Chris Dorner - Southern California - rise and fall

[Palpatine Q]

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/cause-cabin-fire-fuels-debate-christopher-dorner-standoff-222441723.html




"Ok, we're gonna go forward with the plan, with the burn ... like we talked about."

"Seven burners deployed and we have a fire."

"Copy. Seven burners deployed and we have a fire."

These purported police commands come from 5 minutes and 17 seconds of audio allegedly recorded off law enforcement radios during Tuesday’s tense standoff between SWAT officers and suspected serial killer Christopher Dorner.

The audio, posted to YouTube, has fueled speculation that authorities may have purposely started the fire to either kill Dorner or force him to surrender.

On Wednesday, law enforcement sources confirmed to the Los Angeles Times that officers did throw incendiary tear gas canisters into the mountain cabin before it caught fire. According to the Times:

   SWAT officers surrounding the cabin were under a "constant barrage of gunfire," one source said. “He put himself in that position. There weren’t a lot of options.” Hoping to end the standoff, law enforcement authorities first lobbed "traditional" tear gas into the cabin. When that did not work, they opted to use CS gas canisters, which are known in law enforcement parlance as incendiary tear gas. These canisters have significantly more chance of starting a fire. This gas can cause humans to have burning eyes and start to feel as if they are being starved for oxygen. It is often used to drive barricaded individuals out.Dorner, a disgruntled ex-LAPD officer accused of killing four people in the past week, never emerged from the charred cabin near Big Bear Lake, Calif.

The coroner’s office is studying the remains of a burned body found in the basement, but an anonymous official told The Associated Press that a wallet and personal items, including a California driver's license issued to Christopher Dorner, were recovered.

An exact cause of death for the body has not been revealed. On the YouTube audio, an unidentified voice says, “It sounds like one shot fired from inside the residence” about the time a police demolition vehicle was tearing down the cabin’s walls and the house became inflamed.

“We have fire in the front. He might come out the back,” a voice says on the YouTube recording.

"Fire doing quite well. I'm going to let it go," a law enforcement officer also said, according to a Yahoo News reporter also monitoring the San Bernardino sheriff’s radio traffic.

A smart move, S.W.A.T. Magazine editor Denny Hansen told Yahoo News.

“You really can’t send firemen up there if the subject is still alive and may shoot them,” said Hansen, himself a former tactical officer. “They may have believed that he started the fire as a diversionary tactic to escape.”

Veteran police consultant Chuck Drago told Yahoo News that he interprets the officers’ discussion of “burners” to be the tear gas canisters that were used.

“They are not meant to cause fire, but they can,” he said. “Sometimes you have a lot of options at your disposal, and sometimes you're limited.”

With nightfall approaching and Dorner having already vowed to seek revenge by unleashing "unconventional and asymmetrical warfare," Drago said the officers must have decided that a possible blaze was worth the risk to accomplish their mission.

“They had to move pretty quickly in this situation,” he said.

Hansen scoffs at anyone who thinks otherwise.

“I’ve already heard some people say, ‘Well, they burned him alive without a trial,’” Hansen said. “There are always going to be conspiracy theories.”

i guess that covers "lesser measures" and "immediate danger"  

[HockeyFightFan]

In before Benchmaster claims he was the sniper who took out Dorner.

[Obvious Gimmick]

In before Benchmaster claims he was the sniper who took out Dorner.

  69 pages and nobody came up with that.

good work donkeyfuckfan

[The True Adonis]

I said that too.  The OJ thing might have started it all

It is entertainment to the majority of people as they will be and are completely unaffected by Dorner and everything surrounding this issue.  And so it should be as this is hardly "National" or even relevant "News" for most of America let alone the World.  We all like a good show and that is what the News does best, provide great entertainment.

If it bleeds it leads.  If the ratings weren`t there, there would be no interest.  They float tons of stories and kill them quick when there is little to no interest.  Their job is to sell ads and entertain, nothing else.

[dr.chimps]

I agree. However, I think most did not understand what you were really driving at with this-It was always burning Since the world's been turning.

Agreed.


/bench

[slate]

what do u guys think will happen if the forensics report comes up saying that dorner was not the body found in the cabin?
would that ever be revealed to the public? assuming it wouldn't, who will be tasked to find and terminate him?

[Obvious Gimmick]

what do u guys think will happen if the forensics report comes up saying that dorner was not the body found in the cabin?
would that ever be revealed to the public? assuming it wouldn't, who will be tasked to find and terminate him?

the A team

[Radical Plato]

Who will they get to play the lead in the true to life Movie?, I call Jamie Foxx, dude just need to put on some pounds and the role is his.  

[Nails]

Hell Naw!

either Charlie Sheen or  Robert Downey Jr

[Nails]

[slate]

the A team

that is exactly what i thought

[arce1988]

[Archer77]

Hell Naw!

either Charlie Sheen or  Robert Downey Jr

Greatest black actor of our time.  You'd never catch him in a Tyler perry movie.

[Jack T. Cross]

i guess that covers "lesser measures" and "immediate danger"  

So the SWAT Team, surrounding the cabin, behind total armor, with the ability to shoot while fully protected by armor, were under immediate and significant danger of serious bodily injury or death, and the supposed use of a single canister of traditional gas had exhausted "all lesser means"?

There is no question, the argument will be that the incendiary devices were intended to provide "lesser means", and the fire was an unfortunate accident.

[Dokey111]

I agree. However, I think most did not understand what you were really driving at with this-It was always burning Since the world's been turning.

Nobody needs your help putz.  Try to realize.

[viking1]

Its ASH WEDNESDAY, perfect timing that piece of shit burned to ashes.

[slate]

it seems that up to the last minute they gave him the option of surrendering- spot the ladder

[Shockwave]

[Shockwave]

[BILL ANVIL]

 

[Agnostic007]

they said "we have a fire"...because there was a fire. not one person said, "we are going to light the cabin on fire now"......"The Burn" is police terminolocy for deploying tear gas, as was explained.

and some excited cop yelling "burn motherfucker" at a house THAT IS ALREADY BURNING doesn't mean dick except he isn't blind and he saw a fire

About 10 yrs ago a club here in Austin called Midtown caught fire. It was an african american based club. The club and parking lot were a hotbed of illegal activity from shootings, stabbings, fights, drugs and gang activity. Our calls for service there were 10 times what a club that size should have garnered. When it caught fire, and after everyone was out, cops who work that area sent messages joking about it to each other. Burn Baby Burn, Disco Inferno just happened to be visible on a police unit MDC and a savy news guy caught it on camera. Heads rolled, people got in a lot of trouble and lesson learned. Don't say anything that you will regret in the light of day... I guess this is their time to learn that lesson.  

[Agnostic007]

So the SWAT Team, surrounding the cabin, behind total armor, with the ability to shoot while fully protected by armor, were under immediate and significant danger of serious bodily injury or death, and the supposed use of a single canister of traditional gas had exhausted "all lesser means"?

There is no question, the argument will be that the incendiary devices were intended to provide "lesser means", and the fire was an unfortunate accident.

Whats really cool about the whole thing is... it is irrelevant what they do, there will always be people who won't agree with it.

[Agnostic007]

So the SWAT Team, surrounding the cabin, behind total armor, with the ability to shoot while fully protected by armor, were under immediate and significant danger of serious bodily injury or death, and the supposed use of a single canister of traditional gas had exhausted "all lesser means"?

There is no question, the argument will be that the incendiary devices were intended to provide "lesser means", and the fire was an unfortunate accident.

The "incendiary device" is CS gas. Their first course of action may have been deploying OC gas. It is the most commonly used gas these days. The down side is that it is not as strong as CS. CS burns in part so someone cant pick it up easily and toss it back out. It is rarely used because it soaks in to the fabric and materials and it is almost impossible to get out of things once it has been exposed. It is not like they deployed an explosive.

[The Showstoppa]

Justice was served.  Next....

[The True Adonis]