Cain’s 9-9-9 Plan Would Massively Redistribute Wealth Upward

[Fury]

Gee, will it really "redistribute" wealth upward? No, it won't redistribute wealth upward. What it will do, however, is make the 47% of people who don't pay shit in this country put some skin in the game. I'm cool with that. They use the same roads, infrastructure, etc as the rest of us who pay out so why should they be treated differently? Or did I miss the part in the constitution that says everyone isn't equal?

9-9-9 is a nonstarter but it's an idea. That's what matters.

[Mr. Magoo]

Uh-no retard, it's not.  Dayen refers to himself as a liberal and he is a blogger.

You are and continue to be a dumbfuck.  << now that's ad-hom retard.

You was trying to discredit the blogger solely for being a liberal, without attacking his argument

Take a wild guess at what that is called.

[Skip8282]

You was trying to discredit the blogger solely for being a liberal, without attacking his argument

Take a wild guess at what that is called.

I didn't try to discredit anybody, I merely dismissed it for what it was - opinion.

Sorry you lack basic reading comprehension.

[headhuntersix]

Its a blog magoo....opinion is sorta implied.

[Skip8282]

Its a blog magoo....opinion is sorta implied.

It's interesting how liberals think the word "liberal" is discrediting, lol.

[Fury]

It's interesting how liberals think the word "liberal" is discrediting, lol.

They're "progressives" now....even though they embody ideals that were popular decades ago.

"Regressive" seems to fit better.

[Mr. Magoo]

I try to discredit anybody, I merely dismissed it for what it was - opinion.

Sorry you lack basic reading comprehension.

I need a better quality dumbass to argue with

you said: "Well, if a liberal blogger said it - it must be true.   "

You meant: It (It= the argument of the blogger) is not true because a liberal blogger said it

The truth/falsity of the argument does not depend on whether the person is a liberal or a blogger. That is attack to the person who is making said argument, NOT the argument itself

When you attack the person who makes an argument to try to disprove the argument the person is making, instead of attacking the argument itself, that is called a.....

Get it yet?

Or are you going to try the dumbass approach by saying "i was merely pointing out the person is a liberal and that he blogs. In no way was I trying to disprove his argument by pointing this out" 

[headhuntersix]

Well I imagine skip feels that your fucked up ideology has failed and therefore anybody who still spouts those points is a grapefruit. But if I'm wrong skip will mention it.

[Skip8282]

I need a better quality dumbass to argue with

you said: "Well, if a liberal blogger said it - it must be true.   "

You meant: It (It= the argument of the blogger) is not true because a liberal blogger said it

The truth/falsity of the argument does not depend on whether the person is a liberal or a blogger. That is attack to the person who is making said argument, NOT the argument itself

When you attack the person who makes an argument to try to disprove the argument the person is making, instead of attacking the argument itself, that is called a.....

Get it yet?

Or are you going to try the dumbass approach by saying "i was merely pointing out the person is a liberal and that he blogs. In no way was I trying to disprove his argument by pointing this out" 

Oh, brother.  Now you're just gonna make up what other people meant as though you know them. 

That's the apex of dumbass arguments.

You just jumped to a conclusion because you have piss poor reading comprehension.

Deal with it dumbfuck.

[headhuntersix]

I love Magoo....

[Skip8282]

Well I imagine skip feels that your fucked up ideology has failed and therefore anybody who still spouts those points is a grapefruit. But if I'm wrong skip will mention it.

You know, I had totally forgot, but this douchebag thinks he has ownership over the word "liberal" and was crying that 33 should stop using it.

Funniest thing - he actually pointed to a professor who argues that nobody owns the term, lololol.

Ahhh..the dumb.  They're good for a laugh.

[Mr. Magoo]

You know, I had totally forgot, but this douchebag thinks he has ownership over the word "liberal" and was crying that 33 should stop using it.

Funniest thing - he actually pointed to a professor who argues that nobody owns the term, lololol.

Ahhh..the dumb.  They're good for a laugh.

what the hell are you talking about? 

I never said anything about "owning" the term Liberal. 3333 calls several democrats "liberal socialists". These are two competing political theories that contradict one another. That would be me like calling you a christian buddhist or a jewish muslim. Although these terms cannot be defined to a tee, they can be defined enough to see that it would be almost impossible for someone to truly be both because they are not both compatible.

I don't own the term "liberal", that's silly to claim that someone "owns" a word. I think there are a lot of misconceptions about what liberalism, socialism, and conservatism say, and a lot of people get parts of them mixed up.

I'm for education of politics, not for "owning" political terms. That's nonsense.

[tonymctones]

actually no... cut the stupid and uncontitutional out of government and that's not what has to happen.  Only one person running will go down that road for sure.... Ron Paul...........

and yes, I have been paying attention lol...

actually yes bro, everybody is going to have to pay more taxes to get us out of the debt we are in. Reducing spending is part of the solution as well but everyone will have to pick up the slack as well.

[Fury]

You know, I had totally forgot, but this douchebag thinks he has ownership over the word "liberal" and was crying that 33 should stop using it.

Funniest thing - he actually pointed to a professor who argues that nobody owns the term, lololol.

Ahhh..the dumb.  They're good for a laugh.

He's in college, br0. He knows EVERYTHING. I was like that a few years ago. Only difference is that it turned out that I did indeed know everything.  

[Hugo Chavez]

actually yes bro, everybody is going to have to pay more taxes to get us out of the debt we are in. Reducing spending is part of the solution as well but everyone will have to pick up the slack as well.

actually no bro...   It doesn't have to be done overnight.  Cut the crap from government and head the budget back in the right direction and you immediately will see economic rewards from where we are standing NOW...  I don't have a freaking problem with that!!!!  Not sure why you would...

I sure in the hell hope you're not looking at Cain's plan as a magic wand because what has been released so far seems far from it.

[Fury]

another thing, I bet corporations are not going to like the idea of a 9% national sales tax on everything on top of state sales tax.  They'll see sales drop across the board pretty dang fast imo...

And they won't bust in their pants at the prospect of a 9% corporate tax? It would be one of the lowest in the world. We'd have corporations pouring in here like they did when Ireland dropped their rates and got themselves the Celtic Tiger.

[Hugo Chavez]

And they won't bust in their pants at the prospect of a 9% corporate tax? It would be one of the lowest in the world. We'd have corporations pouring in here like they did when Ireland dropped their rates and got themselves the Celtic Tiger.

kinda negated a bit if a majority(poor/middle class) start buying way less under what could easily amount to a huge increase in taxes for them under Cain's plan.

[Soul Crusher]

I agree w taxing consumption v production.   We need more producers and savers v consumers and borrowers

[Fury]

kinda negated a bit if a majority(poor/middle class) start buying way less under what could easily amount to a huge increase in taxes for them under Cain's plan.

They don't consume beyond the necessities anyway.

Haha, who am I kidding, this is the land where people on welfare have LCD TVs and iPhones. My bad. Good point.

I can't find the link right now but Bloomberg did a calculation of the revenues a few weeks ago. Their rough estimate had revenues with $200 billion of last year.

The biggest problem with the sales tax has nothing to do with how much people would buy or what not. It's the assholes in DC that would turn that 9% into 20% in the blink of an eye.

Flat tax, no exemptions.

[Hugo Chavez]

They don't consume beyond the necessities anyway.

Haha, who am I kidding, this is the land where people on welfare have LCD TVs and iPhones. My bad. Good point.

we're not just talking about the poor.  As stated so far, this would have an effect on the middle class.  You will see less spending in both and both have an impact.

[Fury]

we're not just talking about the poor.  As stated so far, this would have an effect on the middle class.  You will see less spending in both and both have an impact.

How much consuming does the poor and lower middle class do outside of the necessities?

Now I'm not pointing my finger at you but I don't know why the left is pissing about this sales tax. These are the same assholes that would love to shove a VAT down our throats.

[Soul Crusher]

we're not just talking about the poor.  As stated so far, this would have an effect on the middle class.  You will see less spending in both and both have an impact.

Yes, but people will save more and have more freedom over there money.   The income tax punishes prodctive people and rewards debt.    


We need to reward savers and thrift, not borrowing and debt.  I favor a national sales tax and no income tax at all.  

[Soul Crusher]

VAT is not the same as a sales tax.   VAT is a disaster.   

[Fury]

VAT is not the same as a sales tax.   VAT is a disaster.   

I know it's not. I'm just pointing out that the Dems, who are pissing and moaning about this, would love nothing more than to drop a VAT on everyone. They're hypocrites through and through.

[Skip8282]

He's in college, br0. He knows EVERYTHING. I was like that a few years ago. Only difference is that turned out that I did indeed know everything.