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Gotta make the problem huge, man. There can't be an end to be seen, ever. It must become a permanent burden for the common person, everywhere.

New world, baby.

If it was previously unclear whether Obama is a player in this, it isn't now.

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is he a member of isis?  or supporting them?


He has been their biggest friend by far in allowing them to expand and grow in Iraq, squabbling w those fighting ISIS, not giving weapons to the Kurds and Pershmega, making endless excuses for them, slow walking all attempts to deal w them and arm those who want to fight them, etc.

Same w Boko Harum, Al Queada, etc.   

The results speak for itself. 

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Whole thing is a scam, meant to spiral out of control.

Hell yes, actions speak louder than words.

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He has been their biggest friend by far

The US President has been the biggest friend to ISIS?  That's what you're saying?

dropping bombs on them - just part of the cover?

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The US President has been the biggest friend to ISIS?  That's what you're saying?

dropping bombs on them - just part of the cover?

Possibly the most effective enemy-maker on earth, right there.

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We've got all the power in the world to investigate and identify who is who, and act accordingly.

...but if it was done with legitimate intent, it would cause an effective end to the problem.

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Jindal Mocks Obama on Crusades: We’ve Got ‘Medieval Christian Threat’ Under Control



President Obama yesterday obliquely addressed the controversy over his administration not referring to terrorist groups like ISIS as being “radical Muslims.” The president said that plenty of horrible things have been done in the name of Christianity, like the Inquisition and the Crusades.

Obama’s gotten some mockery from the right for referencing events from hundreds of years ago, and today Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal joined the fray. In a statement today, he says the president really isn’t addressing the pressing issue of terrorism and instead giving people a history lesson.

And then came the mocking:

“We will be happy to keep an eye out for runaway Christians, but it would be nice if he would face the reality of the situation today. The Medieval Christian threat is under control Mr. President. Please deal with the Radical Islamic threat today.”
White House deputy press secretary Eric Schultz said today Obama was talking about being “honest with ourselves” when we fall short of our values.

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On Tuesday the Islamic State released a 22-minute video showing Flight Lieutenant Muath al-Kasasbeh of the Royal Jordanian Air Force being doused in petrol and burned to death. It is an horrific way to die, and Flt Lt al-Kasasbeh showed uncommon bravery, standing stiff and dignified as the flames consumed him. And then he toppled, and the ISIS cameras rolled on, until what was left was charred and shapeless and unrecognizable as human.

King Abdullah's response to this barbaric act was to execute two ISIS prisoners the following morning, including the evil woman who was part of the cell that blew up the lobby of my favorite hotel in Amman, the Grand Hyatt.

President Obama's response was to go to the National Prayer Breakfast and condescendingly advise us - as if it's some dazzlingly original observation rather than the lamest faculty-lounge relativist bromide - to "remember that during the Crusades and the Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ".

Gee, thanks. If you're watching on ISIS premium cable, I'm sure that's a great consolation when they're reaching for the scimitar and readying you for your close-up. Oh, and, even by the standards of his usual rote cookie-cutter shoulder-to-shoulder shtick that follows every ISIS beheading of western captives, the President could barely conceal his boredom at having to discuss the immolation of Flt Lt al-Kasasbeh:

Aaand it, I think, will redouble [pause] the vigilance aaand determination on the part of our global coalition to, uh, make sure that they are degraded and ultimately defeated. Ummmm. [Adopting a whimsical look] It also just indicates the degree to which whatever ideology they're operating off of, it's bankrupt. [Suppressing a smirk, pivoting to a much more important subject.] We're here to talk about how to make people healthier and make their lives better.

The lack of passion - the bloodlessness - of Obama's reaction to atrocity is always striking. He can't even be bothered pretending that he means it.

I am not a great fan of the Hashemites, and there is great peril for Jordan in getting sucked deeper into a spiral that could quickly consume one of the weakest polities in the region and turn the least-worst Sunni monarchy into merely the latest Obama-era failed-state - after Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen, etc. The UAE took advantage of Flt Lt al-Kasasbeh's capture to cease participation in sorties entirely, and, given the general halfheartedness of Obama's "coalition", King Abdullah could have been forgiven for also deciding to head for the exit.

Yet he understood the necessity of action. Obama, by contrast, declares action, and then does nothing. His war against ISIS was supposed to be one in which the US would not put "boots on the ground", but instead leave that to our allies. The allies have the boots, but they could use some weapons, too. Obama has failed to supply the Kurds or anybody else with what they need to defeat our enemies. It's becoming what they call a pattern of behavior. Elliott Abrams draws attention to this passage in a New York Times story about Ukraine:

The Russians have sent modern T-80 tanks, whose armor cannot be penetrated by Ukraine's aging and largely inoperative antitank weapons, along with Grad rockets and other heavy weapons. Russian forces have also used electronic jamming equipment to interfere with the Ukrainians' communications….

Ukraine has requested arms and equipment, including ammunition, sniper rifles, mortars, grenade launchers, antitank missiles, armored personnel carriers, mobile field hospitals, counterbattery radars and reconnaissance drones.

Hmm. So how much of that shopping list have we responded to? Obama won't write Ukraine a blank check, but he will write them a blanket check:

The $16.4 million in aid that Mr. Kerry will announce in Kiev is intended to help people trapped by the fighting in Donetsk and Luhansk. The aid will be used to buy basic items like blankets and clothing, along with counseling for traumatized civilians.

Could be worse. He might have thrown in another James Taylor singalong. Then they really would need trauma counselors.

With at least another two years of civilizational retreat to go, we're gonna need a lot more security blankets, which is good news for whichever Chinese factory makes them.

~As Kyle Smith points out, the video of Flt Lt al-Kasasbeh's death is an extremely sophisticated and professional production. US news media have declined to run it, because it's too disturbing, as opposed to, say, Brian Williams' ripping yarns of derring-do about being shot out of the sky by an RPG. There are really two parallel media structures now: Consumers of Brian Williams-delivered "news" aren't even aware of the metastasizing of evil. Meanwhile, out there on Twitter and Facebook it's the hottest recruiting tool on the planet. You'll recall Hannah Arendt's tired and misleading coinage "the banality of evil", derived from her observation of Adolf Eichmann at his trial in Jerusalem. As I wrote last August:

Hitler felt obliged to be somewhat coy about just how final the final solution was. As Eichmann testified at his trial, when typing up the minutes of the Wannsee conference, "How shall I put it? Certain over-plain talk and jargon expressions had to be rendered into office language by me." Even the Nazis were reluctant to spell it out.

The Germans didn't have social media, but they had newsreels, and Hitler knew enough not to make genocide available to Pathé or "The March of Time". He had considerations both domestic and foreign. Pre-Wannsee, in Poland and elsewhere, German troops had been ordered to shoot Jewish prisoners in cold blood, and their commanders reported back to Berlin that too many soldiers had found it sickening and demoralizing. So the purpose of "the final solution" was to make mass murder painless, at least for the perpetrators - more bureaucratic, removed, bloodless.

As for foreign considerations, Germany expected to be treated as a civilized power by its enemies, and that would not have been possible had they been boasting about genocide.

Seventy years on, the Islamic State has slipped free of even these minimal constraints. They advertize their barbarism to the world, because what's the downside? Let's say the guys who burned Flt Lt al-Kasasbeh are one day captured by Americans. They can look forward to a decade or two of a soft, pampering sojourn in the US justice system, represented by an A-list dream-team that'll string things along until the administration figures it'll cut its losses and ship them to Qatar in exchange for some worthless deserter.

As for the upside, "the banality of evil" may have its appeal for lower-middle-class Teuton bureaucrats, but the glamor of evil is a far more potent and universal brand. The Islamic State has come up with the ultimate social-media campaign: evil goes viral! At some level German conscripts needed to believe they were honorable soldiers in an honorable cause, no different from the British or Americans. But ISIS volunteers are signing up explicitly for the war crimes. The Islamic State burned Flt Lt al-Kasasbeh alive not only to kill him but to inspire the thousands of ISIS fanbois around the globe, like Moussa Coulibaly, the guy who stabbed three French policemen outside a Jewish school in Nice this week.

For many of its beneficiaries, modern western life is bland, undemanding and vaguely unsatisfying. Some seek a greater cause, and turn to climate change or LGBTQWERTY rights. But others want something with a little more red meat to it. Jihad is primal in a way that the stodgy multiculti relativist mush peddled by Obama isn't. And what the Islamic State is offering is Jihad 2.0, cranking up the blood-lust and rape and sex slavery and head-chopping and depravity in ways that make Osama-era al-Qaeda look like a bunch of pantywaists.

Success breeds success. The success of evil breeds darker evil. And the glamorization of evil breeds ever more of those "recent Muslim converts" and "lone wolves" and "self-radicalized extremists" in the news. That's a Big Idea - a bigger idea, indeed, than Communism or Nazism. Islam, as we know, means "submission". But Xtreme-Sports Hyper-Islam, blood-soaked and baying, is also wonderfully liberating, offering the chance for dull-witted, repressed young men to slip free of even the most basic societal restraints. And, when the charms of the open road in Headchoppistan wear thin, your British and Canadian and Australian and European welfare checks will still be waiting for you on the doormat back home.

By contrast, civilization is a fragile and unnatural state of affairs. Droning on about the Crusades and Jim Crow, Obama offers the foreign policy of Oscar Wilde's cynic: He knows the price of everything and the value of nothing. And so, as the world burns, he, uh, redoubles his, uh, vigilance, uh uh uh... Whatever. That and $16.4 million will buy you coffee and some trauma counseling in Kiev.

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The Foolish, Historically Illiterate, Incredible Response to Obama's Prayer Breakfast Speech
Using religion to brutalize other people is not a Muslim invention, nor is it foreign to the American experience.
TA-NEHISI COATESFEB 6 2015, 1:00 PM ET

People who wonder why the president does not talk more about race would do well to examine the recent blow-up over his speech at the National Prayer Breakfast. Inveighing against the barbarism of ISIS, the president pointed out that it would be foolish to blame Islam, at large, for its atrocities. To make this point he noted that using religion to brutalize other people is neither a Muslim invention nor, in America, a foreign one:

Lest we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that during the Crusades and the Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ. In our home country, slavery and Jim Crow all too often was justified in the name of Christ.
The "all too often" could just as well be "almost always." There were a fair number of pretexts given for slavery and Jim Crow, but Christianity provided the moral justification. On the cusp of plunging his country into a war that would cost some 750,000 lives, Confederate Vice President Alexander Stephens paused to offer some explanation. His justification was not secular. The Confederacy was to be:

[T]he first government ever instituted upon the principles in strict conformity to nature, and the ordination of Providence, in furnishing the materials of human society ... With us, all of the white race, however high or low, rich or poor, are equal in the eye of the law. Not so with the negro. Subordination is his place. He, by nature, or by the curse against Canaan, is fitted for that condition which he occupies in our system. The architect, in the construction of buildings, lays the foundation with the proper material-the granite; then comes the brick or the marble. The substratum of our society is made of the material fitted by nature for it, and by experience we know that it is best, not only for the superior, but for the inferior race, that it should be so.

It is, indeed, in conformity with the ordinance of the Creator. It is not for us to inquire into the wisdom of His ordinances, or to question them. For His own purposes, He has made one race to differ from another, as He has made "one star to differ from another star in glory." The great objects of humanity are best attained when there is conformity to His laws and decrees, in the formation of governments as well as in all things else. Our confederacy is founded upon principles in strict conformity with these laws.
Stephens went on to argue that the "Christianization of the barbarous tribes of Africa" could only be accomplished through enslavement. And enslavement was not made possible through Robert's Rules of Order, but through a 250-year reign of mass torture, industrialized murder, and normalized rape—tactics which ISIS would find familiar. Its moral justification was not "because I said so," it was "Providence," "the curse against Canaan," "the Creator," "and Christianization." In just five years, 750,000 Americans died because of this peculiar mission of "Christianization." Many more died before, and many more died after. In his "Segregation Now" speech, George Wallace invokes God 27 times and calls the federal government opposing him "a system that is the very opposite of Christ."

Now, Christianity did not "cause" slavery, anymore than Christianity "caused" the civil-rights movement. The interest in power is almost always accompanied by the need to sanctify that power. That is what the Muslims terrorists in ISIS are seeking to do today, and that is what Christian enslavers and Christian terrorists did for the lion's share of American history.

That this relatively mild, and correct, point cannot be made without the comments being dubbed, "the most offensive I’ve ever heard a president make in my lifetime,” by a former Virginia governor gives you some sense of the limited tolerance for any honest conversation around racism in our politics. And it gives you something much more. My colleague Jim Fallows recently wrote about the need to, at once, infantilize and deify our military. Perhaps related to that is the need to infantilize and deify our history. Pointing out that Americans have done, on their own soil, in the name of their own God, something similar to what ISIS is doing now does not make ISIS any less barbaric, or any more correct. That is unless you view the entire discussion as a kind of religious one-upmanship, in which the goal is to prove that Christianity is "the awesomest."

Obama seemed to be going for something more—faith leavened by “some doubt.” If you are truly appalled by the brutality of ISIS, then a wise and essential step is understanding the lure of brutality, and recalling how easily your own society can be, and how often it has been, pulled over the brink.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/02/the-foolish-historically-illiterate-incredible-response-to-obamas-prayer-breakfast-speech/385246/

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It's all good. We got Puff Daddy on it. It'll all be sorted out in no time.


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Hey just burned 3 more problem alive

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What a weak article by straw.   Pathetic pap filled w straw man arguments and conjecture

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What a weak article by straw.   Pathetic pap filled w straw man arguments and conjecture

Here's the guy who wrote it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ta-Nehisi_Coates

Wiki states his dad was a Black Panther. The author himself is a "feminist" :D ::)

More than likely just some confused 'brew with some serious self hate issues.

Coates grew up in Baltimore, Maryland. His father, William Paul Coates, was a Vietnam War veteran and former Black Panther. His mother, Cheryl, was the breadwinner in the family and his father was a stay-at-home dad who ran Black Classic Press, a small publishing house specializing in African American studies[3] during Ta-Nehisi's childhood.[4] Ta-Nehisi's father had seven children.[5] Coates says that Ta-Nehisi is an Egyptian name for ancient Nubia.[6]

Coates had an interest in books at an early age and his mother punished bad behavior by making him write essays.[7] Coates attended a number of Baltimore-area schools, including Baltimore Polytechnic Institute, before graduating from Woodlawn High School.[8] After high school, he enrolled in Howard University but dropped out to become a journalist.[9][10] He currently resides in Harlem with his wife and son.[11] He is an atheist and feminist



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What a weak article by straw.   Pathetic pap filled w straw man arguments and conjecture

you either didn't read it or have no clue what a straw man argument even is

let's  assume you did read it and cite some specific examples to support your claim

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Here's the guy who wrote it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ta-Nehisi_Coates

Wiki states the dad was a Black Panther. The author himself is a "feminist" :D ::)

More than likely just some confused 'brew with some serious self hate issues.

Coates grew up in Baltimore, Maryland. His father, William Paul Coates, was a Vietnam War veteran and former Black Panther. His mother, Cheryl, was the breadwinner in the family and his father was a stay-at-home dad who ran Black Classic Press, a small publishing house specializing in African American studies[3] during Ta-Nehisi's childhood.[4] Ta-Nehisi's father had seven children.[5] Coates says that Ta-Nehisi is an Egyptian name for ancient Nubia.[6]

Coates had an interest in books at an early age and his mother punished bad behavior by making him write essays.[7] Coates attended a number of Baltimore-area schools, including Baltimore Polytechnic Institute, before graduating from Woodlawn High School.[8] After high school, he enrolled in Howard University but dropped out to become a journalist.[9][10] He currently resides in Harlem with his wife and son.[11] He is an atheist and feminist




attack the messenger much

your issue is that he calls himself a feminist (among other things)?

I guess it would more masculine if he spent his entire waking life on this board talking about his gay sex fantasies involving Obama

I don't necessarily agree with the premise that he (and Obama) are making about not blaming Islam for these nutbags.  Islam (just like almost all religions are filled with intolerance and violence and I see no reason to pretend otherwise) We are all aware of Islamic nutbags but then we have violent nutbags in every religion we have a deep history in this country of using religions to justify violence.

Here's the thing.  I and many others can see this distinction and that doesn't stop us from wanting to annihilate ISIS and other muslim extremist on the planet.

Adults can actually see both of those things

Children or people with child like minds cannot

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Yesterday, President Obama gave a speech at the National Prayer Breakfast where he lectured Americans on criticizing the Islamic State. He doesn’t want Americans to wag their fingers at ISIS for executing, crucifying, and setting people on fire, because of what Christianity did over a thousand years ago during the Inquisition.

“Humanity has been grappling with these questions throughout human history. And lest we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that during the Crusades and the Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ,” President Obama said.

Glenn did not like these comments one bit, but couldn’t blame him. After all, the President’s upbringing and own experience at church are very different than the average American.

“Mr. President, I’m tired of being lectured on who we are. You don’t know who we are. You listen to Jeramiah Wright for years and years and years and he certainly is not a preacher of love and peace and contentment. I’m tired of being lectured and told who we are. I know exactly who we are. You are the one out of touch with the mainstream of America. You have no idea who we really are. You have this weird, warped, distorted, almost ‘Grimms Fairy Tales’ of who Americans are. And it comes quite honestly from your mother, from the dreams of your father, from Frank Marshall Davis and all those that you were surrounded by growing up. It’s not your fault. I don’t know how you could have a different point of view, having the lifestyle and the friends that you have had. Your entire life.”

“You grew up offshore, then you moved to Hawaii.  You were surrounded by radicals and communists your whole life.  I understand.  Then you — go to Jeramiah Wright’s church and you spend 10 years there being indoctrinated there and being reinforced on what an evil country we are.  I get it.  I know who you are.  Please, Mr. President, stop telling me who I am, because you have no idea.  You’ve never spent any time with people like us.”

Glenn also took issue with the way the President excused the behavior by shifting blame to other religions.

“Mr. President, I don’t know if you’ve noticed, we’ve had a reformation since then,” Glenn said. “If you’re trying to equate this and say, ‘hey, other people did this’, are you just saying we should just let it burn itself out and we shouldn’t judge?  Or would you have been one of the people during the reformation standing up and saying, lead the charge against this terror?  Would you have been a Martin Luther?  Would you have had the balls to put up on the church doors a manifesto saying you must change?  Or would you have said, ‘hey, hey, hey, hey, that has nothing to do with Christianity.  Hey, hey, hey, hey, don’t — don’t — now, let’s listen to them.  Where did they come from?  Where did the Grand Inquisitor come from?  What is his childhood like?  What is he actually saying?  How have we offended the Grand iInquisitor?  Have we done something to make them want us, to torture us, to put us on a rack, to tear our fingernails out?  What have we done?  We should self-examine.'”

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http://www.westernjournalism.com/bishop-jackson-obama-frankly-sir-try-closing-mouth/#988H5JT06FgAcQoH.97



Obama is a pos

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Obama-praises-Dalai-Lama-condemns-Islamic-State-at-prayer-breakfastBill Donohue comments on remarks made today by President Obama at the National Prayer Breakfast:
In an attempt to deflect guilt from Muslim madmen, President Obama said, “Unless we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that during the Crusades and the Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ.” Obama’s ignorance is astounding and his comparison is pernicious.
The Crusades were a defensive Christian reaction against Muslim madmen of the Middle Ages. Here is how Princeton scholar and Islamic expert Bernard Lewis puts it: “At the present time, the Crusades are often depicted as an early expansionist imperialism—a prefigurement of the modern European countries. To people of the time, both Muslim and Christian, they were no such thing.” So what were they? “The Crusade was a delayed response to the jihad, the holy war for Islam, and its purpose was to recover by war what had been lost by war—to free the holy places of Christendom and open them once again, without impediment, to Christian pilgrimage.”
Regarding the other fable, the Inquisition, the Catholic Church had almost nothing to do with it. The Church saw heretics as lost sheep who needed to be brought back into the fold. By contrast, secular authorities saw heresy as treason; anyone who questioned royal authority, or who challenged the idea that kingship was God-given, was guilty of a capital offense. It was they—not the Church—who burned the heretics. Indeed, secular authorities blasted the Church for its weak role in the Inquisition.
According to St. Louis University and Crusade scholar Thomas Madden, “All the Crusades met the criteria of just wars.” How many ISIS atrocities, Mr. President, have met the criteria of just wars? The ones where they buried people alive, stoned children, raped women, and crucified men? Moreover, according to Henry Kamen, the leading authority on the Inquisition, a total of 1,394 people were killed during the Inquisition. Today, Muslim madmen kill more than that in a few months.
The President should apologize for his insulting comparison.


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Had to leave for a while so I missed things on here. Are the libs on here still defending obama and ISIS? Lol

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His first mistake was saying religion is a force for good, it's not, it's evil to the core. Human's controlling other humans with promises of afterlife and glory.


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Had to leave for a while so I missed things on here. Are the libs on here still defending obama and ISIS? Lol

nope, but you're still as dumb as ever

that's one thing that never changes

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His first mistake was saying religion is a force for good, it's not, it's evil to the core. Human's controlling other humans with promises of afterlife and glory.



Such a retard. This why I have a hard time believing you're anykind of "Dr."

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Obama is a Devout Christian.   Lmfao!

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attack the messenger much

your issue is that he calls himself a feminist (among other things)?

I guess it would more masculine if he spent his entire waking life on this board talking about his gay sex fantasies involving Obama

I don't necessarily agree with the premise that he (and Obama) are making about not blaming Islam for these nutbags.  Islam (just like almost all religions are filled with intolerance and violence and I see no reason to pretend otherwise) We are all aware of Islamic nutbags but then we have violent nutbags in every religion we have a deep history in this country of using religions to justify violence.

Here's the thing.  I and many others can see this distinction and that doesn't stop us from wanting to annihilate ISIS and other muslim extremist on the planet.

Adults can actually see both of those things

Children or people with child like minds cannot


Kudos to you for citing such a brilliant source. An atheist feminist baboon who dropped out of Howard University after one semester? Wow. Hard to argue with those credentials. Keep fighting the good fight jackass.  ::)