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"What the Arizona law does is make a state crime out of something that already is... a federal crime."
George Will on Sunday, April 25th, 2010 in a panel discussion on ABC This Week

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Buzz up!ShareThisArizona just passed a new immigration law that's getting the attention of national policymakers.

Critics of the bill say it may be unconstitutional and that it will prompt racial profiling.

But conservative columnist George Will said on ABC's This Week that the new law only reiterates federal crimes.

"What the Arizona law does is make a state crime out of something that already is a crime, a federal crime," he said. "Now, the Arizona police -- and I've spent time with the Phoenix Police Department -- these are not bad people. These are professionals who are used to making the kind of difficult judgments. Suspicion of intoxicated driving, all kinds of judgments are constantly made by policemen. And I wouldn't despair altogether their ability to do this in a professional way."

We're leaving questions of constitutionality to the lawyers. Instead, we wondered whether Will is correct that the new Arizona law makes a state crime out of something that's already a federal crime.

Other proponents of the bill have made the same argument, including Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer, a Republican, who said that the "legislation mirrors federal laws regarding immigration enforcement."

"Despite erroneous and misleading statements suggesting otherwise, the new state misdemeanor crime of willful failure to complete or carry an alien registration document is adopted, verbatim, from the same offense found in federal statute," she said on April 23, 2010, the day she signed the bill.

Opponents are adamant that the bill is unconstitutional. For instance, the Mexican American Legal Defense & Educational Fund wrote in a letter to Brewer that the new law will "require or permit public officials to investigate and determine individual's immigration status. These provisions regulate immigration and are impermissible intrusions on Congress' exclusive constitutional powers."

They also argue that the Arizona law would allow local enforcement authorities to arrest those suspected of being in violation of the law without a warrant. But without a formal agreement with federal authorities, states are prohibited from enforcing civil violations of immigration law, they argue.

The legal scholars we spoke with told us to take a close look at two key sections of Title 8 of the U.S. Code. Section 1304e requires that "every alien, eighteen years of age and over, shall at all times carry with him and have in his personal possession any certificate of alien registration or alien registration receipt card issued to him." Those who fail to comply will be guilty of a misdemeanor and will be fined $100 and can be imprisoned up to 30 days.

Section 1306a says that, "Any alien required to apply for registration and to be fingerprinted in the United States who willfully fails or refuses to make such application or to be fingerprinted, and any parent or legal guardian required to apply for the registration of any alien who willfully fails or refuses to file application for the registration of such alien shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and shall, upon conviction thereof, be fined not to exceed $1,000 or be imprisoned not more than six months, or both."

Indeed, section 3 of the new Arizona law makes it a state crime if immigrants are in violation of either of those codes.

So, when it comes to that section of the law -- arguably the "meat" of the new law -- "it's very clear that in this respect, George Will is right," said Paul Bender, a law professor at Arizona State University.

Gabriel Chin, a professor of law at the University of Arizona, had a similar take. In an e-mail, he wrote that Will's claim is generally correct.


"However, while the underlying offenses are federal crimes, they are among the least prosecuted in the U.S. Code," he wrote. "For the relevant offense at issue here, failure of a non-citizen to register in violation of 8 U.S.C. 1306(a), there were 5 convictions across the U.S. in FY 2008. So to be precise, the statement would be 'What the Arizona law does is make a state crime out of something that already is . . . a federal crime that the federal authorities have chosen not to enforce except in rare circumstances.'"

In fact, proponents of the Arizona law have argued that's why new state immigration rules are needed; federal authorities are not doing a consistent job of enforcing immigration laws that are already on the books.

So, in the two cases above, the bill does make what are already federal crimes state crimes.

There are other parts of the new law that also overlap with federal statute. For instance, section 5 of the Arizona law, which deals with the transportation of non-citizens is nearly identical to section 1324 of Title 8 of the U.S. Code.

However, the Arizona law does break new ground. For example, section 5 also would make it illegal to pick up day laborers on the street for hire, "which has nothing to do with federal law. It's essentially a traffic law," Chin wrote. Those violating this section are guilty of a misdemeanor. And it also makes it a crime for an illegal immigrant to solicit work.   

Mary Giovagnoli, Director of the Immigration Policy Center, pointed out another aspect of the bill that she finds particularly troubling: Section 2 of the Arizona law would allow citizens to sue local and state authorities if they do not believe the new law was being enforced effectively. State and local authorities could be fined between $1,000 and $5,000 a day for each day the policy remains in effect.

The bill also includes new language about how the law applies to employers and specifies the circumstances under which an officer can question and arrest someone they think is in violation of the law.

But Will was talking about crimes. He said that the the new Arizona immigration law makes what is already a federal crime into a state crime. And when it comes to some of the most talked about parts of the law, having to do with aliens who fail to carry proper paperwork and failing to register, Will is correct about the core of the law; federal statutes already makes those two provisions a crime. But the law also includes a new prohibition barring picking up day laborers on the street for hire and soliciting for work. That's not in the federal code. As a result, we find Will's claim to be Mostly True.


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The cry babies on this board have no clue what the hell they are talking about as evidenced by this article. 

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But, but, illegals have dreams. They should be allowed to break the law to chase those dreams.  ::)

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How about they dream about taking their own country back and over throwing their corrupt govts instead of corrupting ours? 

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How about they dream about taking their own country back and over throwing their corrupt govts instead of corrupting ours? 

Hahaha, nice joke!

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Bump. 

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Bump.  

You need to realize that this is Getbig. The overwhelming majority of people posting on this site are morons. Asking them to wrap their head around this would be akin to asking a quadriplegic to tie their own sneakers.

Instead of crying crocodile tears over the perceived rights of illegals they should be taking the federal govt. to task for not doing anything about illegal immigration and continuing to do nothing about it. Fix the illegal immigrant problem and this law won't be needed. Pretty simple.

1,000+ kidnappings in a single city over the course of 2 years (a number of those kidnapped were American citizens) tells me that there is a major problem and that it needs to be addressed. The feds didn't feel that anything should be done so the states were forced to take action. Do these CITIZENS living in Phoenix not have the right to feel safe and secure in their own country?  ::)

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No, they should be on a suicide pact with the gang bangers, drug dealers, and invaders.   ::)  ::) 

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Does the federal law allow citizens to sue LE for not arresting illegals?

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Good question straw.  Sadly the govt is immune from law suits for negligence since they have a public duty and not an individual duty to arrest anyone.

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  The law doesn't go far enough. They should revive Pete Wilson's Prop 187 and cut off welfare benefits to illegals. If you want to get rid of leeches, cut them off from the blood.

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  The law doesn't go far enough. They should revive Pete Wilson's Prop 187 and cut off welfare benefits to illegals. If you want to get rid of leeches, cut them off from the blood.

This should be a no brainer.

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3333, with all due respect, I'm not being a cry baby with my concerns.  I also don't care much about federal law.  I've always been more a of a state's rights fella.  At any rate, I'm not sure I even care to reply to a title that calls me a cry baby for what i feel are legit concerns and for what I have tried to be very careful in how I responded to here on the board....