Six people and two Florida corporations were charged in an indictment for their roles in a scheme to distribute illegal dietary supplements, the Department of Justice announced today.
Phillip Braun, 38, of Boca Raton, Florida, Aaron Singerman, 39, of Delray Beach, Florida, Robert DiMaggio, 49, of Henderson, Nevada, Anthony Ventrella, 41, of Boynton Beach, Florida, David Winsauer, 32, of Boca Raton, Florida, and James Boccuzzi, 34, of Parkland, Florida, were charged in a 14-count indictment that was returned by a federal grand jury in Miami, Florida on March 7, 2019, and was unsealed today. The indictment also charged Blackstone Labs and Ventech Labs, two Florida limited liability companies in Palm Beach County, Florida.
The indictment alleges that the defendants sold hundreds of thousands of illegal products, including anabolic steroids, nationwide and internationally, fraudulently representing that those products and pills were high-quality, legal dietary supplements. According to the indictment, the defendants created an illicit manufacturing company and routed sales of illegal products through trusted distributors, knowing that the products were unsafe or could not legally be sold to consumers.
“Fraud by supplement manufacturers and distributors is extremely dangerous for consumers, who rightly assume that a dietary supplement product sold in stores or online will not contain unapproved drugs,” said Assistant Attorney General Jody Hunt for the Department of Justice’s Civil Division. “These products are not safe and that is why we will continue to aggressively pursue and prosecute those who import, manufacture, and distribute dangerous and illegal ingredients for fraudulent purposes.”
“Consumers who use dietary supplements expect those products to be safe. When they contain drugs that are not FDA-approved, the health of the public is put at risk,” said Catherine A. Hermsen, Acting Director, FDA Office of Criminal Investigations. “We will continue to pursue and bring to justice those who place consumers’ health in jeopardy.”
All of the defendants were charged with one count of a conspiracy to defraud consumers and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) by selling products labeled as dietary supplements that contained unapproved new drugs, illegal steroids, and other ingredients that were hazardous and prohibited by law. The indictment also charges Braun, an owner of Blackstone Labs, and Singerman, a former company owner, with two counts of introducing a product known as Super DMZ RX 2.0, an unapproved new drug, into interstate commerce. The maximum punishment for the conspiracy to defraud is five years in prison and a fine of $250,000 or twice the gross gain or loss from the offense. The maximum punishment for each of the two counts of introducing an unapproved new drug is three years in prison and a fine of $250,000 or twice the gross gain or loss from the offense.
The indictment further charges Braun, Singerman, and six other defendants with one count of a conspiracy to distribute anabolic steroids, which are Schedule III controlled substances under federal law and which may cause kidney failure, liver damage, and other permanent health problems when misused. The indictment alleges that one person suffered serious bodily injury from the use of one of the steroids involved in the conspiracy. The maximum punishment for the conspiracy to distribute controlled substances is 15 years’ imprisonment and a fine of $500,000 or twice the gross gain or loss from the offense.
The indictment additionally charges several defendants in three separate counts of distribution of anabolic steroids and charges Ventrella with one count of possession of an anabolic steroid with the intent to distribute. The maximum punishment for each count of distribution of a controlled substance and for the count of possession of a controlled substance with intent to distribute is 10 years in prison and a fine of $500,000. Finally, Braun and Singerman are each charged with three counts of money laundering. The maximum punishment for each money laundering charge is 10 years in prison and a fine of $250,000 or twice the amount of the property involved in the money laundering transaction.
“Illegal dietary supplements pose a public health risk,” stated U.S. Attorney Fajardo Orshan. “The U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of Florida and our partners at the Food and Drug Administration strive to ensure that consumers are fully apprised of the ingredients contained in the substances they are ingesting. Those who attempt to circumvent the law and create a public safety hazard will be held accountable.”
This case is being prosecuted by Trial Attorneys Alistair Reader and David Frank of the Department of Justice’s Consumer Protection Branch, with assistance from Daren Grove, Assistant United States Attorney for the Southern District of Florida. The case was investigated by FDA’s Office of Criminal Investigations with assistance from Sarah Hawkins of the Office of Chief Counsel.An indictment merely alleges that crimes have been committed. All defendants are presumed innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
Additional information about the Consumer Protection Branch and its enforcement efforts may be found at www.justice.gov/civil/consumer-protection-branch. For more information about the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of Florida, visit its website at https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdfl.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/six-individuals-and-two-companies-charged-illegal-dietary-supplement-scheme
Hmmmm
Didnt tres taco combo have this conversation about how smart Singerman was?
I'll wait for Vince Goodrum to confirm and provide the real info.
LOL!
1. I do not buy redcon1 products
2. no idea they were selling juice pixie dusted into their pre workouts
3. when i said he was smart - not engineering smart or private equity "smart" but smart in the sense how he has redcon1 sales reps hawk his products on social media very similar how to herbal life got huge - he has his own customers MLM the product - am I sucker? no but i can see how the MLM supplement sales idea is a good way to grow your business... vs the traditional model of paying for retail space in GNC etc
didnt PJ mention he has been getting investigated for a long time over this? the feds kicked in his door etc?
Oh I wasnt calling you out bro, I defended what you said.
I was referencing back to myself when I said Singerman is a proven businessman unless he gets busted for selling steroids.
Oh I wasnt calling you out bro, I defended what you said.
I was referencing back to myself when I said Singerman is a proven businessman unless he gets busted for selling steroids.
gotca - get big is the land of call outs - the ultimate recess playground :)
i wonder if they were selling straight gear? like UG stuff
or if they were selling supplements with traces of gear added into the recipe?
LOL!
I was gonna say....tres' post is verified or "X2", and I agreed with all in the other thread, and now. marketing wise...singerman is amazing, but i guess druggies and thieves always be druggin and thieverin' :P Glad I read beyond to your post or us three would be posting against ourselves. :-\
It's crazy how the mind will almost always take people back to who they really are inside no matter how much money/success they have, or how much they overcome. Sometimes it's epic, but usually it's tragic and sad like this. STOOOPID!
I'd say I wish him well, but like I said in the other thread I hate how he has used the military to gain success. He's always revealed himself to be a piece of shit in every instance, and in every story about him the ending involves an instance of him using..........someone/something :-X
The last couple of big busts were real big news, like that dude who ran the hrt medical clinic in Miami,i'm sure this is more of a case of fraudulent advertising.
Theyre "just" being charged, they weren't arrested right?
Hmmmm
Didnt tres taco combo have this conversation about how smart Singerman was?
I'll wait for Vince Goodrum to confirm and provide the real info.
Which clinics, and when? Asking for a friend.....
Friend might have a little story to tell as well.....
It's long but this is a nasty indictment which includes money laundering. It also has a penalty section where Pj's and Aaron's homes are listed for potential forfeiture.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1143411/download
Hmmmm
Didnt tres taco combo have this conversation about how smart Singerman was?
I'll wait for Vince Goodrum to confirm and provide the real info.
No comment for obvious reasons.
What's scary are the kids watch Generation Iron do a whole fucking multi-part series with shit called "From Fat to riches...Pj braun", or "The Muscle Mogul PJ" and they think its totally real. They'll defend PJ as an enrepreneur like Arnold, biut now with MULTIPLE indictments. Its money laundering...its almost as old as steroids.
Same fucking shell game they are all running. No one is old enough to remember Dan Duchaine? Busted for steroids, shelters some profits in Mm2000 and supplement bullshit but sneaks some hard shit into Ultimate Orange then gets it banned? The line between selling steroids and "going legit" is a dance bodybuilders have been trying to do for decades. This is just another.
What's scary are the kids watch Generation Iron do a whole fucking multi-part series with shit called "From Fat to riches...Pj braun", or "The Muscle Mogul PJ" and they think its totally real. They'll defend PJ as an enrepreneur like Arnold, biut now with MULTIPLE indictments. Its money laundering...its almost as old as steroids.
Same fucking shell game they are all running. No one is old enough to remember Dan Duchaine? Busted for steroids, shelters some profits in Mm2000 and supplement bullshit but sneaks some hard shit into Ultimate Orange then gets it banned? The line between selling steroids and "going legit" is a dance bodybuilders have been trying to do for decades. This is just another.
It's long but this is a nasty indictment which includes money laundering. It also has a penalty section where Pj's and Aaron's homes are listed for potential forfeiture.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1143411/download
So cliff richard-notes.
Are PJ Braun and Singerman going to jail?
So cliff richard-notes.
Are PJ Braun and Singerman going to jail?
Prison. Read the whole thing. Its as bad as it comes and pretty accurate. Someone definitely snitched...especially having those emails
gotca - get big is the land of call outs - the ultimate recess playground :)Sounds like the latter.
i wonder if they were selling straight gear? like UG stuff
or if they were selling supplements with traces of gear added into the recipe?
Vince, since you were a former, distant associate of PJ and Singerman, is there any chance you might get caught up in all of this? ???
So these guys were trying to revive the supps era of the 90's by spiking that shit with aas?
Unregulated steroids and esoteric non FDA approved drugs under the guise of prohormones, then when that got too hot, they sold them as regular supplements usually by shuffling them around to certain trusted supplement dealers and shell companies. Pages 11 - 17 on the indictment is what's going to get them fucked. It shows sourcing, creation of shell companies to knowingly skirt the law, conspiracy to deal in steroids, etc.... all in their own words..
They should have been stock piling cash so when this happened and I’m sure they knew it would they could leave the country and live off the grid.
Vince, since you were a former, distant associate of PJ and Singerman, is there any chance you might get caught up in all of this? ???
After reading the PDF, yeah, these guys are fucked. They liked to show off the houses and cars, and all that Instatool shit, now they can show their prison cell pics with the phones smuggled in their ass-cracks.
Not looking good for these guys... :-\
The iron addicts gym in miami was the incident I was referencing:
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/crime/article134261519.html
But I know Lakeland, FL had a big bust prior to this.
Even so, that comparison has Duchaine rolling in the grave.
2. Where can I buy these supps?
Redcon1 will still be around...separate entity. This all has to do with Blackstone Labs activities.
Vince, would they not look further into Aaron's business affairs, like if Redcon was funded by illegal BSL money??
Or they dont care and just focus on this 1 case for now?
Pages 11 - 17 are :(. These guys aren't shaking this one off.
Redcon1 will still be around...separate entity. This all has to do with Blackstone Labs activities.
Unregulated steroids and esoteric non FDA approved drugs under the guise of prohormones, then when that got too hot, they sold them as regular supplements usually by shuffling them around to certain trusted supplement dealers and shell companies. Pages 11 - 17 on the indictment is what's going to get them fucked. It shows sourcing, creation of shell companies to knowingly skirt the law, conspiracy to deal in steroids, etc.... all in their own words..
Good one :D :D
Career bb's are some of the most high maintenence people around. Imagine the carbon footprint it takes to do it.
Few are hardened in the flames of self-sufficiency and living off the grid such as Vince G, LGBBQ.
If Con1 was capitalized with money earned through illegal activities, won’t the feds go after it? And also, won’t they go broke with legal fees? Paying lawyers to fight each other, now defending against the feds. Will we see go fund me for these guys?Speaking of this:
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They are looking for the top people although I'm surprised they got James. However, after me and Vissy got divorced, I did have intentions on moving down to Boca Raton where I would have likely have worked for Aaron in sales and customer service although I would have likely taken up a job at one of the many booming anti-aging clinics or pain management centers otherwise since I would have been paid more. Aaron was paying his customer service reps about 10 bucks an hour at the time which wasn't enough to live in an area like Boca and there was this pain clinic that was going to pay me 40k a year handling their distribution and buying. Its good to work for friends but 10 bucks an hour is chump change and some people have the notion that I'm cheap labor.
I decided against it altogether as I felt that I had more opportunities and more stability just moving back to Greenville, SC. Best decision I made.
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So you're saying this thing is worth taking the time to read?
Those pages are a quick read, and if you enjoy seeing how stupid people can be, it's fun. Open talk in company texts / emails talking about how illegal what they're doing is. Creating shell companies to distribute under their own names. Ads for non-approved drugs being placed in trade magazines. Impersonating an FDA official, etc.....
I'm not sure if you're making a joke about Dan being dead and saying juice related, or the fact that someone would compare the brilliance of Duchaine to these to dipshits?He was cleatry saying Pj is NO WHERE near the mind and brilliance of Duchaine. Ghb/bl was a bitch though, especially when they switched to GBL, which is just the paint stripper. It was sold at many health food stores and I got addicted BAD. Used to accidentally drop a drop on my computer keyboard and it melted it down to the wires.
If it's the first, he battled with a rare kidney disease IIRC his whole life. If anything exacerbated it it wasn't juice, it was likely all the home-brewed GHB which is made from paint thinner and photo development chemicals and/or fucking with DNP.
A supply chain position at a pain clinic? And it only paid 40K?
Sorry, but unless the clinic was actually "clinics" I'm not buying either of these fallacies. These centers typically use compounding pharmacies.....keeping meds......ESPECIALLY pain meds would have them under intense scrutiny, and they'd be shut down in 6-12 months likely. There is no need for a buyer. Just decide which compounding center you're going to use, have marketing work out the packaging/labeling, and the relationship details are worked out and over with.
I'll roll with the call center position being an option, as PJ and HAaroin have acknowledged knowing you and you do have C/S background.
It's long but this is a nasty indictment which includes money laundering. It also has a penalty section where Pj's and Aaron's homes are listed for potential forfeiture.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1143411/download
Its not as simple as you think. When you buy compounds, someone has to go through the paperwork and fill out the forms for regulation purposes but I would have also done sales and customer service as well. In any job, you have one designated position but you usually are doing everything else as well...lol. Its not important at this point as I never pursued those paths.
I'm staying Piedmont, SC.....lot safer out here
I think all the interesting stuff is gone from dealers it seems. But there seems to a thriving business on Ebay, only $90 - 100 per bottle on average. :).
This is an indictment so they will have arrest warrants issued against them and have to turn themselves in. The money laundering thing is going to be the biggest hit; the gov't doesn't like it when you keep their cut. And the asset forfeiture portion is going to bang them hard, as well.PRISON SON!
Robert Dimaggio posts here on occasion (IronMag) maybe he can shed some light.
Probably cant speak about it though. PJ and Aaron worked for Rob (IronMag Labs) took what they learned from him (all contacts, distributors, etc) and launched Blackstone Labs.
(Copied it almost to a "T").
Prison. Read the whole thing. Its as bad as it comes and pretty accurate. Someone definitely snitched...especially having those emails
Also, is this a RICO case?
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exactly, what about interstate laws like wire fraud? or FBI case if they are accused of money laundering?
If PJ offers to spill the beans on prostitution rings in IFBB etc and steroids in general, this could get interesting.
For example wasnt Aaron's sponsorship of Muscular Development the only way MD could afford to go to the Olympia?
I think that was hitec, but Singerman does have his claws in over at MD.
They just deleted this same 4 page thread on there started by Shawn Ray. Bob was there defending Singerman too.
the biggest tool in the industry. lol
That fat piece of shit bob chic?
Originally Posted by chick
"Just to clarify: This has NOTHING to do with Redcon1. This has everything to do with BSL. The reason the names are listed as they are, is that they were all a part of BSL at the time. Aaron has moved on for going on 3 years now."
what a tool.
Originally Posted by chick
"Just to clarify: This has NOTHING to do with Redcon1. This has everything to do with BSL. The reason the names are listed as they are, is that they were all a part of BSL at the time. Aaron has moved on for going on 3 years now."
Your thread on MD got taken down now too.
MD were advertising blackstone products so could be worried about possible ramifications
I think that was hitec, but Singerman does have his claws in over at MD.
They just deleted this same 4 page thread on there started by Shawn Ray. Bob was there defending Singerman too.
USPlabs (Jack3d and OxyElite Pro) got done too. Obviously not just a coincidence. They pleaded guilty, Blackstone will likely end up doing the same.Jon Doyle used to be a trainer at my gym, for a trainer he wasn’t a bad guy. Why do these guys get so greedy 🙄
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/five-individuals-and-two-companies-plead-guilty-felony-charges-multimillion-dollar-scheme
Five Individuals and Two Companies Plead Guilty to Felony Charges in Multimillion Dollar Scheme to Fraudulently Sell Popular Dietary Supplements
it's a good thing we are all innocent until proven guilty in this country. (last time I checked the us constitution)
Aaron pours a lot of his earnings back into the bodybuilding community through ads/support. No one in the industry who is benefitting wants bad things to happen to Aaron.
I suggest you keep an eye on AOC's tweeter for the new and improved Democratic Socialism Constitution update ;)
I skimmed the PDF, did I miss something?
PJ and Aaron were paid $6k a month.
There were 3 transfers listed for each of them totalling $450k or so to buy cars and houses.
So basically the business hardly made any money?
Or were other payments missed by me or the indictment?
There are people running Kwik-e Marts marking more than that
I think there are just things missed/not included in the indictment. Both of them were living very high off the hog when Blackstone was first starting. Multiple exotic car rentals, mini vacations. PJ would brag about custom made suits (He has pretty good taste in that department). Plus lots of women.
yeah, it went something like that. ;)
The snitches are likely 4 guys who are being called 'Unindicted Co-Conspirators'
I hope this does not tarnish the good name of Mr. Vince Goodrum, CSN, MFT, HPP, CEO.
Be careful, Vince.
It took 4 years for USPlabs to plead guilty after their indictment. Expect to see a lot more of PJ and Singerman before this is wrapped up.
Also this guy is facing 50 years. He won't last long in prison, at least not with his asshole intact
https://www.instagram.com/boca_james18/?hl=en
Rob, I read the PDF afterward, I see how it was setup now, anyways, I wish you luck, always liked your products and forums/websites.
Seems you got the least of the charges thankfully (for you).
Huh....what a let down of a read. After reading it, I'm really kinda baffled as to why 4 people rolled on them thinking they needed immunity. The total amounts of money PJ and Aaron are each accused of transferring illegally are less than $1M each, and the amount of pills just off memory was 60,000 and 30,000. So putting things in perspective that's 6,000 and 3,000 - 100 caps sized bottles.
I don't know shit about SARMs, but let's say the average dose is two per day and that there was never any repeat orders. That means only 3,000 and 1,500 people were customers....we know it was far less than that as there were surely repeat customers, but out of 300+ Million people in the states only 4,500 unique individual customers maximum.....and they did business overseas too.
There are large mid to big city pot dealers that have a greater customer reach than these guys. This is our tax dollars at work??? ::)
How do you convict someone of distribution of a controlled substance that is not in fact a controlled substance at the time of the "crime".......nor the time of the indictment? ???
Here's the Senate committee that will vote https://www.govtrack.us/congress/committees/SSJU If one is your state's senator, let them know how you feel about fucking with legal alternatives that keep kids from buying UG made bathtub brewed shit that they'll use needles without medical supervision to take. https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/115/s2742/details "Votes There have been no roll call votes related to this bill." ....yet.
Fucking pathetic. How about instead of worrying about 90,000 fucking NOT illegal capsules we have our law enforcement focused on 90,000 fucking ABSOLUTELY illegal immigrants? >:(
Has this been reported by RX Muscle yet ???
they always have the breaking news regarding the industry and its "characters"
WoooSHHHHHH STAY VINTAGE BITCHES
This is just a warm up for going after the peptide companies I believe. Hell, there are 3 of them operating less than a half hour drive from my house.
Post or pm of names for my friend to avoid please?
Originally Posted by chick
"Just to clarify: This has NOTHING to do with Redcon1. This has everything to do with BSL. The reason the names are listed as they are, is that they were all a part of BSL at the time. Aaron has moved on for going on 3 years now."
It took 4 years for USPlabs to plead guilty after their indictment. Expect to see a lot more of PJ and Singerman before this is wrapped up.
Also this guy is facing 50 years. He won't last long in prison, at least not with his asshole intact
https://www.instagram.com/boca_james18/?hl=en
Nobody wants to do time in prison when you never truly reaped the benefits of the activities. Not only that money laundering on top of a drug offense is serious shit. Nobody wants any of that
i was thinking the same thing - but dave is in FL and is buddies with them? so who knows
One supplies peps to almost 70% of all the other little companies and resellers, so not much hope avoiding things that way. But the products are quality even if that owner is not.
Obviously the chick can't read (or was to lazy to). Slingblade was receiving money from BS labs until Jan 2018.
Wasn't shocked to see the thread deleted. ::)
Would you say their quality of products is pure?
That was actually the thing that shocked me the most ....really at all. Totally at war with each other on the interweb, but still have access to the same funds. Was Redcon using the same 3 "different" manufacturers? Very interesting. Makes me wonder if the whole thing was a charade?
One of my old friends was a very large dealer in the US (he did his time like a man many years ago 8)), and another two large guys were his sworn enemies.......as far as all but 5-10 others knew anyway.
Changes the perceived overall supply, and the demand and the prices for each guy reflect it. Which source do you trust? Don't trust that guy! ;)
Could it be that PJ and Aaron have taken more lessons from the juice game than people are currently thinking they did?
Pj certainly has drug experience and it will work against him if sentenced. I was baffled when I saw that Jan 2018 date too. The whole sup industry is a "charade" from my perspective.
https://www.newstimes.com/local/article/Danbury-bodybuilder-charged-in-steroid-ring-1322044.php
The feds have a high conviction rate and you serve a minimum 85% of your sentence if convicted/sentenced. Something must have really pissed them off to go to all this work to indict these guys.
like living in a hangar
Pj certainly has drug experience and it will work against him if sentenced. I was baffled when I saw that Jan 2018 date too. The whole sup industry is a "charade" from my perspective.
https://www.newstimes.com/local/article/Danbury-bodybuilder-charged-in-steroid-ring-1322044.php
The feds have a high conviction rate and you serve a minimum 85% of your sentence if convicted/sentenced. Something must have really pissed them off to go to all this work to indict these guys.
mr white i dont know about you , but guys like this do not fair to well in prison :)
mr white what kind of advice will that blob piece of shit bob chick give pj
I feel ya....looks like a showroom....not a "home" But when you watch PJ like in that GI series he was on, you can see that "home" is not what he's looking for. He wanted a house that was a show piece, and now it's a evidence of show-piece ;) Did I do that right? :-\ LOL!
I read the link you posted WW. I was not aware of that, but on the plus side for PJ I didn't read that he was convicted and it was also back in 2011. Unless you know of the outcome, and it was not in his favor I don't think they can really use that against him can they?
Based in PJ activities I think he already took his advises. ;D
Not sure if it's admissible, however, you can bet the feds have researched everyone's past.
Maybe it was the wealth flaunting that set them off..who knows.
Thread ungayed....
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PR Newswire -
“The Alternative Is Death, The Death Of The Business,” Braun Said. “We Will Continue To Defend This Company And Fight The Federal Government Until My Money Runs Out. We’re Quite Confident, We’re Angry, But We’re Not Scared.”
Prosecutors Were Abusing Their Power, Bullying The Company To Force It To Surrender Its First Amendment Right To Distribute These Dietary Supplements.
First Amendment right to distribute these dietary supplements?
First Amendment right to distribute these dietary supplements?
PR Newswire -
Boca Raton, Fl., March 14, 2019 /Prnewswire/ — Blackstone Labs Responds To The Governments “Salacious Charges” Against It By Assuring Its Customers It Will Mount A Vigorous Defense Of The Products Previously Sold By Blackstone Years Ago. The Indictment Does Not Include Any Of Blackstone Labs Current Products With The Exception Of Euphoria-Rx, Which Was Reformulated Years Ago And No Longer Contains Picamilon.
It Is Blackstone’s Belief That The Government Is Overreaching In This Case And It Is No Clearer Than The Charges Brought Against The Dietary Ingredient Picamilon. Picamilon Is Made Up From The Dietary Ingredients Niacin And Gamma-Aminobutyric Acid. As Relevant Here, The Act Defines “Dietary Supplement” As A Product (Besides Tobacco) That Is “Intended To Supplement The Diet” And That Contains One Or More Of The Following “Dietary Ingredients”: (A) A Vitamin; (B) A Mineral; (C) An Herb Or Other Botanical; (D) An Amino Acid; (E) A Dietary Substance For Use By Man To Supplement The Diet By Increasing The Total Dietary Intake; Or (F) A Concentrate, Metabolite, Constituent, Extract, Or Combination Of Any Ingredient Described In Clause (A), (B), (C), (D), Or (E). Picamilon Is Clearly A Dietary Supplement And Not Illegal As It Is Made Up A Vitamin (Niacin) And An Amino Acid (Gamma-Aminobutyric Acid).
Blackstone Is Fighting Back. In December, Blackstone Sued The Federal Government For Return Of Seizure Of Lawful Dietary Supplements, Charging That Prosecutors Were Abusing Their Power, Bullying The Company To Force It To Surrender Its First Amendment Right To Distribute These Dietary Supplements. But Don’t Tell That To The U.S. Justice Department. Blackstone And Several Of Its Key Executives, Including Ceo PJ Braun, And Former Employees Declared This Week That They Are Prepared To Battle The Federal Government Over The Sale And Distribution Of Its Dietary Supplements.
“The Alternative Is Death, The Death Of The Business,” Braun Said. “We Will Continue To Defend This Company And Fight The Federal Government Until My Money Runs Out. We’re Quite Confident, We’re Angry, But We’re Not Scared.”
The Founding Fathers were very strict about nutrient timing.
Benjamin Franklin always made sure he took his Waxy Maize 30 minutes after a workout.
exactly, what about interstate laws like wire fraud? or FBI case if they are accused of money laundering?
If PJ offers to spill the beans on prostitution rings in IFBB etc and steroids in general, this could get interesting.
For example wasnt Aaron's sponsorship of Muscular Development the only way MD could afford to go to the Olympia?
The Founding Fathers were very strict about nutrient timing.
Benjamin Franklin always made sure he took his Waxy Maize 30 minutes after a workout.
The one positive about this is perhaps another installment of "muscle mogul" on GI's YouTube channel.
Built a huge house to replace a small old house. He must have a huge mortgage against it, any way to check? He also cant sell it at anywhere near this price.
PJ's house has a mortgage of 1.2 million. He also has a second mortgage of 400k, most likely to pay for a 400k tax lien owed to the IRS.😃
Slingerman's house has a mortgage of 1.7 million.
The mortgages are a moot point. The feds have placed a forfeiture notice on both properties. The houses are in limbo until the trial is finished.
In my opinion, both of these dipshits are broke as fuck, and living off of credit. :-\
PJ's house has a mortgage of 1.2 million. He also has a second mortgage of 400k, most likely to pay for a 400k tax lien owed to the IRS.
Slingerman's house has a mortgage of 1.7 million.
The mortgages are a moot point. The feds have placed a forfeiture notice on both properties. The houses are in limbo until the trial is finished.
In my opinion, both of these dipshits are broke as fuck, and living off of credit. :-\
I don't know if Id go this far ( yet ) but I firmly believe this is the end of Arrogant Singerman. I'd bet all the companies that Con1 buys ads with are removing any signs of association with them from their vids.
This is the end - for Mr. Look at me, my toys ( all bought with the proceeds of dirty money ) and the size of my hotel room in Dubai. PJ said it best that he'd fight with everything because without doing so the company is dead - he understands the seriousness of this.
J
Vitamin Shoppe will be taking Redcon off their site by the end of the day. I’ve spoken to Corporate, they are done!
Palumbo is a money whore. Looking forward to Aaron flipping on Dave.
And Not a word on RXMuscle yet
WooSHHHHHHHHH
Need pics of Celeste laughing.Celeste is an Alpha, she must have been drunk when she said yes to Beta Boy Braun. Hey pussy Boy Braun, wanna fight, I live an hour away. Let me know punk!
Vitamin Shoppe will be taking Redcon off their site by the end of the day. I’ve spoken to Corporate, they are done!
Deadz who did you speak with at corporate?Spoke to half dozen people at the Vitamin Shoppe since yesterday. They are on it.
I need to get in touch with some decision makers there.
Thanks
Palumbo is a money whore. Looking forward to Aaron flipping on Dave.
PJ's house has a mortgage of 1.2 million. He also has a second mortgage of 400k, most likely to pay for a 400k tax lien owed to the IRS.
Slingerman's house has a mortgage of 1.7 million.
The mortgages are a moot point. The feds have placed a forfeiture notice on both properties. The houses are in limbo until the trial is finished.
In my opinion, both of these dipshits are broke as fuck, and living off of credit. :-\
Spoke to half dozen people at the Vitamin Shoppe since yesterday. They are on it.
This is not accurate. Dave is a business man and will ( of course ) discuss the situation with Con1 and move forward with caution. I bet ( Dave ) will comment on this in a liberal manner as he has to because there is still the presumption of innocents. Dave is a stand up guy and will address this when the time is right.
My opinion,
J
Yeah I just spoke with Steven at my local VS, hes part time so he isn't much help.
Jago I thought it was well established Dave was anything but a stand up guy, I thought his rep was a hustler/con man ever since he was caught selling fake gh?
Is this not true and only an internet story or has Dave really changed his character?
jailEffeminate Braun is no stranger to taking it in the ass.
People do shit and fuck up ALL THE TIME. If I was judged on selective actions within my history, I'd be the biggest piece of shit in the world ( not just this board. ) Hustler??? if going out and making a living for yourself is hustling, yeah he'd be that. I believe him to be a man of character and will continue to do so until ( if ) he does something to prove otherwise.
J
jail
Im not calling you a liar bro. Im asking what dave has done to change his rep. I didn't know he was considered a stand up dude. Im not mad at him for making a living.
No one would be looked at favorably if we were all judged at our worst moments. I thought Dave has a documented history of being shady, but what do I know that's why I was asking.
This whole thread is about PJ and Aaron being scumbags (because allegedly everyone involved with the industry is) based on their history and everyone is posting about their history from years ago, not that the case being brought against them looks like the charges are overblown.
Vince, you're missing a big point I posted links to make it a point. SARMs were not, and are not currently a controlled substance. It has not been voted on....yet. The link of people to contact was even in my post to tell them that banning a legal pill alternative is stupid when we know people are going to get home brewed oils with no QC and inject it if that's their only choice.
What if bee pollen was up for a senate vote for the past year to be considered a C-III performance enhancing drug? I know that's as hysterical as thinking people would actually believe such garbage, but play along here. ;) Would you be guilty of drug dealing all these years Mr. Venom?
Do I believe they did some shady business shit, and likely laundered/hid/layered some money? 100% I do. The evidence is pretty substantial just in print before a case is even made against them.
However, in the grand scheme of things this is very small potatoes compared to the shenanigans that little puppet AOC and the Justice Democrats are clearly guilty of. Where should our allocation of LE be focused right now if you had to pick 3 of the 4 following things......AOC, Justice Democrats, Blackstone Labs, Illegal immigrants(<---remember this is in FL)? How about just 2? How about 1?
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His show is sponsored by Redcon often, and he and Aaron buried the hatchet and are ole pals again. I'd be shocked if he even airs a live segment with Romano and Priest with this going on out of fear they would say it, let alone actually does a segment on it that is damning in any way.
Only way he even brings it up is if the audience is demanding he addresses it....which I'm sure they already are. He will tip-toe around it to say he covered it.
If the FDA says that a product is illegal, you can dispute it but you also want to stop selling or making it. But SARMS are illegal, CBD oil is illegal, and prohormones are illegal. The FDA will go after anyone who flaunts or gives them the middle finger
That’s fair. My opinion is based on the observations I’ve made watching him handle the various crazy situations he has found himself in with Shawn Ray, that promoter who banned him . . . He looked at those situations and others from a liberal perspective and mover forward in a nonjudgmental manner.
We’ll see.
J
Spoke to half dozen people at the Vitamin Shoppe since yesterday. They are on it.
Depends on which state for CBD though
These are the two shadiest guys in the industry (and that is saying a lot) remember when they were scamming people with Prime Nutrition Intra-MD?????myt1, this is why.
Read the whole indictment, there is a lot going on here. They have emails and texts that prove a lot of things. The money laundering is bad news for them, not reporting adverse events to the FDA, this clown James impersonating an FDA employee, etc. It's very deep, this is not just one charge.
These guys are two of the most insecure people, they only care about money and the appearance of "success" meanwhile it's all built while cheating the system.
My follow up question was, "So you are telling me the products on your site right now are legal? The ones that cause HPTA shutdown and require PCT?"
He quickly closed the chat.
:-X
To be fair, this revelation was shared with me many years ago by one of our members. They knew all the details and called it a ticking time bomb. We have a lot of guys in the know here.
"1"
To be fair, this revelation was shared with me many years ago by one of our members. They knew all the details and called it a ticking time bomb. We have a lot of guys in the know here.
"1"
i assume you look like the sexy george michaels just cuz he is your avatar
When younger yes. Now, not so much.
I was never as good looking at George Michael in his prime. Similarities included a full head of hair, dark features and the nose. As you get older, your nose and ears continue to grow, so I morphed.
"1"
Flaunting your lavish lifestyle draws attention.
Flaunting your lavish lifestyle draws attention.
someone post the scene from goodfellas aftter the Lufthansa heist in the bar - he is pissed the guy bought his wife a fur and a caddy ;D
if you are up to no good, stay low key x 100
same with NFL players who are on the juice hitting front double biceps.... draw attention to yourself - you are asking for it.
"but start looking for another job";D
LMAO
I'm with myt1, Hypertrophy, JAGO, Dave D, Denarii and Powerlift66 regarding this.
myt1, this is why.
When younger yes. Now, not so much.
I was never as good looking at George Michael in his prime. Similarities included a full head of hair, dark features and the nose. As you get older, your nose and ears continue to grow, so I morphed.
"1"
Where exactly are the labs for Blackstone "Labs" located?
To be fair, this revelation was shared with me many years ago by one of our members. They knew all the details and called it a ticking time bomb. We have a lot of guys in the know here.
"1"
PJ's bath tub.
someone post the scene from goodfellas aftter the Lufthansa heist in the bar - he is pissed the guy bought his wife a fur and a caddy ;D
if you are up to no good, stay low key x 100
same with NFL players who are on the juice hitting front double biceps.... draw attention to yourself - you are asking for it.
We are forgetting that guys like PJ need attention, completely self absorbed, narcissistic personalities
Things like this happening to him and that jew are no surprise to anyone
Showing off houses, cars, I feel no sympathy for the disaster that is coming up for these low lives
Wait....I thought I remembered reading you were black???
Was I confusing you with Bay?
Who was the snitch?? Wasn't this the same group contributing to McCarver's death?
We never reveal our sources here on GetBig.
Besides, I know Aaron and I'm sure he will be fine.
"1"
I have every confidence that you are in the know, but no one comes out of a legal issue with the government "fine". At the very least they are broke and their reputation significantly damaged.
J
I have every confidence that you are in the know, but no one comes out of a legal issue with the government "fine". At the very least they are broke and their reputation significantly damaged.
J
I have every confidence that you are in the know, but no one comes out of a legal issue with the government "fine". At the very least they are broke and their reputation significantly damaged.
J
Vince McMahon had a steroid trial brought on by the federal government and now he owns the XFL.
Dr. George Zahorian took the fall for that. He was writing the scripts. PJ and Aaron are the ones indicted for distributing etc.
I think that their reputation will certainly take a hit (much like others who have gotten popped by the government), but they will still be able to make money.
I've seen guys in the industry come back from similar.
"1"
No. I am not black.
I am Israeli (mother) + Greek (father). Hence the idea of having some resemblance to George Michael (Georgios Kyriacos Panayiotou).
Today, I look more like this stud:
(http://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/am11.jpg?quality=65&strip=all&w=640)
"1"
PJ Braun details the comeback of Blackstone Labs and its future.
THE MUSCLE MOGUL – is a digital series starring PJ Braun, a bodybuilder and daring business entrepreneur. Fast cars, wild animals, powerful guns, and big business are all commonplace in PJ’s life. But after his company was raided by the FDA and a nasty divorce, PJ found himself at the end of his rope. This is the story of how he persevered and became one of the most exciting and luxurious bodybuilding business owners in the industry. New episodes air every Friday.
;D ;D
Dead 2 months later. Coincidence?
Dead 2 months later. Coincidence?
We never reveal our sources here on GetBig.
Besides, I know Aaron and I'm sure he will be fine.
"1"
If they can stay out of prison, they are going to pay some serious money. Hope they have some heavy hitter criminal attorneys. I know some of the best in the area.What the Attorneys don’t take the Federal Government will. They will be broke. Aaron will be back on smack and Peewee will be back to G4P.
What the Attorneys don’t take the Federal Government will. They will be broke. Aaron will be back on smack and Peewee will be back to G4P.
pretty sure it had more to do with being on 10 grams of test + other stuff like hgh and insulin.. than it had to do with taking some creatine, sugar and caffeine supplements.
Dead 2 months later. Coincidence?
Interesting take . . . PJ can do online training and make a good living for himself. Arrogant Singerman - he may not recover.
I wonder, will the Guerrilla Chemist be involved in this legal concert.
J
I was wondering that myself. Also, do you guys in the US allow service dogs in jail/prison..?
it's a good thing we are all innocent until proven guilty in this country. (last time I checked the us constitution)
if PJ makes it ,,, without prison time... he can rebound... new fancy labeling and marketing.... snake oil will still sell.... it's the nature of the beast...Are people here still trying to imitate GH15's posting style? ;D :-\
pretty sure it had more to do with being on 10 grams of test + other stuff like hgh and insulin.. than it had to do with taking some creatine, sugar and caffeine supplements.
What was in angel dust that was illegal?
PCP
:o
Supplements do not work. Unless you add illegal steroids to them. Which can be risky for unaware buyers
If I recall correctly, Gaspari nutrition had the same "problem" with illegal ingredients?
Spot on post.
J
What was in angel dust that was illegal?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1,3-Dimethylbutylamine .
FDA Letter - https://www.fda.gov/ICECI/EnforcementActions/WarningLetters/2015/ucm444383.htm .
Others the FDA found troublesome - https://www.fda.gov/food/dietarysupplements/productsingredients/ucm444719.htm .
Creatine works pretty well, actually.Perfectly safe? Use it then go get bloodwork done and let me know how your kidneys are doing.
Not going to make you an IFBB pro, but definitely provides a significant boost.
Perfectly safe? Use it then go get bloodwork done and let me know how your kidneys are doing.
X2.
If you're over 35, chances are the bloodwork will show that kidneys are going to be stressed out due to creatine daily intake .... this told by a sports doctor with 25 years of experience .
and he has seen teenagers too with weak kidneys", Although teenagers are tend to be abusive and careless
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHH
shouldnt creatine be used in cycles? 12 weeks on 12 weeks off?
also many bbers have high blood pressure which hurts kidneys, protein intake etc and hard training can increase kidney levels too
this is a product called "Kidney stuff" that help.
Yes, once you're off, kidneys levels should go back to normal. but the older you are the bigger the stress on kidneys ,and like you say, everything Bodybuilding related take a hit on kidneys , add creatine to the equation and you might irreversible damage.
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHH VINTAGE
what supplements do you buy that doesnt work? everything i buy do what i expect them to do.
Besides, I know Aaron and I'm sure he will be fine.
Could you explain why you feel this way? Those two are facing many serious criminal charges.
shouldnt creatine be used in cycles? 12 weeks on 12 weeks off?I tried Kidney stuff. I used 3 or 4 servings and gave the rest away. Made me feel bloated and slightly nauseous.
also many bbers have high blood pressure which hurts kidneys, protein intake etc and hard training can increase kidney levels too
this is a product called "Kidney stuff" that help.
my last blood work was solid (kidney items)
#s ------------------------------------------healthy range
Glucose, Serum 83 --------------------- - 65-99 mg/dL
BUN 17------------------- ------------------6-20 mg/dL
Creatinine, Serum 1.17 --------------------0.76-1.27 mg/dL 01
BUN/Creatinine Ratio 15-------------------- 9-20
super curious to get it again in about a month
make sure you fast 24 hours not, just 12 hours. fast 24 hours at least before bloods and stop training for 3 days prior too
Speaking of this:
Whatever happened to the go fund me money they raised for the foundation that was set up in Dallas's name?
This is a good point. The more one watches this the more parallels one sees with the Trump issues. You got PJ talking about this publicly trying to be a spin doctor ( just like Roger Stone ) and no matter who you are if you talk you'll fuck up and give the feds more ammo. Now this trust . . . at the time it appeared to be a decent benevolent gesture, however we now see how Trump used it to steal money and Aaron is anything but trust worthy.
I'd say without hesitation that the US government reads all of these boards looking for information, Id say that is a fact. GetBig is known, so no question in my mind some law enforcement official has read and will continue reading this thread. I'd say PJ would have told his lawyers to be aware of that trust ( because of the legal battle between the two ) and you can bet his lawyers have told or will tell the feds if they are not reading this.
J
Anyone who thinks these guys will get off easy doesn't really understand the charges or probably didn't read the whole indictment.
Besides these guys have a track record of doing this, don't forget when they scammed everyone with Intra-MD - it didn't have what it was supposed to have in it.
i dont think LE reads getbig. no way they would manage to read all shitty posts without quitting their job
They google just like everyone else. None of the public boards are safe, and any private little clubs get exposed sooner or later. I've seen indictments referencing Usenet posts 20+ years ago. If you annoy them enough, they'll find a way to hook you in.
PJ is dumb as a box of rocks talking about this publicly. He talks all big and bad that he is going to fight it but watch, he will cop a plea and he will probably try and throw Aaron and the other guys under the bus while doing it to save his ass. Aaron too, he will blame PJ and claim he has nothing to do with it since he has moved on. Both will make deals.
Who will be the first to roll over on the other? That will be the one who has a FEW bucks in their pocket when this is over.
J
This.
The fact that they had such a bitter falling out has each side ready to make a deal. who moves first?
PJ is dumb as a box of rocks talking about this publicly. He talks all big and bad that he is going to fight it but watch, he will cop a plea and he will probably try and throw Aaron and the other guys under the bus while doing it to save his ass. Aaron too, he will blame PJ and claim he has nothing to do with it since he has moved on. Both will make deals.
depends on who gets asked first
The charges are serious and detailed. Fraud, conspiracy, and distribution of controlled substances, money laundering, etc. The penalties are severe and include huge fines as well as up to 15 years in jail. If found to be distributing controlled substances then the fine will be $500,000 and may be doubled. If the people charged have no other sources of income then goodbye, savings, houses, cars, gifts, donations, etc. All proceeds from such crimes will be seized. I doubt there will be much money left to enjoy or use to pay lawyers.
Vitamin Shoppe has an official statement when you question them as to why they are still carrying products from a companies owner who has been criminally indicted. I told Vitamin Shoppe I would no longer do business with a company who supports criminally indicted individuals, everyone should do the same.
i told vitamin shoppe i would no longer do business with them (after i found out they had none of the banned stuff left)All GARBAGE! Test is safer and cheaper.
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FDA and most watching -.
I sorta like PJ
Yes, that is it. I couldn't stand watching it, he has his head so far up his ass he does not know he has a head or an ass. This indignant act . . . so high school. In the bit I watched I noticed he said not inflammatory about Aarogent Singerman. I suspect his lawyer told him to shut up.
J
Geez...doing my own 30 minute session of cardio sucks! I'll be damned if I'm going to watch some other dude's
What a contrast will be the before and after for both of them.
So far very few people feel sympathy within the industry for them.
Those who publicly say " they're innocent until proven guilty " have another opinion closed doors.
....... Palumbo included.
Palumbo is quick to make a video about anything in the industry and yet he hasn't released anything about this so far. Weren't his shows/videos sponsored by Singerman's Redcon1?
Palumbo is quick to make a video about anything in the industry and yet he hasn't released anything about this so far. Weren't his shows/videos sponsored by Singerman's Redcon1?
LE does read the boards.
It's pathetic how the social sites that cover industry "news" won't cover this as the $$$ speaks
Money talksThis!
This!
While Singerman is in heavy water right now, Dave madmax gets the last laugh, he’s living his dream (literally) following jay around, filming his channel, living in jays house, doing jays laundry, etc ;D
Do you think Dave sniffs Jays posing thongs?
Still peddling his crap
https://www.instagram.com/p/BvX6NCSAIK4/?hl=en
Unreal!
X2.
If you're over 35, chances are the bloodwork will show that kidneys are going to be stressed out due to creatine daily intake .... this told by a sports doctor with 25 years of experience .
and he has seen teenagers too with weak kidneys", Although teenagers are tend to be abusive and careless
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHH
shouldnt creatine be used in cycles? 12 weeks on 12 weeks off?
also many bbers have high blood pressure which hurts kidneys, protein intake etc and hard training can increase kidney levels too
this is a product called "Kidney stuff" that help.
And its for a low price of $69.99. :D :D
They just tweated DMAA to where its technically not on the prohibited list. Playing with some serious fire.
You would think PJ would lay low until all this is over with. ??? ??? ???
or his lawyer would handle or communications?
He likes nice things.....money overrules logic and common sense for people that are that materialistic. He'd cut off his own fingers if you put a stack of 1000 $100 bills in his bloody palm. :-\
Think he’s like the majority of idiots out there, it’s more for the attention than anything else. He’s a sociopath, materialistic, yes, but it’s all for the attention first and foremost
You would think PJ would lay low until all this is over with. ??? ??? ???
He can't, he is so insecure he has to show you how "successful" he is
A “ CEO” reports to a board of directors .. they def went overboard/ got caught up in themselves ( but I don’t wish any of them any harm , and hopefully they can move on from this!)
Yes, as usual Mike, you respond in a level headed manner, complete respect for you. I don't wish them any harm, but they need to be held accountable. Here in Canada and in some of your states weed is legal . . . I often think about the 10's of thousands of young black men got 20+ years for selling pot. I wonder if the "CEO's " were black how they'd be treated in this situation? I suspect harshly.
Respect,
J
Didn't Rashad do worse than this? What happened to him other than losing his gym? I haven't heard anything about him going to jail....,but then again I don't follow any of these guys on social or anything so ???
Innocent until proven guilty DIP SHITS!Scumbags are never innocent, DIP SHIT!
I recall one of the BSL videos he was in his house and he was blowing sunshine up the ass of the sank he divorced. They were pointing out their ( the banks ) house and indicating it was as beautiful as it was because it was decorated by the phony bitch and he said . . . " she could decorate for a living." Everything was "look at me" and they got looked at for sure. I also use to ROFL at PJ's wife ( I forget her name ) calling herself the CEO of a t-shirt company which I'd bet did less than a few hundred thousand dollars of business, oh yeah. She's a CEO, he's a CEO, Airhead Singerman - he's a CEO. The title of a CEO is given to an individual who reports to a board of directors and directs an organizations growth in a publicly traded company. Just A-HOLES.
Just a bunch of self absorbed con-artists / crooks.
J
PJ Braun and Aaron Singerman must be Republicans
I have no frame of reference. Any insight?
J
Innocent until proven guilty DIP SHITS!
Here's a question that popped up while reading this thread ( http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=505875.0 )Celeste is an Alpha. Peegay could not deliver.
The break up between PJ and this skank was bad - she cheated on him. Have you veer seen the video where she's talking about her 18 hour trip to Cali? She is recounting it like a hostage to the media as her captures (PJ) watches(d) for inconsistency's in her statements. This is the trip where she fucked ( sucked the dick of that wrestler she was chasing ) and went home and kissed PJ. After this Arrogant posted on his instagram a picture of her and him saying something to the effect of wait for our new project - just a way to burn PJ, fund her clothing business ( CEO helping another CEO.) Anyhow, she obviously hates PJ, so the Feds would have interviewed her and she could speak directly to his intent. Another nail in the coffin.
We'll know the feds are getting close when Arrogent starts wearing a yamaka.
J
Any updates?Celeste is still an Alpha. Peegay is on his way to the Federal Penitentiary.
I don't think he is going to see any jail time. Which unfortunately means he will come out broke at the end of the day. That's how the gov't usually "wins" their cases like this. Unlike the defendant, the gov't doesn't have a limited amount of money to spend on attorneys. Instead they just keep grinding along, filing motions, causing the opposing counsel to bill for hours, etc... running up the bill until the opposite side is broke and can't continue. Then they are forced to cope a plea deal that is never in their favor.
I mean in all seriousness, if someone had $3 Million to their name and was facing a case like this, I would encourage them to request 12 months in jail in order for it to be over and not dragging on to the point of bankruptcy.
PJ trying to polish his image with a Palumbo interview. Palumbo soft pedals through most of it, but there are some interesting parts. In no particular order -
1) PJ confident they'll win the case. Claims they did nothing wrong.
They did everything wrong despite being warned for years
2) Out at least $500,000 or so in legal fees so far for the divorce.
If PJ had not frozen Celeste's website and cut her off, it would have been a clean break
3) Claims Celeste was making 3-3.5 million a year with Celestial Bodies under his tutelage .
Celeste is a former WWE Women's Champion. That is royalty in the wrestling community. She would have made that money without his help
4) Claims the WWE fired her for being too fat, and she monkey branched on to PJ to save her career.
For someone who was fired, she would not have made appearances in the Mae Yong Classic for NXT and was on the RAW Reunion Show. I call bullshit on the firing especially considering that you cannot fire someone for being overweight unless it was a danger to her health or otherwise, there would have been a massive lawsuit. Also consider the fat fucks currently in the WWE like Nia Jax and its pretty clear that the statement was full of shit.
5) Claims the divorce hurt him, and that along with breaking up with Aaron drove him to drink. The drinking almost killed him, and he had to be committed to the hospital to sober up.
I wish the best for his recovery and he needs to handle his demons
6) Celeste got $250,000 or so in the divorce. She asked for $1 million originally, but the lawyer cost ate up a ton of money, and they settled on her getting $250k, and him getting the dogs (writer's note - good for PJ).
When you fuck up someone's business and affect the ability to make a living, its expected. PJ got off lucky as she could have gotten half of Blackstone Labs
7) Claims they thought she was mentally unstable, and he thinks that might be right, as she's tatted, strange, and bull dikey on her instagram now.
Her hairstyle, tats, and increased muscle is in line with the "Women's Revolution" in professional wrestling so its normal considering that she is back in professional wrestling. PJ's criticism has no weight whatsoever and its clear that she's moved on. The comment about a bull dyke is tasteless and uncalled for
8) Didn't get into it, but claimed Singerman was robbing him blind, and he wouldn't have known it, except for the accountant cluing him in.
What Accountant???.
Yes. Opt for a plea deal early on and hold on to what you can.
pics of Celeste?https://instagram.com/celestebonin?igshid=sgyd1isj8the (https://instagram.com/celestebonin?igshid=sgyd1isj8the)
he mentons tons of tattoos and shaved head?
Fixed
Watched this . . . I wonder if this was just another attempt at utilizing social media for his own ends. Knew how much the t-shirt company ( allegedly made - 3.1 million ) yet could not remember his own bail? And if you have such significant cash flow, why a bail bondsman? Never commented on his house going to the IRS as was disclosed here and if he remortgaged it to pay off his divorce why would the IRS take a house which had little if any value in it?
The interview raises more questions than gave answers . . . We will see.
J
https://instagram.com/celestebonin?igshid=sgyd1isj8the (https://instagram.com/celestebonin?igshid=sgyd1isj8the)
looks crazy!
Unfortunately, early on the plea deal they offer is usually a terrible one. It's only towards the end when they realize there is no more blood to get out of the stone that they wrangle out a better one. I would have just pled guilty to a lesser charge and got a small stint in the pen in order to save money. 12 months in jail and keep (most of) my money, or burn through all my savings just to end up broke and on probation? Easy answer. I do not know PJs past or what else he has done, but if he has been trouble free, then I don't think he is going to jail. Unless he has had a felony in the last ten years.
Just to give you an example here, my gf's father had an employee that embezzled over $460,000.00 from two of his businesses between 2015 and 2017. Over $300,000 of that money went to casinos due to his gambling habit. He was arrested and charged with Grand Larceny in Second Degree. The evidence is solid and he has confessed. He goes to trial for sentencing in March 2020. He will only get a 5-10 probation time because he has not been in trouble before. He's done this before with other businesses, just got away with it. He will have to pay restitution and fines, but he is currently on disability checks every month so they won't be seeing anything from him in that regards. Unlike PJ who can argue his "crime" was victimless as his customers chose to order from him, this guy's action really did have victims in terms of one business closing and the employees losing their jobs and my gf's dad overall suffering from it. But he won't get any jail time. So I don't think PJ will either.
Yes he was convicted (took a plea deal) to dealing AAS back 2010-2011.
The money questions are interesting. Totaling up the money he says Blackstone made, you get around $30 million. But at the same time, the $750,000 he had wrapped up in the divorce essentially tapped him out.
Sure are . . . Why would someone voluntarily use social media and deliver inaccurate and questionable information? Got to wonder what the specific motive is? An opportunity to be liberal and cordial in a public forum when referring to Arrogant Sleezerman in the event his past defamation of his partner is brought to the table in their law suit?
J
Did that result in him having a felony conviction or did he invoke his first offender right and after completing his sentencing requirements, was exonerated from the charges or had a pre trial diversion? Because that would keep him from having a felony on his record. Otherwise if he has a felony record, he is a bit more fucked.
Edit - On number 8, it was the (silent?) partner Joe, who showed PJ Aaron's alleged embezzlement. My mistake, PJ mentioned accountants a little before that, and it was still in my mind.
The money questions are interesting. Totaling up the money he says Blackstone made, you get around $30 million. But at the same time, the $750,000 he had wrapped up in the divorce essentially tapped him out.
The divorce didn't help but honestly PJ's party lifestyle actually drained his fortune along with other unusual things he was doing like going to a doctor for vitamin infusions by drip. He was living way too high on the hog and he made the mistake of thinking the Blackstone train would ride along forever....definitely not doing the business it was in its hey day.
PJ's accountant was also Aaron's accountant at the time. Both of them were making expensive purchases so it hard for PJ to accuse Aaron of misusing funds when he had the exact same issue according to the indictment. He took out 43k for a down payment for his house, then another 112k for a Mercedes, and finally 328k to complete the sale of that house of his. That's why he was also indicted for money laundering...an easy charge to beat but its still there
Now you're an accountant and a lawyer too? LMFAO
Talk for now but after your boss gets found guilty, IronFagLabs will be boarded up and you'll be flipping burgers and scrubbing toilets at the Waffle House
I am not sure of those details, I do know he ratted his two friends out in order to get probation, and he was represented by Rick Collins.
having firearms around and/or rec drugs.
Then he most likely will not have a felony record (unless it is for other shit). If his record is clean (mostly) he won't see any jail time. As I stated, it is easy to prove this is a victimless crime in part because customers willingly purchased the products and no one basically died.
In all honesty, I have not read the indictment, but unless there are other charges associated with it that they can prove - money laundering, wire transfer fraud, income tax evasion, etc.. (which are the usual ones that you always see attached to these kind of busts and charges), PJ would have been better off just going ahead and pleading guilty right away and trying to keep most of his money. I haven't seen anyone mention it, but it appears he avoided the most common fuck up charges that dealers and labs get hit with - having firearms around and/or rec drugs.
Now you're an accountant and a lawyer too? LMFAO
You're obviously familiar with Vince Goodrum's prepaid legal service. I got in before the collapse of Caliber Fitness and Im willing to bet other people wish they would have as well.
There is a lot more to the case then what you know and can read from the indictment.
I stated I did not read the indictment.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1143411/download
I was thinking about this . . . What type of backwards inbred, hick state is Florida? Married to a bitch for 18 months and she get 1/2 a million? If some girl cheated on me the only thing she’d get is her picture on a milk carton.Too cucked to write a prenup. Not suprising.
J
Are 'prenups' common today?
Yes, I have seen the link to it, but just have not read it. Basically, I have no interest in it enough to go read it. I was basing my prior reply on real life examples of other people I have seen go through the system.
Okay well without reading the indictment and knowing the facts I see no way that you could make any intelligent assessment of the case.
Which is why I do not believe PJ will see jail time, but he will come out of this completely broke.
Well I say you're dead wrong, but time will tell.
About going to jail or coming out broke?
Well he is already broke so...lol
Brutal
How do you plead DiMaggio?
'guilty m'lord'
https://bocanewsnow.com/2019/12/11/guilty-plea-in-blackstone-lab-case-delray-boca-men-implicated/
So the Feds have a cooperating conspirator...
These guys are 100% headed to jail-I think this is the midgets second drug related offense ,which is a huge no-no.
I speak from experience when I say that judges DO NOT LIKE second time offenders . Because it is a federal case, they will be sentenced using the framework of the Federal Sentencing Guidelines, which takes into account not only the dollar amount of the fraud, but also the number of victims.
This will not end well for Braun, being a second time offender
Singerman, unless identified as a controlling person, will most likely get less time as a first time offender.
The Feds do not bring cases that they can't win. Part of the prosecutors job is to exercise discretion how their resources are spent, so it motivates then to being slam dunk cases.
The only silver lining is that if the midget gets less than 120 months, he will be able to go to a minimum security facility.
Bit ironic that they say the consumer was being defrauded when they were getting more than they bargained for.
Interesting commisary list at FCI Coleman (low)...
Scented oils
Apricot scrub
Tuna is pretty cheap too ;D
https://www.bop.gov/locations/institutions/col/COX_CommList.pdf (https://www.bop.gov/locations/institutions/col/COX_CommList.pdf)
How do you plead DiMaggio?
'guilty m'lord'
https://bocanewsnow.com/2019/12/11/guilty-plea-in-blackstone-lab-case-delray-boca-men-implicated/
So the Feds have a cooperating conspirator...
Wonder if Singermoron is selling his house as well?
Wonder if Singermoron is selling his house as well?He's got it for rent now. He's not living in it anymore.
Why wouldn't they snitch this isn't the mafia its a supplement company selling enhanced products
If Phillip markets a Penile-Growth supplement, dont buy it.
He's proof it will not help you...
"Just got back from doing legs, gonna show this tiny thing right here". ::)
They both have prior felonies, hope they get max time!:D
^^^ Bump for NaturalWonder83's apologies peoplethank you
Come on - man up
I told you people
I tried to warn all of you
Everyone thought I was nuts
I want apologies
In all of my years, I've NEVER accidentally bought any steroids, disguised as legal OTC supplements.
Am I just unlucky?
;D
I think I read somewhere that the midget has a drug charge from CT...
Federal judges do not take kindly to that, even if it was a state charge.
There is a 100% chance said midget goes to jail...however, his sentence will be less than 10 years, and is non violent, so he will spend approx 3-5 years in a minimum security "camp"...
That estimate turned out to be quite accurate
And I don't know anything about the level of prisons in the US, but in the UK we have 'softer' places for people like crooked stockbrokers and aristocrats - does anyone have any insight into what type of facility these guys might be heading..?
There are 4-5 prison grades in America, depending on how you look at it -
High Security (I'll include Super Maxes in here), those are for things like high level gang members, terrorists, etc....
Medium - Serious, but not quite reaching the above level.
Low - These can have all sorts of criminals in them, from child molesters, to white collar criminals, to murders, but they are largely non-violent, besides their original crimes, so they aren't seen as a threat.
Low Security Prison Camp - These are the lowest, your white collar fraudsters, tax cheats, etc.... try to wind up here. They are the country clubs of prison, they get good privileges, better jobs, etc..... The camps/dorms are separate from the real prison usually.
PJ and Aaron will be low or prison camp status. PJ asked to go to Alabama, probably either here or here -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Prison_Camp,_Montgomery .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Correctional_Institution,_Talladega .
Aaron will probably wind up here - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Correctional_Institution,_Miami .
Or the gov could just put them in whatever low security prison or camp they have handy. You can ask as a prisoner, but they might not give.
who will be out first ?
WhhoooooHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH