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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Coach is Back! on December 27, 2009, 07:58:39 PM
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As I said, I will make ONE thread per day on what worked for me and I will try to conclude by the new year in case anyone would like try and either develop a business or make a little more. Keep in mind, I'm not great at business in the way of keeping books, records, etc, etc. I have an assistant and CPA who does that. Me, I just love to train people and watch them progress with my training systems. I guarantee my results and I have pretty much 2 areas of training, my general fitness clients that includes Private (one on one), semi-private (2-3) and fitness boot camps, I have other trainers for that. I thing is training athletes, high school, college and pro athletes in power sports such as football, Lacrosse, baseball, MMA as well as team training.
Ok, first thing is first, besides having a passion for training you have to have a niche, something that seperates you from other trainers, then you have to position yourself in the community as the "go to" trainer for you particular niche. Mine is training athletes, I seperate myself by letting people know that training athletes is almost the complete opposite of training the "soccer mom" who just wants to shed few pounds. Most personal trainers are trained to help the general public, not athletes. One thing that I have learned when I was building my business (and still do this) is that your a marketer first.
Post 2 tomorrow.
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who do you think you are exactly? Need attention?
This "advice" number one stinks.
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JME,
this is a serious question btw
is "Trophy trainer" a legit niche'?
as in the good looking trainer that is only hired by rich women/men solely cuz they are a status symbol
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JME,
this is a serious question btw
is "Trophy trainer" a legit niche'?
as in the good looking trainer that is only hired by rich women/men solely cuz they are a status symbol
have you considered putting "metrosexual superstar" on your business cards?
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have you considered putting "metrosexual superstar" on your business cards?
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naw- then people would already know i'm a huge douche rather than train a couple of sessions with me THEN find out that i am a huge douche lol
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who do you think you are exactly? Need attention?
This "advice" number one stinks.
Come on now , let him have his say.
He is sharing what works for him , it may not work for you or the next guy but he has found a recipe that works for him and is good enough to share it.
I give Joe a wind up also but am interested in reading what he has to say on this topic.
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naw- then people would already know i'm a huge douche rather than train a couple of sessions with me THEN find out that i am a huge douche lol
dude...you are a bronzed (orange ;) ) personal trainer...trust me, they already know ;D
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dude...you are a bronzed (orange ;) ) personal trainer...trust me, they already know ;D
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I also i have a new hairstyle that makes me a legit contender for tool academy 3
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JNN always has great hair
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I also i have a new hairstyle that makes me a legit contender for tool academy 3
broskie, i turn the channel when the commercials for that show come on....if you were on it i would be a full time viewer of that shit ;D
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who do you think you are exactly? Need attention?
This "advice" number one stinks.
If you read my first post asshole, I said if I didn't get a positive response I would leave alone and post nothing on it. There are alot of trainers on here, some who do it as a business some who don't. I read alot of the pt posts on here and from what I've read they are not making that much in the belief there is not much to be made. Look dick head, don't comment on the thread if your just going to flame. I just want to help people.
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Coach, you've been the game for awhile and probably have a pretty decent CV, and I imagine your experience plays a big role in winning clients. Would younger guys like webcke have a more difficult time establishing a niche clientele? What advice would you give to the younger guys without a strong track record to help market themselves successfully?
Also, if someone was considering getting into the PT game (I'm not, but just asking for the guys you're writing for), is there any sort of research that they could do to help them get an idea of how to best pitch their business? Which niche to shoot for (I always thought a trainer for the aging would be a strong market) and how to best appeal to those prospective clients? Also, going a little off topic, but how would a new guy go about calculating his startup and ongoing costs and decide on how much to charge? Or is what a PT charges dictated by the competition?
I'm sure some guys are going to try to hang shit on you but it's cool of you to give your thoughts to the younger PTs. 8)
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Coach, you've been the game for awhile and probably have a pretty decent CV, and I imagine your experience plays a big role in winning clients. Would younger guys like webcke have a more difficult time establishing a niche clientele? What advice would you give to the younger guys without a strong track record to help market themselves successfully?
Also, if someone was considering getting into the PT game (I'm not, but just asking for the guys you're writing for), is there any sort of research that they could do to help them get an idea of how to best pitch their business? Which niche to shoot for (I always thought a trainer for the aging would be a strong market) and how to best appeal to those prospective clients? Also, going a little off topic, but how would a new guy go about calculating his startup and ongoing costs and decide on how much to charge? Or is what a PT charges dictated by the competition?
I'm sure some guys are going to try to hang shit on you but it's cool of you to give your thoughts to the younger PTs. 8)
This is my opinion. Guys like Webcke who have little experiance, like anyone else starting out in anything, has to get experiance, not in a commercial facility but with a private studio or good trainer that can either do an internship or mentor under. I've never worked anywhere else but from what I have heard you really don't learn much exept on how to sweep and put weights away.
As for the actual setting up the business, I wasn't going to get into that because of the nature of getbig (flaming and thinking it might be boring, etc,etc). But we set up an LLC (limited liability company) for tax purposes. Got the necessary business licenses, trainers must have degrees or CSCS's, etc, etc. I can go into detail later if need be.
Marketing comes later in the week.
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This is my opinion. Guys like Webcke who have little experiance, like anyone else starting out in anything, has to get experiance, not in a commercial facility but with a private studio or good trainer that can either do an internship or mentor under. I've never worked anywhere else but from what I have heard you really don't learn much exept on how to sweep and put weights away.
As for the actual setting up the business, I wasn't going to get into that because of the nature of getbig (flaming and thinking it might be boring, etc,etc). But we set up an LLC (limited liability company) for tax purposes. Got the necessary business licenses, trainers must have degrees or CSCS's, etc, etc. I can go into detail later if need be.
Marketing comes later in the week.
Cool, cheers Joe. Don't let anyone put you off. See how a few threads go but I bet you'll get some very grateful guys chiming in or PMing you. It's a really generous move on your part.
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Come on now , let him have his say.
He is sharing what works for him , it may not work for you or the next guy but he has found a recipe that works for him and is good enough to share it.
I give Joe a wind up also but am interested in reading what he has to say on this topic.
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Just because he is a cock,you cannot deny that he has built a good business in a field where it is very,very difficult to do so
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Coach is a successful man with muscles
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So what made you choose your particular niche, Coach?
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For as long as you've been in the fitness game, why didn't you open a gym? This way you'd have something to sell if you ever decided to do something else.
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Just because he is a cock,you cannot deny that he has built a good business in a field where it is very,very difficult to do so
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hes a fucking weirdo....but he obviously is doing something right in the field.
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As I said, I will make ONE thread per day on what worked for me and I will try to conclude by the new year in case anyone would like try and either develop a business or make a little more. Keep in mind, I'm not great at business in the way of keeping books, records, etc, etc. I have an assistant and CPA who does that. Me, I just love to train people and watch them progress with my training systems. I guarantee my results and I have pretty much 2 areas of training, my general fitness clients that includes Private (one on one), semi-private (2-3) and fitness boot camps, I have other trainers for that. I thing is training athletes, high school, college and pro athletes in power sports such as football, Lacrosse, baseball, MMA, etc.
Ok, first thing is first, besides having a passion for training you have to have a niche, something that seperates you from other trainers, then you have to position yourself in the community as the "go to" trainer for you particular niche. Mine is training athletes, I seperate myself by letting people know that training athletes is almost the complete opposite of training the "soccer mom" who just wants to shed few pounds. Most personal trainers are trained to help the general public, not athletes. One thing that I have learned when I was building my business (and still do this) is that your a marketer first.
Post 2 tomorrow.
Get a real job. PT ranks right up there with Chiropractic... All bullshit hand holding and listening to fat housewives vent their problems.
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Get a real job. PT ranks right up there with Chiropractic... All bullshit hand holding and listening to fat housewives vent their problems.
::) ::) real job
a real job pays your bills and provides for your family.
perhaps the stormshadow can indulge us on his illustrious career?
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So what made you choose your particular niche, Coach?
Simple, I want to train people who have significant goals. Unless the person has health problems (general fitness clients) they tend to slack, make excuses to not train hard or just anything to NOT train, since I just don"t want to take their money for nothing, I cut them from my program. Athletes have a goal, to get stronger, faster and bigger....in that order. I have kids that have got full rides to harvard, Duke UCLA, LMU and Cal. THOSE are kids that had goals and achieved them. Part of our program includes a report card check each semester, if they don't have at least a 3.0 GPA they are out of our program until they earn it back.
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For as long as you've been in the fitness game, why didn't you open a gym? This way you'd have something to sell if you ever decided to do something else.
This summer. But to be fair, the owner of our gym is awesome and lets me pretty much do as I please.
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Simple, I want to train people who have significant goals. Unless the person has health problems (general fitness clients) they tend to slack, make excuses to not train hard or just anything to NOT train, since I just don"t want to take their money for nothing, I cut them from my program. Athletes have a goal, to get stronger, faster and bigger....in that order. I have kids that have got full rides to harvard, Duke UCLA, LMU and Cal. THOSE are kids that had goals and achieved them. Part of our program includes a report card check each semester, if they don't have at least a 3.0 GPA they are out of our program until they earn it back.
QFT. great standards to set Coach. The GPA thing in particular....
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For what it's worth coach, I'm interested in your PT advices. I have thought about trying it someday for extra money. Also what city do you live in? Maybe if I am ever in the area I can stop by to train.
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Get a real job. PT ranks right up there with Chiropractic... All bullshit hand holding and listening to fat housewives vent their problems.
Actually, we usually tell the Chiros what might need to be done. We have one on staff. BTW, How much did you make last year? What is a "real job" to you?
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For what it's worth coach, I'm interested in your PT advices. I have thought about trying it someday for extra money. Also what city do you live in? Maybe if I am ever in the area I can stop by to train.
Huntington Beach, Costa Mesa, LA
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JME,
this is a serious question btw
is "Trophy trainer" a legit niche'?
as in the good looking trainer that is only hired by rich women/men solely cuz they are a status symbol
JNN, you should market yourself as a Certified Twinkus Maximus.
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Huntington Beach, Costa Mesa, LA
Do you have a website where I can research your PT programs?
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Simple, I want to train people who have significant goals. Unless the person has health problems (general fitness clients) they tend to slack, make excuses to not train hard or just anything to NOT train, since I just don"t want to take their money for nothing, I cut them from my program. Athletes have a goal, to get stronger, faster and bigger....in that order. I have kids that have got full rides to harvard, Duke UCLA, LMU and Cal. THOSE are kids that had goals and achieved them. Part of our program includes a report card check each semester, if they don't have at least a 3.0 GPA they are out of our program until they earn it back.
That sounds like a strong sales point. Do you advertise this or push it when parents consult you about their kid joining, or is it the kind of situation where a kid's either got it or he doesn't and you level with the parents?
Has booting out slackers brought in more money long term because it helps your 'average' and gives you a strong rep?
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lol @ coach avoiding my question because he hates the fact that "trophy trainers" DO EXIST and they DO MAKE ALOT OF MONEY
admit it Coach- being a successful trainer isn't always about knowing the difference between planterflexion and dorsiflexion (I probably spelled both of those wrong)
we ARE status symbols as well cuz for every legitmate athlete who wants to be faster or jump higher there are two bored housewives/cougars who want to be escorted around by some young stud and be told what to do (ie be submissive to a younger man without the stigma that S & M carries)
and you know i'm right JME
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JNN, I guess that's the difference between a gimmick and a nitch. We are results driven not money driven. We expect our clients to work hard and try. We don't want people just for the money so they can say they have "personal trainer" just for status reasons, those are the ones that will give the least amount of effort and make you look bad. I don't care what kind of shape the client is in as long as he/she puts out the effort and makes progress, they're walking advertisements for you and if they look the same 3 months from when they started its either the training methods are not working or they aren't putting out the effort. If its they are not not putting out the effort, then why have them around?
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So what made you choose your particular niche, Coach?
he didn't want to train fat boring soccer moms?
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A short mexican drywaller such as Teh Coach has a made a name for himself in a state where every 3rd resident is a PT or a fitness expert of some kind, at least in their own head.
But he must admit too that nothing comes overnight. He didn't have D1 afletes come to him out of the blue. It took decades of shit grinding work to get there.
Either way, in heavily diluted industry, he's come out as one of the dudes on top. Ha ha, he makes more in a day than Romano makes in a month probably, and he doesn't even have to blow guys to do it.
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he didn't want to train fat boring soccer moms?
Clearly, but is it because too many el cheapo PTs have saturated the fat soccer mom field and driven down prices? Or did he see a better financial future with a non-revolving clientele? Or less stress, time, and money spent advertising for new soccer moms to replace the washouts? Or was it nothing to do with money and just a preference to spend his time with more dedicated trainees? It was the reasons behind the decision (that he gave) that I was after.
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JNN, I guess that's the difference between a gimmick and a nitch. We are results driven not money driven. We expect our clients to work hard and try. We don't want people just for the money so they can say they have "personal trainer" just for status reasons, those are the ones that will give the least amount of effort and make you look bad. I don't care what kind of shape the client is in as long as he/she puts out the effort and makes progress, they're walking advertisements for you and if they look the same 3 months from when they started its either the training methods are not working or they aren't putting out the effort. If its they are not not putting out the effort, then why have them around?
btw do not take my posts as being antagonistic
i just wanted to make the point (whether we are a gimmick or a niche) that trophy trainers DO EXIST, we make money, and despite the results our clients, they still re-up when their packages are up (which is what ultimately matters in the PT BUSINESS)
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I agree with that. BTW, we did away with selling packages. But that's for another time :)
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Coach,
Before I started my online biz last year I did the sports performance training/ general public training thing. ( Sent you my newsletter 2 years ago if you may remember and you liked it)
Any way the top 4 biggest obsticals I faces when trying to get student athletes to sign up were the following:
1) We can't afford it!
2) John just doesn't have time between basketball practice and winter baseball!
3) Jimmy already lifts weights at school!
4)Suzie is injured and can't workout ( Dr.'s orders!
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I find it funny that Goodrum hasn't posterd in this thread to tell everyone how to run a PT business. Most of the time he does. But I have a feeling he knows he will be attacked and discredited in this thread if he does. But, now that I have posted this I am sure he will post something about me but still stay away from any PT related posts since he knows he does not qualify as one. Going around saying you are one is far from actually being one.
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Good idea, this thread.
And good advise in the first post, holds true for just about any business.
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I find it funny that Goodrum hasn't posterd in this thread to tell everyone how to run a PT business. Most of the time he does. But I have a feeling he knows he will be attacked and discredited in this thread if he does. But, now that I have posted this I am sure he will post something about me but still stay away from any PT related posts since he knows he does not qualify as one. Going around saying you are one is far from actually being one.
I have other things to do you know. I don't spend my life on Getbig
On a side note, your 500+ pound ass has no business even speaking about personal trainers or fitness. You are a complete disgrace to yourself, your family, and your friends for completely letting yourself go and endangering your health for a jelly doughnut.
Your lack of willpower is disgusting...
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As far as advice, I have only one word....Craigslist
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I have other things to do you know. I don't spend my life on Getbig
On a side note, your 500+ pound ass has no business even speaking about personal trainers or fitness. You are a complete disgrace to yourself, your family, and your friends for completely letting yourself go and endangering your health for a jelly doughnut.
Your lack of willpower is disgusting...
On cue, good job boy. Anyway, pretending to be something you are not does not qualify as "other things to do". And I just so happen to love jelly donuts, thanks for reminding me. And my athletic background and achievements, and actual time in the gym and lifting with people who really do know something about working out qualifies me more than you. Even at my size I bet I get more people asking me about lifting than you do. For some reason having some muscle, being able to lift alot of weight, and having a "world" title means alot more to people than just putting up useless letters behind my name. You really need to know your place Goodrum. In the real world and to real people you are nothing but a blowhard (no pun intended) and someone who is so delusional that they are harmful to others. You have no business telling anyone how to train, diet, pose, compete, do business opr generally anything. Stick to what Vissy claims you are great at. Taking it in the ass and cleaning his chin
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Come on now , let him have his say.
He is sharing what works for him , it may not work for you or the next guy but he has found a recipe that works for him and is good enough to share it.
I give Joe a wind up also but am interested in reading what he has to say on this topic.
totally. i bust this balls as much as the next guy but your spot on in this post.
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On cue, good job boy. Anyway, pretending to be something you are not does not qualify as "other things to do". And I just so happen to love jelly donuts, thanks for reminding me. And my athletic background and achievements, and actual time in the gym and lifting with people who really do know something about working out qualifies me more than you. Even at my size I bet I get more people asking me about lifting than you do. For some reason having some muscle, being able to lift alot of weight, and having a "world" title means alot more to people than just putting up useless letters behind my name. You really need to know your place Goodrum. In the real world and to real people you are nothing but a blowhard (no pun intended) and someone who is so delusional that they are harmful to others. You have no business telling anyone how to train, diet, pose, compete, do business opr generally anything. Stick to what Vissy claims you are great at. Taking it in the ass and cleaning his chin
You're only kidding yourself. No-one cares anymore about your bit parts in movies, Gillette or etc. If all you can do is relive decades old memories rather than actually getting off your ass and getting back in shape then you are truly hopeless.
How many pounds have you lost Keith...seriously.. I bet anything that you are as rolly polly as you were at the 2007 Olympia.
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I find it funny that Goodrum hasn't posterd in this thread to tell everyone how to run a PT business.
I have other things to do you know. I don't spend my life on Getbig
time between posts: 9 minutes.
good job, melvin.
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Actually, we usually tell the Chiros what might need to be done. We have one on staff. BTW, How much did you make last year? What is a "real job" to you?
I'm a product design engineer. I actually design and produce something in this economy. You just separate idiots from their money. PT's produce nothing of value.. Bottom feeders, no different than a used car salesman.
Hilarious that you work with chiropractors - like I said, nothing but snake oil.
I respect a janitor more than some jackass with a clipboard counting reps for a 200 lb housewife. At least they are doing honest work and not charging 50 dollars an hour to babysit.
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On cue, good job boy. Anyway, pretending to be something you are not does not qualify as "other things to do". And I just so happen to love jelly donuts, thanks for reminding me. And my athletic background and achievements, and actual time in the gym and lifting with people who really do know something about working out qualifies me more than you. Even at my size I bet I get more people asking me about lifting than you do. For some reason having some muscle, being able to lift alot of weight, and having a "world" title means alot more to people than just putting up useless letters behind my name. You really need to know your place Goodrum. In the real world and to real people you are nothing but a blowhard (no pun intended) and someone who is so delusional that they are harmful to others. You have no business telling anyone how to train, diet, pose, compete, do business opr generally anything. Stick to what Vissy claims you are great at. Taking it in the ass and cleaning his chin
No you don't.
For the record, Vince G is a jackass, but you embarrass yourself trying to battle with him online because he owns you. Stop being a pathetic fat mess of a human being and maybe you can come back and try to dish out an owning.
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Yoi still haven't defined what a real job was?
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Yoi still haven't defined what a real job was?
A real job is one that produces value without the need to hard sell your services on someone like they do at a used car lot.
A hair stylist is a real job, waitress, cook, engineer, doctor.... Those are real jobs.
Door to door salesman, infomercial salesman, Personal Trainer - those are not real jobs, they are based on boiler room tactics to make the "sale" and keep people coming back - just like what chiropractors do. Make sure to schedule your next visit before you leave...
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Hey stormshadow, last I checked this was a bodybuilding and fitness site. How about go and post on an engineering site about what you've done instead of coming on here to try belittle someone for trying to help others. If you don't like what I have to say then f**k off!
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I'm a product design engineer. I actually design and produce something in this economy. You just separate idiots from their money. PT's produce nothing of value.. Bottom feeders, no different than a used car salesman.
Hilarious that you work with chiropractors - like I said, nothing but snake oil.
I respect a janitor more than some jackass with a clipboard counting reps for a 200 lb housewife. At least they are doing honest work and not charging 50 dollars an hour to babysit.
Why the hell are you on here then. You have no business pon here. I bet you suck at what you do there so you come on here to try and make up for it only to embarras yourself. Kids like you need to join the military and do something with your life. You suck in real life and you suck on here. I hope you are better at the design website you troll on.
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No you don't.
For the record, Vince G is a jackass, but you embarrass yourself trying to battle with him online because he owns you. Stop being a pathetic fat mess of a human being and maybe you can come back and try to dish out an owning.
hahaha okay poindexter. Remember this I live in the real world and do real things in life. Your ONLY claim to anything is you troll a bodybuilding site where you don't belong. Face it you don't fit in and the best way you have of trying is putting down others. Your life sucks, I feel sorry for you.
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Hey stormshadow, last I checked this was a bodybuilding and fitness site. How about go and post on an engineering site about what you've done instead of coming on here to try belittle someone for trying to help others. If you don't like what I have to say then f**k off!
Your not trying to help anyone asshole... your just trying to build your name under the guise of "offering free help"
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Why the hell are you on here then. You have no business pon here. I bet you suck at what you do there so you come on here to try and make up for it only to embarras yourself. Kids like you need to join the military and do something with your life. You suck in real life and you suck on here. I hope you are better at the design website you troll on.
This coming from human sewage that gets owned on a regular basis by Vince G LOL...
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Dude, I don't know how you got through school without comprehending. Did you bother to read my original thread about if anyone IS NOT intrested I would just leave it alone? From here on out I will just ignore your utter ignorance!
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This coming from human sewage that gets owned on a regular basis by Vince G LOL...
Good comeback. You must be a huge muscular scholar. You are one of the "original" get-owned-everyday kids on here. I see why you would support a guy like Goodrum. you have the same physical attributes and carreer highlights. Good job you must be proud of yourself.
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Dude, I don't know how you got through school without comprehending. Did you bother to read my original thread about if anyone IS NOT intrested I would just leave it alone? From here on out I will just ignore your utter ignorance!
You might want to make that part two: "How to ignore one's utter ignorance"
I would imagine GB would take a dump if anyone listened.
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more tips coach!!! keep em coming!
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Good comeback. You must be a huge muscular scholar. You are one of the "original" get-owned-everyday kids on here. I see why you would support a guy like Goodrum. you have the same physical attributes and carreer highlights. Good job you must be proud of yourself.
I don't support Goodrum. I'm just pointing out that between the two of you - he smokes your ass. Your a 500 lb whale that talked about how you were going to lose weight and you achieved nothing.
Anything you achieved in arm wrestling or weightlifting was from the luck of having god given strength - because it's quite obvious you have zero ability to accomplish any type of goal that requires hard work and dedication.
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Coach,
Before I started my online biz last year I did the sports performance training/ general public training thing. ( Sent you my newsletter 2 years ago if you may remember and you liked it)
Any way the top 4 biggest obsticals I faces when trying to get student athletes to sign up were the following:
1) We can't afford it!
I will get into that later, but it can be done!
2) John just doesn't have time between basketball practice and winter baseball!
I have that problem as well, since foot ball (high school) just ended a few weeks ago most of our kids went right into basketball and started tournaments already. What you have to do is sincerely tell the parents that the kid should have at least 2 days of strength training to reduce the chance of injury during in season play and make time for them even if it's a weekend.
3) Jimmy already lifts weights at school!
Maybe so, but most of the coachs I've seen in high school know very little about S&C. I know you're a good trainer and know your shit. You have to convince the parent that this is what you do for a living.
4)Suzie is injured and can't workout ( Dr.'s orders!
Dr's orders are Dr's orders and we are in no position to overrule that. But what you can do is have them come to you for post physical therapy for sports related injuries.
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I don't support Goodrum. I'm just pointing out that between the two of you - he smokes your ass. Your a 500 lb whale that talked about how you were going to lose weight and you achieved nothing.
Anything you achieved in arm wrestling or weightlifting was from the luck of having god given strength - because it's quite obvious you have zero ability to accomplish any type of goal that requires hard work and dedication.
hahahahaha now that is probably the funniest thing you have said so far. Keep em coming you are making yourself look dumber and dumber with each post. It is people like you that actually make me feel very good at the end of the day. I should be thanking god and whoever else every night for not letting me be like you. Thanks for that. Now come back with something witty again.
By the way I got everything I got from hard work. I was 130 pounds in high school. I am pretty sure I wasn't the strongest. Remarks like you made proves to me and others you are just some punk kid who has no business on this website. Bet you have never stepped foot in a gym. Yea yea yea nopw spew a bunch of shit from your piehole. Nop matter what you type it don't mean shit to anyone but you. Another troll on getbig. Big surprise. You and Goodrum belong with each other. Are you Vissy
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Honestly the BIGGEST problem I faced was this:
Public school kids in my city are poverty line so they have literally no money.
Private school kids in my city are broke from paying 18k per year tuition or have NO time due to mandatory after school lifting or athletics. Thing is if a parent is paying 18k per year for their kid to go to school they want to school to facilitate EVERYTHING for their kid. They don;t want to pay an outside source to do something that their school already offers.
Middle school kids are usually available during the summer but other then that its been slim pickin's.
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I'm a product design engineer. I actually design and produce something in this economy. You just separate idiots from their money. PT's produce nothing of value.. Bottom feeders, no different than a used car salesman.
Hilarious that you work with chiropractors - like I said, nothing but snake oil.
I respect a janitor more than some jackass with a clipboard counting reps for a 200 lb housewife. At least they are doing honest work and not charging 50 dollars an hour to babysit.
SS,
I'm surprised that an entrepreneur like you would bash someone who built a biz using a skill set that they have developed. Honestly if someone provides effective results for athletes or even the general public then they are going to be considered successful. If you can earn a upperclass income doing it then that shows their biz savvy.
Not sure what your issue with that is.
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I'm a product design engineer. I actually design and produce something in this economy. You just separate idiots from their money. PT's produce nothing of value.. Bottom feeders, no different than a used car salesman.
Hilarious that you work with chiropractors - like I said, nothing but snake oil.
I respect a janitor more than some jackass with a clipboard counting reps for a 200 lb housewife. At least they are doing honest work and not charging 50 dollars an hour to babysit.
Yea sure you are. You respect janitors cause that is what you are. Not to put it down but facts are facts. Hey type something else really funny. You are on a roll. Hey are you a big flop on the biggest production design website like you are here. Already you have admitted you make ess money than Coach. Hopefully you will get a raise and be able to move out from your parents.
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Yea sure you are. You respect janitors cause that is what you are. Not to put it down but facts are facts. Hey type something else really funny. You are on a roll. Hey are you a big flop on the biggest production design website like you are here. Already you have admitted you make ess money than Coach. Hopefully you will get a raise and be able to move out from your parents.
hahahahaahha
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Dude, I don't know how you got through school without comprehending. Did you bother to read my original thread about if anyone IS NOT intrested I would just leave it alone? From here on out I will just ignore your utter ignorance!
thank you for this thread joloco ...i love you. lol
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Yea sure you are. You respect janitors cause that is what you are. Not to put it down but facts are facts. Hey type something else really funny. You are on a roll. Hey are you a big flop on the biggest production design website like you are here. Already you have admitted you make ess money than Coach. Hopefully you will get a raise and be able to move out from your parents.
Its funny that Onlyme is suppose to be in Timeout and then an exact replica of Keith Jones suddenly reappears as Noworries.
Keith, why didn't you do your Time Out like everyone else did for???
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Its funny that Onlyme is suppose to be in Timeout and then an exact replica of Keith Jones suddenly reappears as Noworries.
Keith, why didn't you do your Time Out like everyone else did for???
Are you say Onlyme has 3 accounts?
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pt advice number 1 :
dont become a "PT" and get a real job.
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pt advice number 1 :
dont become a "PT" and get a real job.
What's a "real" job uberpenis02?
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A real job is one that produces value without the need to hard sell your services on someone like they do at a used car lot.
A hair stylist is a real job, waitress, cook, engineer, doctor.... Those are real jobs.
Door to door salesman, infomercial salesman, Personal Trainer - those are not real jobs, they are based on boiler room tactics to make the "sale" and keep people coming back - just like what chiropractors do. Make sure to schedule your next visit before you leave...
how is this a real job and a pt isn't? they both serve our vain needs.
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Honestly the BIGGEST problem I faced was this:
Public school kids in my city are poverty line so they have literally no money.
Private school kids in my city are broke from paying 18k per year tuition or have NO time due to mandatory after school lifting or athletics. Thing is if a parent is paying 18k per year for their kid to go to school they want to school to facilitate EVERYTHING for their kid. They don;t want to pay an outside source to do something that their school already offers.
Middle school kids are usually available during the summer but other then that its been slim pickin's.
maybe this area is not for you? i mean, there's a reason bentley has a dealership in Beverly Hills, but not in Cleveland, ya dig?
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Keep going JME, your advices are well appreciated
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This is my opinion. Guys like Webcke who have little experiance, like anyone else starting out in anything, has to get experiance, not in a commercial facility but with a private studio or good trainer that can either do an internship or mentor under. I've never worked anywhere else but from what I have heard you really don't learn much exept on how to sweep and put weights away.
This would be hard to pull off in Manhattan where the landscape is dominated by chains. A trainer just starting out would be severely limiting his options.
My experience is probably dated, as I haven't been a trainer for almost 20 years, but, I worked at a very large health club: 5000 members. I started out as an instructor and eventually became a trainer. I have to say I did learn alot from other trainers. Maybe the most important thing I learned was to be patient with people who weren't athletically inclined.
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As I said, I will make ONE thread per day on what worked for me and I will try to conclude by the new year in case anyone would like try and either develop a business or make a little more. Keep in mind, I'm not great at business in the way of keeping books, records, etc, etc. I have an assistant and CPA who does that. Me, I just love to train people and watch them progress with my training systems. I guarantee my results and I have pretty much 2 areas of training, my general fitness clients that includes Private (one on one), semi-private (2-3) and fitness boot camps, I have other trainers for that. I thing is training athletes, high school, college and pro athletes in power sports such as football, Lacrosse, baseball, MMA as well as team training.
Ok, first thing is first, besides having a passion for training you have to have a niche, something that seperates you from other trainers, then you have to position yourself in the community as the "go to" trainer for you particular niche. Mine is training athletes, I seperate myself by letting people know that training athletes is almost the complete opposite of training the "soccer mom" who just wants to shed few pounds. Most personal trainers are trained to help the general public, not athletes. One thing that I have learned when I was building my business (and still do this) is that your a marketer first.
Post 2 tomorrow.
post a copy of your business card. just for reference, i am not a wiseass like 90 percent on here .
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Its funny that Onlyme is suppose to be in Timeout and then an exact replica of Keith Jones suddenly reappears as Noworries.
Keith, why didn't you do your Time Out like everyone else did for???
Whats wrong boy can't stand the heat. Come on with your stupidity you should be able to take any kind of being made fun of. God knows you must be used to it.
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Funk51
www.mpftrainingsystems.c om
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Funk51
www.mpftrainingsystems.c om
thanks, wish you all the sucess in 2010.
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Thank you!!