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Title: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: King Shizzo on June 09, 2014, 08:22:04 AM
Lets say there was a shot that could be injected into the wombs of newly pregnant women.

The shot would cost $30,000 and ensure that the baby would be born without any conditions or birth defects

Would you find a way to come up with the money, or would you go with nature's role of the dice?
Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: _aj_ on June 09, 2014, 08:23:24 AM
I don't take kindly to disrespect. not on the internet, not in person, not in a grocery store parking lot, not in like at walmart, not in a restaurant, not at the beach, not at the dry cleaners... anywhere.

ppl talk about the 'pussyfication' of America, yet they run their mouths thinking they won't get slapped and get their arm broken in front of their friends.

spent many yrs in a place where if you talk slick and say something out of line to somebody, you know that when you say it, you better be ready for what happens. most ppl here in the 'real world', aren't ready for what could happen.. and run their mouths like the world is a make believe cartoon. despite wearing nice slacks, polished shoes and a nice shirt, the guy you steal that parking spot from at the grocery store and proceed to flip off, may have just gotten out of prison and will have no problem identifying they bitch in you and proceed to teach you a lesson by taking you down to the ground and kicking out your teeth before you even know what happened.

the guy who's willing to go the furthest, wins. if you're not willing to go all the way, it's best you keep your mouth shut and move on, and make it to the next day.
Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: King Shizzo on June 09, 2014, 08:26:40 AM
I don't take kindly to disrespect. not on the internet, not in person, not in a grocery store parking lot, not in like at walmart, not in a restaurant, not at the beach, not at the dry cleaners... anywhere.

ppl talk about the 'pussyfication' of America, yet they run their mouths thinking they won't get slapped and get their arm broken in front of their friends.

spent many yrs in a place where if you talk slick and say something out of line to somebody, you know that when you say it, you better be ready for what happens. most ppl here in the 'real world', aren't ready for what could happen.. and run their mouths like the world is a make believe cartoon. despite wearing nice slacks, polished shoes and a nice shirt, the guy you steal that parking spot from at the grocery store and proceed to flip off, may have just gotten out of prison and will have no problem identifying they bitch in you and proceed to teach you a lesson by taking you down to the ground and kicking out your teeth before you even know what happened.

the guy who's willing to go the furthest, wins. if you're not willing to go all the way, it's best you keep your mouth shut and move on, and make it to the next day.
Obviously you did not get the shot.  :D
Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: Primary Captain on June 09, 2014, 08:30:27 AM
Obviously you did not get the shot.  :D
And what shot did your garbage parents provide you with? A shot of Jack Daniels?
Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: King Shizzo on June 09, 2014, 08:32:07 AM
And what shot did your garbage parents provide you with? A shot of Jack Daniels?
hahahaha
Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: OneMoreRep on June 09, 2014, 08:43:54 AM
Lets say there was a shot that could be injected into the wombs of newly pregnant women.

The shot would cost $5,000 and ensure that the baby would be born without any conditions or birth defects

Would you find a way to come up with the money, or would you go with nature's role of the dice?

There is already genetic testing that can be done in order to gauge whether a child could be born with a number of inherited diseases.

Many women go and have an amniocentesis around the 3-5 month mark of their pregnancy (with minor risk to the fetus) and have the amniotic fluid evaluated for many conditions the likes of Cystic Fibrosis, sickle cell, thalassemia, fragile x, taysachs and down syndrome.

The good thing about this is that the genetic testing is covered by most insurances. The actual cost for the testing is anywhere between a few hundred dollars to even up to $3-4,000.

While it's not a injection, it's certainly a shot in the right direction.

"1"
Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: King Shizzo on June 09, 2014, 08:54:23 AM
There is already genetic testing that can be done in order to gauge whether a child could be born with a number of inherited diseases.

Many women go and have an amniocentesis around the 3-5 month mark of their pregnancy (with minor risk to the fetus) and have the amniotic fluid evaluated for many conditions the likes of Cystic Fibrosis, sickle cell, thalassemia, fragile x, taysachs and down syndrome.  
The good thing about this is that the genetic testing is covered by most insurances. The actual cost for the testing is anywhere between a few hundred dollars to even up to $3-4,000.

While it's not a injection, it's certainly a shot in the right direction.

"1"
Wouldn't it be too late at that point? I am implying a shot into the womb of a woman who is only weeks to a month pregnant. It would not be covered by insurance and would 99% ensure that you have a baby free of birth defects and conditions.

Would you find a way to get that 5K?
Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: King Shizzo on June 09, 2014, 09:01:19 AM
There is already genetic testing that can be done in order to gauge whether a child could be born with a number of inherited diseases.

Many women go and have an amniocentesis around the 3-5 month mark of their pregnancy (with minor risk to the fetus) and have the amniotic fluid evaluated for many conditions the likes of Cystic Fibrosis, sickle cell, thalassemia, fragile x, taysachs and down syndrome.

The good thing about this is that the genetic testing is covered by most insurances. The actual cost for the testing is anywhere between a few hundred dollars to even up to $3-4,000.

While it's not a injection, it's certainly a shot in the right direction.

"1"
I see what you did there.
Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: Grape Ape on June 09, 2014, 09:01:40 AM
5k would be a small price to pay until Shizzo's scenario.

I don't think it would be much of a dilemma.
Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: Knooger on June 09, 2014, 09:01:45 AM
Lets say there was a shot that could be injected into the wombs of newly pregnant women.

The shot would cost $5,000 and ensure that the baby would be born without any conditions or birth defects

Would you find a way to come up with the money, or would you go with nature's role of the dice?

How fucking poor are you?
Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: Simple Simon on June 09, 2014, 09:02:28 AM
If this were around years ago then shizzo wouldn't be on this forum
Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: OneMoreRep on June 09, 2014, 09:03:45 AM
Wouldn't it be too late at that point? I am implying a shot into the womb of a woman who is only weeks to a month pregnant. It would not be covered by insurance and would 99% ensure that you have a baby free of birth defects and conditions.

Would you find a way to get that 5K?

Of course I would. 5K is nothing when you weigh out the benefits of a lifelong opportunity of great health.

Here in New York City at least, men are faced with many financial burdens prior to their wives giving birth. My older brother had to give his wife what's called a "push present" that normally comes in the way of expensive Jewelry. If you add up all the residual hospital costs and the gifts to your partner, the 5K you speak of is a drop in the bucket.

Heck, just preparing a room for an incoming child can run you upwards of $10,000 (crib, playpen, drawer, humidifiers, decorations, year supply of pampers and formula milk, various creams etc.).

"1"
Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: OneMoreRep on June 09, 2014, 09:04:51 AM
I see what you did there.

I was wondering whether you would pick up on that. For a moment there, I thought you were slipping.

"1"
Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: Frank Clairmonte on June 09, 2014, 09:05:59 AM
i would pay even 100 000. if i had it.
Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: King Shizzo on June 09, 2014, 09:08:47 AM
Lol!!!!  ;D It's more about a money vs. morals question. How much would you be willing to pay for a perfectly healthy newborn?

There would be plenty of people who could not come up with 5K in cash. There would be no financing available either.

We could make the amount 30K if you want? The point, is that a shot like that would be priceless.

Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: King Shizzo on June 09, 2014, 09:13:23 AM
Point taken retards (the shot would have taken care of that)

I have adjusted the pricetag to 30K in cash. No credit, financing, or insurance is offered.

Would you mortgage a house for this shot? Would you sell your favorite possesions for this shot?

Afterall, most babies are born perfectly healthy anyways.
Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: _aj_ on June 09, 2014, 09:15:10 AM
Would you mortgage a house for this shot? Would you sell your favorite possesions for this shot?

Yes. Next question?
Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: Knooger on June 09, 2014, 09:18:43 AM
Point taken retards (the shot would have taken care of that)

I have adjusted the pricetag to 30K in cash. No credit, financing, or insurance is offered.

Would you mortgage a house for this shot? Would you sell your favorite possesions for this shot?

Afterall, most babies are born perfectly healthy anyways.

Jesus, you are truly poor. Even your updated version still screams it. Have you ever heard of savings, have you tried it?
Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: King Shizzo on June 09, 2014, 09:21:20 AM
Yes. Next question?
Really? That simple of a decision?

Guaranteeing the birth of a healthy baby goes only so far. Said baby could catch a fatal disease at the age of 3. You are paying for the BIRTH of a 100% healthy baby.
Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: Knooger on June 09, 2014, 09:22:43 AM
Really? That simple of a decision?

Guaranteeing the birth of a healthy baby goes only so far. Said baby could catch a fatal disease at the age of 3. You are paying for the BIRTH of a 100% healthy baby.

As poor as you are you'll never have to worry about this. Only way you'll ever get a woman pregnant is if you rape one. However I'd guess you're most likely infertile.
Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: King Shizzo on June 09, 2014, 09:23:18 AM
Jesus, you are truly poor. Even your updated version still screams it. Have you ever heard of savings, have you tried it?
Yes I admit I do not have access to 30k in cash. 90% of getbig does not either.

You should use some of that money to get lipo and shave the hair on your froto toes.

That way, we don't have to hear you whine about gaining .5 a pound in a week.
Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: Simple Simon on June 09, 2014, 09:23:37 AM
Really? That simple of a decision?

Guaranteeing the birth of a healthy baby goes only so far. Said baby could catch a fatal disease at the age of 3. You are paying for the BIRTH of a 100% healthy baby.
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Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: King Shizzo on June 09, 2014, 09:27:20 AM
As poor as you are you'll never have to worry about this. Only way you'll ever get a woman pregnant is if you rape one. However I'd guess you're most likely infertile.
I do alright.

Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: Simple Simon on June 09, 2014, 09:28:32 AM
I do alright.


Is that chick saying "Get off my lawn"
Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: Knooger on June 09, 2014, 09:28:53 AM
I do alright.



Man, I'm just trolling you. I couldn't come up with $500. You've seen the filth I live in when I post the weight updates.  :D
Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: the trainer on June 09, 2014, 09:30:23 AM
I do alright.



Cool shizzo I am alright myself.

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Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: King Shizzo on June 09, 2014, 09:31:04 AM
Man, I'm just trolling you. I couldn't come up with $500. You've seen the filth I live in when I post the weight updates.  :D
I don't take kindly to disrespect. not on the internet, not in person, not in a grocery store parking lot, not in like at walmart, not in a restaurant, not at the beach, not at the dry cleaners... anywhere.

ppl talk about the 'pussyfication' of America, yet they run their mouths thinking they won't get slapped and get their arm broken in front of their friends.

spent many yrs in a place where if you talk slick and say something out of line to somebody, you know that when you say it, you better be ready for what happens. most ppl here in the 'real world', aren't ready for what could happen.. and run their mouths like the world is a make believe cartoon. despite wearing nice slacks, polished shoes and a nice shirt, the guy you steal that parking spot from at the grocery store and proceed to flip off, may have just gotten out of prison and will have no problem identifying they bitch in you and proceed to teach you a lesson by taking you down to the ground and kicking out your teeth before you even know what happened.

the guy who's willing to go the furthest, wins. if you're not willing to go all the way, it's best you keep your mouth shut and move on, and make it to the next day.

Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: _aj_ on June 09, 2014, 09:32:01 AM
Really? That simple of a decision?

Guaranteeing the birth of a healthy baby goes only so far. Said baby could catch a fatal disease at the age of 3. You are paying for the BIRTH of a 100% healthy baby.

Yes, from the time that you know that you are pregnant to the time that your child walks and talks in a developmentally normal time are INSANELY stressful. On my wife's 17th week of pregnancy, we had an amniocentesis and a "diagnostic ultrasound" at the clinic that pioneered diagnostic ultrasound in Boston. We were obviously very worried about "what if's". To hear that my son was developmentally "perfect" and that the amnio was clean was greater than any gift.

To not have that worry and to know that your child will be free from a statistically relevant risk would be worth almost anything. $5K, $30K, $100K. Doesn't fucking matter.

To those that have kids, you know. There is nothing in the world that matters more. NOTHING.
Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: King Shizzo on June 09, 2014, 09:39:35 AM
Yes, from the time that you know that you are pregnant to the time that your child walks and talks in a developmentally normal time are INSANELY stressful. On my wife's 17th week of pregnancy, we had an amniocentesis and a "diagnostic ultrasound" at the clinic that pioneered diagnostic ultrasound in Boston. We were obviously very worried about "what if's". To hear that my son was developmentally "perfect" and that the amnio was clean was greater than any gift.

To not have that worry and to know that your child will be free from a statistically relevant risk would be worth almost anything. $5K, $30K, $100K. Doesn't fucking matter.
To those that have kids, you know. There is nothing in the world that matters more. NOTHING.
I agree with you 100%, but lets face the facts. Money would be an issue for many people.

I agree that I was wrong to have an original figure of 5K. Anyone would do what they had to do to come up with that kind of money. But what if the price was so high, that only the rich could afford that luxury?

Would it become business as usual, or would it spark a public revolt?

I think I just thought of a decent movie script. I'm gonna cast Tom Cruise and George Clooney.
Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: _aj_ on June 09, 2014, 09:48:17 AM
I agree with you 100%, but lets face the facts. Money would be an issue for many people.

I agree that I was wrong to have an original figure of 5K. Anyone would do what they had to do to come up with that kind of money. But what if the price was so high, that only the rich could afford that luxury?

Would it become business as usual, or would it spark a public revolt?

I think I just thought of a decent movie script. I'm gonna cast Tom Cruise and George Clooney.

It's been done. Gattaca.
Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: King Shizzo on June 09, 2014, 09:51:22 AM
It's been done. Gattaca.
Really? Sounds like some cheesy Sci-Fy bullshit. I would also cast Michael Keaton as the lead doctor in my movie.
Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: _aj_ on June 09, 2014, 09:53:26 AM
Really? Sounds like some cheesy Sci-Fy bullshit. I would also cast Michael Keaton as the lead doctor in my movie.

I hear he's been looking for work since Batman. He's awaiting your call.
Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: King Shizzo on June 09, 2014, 09:55:43 AM
I hear he's been looking for work since Batman. He's awaiting your call.
Blasphemy!!! Keaton is a great actor. Just go to IMDB and take a look at the man's body of work.

He plays great roles. True professional.
Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: Man of Steel on June 09, 2014, 10:20:18 AM
Lets say there was a shot that could be injected into the wombs of newly pregnant women.

The shot would cost $30,000 and ensure that the baby would be born without any conditions or birth defects

Would you find a way to come up with the money, or would you go with nature's role of the dice?

I've actually encountered a number of folks that would pay for something like this provided the procedure also ensured the the baby was.......how do I put this........white.
Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: King Shizzo on June 09, 2014, 10:23:56 AM
I've actually encountered a number of folks that would pay for something like this provided the procedure also ensured the the baby was.......how do I put this........white.
............Does god account for comedic humor? I give you credit MOS, you do take liberties as a christian.
Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: Man of Steel on June 09, 2014, 10:27:46 AM
............Does god account for comedic humor? I give you credit MOS, you do take liberties as a christian.

We gotta be able to laugh! 
Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: King Shizzo on June 09, 2014, 10:30:52 AM
We gotta be able to laugh! 
I am 100% on your side, but can you see how your statement can be viewed by others?

You can either be 100% confident, or 100% obedient.

Only one gets you to where you want to go.
Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: Tapeworm on June 09, 2014, 10:31:31 AM
Rich or poor, parents shouldn't tolerate sickness in babies under any circumstances.  If an infant is behaving unhealthy then you punish it.  This is how children learn.

Fucking nanny state.
Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: Knooger on June 09, 2014, 10:32:34 AM
Rich or poor, parents shouldn't tolerate sickness in babies under any circumstances.  If an infant is behaving unhealthy then you punish it.  This is how children learn.

Fucking nanny state.

Amen!
Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: Man of Steel on June 09, 2014, 10:33:15 AM
I am 100% on your side, but can you see how your statement can be viewed by others?

You can either be 100% confident, or 100% obedient.

Only one gets you to where you want to go.

Yep and anytime I do or say anything slightly funny anymore I get exactly what you're posting now.....it happens over and over and over and over and over and over.......

On this board I either post about religion and keep my comments bright, sparkling white or I don't post....if I "cut loose" then it's this LOL.....if I speak about faith it's abuse LOL.....I can't win either way LOL.
Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: DroppingPlates on June 09, 2014, 10:38:15 AM
I would pay for a wife that wants to stay childfree.
Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: King Shizzo on June 09, 2014, 10:39:26 AM
Yep and anytime I do or say anything slightly funny anymore I get exactly what you're posting now.....it happens over and over and over and over and over and over.......
I have no dog in this fight MOS. I encourage you to seek your own path in life. You absolutely can be an "Original Christian", meaning, that god will reward you for being a good christian.

There are many paths to salvation. Being true to one's self, is at the top of the list.

If there is a "judgement day" all of the fakes will be disposed of. Remember MOS, a book does not define a person.
Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: the trainer on June 09, 2014, 10:40:44 AM
People with inferior genes should not mate with each other if you have shitty genes make sure that you impregnate a woman with good genes that way your kid will have a good body.
Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: Tapeworm on June 09, 2014, 10:41:45 AM
The special needs kid calling MOS a doody head in this thread.
Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: King Shizzo on June 09, 2014, 10:43:35 AM
The special needs kid calling MOS a doody head in this thread.
MOS is a good man. Period.
Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: Man of Steel on June 09, 2014, 10:46:16 AM
I have no dog in this fight MOS. I encourage you to seek your own path in life. You absolutely can be an "Original Christian", meaning, that god will reward you for being a good christian.

There are many paths to salvation. Being true to one's self, is at the top of the list.

If there is a "judgement day" all of the fakes will be disposed of. Remember MOS, a book does not define a person.

I'm curious cause these topics interest me, but what are the many paths?

What do the others paths save people from?
Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: King Shizzo on June 09, 2014, 10:50:09 AM
I'm curious cause these topics interest me, but what are the many paths?

What do the others paths save people from?
Many paths mean that there are multiple right answers to the solution. If you live a good, honest life, then you will be rewarded. There is no "recipe book" that defines a man's soul.

He will know. You will know.
Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: Man of Steel on June 09, 2014, 10:51:43 AM
Many paths mean that there are multiple right answers to the solution. If you live a good, honest life, then you will be rewarded. There is no "recipe book" that defines a man's soul.

He will know. You will know.

Ok, fair enough.

You said "He will know."   Who is "He"?  God?  Which god?
Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: King Shizzo on June 09, 2014, 10:52:39 AM
Ok, fair enough.

You said "He will know."   Who is "He"?  God?  Which god?
You should ask yourself this question. It is the most important.
Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: Man of Steel on June 09, 2014, 10:54:52 AM
You should ask yourself this question. It is the most important.

Will do. 

When you asked the question what did you find?
Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: Tapeworm on June 09, 2014, 10:57:38 AM
It's been done. Gattaca.

Shizzo's Gaytacca: The Chrohomosomal Chronicles


For the uninitiated:



Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: King Shizzo on June 09, 2014, 10:59:47 AM
Will do. 

When you asked the question what did you find?
My belief is that a virtuous man is an equal. Who are humans to decide on which religion is the best?

There have been countless religions on this earth. All of which are equally as important as the people who follow it. Belief is a blessing and a curse.
Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: Man of Steel on June 09, 2014, 11:07:57 AM
My belief is that a virtuous man is an equal. Who are humans to decide on which religion is the best?

There have been countless religions on this earth. All of which are equally as important as the people who follow it. Belief is a blessing and a curse.

So you're saying that regardless of a particular brand of faith, a virtuous man in one religion is equal to a virtuous man in another religion?  A virtuous Christian is equal to a virtuous Muslim or a virtuous Hindu......that the religion prescribed to is unimportant and potentially more harmful than helpful?

Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: King Shizzo on June 09, 2014, 11:11:38 AM
So you're saying that regardless of a particular brand of faith, a virtuous man in one religion is equal to a virtuous man in another religion?  A virtuous Christian is equal to a virtuous Muslim or a virtuous Hindu......that the religion prescribed to is unimportant and potentially more harmful than helpful?


The religion (for a religious man) means everything. MOS, are you implying that christianity should rule over all?  Is christianity the only way to salvation?
Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: Tapeworm on June 09, 2014, 11:15:12 AM
Can we get back to ascribing a dollar value to a newborn's health, please?  The hospitals and insurers are expecting our answer soon.
Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: King Shizzo on June 09, 2014, 11:16:13 AM
Can we get back to ascribing a dollar value to a newborn's health, please?  The hospitals and insurers are expecting our answer soon.
This thread is anything you want it to be.
Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: Man of Steel on June 09, 2014, 11:16:32 AM
The religion (for a religious man) means everything. MOS, are you implying that christianity should rule over all?  Is christianity the only way to salvation?

I agree that a religious man's religion is everything to that man.

Should Christianity rule over all?  No, people are free to make their own choices in life.  If they choose to become Christians I'll all for it.

Well, that takes me back a few posts.  First I need to understand what you mean by salvation?  What are folks saved from?
Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: King Shizzo on June 09, 2014, 11:19:18 AM
I agree that a religious man's religion is everything to that man.

Should Christianity rule over all?  No, people are free to make their own choices in life.  If they choose to become Christians I'll all for it.

Well, that takes me back a few posts.  First I need to understand what you mean by salvation?
Let's consolidate it then. Do you believe that Christianity is the only path to take?
Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: Knooger on June 09, 2014, 11:21:32 AM
Let's consolidate it then. Do you believe that Christianity is the only path to take?

Fuck, you poverty stricken moron. Say, "Is Christianity the only way into Heaven?" Does a Muslim end up in Heaven, or just the Christians?
Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: Man of Steel on June 09, 2014, 11:25:17 AM
Let's consolidate it then. Do you believe that Christianity is the only path to take?

No, there are potentially an unlimited number of paths in life people can take.  A Christian path is just one of many. 

So I ask again respectfully, when you refer to the notion of salvation what do you mean?  What are folks saved from?
Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: Knooger on June 09, 2014, 11:26:46 AM
What are folks saved from?

If Shizzo was really killed in a drunk driving wreck we would be saved from his posts.
Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: King Shizzo on June 09, 2014, 11:27:56 AM
No religion is better than the next. All are fool's gold.

May a powerful being judge me upon death, I will ask him/it to judge me on how I lived.

I have a strange feeling that religion will play no part in the process.
Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: King Shizzo on June 09, 2014, 11:32:47 AM
No, there are potentially an unlimited number of paths in life people can take.  A Christian path is just one of many.   
So I ask again respectfully, when you refer to the notion of salvation what do you mean?  What are folks saved from?
I honestly don't believe that coming from you. Do you believe heaven/salvation awaits people of all beliefs?

Salvation means peace for me. I believe that I am a good human being. When I die, my peace will be knowing that I lived my life as a flawed species.

Heaven could be a never ending dream state for a dead person.
Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: Man of Steel on June 09, 2014, 11:50:59 AM
No religion is better than the next. All are fool's gold.

May a powerful being judge me upon death, I will ask him/it to judge me on how I lived.

I have a strange feeling that religion will play no part in the process.

Fair enough. 

So let's say the powerful being judges you according to how you lived.   What should the comparative be in that judgement?  Or, what is the standard your life is judged against?
Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: King Shizzo on June 09, 2014, 11:53:15 AM
Fair enough. 

So let's say the powerful being judges you according to how you lived.   What should the comparative be in that judgement?  Or, what is the standard your life is judged against?
On a case by case basis. An all powerfull being would have access to every second of my life.

He would be disgusted to see how much of that time was used for masterbation.
Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: Man of Steel on June 09, 2014, 12:03:25 PM
I honestly don't believe that coming from you. Do you believe heaven/salvation awaits people of all beliefs?

Salvation means peace for me. I believe that I am a good human being. When I die, my peace will be knowing that I lived my life as a flawed species.

Heaven could be a never ending dream state for a dead person.

Well I was referring to paths to live out your life.  

If you're referring to paths to heaven I'd need to know what you mean by heaven?  If you're referring to the Christian heaven then yes there is only one path and that's Jesus Christ.

So, you define salvation as peace and that peace is knowing that you lived your life as a flawed species.   And heaven could be a neverending dream state, but in order to dream you'd need to be alive.  

Sorry, I'm trying to make the connection here.
Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: Man of Steel on June 09, 2014, 12:10:28 PM
On a case by case basis. An all powerfull being would have access to every second of my life.

He would be disgusted to see how much of that time was used for masterbation.

Ok, so the powerful being would judge case by case according to how that person lived, but that would be the method of judgement.  What standard would the powerful being use to judge your life against.  What is the criterion or example to judge your life against?
Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: King Shizzo on June 09, 2014, 12:17:57 PM
Ok, so the powerful being would judge case by case according to how that person lived, but that would be the method of judgement.  What standard would the powerful being use to judge your life against.  What is the criterion or example to judge your life against?
My friend, you base your judgement on a book that has been doctored many times.

There are millions of people who have no idea of the concept of a Jesus Christ.

Are they all damned?  Where all of the cultures before the age of Jesus damned as well?

Seems like alot of people were/are going to be damned.

God can only exist if you believe. Having access is part of believing.

Billions of people had/have no idea about Jesus.  What about them?
Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: Man of Steel on June 09, 2014, 12:21:56 PM
My friend, you base your judgement on a book that has been doctored many times.

There are millions of people who have no idea of the concept of a Jesus Christ.

Are they all damned?  Where all of the cultures before the age of Jesus damned as well?

Seems like alot of people were/are going to be damned.

God can only exist if you believe. Having access is part of believing.

Billions of people had/have no idea about Jesus.  What about them?

Before we move onto other topics.....which I'm happy to discuss......I'm interested to finish our first topic about the criteria of judgement in the situation you outlined.
Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: King Shizzo on June 09, 2014, 12:28:02 PM
Before we move onto other topics.....which I'm happy to discuss......I'm interested to finish our first topic about the criteria of judgement in the situation you outline.
My point is this: If I die right now, I am confident that I lived a good life.

Whether it be Jesus, god, or some higher power.

Being a good human should come natural to most people.

Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: Man of Steel on June 09, 2014, 12:38:59 PM
My point is this: If I die right now, I am confident that I lived a good life.

Whether it be Jesus, god, or some higher power.

Being a good human should come natural to most people.



Well, I'm sure you do live a good, decent life.  

What if your neighbor feels that he/she is living a good life and yet the choices he/she makes are contrary to yours?

If a powerful being were going to judge you both shouldn't the standard of judgement be consistent for both?   We can have many folks with differing opinions of "living a good life" (and often times those opinions conflict), but to judge fairly the standard of judgement should be consistent.  What should that criteria be that each life is measured against?      
Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: Voice of Doom on June 09, 2014, 12:43:29 PM
Lets say there was a shot that could be injected into the wombs of newly pregnant women.

The shot would cost $30,000 and ensure that the baby would be born without any conditions or birth defects

Would you find a way to come up with the money, or would you go with nature's role of the dice?

A dumb question.  30k is a drop in the park against the medical costs of having a sick child.  Of course you'd get the shot.   ::)
Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: Irongrip400 on June 09, 2014, 01:21:55 PM
Lets say there was a shot that could be injected into the wombs of newly pregnant women.

The shot would cost $30,000 and ensure that the baby would be born without any conditions or birth defects

Would you find a way to come up with the money, or would you go with nature's role of the dice?

$30k isn't that much, especially for what you're talking about.  Shit, Invetro (sp?) is around $15k per round.  I'd pay it

There is already genetic testing that can be done in order to gauge whether a child could be born with a number of inherited diseases.

Many women go and have an amniocentesis around the 3-5 month mark of their pregnancy (with minor risk to the fetus) and have the amniotic fluid evaluated for many conditions the likes of Cystic Fibrosis, sickle cell, thalassemia, fragile x, taysachs and down syndrome.

The good thing about this is that the genetic testing is covered by most insurances. The actual cost for the testing is anywhere between a few hundred dollars to even up to $3-4,000.

While it's not a injection, it's certainly a shot in the right direction.

"1"

This is a bit different, as the child is already growing inside, and I know people, myself included, who would not care either way at that point, as I would not opt to terminate, nor would my wife, at that point.
Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: Simple Simon on June 09, 2014, 01:22:53 PM
Why is this thread still going?  ???
Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: syntaxmachine on June 09, 2014, 01:39:26 PM
Lol!!!!  ;D It's more about a money vs. morals question. How much would you be willing to pay for a perfectly healthy newborn?

'How much would you be willing to pay?' is a different question than the one you originally proposed.

Prima facie, your original question is moronic: "If you could afford an extremely desirable item, would you purchase it?" Assuming that it isn't controversial to partially define extremely desirable items as items one would purchase if they were affordable, the question is vacuous.

One way to make your jumbled posts interesting (+ non-moronic, non-vacuous) is to place them in the context of a wider issue: is it "moral" to wrest control of our destinies from purely biological processes via the utilization of ever more advanced technologies? There are surely some who uphold what we might call a 'purity principle' whereby they reject some or all forms of tinkering with nature for the purposes of enhancement. But it seems to me a rather extreme stance to deny children the chance at an illness-free start to life and thereby increase the probability of their suffering just because it would require modifying the natural world a bit.
Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: _aj_ on June 09, 2014, 01:49:16 PM
'How much would you be willing to pay?' is a different question than the one you originally proposed.

Prima facie, your original question is moronic: "If you could afford an extremely desirable item, would you purchase it?" Assuming that it isn't controversial to partially define extremely desirable items as items one would purchase if they were affordable, the question is vacuous.

One way to make your jumbled posts interesting (+ non-moronic, non-vacuous) is to place them in the context of a wider issue: is it "moral" to wrest control of our destinies from purely biological processes via the utilization of ever more advanced technologies? There are surely some who uphold what we might call a 'purity principle' whereby they reject some or all forms of tinkering with nature for the purposes of enhancement. But it seems to me a rather extreme stance to deny children the chance at an illness-free start to life and thereby increase the probability of their suffering just because it would require modifying the natural world a bit.

Yes, that would have been an interesting question.

And that would lead to the discussion of the "line" between "necessary" and "elective" enhancement. Making your child perpetually immune to all childhood diseases is great. But what about obesity? What if your child will always be a muscular 10% BF? If society increasingly wants to see obesity as a genetic disorder, would the eradication, with the intentional aesthetic result, be preferable? Or would the purists have fault with that.

The same could be said for homosexuality, or alcoholism, or dependency-disorders.

Where dies it end?
Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: syntaxmachine on June 09, 2014, 01:50:53 PM
Who are humans to decide on which religion is the best?

There have been countless religions on this earth. All of which are equally as important as the people who follow it. Belief is a blessing and a curse.

Who are humans to decide on which theory of the shape of the earth is the best?

There have been many theories of the shape of the earth -- flat earthianity, spheram, oblate spheroidaism. All of which are as equally important as the people who follow them. Belief is a blessing and a curse.

DERP
Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: King Shizzo on June 09, 2014, 02:36:30 PM
Who are humans to decide on which theory of the shape of the earth is the best?

There have been many theories of the shape of the earth -- flat earthianity, spheram, oblate spheroidaism. All of which are as equally important as the people who follow them. Belief is a blessing and a curse.

DERP
I know my thoughts are too complicated for some people to grasp.

Derp.
Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: Knooger on June 09, 2014, 02:58:06 PM
I know my thoughts are too complicated for some people to grasp.

Derp.

They should drink half a fifth of vodka and they'd understand.

Slurp.
Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: Tapeworm on June 09, 2014, 03:12:46 PM
This thread is anything you want it to be.

Sweet

Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: booty on June 09, 2014, 03:35:25 PM
There is already genetic testing that can be done in order to gauge whether a child could be born with a number of inherited diseases.

Many women go and have an amniocentesis around the 3-5 month mark of their pregnancy (with minor risk to the fetus) and have the amniotic fluid evaluated for many conditions the likes of Cystic Fibrosis, sickle cell, thalassemia, fragile x, taysachs and down syndrome.

The good thing about this is that the genetic testing is covered by most insurances. The actual cost for the testing is anywhere between a few hundred dollars to even up to $3-4,000.

While it's not a injection, it's certainly a shot in the right direction.

"1"
In Australia they test more thoroughly if the woman is over 35.  There are more risks apparently after that age. 
Title: Re: Would you pay for a guaranteed healthy baby?
Post by: POB on June 11, 2014, 10:51:09 PM
There is already genetic testing that can be done in order to gauge whether a child could be born with a number of inherited diseases.

Many women go and have an amniocentesis around the 3-5 month mark of their pregnancy (with minor risk to the fetus) and have the amniotic fluid evaluated for many conditions the likes of Cystic Fibrosis, sickle cell, thalassemia, fragile x, taysachs and down syndrome.

The good thing about this is that the genetic testing is covered by most insurances. The actual cost for the testing is anywhere between a few hundred dollars to even up to $3-4,000.

While it's not a injection, it's certainly a shot in the right direction.

"1"

Think your referring to cvs and your price is after the insurance negotiates it down. Copay is a couple hundred of your amount:
http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/healthlibrary/conditions/pregnancy_and_childbirth/common_tests_during_pregnancy_85,P01241/

You can also do.HD ultra sound to make sure the bone structure is correct. Can get a good idea of what the baby's gonna look like now. Most doctors would recommend you do all the tests