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NEWPORT BEACH -- Celebrated 'physique' magazine photographer is accused of having sex with a 15-year-old girl after agreeing to help her modeling career.
33-year old Jason Ellis, whose photos have appeared on the covers of magazines such as Elle and Muscle & Fitness, is charged with three counts of lewd acts and one count each of statutory rape, oral copulation of a minor and digital penetration of a minor, said Farrah Emami of the Orange County District Attorney's Office.
Ellis' live-in fiance, 31-year-old Michelle Hecker, is charged with aiding and abetting Ellis in the same crimes, Emami said.
An arrest warrant was issued for Hecker.
Prosecutors say Hecker met "Jane Doe" last year through their shared interest in horseback riding.
Heckler introduced the girl to Ellis under the pretense that he could help with her modeling, Emami said.
Between August 2007 and June, Ellis took the girl on dates to movies and dinner, kissing and touching her in public, Emami said.
Hecker allegedly helped Ellis gain the trust of the girl's parents, picking her up from her home supposedly for horseback riding or some other activity.
But prosecutors say she took the girl to meet Ellis at the Fashion Island mall and drove her home later.
To hide what the two were doing, Hecker allegedly had the girl wear riding clothes when she picked her up or dropped her off, Emami said.
The parents eventually became suspicious and had a private investigator follow the pair, Emami said.
When Ellis learned he was wanted in the case, he fled the area but was arrested 10 days later.
Hecker and Ellis each face up to seven years in prison if convicted.
Anyone with more information about the case or who believes they may have been victimized was asked to call Tim Craig of the district attorney's office at (714) 347-8558.
http://ktla.trb.com/news/ktla-photographer-assault,0,3405805.story
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physique' magazine photographer
Nice cover for a fucking homo who likes fucking kids. It's a shame BBing is known for these horrible acts and this will only seal the deal more so.
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say ta ta to career
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He looks like a relation of Blechman.
Gutler has invited this pedo into his house.
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NEWPORT BEACH -- Celebrated 'physique' magazine photographer is accused of having sex with a 15-year-old girl after agreeing to help her modeling career.
33-year old Jason Ellis, whose photos have appeared on the covers of magazines such as Elle and Muscle & Fitness, is charged with three counts of lewd acts and one count each of statutory rape, oral copulation of a minor and digital penetration of a minor, said Farrah Emami of the Orange County District Attorney's Office.
Ellis' live-in fiance, 31-year-old Michelle Hecker, is charged with aiding and abetting Ellis in the same crimes, Emami said.
An arrest warrant was issued for Hecker.
Prosecutors say Hecker met "Jane Doe" last year through their shared interest in horseback riding.
Heckler introduced the girl to Ellis under the pretense that he could help with her modeling, Emami said.
Between August 2007 and June, Ellis took the girl on dates to movies and dinner, kissing and touching her in public, Emami said.
Hecker allegedly helped Ellis gain the trust of the girl's parents, picking her up from her home supposedly for horseback riding or some other activity.
But prosecutors say she took the girl to meet Ellis at the Fashion Island mall and drove her home later.
To hide what the two were doing, Hecker allegedly had the girl wear riding clothes when she picked her up or dropped her off, Emami said.
The parents eventually became suspicious and had a private investigator follow the pair, Emami said.
When Ellis learned he was wanted in the case, he fled the area but was arrested 10 days later.
Hecker and Ellis each face up to seven years in prison if convicted.
Anyone with more information about the case or who believes they may have been victimized was asked to call Tim Craig of the district attorney's office at (714) 347-8558.
http://ktla.trb.com/news/ktla-photographer-assault,0,3405805.story
pedobear approved
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Muscle Tech, Labrada, Muscle Media & MD are all named as satisfied clients on his site.
They'll wanna distance themselves at all costs.
His website is very pretentious & gay. He'll have a great time in prison.
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Another candidate for MD employment...
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looking through his gallery he gots some good shots of bodybuilders. kai, flex, ronnie, jay
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looking through his gallery he gots some good shots of bodybuilders. kai, flex, ronnie, jay
Candizzle!!!
Did this pedofag approach you at any time for some "personal" pictures? AHAHAH, what a queer!
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Warning : NAME DROP!
I've met and had long conversations with both of them on numerous occasions and am completely taken back. I wouldn't be surprised if this develops into something completely different.
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Candizzle!!!
Did this pedofag approach you at any time for some "personal" pictures? AHAHAH, what a queer!
nah, but seeing as how he made jay cutlers waist line look trim and aesthetic , id be willing to let him take some shots of me as long as the fuck didnt want the naked and didnt touch me
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(http://www.dailypilot.com/content/articles/2008/07/08/publicsafety/dpt-ellis070908.jpg)
"My agency was hired by a family member to look into allegations that this family member felt bordered on criminal activity," said private investigator Thomas Martin. "I've been in law enforcement. And as a private investigator for 38 years, it's as egregious as I've seen," added Martin.
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nah, but seeing as how he made jay cutlers waist line look trim and aesthetic , id be willing to let him take some shots of me as long as the fuck didnt want the naked and didnt touch me
Gayest thing that you've ever said. Signed sealed and delivered!
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Warning : NAME DROP!
I've met and had long conversations with both of them on numerous occasions and am completely taken back. I wouldn't be surprised if this develops into something completely different.
It'll probably be discovered that she was the tip of the iceberg. Hubby & wife seemed to have a real system of manipulation. No way is she the only one. The police seem to be looking for other girls.
Congrats on knowing this loser.
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http://www.jasonellisphotography.com/
Keep your kids away from this man.
hey asshole, whatever happen to due process?
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hey asshole, whatever happen to due process?
That went out the door when he went on the lam for 10 days. ::)
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That went out the door when he went on the lam for 10 days. ::)
it worked for OJ :)
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hey asshole, whatever happen to due process?
He went on the run after being charged with "three counts of lewd acts and one count each of statutory rape, oral copulation of a minor and digital penetration of a minor".
I find that kind of behavior disgusting on a 15-year old girl. He's EIGHTEEN years older than her. He's 33 years old, having his FIANCEE DELIVER THE GIRL so he can have sex with her.
Sick.
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Whoa ... and he knew how old she is too. WTF is wrong with him?
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That asshole trains at my gym >:(
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He went on the run after being charged with "three counts of lewd acts and one count each of statutory rape, oral copulation of a minor and digital penetration of a minor".
I find that kind of behavior disgusting on a 15-year old girl. He's EIGHTEEN years older than her. He's 33 years old, having his FIANCEE DELIVER THE GIRL so he can have sex with her.
Sick.
not guilty until PROVEN guilty or did they not teach that in trailer park MBA :)
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not guilty until PROVEN guilty or did they not teach that in trailer park MBA :)
I find the accusations disgusting.
The DA has enough videotape of it (or testimony) to detail the precise sex acts that took place. And to have the financee deliver the girl? Sick.
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He is a great photographer!
Although every good photographer is automatically labeled "gay" on this board, he is accused of sleeping with an underaged GIRL, which makes him HETEROSEXUAL.
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Some 15 years old are much more mature, both physically and mentally, than most 18+, you'd be surprised.
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I find the accusations disgusting.
The DA has enough videotape of it (or testimony) to detail the precise sex acts that took place. And to have the financee deliver the girl? Sick.
haha ok this time period is for the 240 gimmick which is an obvious female
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He is a great photographer!
Although every good photographer is automatically labeled "gay" on this board, he is accused of sleeping with an underaged GIRL, which makes him HETEROSEXUAL.
There's a rumor in our gym that he's having "relations" with another guy in the gym.
No Goatboy, it's not me >:(
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Although every good photographer is automatically labeled "gay" on this board...
No, just Lift Studios.
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There's a rumor in our gym that he's having "relations" with another guy in the gym.
No Goatboy, it's not me >:(
Your boyfriend, then? ;D
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looking through his gallery he gots some good shots of bodybuilders. kai, flex, ronnie, jay
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There's a rumor in our gym that he's having "relations" with another guy in the gym.
No Goatboy, it's not me >:(
jusus what a yenta the coach is LOL
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jusus what a yenta the coach is LOL
You're a gay jew ;D??
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You're a gay jew ;D??
yeah just like jesus christ lol
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Some 15 years old are much more mature, both physically and mentally, than most 18+, you'd be surprised.
don't be deceived by that, idiot!! STATUTORY RAPE!
"JAIL BAIT".
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No, just Lift Studios.
Just because I wouldn't shoot you don't hold a grudge.
This will be interesting to see how he pleads on this. I agree great photography and he's done some cool video work but WTF is up with even thinking of doing anything with someone of that age.
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don't be deceived by that, idiot!! STATUTORY RAPE!
"JAIL BAIT".
Yep, I agree.
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the suddenly moralistic puritians on this board are funny. this fool jason ellis went where a lot of you internet lurkers only DREAM of in realty and wont admit it. not realty reality haha
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the suddenly moralistic puritians on this board are funny. this fool jason ellis went where a lot of you internet lurkers only DREAM of in realty and wont admit it.
???
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Jason has talent as a photographer. He liked young, beautiful women. Sure knows how to use the light in photos and his images are creative and interesting for the most part.
He is innocent until convicted. Funny thing about the youth of today. They would be offended at 15 to be labelled children.
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I've always wondered this about statutory rape. Does it make the charge worse if he actually raped the girl, as in against her consent, than if she willingly went along with it? Or is the fact that she is underage the only thing that really matters? In this case, it sounds like she probably either went along with it or was too scared to tell anyone, as this occured over a period of time.
ask 240, she's already convicted the charged
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Jason has talent as a photographer. He liked young, beautiful women. Sure knows how to use the light in photos and his images are creative and interesting for the most part.
He is innocent until convicted. Funny thing about the youth of today. They would be offended at 15 to be labelled children.
Who care's if they're offended...........15 is 15 dude anyway you cut it. If their age is questionable you shouldn't be near it......commonsense 101.
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Jason has talent as a photographer. He liked young, beautiful women. Sure knows how to use the light in photos and his images are creative and interesting for the most part.
He is innocent until convicted. Funny thing about the youth of today. They would be offended at 15 to be labelled children.
hmmm...one of the pics you posted doesn't fit :-\
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He is a great photographer!
Although every good photographer is automatically labeled "gay" on this board, he is accused of sleeping with an underaged GIRL, which makes him HETEROBISEXUAL.
Fixed.
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Major Name Drop for all the insecure girls out there. Jason took the pictures for my old clothing line. He is in Maui quite often. Go ahead and rag me for again having a REAL connection with a thread unlike you others who have met no one and can only see things in magazines or tv or internet. Get a life will you
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Major Name Drop for all the insecure girls out there. Jason took the pictures for my old clothing line. He is in Maui quite often. Go ahead and rag me for again having a REAL connection with a thread unlike you others who have met no one and can only see things in magazines or tv or internet. Get a life will you
the muscle mafia shirts ?
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He is a great photographer!
Although every good photographer is automatically labeled "gay" on this board, he is accused of sleeping with an underaged GIRL, which makes him HETEROSEXUAL.
Ah....no. Makes him, sick!
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Ah....no. Makes him, sick!
Pedosexual.
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the muscle mafia shirts ?
Yep I had a whole bunch but these are all I could find on my computer right now
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the suddenly moralistic puritians on this board are funny. this fool jason ellis went where a lot of you internet lurkers only DREAM of in realty and wont admit it. not realty reality haha
Speak for yourself. I can honestly say I've never even FANTASIZED about a kid (yes, 15 is a child/kid).
Hell, as someone with children, I can't imagine too many things that are more disgusting.
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I've always wondered this about statutory rape. Does it make the charge worse if he actually raped the girl, as in against her consent, than if she willingly went along with it? Or is the fact that she is underage the only thing that really matters? In this case, it sounds like she probably either went along with it or was too scared to tell anyone, as this occured over a period of time.
Probably went along with it in the hopes of "boosting" her career. Hard to believe that she went along willingly to be raped on several occasions. If the parents hadn't smelled a rat it probably would have continued until he moved on to the next victim.
It's messed up that the fiancee' (Hecker) lured underage girls to be abused by her boyfriend. Would have been a hell of a marriage (pun intended)
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not guilty until PROVEN guilty or did they not teach that in trailer park MBA :)
That rule is for courtrooms only.
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Who care's if they're offended...........15 is 15 dude anyway you cut it. If their age is questionable you shouldn't be near it......commonsense 101.
Maybe he should have had his photography business in Europe where in many countries the legal age is 15. Or maybe Japan or Korea where the legal age is 13.
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maybe he'll cut a deal and get off light for singing about internet pedofile producers
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maybe the 15 year old child liked it.
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maybe the 15 year old child liked it.
Classy
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I see several problems here..
1. What parent would let their 15 y/o girl do "photo gigs" without them being there? this is 101 givent the current state of the world.
2. Why is a 15 y/o letting some 30+ guy feel up on her? I am sure that his happened several times. So much for the parenting skills. She loved the attention so much that she didn't tell her father.
3. Once a girl crosses the age of the 12 or so men will start looking at them. This is not true, every parent should be proactive.
4. 15 is not exactly a baby anymore, she is not naive about these things.
I am excusing the guy and she should be punished to the full extent of the law. But I am sure that she is/was getting hit on left right.
now we just have to make sure to keep lift studio away from 15y/o boys
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maybe the 15 year old child liked it.
In which case I suggest she be killed.
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Major Name Drop for all the insecure girls out there. Jason took the pictures for my old clothing line. He is in Maui quite often. Go ahead and rag me for again having a REAL connection with a thread unlike you others who have met no one and can only see things in magazines or tv or internet. Get a life will you
Preemptive strike MELTDOWN! :D
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He didnīt rape her.
She wanted to have sex, afterwards he said she was still too ugly for the magazine so she reported him
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Gentlemen, let's not forget women are the enemy here!
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He's going to get ASS RAPED so bad in prison. He'd better work on his salad tossing skills. Fucker is toast.
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artists always get blamed for shit....nothing new here.
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looks like a pedobear to me, how can a 15 year old say no to that face?
(http://bc.images.trb.com/media/thumbnails/story/2008-07/40793956-08184133.jpg)
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What a douche.
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beware of the most critical....some have the most reason to conceal :-X
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Why are you the only one sticking up for this dude. He may not be guilty yet, but where there's smoke there's fire!!
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A physique photographer goes into a pharmacy. He says to the druggist: "I need some birth control for my errr... daughter."
"Is your little girl sexually active?" asks the druggist.
"Nah, she just lays there like my fiancee."
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A physique photographer goes into a pharmacy. He says to the druggist: "I need some birth control for my errr... daughter."
"Is your little girl sexually active?" asks the druggist.
"Nah, she just lays there like my fiancee."
LMAO...
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Q. What's a pedophile's..oops I mean a physique photographers favorite part of a hockey game?
A. Before the First Period. 8)
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Jason has talent as a photographer. He liked young, beautiful women. Sure knows how to use the light in photos and his images are creative and interesting for the most part.
He is innocent until convicted. Funny thing about the youth of today. They would be offended at 15 to be labelled children.
Are you trying to say that because a 15yr girls wants to be treated like an adult (even though she is not), it's okay for an actual adult to have sex with them ??? That's FUCKED UP!
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Are you trying to say that because a 15yr girls wants to be treated like an adult (even though she is not), it's okay for an actual adult to have sex with them ??? That's FUCKED UP!
No. You misread it, although Vince coulda used an editor on that post.
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Heckler introduced the girl to Ellis under the pretense that he could help with her modeling, Emami said.
Ah, so it was The Heckler all along!
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This will be interesting to see how he pleads on this. I agree great photography and he's done some cool video work but WTF is up with even thinking of doing anything with someone of that age.
The irony, of course, is that this is the type of photographer you recommended as being good for the 'careers' ::) of all the fitness/figure women you'd like to influence.
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(http://bc.images.trb.com/media/thumbnails/story/2008-07/40793956-08184133.jpg)
That's not Lift Studios
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He is a great photographer!
Although every good photographer is automatically labeled "gay" on this board, he is accused of sleeping with an underaged GIRL, which makes him HETEROSEXUAL.
Oh fuck, why didn't you say so.........so in you rbook as long as you're a "great photographer" then it is OK to screw 10th graders.....
My bad.
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Oh fuck, why didn't you say so.........so in you rbook as long as you're a "great photographer" then it is OK to screw 10th graders.....
My bad.
If she is 15 in the summertime, there's a good chance she was only a 9th grader when he was having sex with her.
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i think we cannot judge until weve seen her pictures guys.
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Yes we want to see the picssssssssssssssssss.
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Some 15-year olds sure mature quickly.
If not knowing the girls true age, one could easily mistake a 15-year old for an 18-20-year old in this day and age of young women dressing and evolving more maturely.
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A 15-year old model.
No doubt every mans fantasy. :o
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Some 15-year olds sure mature quickly.
If not knowing the girls true age, one could easily mistake a 15-year old for an 18-20-year old in this day and age of young women dressing and evolving more maturely.
sounds like ellis knew she was underage.
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Age of consent laws differ around the world (until recently they differed greatly from US state to state), so it is understandable that not every would call this paedophilia, but ever should be able to see it as a case of sexual harassment. The photographer used his position of authority and control over her career to get sex. That is sexual harassment.
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i think we cannot judge until weve seen her pictures guys.
;D
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Physique Photographer Jason Ellis Accused of Raping 15-year old Model
I can't blame him. 15 year-old girls are hot!
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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The photographer used his position of authority and control over her career to get sex. That is sexual harassment.
Wasn't it the girl who was coming on to him very strongly from the beginning and harassed him to the point where he just couldn't think straight and say no?
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where are the pictures ???
maybe she looks 18
Team 'looks older than she is' :D
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I can't blame him. 15 year-old girls are hot!
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Yes you can blame him, 15 yrs old is too young to be messing around with. And it's illegal so he's an idiot for getting himsefl in that kinda trouble.
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Is 15-years illegal in all US states?
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I went from page one of this to page 4 so i have no idea if his website has been posted...great pics of Ronnie and Jay he took.
Take a gander... www.jasonellisphotograpy .com
We went through this last evening on the one and only "Gayer Than" thread :-*
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Oops...my bad ;D
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Yes you can blame him, 15 yrs old is too young to be messing around with. And it's illegal so he's an idiot for getting himsefl in that kinda trouble.
Not sticking up for him at all but #1 have you seen the 15 year olds in those beach cities? #2 she knew he was older (considering his FIANCE set them up) so let's take a bit of responsibility for our actions and #3 there must be some parent influence (or maybe not so much influence) for a 15 year old to dress up in horse riding attire and then NOT go horse back riding, but telling the folks she is and then going on a date/dates with him.
Just my opinion.
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Not sticking up for him at all but #1 have you seen the 15 year olds in those beach cities? #2 she knew he was older (considering his FIANCE set them up) so let's take a bit of responsibility for our actions and #3 there must be some parent influence (or maybe not so much influence) for a 15 year old to dress up in horse riding attire and then NOT go horse back riding, but telling the folks she is and then going on a date/dates with him.
Just my opinion.
She's 15 fucking years old, there's a reason we set the "legal consent age", they're stupid! :P
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Is 15-years illegal in all US states?
No 14 is legal in Hawaii
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No 14 is legal in Hawaii
:o
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She's 15 fucking years old, there's a reason we set the "legal consent age", they're stupid! :P
how old is 15, REALLY ? :D
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She's 15 fucking years old, there's a reason we set the "legal consent age", they're stupid! :P
I still think the parents need to be a bit more responsible when they allow their kid to be photographed even if by a "professional photographer"...check out the Body Glove photo shoot he did...those girls are really young so this does not surprise me at all.
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good post goat.
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good post goat.
oh, an my dave chappelle video wasnt a good post ???
FUCK YOU, MARZ !!!! FUCK YOU !!
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"A man can marry a girl younger than 9 years of age, even if the girl is still a baby being breastfed. A man, however, is prohibited from having intercourse with a girl younger than 9, other sexual act such as foreplay, rubbing, kissing, and sodomy is allowed."
Ayatollah Khomeini
(http://www.postchi.com/main/Iran/img/khoemini.jpg)
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Is 15-years illegal in all US states?
it is now. but not too long ago, 13 was legal for girls in some states (but the aoc for boys were always higher)
http://www.coolnurse.com/consent.htm
http://www.avert.org/aofconsent.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Age_of_Consent.png
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For most of human history, the "acceptable age" for sex was once a woman had gone through puberty and was sexually mature. Marriage age was typically 14/15 or something like that. The higher "legal" age in modern societies in purely a human construct, and has little to do with nature's idea of maturity. Pedophiles are those who prey on prepubescent children, and that has always been considered morally wrong going back to antiquity. However, someone who is attracted to a sexually mature 15 or 16 year old girl is either "perfectly normal" or a "sick criminal" depending solely on when and where they've lived.
Food for thought.
Oh i didn't say he was a sick pedophile or anything like that, just that it doesn't seem right for a 15 yr old girl to be sleepingg with such an older guy. I'm pretty sure any 15 yr ols girls parents wouldnt think this to be in her best interests. He isn't a pedophile, he's some one who doesn't have enough control over his sexual desire to think about the girl's best interests, since she obviously doesn;t know what is best for her. He should spend some time in jail definitely. Her parents are to fault for this as well, but that doesn;t make him any less guilty.
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it should be intesting how fast all of jason's "friends" in the fitness/bb world turn on him and have "selective amnesia" in how well they know jason, how long they have worked with him, how good of a friend he was to them, who let him in their house, how good of a person he is!
one person notably is fitness model clark bartram! he of the very supposedly born again goody two shoes mr.christian who somewhere i read considered jason one of his best friends in the photography fitness model business!
wonder what mr.bartram is thinking now! of course i've always thought someone who so goody two shoes and super christian who is involved in the world of fitness modeling has to be hiding something?! and what about our mr.olympia? another "friend" jay has to distanced himself now just like titus!
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"A man can marry a girl younger than 9 years of age, even if the girl is still a baby being breastfed. A man, however, is prohibited from having intercourse with a girl younger than 9, other sexual act such as foreplay, rubbing, kissing, and sodomy is allowed."
Matt C
(http://www.postchi.com/main/Iran/img/khoemini.jpg)
oh boy :-X
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No 14 is legal in Hawaii
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_North_America
Hawaii
16 for both males and females, or 14 for females if the consenting male is no older than 19 (five year difference).
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Many muslims even rapes women when she is alone, amongst a gang of men ;D
whats wrong with that.
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Major Name Drop for all the insecure girls out there. Jason took the pictures for my old clothing line. He is in Maui quite often. Go ahead and rag me for again having a REAL connection with a thread unlike you others who have met no one and can only see things in magazines or tv or internet. Get a life will you
WOW!!!
you know a pedophile photographer??? :D
good for you man...
::)
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Beast, most everyone in the fitness/bodybuilding industry knows Jason; and I would think that most of us who know him are very surprised that this occurred.
I am definitely surprised and look forward to what is stated in his defense. (If there even is a defense for such an act he is accused of.)
When you work within this industry, it seems that you eventually meet every type of personality imaginable. The good, the bad, and the ugly. Name any personality trait and I can recall a number of individuals within the BB world who fit that description to a T.
As the years pass and if you get into an environment where you meet lots of people, you'll be saying the same.
Simply knowing an individual who has committed a crime does not make you guilty of that self-same crime.
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Not sticking up for him at all but #1 have you seen the 15 year olds in those beach cities? #2 she knew he was older (considering his FIANCE set them up) so let's take a bit of responsibility for our actions and #3 there must be some parent influence (or maybe not so much influence) for a 15 year old to dress up in horse riding attire and then NOT go horse back riding, but telling the folks she is and then going on a date/dates with him.
Just my opinion.
Simple solution......if it's questionable, don't even think about. I know this idiot, he walks around the gym like his shit don't stink. If he's guilty he won't even be able to get a job flipping burgers at McDonalds...GOOD!
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For most of human history, the "acceptable age" for sex was once a woman had gone through puberty and was sexually mature. Marriage age was typically 14/15 or something like that. The higher "legal" age in modern societies in purely a human construct, and has little to do with nature's idea of maturity. Pedophiles are those who prey on prepubescent children, and that has always been considered morally wrong going back to antiquity. However, someone who is attracted to a sexually mature 15 or 16 year old girl is either "perfectly normal" or a "sick criminal" depending solely on when and where they've lived.
Exactly, Sir! Thanks for pointing that out. So which is better, Nature's standard for what age girls should be getting porked or Society's standard? Like you've said, Nature says it's ok for girls to get porked at ages 13 or 14. Society says age 18. So which is right? I say Nature is right because at least Nature gives a reason for that age - when a girl can get pregnant and reproduce the species - while Society's age of 18 is completely arbitrary and based on no logic whatsoever.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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15...she's probably fucking already. What's the difference? ;) A law doesn't constitute morality. In other countries, 14 is legal. America, way too uptight...haha
No, I wouldn't want someone nailing my daughter at that age, but guess what, that's how it goes. Most women have a dick in them by 14 these days.
The fact that Ellis has his woman go pick this girl up, just shows, he had his pussy on lockdown....BANG! :D
Would I do it...no, it's simply not worth the risk of a lengthy jail term, to crack one off. To take a moral high ground, is just laughable.
(http://www.jailbaitgallery.com/thumb600.php?l_63777a3f7123ba51d338a6cbae7543c9.jpg)
She's probably 15 or so? Looks fine to me...haha And guess what, almost every guy out there. Understandable not to get mixed up with something illegal, especially with the way our laws are structured, but man, enough of the moral high horse talk. ::)
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15...she's probably fucking already. What's the difference? ;) A law doesn't constitute morality. In other countries, 14 is legal. America, way too uptight...haha
No, I wouldn't want someone nailing my daughter at that age, but guess what, that's how it goes. Most women have a dick in them by 14 these days.
The fact that Ellis has his woman go pick this girl up, just shows, he had his pussy on lockdown....BANG! :D
Would I do it...no, it's simply not worth the risk of a lengthy jail term, to crack one off. To take a moral high ground, is just laughable.
(http://www.jailbaitgallery.com/thumb600.php?l_63777a3f7123ba51d338a6cbae7543c9.jpg)
She's probably 15 or so? Looks fine to me...haha And guess what, almost every guy out there. Understandable not to get mixed up with something illegal, especially with the way our laws are structured, but man, enough of the moral high horse talk. ::)
Ask a judge what the difference is. Besides, whether shes screwing or not, I promise the parents probably don't know.
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Ask a judge what the difference is. Besides, whether shes screwing or not, I promise the parents probably don't know.
There's the thing, the day a "judge" tells me what's right/wrong...haha, please. Those assclowns are usually more shady than politicians. Spanking their gavel like they're an authority, just a joke. There's one person who can judge me, and that's God me.
Sure, I'll get thrown in jail by soley following that ideal, but it's the truth.
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There's the thing, the day a "judge" tells me what's right/wrong...haha, please. Those assclowns are usually more shady than politicians. Spanking their gavel like they're an authority, just a joke. There's one person who can judge me, and that's God me.
Sure, I'll get thrown in jail by soley following that ideal, but it's the truth.
warren jeffs in jail for your ideals...4 wifes
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She is 15
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Ask a judge what the difference is. Besides, whether shes screwing or not, I promise the parents probably don't know.
the parents are fuckign idiots if they dont know that this girl in this photo puts out
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the parents are fuckign idiots if they dont know that this girl in this photo puts out
Have to 100% completely agree with you
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15...she's probably fucking already. What's the difference? ;) A law doesn't constitute morality. In other countries, 14 is legal. America, way too uptight...haha
No, I wouldn't want someone nailing my daughter at that age, but guess what, that's how it goes. Most women have a dick in them by 14 these days.
Spot on.
Girls at 14-16 are dick sucking machines, In australia, girls are having dick sucking competitions, this was on the news, girls at 14-17 are still insecure about the bodies but will give head to anyone guy that asks.
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Spot on.
Girls at 14-16 are dick sucking machines, In australia, girls are having dick sucking competitions, this was on the news, girls at 14-17 are still insecure about the bodies but will give head to anyone guy that asks.
I mean, seriously come on, i'm a chick and i know what those girls look like
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I mean, seriously come on, i'm a chick and i know what those girls look like
im serious, fellatio parties are normal amongst 14 yr old in Oz
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im serious, fellatio parties are normal amongst 14 yr old in Oz
Yeah i heard about that :-X
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Yeah i heard about that :-X
Ive been a host of few, not with teens, usually with low self esteem bitches 27 and over, they served me a great fellatio martini
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Like you've said, Nature says it's ok for girls to get porked at ages 13 or 14. Society says age 18. So which is right? I say Nature is right because at least Nature gives a reason for that age - when a girl can get pregnant and reproduce the species - while Society's age of 18 is completely arbitrary and based on no logic whatsoever.
fine. if you don't want to recognize age of consent, in this case it is still sexual harassment. He was in a position of authority. He controlled her career. That is sexual harassment.
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Where is the liberal thinking here? Most posters sound like they have been listening to Oprah or Dr Phil. What a bunch of hypocrites. Just because there are laws doesn't mean those laws are right. Have a think about the legal age young people can buy alcohol. That varies a lot. Same goes for interest in sex. Teenagers mature at different ages. To call someone a pedophile because he had sex with a precocious 15 year old is not what that word means.
I have seen parents worry about their daughters and have no clue that some are already women. Others see it and often these teenagers are sexually active.
The point re the photographer was the parents alerted the police and that is when the law stepped in. It doesn't sound like the teenager minded at all and cooperated and even deceived her parents to see the couple.
On the one hand we have the most crass bunch of assholes on the internet when it comes to how they collectively treat women or talk about them or to them on this forum. It is disgusting. Now some of those same dorks are pulling the morality bullshit and pontificating about right and wrong. I doubt America will ever be rational when it comes to attitudes about sex. As a nation you are so uptight and always have been.
Do we have to have that dickhead Leafy Bug on this adult forum? His attacks on Onlyme are way beyond what is civil.
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Where is the liberal thinking here? Most posters sound like they have been listening to Oprah or Dr Phil. What a bunch of hypocrites. Just because there are laws doesn't mean those laws are right. Have a think about the legal age young people can buy alcohol. That varies a lot. Same goes for interest in sex. Teenagers mature at different ages. To call someone a pedophile because he had sex with a precocious 15 year old is not what that word means.
I have seen parents worry about their daughters and have no clue that some are already women. Others see it and often these teenagers are sexually active.
The point re the photographer was the parents alerted the police and that is when the law stepped in. It doesn't sound like the teenager minded at all and cooperated and even deceived her parents to see the couple.
On the one hand we have the most crass bunch of assholes on the internet when it comes to how they collectively treat women or talk about them or to them on this forum. It is disgusting. Now some of those same dorks are pulling the morality bullshit and pontificating about right and wrong. I doubt America will ever be rational when it comes to attitudes about sex. As a nation you are so uptight and always have been.
Do we have to have that dickhead Leafy Bug on this adult forum? His attacks on Onlyme are way beyond what is civil.
Fine talk from a guy that takes photos of kids playing on a beach!
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You don't even know if that really happened.
Once a woman is alone with a guy for 2 minutes, she can claim ANYTHING.
And the courts usually believe her.
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Where is the liberal thinking here? Most posters sound like they have been listening to Oprah or Dr Phil. What a bunch of hypocrites. Just because there are laws doesn't mean those laws are right. Have a think about the legal age young people can buy alcohol. That varies a lot. Same goes for interest in sex. Teenagers mature at different ages. To call someone a pedophile because he had sex with a precocious 15 year old is not what that word means.
I have seen parents worry about their daughters and have no clue that some are already women. Others see it and often these teenagers are sexually active.
Someone needs to watch this guy.
Fucking sick.
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What we have to watch is all the anonymous assholes on the internet who attack others and take no responsibility for what they write.
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What we have to watch is all the anonymous assholes on the internet who attack others and take no responsibility for what they write.
Vince,
15 is illegal.
Taking a 15-year to your house on multiple occasions is VERY illegal.
You can argue 'well, physically, she is ready', but as a former teacher who had classrooms of 14- and 15-year olds, I can tell you they are very much NOT ready.
That 33-year old man had a responsibility to keep it in his pants. At 15, they might be physically developed, but their hormones are a mess and their maturity is thru the floor. They are still kids.
This is inexcusale no matter what. Private investigator filmed his fiancee taking her back to his house repeatedly, and the indictment has details sex acts, so either the girl talked, or they got it on video. They don't just "make up" oral copulation or digital penetration - they have a case and they know what he did.
He broke the law. If you disagree with the law, run for congress and change it. It's the law for a damn good reason - that girl is still a kid.
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15 year old teenage girls are not kids. I don't buy that. It is a waste of time trying to have an intellectual discussion on this forum.
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15 year old teenage girls are not kids. I don't buy that. It is a waste of time trying to have an intellectual discussion on this forum.
I get what you are trying to say here, Vince, but you are conflating the 'spirit' of the law with the 'letter' of the law.
/the law is not an ass in this case
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Video from the local news channel
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local&id=6253090
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Its funny that vince is a photographer as well
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In Latin America 15 is the age that a girl becomes a woman. They have the quineneara(spelling?) and this means that she is ready to wed and have children, which means having sex. It's not uncommon in 2nd and thrid world countries for young women to already have a few kids before they turn twenty. You want a young and healthy girl to ensure a healthy baby. Once a woman hits her thirties you risk more things going wrong with a pregnancy.
I was reading that the average age that kids today are engaging in sexual activity is 13. Shit at 13 I was still riding my BMX bike and didn't give a shit about girls. Today they're fucking. This world is going downhill fast.
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In Latin America 15 is the age that a girl becomes a woman. They have the quineneara(spelling?) and this means that she is ready to wed and have children, which means having sex. It's not uncommon in 2nd and thrid world countries for young women to already have a few kids before they turn twenty. You want a young and healthy girl to ensure a healthy baby. Once a woman hits her thirties you risk more things going wrong with a pregnancy.
I was reading that the average age that kids today are engaging in sexual activity is 13. Shit at 13 I was still riding my BMX bike and didn't give a shit about girls. Today they're fucking. This world is going downhill fast.
Absolutely. Biologically, females between the ages 16-22 produce the 'healthiest' offspring. Grafted on top of that parameter is social mores and laws.
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surely he used protection?!! i hope he wasn't dumb enough to be not only doing the deed with a 15 year old, but bareback?
one wonders how long the couple was being followed/watched by the p.i.? didn't they have a clue?
one wonders who spilled the beans? did the p.i. first,and then the parents talked to the girl and she spilled her guts?
could all this NOT BE TRUE? of course why would this young girl make it up? but then again it ain't like mr.ellis is filthy rich and famous and it would be to blackmail him or set him up to get his money.
does anyone know who this 15 year old girl is and what she looks like? is she indeed "mature"looking and "mature acting". could it be mr.ellis DID NOT KNOW she was only 15? you would have to be a dumb ass NOT TO KNOW! it's like those guys who go out with a transsexual and didn't know they were former men and say so on the jerry springer show!
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Apparently this liaison was going on for almost a year and began when the teen was 14. Mr Ellis is in hot water for sure.
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Haha I lived in Newport Beach for a few years and this wouldn't surprise me. You see 70 year old men dating 21 year old girls and nobody bats an eye, in fact most men cheer them on. Is there really a difference? If it was my daughter this Ellis guy would have ended up in the hospital with a traumatic brain injury and two broken knees. What I don't understand about all these stupid stories is the 15 year old girl goes along with everything. I mean come on, at 15 most girls are pretty mature, mature enough to know that some creepy 33 year old touching you or fucking you is WRONG! Girls are fucked up nowadays. They'll do anything for money and a career in entertainment. Hell look at all those sluts on BangBros or that do porn. Look at that college girls thread on this site. Over a hundred fucking pages! LMAO! Young girls nowadays are sluts! Plain and simple! They make their daddy's proud that's for sure! 15 year old girls are a victim of our culture and sexualization of children in America.
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the parents are fuckign idiots if they dont know that this girl in this photo puts out
Both are wrong, but putting out with someone your own are is a little different than putting out with someone 18 years older than you. Jason had to gain the trust of the parents I'm sure because they must have had to sign a consent form since she was under age. IMO, the parents had no idea Jason was doinking her and she kept it from them.
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Haha I lived in Newport Beach for a few years and this wouldn't surprise me. You see 70 year old men dating 21 year old girls and nobody bats an eye, in fact most men cheer them on. Is there really a difference? If it was my daughter this Ellis guy would have ended up in the hospital with a traumatic brain injury and two broken knees. What I don't understand about all these stupid stories is the 15 year old girl goes along with everything. I mean come on, at 15 most girls are pretty mature, mature enough to know that some creepy 33 year old touching you or fucking you is WRONG! Girls are fucked up nowadays. They'll do anything for money and a career in entertainment. Hell look at all those sluts on www.rapauditions.com or that do porn. Look at that college girls thread on this site. Over a hundred fucking pages! LMAO! Young girls nowadays are sluts! Plain and simple! They make their daddy's proud that's for sure! 15 year old girls are a victim of our culture and sexualization of children in America.
I've always wondered who these women are that take nude pictures of themselves and put them on the internet
so far I haven't met any :(
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Look, a 14-15 year old that does not have the emotional experience that an 18-19 year old does.
Simple as that.
People want a cool photography to take their picture for the magazine, the sites, etc. But if someone tells you to 'put' out for that, it is a crock of shit. For Jason to knowingly do that, and he knew her age, it is crap.
Even if the girl 'loved' him...
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considering a 15 year old
cant' vote,
cant' buy alchohol,
can't drive,
can't but many otc medicines,
and can't make rational judgements,
makes them still a kid
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considering a 15 year old
cant' vote,
cant' buy alchohol,
can't drive,
can't but many otc medicines,
and can't make rational judgements,
makes them still a kid
But what the hell, they can still get an abortion without the parents permission :-\
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In Latin America 15 is the age that a girl becomes a woman. They have the quineneara(spelling?)
quinceaņera
and this means that she is ready to wed and have children, which means having sex.
after she's married
It's not uncommon in 2nd and third world countries for young women to already have a few kids before they turn twenty.
it is not uncommon in the US either. which is the problem. in a society with a high child mortality rate, it is important to have lots of children from a very young age so that some of them survive. but in a modern society, it is better to wait until the parents have the means to provide for them.
I agree that 18 is an unrealistic age of consent. but what this photographer did was still morally and legally wrong because he was in a position of authority over her. Throw out the AOC, and it is still a case of sexual harassment.
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But what the hell, they can still get an abortion without the parents permission :-\
Thank your liberal governor Arnold for that one.
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Look, a 14-15 year old that does not have the emotional experience that an 18-19 year old does.
Simple as that.
People want a cool photography to take their picture for the magazine, the sites, etc. But if someone tells you to 'put' out for that, it is a crock of shit. For Jason to knowingly do that, and he knew her age, it is crap.
Even if the girl 'loved' him...
There's not a whole lot of difference between a freshman in high school and a senior in high school. Sorry! Of course no one in their right mind can justify what this guy did. 15 year olds nowadays may still be emotionally vulnerable but you'd be damn surprised how their mind works when it comes to sex and men or "boys".
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Thank your liberal governor Arnold for that one.
I agree, he's a POS as a Gov.
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But what the hell, they can still get an abortion without the parents permission :-\
no child is going to choose to get an abortion without talking to her parents unless there is a reason that she can't talk to her parents, like, I don't know, her father is the one who knocked her up.
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I know some 18 year olds that would chew up and spit out grown men like they're nothing! I don't mean sexually I just mean manipulatively, kanivingly speaking.
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no child is going to choose to get an abortion without talking to her parents unless there is a reason that she can't talk to her parents, like, I don't know, her father is the one who knocked her up.
Most kids are scared to tell the parents only because of what they might say. You don't think most kids are scared to tell the parents they're pregnant?
Tim, you would understand if you had kids. Did you ever do anything that you shouldn't have and were afraid to tell you parents?
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Most kids are scared to tell the parents only because of what they might say. You don't think most kids are scared to tell the parents they're pregnant?
Tim, you would understand if you had kids. Did you ever do anything that you shouldn't have and were afraid to tell you parents?
Joe, you're sounding almost human, here. Snap out of it! :D
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Most kids are scared to tell the parents only because of what they might say. You don't think most kids are scared to tell the parents they're pregnant?
if a kid from a supportive nurturing family is scared, think how it would be for a kid from an abusive family. If you have a good relationship with your child, your child will ultimately talk to you, and will not make such a significant decision without you. But if you've been having sex with your daughter for the last few years, it is realistic for her to come to you for permission to end the pregnancy?
Tim, you would understand if you had kids.
and you might understand if you had seen sexual abuse up close
Did you ever do anything that you shouldn't have and were afraid to tell you parents?
of course, but I ultimately took responsibility for my actions. but what happens if you're not responsible for being pregnant? that is you were not in a position to say no
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240 said they put a tail on the girl. what kind of parent doesnt communicate with their children yet put a detailer on them to track every move? i think the truth is still unknown in this case.
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I'm very surprised on how many pedophile types are
on this site.
15 is illegal period, end of story.
I don't give a fucking shit how the girl looks.
If you know she is 15, and you violate sexually,
you're a fucking pedophile, period.
You could change any law, and I would NEVER touch
a girl that young. I could barley touch a 20yr old!!
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I'm very surprised on how many pedophile types are
on this site.
15 is illegal period, end of story.
I don't give a fucking shit how the girl looks.
If you know she is 15, and you violate sexually,
you're a fucking pedophile, period.
You could change any law, and I would NEVER touch
a girl that young. I could barley touch a 20yr old!!
Yes he broke laws but there are still degrees of pedophilia apparently. Try arguing that having sex with a 15 year old is the same as with a 4 year old. Also would you call him a pedophile if he was having sex with a 17 year-old one day before her 18th birthday? I'll agree that 14 (when I guess the relationship started) is bad by most standards. But with a 15 year old, I don't know if hearing that embitters me enough to wish death on him or anal rape in prison for all eternity or whatever is the standard wish to those commiting carnal crimes by Getbiggers is. Yeah he's in deep shit though and yeah he definitely should have known better.
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FREE MARS!!!!
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FREE MARS!!!!
Agreed.
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Yes he broke laws but there are still degrees of pedophilia apparently. Try arguing that having sex with a 15 year old is the same as with a 4 year old. Also would you call him a pedophile if he was having sex with a 17 year-old one day before her 18th birthday? I'll agree that 14 (when I guess the relationship started) is bad by most standards. But with a 15 year old, I don't know if hearing that embitters me enough to wish death on him or anal rape in prison for all eternity or whatever is the standard wish to those commiting carnal crimes by Getbiggers is. Yeah he's in deep shit though and yeah he definitely should have known better.
if guilty castration seems appropriated
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I'm very surprised on how many pedophile types are
on this site.
15 is illegal period, end of story.
I don't give a fucking shit how the girl looks.
If you know she is 15, and you violate sexually,
you're a fucking pedophile, period.
You could change any law, and I would NEVER touch
a girl that young. I could barley touch a 20yr old!!
Please try to hide your jealousy of guys who date hot 15 year olds.
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FREE MARS!!!!
(http://www.meib.org/images/0012_saddam.jpg)
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Mars(may god protect him) will be back shortly and have revenge against the infidels.
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Who dared to ban the great Mars?
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if a kid from a supportive nurturing family is scared, think how it would be for a kid from an abusive family. If you have a good relationship with your child, your child will ultimately talk to you, and will not make such a significant decision without you. But if you've been having sex with your daughter for the last few years, it is realistic for her to come to you for permission to end the pregnancy?
If a parent has a good relationship with their child and is open and was raised properly, the child would be even more scared to tell the parent because that child betrayed the parents trust. It's ok to trust your kids, but it's naive to think you can trust them 100%.
Also, if the child has a good relationship with the parents and again.....was raised properly, it shouldn't have happend to begin with. That 15 year old know's the difference between right and wrong. If she doesn't, the parents should be held accountable as well.
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wtf happened to Mars?
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But what the hell, they can still get an abortion without the parents permission :-\
Yeah, that is weird.
It's ok to trust your kids, but it's naive to think you can trust them 100%.
Big time. Some of these parents that want to be buddies with their kids are more immature than the kids. Kids need structure, they have friends at school, they need a role model outside of school.
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time was Ron wouldn't make a move around here without consulting Mars first
we all pray for his safe return, insh'Allah
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Why are we talking about mars instead of hot 15 year old girls which was the subject of this topic in the first place.
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BRING BACK MARS
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Why are we talking about mars instead of hot 15 year old girls which was the subject of this topic in the first place.
I don't see how you can talk about one without mentioning the other
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If a parent has a good relationship with their child and is open and was raised properly, the child would be even more scared to tell the parent because that child betrayed the parents trust.
there is a difference between being scared and fearing for your life. the overwhelming majority of times that a minor will get an abortion without talking to her parents is when incest is involved. how do you propose requiring parental consent and still protect the child in those instances? investigations and court hearings take time while late term abortions are generally not available. accusations brand the girl for life.
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there is a difference between being scared and fearing for your life. the overwhelming majority of times that a minor will get an abortion without talking to her parents is when incest is involved. how do you propose requiring parental consent and still protect the child in those instances? investigations and court hearings take time while late term abortions are generally not available. accusations brand the girl for life.
Tim IMO there's probably lots of girls who would have an abortion without telling their parents and it doesn't necessarily take a very extreme set of circumstances.
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Tim IMO there's probably lots of girls who would have an abortion without telling their parents and it doesn't necessarily take a very extreme set of circumstances.
again, how do you propose to require parental consent while also protecting victims of incest?
maybe you should just try to develop a better relationship with your child so that she doesn't consider having an abortion without consulting you, and not try to use the state to make up for your shortcomings.
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Kids today are fucked beyond belief. They live in a fantasy world of myspace and facebook and chat all day and think they know each other, they then meet and have sex. Kids think having sex is cool, girls will sucka cock for a free shirt from the gap. Society is moving into a downward spiral. As America becomes more religious and closed minded , kids are rebelling more and turning into little shits. When I was a kid I'd get into trouble just like kids today the problem is kids have no respect. They gained this lack of respect by being able to say what they want online but don't realize that you can't say the same shit to someone in person. It's a world gone soft, the gov. is now turning into Big Brother, they can watch you and hear you and you can't escape them.
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the overwhelming majority of times that a minor will get an abortion without talking to her parents is when incest is involved.
I just don't think this is a factual statement...I could be wrong though, especially if you're basing this on some study you've read. Maybe I'm just naive as to the number of times girls are impregnated by relatives. Are you sure about this?
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I just don't think this is a factual statement...I could be wrong though, especially if you're basing this on some study you've read.
Nice post....Spot on as usual!
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would you prefer your daughter to run away from home if she feels she cannot disclose her pregnancy to you?
what about a girl who is a minor by just a few months. should she be forced to hide her pregnancy until she is of legal age and then get a later term abortion?
and if a parent has the right to prevent a minor child from having an abortion, can a parent force a child to have one?
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A lot of these young girls are to blame for being stupid sluts
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A lot of these young girls are to blame for being stupid sluts
and some are to be blamed for having incestuous relatives
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A lot of these young girls are to blame for being stupid sluts
Damn, bro they are kids. These sick fucks should be de-balled!
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Was Ellis a sexually abused child? if his mother or father had him sexually he could be permanently damaged and survive as one of the walking wounded.
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FREE MARS!!!!
/oh, and turn on the reactor on your way out.
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Kids today are fucked beyond belief. They live in a fantasy world of myspace and facebook and chat all day and think they know each other, they then meet and have sex. Kids think having sex is cool, girls will sucka cock for a free shirt from the gap. Society is moving into a downward spiral. As America becomes more religious and closed minded , kids are rebelling more and turning into little shits. When I was a kid I'd get into trouble just like kids today the problem is kids have no respect. They gained this lack of respect by being able to say what they want online but don't realize that you can't say the same shit to someone in person. It's a world gone soft, the gov. is now turning into Big Brother, they can watch you and hear you and you can't escape them.
Most parents today are losers as well.
I would have had my ass kicked so hard if I did half the shit
these creaps do these days.
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Kids today are fucked beyond belief. They live in a fantasy world of myspace and facebook and chat all day and think they know each other, they then meet and have sex. Kids think having sex is cool, girls will sucka cock for a free shirt from the gap. Society is moving into a downward spiral. As America becomes more religious and closed minded , kids are rebelling more and turning into little shits. When I was a kid I'd get into trouble just like kids today the problem is kids have no respect. They gained this lack of respect by being able to say what they want online but don't realize that you can't say the same shit to someone in person. It's a world gone soft, the gov. is now turning into Big Brother, they can watch you and hear you and you can't escape them.
don;t blame religion. lack of religion is the problem here in america. if NOTHING else religion is away to control people. even if you don't believe in god or another higher being the fact that there may be one keeps MANY people in check..doing the right thing ,...which is a good,
i do however agree that the goverment needs to take a step back. parents need to step up and be parents
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I wouldn't want someone nailing my daughter at that age, but guess what, that's how it goes.
hahaha
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Damn, bro they are kids. These sick fucks should be de-balled!
Jason Ellis won't recover.
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Where is the liberal thinking here? Most posters sound like they have been listening to Oprah or Dr Phil. What a bunch of hypocrites. Just because there are laws doesn't mean those laws are right. Have a think about the legal age young people can buy alcohol. That varies a lot. Same goes for interest in sex. Teenagers mature at different ages. To call someone a pedophile because he had sex with a precocious 15 year old is not what that word means.
I have seen parents worry about their daughters and have no clue that some are already women. Others see it and often these teenagers are sexually active.
The point re the photographer was the parents alerted the police and that is when the law stepped in. It doesn't sound like the teenager minded at all and cooperated and even deceived her parents to see the couple.
On the one hand we have the most crass bunch of assholes on the internet when it comes to how they collectively treat women or talk about them or to them on this forum. It is disgusting. Now some of those same dorks are pulling the morality bullshit and pontificating about right and wrong. I doubt America will ever be rational when it comes to attitudes about sex. As a nation you are so uptight and always have been.
Do we have to have that dickhead Leafy Bug on this adult forum? His attacks on Onlyme are way beyond what is civil.
WOW....
I've seen some retarded things come out of Basile's mouth...but this one takes the cake. If I had any respect for the fool, this would've pretty much wiped it out
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WOW....
I've seen some retarded things come out of Basile's mouth...but this one takes the cake. If I had any respect for the fool, this would've pretty much wiped it out
I was going to let basile babysit my teenage niece. Now I'm rethinking it. I think she'd be safer home alone.
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I was going to let basile babysit my teenage niece. Now I'm rethinking it. I think she'd be safer home alone.
Chances are, he already has pictures of her from the beach...
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Chances are, he already has pictures of her from the beach...
Chances are he considers himself to be a student of the arts, and he masturbates furiously to said pictures.
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RELATED THREAD:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=100245.0
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Most parents today are losers as well.
I would have had my ass kicked so hard if I did half the shit
these creaps do these days.
Yes
I'd likely not be alive if I tried this malarkey with my parents
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I was going to let basile babysit my teenage niece. Now I'm rethinking it. I think she'd be safer home alone.
I was thinking about getting 240 to do a website for me. Now I'm rethinking it. I think I should take my business elsewhere.
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I was thinking about getting 240 to do a website for me. Now I'm rethinking it. I think I should take my business elsewhere.
need a place to post your beach shots slick?
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dude, vince, i took 2 anabol today and im bloated as fuck and looking SWOLE bro !! ;D ;D
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I was thinking about getting 240 to do a website for me. Now I'm rethinking it. I think I should take my business elsewhere.
hey, this is a discussion board. I am a former teacher and I find the thought of anyone having sex with anyone under 18 to be disgusting. They are kids. You might have some kids who are mature, but not all of them are, and no horny 33-year old male should ever be the one to decide if an underage girl is ready or not. If our opinions differ on this topic, so be it.
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I was thinking about getting 240 to do a website for me. Now I'm rethinking it. I think I should take my business elsewhere.
Get the F.uck out of here you fucken perverted pedo, im sure 240 will begging for $300 from a pedo like you
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maybe Vince needs a site to document all the funerals he attends around the world.
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maybe Vince needs a site to document all the funerals he attends around the world.
HAHAHAH "The uninvited guest" i've crashed a few parties but to crash a funeral is fucken psychotic, what makes it worse is that it was a 2 hour drive to there
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(http://bc.images.trb.com/media/thumbnails/story/2008-07/40793956-08184133.jpg)
That's not Lift Studios
Keep that Pedo away from my Cocaine!
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Quote from Vince;
Where is the liberal thinking here? Most posters sound like they have been listening to Oprah or Dr Phil. What a bunch of hypocrites. Just because there are laws doesn't mean those laws are right. Have a think about the legal age young people can buy alcohol. That varies a lot. Same goes for interest in sex. Teenagers mature at different ages. To call someone a pedophile because he had sex with a precocious 15 year old is not what that word means.
I have seen parents worry about their daughters and have no clue that some are already women. Others see it and often these teenagers are sexually active.
The point re the photographer was the parents alerted the police and that is when the law stepped in. It doesn't sound like the teenager minded at all and cooperated and even deceived her parents to see the couple.
On the one hand we have the most crass bunch of assholes on the internet when it comes to how they collectively treat women or talk about them or to them on this forum. It is disgusting. Now some of those same dorks are pulling the morality bullshit and pontificating about right and wrong. I doubt America will ever be rational when it comes to attitudes about sex. As a nation you are so uptight and always have been.
Do we have to have that dickhead Leafy Bug on this adult forum? His attacks on Onlyme are way beyond what is civil.
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And there's the problem right there. Liberal thinking with no to little morals to comprehend. Now you know why I think the way I do about liberals.....at least Libs like Vince.
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hey, this is a discussion board. I am a former teacher and I find the thought of anyone having sex with anyone under 18 to be disgusting. They are kids. You might have some kids who are mature, but not all of them are, and no horny 33-year old male should ever be the one to decide if an underage girl is ready or not. If our opinions differ on this topic, so be it.
Screw him Rob, personally I wouldn't care who my client was, if they ever said that too me I'd probably leave them buried under the squat rack with a full load. Besides, I've got plenty of work for you. Things are changing.
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When you guys were under 18 I bet you wouldn't have minded banging some 33 year old women though.
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When you guys were under 18 I bet you wouldn't have minded banging some 33 year old women though.
But most didn't.
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When you guys were under 18 I bet you wouldn't have minded banging some 33 year old women though.
I remember being a 15 year old kid. Completely clueless. And if some 33-year old skank and her messed up hubby wanted to bring me home, that would be some messed up stuff too.
The man broke the law. If you disagree with the law, vote to change it. Nobody here who is a parent will defend what this photog allegedly did. Mature or not, he could have chosen to keep it in his pants another 3 years. Even sicker is having this KID in the middle of their 3-way.
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I remember being a 15 year old kid. Completely clueless. And if some 33-year old skank and her messed up hubby wanted to bring me home, that would be some messed up stuff too.
The man broke the law. If you disagree with the law, vote to change it. Nobody here who is a parent will defend what this photog allegedly did. Mature or not, he could have chosen to keep it in his pants another 3 years. Even sicker is having this KID in the middle of their 3-way.
Agreed and when he finds himself in jail he won't be "the man" he thought he was on the outside.
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I was thinking about getting 240 to do a website for me. Now I'm rethinking it. I think I should take my business elsewhere.
No problem...I'll give him $300 NOT do make a website for your creepy old ass..............freak.
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But most didn't never had the opportunity to.
Fixed. :P
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I don't care what anyone says.....15 year old is a child. I don't care if she CAME ON TO YOU. As the adult, you should know better. Whether it's legal or not, to me, is beside the point. There's right & wrong. I don't care if you live in Dubai, India, and having sex with a 12 year old is a-o-fucking-kay there. legal doesn't make it right, folks.
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Fixed. :P
LOL ;D
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I don't care what anyone says.....15 year old is a child. I don't care if she CAME ON TO YOU. As the adult, you should know better. Whether it's legal or not, to me, is beside the point. There's right & wrong. I don't care if you live in Dubai, India, and having sex with a 12 year old is a-o-fucking-kay there. legal doesn't make it right, folks.
I agree. Good post
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Yep I had a whole bunch but these are all I could find on my computer right now
People actually paid money for those t-shirts??????????? LMAO! :o
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Gayer than hang the bastard - rape is rape
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Gayer than getbig being full of closet pervs who have posted trying to condone this perversion
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Gayer than getbig being full of closet pervs who have posted trying to condone this perversion
Gayer than Basille being locked in a cage for trying it with 14 year old mexican boys
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I'd bet this story is not even close to be over. If this guy was a photographer and he was banging this 15 year old, chances are he has nude photos of her and maybe others. Once the child porn on his PC is found this dude is going to lock up fast!
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I'd bet this story is not even close to be over. If this guy was a photographer and he was banging this 15 year old, chances are he has nude photos of her and maybe others. Once the child porn on his PC is found this dude is going to lock up fast!
you make an interesting point that no one else has mentioned.
yeah, if he's bold and crazy enough to have 3-ways with the fiancee and some 9th grader, chances are he did take pics. And chances are, he's dumb enough to keep them in his house. He's screwed.
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remember whe 'Elbo -Macoroni' was Mo-lested at some show Bwhahahah, i wonder if its the same guy ?
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remember whe 'Elbo -Macoroni' was Mo-lested at some show Bwhahahah, i wonder if its the same guy ?
\\iinteresting.
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And there's the problem right there. Liberal thinking with no to little morals to comprehend. Now you know why I think the way I do about liberals.....at least Libs like Vince.
So, Joe, was every person who ever lived prior to say 1900 or so "immoral", given that they were all marrying/fuccking at 14/15?
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Didn't Chick and others condone having that young girl do her 'pro' fitness routine at a contest last year? She was 9 or 10 and her routine including a quick change of costumes onstage. Ah, what hypocrisy on Getbig. Goatboy, myself and others argued that it might not have been appropriate for a kid that young to be performing for adults. Handstands, cartwheels, balances, etc., and imitating the adult routines of her mentors and coaches.
That kind of dancing is what some kids are trained to do for exhibitions and contests. The time and place might not have been appropriate. Let us see some consistency from the bigmouths on Getbig.
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Didn't Chick and others condone having that young girl do her 'pro' fitness routine at a contest last year? She was 9 or 10 and her routine including a quick change of costumes onstage. Ah, what hypocrisy on Getbig. Goatboy, myself and others argued that it might not have been appropriate for a kid that young to be performing for adults. Handstands, cartwheels, balances, etc., and imitating the adult routines of her mentors and coaches.
That kind of dancing is what some kids are trained to do for exhibitions and contests. The time and place might not have been appropriate. Let us see some consistency from the bigmouths on Getbig.
Gayer than justifying a pedo
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Didn't Chick and others condone having that young girl do her 'pro' fitness routine at a contest last year? She was 9 or 10 and her routine including a quick change of costumes onstage. Ah, what hypocrisy on Getbig. Goatboy, myself and others argued that it might not have been appropriate for a kid that young to be performing for adults. Handstands, cartwheels, balances, etc., and imitating the adult routines of her mentors and coaches.
That kind of dancing is what some kids are trained to do for exhibitions and contests. The time and place might not have been appropriate. Let us see some consistency from the bigmouths on Getbig.
unless you were at the event you dont know what happened ::) no consistency. what i want to know is...ellis to name clients who bought the pedo pics, what pedo trash do they(clients) own and what are they themselves dealing or conspiring to deliver? this ellis might be a rat but he could be a rat who's willing to take down scum.
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Didn't Chick and others condone having that young girl do her 'pro' fitness routine at a contest last year? She was 9 or 10 and her routine including a quick change of costumes onstage. Ah, what hypocrisy on Getbig. Goatboy, myself and others argued that it might not have been appropriate for a kid that young to be performing for adults. Handstands, cartwheels, balances, etc., and imitating the adult routines of her mentors and coaches.
That kind of dancing is what some kids are trained to do for exhibitions and contests. The time and place might not have been appropriate. Let us see some consistency from the bigmouths on Getbig.
I was the loudest one (well, along with goatboy) questioning the sanity of a 10-year old performing an adult routine in adult clothes to "I'm so hot" or some nonsense like that.
Just like this photog Ellis...
It's exposing kids to a world at way too young an age. Yes, the 10-year old can have perfectly good intentions just to dance. But chances are, that 10-year old performed at a lot of shows where Ellis and others just like him, were backstage snapping away.
Age 10 is close to 15. If ellis (and others like him) will have sick 3-ways with 15-year olds, it wouldn't take much for him to take a 10 year old home. They don't give a damn about breaking the law, messing up a kid's head, etc.
The minute you say it's "okay" for him to nail a 15-year old, you open up the door to 14, 13, 12, 11, and 10 year olds. It's NEVER okay.
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no one is saying that it is ok...but clearly at the age of 15 she should be a comprehend the concept that some older dude is trying to fuck her.
given the day and time that we live in what parent would send their kid off with strangers? we read stories every day about young boys and girls being taken advantage of. Why wasn't the mom or dad there with her?
I blame the parents.
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dude was 33. she was 15.
that's fucked up
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I was the loudest one (well, along with goatboy) questioning the sanity of a 10-year old performing an adult routine in adult clothes to "I'm so hot" or some nonsense like that.
Just like this photog Ellis...
It's exposing kids to a world at way too young an age. Yes, the 10-year old can have perfectly good intentions just to dance. But chances are, that 10-year old performed at a lot of shows where Ellis and others just like him, were backstage snapping away.
Age 10 is close to 15. If ellis (and others like him) will have sick 3-ways with 15-year olds, it wouldn't take much for him to take a 10 year old home. They don't give a damn about breaking the law, messing up a kid's head, etc.
The minute you say it's "okay" for him to nail a 15-year old, you open up the door to 14, 13, 12, 11, and 10 year olds. It's NEVER okay.
10 is way different than 15. hell what if she was 15 and 11 months old, thats a month away from being legal. 10 is a child.
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He is a great photographer!
Although every good photographer is automatically labeled "gay" on this board, he is accused of sleeping with an underaged GIRL, which makes him HETEROSEXUAL.
Hi Jason.
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dude was 33. she was 15.
that's fucked up
No, it was lucky, until he got caught. ;)
Fact is, most 30 year old guys don't have teenage girls...who are hot, coming after them. This is reality. If it were common place, they'd change the law, due to increase in the statutory crimes.
I love the moral high ground walkers here. If the girl below wanted to get nailed, laws aside, you'd hit it...who are you kidding...ahah Age becomes irrelevant, when fine pussy is involved. To tell yourself otherwise is foolish.
(http://www.jailbaitgallery.com/thumb600.php?2me7gye.jpg)
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No, it was lucky, until he got caught. ;)
Fact is, most 30 year old guys don't have teenage girls...who are hot, coming after them. This is reality. If it were common place, they'd change the law, due to increase in the statutory crimes.
I love the moral high ground walkers here. If the girl below wanted to get nailed, laws aside, you'd hit it...who are you kidding...ahah Age becomes irrelevant, when fine pussy is involved. To tell yourself otherwise is foolish.
(http://www.jailbaitgallery.com/thumb600.php?2me7gye.jpg)
:o
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hahaha can you imagine some 35 year old guy saying to such a fox "no, you are too young, i prefer my fat obese american woman" hahahaha gayer than pms
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hahaha can you imagine some 35 year old guy saying to such a fox "no, you are too young, i prefer my fat obese american woman" hahahaha gayer than pms
That's the whole idea, to bang hot "young" woman. To start capping the age, only holds you back. ;D I don't discriminate. If a hot girl wants some penis, oh well. :D
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First off....
Vince Basile...you're an idiot however it does explain why you have a bunch of pictures of kids playing on the beach
christinafitness....you're an idiot too, it is innocent until proven guilty but if he was innocent, he wouldn't have tried to run for Mexico.... ::)
A 15 year old is a "CHILD". They lack the maturity to make appropriate decisions and people like Jason took advantage of it for his own lust.
What's worse is Jason thought it was amusing to tell the parents that they were going horseback riding if you get pun.
Messing with a CHILD is illegal, immoral, and disgusting.......period. There's nothing more to say about it.
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There is a fine but distinct line between,
knowing someone is underage and persuing
them, and exploiting them by promising a career
and money,
and then have some chick in a bar,
that looks 18, says she's 18,
you believe she is 18
and then get busted.
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No, it was lucky, until he got caught. ;)
Fact is, most 30 year old guys don't have teenage girls...who are hot, coming after them. This is reality. If it were common place, they'd change the law, due to increase in the statutory crimes.
I love the moral high ground walkers here. If the girl below wanted to get nailed, laws aside, you'd hit it...who are you kidding...ahah Age becomes irrelevant, when fine pussy is involved. To tell yourself otherwise is foolish.
(http://www.jailbaitgallery.com/thumb600.php?2me7gye.jpg)
wow, I will use this pic later on ;) ...you have any more of her?
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I really can't believe what i read here from vince b and some other posters.
Yes, not all 15yr olds are the same. But vince u need to stfu and keep to urself. You're an aged out of shape man who has questionable ethics and you're debating with a teacher on this crap? You can say anything want, but teens for the most part don't know everything and may do stupid things. Most 18yr olds still don't know jack.
I just turned 21 and i work with kids who are 13-17. I feel like i'm 40 around them and I'm very immature.
There are guys that know how to restrain themselves and those that are just completely fucked up. That is why there is civil in civilization. There is no such thing as a high-er moral ground... you either have them or you don't.
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Where is the liberal thinking here? Most posters sound like they have been listening to Oprah or Dr Phil. What a bunch of hypocrites. Just because there are laws doesn't mean those laws are right. Have a think about the legal age young people can buy alcohol. That varies a lot. Same goes for interest in sex. Teenagers mature at different ages. To call someone a pedophile because he had sex with a precocious 15 year old is not what that word means.
I have seen parents worry about their daughters and have no clue that some are already women. Others see it and often these teenagers are sexually active.
The point re the photographer was the parents alerted the police and that is when the law stepped in. It doesn't sound like the teenager minded at all and cooperated and even deceived her parents to see the couple.
On the one hand we have the most crass bunch of assholes on the internet when it comes to how they collectively treat women or talk about them or to them on this forum. It is disgusting. Now some of those same dorks are pulling the morality bullshit and pontificating about right and wrong. I doubt America will ever be rational when it comes to attitudes about sex. As a nation you are so uptight and always have been.
Do we have to have that dickhead Leafy Bug on this adult forum? His attacks on Onlyme are way beyond what is civil.
Hi pedophile! :D
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15 is pretty young but i do think a chick hits her physical prime somewhere between 17 - 19
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I was the loudest one (well, along with goatboy) questioning the sanity of a 10-year old performing an adult routine in adult clothes to "I'm so hot" or some nonsense like that.
Just like this photog Ellis...
It's exposing kids to a world at way too young an age. Yes, the 10-year old can have perfectly good intentions just to dance. But chances are, that 10-year old performed at a lot of shows where Ellis and others just like him, were backstage snapping away.
Age 10 is close to 15. If ellis (and others like him) will have sick 3-ways with 15-year olds, it wouldn't take much for him to take a 10 year old home. They don't give a damn about breaking the law, messing up a kid's head, etc.
The minute you say it's "okay" for him to nail a 15-year old, you open up the door to 14, 13, 12, 11, and 10 year olds. It's NEVER okay.
was it you or the gimmick that is you ::)
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I agree that a 15 year old should be able to comprehend what she's doing to a degree, and because it's not a case of rape, the judgement of the "victim" has to come into play..
And for the record, I am 21, and I would fucking nail some of the 15-16 year olf high school chicks I see out in Long Island. They're fair game if they consent.
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15 is pretty young but i do think a chick hits her physical prime somewhere between 17 - 19
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No, those are the years they are pretty broken in by. :D Maybe if females weren't such sluts today, waiting until they were 21 would be fine. Instead, you better get crackin' or you'll be getting 3rd hand pussy when they're 18.
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You are intrigued by the Jason Ellis story.
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You are intrigued by the Jason Ellis story.
I am, it is true.
Will he recover?
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Wow,I missed this thread.............can`t beleive Vince Basiles viewpoints on this...........seek help Basile!
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Ive fucked a few 15 yr olds, Back in the day.
Good old times, now 17 is prime meat!
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(http://77.247.179.169/images/full/41/120/1204803238.jpg)
(http://77.247.179.169/images/full/41/170/1705843636.jpg)
If this wanted to have sex with you.
NO ONE WOULD SAY NO.
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(http://77.247.179.169/images/full/41/107/107825122.jpg)
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Thank your liberal governor Arnold for that one.
I agree, he's a POS as a Gov.
Haha... They could do it long before Arnold was Governor.
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(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f290/ContraNatura/jailbait.jpg)
(http://www.demotivatorblog.com/wp-content/plugins/yapb/cache/1175879494jailbait9dx7.d1ana7sl0v2hkws8k4cwosgow.ap2qhjyqp09kw0wsksk0cksk4.th.jpeg)
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee281/always__willing/jailbait.jpg)
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great pics, good times.
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any pics of this 15 year old shit yet?
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any pics of this 15 year old shit yet?
Allegedly, he took many.
PM him - see if he's in the sharing mood.
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(http://www.dailypilot.com/content/articles/2008/07/08/publicsafety/dpt-ellis070908.jpg)
this is where I would pull my gun and waste his Brain everywhere. would that be a bad thing?
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15 year old teenage girls are not kids. I don't buy that. It is a waste of time trying to have an intellectual discussion on this forum.
Hey ASSHOLE, you never had any kids did you!~
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looks like some very young ones near the bottom of the page, if convicted shoot the SCUM!
http://www.myspace.com/jasonellisphotography
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If you are interested in hiring Jason for a private shoot, please contact photography representative Michelle Hecker at 800-881-0609 or Michelle@Jasonellisphotography.com
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Here is our girl :o :
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His probably wasn't the first dick she's sucked.
:)
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he is not a bad looking guy, im sure he got plenty of women his age
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he is not a bad looking guy, im sure he got plenty of women his age
Exactly, she was probably lucky to suck his dick.
This guy photographs athletes for chrissakes; he's a step up for her.
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15 year old teenage girls are not kids. I don't buy that. It is a waste of time trying to have an intellectual discussion on this forum.
My god you are a sick old P.O.S. !
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if you aint fucked a 15 yr old you aint lived life
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if you aint fucked a 15 yr old you aint lived life
you sound like an awesome babysitter.
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(http://www.funnyforumpics.com/forums/bear/1/have-a-seat-chris-hanson.jpg)
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You would all hit it.........stop pretending you wouldn't.
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You would all hit it.........stop pretending you wouldn't.
Nope. a hot 17-year old could push up on me all she wanted. I'd politely excuse myself and wank in the nearest stall, problem solved.
Dude is looking at SEVEN YEARS in PRISON. imagine waking up in a federal penetentary for the next 2,555 days being labeled a sex offender? Age 33 to 40, he may be locked up.
For what? ten seconds of orgasm? 30 minutes of fun, a few times per week?
yes, they can be tempting, if you can look past the fact they're children. but man... SEVEN YEARS?
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I'm very surprised on how many pedophile types are
on this site.
15 is illegal period, end of story.
I don't give a fucking shit how the girl looks.
If you know she is 15, and you violate sexually,
you're a fucking pedophile, period.
You could change any law, and I would NEVER touch
a girl that young. I could barley touch a 20yr old!!
Sex with a pre-pubescent girl is pedophilia. Fifteen year olds regularly give birth.
This guy is a chicken hawk, not a pedophile.
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guys, when you're at a party and some young girl is all over you, excuse yourself, go to the bathroom, and crank one out.
when you return, you'll suddenly be in a much better position to make decisions. Remember:
Men should masturbate before making any decision in life regarding a woman.
With that bullet in your chamber, you're never 100% rational.
It's safe to say about 20 seconds after you bust, you are the wisest man on earth.
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guys, when you're at a party and some young girl is all over you, excuse yourself, go to the bathroom, and crank one out.
when you return, you'll suddenly be in a much better position to make decisions. Remember:
Men should masturbate before making any decision in life regarding a woman.
With that bullet in your chamber, you're never 100% rational.
It's safe to say about 20 seconds after you bust, you are the wisest man on earth.
YES..
have u ever fucked a girl then after you nut, you just feel disgusted with the female, you dont touch her, you dont look at her, you just leave or make excuses for her to get the fuck out.
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That's the girl? What bothers me most is where the FUK was this girls parents while she was posing for this guy looking like a little whore!!!!! No way in Hell my 15 year old daughter would be allowed to do this. It is sad that these girls are taught at a young age how to use the sexuality to get what they want. I have no quarrel that if this guy had intercourse with her it was illegal for the record.
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That's the girl? What bothers me most is where the FUK was this girls parents
I think the parents paid for the PI to bust his ass....
Between August 2007 and June, Ellis took the girl on dates to movies and dinner, kissing and touching her in public, Emami said.
Hecker allegedly helped Ellis gain the trust of the girl's parents, picking her up from her home supposedly for horseback riding or some other activity.
But prosecutors say she took the girl to meet Ellis at the Fashion Island mall and drove her home later.
To hide what the two were doing, Hecker allegedly had the girl wear riding clothes when she picked her up or dropped her off, Emami said.
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I think the parents paid for the PI to bust his ass....
Between August 2007 and June, Ellis took the girl on dates to movies and dinner, kissing and touching her in public, Emami said.
Hecker allegedly helped Ellis gain the trust of the girl's parents, picking her up from her home supposedly for horseback riding or some other activity.
But prosecutors say she took the girl to meet Ellis at the Fashion Island mall and drove her home later.
To hide what the two were doing, Hecker allegedly had the girl wear riding clothes when she picked her up or dropped her off, Emami said.
So yor telling me that they had no idea these pics existed or that any photos were being taken at all? Maybe they should have read Getbig more often. I mean they didn't seem too hard to find and it doesn't seem that he wanted them kept a secret since they have his name on them?? Why hire a PI? Didn't they know what this guy did for a living? If they thought that something wasn't kosher then they should have acted more like responsible parents.
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So yor telling me that they had no idea these pics existed or that any photos were being taken at all? Maybe they should have read Getbig more often. I mean they didn't seem too hard to find and it doesn't seem that he wanted them kept a secret since they have his name on them?? Why hire a PI? Didn't they know what this guy did for a living? If they thought that something wasn't kosher then they should have acted more like responsible parents.
i dunno. i'm guessing they suspected it, and they wanted to see the guy defiling their kid getting assraped in jail for 7 years. I mean, they could have called him out and it would have stopped, but he would have gotten away with it. Maybe they thought letting it happen for a bit and getting evidence would get the prick out of her life forever, and maybe get him a little man on man shower loving as punishment.
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And another thing. If her parents thought that something was going on, why hire a PI and let this girl get fucked a bunch more times by a 35 year old man?? If I thought for one second that my 15 yr old daughter was getting fucked by a 35 yr old man I certainly would want it stopped immediately!!! Going to the police and getting a restraining order is what I would have done and pronto.
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i dunno. i'm guessing they suspected it, and they wanted to see the guy defiling their kid getting assraped in jail for 7 years. I mean, they could have called him out and it would have stopped, but he would have gotten away with it. Maybe they thought letting it happen for a bit and getting evidence would get the prick out of her life forever, and maybe get him a little man on man shower loving as punishment.
Yep great decision, let your daughter get raped a dozen or more times so this guy can get his at your daughters expense no less. ???
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This is the "15-year-old"?? She looks old enough to walk into a bar without getting carded. I'd do her. So would everyone else here. ::)
Bet she won't come to court looking like that.
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This is the "15-year-old"?? She looks old enough to walk into a bar without getting carded. I'd do her. So would everyone else here. ::)
That's what i said. Sure, if you actually knew she was 15, maybe it would be a different story. But on looks alone, all here would hit it.
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That's what i said. Sure, if you actually knew she was 15, maybe it would be a different story. But on looks alone, all here would hit it.
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he knew she was 15 and kept telling her mom that they were driving her to hoseback lessons. Then, he and his woman would bang her and take pics. Nice.
She's hot, but mentally, she's just a shady kid. You can't hit it. If you can hit a 15 year old, then why not 14, 13, 12...
She's not mentally all there. Lying to mommy about horse lessons, come on. They have to walk away from temptation. that girl, at 15, knows what it's like to be tagteamed and scream for the camera. What sort of fvcked up life is she looking at?
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he knew she was 15 and kept telling her mom that they were driving her to hoseback lessons. Then, he and his woman would bang her and take pics. Nice.
She's hot, but mentally, she's just a shady kid. You can't hit it. If you can hit a 15 year old, then why not 14, 13, 12...
She's not mentally all there. Lying to mommy about horse lessons, come on. They have to walk away from temptation. that girl, at 15, knows what it's like to be tagteamed and scream for the camera. What sort of fvcked up life is she looking at?
Come on Rob, when I was 17 I certainly was scoping out girls my age and maybe as young as 15, but 12?? It's common sense and 99% of people would not be sexually attracted to a 12 yr old. I was no more sexually attracted to a 12 yr old then than I am now which is zero!
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Come on Rob, when I was 17 I certainly was scoping out girls my age and maybe as young as 15, but 12?? It's common sense and 99% of people would not be sexually attracted to a 12 yr old. I was no more sexually attracted to a 12 yr old then than I am now which is zero!
i'm saying that it's hard to draw the line. the minute you make it okay for someone to bang a 15 year old, you'll have folks that want to nail a 14 year old. slippery slope.
Keep it 18. There are a lot of 18 and 19 year olds in this world. men can skip the 15 year olds. They look like adults, but mentally, they're still simple kids.
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i'm saying that it's hard to draw the line.
Not for me it wasn't. When I was 22 I had a 15 year old girl tell me to my face that she wanted to fuck me. She was very pretty girl who won a few teen pageants at the time. Now, years later when she was an adult I saw her again. That time things were different. ;D
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i'm saying that it's hard to draw the line. the minute you make it okay for someone to bang a 15 year old, you'll have folks that want to nail a 14 year old. slippery slope.
Keep it 18. There are a lot of 18 and 19 year olds in this world. men can skip the 15 year olds. They look like adults, but mentally, they're still simple kids.
100% agree
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if they want it they can have it. simple as that.
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Sex with a pre-pubescent girl is pedophilia. Fifteen year olds regularly give birth.
This guy is a chicken hawk, not a pedophile.
FINALLY! Finally someone defines what pedophilia is! There's a huge, huge difference between banging a young girl, even a teen, and a prepubescent child.
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allegedly -
he knew she was 15 and kept telling her mom that they were driving her to hoseback lessons. Then, he and his woman would bang her and take pics. Nice.
She's hot, but mentally, she's just a shady kid. You can't hit it. If you can hit a 15 year old, then why not 14, 13, 12...
She's not mentally all there. Lying to mommy about horse lessons, come on. They have to walk away from temptation. that girl, at 15, knows what it's like to be tagteamed and scream for the camera. What sort of fvcked up life is she looking at?
There is a difference between 15 and 12. Again it's a matter of when someone reaches sexual maturity. And I'm sure a 15 year old is mentally "not all there" in the sense of maturity but that applies to pretty much.... make that -- ALL -- the women in America. OK, make that 97%.
I garan-damn-tee you that 15 year old was no angel and it's obvious the guy was stupid but don't equate being a dog with being a pedophile. It diminishes the true sickness that pedophilia is.
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Okay. So a few of you are saying 15 is okay.
Is 14 okay - yes or no?
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Okay. So a few of you are saying 15 is okay.
Is 14 okay - yes or no?
depends on what she looks like and how badly she wants the penis Rob.
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Okay. So a few of you are saying 15 is okay.
Is 14 okay - yes or no?
noo, 15 is the limit
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depends on what she looks like and how badly she wants the penis Rob.
LMAO...
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Okay. So a few of you are saying 15 is okay.
Is 14 okay - yes or no?
Serious question, what if that 15 year pictured told you she was 19, would you ask for an ID?
Just to be clear I don't think 40 year olds should be banging teenagers but teens are not as naive and stupid as you make them out to be. A friend of mine went to jail for nailing a 13 year old. He was 30. Whe I heard that not only was I pissed at him and I was glad that he went to jail. But then I got the "rest of the story." She told she was 19 years old and when I saw her, and if you saw her, you would never in a million years believe she was anywhere near 13 years old. She got mad at him because he wanted to "break up" and then set him up with the cops taping calls and saving emails and text msg.
She was never coerced and she knew what she was doing. And it turns out she was bragging to her friends that she had a 30 year old boyfriend.
You seem like a good guy 240 and I see where you're coming from and the photographer is scum but that girl ain't no naive angel that was being manipulated. I wouldn't be surprised if she was trying to use him to further her career.
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Serious question, what if that 15 year pictured told you she was 19, would you ask for an ID?
Just to be clear I don't think 40 year olds should be banging teenagers but teens are not as naive and stupid as you make them out to be. A friend of mine went to jail for nailing a 13 year old. He was 30. Whe I heard that not only was I pissed at him and I was glad that he went to jail. But then I got the "rest of the story." She told she was 19 years old and when I saw her, and if you saw her, you would never in a million years believe she was anywhere near 13 years old. She got mad at him because he wanted to "break up" and then set him up with the cops taping calls and saving emails and text msg.
She was never coerced and she knew what she was doing. And it turns out she was bragging to her friends that she had a 30 year old boyfriend.
You seem like a good guy 240 and I see where you're coming from and the photographer is scum but that girl ain't no naive angel that was being manipulated. I wouldn't be surprised if she was trying to use him to further her career.
she looks like trash to me, to be honest, and she jumped in the sack with them quite willingly.
however, dude knew she was 15, he knew the law and the consequences, and he didn't give a shit. If you don't like the law, change it, or move to a place where it's legal.
If a girl was looking anywhere near under 20, i'd find a way to to check that ID before i boned her. and you won't go to prison for 7 years for a chick lying to you at a party - you will go to prison for hiding the relationship from her mom and photgraphing her naked in bed with you and the wifey.
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she looks like trash to me, to be honest, and she jumped in the sack with them quite willingly.
however, dude knew she was 15, he knew the law and the consequences, and he didn't give a shit. If you don't like the law, change it, or move to a place where it's legal.
If a girl was looking anywhere near under 20, i'd find a way to to check that ID before i boned her. and you won't go to prison for 7 years for a chick lying to you at a party - you will go to prison for hiding the relationship from her mom and photgraphing her naked in bed with you and the wifey.
You are correct about this particular case since he knew she was 15. The argument, or so I thought, was the difference between a pedophile and a dog. And how you can't always tell a woman's, or anybody for that matter, age just by looking at them.
If you are sincere, and I will take you at your word, that you will check an ID, then you are a better man than me. That's somethiing that never occurred to me. I figure I could always tell if someone was under 18 but I've just contradicted myself by my previous argument so you have given me a different perspective on things.
I just don't like the common practice of equating a pedophile with someone who bangs 15 year olds. It just diminishes the horrible crime and, dare I say, moral sin, of robbing the innocence of a child. I don't consider a pedophile so much as one who is sick in the sense of having a disease but more like a monster. One who has no moral conscious, decency and any sense of right and wrong. Simply a brutal animal masquerading as a human being.
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yeah, i agree most folks who hit a 15 year old wouldn't know about it. and they woudln't get 7 years for it - it would be a case of 'why was this girl trashed at a party spreading her legs and lying about it' and it'd get settled with probation to save the young idiot the trial.
Still, the thought of a 65 year old man plowing a 15 year old, to me, is pedophelia. A 33-year old, less, but still despicable. 18 year old, yeah that's way different.
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yeah, i agree most folks who hit a 15 year old wouldn't know about it. and they woudln't get 7 years for it - it would be a case of 'why was this girl trashed at a party spreading her legs and lying about it' and it'd get settled with probation to save the young idiot the trial.
Still, the thought of a 65 year old man plowing a 15 year old, to me, is pedophelia.
It's wrong, but, it's not pedophilia.
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It's wrong, but, it's not pedophilia.
Exactly! Remember that post of Hugh Hefner with those 19 year old twins? He's 85 years old. Meaning those girls were still in diapers when Hef was shuffling around in his bath robe at 70.
Don't equate a child with a post pubescent. There's a huge difference. Don't get caught up in what you find disgraceful, disgusting, gross or wrong with something that is immoral and a sin against nature and God.
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yeah, i agree most folks who hit a 15 year old wouldn't know about it. and they woudln't get 7 years for it - it would be a case of 'why was this girl trashed at a party spreading her legs and lying about it' and it'd get settled with probation to save the young idiot the trial.
Still, the thought of a 65 year old man plowing a 15 year old, to me, is pedophelia. A 33-year old, less, but still despicable. 18 year old, yeah that's way different.
There are plenty of sites out there with very old guys prob 70 or more that are fuking 18 year old girls. While the "thought" of it makes me kinda sick, it is legal. My buddies grandparents got married when they were 15 and 16. The stayed married for over 60 years. What has changed since then? Surely not the people, but the law has. The government decides how old a vagina can be to have a penis in it. So if a 25 year old guy sleeps with a 17 year old girl it's rape or at the very least as in this case contributing to a minor or something to that degree. On the other hand "children" as young as 11 have been tried for murder as an adult and have gone to adult prison. So I guess it is not as clear cut as we think or as it should be as to what defines an adult.
From what I have seen thru out my life girls it's around the age of 14 that girls start to know what sex is and in some case are having sex. This is when our bodies are "naturally" changing and are telling us that we are ready to procreate. If anyone has an issue with this then I guess you need to take it up with God. Rob had asked how young is too young. When I was in 8th grade one of my classmates got pregnant. This girl was not a slut she had a boyfriend and one thing led to another. In this case things turned out pretty good as she had the baby and believe it or not the two of them stayed together well beyond high school. Of course this may not have been what Rob meant. Personally as as said before once I was 18 all minors were of limits as far as I was concerned. IF the law back in my day and 17 was legal would I have? Probabley, but no matter what the law when I was 17 I would not have sex with someone under the age of 16 even if it was legal as it just seems morally wrong to me.
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i used to each 8th grade at a poor school. I had the low math (remedial) class, so it was the worst of the worst. Classroom full of 13 and 14 year olds.
They were kids. Some carried handguns, some sold drugs, many of them were having sex. Two of them were rumored to have had lezbo action for $ for others to view. One was HIV positive. One had an abortion that year.
You looked at them, and they looked like adults. hoochies, sure. But they looked like adults. Dressed more whore-ish than college girls did. But when you spend time with them - they're not "all there" yet. They're still really naive, immature, and dumb on a lot of consequences. Their brains don't have that cognitive ability yet - to see consequences, or to separate emotion from actions.
They are still kids at 14 and 15. They might be fvckable - but they're still kids, mentally. They might be shrewd, they might be smart, they might be more experienced than a 30 year old. But their cognitive processes are still that of kids.
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i used to each 8th grade at a poor school. I had the low math (remedial) class, so it was the worst of the worst. Classroom full of 13 and 14 year olds.
They were kids. Some carried handguns, some sold drugs, many of them were having sex. Two of them were rumored to have had lezbo action for $ for others to view. One was HIV positive. One had an abortion that year.
You looked at them, and they looked like adults. hoochies, sure. But they looked like adults. Dressed more whore-ish than college girls did. But when you spend time with them - they're not "all there" yet. They're still really naive, immature, and dumb on a lot of consequences. Their brains don't have that cognitive ability yet - to see consequences, or to separate emotion from actions.
They are still kids at 14 and 15. They might be fvckable - but they're still kids, mentally. They might be shrewd, they might be smart, they might be more experienced than a 30 year old. But their cognitive processes are still that of kids.
Can't argue with you on that. I know EXACTLY what type of kids you had to teach and the sad part is they will never be "all there" even when they are adults. It's a never ending cycle. Pretty sad. BTW, how much $ did you put in the pool for the lesbo show? Sorry, couldn't resist. ;D
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Men should masturbate before making any decision in life regarding a woman.
With that bullet in your chamber, you're never 100% rational.
It's safe to say about 20 seconds after you bust, you are the wisest man on earth.
Your a wise man 240 ;)
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Can't argue with you on that. I know EXACTLY what type of kids you had to teach and the sad part is they will never be "all there" even when they are adults. It's a never ending cycle. Pretty sad. BTW, how much $ did you put in the pool for the lesbo show? Sorry, couldn't resist. ;D
lol.... i tossed in a king's ransom :)
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lol.... i tossed in a king's ransom :)
Now you done it!! King is already on the phone with his lawyer. OMG I'm killin me. ;D
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Now you done it!! King is already on the phone with his lawyer. OMG I'm killin me. ;D
lol... in that case, it sounds like the lawyer is the one doing all the pwning here. ;)
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guys on this site are pretty sad, gotta to say it, I see you guys either post pics of photoshopped freak shows or talk about nailing underage girls, what the fuck is wrong with normal natural women your own age, Why cant your dick work for them?. whats the problem here?
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guys on this site are pretty sad, gotta to say it, I see you guys either post pics of photoshopped freak shows or talk about nailing underage girls, what the fuck is wrong with normal natural women your own age, Why cant your dick work for them?. whats the problem here?
arn't you gay ?
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guys on this site are pretty sad, gotta to say it, I see you guys either post pics of photoshopped freak shows or talk about nailing underage girls, what the fuck is wrong with normal natural women your own age, Why cant your dick work for them?. whats the problem here?
to much teen porn
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guys on this site are pretty sad, gotta to say it, I see you guys either post pics of photoshopped freak shows or talk about nailing underage girls, what the fuck is wrong with normal natural women your own age, Why cant your dick work for them?. whats the problem here?
could be: retarded maturation, poor self-esteem, victims of child abuse themselves, sexual addiction, addiction to pornography, excited by doing something illegal; all garden variety disorders
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Ah, this thread has changed since photos of the victim were posted.
People on this thread are mixing up concepts and then making moral judgements based on various definitions or concepts. No wonder so many disagree.
It makes all the difference what a child, kid, teen, etc., is. Are some teens kids? All depends on how you mean it.
For example, what is an adult as far as going to the cinema? In Australia it is 13 I think. That is a different idea of what an adult is.
Some confuse what various people look like as the criterion for acceptability. In law that is seldom the case.
There are a couple of issues not discussed here. Would it be okay for a 15 year old teenage lad to have sex with a 35 year old woman? I doubt many would disapprove or call it sexual abuse.
What about viewing things from a 15 year old's point of view? Do some teens consider they are mature enough to behave like adults?
A last point. If we insist that people be mature before being able to engage in sex then I imagine there are plenty of people over 18 who don't qualify.
It amazes me how moralistic so many are on Getbig. They knock others using any means at all then think they are mature enough to discuss ethics.
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Ah, this thread has changed since photos of the victim were posted.
People on this thread are mixing up concepts and then making moral judgements based on various definitions or concepts. No wonder so many disagree.
It makes all the difference what a child, kid, teen, etc., is. Are some teens kids? All depends on how you mean it.
For example, what is an adult as far as going to the cinema? In Australia it is 13 I think. That is a different idea of what an adult is.
Some confuse what various people look like as the criterion for acceptability. In law that is seldom the case.
There are a couple of issues not discussed here. Would it be okay for a 15 year old teenage lad to have sex with a 35 year old woman? I doubt many would disapprove or call it sexual abuse.
What about viewing things from a 15 year old's point of view? Do some teens consider they are mature enough to behave like adults?
A last point. If we insist that people be mature before being able to engage in sex then I imagine there are plenty of people over 18 who don't qualify.
It amazes me how moralistic so many are on Getbig. They knock others using any means at all then think they are mature enough to discuss ethics.
Vince -
Would have have sex with a 13-year old girl?
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It amazes me how moralistic so many are on Getbig. They knock others using any means at all then think they are mature enough to discuss ethics.
Ah, Moses has stepped down from the mountain to give us the Word.
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Gym owners should be wary about publicly condoning underage sex.
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Vince -
Would have have sex with a 13-year old girl?
he might say: as a disciple of margaret mead the answer is yes
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Lots of sick pedophiles in this thread. >:(
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Vince -
Would have have sex with a 13-year old girl?
i would if it was legal.. ;D
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arn't you gay ?
I am fatpanda and that is why I am so confused, I dont understand why you guys are not interested in normal everyday women, instead I see a lot of guys obsessed with photoshop pics, fake titted girls trying to look like photoshop pics and underage girls. both have to do with extremism, immaturity and stunted development.
Real women your own age are what you need and until you form healthy relationships with them you will never feel complete as a man, you will probably end up alone and hating them. Chasing fantasy fetishes is a dead end.
just trying to help.
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I always rape my muscle models.... but they are always well past 15. ;D
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I always rape my muscle models.... but they are always well past 15. ;D
You can't rape musclebreasts :D
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You can't rape musclebreasts :D
Why not? A little rohypnol goes a long way. ;D
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I am fatpanda and that is why I am so confused, I dont understand why you guys are not interested in normal everyday women, instead I see a lot of guys obsessed with photoshop pics, fake titted girls trying to look like photoshop pics and underage girls. both have to do with extremism, immaturity and stunted development.
Real women your own age are what you need and until you form healthy relationships with them you will never feel complete as a man, you will probably end up alone and hating them. Chasing fantasy fetishes is a dead end.
just trying to help.
there is nothing natural in wanting someone who is not young, healthy and in their prime. i know a few gay gays and the ones i know fvck 14 year olds :-X
i agree that healthy relationships are founded on similar mental levels, maturity, interests etc
but there is no denying the girl is hot, she is attractive, and she sounds like she was happy to fvck this couple.
if she was 18 ( and could pass for it) there would be nothing said.
age is just a number, your own coincience knows whats right and wrong.
when i was 21 i had a just turned 16 year old girlfriend, it was fantastic. sex was amazing, wild and everything you could imagine. some raised eyebrows, and felt it was inappropriate, but i live by my own morals. i did not force her into anything, i did not trick her, she was not threatened or dominated by me, if anything she was the dominant one and went after me. in the end i am only human and a hot piece of ass is a hot piece of ass.
we lasted 2 years, not the dirty booty call people thought it was at first. eventually different ages, interests etc broke us up, but i will never forget the sex or the bj's :)
good times
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If we are only in the 17-18 range do we still have a chance at this ;D
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PLease tell me that this girl does not have breast implants?
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I wonder if she shaves her snatch for all these photo shoots.
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If we are only in the 17-18 range do we still have a chance at this ;D
No, she probably dates only 20 +
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i used to each 8th grade at a poor school. I had the low math (remedial) class, so it was the worst of the worst. Classroom full of 13 and 14 year olds.
They were kids. Some carried handguns, some sold drugs, many of them were having sex. Two of them were rumored to have had lezbo action for $ for others to view. One was HIV positive. One had an abortion that year.
You looked at them, and they looked like adults. hoochies, sure. But they looked like adults. Dressed more whore-ish than college girls did. But when you spend time with them - they're not "all there" yet. They're still really naive, immature, and dumb on a lot of consequences. Their brains don't have that cognitive ability yet - to see consequences, or to separate emotion from actions.
They are still kids at 14 and 15. They might be fvckable - but they're still kids, mentally. They might be shrewd, they might be smart, they might be more experienced than a 30 year old. But their cognitive processes are still that of kids.
So these kids would probably believe the official 9/11 story... :-\
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I am fatpanda and that is why I am so confused, I dont understand why you guys are not interested in normal everyday women, instead I see a lot of guys obsessed with photoshop pics, fake titted girls trying to look like photoshop pics and underage girls. both have to do with extremism, immaturity and stunted development.
Real women your own age are what you need and until you form healthy relationships with them you will never feel complete as a man, you will probably end up alone and hating them. Chasing fantasy fetishes is a dead end.
just trying to help.
After reading the faulty reasoning and half-baked logic of this post, I thought for sure it was written by a woman, but, I guess a gay man is close enough.
That an older man would have sex with a younger woman doesnt' mean that wouldn't have sex with a woman his own age. It's possible that he would have sex with both. In addition, sex and relationships are two separate issues. Most men would have sex with lots of annoying women with whom they'd want no part of a relationship.
Your contention that wanting to have sex with an woman who is at the peak of her fertility is a fetish, is equally absurd. Britney Spears younger sister and Sarah Palin's daughter didn't get pregneant by fluke, they were ready. In fact, I would bet that in ancient times the average age that a women became preggers was fifteen.
Life, at its core, is about survival and reproduction. A normal man will want to reproduce with any woman who is post-pubescent, unless she's physically repulsive.
But that's not the issue at hand. It's whether or not this Ellis character is a pedo or just a sleazebag. Rob seems to believe the former. Others, myself included believe the latter.
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After reading the faulty reasoning and half-baked logic of this post, I thought for sure it was written by a woman, but, I guess a gay man is close enough.
That an older man would have sex with a younger woman doesnt' mean that wouldn't have sex with a woman his own age. It's possible that he would have sex with both. In addition, sex and relationships are two separate issues. Most men would have sex with lots of annoying women with whom they'd want no part of a relationship.
Your contention that wanting to have sex with an woman who is at the peak of her fertility is a fetish, is equally absurd. Britney Spears younger sister and Sarah Palin's daughter didn't get pregneant by fluke, they were ready. In fact, I would bet that in ancient times the average age that a women became preggers was fifteen.
Life, at its core, is about survival and reproduction. A normal man will want to reproduce with any woman who is post-pubescent, unless she's physically repulsive.
But that's not the issue at hand. It's whether or not this Ellis character is a pedo or just a sleazebag. Rob seems to believe the former. Others, myself included believe the latter.
Very good. Very good, indeed. You would think this would be obvious. Like a previous poster said: a pedo is having sex with a PREpubescent child. Get it right!
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well the law is the law, what do you want me to do change it for you? As a society we have to draw the line in the sand with the best knowledge we have to date...If science proves that kids under 18 yrs of age cannot handle intimate relationships with adults, that it fucks them up and it is bad for them and society then how can you guys keep defending it. Until you can prove otherwise stick with women your own age.
half-baked logic my ass.
thanks
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well the law is the law, what do you want me to do change it for you? As a society we have to draw the line in the sand with the best knowledge we have to date...If science proves that kids under 18 yrs of age cannot handle intimate relationships with adults, that it fucks them up and it is bad for them and society then how can you guys keep defending it. Until you can prove otherwise stick with women your own age.
half-baked logic my ass.
thanks
I don't think anyone is disputing the fact that what he did is illegal and he broke the law. Just don't conflate what is illegal with what is immoral.
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still no pics??
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well the law is the law, what do you want me to do change it for you? As a society we have to draw the line in the sand with the best knowledge we have to date...If science proves that kids under 18 yrs of age cannot handle intimate relationships with adults, that it fucks them up and it is bad for them and society then how can you guys keep defending it. Until you can prove otherwise stick with women your own age.
half-baked logic my ass.
thanks
QFT
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There are plenty of sites out there with very old guys prob 70 or more that are fuking 18 year old girls.
Aside from minors (illegal, wrong), and 70 yr olds with teenagers, what is an appropriate age-gap in todays society? We see 40 yr olds with 20 yr olds, etc...
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as long is everyone is an adult its ok although when it is more than 20 yrs it is suspect, I mean why can't Tom Cruise relate to a women in her 40's, because a women in her 20's is way more impressionalbe and controlable. thats pretty pathetic. HE needs to overpower someone in order to relate to them.
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still no pics??
Pics of the two fucking? Not yet, but pics of her were posted here http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=223017.msg3597002#msg3597002
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Aside from minors (illegal, wrong), and 70 yr olds with teenagers, what is an appropriate age-gap in todays society? We see 40 yr olds with 20 yr olds, etc...
Well, I don't know about you guys but if I can be like Hef and snagged some 19 yr twin hotties at 85 yrs I wouldn't give a crap what anybody says or thinks. If you like 50, 60, 70 year old boards then more power to you. And there's different ways to relate to different people of all ages. Those of you with little kids, don't you relate to them on a certain level? I see some people relate to their parrot more than their brother or sister. I doubt Hefner is discussing the origins of ethical monetheism with those teen babes.
There's a reason why men are attracted to younger women (and I don't mean tweens or children). It's because they look better. Isn't it obvious that as people age they start to deteriorate and become less attractive? Sure, some hold on longer. I think Stallone looks get "for his age." But he looked better in his 30's and early 40's. That Suzanne Summers fought the good fight (though I don't know how much make up played a role) but age gets us all in the end.
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Nature dictates that women are ready for sex when they start menstruation.
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Our country is in a sad state when it is illegal for a man to put his penis in that. :'(
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=223017.0;attach=296365;image)
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Our country is in a sad state when it is illegal for a man to put his penis in that. :'(
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=223017.0;attach=296365;image)
It's legal in many countries - Sweden for instance.
Europe and the rest of the modern world are more progressive than the United States.
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It's legal in many countries - Sweden for instance.
Europe and the rest of the modern world are more progressive than the United States.
in america people are in great shock when they see a nipple on tv. they still live in the middle ages.
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in america people are in great shock when they see a nipple on tv. they still live in the middle ages.
QFT.
But it's ok to show people getting murdered, and it's important to fight homosexual marriage and promote intelligent design.
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QFT.
But it's ok to show people getting murdered, and it's important to fight homosexual marriage and promote intelligent design.
yes very sick country.
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yes very sick country.
Sick and dumbed down.
Absolutely.
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It's legal in many countries - Sweden for instance.
Europe and the rest of the modern world are more progressive than the United States.
So you are saying that if I took her on vacation to Sweden I could stick my fist in her ass and piss in her mouth as long as I did it on their soil?. . . . . . Logging on to my travelocity account right now! :P
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as long is everyone is an adult its ok although when it is more than 20 yrs it is suspect, I mean why can't Tom Cruise relate to a women in her 40's, because a women in her 20's is way more impressionalbe and controlable. thats pretty pathetic. HE needs to overpower someone in order to relate to them.
true.
but sometimes you can overpower someone who' s as old as you or older too.
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true.
but sometimes you can overpower someone who' s as old as you or older too.
And there are those that want to be overpowered by someone. Take Bluto and Mentzer for example (sry Blut)
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Our country is in a sad state when it is illegal for a man to put his penis in that. :'(
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=223017.0;attach=296365;image)
I think you can be sure that some penises has already found their way into that. And, from the looks of things, many more are to come. Daddy must be so proud.
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QFT.
But it's ok to show people getting murdered, and it's important to fight homosexual marriage and promote intelligent design.
I don't know if it's an accurate analogy to compare violence with sex. Say you had a child that was, I don't know, 13, 14, 15 yrs; what would bother you more, knowing they got into a fight or that they were having sex? I don't how often you see real killings on public and commercial TV. You have to go on the net to get those beheadings and stonings. You do see it of course in drama. But watching someone get shot in CSI is different than watching porn -- people actually having sex. In the first case you know it's not real but in the case of porn, it is real in the sense that it's real sex, the guy is blowing his load (which inevitably seems to wind up all over the girl's face). I don't think a six year old will lose their innocence watching the Road Runner get blown up. I think it will have detrimental effect if they saw some whore getting a major pounding up the pooper.
This is just one White man's opinion.
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I don't know if it's an accurate analogy to compare violence with sex. Say you had a child that was, I don't know, 13, 14, 15 yrs; what would bother you more, knowing they got into a fight or that they were having sex? I don't how often you see real killings on public and commercial TV. You have to go on the net to get those beheadings and stonings. You do see it of course in drama. But watching someone get shot in CSI is different than watching porn -- people actually having sex. In the first case you know it's not real but in the case of porn, it is real in the sense that it's real sex, the guy is blowing his load (which inevitably seems to wind up all over the girl's face). I don't think a six year old will lose their innocence watching the Road Runner get blown up. I think it will have detrimental effect if they saw some whore getting a major pounding up the pooper.
This is just one White man's opinion.
To answer your question, I would have a bigger problem if I had a child that behaved violently.
Violence leads people to prison or death; sex leads to life, if practiced safely.
I'm not sure what it means to "lose their innocence".
In this particular case, we're talking about a girl that willingly went with this guy and put her mouth on his dick.
If she was innocent, the idea of doing that probably would've freaked her out. So clearly she's not innocent.
She must have had some familiarity with it.
Laws aren't going to stop this sort of activity - the same way laws don't stop people from drinking underaged.
We need less laws and better parenting. The only thing that can stop this behavior is good parenting.
This situation is a symptom of a hypocritical, sick society.
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I think you can be sure that some penises has already found their way into that. And, from the looks of things, many more are to come. Daddy must be so proud.
I have seen alot of girls like this when i managed a Abercrombie and you have to be 18+ to work there and i would try to pick out girls that i wanted there and the would be 15,16,17 and look like this but what he did is rape. These young women today walk around and look like they are 21+ and whenever i do have kids, no way i would let them out of the house looking the way i saw and seen so many girls walk in my store.
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To answer your question, I would have a bigger problem if I had a child that behaved violently.
Violence leads people to prison or death; sex leads to life, if practiced safely.
I'm not sure what it means to "lose their innocence".
In this particular case, we're talking about a girl that willingly went with this guy and put her mouth on his dick.
If she was innocent, the idea of doing that probably would've freaked her out. So clearly she's not innocent.
She must have had some familiarity with it.
Laws aren't going to stop this sort of activity - the same way laws don't stop people from drinking underaged.
We need less laws and better parenting. The only thing that can stop this behavior is good parenting.
This situation is a symptom of a hypocritical, sick society.
Don't be silly. Of course laws act as a deterrent. If it was legal to have sex with preteens do you think we'd have more, less, or the same? Same for anything, be it murder, rape, drinking, drug use...
And violence can often be a good thing. It kept the Nazis from world conquest. The threat and the ability to use violence keeps a lot of punks at bay. Not everyone. Nothing is 100%. Do you know how to fight? Don't you think that's a good skill to know as a man?
In brief, a child (under 10 or so) is innocent. I didn't say good or bad. That's a separate issue. I said innocent. They lack that self awareness and judgementality that you get as you get older and need to survive. They are oblivious. What you see is what you get. No dark or devious side. When a person grows up they develop a public life, a private life and a secret life. Not so with a six year old.
There's more to it than that but you have to read books.
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Don't be silly. Of course laws act as a deterrent. If it was legal to have sex with preteens do you think we'd have more, less, or the same? Same for anything, be it murder, rape, drinking, drug use...
Obviously laws act as a deterrent. Your reading comprehension fails or you're twisting my words. Don't twist my words. I said laws won't stop it. The real question: Why should we stop something that is perfectly natural? The result is, a man's life is ruined because the parents couldn't keep their daughter from dressing like a slut and absorbing American media. If it was legal to do something perfectly natural, the products of good parenting will go about their business living as they were raised;
forcible rape will continue to be prosecuted, and photographers will continue to fuck sluts without having their lives ruined.
Sounds like a better option to me. That's the way it is in most of the world.
And violence can often be a good thing. It kept the Nazis from world conquest. The threat and the ability to use violence keeps a lot of punks at bay. Not everyone. Nothing is 100%. Do you know how to fight? Don't you think that's a good skill to know as a man?
Yes I know how to fight and have had to defend myself. But if there weren't other violent people, then I wouldn't have to use violence to defend myself would I? Your point is silly. Violence necessitates violence. Intelligent, reasonable people, use violence as a last resort in their day-to-day interactions. Eventually genetic manipulation and natural selection will eliminate violent traits in the human species.
In brief, a child (under 10 or so) is innocent. I didn't say good or bad. That's a separate issue. I said innocent. They lack that self awareness and judgementality that you get as you get older and need to survive. They are oblivious. What you see is what you get. No dark or devious side. When a person grows up they develop a public life, a private life and a secret life. Not so with a six year old.
There's more to it than that but you have to read books.
The issue is a menstruating 15-year old, not a 10 year old.
Your reading comprehension is lacking so why should you read? You probably don't retain or understand half of the information you absorb.
I probably spent a couple thousand or more on books - not that it helps much. You'll read authors that agree with your preconceived notions of right and wrong. Authors have biases. Attack everything from different angles. It's most important to be able to reason and use common sense -
something you pretend you don't have I'm afraid.
How does it feel for you to be 100% wrong?
It sounds like you have a good familiarity with pornography seeing as you know guys cum all over the chick's face.
You sound like a typical hypocritical American moralist. You'll sell your children pornography then turn around and defend the innocence of a teen slut.
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I would rather my 13 yer old was fighting than having sex
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How does it feel for you to be 100% wrong?
It sounds like you have a good familiarity with pornography seeing as you know guys cum all over the chick's face.
You sound like a typical hypocritical American moralist. You'll sell your children pornography then turn around and defend the innocence of a teen slut.
Don't get your panties in a bunch girlfriend.
Your first point: apparently I did misunderstand you. We agree more than we disagree. It wasn't rape and I don't think he should go to jail like my friend did for having sex with a 13 year old (if you knew and saw this 13 year old the moralist on this board wouldn't think I'm a sicko and she lied about her age). I believe it's the responsibility of the parents to raise and protect their teen age girls. I am ambivalent about laws regarding the age of consent. I know I wouldn't want my 15 year old having sex with a 40 year old. But if it wasn't rape do I want guys thrown in jail for that? In most states two 16 year olds can have sex and it's OK. But if the guy is 19 than it's illegal. Huh?
Regarding your second point vis-a-vis violence. Sorry bud, this is the real world. There will always be evil and there will always be violence. It's the state of man and it ain't changing anytime soon. Best one learn to handle a gun and use his fists.
As for the third point, I'll ignore the gratuitous insults and I will say I agree with you regarding pre and post pubescent children. I thought I had made that abundantly clear. I was addressing the point about equating violence with sexual behavior.
There indeed has been some miscommunication. This is a long thread and ideas get lost and trying to keep track of who said what. There may be some difference of opinion as far as equating violence with sexual behavior but as far as I can see we don't differ much else on the other points. Just to reiterate, I don't like the idea of 40 year olds having consensual sex with a 15 year old. And I do believe a 15 year is not so naive and dumb that she doesn't know what she's doing. But just because I personally don't like something doesn't mean it should be illegal. If it wasn't rape I don't think anybody should be sent to jail. I hate to admit it, but when I saw that 13 year old that my friend had sex with and spent a few years behind bars I thought to myself, "There for the grace of God..." I mean, shoots, under certain circumstances that could have been me.
Yes, I am very familiar with porn. You? Just being on GetBig is a journey into the dark underbelly of perversion. Why do you think I'm here?
You Europeans. So emotional. I hope there's no hard feelings.
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I would rather my 13 yer old was fighting than having sex
You would rather your child take an unlucky punch to the temple and possibley die than to have sex?
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using that example isa as s illy as saying i would rather them take unlucky punch to temple or have sex catch aids and die.
People grow out of fighting wse up etc...be a slut early you are always a sliut.
People can get by and forgive and forget childish indiscretions etc...i know kids getting fucked at 12...known as sluts 2-3 kids now etc at my age.
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using that example isa as s illy as saying i would rather them take unlucky punch to temple or have sex catch aids and die.
People grow out of fighting wse up etc...be a slut early you are always a sliut.
People can get by and forgive and forget childish indiscretions etc...i know kids getting fucked at 12...known as sluts 2-3 kids now etc at my age.
By the time I was 22 one of my friends got into a fight and beat a guy to death and another guy that I knew but not well got hit in the head with a pool stick died. I'm willing to bet that both of these guys had gotten laid way more than they ever got into fights.
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Don't get your panties in a bunch girlfriend.
Your first point: apparently I did misunderstand you. We agree more than we disagree. It wasn't rape and I don't think he should go to jail like my friend did for having sex with a 13 year old (if you knew and saw this 13 year old the moralist on this board wouldn't think I'm a sicko and she lied about her age). I believe it's the responsibility of the parents to raise and protect their teen age girls. I am ambivalent about laws regarding the age of consent. I know I wouldn't want my 15 year old having sex with a 40 year old. But if it wasn't rape do I want guys thrown in jail for that? In most states two 16 year olds can have sex and it's OK. But if the guy is 19 than it's illegal. Huh?
Regarding your second point vis-a-vis violence. Sorry bud, this is the real world. There will always be evil and there will always be violence. It's the state of man and it ain't changing anytime soon. Best one learn to handle a gun and use his fists.
As for the third point, I'll ignore the gratuitous insults and I will say I agree with you regarding pre and post pubescent children. I thought I had made that abundantly clear. I was addressing the point about equating violence with sexual behavior.
There indeed has been some miscommunication. This is a long thread and ideas get lost and trying to keep track of who said what. There may be some difference of opinion as far as equating violence with sexual behavior but as far as I can see we don't differ much else on the other points. Just to reiterate, I don't like the idea of 40 year olds having consensual sex with a 15 year old. And I do believe a 15 year is not so naive and dumb that she doesn't know what she's doing. But just because I personally don't like something doesn't mean it should be illegal. If it wasn't rape I don't think anybody should be sent to jail. I hate to admit it, but when I saw that 13 year old that my friend had sex with and spent a few years behind bars I thought to myself, "There for the grace of God..." I mean, shoots, under certain circumstances that could have been me.
Yes, I am very familiar with porn. You? Just being on GetBig is a journey into the dark underbelly of perversion. Why do you think I'm here?
You Europeans. So emotional. I hope there's no hard feelings.
Not at all.
I've already reviewed your post; it's clear to me that you're capable of bringing interesting and well informed opinions to any discussion.
I don't believe in anything 100%. Sometimes I like to argue for some point with a righteous sense of emphatic certainty, simply for the sake of facilitating discussion. It doesn't mean it's my personal belief. Everything is transitory to me - I'm constantly evolving opinions. Playing devil's advocate in a position that puts me in opposition with my personal beliefs serves as a tool to me - it forces those in opposition to reinforce their arguments, thus solidifying them in my own mind. Really, I'm just interested in objective reality.
I think peace can be brought about through violence. If more impulsive types with primitive systems of morality are completely eliminated, all that remains are those with better capabilities for reasoning. So yes, I think it's possible to make peace through war; however, gene manipulation may ultimately bring it about, without the inevitable human misery of the former method. But yes, all this is futurism - for now, it is best to have some familiarity with guns and fighting techniques.
I agree with you on most points. Politics and morality are about opinions. Whether your consider one system better than another largely depends on how that system relates to your personal situation. It's the politics of ego. Opposing sides of an argument don't realise that they're largely driven by the same underlying psychological motivations. Political opinions vary - subconscious desires for fulfilment in various aspects of life are fairly consistent. Understanding the universal subconscious motivations of human beings, and figuring out how to fulfil those desires, is, in my opinion, the key to discovering the best method for governing them.
I respect your maturity. : )
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different folks for different strokes.
13 is much too young for sex. At 13 most kids cant do any damage with their hands.
You have a child you are solely responsible for so much in that childs life. It depends on you every minute everyday.
It is an immense responsibility and teh most solemn consequence of fucking at 13.
Ill respectfully disagree you raise your kid your way ill raise mine my way.
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where is jason ellis today? i'm not reading 15 pages about a smug pedofile
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I would rather my 13 yer old was fighting than having sex
lol yes.
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He is so getting raped in prison.
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Not at all.
I've already reviewed your post; it's clear to me that you're capable of bringing interesting and well informed opinions to any discussion.
I don't believe in anything 100%. Sometimes I like to argue for some point with a righteous sense of emphatic certainty, simply for the sake of facilitating discussion. It doesn't mean it's my personal belief. Everything is transitory to me - I'm constantly evolving opinions. Playing devil's advocate in a position that puts me in opposition with my personal beliefs serves as a tool to me - it forces those in opposition to reinforce their arguments, thus solidifying them in my own mind. Really, I'm just interested in objective reality.
I think peace can be brought about through violence. If more impulsive types with primitive systems of morality are completely eliminated, all that remains are those with better capabilities for reasoning. So yes, I think it's possible to make peace through war; however, gene manipulation may ultimately bring it about, without the inevitable human misery of the former method. But yes, all this is futurism - for now, it is best to have some familiarity with guns and fighting techniques.
I agree with you on most points. Politics and morality are about opinions. Whether your consider one system better than another largely depends on how that system relates to your personal situation. It's the politics of ego. Opposing sides of an argument don't realise that they're largely driven by the same underlying psychological motivations. Political opinions vary - subconscious desires for fulfilment in various aspects of life are fairly consistent. Understanding the universal subconscious motivations of human beings, and figuring out how to fulfil those desires, is, in my opinion, the key to discovering the best method for governing them.
I respect your maturity. : )
Shoots. You can't get all rational, well thought out, sober and reasonable on me. This is GetBig. It's one of the few places left where a man can engage in a little intellectual slumming, locker room humor and verbal slut fests. In others words: act like the pigs that we are without being whisked away to some sterile room for some sensitivity training given by a pale, pencil neck, metrosexual that still keeps a VHS copy of Steel Magnolias and considers it one of that great works of film ever made
There's only room for one voice of reason on this board and it's already occupied by Van B. But be that as it may. Let me assure you that despite all the insults, personal attacks and monster ownings....
I'D STILL DIE FOR YOU BITCHES!
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different folks for different strokes.
13 is much too young for sex. At 13 most kids cant do any damage with their hands.
You have a child you are solely responsible for so much in that childs life. It depends on you every minute everyday.
It is an immense responsibility and teh most solemn consequence of fucking at 13.
Ill respectfully disagree you raise your kid your way ill raise mine my way.
the catholics have really did a number on you.
here's a hint: sex is not evil.
hope this helps harry.
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nope its not evil.
However the consequences of sex are often much greater than the consequences of getting in a fight. I am talking a 13yr old fight and 13yr old having sex.
Children very rarely can raise children. I have seen it so many times and by 18 they have a 4 year old running wild the parent more concerned with partying with her friends.
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nope its not evil.
However the consequences of sex are often much greater than the consequences of getting in a fight. I am talking a 13yr old fight and 13yr old having sex.
Children very rarely can raise children. I have seen it so many times and by 18 they have a 4 year old running wild the parent more concerned with partying with her friends.
are there a lot of 14yr old mothers in ireland?
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not a lot but i would say most people know one.
My ex gf's mum knew someone who at 29 heard she was gonna be a granny!
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You would rather your child take an unlucky punch to the temple and possibley die than to have sex?
An unlucky Dick to the temple may produce the same result!
ta ta
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are there a lot of 14yr old mothers in ireland?
I have seen it in south Carolina. I wanted to date a girl was 15 and i was 16 and i saw her with a kid and i asked is that your Lil' sister and she was like, "Nope, that is my little baby girl and she was two years old. I could not handle that at 16 and she said she got pregnant on her 13th birthday party. Most young women who have a kid all just wanna party.
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I have seen it in south Carolina. I wanted to date a girl was 15 and i was 16 and i saw her with a kid and i asked is that your Lil' sister and she was like, "Nope, that is my little baby girl and she was two years old. I could not handle that at 16 and she said she got pregnant on her 13th birthday party. Most young women who have a kid all just wanna party.
Even older ones do.
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Even older ones do.
Very true. I always listen to guys who have kids and their crazy stories with their girlfriends or wives. I have heard very few good stories about young women with kids but i dated one and the kid was not even mine and she said that "we were going out to a club." Well, she just left my ass home and hooked up with some other ass and i had to watch a kid that was not even mine but i could not just leave the kid there by its self.
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this girl will most likely have mental issues when she grows up.
might even end up in porn, or be attracted to men who use her
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this girl will most likely have mental issues when she grows up.
might even end up in porn, or be attracted to men who use her
Yes, she will become a great lass.
ta ta
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still no pictures?
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Very true. I always listen to guys who have kids and their crazy stories with their girlfriends or wives. I have heard very few good stories about young women with kids but i dated one and the kid was not even mine and she said that "we were going out to a club." Well, she just left my ass home and hooked up with some other ass and i had to watch a kid that was not even mine but i could not just leave the kid there by its self.
Ive also been in relationships where the kid wasnt mine. No more of that. They want this and that, stability, a father for the kid, meanwhile there is a reason why they are single mothers, and more often than not, its not the fathers fault, most fathers want to look after the kid, even though they cant be with the mother.
In the wild, a male lion will kill his new female's cubs in order to get rid of the other male's seed, and spread his own, he's not gonna adopt any cubs...
As humans we cant go to such extremes, so best thing is to not get involved with them.
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nope its not evil.
However the consequences of sex are often much greater than the consequences of getting in a fight. I am talking a 13yr old fight and 13yr old having sex.
Children very rarely can raise children. I have seen it so many times and by 18 they have a 4 year old running wild the parent more concerned with partying with her friends.
fights in glasgow often end in death, surely a pregnency is better than death?
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fights in glasgow often end in death, surely a pregnency is better than death?
fights between 13 year olds often end in death? ::)
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fights between 13 year olds often end in death? ::)
yes, all the time.
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Is this thread about Moosejay and Howard?
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Is this thread about Moosejay and Howard?
???
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fights between 13 year olds often end in death? ::)
Far more than 13 year old getting aids, that's for sure.
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Far more than 13 year old getting aids, that's for sure.
You really think it would be worse to hear that your 13 year old daughter got into a fight, and I don't mean she's a hood rat going out picking fights and bullying people, but there was a disagreement or argument of some sort and it came to blows. No one got serious hurt. Just your typical school yard brawl. You rather hear that she just had sex with a 14 year old boy?
Do you have a daughter? Do you have any children? Or even young nieces and nephews?
"Daddy, Melissa and I got into this big argument and then it turned into this big fight."
Daddy, that 7th grader Michael and I started making out after school and one thing led to another and he fucked me. Don't worry though, I keep condoms in my purse and let him use it."
I don't know. There use to be a time when it seemed like a matter of family honor and self respect that a women didn't give it up so easily and so early (and I'm talking about the days when people only live to 45). This was their only power over men and was a way to civilize them. Force them to commit, marry, not live in perpetual adolescence and alley cat their way through life.
But I guess the past is the past. The question is whether it's a good thing.
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You really think it would be worse to hear that your 13 year old daughter got into a fight, and I don't mean she's a hood rat going out picking fights and bullying people, but there was a disagreement or argument of some sort and it came to blows. No one got serious hurt. Just your typical school yard brawl. You rather hear that she just had sex with a 14 year old boy?
Do you have a daughter? Do you have any children? Or even young nieces and nephews?
"Daddy, Melissa and I got into this big argument and then it turned into this big fight."
Daddy, that 7th grader Michael and I started making out after school and one thing led to another and he fucked me. Don't worry though, I keep condoms in my purse and let him use it."
I don't know. There use to be a time when it seemed like a matter of family honor and self respect that a women didn't give it up so easily and so early (and I'm talking about the days when people only live to 45). This was their only power over men and was a way to civilize them. Force them to commit, marry, not live in perpetual adolescence and alley cat their way through life.
But I guess the past is the past. The question is whether it's a good thing.
I actually agree with you but too many people see sex as evil, especially in this country. I have a 16 year old son and he has never had sex. I'm not stupid, I know how I was at that age so I sat him down and had "the talk" with him. Told him that if he was going to have sex then he should wear a condom. He told me that he was not ready so I guess I raised him right. I never actually had intercourse till I was 19 so I'm not saying go out and fuk indiscriminately. As far as fighting goes just last year a 16 year old girl 10 miles from where I live stabbed another girl to death for dating her ex boyfriend. Point is that fights aren't fair anymore so you never know.
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I actually agree with you but too many people see sex as evil, especially in this country. I have a 16 year old son and he has never had sex. I'm not stupid, I know how I was ate that age so I sat him down and had "the talk" with him. Told him that if he was going to have sex then he should wear a condom. He told me that he was not ready so I guess I raised him right. I never actually had intercourse till I was 19 so I'm not saying go out and fuk indiscriminately. As far as fighting goes just last year a 16 year old girl 10 miles from where I live stabbed another girl to death for dating her ex boyfriend. Point is that fights aren't fair anymore so you never know.
Actually, I wouldn't put someone being murder with a knife out of vengeance in the same category as a fight. Maybe if the other girl knew how to fight she would have stood a better chance.
And you're right about many viewing sex as an inherently bad thing. I'll fix everything right now and educate you since I like you. Maybe I'll get a sip of that secret drink you brew.
Every act, in and of itself, is morally neutral. What determines it's morality is it's context. Take sex, you can have the exact same act, exact same behavior, but, depending on the context, one can be rape and one can be two people expressing love. Take the knifing incident. Cutting someone open can be a life saving surgery or it can be a vicious murder. This also relates to propriety (there use to be such a word). A two year old walking around naked is no big deal. It would be very inappropriate for an adult to do the same. It has nothing to do with the naked body being "dirty" or "evil" as such. It's how we behave in a civil society and how we express dignity and decency. Just like swim suits are great at the beach but not so at a Mass or a funeral.
Now can I have a sip of that drink?????
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Actually, I wouldn't put someone being murder with a knife out of vengeance in the same category as a fight. Maybe if the other girl knew how to fight she would have stood a better chance.
And you're right about many viewing sex as an inherently bad thing. I'll fix everything right now and educate you since I like you. Maybe I'll get a sip of that secret drink you brew.
Every act, in and of itself, is morally neutral. What determines it's morality is it's context. Take sex, you can have the exact same act, exact same behavior, but, depending on the context, one can be rape and one can be two people expressing love. Take the knifing incident. Cutting someone open can be a life saving surgery or it can be a vicious murder. This also relates to propriety (there use to be such a word). A two year old walking around naked is no big deal. It would be very inappropriate for an adult to do the same. It has nothing to do with the naked body being "dirty" or "evil" as such. It's how we behave in a civil society and how we express dignity and decency. Just like swim suits are great at the beach but not so at a Mass or a funeral.
Now can I have a sip of that drink?????
Actually rape does not have to be violent. People always like to say "sex and violence" Sex in and of itself can never be violent although I can do something violent while having sex. I can rape a girl while she is passed out and there is no violence involved or I can beat the hell out of her and then have un-consenting sex. (rape) Sex is not dirty or violent. The problem is that too many people don't sit their kids down and talk about it. Far too many parents just tell their kids that sex is wrong or dirty and DON'T DO IT and expect them to abstain. Like these stupid pledges or contracts that they sign to show their parents that they won't have sex. ::)
As far as sex goes I would rather my son wait, but if I had to chose (and I don't) I would rather him have protected sex than to go out and fight. Oh, I will pm you when the powder is ready and send you a free sample. ;D
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Actually rape does not have to be violent. People always like to say "sex and violence" Sex in and of itself can never be violent although I can do something violent while having sex. I can rape a girl while she is passed out and there is no violence involved or I can beat the hell out of her and then have un-consenting sex. (rape) Sex is not dirty or violent. The problem is that too many people don't sit their kids down and talk about it. Far too many parents just tell their kids that sex is wrong or dirty and DON'T DO IT and expect them to abstain. Like these stupid pledges or contracts that they sign to show their parents that they won't have sex. ::)
As far as sex goes I would rather my son wait, but if I had to chose (and I don't) I would rather him have protected sex than to go out and fight. Oh, I will pm you when the powder is ready and send you a free sample. ;D
Ah, the point was lost. The point was no longer violence or sex but rather the context of the situation that defines the act whatever it is.
I've haven't been on the Positive board in a while. I like your thread and the Kamali one. I like him better after reading his threads. So much intrigue and drama on this board that it can be consuming. It's hard to find the time for the other boards when you have other things to do.
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Um bottom line is...(and i'm not going to educate myself by reading 15 pages from when i last posted)...she (the young gal) was COMPLETELY AWARE of everything that was going on. ;)
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Ah, the point was lost. The point was no longer violence or sex but rather the context of the situation that defines the act whatever it is.
I've haven't been on the Positive board in a while. I like your thread and the Kamali one. I like him better after reading his threads. So much intrigue and drama on this board that it can be consuming. It's hard to find the time for the other boards when you have other things to do.
* checks for anymore gh15 updates *
Point wasn't lost, I got it completely and pretty much agree so no need to comment. :)
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Um bottom line is...(and i'm not going to educate myself by reading 15 pages from when i last posted)...she (the young gal) was COMPLETELY AWARE of everything that was going on. ;)
You pretty much summed up the 15 pages.
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yeah the little whore.
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Also i went to a catholic parish primary school, a catholic grammar school, go to mass all teh time and was raised ina catholic houshold an enviroment.
Sex is not portrayed as evil at all. In both schools we received proper sex education that i found useful and helpful. Not once in mass has the priest stoo at the pulpit screaming about evils of sex etc
Maybe thats just my experience
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People actually paid money for those t-shirts??????????? LMAO! :o
i have two of those shirts
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Um bottom line is...(and i'm not going to educate myself by reading 15 pages from when i last posted)...she (the young gal) was COMPLETELY AWARE of everything that was going on. ;)
Not just a pretty face but brains to :-*
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whatever happened to...
whats with you and bumping this???
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any more pics of the girl? :P
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has this dude been tried in court yet?
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I have seen it in south Carolina. I wanted to date a girl was 15 and i was 16 and i saw her with a kid and i asked is that your Lil' sister and she was like, "Nope, that is my little baby girl and she was two years old. I could not handle that at 16 and she said she got pregnant on her 13th birthday party. Most young women who have a kid all just wanna party.
Classy..hahah Sounds like a bright future for that one. Way to stay away from that. Remember, just use the ass, then you won't get the dirty byproduct...a child. ;)
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i think we cannot judge until weve seen her pictures guys.
haha
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any more pics of the girl? :P
id hit it
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pedobear approved
:o
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There is a difference between 15 and 12. Again it's a matter of when someone reaches sexual maturity. And I'm sure a 15 year old is mentally "not all there" in the sense of maturity but that applies to pretty much.... make that -- ALL -- the women in America. OK, make that 97%.
I garan-damn-tee you that 15 year old was no angel and it's obvious the guy was stupid but don't equate being a dog with being a pedophile. It diminishes the true sickness that pedophilia is.
I'll just leave this right here :-X
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I'll just leave this right here :-X
I have no idea what you think you just read, I dont think you have the mental capacity to interpret people correctly.
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I have no idea what you think you just read, I dont think you have the mental capacity to interpret people correctly.
lmao Thanks for playing ;)
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lmao Thanks for playing ;)
So you bump yet another pedo accusation post and you think its amusing.
Says a lot.
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So you bump yet another pedo accusation post and you think its amusing.
Says a lot.
I think it's ironic , like the Bill Cosby accusations they just keep coming. And What does that say? Mr-I'm-Not-Here-To-Judge-Anybody? ;) What are you implying? ???
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I think it's ironic , like the Bill Cosby accusations they just keep coming. And What does that say? Mr-I'm-Not-Here-To-Judge-Anybody? ;) What are you implying? ???
Im implying you seem to be very fond of condemning people without evidence.
Im not judging you, its just the way you are.
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Im implying you seem to be very fond of condemning people without evidence.
Im not judging you, its just the way you are.
Condemning them for what? I already said I don't think he's a pedophile. But after reading his posts I may be wrong. He apparently thinks pedophilia is only prepubescent girls. So if a girl hits puberty at say 13 it's okay to have sex with her because she's postpubescent
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What would Judge Judy have to say about this situation?
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old thread bump?
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old thread bump?
Yeah all the old Pellius is cool with pedophilia threads
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Condemning them for what? I already said I don't think he's a pedophile. But after reading his posts I may be wrong. He apparently thinks pedophilia is only prepubescent girls. So if a girl hits puberty at say 13 it's okay to have sex with her because she's postpubescent
You need to read a dictionary and look up the definition of pedophile and child.
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Condemning them for what? I already said I don't think he's a pedophile. But after reading his posts I may be wrong. He apparently thinks pedophilia is only prepubescent girls. So if a girl hits puberty at say 13 it's okay to have sex with her because she's postpubescent
Yes, pedophilia is only prepubescent children. So, yes, if a girl hits puberty, say 13, they are able, can and do have sex. I never said it was OK that they have sex but 13 years olds and teens around the world and throughout all of human history had sex.
Now, of course a 13 girl and a 14 year old boy having sex is one thing. A 13 year old girl and a 40 year old guy is quite another. I consider them both wrong and immoral. And because I subscribe to the concept of "gradations of evil" some things in the same class of sin are worse than others, say stealing some silverware at a restaurant versus bilking a retired couple of their life savings. Both stealing one much more egregious than the other.
A 40 year guy having sex with a teenagers is far worse due to the culture mores that have evolved through the centuries. And should be illegal and punished.
There is never, ever a case where sex with a prepubescent child is allowed. It's is one the few black and white moral imperatives. There are no gray areas or wiggle room. It is always wrong.
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What would Judge Judy have to say about this situation?
A white GGewish woman born at the right time and hand feed a 200million dollar fortune, I'd say she would say down with the intelligent non Jew White man. And she will say it loud!!!
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A white GGewish woman born at the right time and hand feed a 200million dollar fortune, I'd say she would say down with the intelligent non Jew White man. And she will say it loud!!!
would you bang the judge for a piece of that fortune?
I would,.......if I could get it up lolol
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would you bang the judge for a piece of that fortune?
I would,.......if I could get it up lolol
I hope I would never become starstruck in my lifetime. But I give people a pass who do. To answer your question, Yes, Yes I would.lol
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would you bang the judge for a piece of that fortune?
I would,.......if I could get it up lolol
Not to side track an important subject, Potatank, If you haven't already, Watch Ch. USA---Mr. Robot. Go online and watch the first one before you watch any other. The series is only like 6 shows deep. Really cool show that is done right. It's a fight club/American Pyscho type tv show except it revolves around a hacker. Which is really cool.You won't be disappointed if you enjoy any type of TV shows. This show is top notch or it sucks depending on ?
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old thread bump?
240, What's your opinion on the USA tv show Mr. Robot?
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Not to side track an important subject, Potatank, If you haven't already, Watch Ch. USA---Mr. Robot. Go online and watch the first one before you watch any other. The series is only like 6 shows deep. Really cool show that is done right. It's a fight club/American Pyscho type tv show except it revolves around a hacker. Which is really cool.You won't be disappointed if you enjoy any type of TV shows. This show is top notch or it sucks depending on ?
Im on episode 6---its pretty good, definitely a fight club feel to it
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240, What's your opinion on the USA tv show Mr. Robot?
haven't seen it, but this thread has piqued my interest. I think i saw a preview back in the spring. I see it's on hulu, will definitely check out in the next week
it looks cool - (spoilers in the wiki page, i wont read those, but the intro looks good)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Robot_(TV_series)
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"their shared interest in horseback riding"...... :-\
(http://goodtoknow.media.ipcdigital.co.uk/111/0000019b4/ecb5_orh220w334/gallopinghorse.gif)
"the galloping horse"