rules or rules of conduct and just let the guys get on stage and judge them as is. Why pretend when everyone knows different, THAT looks foolish .