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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Bam-bam on October 20, 2011, 06:22:10 PM
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My whole delt training today was at the hammer machine, best stuff for shoulders ever, did like 10 hard sets on that stuff, felt pump like crazy!! And to think I used to not give a damn about that machine, lol
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ok
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oh
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btw arms are cold biachzes ;D
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I start out with those, i find that not only do they help isolate the delts, they allow your shoulders to really warm up well before moving on to free weight presses, whichever kind you prefer.
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We have two different hammer strength machines for shoulders (and most of the other muscles too) - some are the iso plate loaded ones, and some iso with individual weight stacks per side!
Enjoy both of them thoroughly!
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I'm sorry to have to say this, but men use barbells to lift weights. Carry on ladys.
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delts of broken needle injection machine must be bigger
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All i see is a semi-bloofy arm and a guy who probably doesnt have to many real life friends
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All i see is a semi-bloofy arm and a guy who probably doesnt have to many real life friends
nah he got best arms on getbig.com,, this is pro potential when it come to arms...if rest of body was like that then hed go far
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nah he got best arms on getbig.com,, this is pro potential when it come to arms...if rest of body was like that then hed go far
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Im adjusting my training and the other body parts are starting to catch up, people are starting to comment a lot on my other muscle groups, still a long way to go but I think Im improving.
What do you think of the delts, dont you think they are closing the gap with the arms?
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they are,, the problem with picture is...it never give the all picture lol ,, pictures are illusions,, thats the problem with pictures,, but! you look thick and the muscle is there yes
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We have two different hammer strength machines for shoulders (and most of the other muscles too) - some are the iso plate loaded ones, and some iso with individual weight stacks per side!
Enjoy both of them thoroughly!
I think my gym has something similar to that second machine you mentioned, its exactly how you described it but its from the life fitness brand (dont know if its the same shit as hammer strenght?)
I start out with those, i find that not only do they help isolate the delts, they allow your shoulders to really warm up well before moving on to free weight presses, whichever kind you prefer.
I like free weigh presses too but with dumbells specially you just cant use too much weight because its very hard to execute the motion properly thats why I feel I get better pumps with the machines, I can load them with some heavy poundages and still isolate the delts pretty good. I used to be a big fan of smith military presses but now the machines are #1 for me.
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they are,, the problem with picture is...it never give the all picture lol ,, pictures are illusions,, thats the problem with pictures,, but! you look thick and the muscle is there yes
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you are correct, I took some other shots at the same moment and some look like its even a different person lol. hopefully when I start with the tren and the anadrols I will be able to post full body shots and look massive too
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My whole delt training today was at the hammer machine, best stuff for shoulders ever, did like 10 hard sets on that stuff, felt pump like crazy!! And to think I used to not give a damn about that machine, lol
Lookin good bro, Ima kinda new here so height, weight and arm size?
Btw after gh15 bible i've been meaning to hit my shoulders on smith machine.
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For the love of God, work your traps
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ok dude we know you're big. we found that out the first hundred threads about random training info used as an excuse to post a pic.
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For the love of God, work your traps
my traps are coming along
(and yes I only have adidas pants)
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ok dude we know you're big. we found that out the first hundred threads about random training info used as an excuse to post a pic.
thank you
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thank you
Hater's gonna hate lol! Looking jacked as usual. Always favored the hammer strength for shoulders myself. I usually alternate it with db presses every other week. Def more effective than straight bar and safer if you're an advanced trainer. Purenaturalstrength put 4 plates to a side on the hammer press and we will see how easy you think they are, lady
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Hater's gonna hate lol! Looking jacked as usual. Always favored the hammer strength for shoulders myself. I usually alternate it with db presses every other week. Def more effective than straight bar and safer if you're an advanced trainer. Purenaturalstrength put 4 plates to a side on the hammer press and we will see how easy you think they are, lady
lol, nirvana is cool peeps
I agree and I used to be a big fan of the straight bar!
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I feel my hammer delt machine more in the upper pecs.
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What is nice about the hammer strengths is that it allows u to load on the heavy weight but not lose the isolation on the muscle. With free weights, on muscles like medial delts, you really have to foucs on the squeeze and this sacrifices heavy weight
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total stud :P
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Hammer strenght is life fitness. same company.
Does anyone on here train with precor equipment like in golds venice? Or on the copied technogym line?
I find that the movement/flow and range of motion on the precor HS is inadequate and prone to injuries.
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nah he got best arms on getbig.com,, this is pro potential when it come to arms...if rest of body was like that then hed go far
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I would def give him that only if they were more separated, defined and full while same size.
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I like doing them one arm at a time, great doing drop sets like this
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What is nice about the hammer strengths is that it allows u to load on the heavy weight but not lose the isolation on the muscle. With free weights, on muscles like medial delts, you really have to foucs on the squeeze and this sacrifices heavy weight
So basically, machines make it easier, and pump your ego better as well?
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All i see is a semi-bloofy arm and a guy who probably doesnt have to many real life friends
Epic self projection. :D
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so many jealous replies
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so many jealous replies
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I prefer C+P, standing presses and DB presses.
Saying that if we had a machine like that in my gym I would use it at the end for a pump.
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My whole delt training today was at the hammer machine, best stuff for shoulders ever, did like 10 hard sets on that stuff, felt pump like crazy!! And to think I used to not give a damn about that machine, lol
Stop training like a pussy and listening to gh crap, be a real man and grab some free weight, Do dumbbell lateral raises superset with dumbell press if you are man enough.
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Stop training like a pussy and listening to gh crap, be a real man and grab some free weight, Do dumbbell lateral raises superset with dumbell press if you are man enough.
why?
you think its the exercise(s) that causes growth or that free weight is better than machine?
fuck off back to bb.com with this bullshit.
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Certain exercises build more strength.
I know lots don't care about being strong and would prefer to be big but i would much rather be 5% smaller but 5% stronger than vice versa.
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why?
you think its the exercise(s) that causes growth or that free weight is better than machine?
fuck off back to bb.com with this bullshit.
Since I am the trainer and you are not I will teach you, free weights requires balance and they work the joint stabilizer muscles because machines dont do this over a period of time you risk shoulder injury plus because free weights work your core muscle you will get stronger faster than training with a machine.
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Since I am the trainer and you are not I will teach you, free weights requires balance and they work the joint stabilizer muscles because machines dont do this over a period of time you risk shoulder injury plus because free weights work your core muscle you will get stronger faster than training with a machine.
i dont knwo if your name shoudl be the trainer my friend lol ,, dotn know about that lol
the biggest among us use big time mcahines esecially hammers to build our physiqes ,, especialy hammers lol
if it was up to sotrength as i said over and over in the past,, i would have been 10 time mr o by now ,, it has nothing to do with strength
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looking good, good shape.
my traps are coming along
(and yes I only have adidas pants)
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why?
you think its the exercise(s) that causes growth or that free weight is better than machine?
fuck off back to bb.com with this bullshit.
Certain exercises def suit each person differently depending on your structure though, wouldnt you agree? I am not built for bench (6'2" long arms) it puts alot of pressure on my front delts and just doesnt feel right. I do all incline and upper is harder to build anyway. Now I could push the issue with bench and yes, my chest would grow but not optimally like when I just incline. I could never understand guys who juice from day 1 in the gym, how do they know what works for THEM? Obviously on gear you're gonna gain no matter what so where is the trial and error? I trained clean for the first 6years and knew my body inside and out before I finally went on. What kind of training do you favor? I have the potential for a build similar to you and you know your shit, no doubt
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yes free weights help the stabilizers group but then it also means you are not giving 100% to the main muscle group. With machines everything goes to the isolated body part you are focusing in. Both cases are usefull thats why I do both. Its like trying to argue whats more important to a car the steering or the wheels, both parts play a role obsiously,
That being said, the craziest pumps always come from machines, in any kind of muscle group, always machines, with very few exceptions.
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What are your lifts Bam-Bam?
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What are your lifts Bam-Bam?
nothing to write home about right now, three plates for bench presses and squats, and on the smith military presses too, around 10 reps all, been training more volume now. I think in one year I will be doing close to 4 plates each side if you consider the fact that I've been trainig for 1.5 year only after a 10 year lay off (worked out from 15-18 then started again at 28 last year) and will get more serious with the gear,
My arm workout weights are still crazy tho.
I watched a video of you doing some reps with like 350lbs very easily on the bench press I think, very strong, cant even try it right now.
And oh btw I have a national title in powerlifting in the brazilian teen category, been thinking about sending pics of the trophy and certificate to ron to get me updated to competitor status on the board ;D
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Thanks.
i was genuinely just interested.
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btw about the machines vs free weights stuff, once when I was working biceps with the barbell one gym instructor measured my arms at 49.7cm and then I switched to the same exercise but using the cross over machine this time (adjusting it for arm training) and then after 20 minutes max the instructor measured my arm again and the reading was 52 cm! That means 1.5 inch gain almost instantly, for pumps machines are no 1.
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joint stabilizer muscles
what would those be, and why would they cease to function even though the joint is moving?
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i dont knwo if your name shoudl be the trainer my friend lol ,, dotn know about that lol
the biggest among us use big time mcahines esecially hammers to build our physiqes ,, especialy hammers lol
if it was up to sotrength as i said over and over in the past,, i would have been 10 time mr o by now ,, it has nothing to do with strength
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Ruhl was/is a big proponent of incline Smith Machine for chest.
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Ruhl was/is a big proponent of incline Smith Machine for chest.
Old gym had the seated HS incline press.....loved it. Not a big fan of the flat press though.
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btw about the machines vs free weights stuff, once when I was working biceps with the barbell one gym instructor measured my arms at 49.7cm and then I switched to the same exercise but using the cross over machine this time (adjusting it for arm training) and then after 20 minutes max the instructor measured my arm again and the reading was 52 cm! That means 1.5 inch gain almost instantly, for pumps machines are no 1.
bull
shit
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I loved that machine when I worked out in a gym that had one. I never did much machine sets before the HS machines and this one was my favorite. I'm also envious of ur arms bam bam :-\
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bam bam
looks to have
shrunk his arms
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The plate loaded Hammer Strength make it easier for you to use more weight, on the DY Hammer Iso Row, many guys use 4-5 45lbs plates on each side for easy 10 reps, but not many guys do barbell rows with 405-495lbs. You muscles do not know difference from machine to free weight to cables, but it does indentify with the load (weights) and more weights you use put more stress on the muscle which will increase size (if supps and food is on point)
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Either you have the genetics or you don't. Hammers are good for isolation more than other machines but....it comes down to genetics. You could achive the same results with overhead BB or DB presses (and get one hell of a lot thicker)
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all i can say is this ,,
if you are a bodybuild who can do 5 plates each side of the hammer 45s 5 plates each side for sets of 8-10....your delts are HUGE ,, period i dont care who you are ,, if you do 4 or 5 plates each side of the hammer for reps of 8-10 on a regular basis ....your delts are huge ,, they are one of your best bodyparts and ofcourse you are hormonized
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all i can say is this ,,
if you are a bodybuild who can do 5 plates each side of the hammer 45s 5 plates each side for sets of 8-10....your delts are HUGE ,, period i dont care who you are ,, if you do 4 or 5 plates each side of the hammer for reps of 8-10 on a regular basis ....your delts are huge ,, they are one of your best bodyparts and ofcourse you are hormonized
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I was doing them as a natural and my delts were mediocre
I'm still doing them NOW hormonized and they look great! ;D ;D
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yes ,, with delts is the hormones that make the diff,, but! i always talk abotu hormonized bodybuild this is taken for granted ,, what i meant is the weight on the hammer ...if you do 4-5 plates each side for good sets you are one strong mother fucker and have very big delts and very strong thick shoulders,,if you do it when you are 190lb or 200lb 5'10 ...6%....then you are not only strong and huge delts but also look like a million bucks but this is competetive bodybuild we talk about
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nothing to write home about right now, three plates for bench presses and squats, and on the smith military presses too, around 10 reps all, been training more volume now. I think in one year I will be doing close to 4 plates each side if you consider the fact that I've been trainig for 1.5 year only after a 10 year lay off (worked out from 15-18 then started again at 28 last year) and will get more serious with the gear,
My arm workout weights are still crazy tho.
I watched a video of you doing some reps with like 350lbs very easily on the bench press I think, very strong, cant even try it right now.
And oh btw I have a national title in powerlifting in the brazilian teen category, been thinking about sending pics of the trophy and certificate to ron to get me updated to competitor status on the board ;D
man that s weak
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man that s weak
your mom, my balls
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Whats you daily eating schedule man?
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i dont knwo if your name shoudl be the trainer my friend lol ,, dotn know about that lol
the biggest among us use big time mcahines esecially hammers to build our physiqes ,, especialy hammers lol
if it was up to sotrength as i said over and over in the past,, i would have been 10 time mr o by now ,, it has nothing to do with strength
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A bodybuilder with great genes can look great with using any king of equipment but when it comes to the top5 in the world you need all the edge you can get, maybe that is why you never made it to the top of bodybuilding.
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And for all you lazy pussies here who love to train on machines, go watch a video of ronnie training and understand what it takes to be the best.
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And for all you lazy pussies here who love to train on machines, go watch a video of ronnie training and understand what it takes to be the best.
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what about Platz monster legs
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The trainer is 100% correct.
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Whats you daily eating schedule man?
breakfest: bread and honey, 30g of whey, 6 egg whites, blueberries, banana, coffe
morning sneak: 20g of whey with yogurt
Lunch: saladad, lots of meat, some carbs
around 4 pm (when possible): 10-20g of whey
Pre workout: cereals with yogurt, banana, 15g of whey, 2 egg whites, coffee with milk
middle/end workout: 30g of whey, dry milk and some bs hipercaloric powder
end workout: meat
back home: bread with honey, 6 egg whites, 15-30g of whey with yogurt
sometimes I eat less carbs depending on how Im feeling. During weekdendes I dont train and I eat a lot less carbs, specially on sunday.
what about you man?
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breakfest: bread and honey, 30g of whey, 6 egg whites, blueberries, banana, coffe
morning lunch: 20g of whey with yogurt
Lunch: saladad, lots of meat, some carbs
around 4 pm (when possible): 10-20g of whey
Pre workout: cereals with yogurt, banana, 15g of whey, 2 egg whites, coffee with milk
middle/end workout: 30g of whey, dry milk and some bs hipercaloric powder
end workout: meat
back home: bread with honey, 6 egg whites, 15-30g of whey with yogurt
sometimes I eat less carbs depending on how Im feeling. During weekdendes I dont train and I eat a lot less carbs, specially on sunday.
what about you man?
Breakfast is always 10 eggwhites, oats 100grms and 2-3 yolks/olive oil
then 2 more meals chicken and rice 200grms and 100 grms precooked weight for both..
and last meal I try to have no carbs but I always eat somthing "dirty", as long as I take some form of protein....eggwhites, chicken..
this is what i do lately..
And yes me too...on off days I try to eat less carbs...sometimes I fail to do so and I eat like shit....mostly out of boredom. ;D
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Also I have to say its good to see people who workout seriously eat all kinds of food...weird combinations like you bam bam, looking great man. :)
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what about Platz monster legs
Funny, I don't recall seeing Tom Platz (in person ) ever training on a smith machine. get off the machines and SQUAT.
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Funny, I don't recall seeing Tom Platz (in person ) ever training on a smith machine. get off the machines and SQUAT.
Could you share some Tom Platz workouts in generall you have witnessed?
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A bodybuilder with great genes can look great with using any king of equipment but when it comes to the top5 in the world you need all the edge you can get, maybe that is why you never made it to the top of bodybuilding.
thats the problelm ,, i have,, thats how i discovered that being strong mean nothing in bodybuild,, most of bodybuild at my level were weak !! WEAK! only a small number of us were truly strong,, small number!
strength mean nothing in bodybuild ,, it only mean that you wil get admiration look in gymnasium from youngsters,, thast where it ends,, it also add to ego and make you able to wear all kind of superhero hats whiel training and nto look redicoulous lol
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Funny, I don't recall seeing Tom Platz (in person ) ever training on a smith machine. get off the machines and SQUAT.
ya keep squatting come back to me when you fuck up your knees and back and eventually injure yourself
fucking retard it's RESISTANCE that builds the muscle you can get the same results actually better results since you're isolating by doing hack squat / leg press
freeweights are NOT a must... at the beginning fine but after u don't need them and you can work your way around it, it will prolong your bodybuilding and avoid injury
once you're injured you're FUCKED. very hard to come back, very few do if any
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thats the problelm ,, i have,, thats how i discovered that being strong mean nothing in bodybuild,, most of bodybuild at my level were weak !! WEAK! only a small number of us were truly strong,, small number!
strength mean nothing in bodybuild ,, it only mean that you wil get admiration look in gymnasium from youngsters,, thast where it ends,, it also add to ego and make you able to wear all kind of superhero hats whiel training and nto look redicoulous lol
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I second this
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ya keep squatting come back to me when you fuck up your knees and back and eventually injure yourself
fucking retard it's RESISTANCE that builds the muscle you can get the same results actually better results since you're isolating by doing hack squat / leg press
freeweights are NOT a must... at the beginning fine but after u don't need them and you can work your way around it, it will prolong your bodybuilding and avoid injury
once you're injured you're FUCKED. very hard to come back, very few do if any
Been squatting for 35 + years and no back or knee problems except meniscus at 42. maybe you just don't know how train or squat.
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A bodybuilder with great genes can look great with using any king of equipment but when it comes to the top5 in the world you need all the edge you can get, maybe that is why you never made it to the top of bodybuilding.
yeah, and everyone that enters a gym wants to be top 5 in the world.
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do yourself a favour and stop posting. you're becoming more and more stupid by the minute.
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Been squatting for 35 + years and no back or knee problems except meniscus at 42. maybe you just don't know how train or squat.
congratulations you want an award ?
you do NOT need to squat to have big legs
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congratulations you want an award ?
you do NOT need to squat to have big legs
Nope...but don't make such blanket statements.
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Nope...but don't make such blanket statements.
lol ok "coach master of training"
haha
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i dont knwo if your name shoudl be the trainer my friend lol ,, dotn know about that lol
the biggest among us use big time mcahines esecially hammers to build our physiqes ,, especialy hammers lol
if it was up to sotrength as i said over and over in the past,, i would have been 10 time mr o by now ,, it has nothing to do with strength
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truth.
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And for all you lazy pussies here who love to train on machines, go watch a video of ronnie training and understand what it takes to be the best.
I hear what you're saying, but you can't compare people to Ronnie cuz he was just that much more of a freak. He'd still be 8 time O if all he ever did was machine stuff I bet.
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i dont knwo if your name shoudl be the trainer my friend lol ,, dotn know about that lol
the biggest among us use big time mcahines esecially hammers to build our physiqes ,, especialy hammers lol
if it was up to sotrength as i said over and over in the past,, i would have been 10 time mr o by now ,, it has nothing to do with strength
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He's right for the most part. I know it's bodybuilding and isolation is the goal but before machines (the ones of today) were invented bodybuilders were bigger, thicker and much stronger. When you do a barbell or dumbbell bench, when you do a squat (not with smith) etc, you have to recruit other muscle fibers to assist in that lift. Take away the drugs of today and you have smaller and weaker bodybuilder. You can't train mostly on machines and expect to be "huge".
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He's right for the most part. I know it's bodybuilding and isolation is the goal but before machines (the ones of today) were invented bodybuilders were bigger, thicker and much stronger. When you do a barbell or dumbbell bench, when you do a squat (not with smith) etc, you have to recruit other muscle fibers to assist in that lift. Take away the drugs of today and you have smaller and weaker bodybuilder. You can't train mostly on machines and expect to be "huge".
They were stronger because they had years of foundation, they didn't hop on all the drugs and blow up too quick like nowadays. They did their groundwork.
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They were stronger because they had years of foundation, they didn't hop on all the drugs and blow up too quick like nowadays. They did their groundwork.
Good point....that too.
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I would def give him that only if they were more separated, defined and full while same size.
a close up for you, with better lighting and 100% cold
its funny like 2 months ago I didnt have any horizontal veins crossing my biceps, now they are everywhere even when Im not pumped. the BF on my arms must be a couple of % lower than in the rest of my body easily. And Im thinking about checking BP as well because lots of people suddenly started commented on my veins maybe something aint right lol
and oh as you can see zero SEO on those puppies
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a close up for you, with better lighting and 100% cold
its funny like 2 months ago I didnt have any horizontal veins crossing my biceps, now they are everywhere even when Im not pumped. the BF on my arms must be a couple of % lower than in the rest of my body easily. And Im thinking about checking BP as well because lots of people suddenly started commented on my veins maybe something aint right lol
and oh as you can see zero SEO on those puppies
no you just have good arms lol ,, its the skin that is thin there,, everyone has their genetic strength in your case it is arms,,
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congratulations you want an award ?
you do NOT need to squat to have big legs
who has built
their massive
tree trunk thighs
without squatting
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if anything this shows that you are a retard because your shoulders look like shit
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Hows the training bambam? 8)
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if anything this shows that you are a retard because your shoulders look like shit, hope this helps
fixed
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Hows the training bambam? 8)
hey man, working lats and calves today, what about you?
(and btw, had sex during lunch time today (30 min ago), the girl was a slut Im feeling kinda of dirty now, having thoughts of how sweet it would be if I was in love with someone and how the sex would be more meaningful, I think Im turning into a pussy)