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UN arms treaty could put U.S. gun owners in foreign sights, say critics
 

Published July 11, 2012
 
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A United Nations treaty on the trade of conventional arms could give enemies of the U.S. access to the records of American gun owners, say critics. (AP)
 


UNITED NATIONS –  A treaty being hammered out this month at the United Nations -- with Iran playing a key role -- could expose the records of America's gun owners to foreign governments -- and, critics warn, eventually put the Second Amendment on global trial.
 
International talks in New York are going on throughout July on the final wording of the so-called Arms Trade Treaty, which supporters such as Amnesty International USA say would rein in unregulated weapons that kill an estimated 1,500 people daily around the world. But critics, including the National Rifle Association’s Wayne LaPierre, warn the treaty would mark a major step toward the eventual erosion of the U.S. Constitution’s Second Amendment gun-ownership rights.
 
Americans “just don’t want the UN to be acting as a global nanny with a global permission slip stating whether they can own a gun or not,” LaPierre said. “It cheapens our rights as American citizens, and weakens our sovereignty,” he warned in an exclusive interview with FoxNews.com from the halls of the UN negotiating chambers.
 



“It cheapens our rights as American citizens, and weakens our sovereignty.”
 
- Wayne LaPierre, National Rifle Association
 

The world body has already been criticized for appointing Iran to a key role in the talks, even as Tehran stands accused by the UN of arming Syrian President Bashar al-Assad's bloody crackdown on rebels. The Obama administration in 2009 reversed Bush administration policy by agreeing to take part in the talks. But in another exclusive interview with FoxNews.com, the top government official on the issue under President Bush says he’s seen nothing new to convince him the U.S. should be at the table today.
 
While the treaty’s details are still under discussion, the document could straitjacket U.S. foreign policy to the point where Washington could be restricted from helping arm friends such as Taiwan and Israel, said Greg Suchan, Deputy Assistant Secretary in the State Department’s Bureau of Political-Military Affairs from 2000 to 2007.
 
Suchan also highlighted ongoing concern that the treaty may end up giving foreigners access to U.S. gun-ownership records.
 
On that score, LaPierre, who serves as NRA executive vice president, warns that the “UN’s refusal” to remove civilian firearms and ammunition from the scope of the treaty amounts to a declaration that only governments should be gun owners.
 
But he revealed he was set Wednesday to tell the UN gathering that 58 U.S. senators had signed a letter saying that they would refuse to ratify any treaty that includes controls over civilian guns or ammunition.
 
Ratification by two-thirds of the Senate is necessary before an international treaty negotiated by the executive branch can become U.S. law. But the treaty could still go into effect elsewhere once 65 countries ratify it. Such a development could change the pattern of world arms transfers and reduce the U.S. share, which stands at about 40 percent of up to $60 billion in global deals.
 
The Bush administration opposed a 2006 UN General Assembly resolution launching the treaty process, but President Obama decided the U.S. would take part on condition the final agreement be reached by consensus -- thereby giving any of the 193 participating states an effective veto.
 
The safeguard is insufficient for opponents of the U.S. participation, not least because UN talks invariably involve compromise.
 
“The administration swears they have a whole bunch of red lines, and they will block consensus if anyone crosses them,” said Suchan, now a government relations consultant as senior associate with the Commonwealth Consulting Corporation in Arlington, Va.
 
“But the dynamics of international negotiations are that once you get 90 percent of what you seek, you say, ‘Maybe there is a way we can finesse the final 10 percent.’”
 
A clause permitting arms transfers solely between UN member states would allow UN member China to object to U.S. arms sales to Taiwan, a non-UN member that China considers to be a renegade province.
 
This would be highly problematic for the U.S. at a time when Beijing is engaged in an unprecedented arms buildup.
 
Another fear is that Arab or other states critical of Israel may use any treaty language on human rights standards to argue against U.S. arms transfers to the Israeli government – much in the same way they currently use the UN Human Rights Council to repeatedly condemn Israel.
 
Suchan said U.S. arms trade law is seen as the global “gold standard” for regulating arms transfers, but doubted many countries would be willing to raise the bar that high. Instead, the treaty that emerges is expected to set a lower global standard – which Suchan said would have the effect of reducing Washington’s ability to press for voluntary arms embargoes against rogue states.
 
“We might want to urge a country to not sell arms to a state whose government is particularly odious,” Suchan explained.
 
“But that government could then ask whether the sale is prohibited under the Arms Trade Treaty – and if it is not, they would argue they are meeting the international standard.”
 
U.S. gun lobby concern focuses on the emphasis the treaty places on governmental – as opposed to individual – rights to guns, LaPierre explained.
 
“They’re trying to impose a UN policy that gives guns to the governments – but the UN doesn’t in turn make moral judgments as to whether these governments are good or bad,” he said.
 
“If you’re the government, you get the guns, if you’re a civilian, you don’t. But this will just end up helping evil governments and tyrants.”
 
For LaPierre, the emphasis he sees at the UN on governmental rights reflects what he believes is a wider international tradition that contrasts with the historical American emphasis on individual rights.
 
“The UN view is that governments – not individual citizens – ought to protect people,” he said, signaling that this principle permeates the draft that negotiators are currently working with.
 
LaPierre says the treaty that is likely to emerge will have the effect of squeezing individual gun owners in the United States and elsewhere by imposing on them an onerous collection of regulations.
 
“If they get this through, then what comes along is the institutionalizing of the whole gun control-ban movement within the bureaucracy of UN – with a permanent funding mechanism that we [in America] will be mainly paying for,” he said.
 
“The world’s worst human rights abusers will end up voting for this, while the Obama administration has not drawn a line in the sand like the previous administration did. Instead, it is trying to be a part of this train wreck because they think they can somehow finesse it. But, to me, there is no finessing the individual freedoms of American citizens.”
 
Steven Edwards is a UN-based freelance journalist


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NRA Takes Aim at Weapons Treaty

The powerful American gun lobby worries about the reach of a global pact on conventional arms.


 By Kira Zalan
July 9, 2012 RSS Feed Print




Delegations from almost 200 countries convened at the United Nations this month to come up with a new treaty that would regulate international trade in conventional weapons. The effort, supported by the Obama administration, has very vocal opposition: the American gun lobby.

Proponents of the Arms Trade Treaty argue that inadequate controls over the international arms market result in armed violence against civilians by human rights violators, criminals, gangs, warlords, and terrorists. The treaty would require governments to deny weapons transfers to states that fit certain criteria, and to develop national laws and regulations governing imports and exports.
 
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The United States, the world's top importer and exporter of conventional weapons, already has a comprehensive tracking and export control system. "We're simply bringing other countries up to our standards," says Daryl Kimball, executive director of the Arms Control Association. "This treaty, in all likelihood, will not require the United States to do anything more than it is already doing."
 
But the American gun lobby says the ATT represents a threat to the Second Amendment.
 
"Depending on the scope of this treaty, it could impact gun registration requirements in the United States, it could enact a ban on commonly owned firearms, it could require tracking and registration of ammunition purchases, and it could create a global gun control bureaucracy within the U.N.," says Andrew Arulanandam, director of public affairs at the National Rifle Association. Arulanandam says the NRA will lobby the Senate to reject ratification if the president signs the treaty.
 
Kimball says the regulation of domestic gun possession is totally outside the scope of the treaty. Sarah Parker, senior researcher with the Switzerland-based Small Arms Survey and an adviser to the Australian delegation to the ATT talks, agrees. "There is no attempt in the Arms Trade Treaty to control the internal regulation of weapons, only international transfers," she says. Both experts say there is misinformation about the effort.
 
Still, the Senate and House Appropriations committees have voted to restrict government funding for advancing the ATT. And last month, 130 House members sent a letter to President Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, arguing that the treaty must not cover small arms, light weapons, or firearms ammunition. They also say it should recognize the individual right of personal self-defense and the legitimacy of hunting, sports shooting, and other lawful activities.
 
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Conventional arms is a broad category, ranging from military systems like tanks, aircraft, and missiles to civilian firearms. Leaving out civilian arms would create a big loophole, experts say. "You have a very big problem making a firm distinction between military and civilian in a legal context" because different states define and regulate arms differently, Parker says.
 
For example, in the United Kingdom, only military personnel are allowed to have handguns, while in the United States an individual may even own a semiautomatic rifle. Parker says it would be impossible to come up with a universal definition for military arms that would be comprehensive or effective in preventing irresponsible transfers—the ultimate goal of the treaty.
 
But the NRA vows to keep the pressure on, and observers are waiting to see whether that will affect the U.S. delegation's position on key issues over the next three weeks of negotiations

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has romney made any public statements on this monstrosity?

If YES, props.

If NO, then stFU about blaming obama for anything and accept bullshit like this goes thru no matter who runs the nation ;)

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has romney made any public statements on this monstrosity?

If YES, props.

If NO, then stFU about blaming obama for anything and accept bullshit like this goes thru no matter who runs the nation ;)

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dont roll your eyes - be honest here - this is a HUGE fucked up situation that congress/senate/romney should be SCREAMING about.

if they're 'on board' - and yes, if Romney screams about trivial shit all day then ignores this, he's on board - then its proof political party doesn't matter.  Some things are just inevitable.

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has romney made any public statements on this monstrosity?

If YES, props.

If NO, then stFU about blaming obama for anything and accept bullshit like this goes thru no matter who runs the nation ;)

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The Obama administration in 2009 reversed Bush administration policy by agreeing to take part in the talks.

Why dont you take your own advice.

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Wasnt the Obama admin quoted saying something to the effect of "I will continue to go after gun control under the table, more discreetly"?
Seems like the perfect way to try and begin the process by being able to blame it on someone else.

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Wasnt the Obama admin quoted saying something to the effect of "I will continue to go after gun control under the table, more discreetly"?
Seems like the perfect way to try and begin the process by being able to blame it on someone else.

Yup he told Sarah Brady in the WH that he was pursuing gun control "under the radar".   That was around the time F&F got underway. 

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Yup he told Sarah Brady in the WH that he was pursuing gun control "under the radar".   That was around the time F&F got underway. 

according to sarah brady, right?  ;)

LMFAO

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according to sarah brady, right?  ;)

LMFAO

Are you accusing her of lying?

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Are you accusing her of lying?

I'm saying that anyone who is 1) emotional 2) cowardice 3) ignorant 4) constitution-hating

to actively remove the rights of americans to have guns - YES YES YES I'm saying anyone who is that fucked up, is more than capable of lying.

If you are anti-gun, that's cool.  If you want to STOP OTHERS FROM THEIR 2ND AMENDMENT RIGHT, you are morally corrupt already.  it's like asking me if i'm accusing an axe murder of jaywalking - entirely possible and within character.

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I'm saying that anyone who is 1) emotional 2) cowardice 3) ignorant 4) constitution-hating

to actively remove the rights of americans to have guns - YES YES YES I'm saying anyone who is that fucked up, is more than capable of lying.

If you are anti-gun, that's cool.  If you want to STOP OTHERS FROM THEIR 2ND AMENDMENT RIGHT, you are morally corrupt already.  it's like asking me if i'm accusing an axe murder of jaywalking - entirely possible and within character.

So you are saying she made up the obama quote? 

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So you are saying she made up the obama quote? 

getbiggers, this is the day where 333386 is defending Sarah Brady's honor while libshit 240 is attacking her.

Pretty funny how far things have come.



33, I believe she's a gungrabber who spit on the COnstitution and will do anything (include lie) to achieve that objective

You seem offended, repeatedly, that anyone would accuse another idiot sarah of such a thing.

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Why dont you take your own advice.

Hahaha, 240 embarrassed again.

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bush was on the right side of this.  Obama is on the wrong side of this.

Romney should be punching walls in front of the cameras over this bullshit.  Screaming about it.

I dont think he's mentioned it.  shocking.

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Wayne LaPierre to UN: Americans Will Never Surrender the Second Amendment
Townhall.com ^ | July 11, 2012 | Katie Pavlich
Posted on July 11, 2012 8:31:27 PM EDT by Kaslin

Today NRA Vice President Wayne LaPierre addressed the United Nations as the debate about the Arms Trade Treaty, or the "Small Arms Treaty," continues in New York City. The treaty is written to make it seem as though only arms transferred by governments will be affected but the details of the language seem to show the treaty applies to civilian firearms. The treaty has been classified as an international effort to attack the Second Amendment in the United States Constitution.

"I am hear to announce the NRA's strong opposition to anti-freedom policies that disregard American citizens' right to self defense. No foreign entity has jurisdiction over the freedoms our Founding Fathers guaranteed to us."
Wayne LaPierre Fights for the Second Amendment Before the United Nations