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Why would the FBI need to do a raid
Here's a refresher of all the steps the US government took to retrieve it's property from Trump and all the things he or his agents did to prevent the recovery of those docs
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-search-timeline-mar-a-lago-justice-department/
BTW - Merrick Garland assigned a Trump appointee to investigate this (the Biden docs)
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Why would the FBI need to do a raid
Here's a refresher of all the steps the US government took to retrieve it's property from Trump and all the things he or his agents did to prevent the recovery of those docs
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-search-timeline-mar-a-lago-justice-department/
BTW - Merrick Garland assigned a Trump appointee to investigate this (the Biden docs)
You’re not following. They were found right before the mid terms. Biden has many homes. Where are the raids?
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You’re not following. They were found right before the mid terms. Biden has many homes. Where are the raids?
Where was the documents found?
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You’re not following. They were found right before the mid terms. Biden has many homes. Where are the raids?
It's obvious you're not "following" or maybe don't understand the facts of the two situations
Biden's attorney's found the docs notified the National Archives who retrieved the docs the next day
Why would there need to be a raid
It took DOJ over a year to need a search warrant for Trumps house and that was only after multiple requests and trips to Florida for docs and lies by Trump and his agents saying they had turned over everything (which of course they did not)
If Trump sent all the docs back when they were first requested or when representative of National Archives went to his house or when he was subpoenaed for the docs there would have never been a raid
You understand all that, right?
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Hahahhaha Qoach and the Trumpturds desperately trying to make it out to be one and the same. So when did the FBI plant this evidence?
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It's obvious you're not "following" or maybe don't understand the facts of the two situations
Biden's attorney's found the docs notified the National Archives who retrieved the docs the next day
Why would there need to be a raid
It took DOJ over a year to need a search warrant for Trumps house and that was only after multiple requests and trips to Florida for docs and lies by Trump and his agents saying they had turned over everything (which of course they did not)
If Trump sent all the docs back when they were first requested or when representative of National Archives went to his house or when he was subpoenaed for the docs there would have never been a raid
You understand all that, right?
No one knows the facts because the story just came out today so don’t pretend you do
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Hahahhaha Qoach and the Trumpturds desperately trying to make it out to be one and the same. So when did the FBI plant this evidence?
I’ve been waiting for you and your minions to make your excuses
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No one knows the facts because the story just came out today so don’t pretend you do
You and I both have access to the same public info
I've provided you summary (you can verify it yourself)
Again, it took DOJ an more than a year to need to "raid" Trump and that was only due to his constant denial and obstruction
If you don't see there difference in the two events then that's your problem
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I’ve been waiting for you and your minions to make your excuses
Facts don’t need excuses. Unlike retards like yourself.
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Facts don’t need excuses. Unlike retards like yourself.
You know what to do
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You and I both have access to the same public info
I've provided you summary (you can verify it yourself)
Again, it took DOJ an more than a year to need to "raid" Trump and that was only due to his constant denial and obstruction
If you don't see there difference in the two events then that's your problem
While there may be differences between the two events as you say, does it make it any less illegal what Biden did?
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You know what to do
Continue kicking you in your ovaries over your lies? Why yes, I will.
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Continue kicking you in your ovaries over your lies? Why yes, I will.
Then let’s go. C’mon, embarrass me face to face where everyone can hear or see
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It's obvious you're not "following" or maybe don't understand the facts of the two situations
Biden's attorney's found the docs notified the National Archives who retrieved the docs the next day
Why would there need to be a raid
It took DOJ over a year to need a search warrant for Trumps house and that was only after multiple requests and trips to Florida for docs and lies by Trump and his agents saying they had turned over everything (which of course they did not)
If Trump sent all the docs back when they were first requested or when representative of National Archives went to his house or when he was subpoenaed for the docs there would have never been a raid
You understand all that, right?
So you think that’s all the documents he had? Let’s find out and raid all of Biden’s residences to find out. Also, you know if Biden had some so did Obama…go after his as well. Let’s also not forget that Biden has his hand in mark in making that fake raid happen.
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You and I both have access to the same public info
I've provided you summary (you can verify it yourself)
Again, it took DOJ an more than a year to need to "raid" Trump and that was only due to his constant denial and obstruction
If you don't see there difference in the two events then that's your problem
You’re absolutely right. We do have the same public information but do you read both sides or just one? I tend to read both
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While there may be weirder ends between the two events as you say, does it make it any less illegal what Biden did?
Nope, the two circumstances have almost nothing in common except that classified docs were in a place where they didn't belong and that is a problem in both cases
That is why the National Archives referred this (Bidens situation) to the DOJ and the AG assigned a US attorney (who was appointed by Trump) to start an investigation
The difference is that you have to prove intent. Did the person who took the docs know they didn't belong to him/he didn't have legal access to them and he intended to retain them
We know this for a fact with Trump starting with his attorney's telling him before he left the White House that he couldn't take various docs. Then we have the National Archives making multiple requests, including trips to Trumps home, to retrieve the documents. If Trump has just given them all the docs at any of those times we'd probably never even know about it. Instead Trump and his agents lied and obstructed repeatedly and refused to return the docs which at that point he could not deny knowing they didn't belong to him (INTENT). He also made many public and online statements admitting he took them and insisting they belonged to him, which of course they didn't (more INTENT). He also obstructed the investigation and the return of the docs (more INTENT)
Let's compare that to the Biden docs. They were found by Bidens attorney's in an office they were vacating and his attorney's immediately contacted the National Archives who retrieved the docs the next day. Kind of hard to prove intent when Biden's attorneys discovered the docs and immediately notified the National Archives and turned them over the next day.
There is are many other differences but that's the most signfiicant
Also, of course it's being investigated. If the US Attorney thinks there are more docs or that Biden is not cooperating he can do what the US Attorney investigating Trump did. He can issue or subpoena for the docs and if Biden and his attorney's don't comply or lie and obstruct then they can go to a judge a get a search warrants. Of course none of that is likely to happen (not just because Biden is POTUS) but because Biden's team is the one who informed the National Archives about the docs are turned them over right away. If Trump had just done that or merely replied iwth any of the initial requests he would not be in legal jeopardy today
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You’re absolutely right. We do have the same public information but do you read both sides or just one? I tend to read both
ok, tell me what you read that I didn't mention and please show me were you read it
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So you think that’s all the documents he had? Let’s find out and raid all of Biden’s residences to find out. Also, you know if Biden had some so did Obama…go after his as well. Let’s also not forget that Biden has his hand in mark in making that fake raid happen.
Fine by me
As you know there is a US Attorney (appointed by Trump) who has been assigned to investigate
All he has to do is provide a judge probable cause that there are additional documents and that Biden is willfully non-compliant and not cooperating with requests that they be returned
Go back and take a look at that timeline that I posted earlier of all the prior efforts to retrieve the docs from Trump prior to the execution of the search warrant at Trumps home for a template on the timeline of how that might happen
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Then let’s go. C’mon, embarrass me face to face where everyone can hear or see
That happens everyday on here.
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For the whining ass slowtards who keep crying about there is "no difference". ::)
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There's a key difference between the classified documents found at a former Biden office and the ones Trump kept at Mar-a-Lago, national security expert says.
Bradley P. Moss, a national security lawyer, told Insider that this looked like a routine matter with no allegation of criminal wrongdoing. He contrasted what we know about the case with that being built against Trump, who held boxes of classified documents at his Mar-a-Lago resort even after their return had been demanded by the National Archives.
"Biden's team did exactly what you're supposed to do," Moss said. "When you find improperly stored classified documents, you immediately notify the government — and you turn it over immediately."
"The reason Donald Trump is in criminal jeopardy right now isn't just because of the documents being improperly stored. It was the obstruction," Moss said. "That is why it has gotten to the point it has, where we're looking at the real possibility of a criminal indictment."
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"I cant answer that" If it were "no" she would be able to answer.
FBI and Epps in on JAN 6th as most know. A comical/staged and planned event.
With leftie-libturds inciting violence. (FBI is bought and paid lefty libturd at this time).
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^^ Unsure what that post has to do with anything in this thread.
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Lib lies and hypocrisy
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Lib lies and hypocrisy
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CNN analyst: Let's face it -- the DoJ probably can't charge Trump now over classified documents (unless they also charge Biden)
Hotair ^ | 01/10/2023 | Ed Morrissey
Posted on 1/10/2023, 12:51:34 PM by SeekAndFind
“Really?” Poppy Harlow exclaimed. Yes, really. Theoretically, the Department of Justice could still charge Donald Trump over his alleged criminal violations in keeping classified documents.
In reality, though, Merrick Garland would have to explain why he’s not charging Joe Biden for the same crimes, as CNN legal analyst John Miller explains. They may not be the same situation, but it’s close enough to make it awkward:
DON LEMON: I said that last night, it puts Merrick Garland in a very odd position. Did they know this was coming? This was November? I said, well, you know, look, I’m just asking here. Maybe Merrick Garland didn’t. Everyone’s wondering why he didn’t act, did he know this was coming?
JOHN MILLER: The White House knows how to get news out fast and they know how to get news out slow. The idea that we went through the contretemps of last week and once that was all clear, you know, they announced this probably, you know, speaks for itself in terms of analysis.
KAITLAN COLLINS: I’m so interested that you said it helps Trump because I was talking to people close to his legal team yesterday and they were saying this is a huge gift to them because they believe, you know, politically speaking, of course, the obstruction is obviously the big part of the Trump story. He resisted for so long, turning them over. But they believe it helps make their argument that it’s pretty easy actually, to innocently and mistakenly perhaps take classified documents. Does that actually hold up in court?
JOHN MILLER: So it doesn’t hold up in logic.
KAITLAN COLLINS: But does it hold up in court?
JOHN MILLER: Let alone court. Sure, it holds up in court as an argument. But, you know, the law is clear on on both. It’s just, you know, the balancing act of you’ve got a special prosecutor, you know, Jack Smith, who’s going to is going to make a recommendation, and then the attorney general is going to have to make a decision. And these developments have put him in a very awkward place in terms of the decision-making.
The two situations aren’t identical, at least at the moment, but they don’t appear to be different enough to matter politically. Miller also notes that there is an obstruction charge that could be brought against Trump, an element that doesn’t appear to be present in this instance, at least not yet. To charge obstruction without an underlying criminal charge on the document retention itself would be even more awkward, however.
Another CNN legal analyst, former federal prosecutor Katie Cherkasky, points out more explicitly the difference on obstruction. However, she also notes that the underlying crimes are too similar to ignore for prosecutors, and perhaps for a court as well:
CHERKASKY: I think in terms again of the obstruction, that is not present in this case. But the mishandling of classified documents — if that is an offense that is being looked at, that happens at the time the documents are removed, potentially, if they’re done so under inappropriate circumstances. So that part of it is more nuanced, and legally I think those analyses are much more similar. …
I think that Merrick Garland is in a difficult position. … Ultimately, I think there’s going to need to be a special counsel appointed to look into whether this is a criminal offense or whether this is something that is prosecutable.
The problem for the crowd — mainly in the media — screeching that Trump’s obstruction makes this different is the precedent set by the DoJ for Hillary Clinton. Her use of an unauthorized home-brew e-mail system resulted in the retention of thousands of classified documents/data for up to six years or more. Clinton’s motive for employing this system for her official e-mails was clearly to obstruct Congressional review of her communications at State. Furthermore, she directed underlings to strip classified markings from documents before transmitting them, which is itself illegal and demonstrative of obstruction. When confronted, Clinton refused to grant access to the e-mail server, and then erased half of the 65,000-plus emails before granting access to the FBI, claiming that they were personal in nature. That also is a demonstratively obstructive act. And yet the DoJ refused to charge or prosecute Clinton, claiming some fig leaf of “intent” that doesn’t exist anywhere in statute and that her behavior completely contradicted anyway.
So Merrick Garland’s decision was already awkward even before this latest development belatedly emerged. Now we have a sitting president who as VP apparently did exactly what Trump is being accused of doing, and without the authority to commit even a pretense of declassification. If Garland presses forward on a prosecution against a Republican candidate while taking a pass on two Democrats for the same crime, it’s going to look very, very political. And after that, it will be Katy-bar-the-door in the next Republican administration for political prosecutions, and that next Republican administration may be a lot closer than Biden and the media think.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/CnPksHmuo0W/?igshid=NDk5N2NlZjQ=
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https://justthenews.com/government/white-house/biden-classified-documents-included-materials-ukraine-iran-report?utm_source=tw&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=twjtn
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GOP requests intel 'damage assessment' of Biden documents
Republicans have just taken control of the House of Representatives and are promising to launch widespread investigations of Biden's administration.
The revelation also may complicate the Justice Department's consideration of whether to bring charges against Trump, who is trying to win back the White House in 2024 and has repeatedly claimed the department's inquiry into of his own conduct amounted to “corruption."
The National Archives did not immediately respond to a request for comment Monday. Spokespeople for Garland and Lausch declined to comment.
Rep. James Comer, the new GOP chairman of the House Oversight Committee, said Monday that the revelation raised questions about the Justice Department’s handling of the Trump probe.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/gop-requests-intelligence-damage-assessment-170711060.html
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CNN analyst: Let's face it -- the DoJ probably can't charge Trump now over classified documents (unless they also charge Biden)
Hotair ^ | 01/10/2023 | Ed Morrissey
Posted on 1/10/2023, 12:51:34 PM by SeekAndFind
“Really?” Poppy Harlow exclaimed. Yes, really. Theoretically, the Department of Justice could still charge Donald Trump over his alleged criminal violations in keeping classified documents.
In reality, though, Merrick Garland would have to explain why he’s not charging Joe Biden for the same crimes, as CNN legal analyst John Miller explains. They may not be the same situation, but it’s close enough to make it awkward:
DON LEMON: I said that last night, it puts Merrick Garland in a very odd position. Did they know this was coming? This was November? I said, well, you know, look, I’m just asking here. Maybe Merrick Garland didn’t. Everyone’s wondering why he didn’t act, did he know this was coming?
JOHN MILLER: The White House knows how to get news out fast and they know how to get news out slow. The idea that we went through the contretemps of last week and once that was all clear, you know, they announced this probably, you know, speaks for itself in terms of analysis.
KAITLAN COLLINS: I’m so interested that you said it helps Trump because I was talking to people close to his legal team yesterday and they were saying this is a huge gift to them because they believe, you know, politically speaking, of course, the obstruction is obviously the big part of the Trump story. He resisted for so long, turning them over. But they believe it helps make their argument that it’s pretty easy actually, to innocently and mistakenly perhaps take classified documents. Does that actually hold up in court?
JOHN MILLER: So it doesn’t hold up in logic.
KAITLAN COLLINS: But does it hold up in court?
JOHN MILLER: Let alone court. Sure, it holds up in court as an argument. But, you know, the law is clear on on both. It’s just, you know, the balancing act of you’ve got a special prosecutor, you know, Jack Smith, who’s going to is going to make a recommendation, and then the attorney general is going to have to make a decision. And these developments have put him in a very awkward place in terms of the decision-making.
The two situations aren’t identical, at least at the moment, but they don’t appear to be different enough to matter politically. Miller also notes that there is an obstruction charge that could be brought against Trump, an element that doesn’t appear to be present in this instance, at least not yet. To charge obstruction without an underlying criminal charge on the document retention itself would be even more awkward, however.
Another CNN legal analyst, former federal prosecutor Katie Cherkasky, points out more explicitly the difference on obstruction. However, she also notes that the underlying crimes are too similar to ignore for prosecutors, and perhaps for a court as well:
CHERKASKY: I think in terms again of the obstruction, that is not present in this case. But the mishandling of classified documents — if that is an offense that is being looked at, that happens at the time the documents are removed, potentially, if they’re done so under inappropriate circumstances. So that part of it is more nuanced, and legally I think those analyses are much more similar. …
I think that Merrick Garland is in a difficult position. … Ultimately, I think there’s going to need to be a special counsel appointed to look into whether this is a criminal offense or whether this is something that is prosecutable.
The problem for the crowd — mainly in the media — screeching that Trump’s obstruction makes this different is the precedent set by the DoJ for Hillary Clinton. Her use of an unauthorized home-brew e-mail system resulted in the retention of thousands of classified documents/data for up to six years or more. Clinton’s motive for employing this system for her official e-mails was clearly to obstruct Congressional review of her communications at State. Furthermore, she directed underlings to strip classified markings from documents before transmitting them, which is itself illegal and demonstrative of obstruction. When confronted, Clinton refused to grant access to the e-mail server, and then erased half of the 65,000-plus emails before granting access to the FBI, claiming that they were personal in nature. That also is a demonstratively obstructive act. And yet the DoJ refused to charge or prosecute Clinton, claiming some fig leaf of “intent” that doesn’t exist anywhere in statute and that her behavior completely contradicted anyway.
So Merrick Garland’s decision was already awkward even before this latest development belatedly emerged. Now we have a sitting president who as VP apparently did exactly what Trump is being accused of doing, and without the authority to commit even a pretense of declassification. If Garland presses forward on a prosecution against a Republican candidate while taking a pass on two Democrats for the same crime, it’s going to look very, very political. And after that, it will be Katy-bar-the-door in the next Republican administration for political prosecutions, and that next Republican administration may be a lot closer than Biden and the media think.
Don't worry
It won't be a problem charging Trump
The investigation has just started on the Biden docs so we'll see how that works out
So far Bidens attorney's did exactly the right thing (unlike Trumps attorney's)
If Trump attorney's had discovered the docs and notified the National Archives and turned them all over the next day then we wouldn't even be talking about it and Trump would be in no legal jeopardy
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As it is, they are now demanding the name of the people Trumpy hired to search for these docs. :D
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Let the liberal excuse factory spin up.
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As it is, they are now demanding the name of the people Trumpy hired to search for these docs. :D
How does Trump, a private citizen, hire someone with a security clearance? Lol
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How does Trump, a private citizen, hire someone with a security clearance? Lol
Ask him. "LOL"
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Trump lawyers ordered to hand over names of individuals hired to search Trump properties for classified documents.
A federal judge has asked former President Donald Trump’s attorneys to turn over the names of the individuals hired to search four properties for documents late last year, a source familiar with the order told CNN.
The names were handed over Wednesday night, two sources told CNN.
It’s the latest twist in the Justice Department’s efforts to use the court to enforce a subpoena from May that sought to collect all classified records Trump kept in his possession after leaving the presidency. The New York Times first reported the development.
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Let the liberal excuse factory spin up.
more like right wing desperation
can you show me where Biden or his attorney's obstructed the return of the docs or filed false statements saying they had returned everything
Here are are a couple of pertinent sections of the Espionage Act
You could attempt to make an argument for "gross negligence" for Biden but his docs were in a locked closet in his office at the Penn Biden Center for Diplomacy and Global Engagement and Trumps docs were scattered throughout his personal residence.
The timeline of Trumps lies and obstruction in relation to the docs has already been laid out in prior posts
(d) whoever, lawfully or unlawfully having possession of, access to, control over, or being entrusted with any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blue print, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defence, will fully communicates or transmits or attempts to communicate or transmit the same and fails to deliver it on demand to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; or
(e) whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blue print, plan, map, model, note, or information, relating to the national defence, through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be list, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, shall be punished by a fine of not more than $10,000, or by imprisonment for not more than two years, or both.
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President Joe Biden’s mishandled classified documents at the University of Pennsylvania’s “think tank” include intelligence materials related to Iran and Ukraine, according to CNN.
Among the documents Biden stashed at the Biden Center for Diplomacy and Global Engagement at the university were at least ten documents with classified markings on them. The classified documents were dated between 2013 and 2016 and reportedly contain classified intelligence inflation about Iran, Ukraine, and the United Kingdom.
Also in the documents were records pertaining to the Biden family business, including Beau Biden’s funeral preparations.
Biden’s stash of sensitive documents at the University of Pennsylvania’s “think tank” raises national security concerns. Anonymous Chinese donations have reportedly been given to a University of Pennsylvania “think tank,” where Biden stored the sensitive documents.
Sensitive documents found in the trove related to Ukraine raise additional concerns. The Biden family has had many business dealings in Ukraine.
“The documents were discovered on November 2, just six days before the midterm elections, but the matter only became public Monday due to news reports,” CNN reports.
In 2017, Hunter Biden was paid $83,000 per month to be on the board of Burisma, a Ukrainian energy company. That same year, Hunter’s salary was cut in half when Joe Biden left the White House as then-Vice President Joe Biden, who visited Ukraine six times in seven years.
Hunter was appointed to the board of Burisma in 2014. He had no prior experience with the energy sector or Ukraine.
In 2015, Joe Biden threatened to withhold $1 billion from Ukraine if the Ukrainian government did not fire the prosecutor who was investigating Burisma.
According to Breitbart News’s senior contributor Peter Schweizer, Hunter earned great sums of money from Ukraine for which he “offered no real work.”
In 2018 and 2020, Schweizer published Secret Empires and Profiles in Corruption. Each book hit #1 on the New York Times bestseller list and exposed how Hunter and his father flew to China aboard Air Force Two in 2013 before Hunter’s firm inked a $1.5 billion deal with a subsidiary of the Chinese government’s Bank of China, which transpired less than two weeks after the trip. Schweizer’s work also uncovered the Biden family’s other vast and lucrative foreign deals and cronyism.
Breitbart Political Editor Emma-Jo Morris’s investigative work at the New York Post regarding the Hunter Biden “laptop from hell” also captured international headlines when she, along with Miranda Devine, revealed that the president was intimately involved in Hunter’s businesses, appearing to even have a ten percent stake in a company the scion formed with officials at the highest levels of the Chinese Communist Party.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/01/10/report-joe-bidens-mishandled-classified-documents-include-intel-materials-related-iran-ukraine/
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It doesn't matter what Biden's excuses are. He knew taking classified documents was wrong, and he did it anyway. It doesn't matter if it is one document or thousands of documents. It's against the law. That is what we were told about Trump. It shouldn't be any different now, right?
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He declassified them with his mind. :D
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Why did I know you would be first out of the gate with this issue? Maybe because you are so incredibly predictable. ;D
Had Biden or his lawyers refused to give up the documents or played games to resist turning over these 10 classified documents, your post might make sense. However, the circumstances are quite the opposite of those in Trump's case. The White House Counsel’s Office notified the National Archives and Records Administration on the same day the documents were found “in a locked closet” and that the agency retrieved them the next morning.
Fair warning, if I were you, I would not jump to conclusions. Not realizing the huge difference between these two situations could end up making you eat your words.
BTW, I am not suggesting it was okay that Biden had these documents, but there is a lot we don't know yet. For example, how did they end up locked in a closet in his office in the Penn Biden Center for Diplomacy and Global Engagement?
Keep in mind that is vastly different than them being in his private residence, scattered about in various unsecured locations. Mar-a-Largo is a private club open to anyone in the world who is willing to pay the price of belonging. In addition, Trump entertains a variety of folks, including admitted white supremacists and foreign businesspeople.
This is totally like comparing apples and oranges. Their only similarity is they are both fruit.
Incidentally, I hope you are still above water.
(https://www.ocregister.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/OCR-L-WATER-0106-07mr-2.jpg?w=878)
A sign sits in water on a flooded 18th Street at Olive Avenue in Huntington Beach as a winter storm brought wind, rain and flooding to Orange County on Thursday morning, January 5, 2023.(Photo by Mark Rightmire, Orange County Register/SCNG)
When I was a kid and lived in Encino, our house was a few blocks from the Sepulveda dam in which the L.A. River ran. The only time there was water in this "river" was during heavy rains.
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Why did I know you would be first out of the gate with this issue? Maybe because you are so incredibly predictable. ;D
Had Biden or his lawyers refused to give up the documents or played games to resist turning over these 10 classified documents, your post might make sense. However, the circumstances are quite the opposite of those in Trump's case. The White House Counsel’s Office notified the National Archives and Records Administration on the same day the documents were found “in a locked closet” and that the agency retrieved them the next morning.
Fair warning, if I were you, I would not jump to conclusions. Not realizing the huge difference between these two situations could end up making you eat your words.
BTW, I am not suggesting it was okay that Biden had these documents, but there is a lot we don't know yet. For example, how did they end up locked in a closet in his office in the Penn Biden Center for Diplomacy and Global Engagement?
Keep in mind that is vastly different than them being in his private residence, scattered about in various unsecured locations. Mar-a-Largo is a private club open to anyone in the world who is willing to pay the price of belonging. In addition, Trump entertains a variety of folks, including admitted white supremacists and foreign businesspeople.
This is totally like comparing apples and oranges. Their only similarity is they are both fruit.
Incidentally, I hope you are still above water.
(https://www.ocregister.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/OCR-L-WATER-0106-07mr-2.jpg?w=878)
A sign sits in water on a flooded 18th Street at Olive Avenue in Huntington Beach as a winter storm brought wind, rain and flooding to Orange County on Thursday morning, January 5, 2023.(Photo by Mark Rightmire, Orange County Register/SCNG)
When I was a kid and lived in Encino, our house was a few blocks from the Sepulveda dam in which the L.A. River ran. The only time there was water in this "river" was during heavy rains.
Because without fail, whatever the left accuse Trump of doing you can bet they’re doing the same thing. As for the flooding. At Bolsa Chica (walking distance from my house) water came up onto the parking lot and on to PCH. PCH to Seacliff was close for about 2-3 days. Every year the city comes and puts up sand berms in front of the properties on the sand where we are. Water came up but the berms blocked the tide. We have sand bags at our garage. Usually the first place that get flooded.
Sucks because we’re right in the middle of a remodel and out siding work has been stopped for over a week
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It doesn't matter what Biden's excuses are. He knew taking classified documents was wrong, and he did it anyway. It doesn't matter if it is one document or thousands of documents. It's against the law. That is what we were told about Trump. It shouldn't be any different now, right?
BTW, one document can be one page or hundreds of pages.
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BTW, one document can be one page or hundreds of pages.
True.
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What’s more important. The documents or the fact that the CCP funded Biden’s fake “Think Tank” for $54mil? Are they tied together (of course)?
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Because without fail, whatever the left accuse Trump of doing you can bet they’re doing the same thing. As for the flooding. At Bolsa Chica (walking distance from my house) water came up onto the parking lot and on to PCH. PCH to Seacliff was close for about 2-3 days. Every year the city comes and puts up sand berms in front of the properties on the sand where we are. Water came up but the berms blocked the tide. We have sand bags at our garage. Usually the first place that get flooded.
Sucks because we’re right in the middle of a remodel and out siding work has been stopped for over a week
This does 'suck'. But from what you say, it is not unexpected. Such are the tradeoffs of living on the beach. Bummer.
I live on a hill at exactly 500 ft above sea level. The top of our street is 800 ft above sea level. When there's a downpour, the worst we get is the street out front looks something like a waterfall. Fortunately, there are good working storm drains nearby in the streets at the corner of our property. If we keep them clear of leaves, they work great. The downside of my location is that because it is such a steep hill and winding street the city closes it whenever there is ice or snow. I imagine that Ice and snow aren't a problem where you live.
No matter where people live, there are pluses and minuses. On a cloudy day like today, I wish I lived somewhere where it is sunny most of the time. I miss the Southern California beaches I went hung out at as a kid in the summer. The pacific ocean up here is icy cold no matter what time of year it is.
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Why would the FBI need to do a raid
So that they can find the rest of the classified documents Biden illegally took and hid at different locations:
Biden aides find more classified documents
"Biden aides have been searching for more classified materials since a set of documents from his vice-presidential days was found in November at a think tank office Biden used after his term as Vice President.
The latest set was said to be found in a location separate to the think tank office."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/biden-aides-more-classified-documents-082518057.html
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Why would the FBI need to do a raid
Here's a refresher of all the steps the US government took to retrieve it's property from Trump and all the things he or his agents did to prevent the recovery of those docs
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-search-timeline-mar-a-lago-justice-department/
BTW - Merrick Garland assigned a Trump appointee to investigate this (the Biden docs)
Sometimes when people "play dumb" they're not playing. The above appears to be just such an occasion. The Biden sAdministration is on track to becoming more and more the bAdministration.
FTN.
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So you think that’s all the documents he had? Let’s find out and raid all of Biden’s residences to find out. Also, you know if Biden had some so did Obama…go after his as well. Let’s also not forget that Biden has his hand in mark in making that fake raid happen.
Lol, you’ve been known to get it wrong before but I’ll ride with you on this one. The latest batch was going in a box next to his car. So much for the “his documents were secured in an office” excuse.
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Lol, you’ve been known to get it wrong before but I’ll ride with you on this one. The latest batch was going in a box next to his car. So much for the “his documents were secured in an office” excuse.
Next is the Dementia excuse - which is plausible.
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Some are saying Biden wants to run for re-election, but many Dems don't want him to, have known about these classified documents for a while, and are now making sure this comes to light now to keep Biden from running again.
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The dumb fuck basically just admitted he stole the documents
https://twitter.com/realsaavedra/status/1613566304858025984?s=46&t=ZTySTKSHzgS67BDBTJiqkw
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You’re absolutely right. We do have the same public information but do you read both sides or just one? I tend to read both
;)
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Because without fail, whatever the left accuse Trump of doing you can bet they’re doing the same thing. As for the flooding. At Bolsa Chica (walking distance from my house) water came up onto the parking lot and on to PCH. PCH to Seacliff was close for about 2-3 days. Every year the city comes and puts up sand berms in front of the properties on the sand where we are. Water came up but the berms blocked the tide. We have sand bags at our garage. Usually the first place that get flooded.
Sucks because we’re right in the middle of a remodel and out siding work has been stopped for over a week
I know you already know the differences between what Trump did and what Biden did... or at least you should. It's been pointed out ad nauseum but you have managed to ignore it. So please save your "Biden did what Trump did" line for those who are either in grade school or can't function in life with critical thinking. The majority of us know better.
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I know you already know the differences between what Trump did and what Biden did... or at least you should. It's been pointed out ad nauseum but you have managed to ignore it. So please save your "Biden did what Trump did" line for those who are either in grade school or can't function in life with critical thinking. The majority of us know better.
Hence is the crux of the matter. The disconnection from reality is real.
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I know you already know the differences between what Trump did and what Biden did... or at least you should. It's been pointed out ad nauseum but you have managed to ignore it. So please save your "Biden did what Trump did" line for those who are either in grade school or can't function in life with critical thinking. The majority of us know better.
You honestly believe Biden is fit to be POTUS and is doing a good job?
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I know you already know the differences between what Trump did and what Biden did... or at least you should. It's been pointed out ad nauseum but you have managed to ignore it. So please save your "Biden did what Trump did" line for those who are either in grade school or can't function in life with critical thinking. The majority of us know better.
From what I read, Biden admitted to stealing classified documents during his time as VP, whereas Trump had documents that he said had been declassified, like the President can do. Is that what you see as the difference?
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You honestly believe Biden is fit to be POTUS and is doing a good job?
1. Yes. 2. No. I have said all along Biden is a place holder for someone who will be better. Biden is a better place holder for the country than another Trump term hands down. Not even close. If Jan 6 didn't clue you in on the dangers of Trump, if him trying to coerce a foreign power to investigate his opponent didn't clue you in, if the multitude of documented obvious lies, the report that showed on multiple occasions Trump and his regime if not crossing the line, pushed the line of decency in the Mueller report, then like Coach there is nothing I can say to sway you. Am I pleased with Bidens performance? No.. but it is far and above better than waking up and wondering what the hell Trump has screwed up each day.
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Next is the Dementia excuse - which is plausible.
If so, Trump should take heed because he's got a few screws loose as well. In fact when I think about it, Trump and his possie of legal eagles should consider coping an insanity plea the next time his ass is hauled into court.
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1. Yes. 2. No. I have said all along Biden is a place holder for someone who will be better. Biden is a better place holder for the country than another Trump term hands down. Not even close. If Jan 6 didn't clue you in on the dangers of Trump, if him trying to coerce a foreign power to investigate his opponent didn't clue you in, if the multitude of documented obvious lies, the report that showed on multiple occasions Trump and his regime if not crossing the line, pushed the line of decency in the Mueller report, then like Coach there is nothing I can say to sway you. Am I pleased with Bidens performance? No.. but it is far and above better than waking up and wondering what the hell Trump has screwed up each day.
lmfao.....get a life... nothing like some tds to go w your soy milk latte... nice morning routine!!!!! ...... do you dvr the View or watch it live?
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1. Yes. 2. No. I have said all along Biden is a place holder for someone who will be better. Biden is a better place holder for the country than another Trump term hands down. Not even close. If Jan 6 didn't clue you in on the dangers of Trump, if him trying to coerce a foreign power to investigate his opponent didn't clue you in, if the multitude of documented obvious lies, the report that showed on multiple occasions Trump and his regime if not crossing the line, pushed the line of decency in the Mueller report, then like Coach there is nothing I can say to sway you. Am I pleased with Bidens performance? No.. but it is far and above better than waking up and wondering what the hell Trump has screwed up each day.
The bolded is entirely subjective. I've read the whole transcript of that call. Trump haters say he's doing what you said. Trump supporters say he was investigating corruption. Those who are objective waited and watched to see if the Democrats could prove their case in the impeachment trial. They did not. It was a political stunt.
In addition, the Twitter files showed Schiff's admin lobbied to get reporter Paul Sperry suspended from the Platform for reporting on this. The same reporter who exposed and proved Schiff's lies about not having contact with the whistleblower.
How does that not make one question the validity of that sham?
Between this evidence, and subsequent evidence of Pfizer doing the same, liberals should shed their TDS and start going back to questioning the gov't and big companies.
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1. Yes. 2. No. I have said all along Biden is a place holder for someone who will be better. Biden is a better place holder for the country than another Trump term hands down. Not even close. If Jan 6 didn't clue you in on the dangers of Trump, if him trying to coerce a foreign power to investigate his opponent didn't clue you in, if the multitude of documented obvious lies, the report that showed on multiple occasions Trump and his regime if not crossing the line, pushed the line of decency in the Mueller report, then like Coach there is nothing I can say to sway you. Am I pleased with Bidens performance? No.. but it is far and above better than waking up and wondering what the hell Trump has screwed up each day.
1) "what the hell Trump has screwed up each day" - like what for example ?
2) you think the screwups by Trump are more than Biden's ?
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Biden is a better place holder for the country than another Trump term hands down. Not even close.
This is where you're just flat out wrong. Not even debatable. Absolutely nothing has improved under this shit administration. You've let your media fueled Trump hate cloud your already sketchy decision making abilities.
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Found more at his home. He's done...they've decided to get rid of him. Things are going to get crazy.
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This is where you're just flat out wrong. Not even debatable. Absolutely nothing has improved under this shit administration. You've let your media fueled Trump hate cloud your already sketchy decision making abilities.
Maybe he thinks 3-4 million immigrants illegally crossing the border is good ?
and the other numerous major blunders are all good ?
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The bolded is entirely subjective. I've read the whole transcript of that call. Trump haters say he's doing what you said. Trump supporters say he was investigating corruption. Those who are objective waited and watched to see if the Democrats could prove their case in the impeachment trial. They did not. It was a political stunt.
In addition, the Twitter files showed Schiff's admin lobbied to get reporter Paul Sperry suspended from the Platform for reporting on this. The same reporter who exposed and proved Schiff's lies about not having contact with the whistleblower.
How does that not make one question the validity of that sham?
Between this evidence, and subsequent evidence of Pfizer doing the same, liberals should shed their TDS and start going back to questioning the gov't and big companies.
Come on agnostic, what’s your take?
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Typical NIMBY leftists think things are fine as long as they aren't directly involved.
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Come on agnostic, what’s your take?
He likes to take off and pretend to have been on vacation to avoid these kinds of embarrassing events.
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lmfao.....get a life... nothing like some tds to go w your soy milk latte... nice morning routine!!!!! ...... do you dvr the View or watch it live?
an excellent example of a word salad with no content. We should pin this post
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He likes to take off and pretend to have been on vacation to avoid these kinds of embarrassing events.
"he" spent 3 months in Mexico, 10 days in Nashiville. I have a life... but try to fit Getbig in my schedule. If its not enough time for you, I apologize
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They will not. They fall for every stupid lie and will continue to do so since they are in a cult. They fell for the Russian collusion hoax , the Russian bots hoax, the covid lies , all the race hoaxes , avenatti , you name it.
The bolded is entirely subjective. I've read the whole transcript of that call. Trump haters say he's doing what you said. Trump supporters say he was investigating corruption. Those who are objective waited and watched to see if the Democrats could prove their case in the impeachment trial. They did not. It was a political stunt.
In addition, the Twitter files showed Schiff's admin lobbied to get reporter Paul Sperry suspended from the Platform for reporting on this. The same reporter who exposed and proved Schiff's lies about not having contact with the whistleblower.
How does that not make one question the validity of that sham?
Between this evidence, and subsequent evidence of Pfizer doing the same, liberals should shed their TDS and start going back to questioning the gov't and big companies.
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"he" spent 3 months in Mexico, 10 days in Nashiville. I have a life... but try to fit Getbig in my schedule. If its not enough time for you, I apologize
Notice you didn't address the post in question. :)
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Notice you didn't address the post in question. :)
The thing is, I'm not trying for some "gotcha" type argument. Actual legitimate discussion about a topic that should be bipartisan. The liberals here tend to avoid that.
This is why I prefer podcasts like Darkhorse / Rogan, etc and such to the mainstream. These guys make statements, but if they're wrong, they admit the parts they're wrong about, and discuss.
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The thing is, I'm not trying for some "gotcha" type argument. Actual legitimate discussion about a topic that should be bipartisan. The liberals here tend to avoid that.
This is why I prefer podcasts like Darkhorse / Rogan, etc and such to the mainstream. These guys make statements, but if they're wrong, they admit the parts they're wrong about, and discuss.
That won't happen here. While I enjoy poking fun at the leftists on getbig for their blind loyalty and hypocrisy, I would never claim that the right side is any better.
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Notice you didn't address the post in question. :)
:D
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The thing is, I'm not trying for some "gotcha" type argument. Actual legitimate discussion about a topic that should be bipartisan. The liberals here tend to avoid that.
This is why I prefer podcasts like Darkhorse / Rogan, etc and such to the mainstream. These guys make statements, but if they're wrong, they admit the parts they're wrong about, and discuss.
Can you offer some examples of when Bret Weinstein or Joe Rogan admitted they were wrong about something in their podcasts?