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Re: CARDIO ONLY or WEIGHTS ALSO with losing fat?
« Reply #50 on: December 28, 2007, 04:49:07 PM »
Never said it was, posted it to show how extreme and to what stupid levels people go. My point is there is no need to go that extreme!
 


cool..what is wrong with just eating less, mixing in cardio and lifting weights

hell..I haven't taken any supplements in 3 months..and I don't plan to.
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Re: CARDIO ONLY or WEIGHTS ALSO with losing fat?
« Reply #51 on: December 28, 2007, 04:49:43 PM »
ECA is awesome!  I found a site that sells it, while you have to show your driver's id to buy claritan  ::)


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« Reply #52 on: December 28, 2007, 04:53:23 PM »

cool..what is wrong with just eating less, mixing in cardio and lifting weights

hell..I haven't taken any supplements in 3 months..and I don't plan to.

Nothing wrong with eating "less" as you need to in order to lose bodyfat. Thing that worries me, is some cut calories way too low, lose all the muscle they worked hard for. I believe in eating in a slight caloric deficit as long as your P, C, F ratios are in check. Then, let cardio do its magic.

As for supps, what about a multi-vitamin when dieting? No way you get enough when you are dieting much less enough from regular diet alone.

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« Reply #53 on: December 28, 2007, 04:56:45 PM »

what site is that?

Bronkaid is sold over the counter at CVS or any pharmacy.. Each tablet has 25 mg ephedrine sulfate. By itself its a good upper, but stacking it with caffine gives you a pretty powerful stimulant stack that does work. The aspirin prolongs the effects(from my own experience anyways). Hell, I'd recommend ECA for recreational use.

Bronkaid packet is like $6.99 and comes with 24 tablets. Cheap and effective weight loss that's probably the best.

Medford, instead of buying Newports, spend the seven bucks on some Bronkaid, folgers instant coffee and aspirin.  ::)

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Re: CARDIO ONLY or WEIGHTS ALSO with losing fat?
« Reply #54 on: December 28, 2007, 04:57:14 PM »
Nothing wrong with eating "less" as you need to in order to lose bodyfat. Thing that worries me, is some cut calories way too low, lose all the muscle they worked hard for. I believe in eating in a slight caloric deficit as long as your P, C, F ratios are in check. Then, let cardio do its magic.

As for supps, what about a multi-vitamin when dieting? No way you get enough when you are dieting much less enough from regular diet alone.

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« Reply #55 on: December 28, 2007, 05:00:28 PM »
you guys act like controlling what you eat is a hard thing to do. i ahve done that diet i posted for months on end without a single cheat meal or cheat day...its all a matter of controlling your self. if you have the ability to keep you arm muscles from contracting, to keep them from closin in on a piece of food, to stop you muscles from involuntarily picking up something else and putting it in your mouth...you can stick to any diet.


you guys need to learn about willpower if you couldnt eat chicken and borccoli all day every day.   (even though i DID say a few eggs in the morning as well.


you east only broccoli because broccoli does the best things for your body...and you would never eat turkey because its about as estrogenic as soy is, and you wouldnt want salmon when dieting beause its fat content is way to high, and you are saving your daily fat intake for the egg yolks, which will be boosting testosterone+protein synthesis+thyroid function. (cholestrol and iodine and arachidonic acid all are very high in egg yolks)


i know what the fuck im talking about...im the only person here who has dieted like i have. even mike arvilla lost a whole lot less fat that i did...and he was using gear and had a nutritionist and is a personal trainer.

take my advice and see the results.



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« Reply #56 on: December 28, 2007, 05:03:10 PM »
he said it was losing as much fat as possible.    ...in my opinion...that is the absolute best way to lose fat. no better way...unless you are going to add in some clen, some t-3, and possibly some test..

No it's not, he'll rebound. "clen, t3, and test?" sounds like the guy just wants to drop fat not get ready for a show and have a heart attack.

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« Reply #57 on: December 28, 2007, 05:03:51 PM »
you guys act like controlling what you eat is a hard thing to do. i ahve done that diet i posted for months on end without a single cheat meal or cheat day...its all a matter of controlling your self. if you have the ability to keep you arm muscles from contracting, to keep them from closin in on a piece of food, to stop you muscles from involuntarily picking up something else and putting it in your mouth...you can stick to any diet.






You are talking about self control? You used to be an obese coke addict.
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« Reply #58 on: December 28, 2007, 05:08:02 PM »
alcohol provides my daily vitamin amount

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« Reply #59 on: December 28, 2007, 05:10:21 PM »
cut out the carbs. eat veggies. keep your fats to a minimal...supplement with omega 3's and some cla..eat one or two yolks in the morning.   chicken&broccoli  chicken&broccoli  chicken&broccoli  chicken&broccoli  chicken&broccoli  chicken&broccoli and some more   chicken&broccoli.

train with weights...make sure you train every muscle group over the course of the week. cardio twice a day for 45 mins.


eca + green tea + yohimbe 3 times a day..


put spices on every meal. (cayenne, red pepper, chili powder, black pepper, sodium based calorie free hot sauces..)

point is, when someone really wants (needs) to lose fat as quickly as possible, this is the best way to do it.....

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« Reply #60 on: December 28, 2007, 05:11:36 PM »
point is, when someone really wants (needs) to lose fat as quickly as possible, this is the best way to do it.....

He can't eat that way forever.....he comes off, he rebounds......simple as that!

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« Reply #61 on: December 28, 2007, 05:14:07 PM »
You are talking about self control? You used to be an obese coke addict.

Yeah, why couldn't he control himself by not snorting coke?

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« Reply #62 on: December 28, 2007, 05:24:28 PM »
i know what the fuck im talking about...im the only person here who has dieted like i have. even mike arvilla lost a whole lot less fat that i did...and he was using gear and had a nutritionist and is a personal trainer.

take my advice and see the results.


You did lose a lot of weight - good job.

But to be fair, Arvilla is older and his metabolism is slower.

Furthermore, gear is anabolic, not catabolic. You gain more weight with gear under identical conditions, not lose more weight

Did you stay off the rec drugs while during your weight loss or was this a contributing factor?

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« Reply #63 on: December 28, 2007, 05:28:26 PM »
He can't eat that way forever.....he comes off, he rebounds......simple as that!



If the poster is genetically prone to fatness, only a strict diet will maintain him in a better shape, if he doesnt use any drugs , all he can do is a diet = control his nutrition but i guess people like you who are used to inject shit since decades dont even know what it means anymore.

 i assume you re a longtime gear user, so why talk about losing weight with people who can only do it the natural way?
it makes no sense at all. 

guy asked how to lose fat, he gave him a way to achieve his goal by folowing a strict and easy diet (and anyone with some brains understood he would have to do it for months )and never mentioned it had to be followed til his dying day, even if everyone know its how it works.
For a natural, staying in shape takes a lot of discipline and drive, its an everyday job, especially if your genetics are shit ; so the diet candizizle proposed is the realistic way to go.

The basics to lose weight and keep fatness low are; chicken /turkey and vegetables , water and physical activity, yes thats how it works in the "natural" world.



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Re: CARDIO ONLY or WEIGHTS ALSO with losing fat?
« Reply #64 on: December 28, 2007, 05:47:40 PM »


If the poster is genetically prone to fatness, only a strict diet will maintain him in a better shape, if he doesnt use any drugs , all he can do is a diet = control his nutrition but i guess people like you who are used to inject shit since decades dont even know what it means anymore.

 i assume you re a longtime gear user, so why talk about losing weight with people who can only do it the natural way?
it makes no sense at all. 

guy asked how to lose fat, he gave him a way to achieve his goal by folowing a strict and easy diet (and anyone with some brains understood he would have to do it for months )and never mentioned it had to be followed til his dying day, even if everyone know its how it works.
For a natural, staying in shape takes a lot of discipline and drive, its an everyday job, especially if your genetics are shit ; so the diet candizizle proposed is the realistic way to go.

The basics to lose weight and keep fatness low are; chicken /turkey and vegetables , water and physical activity, yes thats how it works in the "natural" world.




have you seen pictures of candidate? for all of his extreme dieting he is still skinny fat  ::)
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« Reply #65 on: December 28, 2007, 05:51:28 PM »
Keeping things simple and simply cutting calories is far easier than maintaining a chicken and veggies diet..  ::) Try candidate's shit and you're bound to get fucking sick of it and give up, or just eat a lot of cheat meals. Simply cutting calories and eating a balanced diet is easier to maintain and much more likely to yield better results for the average gym rat wanting to lose some weight.

And make sure you visit CVS and pick up some Bronkaid and Folgers instant coffee.  8)

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« Reply #66 on: December 28, 2007, 06:09:55 PM »
you guys act like controlling what you eat is a hard thing to do. i ahve done that diet i posted for months on end without a single cheat meal or cheat day...its all a matter of controlling your self. if you have the ability to keep you arm muscles from contracting, to keep them from closin in on a piece of food, to stop you muscles from involuntarily picking up something else and putting it in your mouth...you can stick to any diet.


you guys need to learn about willpower if you couldnt eat chicken and borccoli all day every day.   (even though i DID say a few eggs in the morning as well.


you east only broccoli because broccoli does the best things for your body...and you would never eat turkey because its about as estrogenic as soy is, and you wouldnt want salmon when dieting beause its fat content is way to high, and you are saving your daily fat intake for the egg yolks, which will be boosting testosterone+protein synthesis+thyroid function. (cholestrol and iodine and arachidonic acid all are very high in egg yolks)


i know what the fuck im talking about...im the only person here who has dieted like i have. even mike arvilla lost a whole lot less fat that i did...and he was using gear and had a nutritionist and is a personal trainer.

take my advice and see the results.



I`ve dieted stricter than you many times......try tuna and water to get ripped.

You can eat salmon,turkey,and even ground turkey to get leaner without any problems whatsoever.

Broccoli can be replaced with any fibrous green vegetable.

Cycling carbs is a really good option also.

A calorie deficit while meeting protein requirements and cycling carbs with a high water intake woirks best for me,and will work for anyone as long as they stick to it.

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Re: CARDIO ONLY or WEIGHTS ALSO with losing fat?
« Reply #67 on: December 28, 2007, 06:12:40 PM »




 i assume you re a longtime gear user, so why talk about losing weight with people who can only do it the natural way?
it makes no sense at all. 


The basics to lose weight and keep fatness low are; chicken /turkey and vegetables , water and physical activity, yes thats how it works in the "natural" world.




1. Because I do it for a living, have been for more than 20 years and I don't need to use gear, thermos, t3 or clen to have them achieve a long term healthy goal

2. I do agree with you those are the "basics", but there are a million more combinations one can use to drop weight, and of course, phyisical activity is important.

This is just one of many of my clients who have succeded using my methods.........

http://joelocalpt.com/success.htm

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« Reply #68 on: December 28, 2007, 06:14:19 PM »
I`ve dieted stricter than you many times......try tuna and water to get ripped.

You can eat salmon,turkey,and even ground turkey to get leaner without any problems whatsoever.

Broccoli can be replaced with any fibrous green vegetable.

Cycling carbs is a really good option also.

A calorie deficit while meeting protein requirements and cycling carbs with a high water intake woirks best for me,and will work for anyone as long as they stick to it.

Tim, you wrote a great artical on carb cycling......I think you should post it.

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« Reply #69 on: December 28, 2007, 06:18:12 PM »
Canned Jizz Load actually believes he has a Phd in Nutrional Science, just ask him.
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« Reply #70 on: December 28, 2007, 07:01:34 PM »
Thanks Joe......here it is:

Carb's... And Carb Cycling For Fat Loss
by Tim Wescott

When dieting for a bodybuilding contest, I use an arsenal of weapons to lose unsightly excess body fat. One of the dietary procedures I institute, is to cycle my carbs. Carbohydrates are used as energy by the body, they fuel our workouts, as well as providing ample fuel to be used throughout the course of the day. Ingesting carbs also replenishes our glucose and glycogen stores to prevent fatigue. Carb cycling allows you to still eat carbs from clean sources, without adding body fat, and cycling enables you to better utilize fat for burning as fuel, as opposed to burning carbs and muscle tissue for fuel.

Are Carbs The Evil Enemy ??
Carbs are not the evil villian the media makes them out to be. Improper carb timing can however, cause these carbs to be stored as fat. Carbs are not essential to the body, but they make dieting, and eating in general, a lot easier and more pleasurable... as long as the carbs are from the proper sources. Carbs get a bad rap in the news lately, due to people jumping on the proverbial bandwagon to make a buck off the latest trend in dieting.... low carbs! There are tons of low carb foods hitting the grocery stores daily, everything from bread, to potato chips, can now be found with a low carb label.
A few years back it was all about bashing fats....remember??

What will it be next year....protein? We'll just have to wait and see I guess, but they'll think of something.

Junk Carbs !!
Carbohydrates eaten in excess, or eaten at the wrong times, can help to add adipose tissue to the body, but they are not a bad thing if incorporated into a diet properly. Eat the majority of your carbs early in the day and at the post-workout meal, tapering off on them as the day goes on. Never eat carbs late at night, opt for protein instead. Sugar laden junk foods are always bad, and they are comprised mostly of carbs, and fat. In turn, they should have no place in a serious bodybuilders diet. If people eliminated, or cut down on junk food alone, they would lose a lot of weight, and look and feel much better for it. Quitting junk food however, is usually too much to ask for most people. Most junk food is simply calorie dense garbage, totally devoid of any nutrients.

When I devise a diet for a trainee ,the first step I implement is to have them cut back on junk gradually, until it is totally eliminated from the diet, except for the rare occasional treat. Once it's gone from the diet, it's usually not thought about again, except for the occasional craving. Eating junk food is a conditioned thing that can, and should be eliminated. In this article I will outline a plan that still allows you to eat healthy amounts of good carbs, and still lose fat in the process.

As I mentioned earlier, it's not carbs that are the villain, but rather the type of carbs eaten, and the specific times that they are ingested. If you are indulging in junk food on a daily basis, then you will most likely get fatter. Another problem is eating carbs too close to bedtime, when your activity and expenditure of energy is lessened. This is not a mystery, and all that's needed by the person looking to lose body fat is a lifestyle change !! Cut down on eating the crap, and you'll be well on your way to better health, increased energy, and a leaner body.

The Proper Attitude !!
When talking to bodybuilder's and other's, that want to lose fat, or increase muscular definition for competition purposes, I often find a trend in their thinking that they can still eat things in moderate portions that are usually considered taboo, while on most diets. Terms like "re-feed","cheat meal,"and "cheat day," almost always come up. These ideas can be used to your advantage, but in my opinion, you should wait until you are pretty close to achieving your desired body fat % goals before even thinking about them at all. Yes folks, I'm an "old school" type of guy who will tell you right off the bat, that you MUST make some sacrifices, and give up all negative eating habits to achieve these goals if you want to succeed in losing fat or winning a contest!!

I typically diet down for bodybuilding contests achieving approximately 3 - 5% body fat. Did I accomplish this while cheating and eating the occasional junk treat? My answer is a resounding NO. I suffered a bit here and there, but once I flip the switch in my mind to eat "clean" I do just that. There can be no half measures. You must get into the proper mindset and stay completely focused on achieving your goals, if you screw around and cheat once, you will repeat this cheating again and again. I know this from early attempts at getting cut-up, and from experiences learned from training my clients. Remain steadfast on your mission to getting lean, and you most definitely will.

Cycling Carbs !!
What we do when we cycle carbs in the manner that I advise, is to have three low carb days, followed by two higher carb days, to aid in recovery, and to replenish glycogen. This gives us just the right amount of carbs to be used as fuel without becoming an excessive amount. Always use carbs from clean foods not junk foods of course. The most important thing about carb cycling, in my opinion, is too never go too high throughout the diet, except for the latter stages, and only if necessary. We'll discuss this aspect of the diet later in this article!

What I recommend as a starting point, to determine just how many carbs you should eat on your highest day, is to eat 1 to 1.5 grams of carbs per pound of bodyweight. Start out using the latter number and adjust according to your results. I might add that it is vital to keep a nutrition journal when cycling carbs to be able to chart progress and make adjustments during the diet. This takes the guesswork out of dieting, and can also be looked back upon in the future to see how the body responded to certain tactics, and is an invaluable tool.

NOTE: Do not count fibrous vegetables into your total carb count for the day. They are low in calories and carbs and are a good source of fiber and do not count in the scheme of things while carb cycling. Only count starchy complex carbs.

Some tweaking will of course be necessary for most, as some of us are a bit more "carb sensitive" than others. Activity level, training intensity level, age, as well as sex, will determine how much you will need to adjust things, but as a rule I have found that 200 grams of carbs as your highest amount, is a good place to start. After a time you can decide whether you want to raise them a bit, or lower them, based on your results, and your body's feedback. It is a good practice to try this technique well in advance of your contest to sort of "learn" your body, and how it responds to this procedure.

Below is an example of my 5 day carb cycling method using 200 grams of carbs as the highest amount on a high day.


Day-1)150 grams

Day-2)100 grams

Day-3) 50 grams

Day-4)125 grams

Day-5)200 grams

Repeat cycle as written, throughout the course of the diet.

Essentially what I do is drop 50 grams of carbs over the course of the first 3 days, then increase by 75 grams, for the next two days. Some people prefer to raise fat intake on the lower carb days, or to increase fats on their off training days, to make up for the lost calories on the lower carb days. You can do this if you choose to, but I find it interferes with the fat burning process as fat is a calorie dense macronutrient that is needed by the body, but builds no muscle.

I also believe that without the fat increase you will burn more fat as fuel on the low carb days, especially when training hard, dieting and doing cardiovascular workouts. Besides as far as calories go, protein and carbs are not calorie dense and you must be in a calorie deficit to lose body fat for a lengthy period of time such as a 16 week contest prep diet or just a fat loss diet for the fitness enthusiast, no matter if he or she competes or not.

Reaching A Plateau !!
Eventually, you will more than likely reach a fat burning plateau, and this is the time where we can implement a "tweak" in the cycle plan. The body is resistant to change and it will eventually adapt to any stressors put upon it so after a time you may stop burning fat as fuel.

This is a good time to suddenly eat 3-4 good high carb days in a row ,or to simply eat a "cheat" meal or have a "cheat" day, just to trip up the metabolism, and get it jumpstarted so to speak, thus enabling the fat burning process to resume.

Another way you can also accomplish this is to go to zero carbs for 3 days and 3 days only. This will accomplish the same thing as the 3-4 high carb days or the "cheats". This is the only time to take fibrous vegetables into consideration, as no carbs whatsoever should be ingested during the 3 zero carb days. Do not stay at zero carbs for any longer than 3 days, and never go below 50 carbs as your lowest amount, throughout the entire length of the diet other than the occasional zero carb 3 day period. Any lower, and the brain suffers, and thinking becomes cloudy, as the brain needs a certain amount of carbs to function optimally.

Complex Carbs!!
These are the best sources of clean carbs to use when dieting in general, and when cycling carbs:

Baked Potatoes

Yams

Sweet Potatoes

Brown Rice

Oatmeal

Cream Of Wheat

Grits

I do not eat bread of any kind, or dairy products when dieting, and I recommend that you don't either, to help optimize fat burning. The only time to eat simple carbs other than vegetables is at the post-workout meal when you should take in 50 grams of dextrose with a whey protein shake immediately after training. You do add these carbs from dextrose into your daily total, because even though they are utilized efficiently by the body at the post-workout feeding, they are still carbs, and should count towards your total for the day.Don`t worry about the glycemic index of the foods ,but instead be more concerned with total carbs ingested for the day. It should never be too high!!

I also recommend HIIT cardio while dieting, and a high protein intake throughout the diet, as this will help to ensure that you retain the hard earned muscle that you've garnered from your training.

I hope this article helps you out in your quest for a better physique, and better health, via a lean muscular body.


GOOD LUCK AND TRAIN HARD!

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Re: CARDIO ONLY or WEIGHTS ALSO with losing fat?
« Reply #71 on: December 28, 2007, 08:57:38 PM »
have you seen pictures of candidate? for all of his extreme dieting he is still skinny fat  ::)
post a side chest shot, you fucking hating ass bitch.

i swear to god your the only guy that gets me fired up on this site...i really would fight you if you said anyof this shit in real life...


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« Reply #72 on: December 28, 2007, 08:59:12 PM »
He can't eat that way forever.....he comes off, he rebounds......simple as that!
yes he CAN eat that way forever. thats a stupid thing to say...      and he will NOT rebound, as long as he tapers back into a so-called "normal" diet. the body will adapt to it.      anybody will gain fat with a huge and abrubt increase in daily calorie intake...no matter what their previous calorie intake was at.

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« Reply #73 on: December 28, 2007, 09:03:55 PM »
I`ve dieted stricter than you many times......try tuna and water to get ripped.

ooooooh your fucking big and bad now!! hahaha. bro..i didntsay that was "the strictest" ive ever dieted. i said that that was what i thought was the best way to diet. tuna+water is NOT the best way to diet.  and WHAT your eating is not the indicator of "strictness", its how consistant with what your eating that indicates strictness.

You can eat salmon,turkey,and even ground turkey to get leaner without any problems whatsoever.

salmon= too high calorie/fat content. turkey=estrogenic.

Broccoli can be replaced with any fibrous green vegetable.

yes, it can. but broccoli will yield the best result out of all of them. there is both real world experience, and science based logic behind that fact.

Cycling carbs is a really good option also.

true.. but for THE FASTEST weight loss possible..its not the BEST option.   a carb cycling plan would be best for when he is tapering back into a higher carb diet. although i think he should taper back into a higher fat, moderate carb diet..but whatever..a caloric surplus is a caloric surplus.


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Re: CARDIO ONLY or WEIGHTS ALSO with losing fat?
« Reply #74 on: December 28, 2007, 09:07:55 PM »
Keeping things simple and simply cutting calories is far easier than maintaining a chicken and veggies diet..  ::) Try candidate's shit and you're bound to get fucking sick of it and give up,
the fact that the person has absolutely no will power is beyond my control.  

the fact is...my advice was perfect for the question asked.

the guy didnt ask for a "moderate diet that will yeild results but yet is still easy to sat on and allows for the occasional tasty food.". the guy said "fastest fat loss possible". AND I QUOTE.

stupid fucking BITCH!