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no matter how tough they seem on stage they only weigh 140 lbs. could you hulking beefcakes dispose of them? do you think the average 230lb pro bber could beat them up in a street fight? is technique alone enough to make up for 90+ lbs in muscular bodyweight?
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no matter how tough they seem on stage they only weigh 140 lbs. could you hulking beefcakes dispose of them? do you think the average 230lb pro bber could beat them up in a street fight? is technique alone enough to make up for 90+ lbs in muscular bodyweight?
Depends on the boxer imo. If hes a badass, he can fuck you up.
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Depends on the boxer imo. If hes a badass, he can fuck you up.
Bingo!! Size gives to many people the illusion of toughness
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Depends how open you fight. if you can get a hold of him you've won
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Never ever - boxer comes in at blazing speed and before you can react you got hit a good 5 times.
Time to go to sleep.
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depends on the personality of the bodybuilder and his experiences in life
a guy like phil heath for example seems like he wouldn't even know how to make a fist
a pissed off kai greene on the other hand...
just me assuming kai greene is tougher and more violent since he's from the ghetto
:D
it would require the fearlessness and aggression to eat a punch or two and be able to get a hold of the boxer and manage to get on top of him
then kai would be able to murder him
circling around in boxing range lol another story
i don't know much about fighting tho, just thinking out loud
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Ronnie Coleman or mR president Yates would squash that tiny little bug in pieces ;D
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no matter how tough they seem on stage they only weigh 140 lbs. could you hulking beefcakes dispose of them? do you think the average 230lb pro bber could beat them up in a street fight? is technique alone enough to make up for 90+ lbs in muscular bodyweight?
Lets make this simple. 147 WW Olympic boxer vs NPC 230lb HW = BBer knocked into the next life.
Lets not bother with a Pro vs a Pro. Then, this starts to get silly.
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Lets make this simple. 147 WW Olympic boxer vs NPC 230lb HW = BBer knocked into the next life.
Lets not bother with a Pro vs a Pro. Then, this starts to get silly.
really depends how tough the bodybuilder is
some bodybuilders have done some boxing and or have been street thugs or area boys in their former life
like dorian yates was some skin head punk he must know how to handle himself
or ronnie coleman being a cop
or flex wheeler a ninja
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really depends how tough the bodybuilder is
some bodybuilders have done some boxing and or have been street thugs or area boys in their former life
like dorian yates was some skin head punk he must know how to handle himself
or ronnie coleman being a cop
or flex wheeler a ninja
Cotto or Marg would destroy Ronnie or Yates.
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Cotto or Marg would destroy Ronnie or Yates.
depends
if it's in a small place and they can't use foot work to evade the bullrush then they will be on their backs screaming for mercy in no time
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you all must be retarded ... you obviously never been in a ring lol
size means shit ...
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you all must be retarded ... you obviously never been in a ring lol
size means shit ...
a ring is an artificial controlled setting with plenty of room for footwork and nothing to pick up or fall/trip on
just saying
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a ring is an artificial controlled setting with plenty of room for footwork and nothing to pick up or fall/trip on
just saying
besides your penchant for teh cock your iq seems quite shallow .. just sayin'
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Did you forget what 70 kg Roger "El Matador" Huerta did to 230 lbs NFL-Linebacker Rashad Bobino?
Huerta isn't even a pro-boxer.
Rashad Bobino at 6:14
Roger Huerta
(http://www.cdn.sherdog.com/_images/fighter/20081018053703_huerta.JPG)
Quite the size-advantage on Bobino in yellow
(http://starcasm.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/RashadBobinoRogerHuerta.gif?ggnoads)
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besides your penchant for teh cock your iq seems quite shallow .. just sayin'
if you don't understand a feather weight boxer can become smashed potatoes when squaring off with a pro bodybuilder in a street fight
then you lack the necessary brain power to be insulted so I will not try
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if you don't understand a feather weight boxer can become smashed potatoes when squaring off with a pro bodybuilder in a street fight
then you lack the necessary brain power to be insulted so I will not try
the only thing lacking here is your testosterone levels hun
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A good welterweight boxer would dispose of most guys regardless of size,especially if his streetfight game is good also.
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you all must be retarded ... you obviously never been in a ring lol
size means shit ...
why do they have weightclasses then????? ::) ::) ::)
size means a lot!
sure a big dude will win from a small dude, IF the big dude knows how to fight a little.
I train mma, and bjj, a lot of guys far better then me, but smaller and lighter have a hard time with me.
And a 150 pound guy does not hit as hard as a 250 pound guy. never ever!
That is the whole reason they have weightclasses, so it is fair.
When you have a big dude that knows 0 about fighting , sure he wil get ko'd by a lighter and skilled fighter....
But if the big dude knows how to fight, the lighter dude is in trouble.
And you do have badasses that never trained in fighting but would kill any mma fighter in the streets!
i know a lot of mma fighters that are big pussies in a streetfight, it's not the same thing.
look at Bob Sapp, he beat Hoost, a world class kickboxer.... why ???? SIZE!
Sapp his fight against Noqueira, have you seen that fight? Sapp almost killed him....! Noqueira got him in the end, but he was never the same after that fight.... he got hurt bad! why ?? size!!
k1 champ Semmy Schilt, not a very skilled fighter at all! boring as hell... won the k1 various times, why??? size!!
to say size means shit is stupid....
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It's obvious some of you guys know NOTHING about pro boxers or amateur boxers. I bet a good small boxer could KO Kai Green and Ronnie Coleman at the same time.
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It's obvious some of you guys know NOTHING about pro boxers or amateur boxers. I bet a good small boxer could KO Kai Green and Ronnie Coleman at the same time.
yes he could, but if ronnie or kai or whomever knew just a little wrestling, and just a little boxing themselfs it's gonna be a different story!!!
WHY DO YOU THINK THEY HAVE WEIGHCLASSES IN MARTIAL ARTS THEN???????
and in a streetfight a lot of "martial artist" are pussies!
i got in a fight with a muay thai fighter a few weeks ago, ko'd his ass with one punch....
why? there was no ring, no ref, no rules, and he was a big mouthed bully....
he was my height , a bit smaller... and a lot lighter!!
i have sparred with light guys, and their punches are not that hard! when i train with my heavyweight friends... that hurts! lol!
a heavyweight can end a fight with one punch! that rarely happens in a lightweight fight....
btw i love boxing! i train boxing and get my ass kicked lol! it's very , very difficult... but to say size means shit is just stupid!
when sparring with the little guys, sure i get hit , a lot! lol...
but i take a few punches, get close, and can take them to the ground... but it's not allowed in boxing...
and also i can destroy their legs with lowkicks, also not allowed in boxing.
when they spar with us they get manhandled... when we have boxing classes they use us as punching bags! lol!
but size means a lot!!!!
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why do they have weightclasses then????? ::) ::) ::)
size means a lot!
sure a big dude will win from a small dude, IF the big dude knows how to fight a little.
I train mma, and bjj, a lot of guys far better then me, but smaller and lighter have a hard time with me.
And a 150 pound guy does not hit as hard as a 250 pound guy. never ever!
That is the whole reason they have weightclasses, so it is fair.
When you have a big dude that knows 0 about fighting , sure he wil get ko'd by a lighter and skilled fighter....
But if the big dude knows how to fight, the lighter dude is in trouble.
And you do have badasses that never trained in fighting but would kill any mma fighter in the streets!
i know a lot of mma fighters that are big pussies in a streetfight, it's not the same thing.
look at Bob Sapp, he beat Hoost, a world class kickboxer.... why ???? SIZE!
Sapp his fight against Noqueira, have you seen that fight? Sapp almost killed him....! Noqueira got him in the end, but he was never the same after that fight.... he got hurt bad! why ?? size!!
k1 champ Semmy Schilt, not a very skilled fighter at all! boring as hell... won the k1 various times, why??? size!!
to say size means shit is stupid....
This isn't about 2 trained professionals, so size matter. It's about a young Ronnie Coleman 230 or so vs Miguel Cotto, in which Cotto destroys him. Hand speed, ability to take a punch and sit on a punch, etc, etc, etc.
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This isn't about 2 trained professionals, so size matter. It's about a young Ronnie Coleman 230 or so vs Miguel Cotto, in which Cotto destroys him. Hand speed, ability to take a punch and sit on a punch, etc, etc, etc.
have you even read my post???
this isn't about 2 professionals....you say...
well, read my post bro.... i just mentioned that a guy that knows 0 about fighting will get ko'd by a trained fighter....
just people here say size means shit.... that is stupid....
really a silly discussion .... i am off.... ;D
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If yourn't a retard and you have that much weight on someone you should be able to steamrole them. You can eat the first punch or two on top of the head while you do a running bull rush takedown like cock chestner does.
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Most bodybuilders are mirror "athletes." If they weren't they would be in professional sports like the NFL. What do you think would happen if Jay Cutler faced off a Division I third stringer lineman face to face with pads. He would end up on his ass. If he did mangage to stay on his feet he would be winded to the point of having no strength quickly.
Leave the street fight scenario along for a minute. Do you really think there is any 250lb pro bodybuilder than could beat a world class 147lb pro boxer in the ring? If you believe this you have never fought in the ring. It would be really ugly quickly. Same for a light weight MMA fighter.
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my money would be on the boxer all day
in the same way that my money would be on the bber in a posedown
its comparing apples with oranges
try an olympic shot putter vs a bber
the athlete would outthrow all day as its HIS EVENT
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why do they have weightclasses then????? ::) ::) ::)
size means a lot!
sure a big dude will win from a small dude, IF the big dude knows how to fight a little.
I train mma, and bjj, a lot of guys far better then me, but smaller and lighter have a hard time with me.
And a 150 pound guy does not hit as hard as a 250 pound guy. never ever!
That is the whole reason they have weightclasses, so it is fair.
When you have a big dude that knows 0 about fighting , sure he wil get ko'd by a lighter and skilled fighter....
But if the big dude knows how to fight, the lighter dude is in trouble.
And you do have badasses that never trained in fighting but would kill any mma fighter in the streets!
i know a lot of mma fighters that are big pussies in a streetfight, it's not the same thing.
look at Bob Sapp, he beat Hoost, a world class kickboxer.... why ???? SIZE!
Sapp his fight against Noqueira, have you seen that fight? Sapp almost killed him....! Noqueira got him in the end, but he was never the same after that fight.... he got hurt bad! why ?? size!!
k1 champ Semmy Schilt, not a very skilled fighter at all! boring as hell... won the k1 various times, why??? size!!
to say size means shit is stupid....
haha.. listen mr MMA: with all your size and bj training a weltereight of olympic caliber wout lay you out all the time every time. Go to a boxing gym and challenge the flyweights homie :))))))))))))))))
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haha.. listen mr MMA: with all your size and bj training a weltereight of olympic caliber wout lay you out all the time every time. Go to a boxing gym and challenge the flyweights homie :))))))))))))))))
mr MMA .. lol.. original man thought of that one all by yourself?
and it's bjj training... not bj training, keep the blowjob training for yourself please.... ::)
i train at a boxing gym, and get my ass kicked by boxers, like i said.. but they do not KO me..
and in a streetfight where anything goes, I will take them to the ground and it's over.
you make it seem that boxing is somekind of ubermartial arts form, it;s not!
and the flyweights do not hit that hard, lol.... you know that you throw your weight into a punch , right??
so more weight = a harder punch....
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no matter how tough they seem on stage they only weigh 140 lbs. could you hulking beefcakes dispose of them? do you think the average 230lb pro bber could beat them up in a street fight? is technique alone enough to make up for 90+ lbs in muscular bodyweight?
In a boxing match a 115 lbs decent amateur or pro would beat any 240 lbs Pro BB in less than 5 minutes , no ifs or buts .
street fights , that's a whole different story .
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In a boxing match a 115 lbs decent amateur or pro would beat any 240 lbs Pro BB in less than 5 minutes , no ifs or buts .
street fights , that's a whole different story .
depents on the pro bb..... if he trained wrestling in highschool??? or maybe he started as an mma fighter and got in bb later in life...???
depends on the skills of the fighter!!!
the whole reason they have weightclasses is for it to be fair!
because if all is equal the heavier fighter is a advantage, a big one even!
a skilled fighter will kill a 240pounds dude with no skill, sure! and in a ring , sure even more so....
but people here say size means shit... that is very wrong! size means a lot! that was my point... ;D
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mr MMA .. lol.. original man thought of that one all by yourself?
and it's bjj training... not bj training, keep the blowjob training for yourself please.... ::)
i train at a boxing gym, and get my ass kicked by boxers, like i said.. but they do not KO me..
and in a streetfight where anything goes, I will take them to the ground and it's over.
you make it seem that boxing is somekind of ubermartial arts form, it;s not!
and the flyweights do not hit that hard, lol.... you know that you throw your weight into a punch , right??
so more weight = a harder punch....
Vitor Belfort vs Scott Ferrozzo , Tank Abbott was doing commentary and said Roy Jones ain't gonna knock out Mike Tyson , two seconds later Vitor dropped Ferrozzo , without missing a beat Tank says ' okay I could be wrong ' lol
Ferrozzo was over 300 and Vitor I believe was under 200 , it all depends on the fighter , a size advantage is not a foregone conclusion to a victory , Scott Hackney vs Emmanuel Yarborough , Marco Ruas vs Paul Varelans , Royce Gracie vs Kimo , I mean I could go on-and-on
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If the bodybuilder has never had any kind of fight practice, it's only fair that the boxer has never done any kind of resistance training.
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depents on the pro bb..... if he trained wrestling in highschool??? or maybe he started as an mma fighter and got in bb later in life...???
depends on the skills of the fighter!!!
the whole reason they have weightclasses is for it to be fair!
because if all is equal the heavier fighter is a advantage, a big one even!
a skilled fighter will kill a 240pounds dude with no skill, sure! and in a ring , sure even more so....
but people here say size means shit... that is very wrong! size means a lot! that was my point... ;D
I thought the question was, ww boxer vs big muscular untrained bodybuider.
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Vitor Belfort vs Scott Ferrozzo , Tank Abbott was doing commentary and said Roy Jones ain't gonna knock out Mike Tyson , two seconds later Vitor dropped Ferrozzo , without missing a beat Tank says ' okay I could be wrong ' lol
Ferrozzo was over 300 and Vitor I believe was under 200 , it all depends on the fighter , a size advantage is not a foregone conclusion to a victory , Scott Hackney vs Emmanuel Yarborough , Marco Ruas vs Paul Varelans , Royce Gracie vs Kimo , I mean I could go on-and-on
vitor was 200 plus in that fight, was a heavyweight fight....
and please Ferrozzo?? i said when all is equal lol!
i get your point bro... agreed actually...
just people say size means shit, and that is wrong, size means a lot. That is the whole reason they have weightclasses!
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I thought the question was, ww boxer vs big muscular untrained bodybuider.
then offcourse the boxer will win.....
i did not see the untrained part in the thread though... lol!
also is it in a ring or in the streets....
just size does mean a lot! that was my whole point....
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I have seen some top amateurs (121 fights 113 wins) get badly owned in a fight. he was about 150lbs.
He got beat up by an average guy in teh street on a night out.
I find that if boxers forget that when they fight in the street and there are no rules that they do very well most of the time. However many of them box within boxing rules and it does not work.
Saying that the average 230lbs bodybuilder cannot throw a punch and most likely has never been hit before.
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depends on the personality of the bodybuilder and his experiences in life
a guy like phil heath for example seems like he wouldn't even know how to make a fist
a pissed off kai greene on the other hand...
just me assuming kai greene is tougher and more violent since he's from the ghetto
:D
it would require the fearlessness and aggression to eat a punch or two and be able to get a hold of the boxer and manage to get on top of him
then kai would be able to murder him
circling around in boxing range lol another story
i don't know much about fighting tho, just thinking out loud
Boxers are no grapefruits.
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a trained welter can pick apart a bb in the ring. Yes, there is a power factor that goes into the equation. The bb should be able to absorb the shots for a period, but they accumulate fast + if that bb is pushing himself to capture the welter while being under duress (getting tagged) he will tire even faster in that ring (seize up) thus the welter will simply start teeing off on him until the big man has fallen or simply gassed.
In a street fight i'm taking the bb all day (if he is aggressive in nature)...all he has to do is get his hands on a welter and it's a wrap. Power-bomb time.
If the bb is aggressive in nature (in the ring) he'll try to land a halo bomb on the welter on any part of his body...they (the welter) will respect the power but they STILL have the tool bag to pick him (bb) apart no matter the bb cardio.
like one poster said..apples and oranges comparison. When I spar with lightweights up to middle the key for me is speed..not power even though I outweigh them. Lateral movement, countering and speed. I reserve my power for later on when I get tired (which I always do simply bc I can't keep up a 60-70 punches a rd pace with them at over 200+ for 12 rds)...I check them with my power LATE. If I did it early I'd be dead tired after 2-3 rds.
welters are fucking fast as hell man. get in there and spar...lightweights are even faster. sure I can absorb when I need to but the shots add up in there...trust me. I don't care if it's floyd mayweather....even he will talk about how he made a 200+ guy quit before he talks about ko'ing pacman or mosely..etc. When I spar lighter guys their eyes light up b/c they see me as a mark at 200+, so they go even harder to try to punish me....so imagine how they'll tee off on a bb with no boxing skills.
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I have seen some top amateurs (121 fights 113 wins) get badly owned in a fight. he was about 150lbs.
He got beat up by an average guy in teh street on a night out.
I find that if boxers forget that when they fight in the street and there are no rules that they do very well most of the time. However many of them box within boxing rules and it does not work.
Saying that the average 230lbs bodybuilder cannot throw a punch and most likely has never been hit before.
yeah the key is taking the shot. Most humans let alone bb'rs can't take a boxers shot..even if from a lighter guy it's something never experienced before...even if it's not a ko shot..it's stunning.
and yes..boxers in street fights have a higher % of winning but they can lose if they are the 100% boxer rules of the game type fighters with ZERO street in them. I'd take a 200+ guy with street skills over a 147 lb amateur boxer all day(in a street setting). Street fights are not about attrition or stamina...it's about getting the job done simple and fast.
I always get the "nobody must mess with you out in town" line b/c of my boxing history...I tell them..1) I don't fight in the streets for one thing b/c I will kill somebody and it's not b/c of boxing skills 2) I wouldn't box anyway if I had to fight in the streets...it don't work most of the time. Nobody is going to let me establish the jab and use lateral movement in the streets...they are going to rush me(and that is leaving out the gun, jumping element)..this is where knowing muay thai, grappling and judo comes in handy...not boxing...that is last..if I see a guy wanting to trade...then yes..all day boxing.
Knowing how to box in the streets only means you can land a shot and shut a guy down completely IF and only IF you get that alley to do so. Most of the time you are getting rushed like a blitz in the NFL with no rules...knowing how to hip toss, clinch..etc works here..not establishing the jab or right hand. lol
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It takes about 800 is of force to knock out a guy that big. the small boxer can't hit that hard.
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It takes about 800 is of force to knock out a guy that big. the small boxer can't hit that hard.
you are leaving out the element of using another force (countering)...a timely placed right hand counter on a big guy rushing in with his chin out on a platter = KO all day. His body mass and force will probably surpass that 800 ratio alone due to his aggression...this is where being a boxer pays off...all we do is "place the shot"...basically just land the shot on the sweet spot ....use your energy to add to the blast (power) thus a KO is the end result.
if you have a thick neck (wrestlers neck or football neck we like to call it) you can probably absorb that blast though. I have a football neck and head so KO'in me is not happening..I wont allow it..even a sucker punch...that fucker better be mike tyson. You have to be prepared to know that everybody doesn't go down from a punch in the fight game. What is your backup plan? ...etc
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you are leaving out the element of using another force (countering)...a timely placed right hand counter on a big guy rushing in with his chin out on a platter = KO all day. His body mass and force will probably surpass that 800 ratio alone due to his aggression...this is where being a boxer pays off...all we do is "place the shot"...basically just land the shot on the sweet spot ....use your energy to add to the blast (power) thus a KO is the end result.
if you have a thick neck (wrestlers neck or football neck we like to call it) you can probably absorb that blast though. I have a football neck and head so KO'in me is not happening..I wont allow it..even a sucker punch...that fucker better be mike tyson. You have to be prepared to know that everybody doesn't go down from a punch in the fight game. What is your backup plan? ...etc
Lol you are quite the monster, what are your stats?
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Lol you are quite the monster, what are your stats?
nah man I'm not a world beater dude. I'm a cool, laid back guy. I'm just aggressive by nature and love the sport of physical combat. I like to teach what I've been taught, learn and also improve my game to help. I'm currently 5'11 215 34 yrs old. holding a nice holiday snug 15-17% bf right now lol. work out twice a day..6am weights cardio for an hour then after work 1 hour boxing/whatever in my home gym. If I get a call to spar I'm ready to help a brother out.
I'm a system engineer full time for a prominent DOD contractor/ Master degree/married no kids type, so I don't do this (fight) as a career, fighting is a hobby for me(i'm just good at it lol), but I want to make sure i'm in shape if I get the call. Got a guy in colorado about to fight on Dec 17..I stay in shape to get him in some good spar right now. He's a welter. I get down in weight, fly out there and get him in some good heavy power sparring(all for free...he's a homie). The guy he's fighting aint no way in hell he hits harder than me type stuff.
Other than that man, I'm your regular avg get bigger man. Nothing special. I just happen to have deep fight game knowledge and love to learn. My muay thai I learned from a guy that did TRUE muay thai from thailand.
In addition.. a little secret...if you want to make your neck a shock absorber do neck exercises every other day. I do neck flexions minimum ever other day along with shrugs to build a nice thick solid dog neck. Mike Tyson didn't take a good shot b/c of his head movements..it was b/c he had a nice thick shock absorbing dog neck. my neck is only 17 at my stats (always been since high school).
If you have a flat bench just lay over it laterally and do side to sides, up and downs, circulars ..etc with normal head weight...you can add weight alter after your neck is strong enough to support your head weight. this will help the avg human take a blast in the streets imo. Get a tennis ball and tuck it under your chin to chest(force yourself to punch from this position at all time)...this is where you need to always keep your head during fighting to absorb blasts with zero KO % ratio. Hopkins does it the best.
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It takes about 800 is of force to knock out a guy that big. the small boxer can't hit that hard.
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It takes about 800 is of force to knock out a guy that big. the small boxer can't hit that hard.
Crack Alert!
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If yourn't a retard and you have that much weight on someone you should be able to steamrole them. You can eat the first punch or two on top of the head while you do a running bull rush takedown like cock chestner does.
Make sure you put your health card in your sock, so the EMTs can find it. ;)
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240lbs HW champion JDS ''best hands'' in the UFC vs a 150 lbs ''C'' level PRO welterweight boxer .
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240lbs HW champion JDS ''best hands'' in the UFC vs a 150 lbs ''C'' level PRO welterweight boxer .
that's boxing rules
ronnie coleman in his prime would send him to the mortuary in no rules fight
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ron coleman was a cop,he surely did know how to throw a puch or two.And i WOULD NOT want to be hit by a 300 lbs guy who was strong as an ox. ::)
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ron coleman was a cop,he surely did know how to throw a puch or two.And i WOULD NOT want to be hit by a 300 lbs guy who was strong as an ox. ::)
and not to mention cops would know how to do a basic take down and boxers no matter how high level they are are usually helpless at wrestling
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no matter how tough they seem on stage they only weigh 140 lbs. could you hulking beefcakes dispose of them? do you think the average 230lb pro bber could beat them up in a street fight? is technique alone enough to make up for 90+ lbs in muscular bodyweight?
no, 99 percent of the time a person a trained fighter will beat a non trained fighter.
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I'll take you all on. Who wants to post their exact location?
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Depends how open you fight. if you can get a hold of him you've won
This. When you got a hold he's scrambled eggs....
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I'll take you all on. Who wants to post their exact location?
youre a pretty good fighter yourself, Kiwi Killer.
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youre a pretty good fighter yourself, Kiwi Killer.
Yes, I'll admit I've monkey stolen the peach out of many a tough situation, big guy.
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This. When you got a hold he's scrambled eggs....
I totally agree because bodybuilders are known for their cardio and grappling skills .
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I totally agree because bodybuilders are known for their cardio and grappling skills .
And boxers are known for getting trapped inside of wet paper bags. ;D
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I totally agree because bodybuilders are known for their cardio and grappling skills .
And they know the Skull Crusher plus the Widow Maker...
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240lbs HW champion JDS ''best hands'' in the UFC vs a 150 lbs ''C'' level PRO welterweight boxer .
who's the black fella? you dont agree that jds has good hands? (not Claiming anything just Asking) a year ago also =)
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has nothing to do with size, its about the physical and mental toughness of the person. this is a stupid topic way too many insinuating variables involved here for a straight answer.
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who's the black fella? you dont agree that jds has good hands? (not Claiming anything just Asking) a year ago also =)
This is a boxing match. Thread's about beating up, street fight 'n stuff....
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This is a boxing match. Thread's about beating up, street fight 'n stuff....
Couldnt care less about the stupid thread.. hence why Im asking che's opinion on jds..
And since the comments seems to say the black fella is a olympic boxer but since the black fellas names isn't anywhere and che seemed sure..
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no matter how tough they seem on stage they only weigh 140 lbs. could you hulking beefcakes dispose of them? do you think the average 230lb pro bber could beat them up in a street fight? is technique alone enough to make up for 90+ lbs in muscular bodyweight?
No.
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I'm probably one of the only 'bodybuilders' on here who has boxed recently so I will add my piece. In a ring against a boxer any bodybuilder would be destroyed by a 100lbs less boxer. In a streetfight it could be different
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Couldnt care less about the stupid thread.. hence why Im asking che's opinion on jds..
And since the comments seems to say the black fella is a olympic boxer but since the black fellas names isn't anywhere and che seemed sure..
Erivan Conceição a pro boxer from Brasil also JDS boxing coach
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I'll take you all on. Who wants to post their exact location?
I was waiting for this already on page one :)
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In a ring of course the boxer would win. In the streets it depends on the BB. I know some BB who are some bad ass dudes and will fuck u up in a second and there are others who are pussies.
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I have no doubt if I was in a full contact mma match against a pro boxer I would win 8-9 times out of ten I have sparred with pro boxers at the gym unless they have some kinda grappling back ground they have nothing coming. Even then they better have a damn good one. It takes nothing for some one with basic wrestling skills to close the distance on a boxer. A boxers normal stance tend to be horrible for a real combat. A small person makes it a lot easier to cut off the ring to. I have a little knowledge of fighting boxing to though. I think a heavy weight high school wrestler with state level skills would beat a small pro boxer 7-10 times. No one has ever came from boxing and did well in mma. Not like even mediocre wrestlers. I heavy weight boxer strong boxer presents a lot more problem
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I have sparred with pro boxers at the gym
I have a little knowledge of fighting boxing to though.
GTFO
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why do they have weightclasses then????? ::) ::) ::)
size means a lot!
sure a big dude will win from a small dude, IF the big dude knows how to fight a little.
I train mma, and bjj, a lot of guys far better then me, but smaller and lighter have a hard time with me.
And a 150 pound guy does not hit as hard as a 250 pound guy. never ever!
That is the whole reason they have weightclasses, so it is fair.
When you have a big dude that knows 0 about fighting , sure he wil get ko'd by a lighter and skilled fighter....
But if the big dude knows how to fight, the lighter dude is in trouble.
And you do have badasses that never trained in fighting but would kill any mma fighter in the streets!
i know a lot of mma fighters that are big pussies in a streetfight, it's not the same thing.
look at Bob Sapp, he beat Hoost, a world class kickboxer.... why ???? SIZE!
Sapp his fight against Noqueira, have you seen that fight? Sapp almost killed him....! Noqueira got him in the end, but he was never the same after that fight.... he got hurt bad! why ?? size!!
k1 champ Semmy Schilt, not a very skilled fighter at all! boring as hell... won the k1 various times, why??? size!!
to say size means shit is stupid....
I agree 100% I have trained in boxing and mma gyms and my boxing is terrible and my wrestling is half ass but I win a lot more then I lose simply because of strength. I would be more scared to be in an mma match against a ncaa heavy weight wrestler then a proboxer any day not even close. I beat a guy that on tv a he fights around 155 I just man handle him like nothing hes a ufc level fighter to.
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chess315 wanted to say he had been shared some pro boxers cock at the gym,and has a lot of knowledge in doing this. ::)
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I cant honestly believe people think that size dont matter. It may not if one fighter has zero skill. you dont even have to be well trained to beat up skilled fighters if you have a good size strength advatage. Some people may be terrible athletes so that has to be taken in consideration. boxing is a terrible sport for self defense being way behind any grappling art. If you want to learn to fight greco roman wrestle dont box lol
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It depends if the BB is on trenbolona
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I cant honestly believe people think that size dont matter. It may not if one fighter has zero skill. you dont even have to be well trained to beat up skilled fighters if you have a good size strength advatage. Some people may be terrible athletes so that has to be taken in consideration. boxing is a terrible sport for self defense being way behind any grappling art. If you want to learn to fight greco roman wrestle dont box lol
STFU idiot you have not clue what you are talking about.
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A boxer it the easiest possible match you could have in mma. This has been proven over and over.
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What do you consider "decent skills"? 1 year traning and sparring? 2 years?
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A boxer it the easiest possible match you could have in mma. This has been proven over and over.
This is true. The guys who just start in MMA do much better if they have a good wreslting back ground.
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What do you consider "decent skills"? 1 year traning and sparring? 2 years?
if your a good athlete,big and strong and have any wrestling exp 2 weeks would be enough to be in the top 85% of most mma training gyms. if strength dont matter why are fighters always getting busted for steroids? the truth of the matter the boxer would prolly be on steroids themselves
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if your a good athlete,big and strong and have any wrestling exp 2 weeks would be enough to be in the top 85% of most mma training gyms. if strength dont matter why are fighters always getting busted for steroids? the truth of the matter the boxer would prolly be on steroids themselves
I mean, if you don't have any experience fighting.
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This thread sums up getbig.
One poster say, The professional beats the untrained guy every single time even with a 100 pound difference, but dont compare pro's since its stupid.
Follow up post is : "Why why do they have weightcalsses in MMA if size doesnt matter then?!?!?!?"
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I have fought the best men from the heavyweight division(WCA, WCW, WFC, CFW) and the only thing that helped against those killing machines was being a getbigger.
Instant win on all levels.
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if a 240lb bodybuilder gets beat up by a 140lb guy, doesnt matter if its floyd mayweather, that bodybuilder is mentally retarded.
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if a 240lb bodybuilder gets beat up by a 140lb guy, doesnt matter if its floyd mayweather, that bodybuilder is mentally retarded.
You've obviously never sparred so
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You've obviously never sparred so
::) yes, yes i know.. with the right speed, technique, and strategy a field mouse could beat a grizzley bear..
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If yourn't a retard and you have that much weight on someone you should be able to steamrole them. You can eat the first punch or two on top of the head while you do a running bull rush takedown like cock chestner does.
problem is if you run in recklessly like that the welterweight can land a haymaker where you're stepping into the punch, it will seriously wreck your world to take a hit like that on the chin or cheekbone.
but once you get in close and grab him hes done
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::) yes, yes i know.. with the right speed, technique, and strategy a field mouse could beat a grizzley bear..
A 250lb bodybuilders cardio is 99% shit, their reaction times are shit and easy to read
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A 250lb bodybuilders cardio is 99% shit, their reaction times are shit and easy to read
right... a field mouse and a girzzley bear.. just takes some speed and technique.. grizzley bears down for the count... cant expect to beat the mouse.. mouse has been training for the past 20 years.. silly bear
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if you take a clean direct shot from a 140 pound welterweight, who has trained his punching technique for years, it will knock you out of severely daze you which will lead to you getting knocked out. i don't think it's a fair comparison to make specially since bodybuilders are slow, bloated and can barely walk up stairs without getting winded.
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These guys spend every breathing moment training for endurance and learning how to hit hard and fast.
I don't care how fucking big you are, if all you are is a stinking bodybuilder, you may as well get out the video cam for youtube because you will be made a total fool of. Your muscles won't help you do shit.
If it's a little boxer, he will have figured out how to take you out before you even get finished admiring your dumbass in the mirror.
If you are a very big bodybuilder who has a boxing or MMA background, it could be a different story, but if you don't take him out right away, he will get you winded and then end you. He probably won't even talk about it because it will NOT have been a challenge for him.
It would be the same as walking up to an old lady and cold-cocking her. BIg deal.
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These guys spend every breathing moment training for endurance and learning how to hit hard and fast.
Maybe they should spend more time you know, not being 140 pounds. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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if a 240lb bodybuilder gets beat up by a 140lb guy, doesnt matter if its floyd mayweather, that bodybuilder is mentally retarded.
Train with someone who can fight(boxing, wrestling, whatever) - if you don't have a solid background in some sort of contact sports, except being naughty, it's shocking how you get exposed as a "can".
The quickness and whole body strength of some goofy looking dudes can be quite shocking.
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Train with someone who can fight(boxing, wrestling, whatever) - if you don't have a solid background in some sort of contact sports, except being naughty, it's shocking how you get exposed as a "can".
The quickness and whole body strength of some goofy looking dudes can be quite shocking.
Damn right!!
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The BB Andy H says he is 240# and he could kick a 140# boxer ass in a street fight any day. Remeber he benches 600# ;D
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Train with someone who can fight(boxing, wrestling, whatever) - if you don't have a solid background in some sort of contact sports, except being naughty, it's shocking how you get exposed as a "can".
The quickness and whole body strength of some goofy looking dudes can be quite shocking.
Tbombz has trained wrestling. Thats the shocking part.
well, he has dressed up as a wrestler as least
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right... a field mouse and a girzzley bear.. just takes some speed and technique.. grizzley bears down for the count... cant expect to beat the mouse.. mouse has been training for the past 20 years.. silly bear
Retarded analogy.
A grizzley sure as hell could get beaten by a smaller, faster grizzley, so youre point is mute.
And stupid. No disrespect Tbombz, but its a dumb analogy.
All it takes is 1 punch to knock ANY man out at any time, and boxers train to hit HARD, and FAST.
Hitting hard is more about technique than power. Therefore, again, your point is mute.
If the bodybuilder can get ahold of the little guy, of course hed win.
BUT - He has to get in, and avoid the blows the boxer lands.
If the boxer is able to get any clean shots to the face, the BB is done.
This is not arguable. Doesnt matter how much muscle you have, your chin is still your chin.
(BTW animals dont throw strikes, nor do they know where/how to hit something to knock it out)
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If the boxer is able to get any clean shots to the face, the BB is done.
What do you mean ''if '' ;D the funny part is that a 240 lbs BB is usually 5'8''-5'9'' tall and a 154lbs like DLH, P Williams ,Margarito .....etc are 6'1''-6' 2'' , the fight would be over before it started .
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What do you mean ''if '' ;D the funny part is that a 240 lbs BB is usually 5'8''-5'9'' tall and a 154lbs like DLH, P Williams ,Margarito .....etc are 6'1''-6' 2'' , the fight would be over before it started .
There is always that random chance of failure. Lol.
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What do you mean ''if '' ;D the funny part is that a 240 lbs BB is usually 5'8''-5'9'' tall and a 154lbs like DLH, P Williams ,Margarito .....etc are 6'1''-6' 2'' , the fight would be over before it started .
how was the boxing fight yesterday?
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how was the boxing fight yesterday?
A bit boring but it was OK .
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Retarded analogy.
A grizzley sure as hell could get beaten by a smaller, faster grizzley, so youre point is mute.
And stupid. No disrespect Tbombz, but its a dumb analogy.
All it takes is 1 punch to knock ANY man out at any time, and boxers train to hit HARD, and FAST.
Hitting hard is more about technique than power. Therefore, again, your point is mute.
If the bodybuilder can get ahold of the little guy, of course hed win.
BUT - He has to get in, and avoid the blows the boxer lands.
If the boxer is able to get any clean shots to the face, the BB is done.
This is not arguable. Doesnt matter how much muscle you have, your chin is still your chin.
(BTW animals dont throw strikes, nor do they know where/how to hit something to knock it out)
grizzle bears also have gotten "beat" by badgers, hence why they don't mess with them ;D
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if a 240lb bodybuilder gets beat up by a 140lb guy, doesnt matter if its floyd mayweather, that bodybuilder is mentally retarded.
thank you many bodybuilders are not that impossing being 5'4 and such and there are 2 groups of bodybuilders one came to bodybuilding from sports the other because of some mental hang up the athletic bodybuilder will be a handful
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nearly every city has mma and boxing gyms why dont you guys go to one and try it most of them charge $50 dollars a month some less.
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you guys are so right.
justin beiber could totally take out michael clark duncan if beiber had the speed, technique, and epxerience trainiing in martial arts that a top professional fighter has.
size, strength, and the ability to take a hit mean jack shit.
anyone who thinks size can outweigh technique is so stupid. thanks for enlightening me.
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you guys are so right.
justin beiber could totally take out michael clark duncan if beiber had the speed, technique, and epxerience trainiing in martial arts that a top professional fighter has.
size, strength, and the ability to take a hit mean jack shit.
anyone who thinks size can outweigh technique is so stupid. thanks for enlightening me.
Lol.
Keep telling yourself whatever you want to make yourself feel better bombz, In a trained/untrained fight, the boxer wins 8/10 times even with the 100lb weight difference.
Youre hyperbole doesnt make you right.
You think having big muscles somehow makes your chin tougher? Were not talking wrestling here, you are going to take blows, all it takes is 1 to the chin and youre out, doesnt matter how big or tough you are.
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sounds like youve got a glass jaw sweetheart :-*
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sounds like youve got a glass jaw sweetheart :-*
Lol. You honestly believe a semipro/pro boxer (even a lightweight) could hit you on the sweet spot on your chin and not be knocked out?
Obvious you dont know a damn thing about how the human body deals with impact, thats for sure.
Tell you what, why dont you make a fist and sock yourself in the jaw, just to the left or right of your chin and slightly back, low, on the bone, and see what happens.
Lol.
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used to do that shit for fun all the time in school to make the teachers flip out, and all the other kids get a laugh.
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honestly if someone called me on the phone saying I could go mma fight a welter weight pro boxer for 500-1000 dollars right now tonight. I would be thinking fuck ya easy money. I would rather it be a may weather or big name 145lb fighter to able to brag about. I doubt most of the talkers dont even know or understand basic boxing foot work or cutting off the ring or anything else.
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used to do that shit for fun all the time in school to make the teachers flip out, and all the other kids get a laugh.
Lol.
You never cease to amaze me with your ignorance/know it all attitude.
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It all depends on the bodybuilder and what they're capable of. A guy like Jay cutler would get kfto by a 140-150 pound boxer I would put the bank on it. If it's a bodybuilder who wrestled in highschool has some actual streetfights under his belt and does some functional training he stands a chance. Tbomz your comparisons make no sense.
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It all depends on the bodybuilder and what they're capable of. A guy like Jay cutler would get kfto by a 140-150 pound boxer I would put the bank on it. If it's a bodybuilder who wrestled in highschool has some actual streetfights under his belt and does some functional training he stands a chance. Tbomz your comparisons make no sense.
Exactly.
Trained/some training is one thing.
Trained vs no training is a no brainer, doesnt matter how much bigger someone is.
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I've been fighting since I was 11 yr/old but TBombz is a scary dude I wouldn't fuck with him.
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I've been fighting since I was 11 yr/old but TBombz is a scary dude I wouldn't fuck with him.
:o :o
If che is scared of him, well gosh then I wouldnt dream of fucking with him. :-\
Run away!
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I've been fighting since I was 11 yr/old but TBombz is a scary dude I wouldn't fuck with him.
He would run at you like grizzly bear and get you in man bear hug and squeeze the life out of you ::)
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He would run at you like grizzly bear and get you in man bear hug and squeeze the life out of you ::)
:o :o
If che is scared of him, well gosh then I wouldnt dream of fucking with him. :-\
Run away!
I'm young guys , I'm not ready to go yet .
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Well us mice wouldnt stand a chance against his grizzley bear ass.
Cause, you know, a 150lb man fighting a 250lb man is like a grizley bear fighting a mouse.
Epic lulz.
Funny thing is, he probably really doesnt see how rediculous that sounds.
And hell probably never admit how dumb it is.
Lol.
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It all depends on the bodybuilder and what they're capable of. A guy like Jay cutler would get kfto by a 140-150 pound boxer I would put the bank on it. If it's a bodybuilder who wrestled in highschool has some actual streetfights under his belt and does some functional training he stands a chance. Tbomz your comparisons make no sense.
some people just lack balls or killer instinct or what ever you want to call it that does matter. You get some heavy drinking wild body builder like craig titus or casey viator he would be the shit out of the boxer. Point blank many bodybuilders are soft and sissy like.
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my money is on this guy 8)
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my money is on this guy 8)
franco was a pro boxer wasnt he?
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my money is on this guy 8)
Dude was a golden gloves boxer.
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some people just lack balls or killer instinct or what ever you want to call it that does matter. You get some heavy drinking wild body builder like craig titus or casey viator he would be the shit out of the boxer. Point blank many bodybuilders are soft and sissy like.
I totally agree , alcohol makes great fighters.
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my money is on this guy 8)
That's an actual athlete right there. Pro boxer.
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I totally agree , alcohol makes great fighters.
Not to mention Boxers dont have the fighter/killer aggressive instinct, clearly.
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Size means SHIT.
Bodybuilders can't fight... if you are a BB, and think you can fight..don't do it.
That is just the test talking... and you should not listen to it.. you will get hurt.
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I can do this all night.
Attn to Royce's headbut
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most people dont realise the graices owned the ufc during its first years royces opponents where hand picked to fail. There where many other fighters in the world at that time that where excluded. Marco ruas was excluded and few russians and some people from pancraes the first ufcs where nothing more then hand fed low level fighters to the gracies. People say what about ken shamrock he was a bodybuilder with very crude submisson wrestling skills at that time. Dan severn is another hand picked loser. Dan severn or shamrock should have never even been there being although the did make a career out of the whole thing.
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Too bad some guys are just going to have to learn the hard way.
Don't ever under-estimate your opponent ~ it might be your last time.
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nearly every city has mma and boxing gyms why dont you guys go to one and try it most of them charge $50 dollars a month some less.
because that just means you are paying $50 a month to be a sparring partner for a sweaty brazillian guy who will be sticking his sweaty smelly ass in your face for an hour while he puts you in various locks
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you guys are so right.
justin beiber could totally take out michael clark duncan if beiber had the speed, technique, and epxerience trainiing in martial arts that a top professional fighter has.
size, strength, and the ability to take a hit mean jack shit.
anyone who thinks size can outweigh technique is so stupid. thanks for enlightening me.
Do not talk shit about the Bieber.
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NO. even at my strongest i know better. a boxer knows how to turn on his punches..with his technique he would knock my head off. besides you don;t have muscle on your chin...what is it like 8 lbs of pressure to knock someone out?
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NO. even at my strongest i know better. a boxer knows how to turn on his punches..with his technique he would knock my head off. besides you don;t have muscle on your chin...what is it like 8 lbs of pressure to knock someone out?
That just shows you how damn tough Rocky was, Drago hit with something like 2000lbs of pressure and hit Rocky non stop for nearly a full 15 rounds and Rocky just kept getting back up
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Hell yes I could... With one of these.
(http://www.themanregistry.com/graphics/resources/images/ba431b6a15a4.jpg)
;D
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NO. even at my strongest i know better. a boxer knows how to turn on his punches..with his technique he would knock my head off. besides you don;t have muscle on your chin...what is it like 8 lbs of pressure to knock someone out?
Technically yes, but according to Tbombz, if you get knocked out there, you have a weak chin, cause he used to sit in class and punch himself in the sweet spot to scare his teachers :o :o :o
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most people dont realise the graices owned the ufc during its first years royces opponents where hand picked to fail. There where many other fighters in the world at that time that where excluded. Marco ruas was excluded and few russians and some people from pancraes the first ufcs where nothing more then hand fed low level fighters to the gracies. People say what about ken shamrock he was a bodybuilder with very crude submisson wrestling skills at that time. Dan severn is another hand picked loser. Dan severn or shamrock should have never even been there being although the did make a career out of the whole thing.
The Gracies avoided Abbott at all costs
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Yeah, I think a pro bodybuilder could beat down the lighter weight boxer in a street fight. Of course, not in every case. It would honestly come down to if the boxer could get a punch in or not. If a pro boxer gets a clean bare knuckled shot in your face, 140 or not, you're probably going down. I used to train for boxing under a world light weight champion, Luis Resto, who unfortunately was made famous for having cheated in a fight. The guys hands were like bricks!
If the bodybuilder could grab the guy or maybe even take the fight to the ground, the smaller boxer is going to have a tough time.
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Nope, a welterweight boxer would be pummel me. Too fast, too skilled. My only chance would be power and the boxer would be too fast.
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no matter how tough they seem on stage they only weigh 140 lbs. could you hulking beefcakes dispose of them? do you think the average 230lb pro bber could beat them up in a street fight? is technique alone enough to make up for 90+ lbs in muscular bodyweight?
A 230lb bodybuilder would wake up in hospital wondering why he even thought about fighting a boxer!!! ;)
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If 5'4" manny can beat the snot out of Margarito at 6'0" 170 at the bell or whatever, then what would Mayweather or Sugar Ray Leonard or Thomas Hearns (especially this one) at 147 do to a 230 lb weight lifter/bodybuilder?
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Grappling > Boxing
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Grappling > Boxing
That's contingent on whose the boxer and whose the grappler
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Anyone with a decent takedown game would wreck the shit of even the best boxers, unless the boxer got lucky.
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The Gracies avoided Abbott at all costs
The wild boar would have torn them a new one.
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Anyone with a decent takedown game would wreck the shit of even the best boxers, unless the boxer got lucky.
Yep, three guys in a hotel lobby got wrecked by Mike Tyson.
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Ok. I've given this issue some more thought, and I want to change my answer from 'not a chance in hell,' to 'yes, and without breaking a sweat.'
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The wild boar would have torn them a new one.
Indeed lol. Wild bore always beats the anaconda.
Would've stomped a mud hole in em
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no matter how tough they seem on stage they only weigh 140 lbs. could you hulking beefcakes dispose of them? do you think the average 230lb pro bber could beat them up in a street fight? is technique alone enough to make up for 90+ lbs in muscular bodyweight?
maybe, maybe not
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That's contingent on whose the boxer and whose the grappler
Excatley. Just like it depends on who is the boxer and who is the BB.
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It all depends on the bodybuilder and what they're capable of. A guy like Jay cutler would get kfto by a 140-150 pound boxer I would put the bank on it. If it's a bodybuilder who wrestled in highschool has some actual streetfights under his belt and does some functional training he stands a chance. Tbomz your comparisons make no sense.
Exactly.
Trained/some training is one thing.
Trained vs no training is a no brainer, doesnt matter how much bigger someone is.
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my original comment was that the big guy would have to mentally handicapped to lose
if you dont understand what i meant by that... at the very least the guy would have to understand to let adrenaline take control, dodge when a strike is coming, and strike when theres an opening.. no hesitation and holding nothing back... this is basic shit that even a fucking retard should know and be able to do in a fight.. no training necessary
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my original comment was that the big guy would have to mentally handicapped to lose
if you dont understand what i meant by that... at the very least the guy would have to understand to let adrenaline take control, dodge when a strike is coming, and strike when theres an opening.. no hesitation and holding nothing back... this is basic shit that even a fucking retard should know and be able to do in a fight.. no training necessary
Bob Sapp a trained MMA fighter got destroyed by a 170 pound guy.
What the hell are you going on about?
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Bob Sapp a trained MMA fighter got destroyed by a 170 pound guy.
What the hell are you going on about?
actually the guy that beat bob sapp is 240
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actually the guy that beat bob sapp is 240
Tividar is 240?
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Tividar is 240?
I fucking HATE woment hat screams
WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU EXPECT TO SEE AT A FIGHT?!?!?!?!?!