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He came to this forum claiming no bias, I quote "I in fact am an Agnostic, and by definition cannot therefore be of the right." Yet he seems to have landed hardcore rightwing on issue after issue after issue... Wuzup boyeeeee?!?!
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He came to this forum claiming no bias, I quote "I in fact am an Agnostic, and by definition cannot therefore be of the right." Yet he seems to have landed hardcore rightwing on issue after issue after issue... Wuzup boyeeeee?!?!
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Ask yourself this question, guys, is this really behaviour you would deem appropriate from a Moderator of this board? Is posting inaccurate personal attacks part of his role here?
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Ask yourself this question, guys, is this really behaviour you would deem appropriate from a Moderator of this board? Is posting inaccurate personal attacks part of his role here?
Run Forest run... run from a valid observation.... ;D In this forum, anyone can call out anyone... If you don't like it, go cry to Ron like I'm sure you've already done. You came here claiming no bias yet you want a blog to call out liberal fallacies on a regular basis...and you post positions routinly from the far right.... busted... hey, don't come down on me because you lied about yourself and I'm calling you out on it... Hardly worth asking for a referendum to demod me... oh brother....
You're done telling me how to mod here...
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Run Forest run... run from a valid observation.... ;D In this forum, anyone can call out anyone... If you don't like it, go cry to Ron like I'm sure you've already done. You came here claiming no bias yet you want a blog to call out liberal fallacies on a regular basis...and you post positions routinly from the far right.... busted... hey, don't come down on me because you lied about yourself and I'm calling you out on it... Hardly worth asking for a referendum to demod me... oh brother....
You're done telling me how to mod here...
You're getting a little hysterical over this, aren't you? Calm down for a moment and let me deal with what you've said:
Define 'Right-Wing' for me, and then prove to the board, using my posts, that I am such. Otherwise you can apologise for trying to mislead people here.
I call out liberal fallacies because they are just that. As a conservative, I am opposed to some (although not all) liberal/Left-Wing ideologies. If I am wrong to do this, then go ahead and prove so, using facts and debate - rather than insults and accusations.
Why, I wonder, have you not started a thread attacking 240 for saying he votes Republican, yet spending most of his time here criticising them (just so you know, Rob, I'm not endorsing him to do this). Does this have anything to do with you having a heart felt ideological correlation with anything said that is disparaging to the Bush Administration? Why is it I get under your skin so? Is it because I expose your silly Leftist attitude to many of the issues here?
As for reporting anything you (or anyone else, for that matter) has said to Ron, you're more than welcome to ask him so and find out the truth on that. After which you will, no doubt, apologise for your inaccuracy.
Try and get some fresh air, and let this roll down the proverbial back. You argue much better when you aren't so worked up.
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You're getting a little hysterical over this, aren't you?
My name is Berserker, I'm always Berserking ;D I'm not appologizing for anything, you obviously fall pretty far right on a lot of issues... Global warming, Energy and the very fact that your new proclaimed approach is to point out liberal fallacies.... Yello??? LOL...
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oh boy, don't call out Bruce... Everyone else can call people out, even Bruce calling out Ribo, but ol Bruce is off limits ::)
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My name is Berserker, I'm always Berserking ;D I'm not appologizing for anything, you obviously fall pretty far right on a lot of issues... Global warming, Energy and the very fact that your new proclaimed approach is to point out liberal fallacies.... Yello??? LOL...
Actually, you alluded to my exposing of liberal fallacies, I just agreed with it.
You need to do a little research on what it is to be 'conservative', and what it is to be 'Right-Wing'. Let me know when you find the difference. Do I have a conservative approach to the above issues? Absolutely, I do.
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oh boy, don't call out Bruce... Everyone else can call people out, even Bruce calling out Ribo, but ol Bruce is off limits ::)
You addressing the similarity between someone (i.e. myself) posting a new thread to point out that someone had tried to deceive this board (supported by facts and quotes) and your little hissy-fit diatribe posted to try and insult me is quite frankly laughable. Why does it not surprise me you are a Leftist, your last resort is always to insult, which for me, is quite a comforting thought - as it shows you are out of ideas on how to prove me wrong.
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Actually, you alluded to my exposing of liberal fallacies, I just agreed with it.
wrong....
Thanks, BB - I trusted you would be in the affirmative - more to come on my blog regarding Leftists fallacies, I'd love to see you all there once Ron reviews my request.
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wrong....
you want a blog to call out liberal fallacies on a regular basis
Uh, okay.
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I vote repub, yet criticize them.
just like we love our bodies, but punish them in the gym daily to improve them and remove flaws.
If you get complacent and defend wrongs in your party, they infect other areas and invite corruption.
Just like if you ignore calves because they're genetically weak, you'll soon be ignoring hams and calves, then back, then suddenly you're a piece of shit who doesn't train at all, who never improves and accepts complacence because "at least i'm not a swimmer".
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I vote repub, yet criticize them.
just like we love our bodies, but punish them in the gym daily to improve them and remove flaws.
If you get complacent and defend wrongs in your party, they infect other areas and invite corruption.
Just like if you ignore calves because they're genetically weak, you'll soon be ignoring hams and calves, then back, then suddenly you're a piece of shit who doesn't train at all, who never improves and accepts complacence because "at least i'm not a swimmer".
You can change which political party you vote for, Rob, you can't change into another body.
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Uh, okay.
yes, and I said that because of what you said... good god hello???? did you not say you were to blog on leftist fallacies?
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You can change which political party you vote for, Rob, you can't change into another body.
i can improve my party by motivating other republicans to demand integrity, honesty, and common sense from our party leaders.
Why would I LEAVE my party because a small group - whose actions are slowly becoming the minority WITHIN THE PARTY VOTERS - is in power?
Perhaps the Repubs can choose a good person in 2008.
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yes, and I said that because of what you said... good god hello???? did you not say you were to blog on leftist fallacies?
In the context of this thread, you brought it up, and - in fact - reinforced it was exactly what I do. I'm not arguing I expose Leftists, I do.
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i can improve my party by motivating other republicans to demand integrity, honesty, and common sense from our party leaders.
Why would I LEAVE my party because a small group - whose actions are slowly becoming the minority WITHIN THE PARTY VOTERS - is in power?
Perhaps the Repubs can choose a good person in 2008.
You criticise the Republicans far more than the Democrats - why not vote for them? You believe people within the Republican Party conspired to bring 9/11 upon us, yet they still have your vote regardless? What do they have to do to alienate you?
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You criticise the Republicans far more than the Democrats - why not vote for them? You believe people within the Republican Party conspired to bring 9/11 upon us, yet they still have your vote regardless? What do they have to do to alienate you?
Good questions.
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In the context of this thread, you brought it up, and - in fact - reinforced it was exactly what I do. I'm not arguing I expose Leftists, I do.
duh...
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You criticise the Republicans far more than the Democrats - why not vote for them? You believe people within the Republican Party conspired to bring 9/11 upon us, yet they still have your vote regardless? What do they have to do to alienate you?
I didn't know 240 thought 9/11 was a republican conspiracy ::) I venture to bet you're wrong on that ;D
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You criticise the Republicans far more than the Democrats - why not vote for them? You believe people within the Republican Party conspired to bring 9/11 upon us, yet they still have your vote regardless? What do they have to do to alienate you?
Bruce, I could give a shit about what the dems do. I bitch so much about the repub party because it's my party.
I'm not gonna be one of those blind folks that just agrees blindly with their party when greed and corruption unfluence decision making. If my yard is full of dog shit, I don't laugh at the neighbor's yard for the cat piss. no, I get the scoop out, and knock the shit out of my yard.
Bruce, you defend the party because you love it. I attack it because I love it. If you had cancer in your body, you wouldn't just shoot yourself and hope for better luck in the next. you would cut the cells out of your body so you could be healthy again.
and the evidence points to members of both parties being complicit in the events of, and cover up, of 9/11. Please don't put words in my mouth.
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Bruce, I could give a shit about what the dems do. I bitch so much about the repub party because it's my party.
240: December 16, 2006, 10:59:08 PM » Quote
I'm a libertarian.
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I will vote libertarian on the national level until the repubs return to what they represent. I still vote repub local and state, though, mostly.
Kinda creepy you went back to Dec 16th. perv.
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I will vote libertarian on the national level until the repubs return to what they represent. I still vote repub local and state, though, mostly.
Kinda creepy you went back to Dec 16th. perv.
So are you a Libertarian or are you a Republican?
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So are you a Libertarian or are you a Republican?
I'm a republican who votes libertarian when there are no true republicans running on the ticket.
Also, you just went back 7 weeks to quote me. You have a cruuuuuuush on me.
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I'm a republican who votes libertarian when there are no true republicans running on the ticket.
Also, you just went back 7 weeks to quote me. You have a cruuuuuuush on me.
LOL. Okay. ::) Actually, I typed in the word "libertarian," and there you were categorically calling yourself a libertarian. Sounds like an identity crisis to me. But go ahead deflect attention away from your doublespeak. What libertarian candidates have you voted for? LOL . . . . .
You should really be proud of being a liberal. I have lots of liberal friends and colleagues. Quit running from the label man. Embrace it.
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You want me out of the republican party because I point out its flaws! HA!!
Don't run from your flaws, run at them and fix them. Id' be the loudest praising them if they started making good decisions.
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You criticise the Republicans far more than the Democrats - why not vote for them? You believe people within the Republican Party conspired to bring 9/11 upon us, yet they still have your vote regardless? What do they have to do to alienate you?
Um, he is conservative by nature and so are a lot of "liberals" on this forum. It's just that the republican party isn't truly conservative anymore. They've swayed away from most of their libertarian stances.
Their fiscal policy is supposed conservative, but isn't. They're supposed to be for decreased role of government, but they're not. Infact, they pass legislation that allows the government to prosecute people without trail and makes torture legal. They lied to start the Iraq war and continue to lie about to this day..
If 240 sees these flaws then he's got every right to point them out.
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Um, he is conservative by nature and so are a lot of "liberals" on this forum. It's just that the republican party isn't truly conservative anymore. They've swayed away from most of their libertarian stances.
Their fiscal policy is supposed conservative, but isn't. They're supposed to be for decreased role of government, but they're not. Infact, they pass legislation that allows the government to prosecute people without trail and makes torture legal. They lied to start the Iraq war and continue to lie about to this day..
If 240 sees these flaws then he's got every right to point them out.
good post.
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You have to admit it's amusing that Bruce is crying foul over this yet finds no fault in starting threads calling other people out. ::)
There's that double standard thing showing up again.
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You have to admit it's amusing that Bruce is crying foul over this yet finds no fault in starting threads calling other people out. ::)
There's that double standard thing showing up again.
my favorite part is where he calls it an "inaccurate personal attack " ;D
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my favorite part is where he calls it an "inaccurate personal attack " ;D
Berserker I agree that Bruce opened the door for this with his 240 post (even though all he did was quote 240, which caused 240 to start whining again), but he does have a point about you doing this as mod. Not trying to stir the pot. Just making an observation.
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Berserker I agree that Bruce opened the door for this with his 240 post (even though all he did was quote 240, which caused 240 to start whining again), but he does have a point about you doing this as mod. Not trying to stir the pot. Just making an observation.
berserker is fighting fire with fire.
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my favorite part is where he calls it an "inaccurate personal attack " ;D
Yes, that was a good one. Was it an "inaccurate personal attack" when he started separate threads calling out ribo and 240?
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When people start threads about "this member is wrong/ dumb/ hypocritical/ owned because", the place falls apart fast.
It stops becoming a political issue board. Suddenly it becomes a piece of crap insult board. Suddenly, people stop taking chances on issues for fear of losing face or their ranking among great minds here. People who come here to find intelligent arguments with supports find people insulting each other's mothers or making fun of people because they rent, not buy (ahem.)
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berserker is fighting fire with fire.
Yes, although I question whether any mod (Ozmo, Berserker, etc.) should start threads like this. I think the answer is probably "no," but different strokes. And BTW, I don't have any major problems with the way any of the mods on this board (including Berserker) have run things. I think starting the political board was a fabulous idea and it's probably the most entertaining board on this site IMO. Besides, I always know that no matter how difficult my day, I can always come here and slap 240 around a little. :)
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Besides, I always know that no matter how difficult my day, I can always come here and slap 240 around a little. :)
All I know is, in 2009 when 911 witnesses start coming fwd, i hope you're just as vocal as you are now ;)
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All I know is, in 2009 when 911 witnesses start coming fwd, i hope you're just as vocal as you are now ;)
Why would they wait till 2009? I'll still be here. But those poor witnesses will probably be dead. Will it be the CIA or the FBI?
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Why would they wait till 2009?
Because if you sue in 2001-2008, it is gagged under the blanket of nat'l security.
Civil suits await Bush when he leaves in 2009, just as they would have been there in Jan 2005. He and members of his admin all had their own lawyers should they lose the election for deeds done in office.
If you want to doubt this, put some money down and i'll copy it. Or, do your own reaserch, eh? ;)
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Civil suits await Bush when he leaves in 2009, just as they would have been there in Jan 2005. He and members of his admin all had their own lawyers should they lose the election for deeds done in office.
I recall asking you a while ago for proof of this (and you have since changed the facts a little), but you never provided it.
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I recall asking you a while ago for proof of this (and you have since changed the facts a little), but you never provided it.
It's in a book, one of them I have. If i find, scan, and post it, will you make it worth my while? walk my dog or something?
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It's in a book, one of them I have. If i find, scan, and post it, will you make it worth my while? walk my dog or something?
Depends on the book. Tell me the title and author first. I typically read anything someone asks me to read (link, book, magazine, etc.), unless it's a transparently unreliable source. (Currently reading Helter Skelter, which a former employee recommended. May take a while -- 500 some odd pages.)
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it's either webster tarpley or the marrs book. whichever, its sourced with media reports as each guy chose a firm to represent his own interests.
for real, bb. I can't get a read on you. you seem to lack a lot of background in some debates you enter. Problem is, the time it takes to read thru 2 books, find, scan, edit jpeg, and paste, and you'll give an eye roll. ya know? It's like, if 1 or 2 of our getbig regulars said "240, that is weird that Bush and his top guys all chose diff defense firms in case they lost. Tell us more".
With you, it's just trying to disprove your incorrect notion that I am wrong. You say something isn't true so I'll spend 30 min posting it, then you'll ignore it. you're set in your beliefs that Bush does no wrong. That's fine for you, but dancing with you isn't worth the time.
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When people start threads about "this member is wrong/ dumb/ hypocritical/ owned because", the place falls apart fast.
It stops becoming a political issue board. Suddenly it becomes a piece of crap insult board. Suddenly, people stop taking chances on issues for fear of losing face or their ranking among great minds here. People who come here to find intelligent arguments with supports find people insulting each other's mothers or making fun of people because they rent, not buy (ahem.)
I disagree if the "call out" is to dig into a specific political issue you have with someone... I personally encourage these callouts... I do not encourage pointless callouts, but if you're pointing out a fallacy of the person and want to have at it, hell yes, call them out. I don't think it degrades anything as long as it's not just for a personal attack. Like no calling out someone to tell them their mama is ugly unless you're frazing it as a joke. Lighthearted stuff shouldn't be an issue...
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it's either webster tarpley or the marrs book. whichever, its sourced with media reports as each guy chose a firm to represent his own interests.
for real, bb. I can't get a read on you. you seem to lack a lot of background in some debates you enter. Problem is, the time it takes to read thru 2 books, find, scan, edit jpeg, and paste, and you'll give an eye roll. ya know? It's like, if 1 or 2 of our getbig regulars said "240, that is weird that Bush and his top guys all chose diff defense firms in case they lost. Tell us more".
With you, it's just trying to disprove your incorrect notion that I am wrong. You say something isn't true so I'll spend 30 min posting it, then you'll ignore it. you're set in your beliefs that Bush does no wrong. That's fine for you, but dancing with you isn't worth the time.
On cue: ::) I asked you for the title of the book and the author and you cannot provide them? Do you have the book or not? Like I said, give me the author and title, I'll check into a little, and let you know if I'll read whatever you scan.
I come into discussions knowing a lot, a little, or nothing at all, depending on the subject. Here is a line I borrowed from one of my undergrad professors years ago: "I know a lot about a few things and nothing about a lot of things." (Feel free to borrow that line.) I think it's true of most people.
What happens with you is this: you make pretty wild comments and when pressed for factual support, you run away. I suspect it's because the majority of your sources are akin to tabloid news.
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Okay, this is getting a little off the rails, so let me provide some assistance.
I don't have a problem with Beserker starting a thread about me, on the contrary, I promote people here posting about BRUCE.
However, Beserker was wrong - I showed him why, and asked the board if it was his job to start threads doing so.
This differs to my 240 and RN threads because I didn't start a thread and make anything I wanted up about these guys, and I'm pretty sure everyone here agrees.
So, are they the same things? No.
Do I have an issue with anyone starting a thread about me? So long as you're accurate and not insulting (read: this thread), then go for it!
Carry on.
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Okay, this is getting a little off the rails, so let me provide some assistance.
I don't have a problem with Beserker starting a thread about me, on the contrary, I promote people here posting about BRUCE.
However, Beserker was wrong - I showed him why, and asked the board if it was his job to start threads doing so.
This differs to my 240 and RN threads because I didn't start a thread and make anything I wanted up about these guys, and I'm pretty sure everyone here agrees.
So, are they the same things? No.
Do I have an issue with anyone starting a thread about me? So long as you're accurate and not insulting (read: this thread), then go for it!
Carry on.
Wow, that's almost comical. ::)
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Okay, this is getting a little off the rails, so let me provide some assistance.
I don't have a problem with Beserker starting a thread about me, on the contrary, I promote people here posting about BRUCE.
However, Beserker was wrong - I showed him why, and asked the board if it was his job to start threads doing so.
This differs to my 240 and RN threads because I didn't start a thread and make anything I wanted up about these guys, and I'm pretty sure everyone here agrees.
So, are they the same things? No.
Do I have an issue with anyone starting a thread about me? So long as you're accurate and not insulting (read: this thread), then go for it!
Carry on.
Bruce I agree, but I doubt the masses will agree. I could see this thread coming a mile away after you started the 240 and Ribo threads. Yes all you did was quote them, which caused 240 to run for his son's pacifier, but you're dealing with a sensitive lot. Sort of like 240 crying because I quoted his "I'm a libertarian" comment when he is constantly screaming that he is a Republican (while constantly in bed with anything Democrat). So, I guess if it were me I could continue to quote them, but not start threads devoted to them.
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Bruce I agree, but I doubt the masses will agree. I could see this thread coming a mile away after you started the 240 and Ribo threads. Yes all you did was quote them, which caused 240 to run for his son's pacifier, but you're dealing with a sensitive lot. Sort of like 240 crying because I quoted his "I'm a libertarian" comment when he is constantly screaming that he is a Republican (while constantly in bed with anything Democrat). So, I guess if it were me I could continue to quote them, but not start threads devoted to them.
Yes, but as we have discussed here earlier, the majority of posters here are Leftists. We also discussed that Leftists will continue to believe whatever they please, despite the evidence given to them. It is their (and the far Right's) modus operandi.
So long as both you and I understand this, we will at least have made some progress (does that make us 'progressives'?).
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Yes, but as we have discussed here earlier, the majority of posters here are Leftists. We also discussed that Leftists will continue to believe whatever they please, despite the evidence given to them. It is their (and the far Right's) modus operandi.
So long as both you and I understand this, we will at least have made some progress (does that make us 'progressives'?).
Bruce, for the dull of mind among us...what exactly does the word "Leftist" mean? Thanks in advance.
So long as both you and I understand this, we will at least have made some progress (does that make us 'progressives'?).
I would say no... with much merriment.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressivism
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Yes, but as we have discussed here earlier, the majority of posters here are Leftists. We also discussed that Leftists will continue to believe whatever they please, despite the evidence given to them. It is their (and the far Right's) modus operandi.
So long as both you and I understand this, we will at least have made some progress (does that make us 'progressives'?).
I agree. :)
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Bruce, for the dull of mind among us...what exactly does the word "Leftist" mean? Thanks in advance.
I would say no... with much merriment.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressivism
Ding! :) My impression of "progressives" is they are liberals by another name. In fact, I think every person I have ever met who called themselves "progressive" was actually a liberal. I think the term may have become prominent after many conservatives were able to soil the term liberal and make it a dirty word.
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Ding! :) My impression of "progressives" is they are liberals by another name. In fact, I think every person I have ever met who called themselves "progressive" was actually a liberal. I think the term may have become prominent after many conservatives were able to soil the term liberal and make it a dirty word.
Wrong... I know you're dead set on making up your own meaning to some terms like neo-con but please, there is a history to the progressive movement that goes farther back than running from the liberal label...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressivism
Example of a popular magazine for progressives that was founded in 1909 and is popular still today:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Progressive
http://www.progressive.org/
Are progressives lefties, yup... Is it a term that came to prominence to hide from a liberal label, nope... I know many self -pronounced progressives that also call themselves liberal.
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I thought "Leftist" was used mainly to label "radical left wingers" or "communists." I just don't see many of those around these parts. Certainly not enough to make the sweeping statement that most of the posters here fall under the category of either. But perhaps I just don't grasp the concept. That's why I was asking.
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Wrong... I know you're dead set on making up your own meaning to some terms like neo-con but please, there is a history to the progressive movement that goes farther back than running from the liberal label...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressivism
I already posted that entry for them. Maybe repetition helps. Like when you conjugate verbs in a foreign language.
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I already posted that entry for them. Maybe repetition helps. Like when you conjugate verbs in a foreign language.
If beach had read the entry he wouldn't have thought it a contemporary usage because liberal had been spoiled. No, it's my understanding that repitition does no good, people will believe what they want to believe. Sorry, I didn't read your post where you posted the link. But I did go a little different route pointing out through the popular magazine, the progressive, that the term has been in use for many for quite some time.
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I thought "Leftist" was used mainly to label "radical left wingers" or "communists." I just don't see many of those around these parts. Certainly not enough to make the sweeping statement that most of the posters here fall under the category of either. But perhaps I just don't grasp the concept. That's why I was asking.
If you're being technical about the left leaning members of the board, you're right, if you're speaking of how the left leaning board members are painted by the right, you're wrong... We seem to often fall into the "Pinko Commie" group. I for one have been along with some other labeled in an extreme fashion by board righties..
It's not even limited to this board, they love to attempt to lump anything left with radical left:
In American politics, the word "leftist" is often used as a perjorative, without any of the meanings actually associated with the political left. For example, in Bill O'Reilly's syndicated column [11], under the headline "Leftist media members define American culture", O'Reilly identifies the film "An Inconvenient Truth" and the musical group "Dixie Chicks" as "leftist". He goes on to say, "Almost every major pop culture magazine tilts left. The network news broadcasts tilt left. Hollywood is a bastion of far-left thought. The teacher's unions are far left." O'Reilly contrasts these "leftist" organizations with "...the pool of well-informed, clear-thinking Americans...", which he says is shrinking.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leftist#Perjorative_use_of_the_word_.22leftist.22 there are actually many many examples like this, just listen to 15 minutes of Hannity and you'll see what I mean ;D
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Ok, the purpose of this thread was only to point out that Bruce claimed to approach things without bias saying he was agnostic and couldn't be of the right by definition. His words... I just wanted to call BS on that as I think bias is apparent in his time here:
Your Favourite Conservative Pundit!! (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=121987.0)LOL
Get Informed - Michael Crichton's Speech on Complexity and Left-Wing Myths (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=120025.0)Attack on Left wing stances.
Nuclear Power – Unfairly Demonised (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=123017.0)Rightwing energy beliefs.
President Bush's 'Fake' Turkey!! (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=124286.0)Odd support for Bush assuming his intention was critical of the story.
An Inconvenient Truth - Hot Air (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=123857.0)rightwing position.
doesn't look like he's pro-choice... http://www.getbig.com/boards/Themes/Getbig%20Yellow/images/post/xx.gif
Relax - Greenland Isn't Melting (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=125419.0)right leaning position against global warming.
Global Warming Preaching - What Are You Doing? (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=122850.0)want's no more "pontificating" on the matter... ::)
when called a conservative by ieffinhatecardio, he doesn't deny it, he says: "True conservatives have always taken such a position on complex and debated matters. To draw definite conclusions from such conjecture is called belief, and is based on faith rather than facts. Genuine conservatives never indulge in such things."<==which is a very funny quote knowing a lot of conservatives do indeed indulge in faith over facts... often...
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Clearly this bruce guy has been proven to be a blowhard and not particularly honest.
The funniest part of all this is that he's Australian yet is consumed by our politics.
Interesting side not, the conservative political party in Australia is called the Liberal party. ;D
Political Parties
Despite its name, the Liberal Party is the major conservative party.
http://www.australianpolitics.com/ (http://www.australianpolitics.com/)
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Wrong... I know you're dead set on making up your own meaning to some terms like neo-con but please, there is a history to the progressive movement that goes farther back than running from the liberal label...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressivism
Example of a popular magazine for progressives that was founded in 1909 and is popular still today:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Progressive
http://www.progressive.org/
Are progressives lefties, yup... Is it a term that came to prominence to hide from a liberal label, nope... I know many self -pronounced progressives that also call themselves liberal.
You mean we have a difference of opinion? No way. :) I'm telling you what my experience has been. You apparently have a different one? What I described was my experience with "progressives." I have never met a "progressive" who was really an independent, libertarian, or conservative, but everyone I have encountered was really a liberal when all is said and done. Many liberals are sensitive about being called a liberal these days, but I don't believe it is an insult at all.
And regarding "neocon," did you ever discuss with Ozmo why he defines "neocons" as people with extreme conservative views?
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I already posted that entry for them. Maybe repetition helps. Like when you conjugate verbs in a foreign language.
I read the link. It discusses history, etc. but that really has nothing to do with how people take labels like "neocon" and "progressive" and use them in any manner they deem fit. It actually happens on this board. :)
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You mean we have a difference of opinion? No way. :) I'm telling you what my experience has been. You apparently have a different one? What I described was my experience with "progressives." I have never met a "progressive" who was really an independent, libertarian, or conservative, but everyone I have encountered was really a liberal when all is said and done. Many liberals are sensitive about being called a liberal these days, but I don't believe it is an insult at all.
And regarding "neocon," did you ever discuss with Ozmo why he defines "neocons" as people with extreme conservative views?
I was speaking not on your experience but on the line I highlighted from your post. Only the portion noting the suspicion that the term progressive became "prominent after many conservatives were able to soil the term liberal and make it a dirty word" I don't disagree that those who carry the progressive label are liberal. Nope, for the most part, I pretty much agree with that...
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I read the link. It discusses history, etc. but that really has nothing to do with how people take labels like "neocon" and "progressive" and use them in any manner they deem fit. It actually happens on this board. :)
You might also note the people who attempt to use these classifications properly... they're also on the board ;) It might also be noted that some and you know who, attempt to ignore people who wish said classifications to be used properly by pointing out the correct use. ;D
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The funniest part of all this is that he's Australian yet is consumed by our politics.
Haha! I find that pretty amusing too. Maybe we should start a thread about John Howard, or australia's koala population. ;D
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You might also note the people who attempt to use these classifications properly... they're also on the board ;) It might also be noted that some and you know who, attempt to ignore people who wish said classifications to be used properly by pointing out the correct use. ;D
Berserker I understand where you're coming from, but does it really matter if there is a textbook definition that many people ignore? I think you're fighting a losing battle.
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Berserker I understand where you're coming from, but does it really matter if there is a textbook definition that many people ignore? I think you're fighting a losing battle.
It matters when entire arguments are nullified by the notion that the word doesn't mean what it's suppose to mean. Actually you're the only person I fight on this so it's not much of a battle. If it's lost, Ok... It's not like I'm on a mission with this ;D
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It matters when entire arguments are nullified by the notion that the word doesn't mean what it's suppose to mean. Actually you're the only person I fight on this so it's not much of a battle. It it's lost, Ok... It's not like I'm on a mission with this ;D
Me neither. I ain't dying on this hill. ;D
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Me neither. I ain't dying on this hill. ;D
see, it's not a big battle ;D Just a point trying to be made. A lot of points I have to make about much of what's going on today uses the term neocon. If I can't use the term without the terms definitions being accepted, there's not much point hashing out the issue with the person who does that to begin with. So while it's not a big deal, you shouldn't be willing to use it as a road block to stop the debate. Know what I mean ;)