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the facts-
In 14 months, from oct 04 to Dec 05, Cheney's stock options in Haliburton rose 3281% from $241,000 to $8 million. haliburton was given $10 billion in iraqi contracts during that time.
Cheney made $36million in his last year with Haliburton before entering office.
Cheney plans to return to the private sector in 2008.
Anyone want to make a bet which company he'll apply at first? ;)
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Get off it..........shits getting old!!
STILL MELTINGDOWN >:(
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Get off it..........shits getting old!!
STILL MELTINGDOWN >:(
Ditto on your spew... Mr. Dittohead.
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Get off it..........shits getting old!!
STILL MELTINGDOWN >:(
hey, your meltdown is between you and berserker.
You don't see any possible conflict of interest on the part of Dick Cheney, Mr I?
He goes from being CEO of a big company, to giving that company some sweet no-bid deals when he's in office.
No conflict of interest there? No abuse of power? I didn't know until tonight just how much money he really made from this war... but it's not made up, it's a fact - Dick Cheney, personally, is making terns of millions of dollars off the way in Iraq.
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the facts-
In 14 months, from oct 04 to Dec 05, Cheney's stock options in Haliburton rose 3281% from $241,000 to $8 million. haliburton was given $10 billion in iraqi contracts during that time.
Cheney made $36million in his last year with Haliburton before entering office.
Cheney plans to return to the private sector in 2008.
Anyone want to make a bet which company he'll apply at first? ;)
The stock options is not really a big deal, even though it is questionable that he has those stock options.
I suggest you look into what kind of ties that Dick Cheney has with Halliburton, how much stock he owns and what his history with Halliburton has been in the past.
Ask yourself after looking at those facts if you think it is ok.
YIP
Zack
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WOAH....
How Dick Cheney Got Away With $35 Million Right Before the Government Launched a Probe into Halliburton
by Jason Leopold
It’s obvious that no mainstream news reporter has the gumption to seriously question Vice President Dick Cheney’s ethics when he was chief executive of Halliburton, the oil-field services company that is currently embroiled in a scandal with the Pentagon due to its questionable accounting practices related to its work in war-torn Iraq.
Pity those journalists because this is the stuff Pulitzer’s are made of. What’s even more remarkable is that there’s reams of documents in the public domain showing how Cheney cooked the books when he was CEO of Halliburton, which makes the vice president look like Ken Lay’s twin brother. The evidence is beginning to collect dust. To tell the story of how Cheney’s Halliburton used accounting sleight of hand to fool investors all you need to do is connect the dots, which is what this story will do.
Let’s start with a bit of old news. A couple of weeks ago Halliburton agreed to pay a $7.5 million fine to settle a U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission probe related to a 1998 change in the way Halliburton accounted for construction revenue.
The commission says the undisclosed accounting change caused Halliburton's public statements regarding its income in 1998 and 1999 to be materially misleading, boosting Halliburton’s profits on paper by $120 million.
“In the absence of any disclosure, the investing public was deprived of a full opportunity to assess Halliburton's reported income - more particularly, the precise nature of that income, and its comparability to Halliburton's income in prior periods,” according to the commission.
Cheney was CEO of Halliburton from 1995 to 2000. The SEC said Cheney cooperated with the agency’s investigation and as such he wasn’t penalized for his role in the charade. No big surprise there. All five of the SEC commissioners were appointed by President Bush. Dozens of the administration’s crimes have gone unpunished in the past three years. But dig a little more and you’ll see just how deep the rabbit hole goes.
Cheney has said publicly that he was unaware of Halliburton’s accounting machinations while he was CEO of the company. His Sgt. Schultz defense has been used before by the likes of Gary Winnick of Global Crossing, Dennis Kozlowski of Tyco, John Regas of Adelphia and Ken Lay of Enron, all of whom have been prosecuted by the Justice Department for cooking the books at their respective companies.
A story in the July 22, 2002 issue of Newsweek sets the record straight and proves that Cheney knew full well that Halliburton was engaging in accounting trickery to boost its stock and standing on Wall Street and he should be held accountable just like those other corporate evildoers.
In an interview with two of Newsweek’s reporters, Halliburton CEO David Lesar defended his company’s bookkeeping and said that former CEO Dick Cheney was aware of the firm's accounting methods. Lesar says “Cheney knew that the firm was counting projected cost-overrun payments as revenues, “The vice president was aware of who owed us money, and he helped us collect it,” Lesar told Newsweek.
Wendy Hall, a spokeswoman for Halliburton, said at the time that “the vice president was aware we accrued revenue on unapproved claims in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles.”
By the way, those “generally accepted accounting principles” is what Enron used to cook its books and is why the company’s top two leaders have been charged with a whole of range of crimes by the Justice Department.
Just as disturbing is the fact that Cheney had now defunct auditor, Arthur Anderson, which unraveled in 2002 after the company was found guilty of obstruction of justice for destroying documents related to its role in the Enron debacle, approve Halliburton’s accounting methods. Cheney was so grateful to Anderson that he agreed to appear in a promotional video for Anderson and spoke glowingly about the company for going above and beyond routine audits for Halliburton.
“One of the things I like that they do for us is that, in effect, I get good advice, if you will, from their people based upon how we're doing business and how we're operating, over and above the, just sort of the normal by-the-books audit arrangement,” said Cheney in the 1996 tape.
In a separate but equally corrupt act of corporate malfeasance, a French judge is pouring over evidence to determine whether Cheney may have been responsible under French law for at least one of four bribery payments exchanged between a Halliburton subsidiary and Nigerian officials to obtain contracts for liquefied natural projects. Under French law, “the head of a company can be charged with 'misuse of corporate assets' for bribes paid by any employee - even if the executive didn't know about the improper payments.” The U.S. Justice Department is also investigating the issue.
As if that weren’t enough to toss the vice president and his boss out of office, the Justice Department is also investigating whether Halliburton violated sanctions that prohibit U.S. corporations and businesses from engaging in commercial, financial, or trade transactions with Iran while Cheney headed the company. For the record, Cheney personally lobbied Congress in 1996 to lift those sanctions and when Congress denied the request Halliburton opened a Cayman Island subsidiary so it could do business in Iran by skirting U.S. law.
In July 2004, a federal grand jury issued a subpoena to Halliburton seeking information about its work in Iran. Government officials told the Washington Post such cases are referred to Justice only when there is evidence "intentional or willful" violations have occurred.
The Washington Post summed up Cheney’s tenure at Halliburton this way on July 16, 2002 following revelations that the vice president made a $35 million windfall from his sales of Halliburton stock, right before the company’s share price crashed on the announcement that it was being investigated by a grand jury related to the company overbilling the federal government for its work at Fort Ord in California (which also took place under Cheney’s watch), an issue that is identical to current charges that the company has overbilled the government for its work in Iraq.
“The developments at Halliburton since Cheney's departure leave two possibilities: Either the vice president did not know of the magnitude of problems at the oilfield services company he ran for five years, or he sold his shares in August 2000 knowing the company was likely headed for a fall.”
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Guess who gave a no-bid contract to Haliburton ?
BILL CLINTON, yep oh Bubba.... for a contract to work in Kosovo and Serbia
240, you are one whacked out fella now :o
I feel sorry for you .
Please get help
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Guess who gave a no-bid contract to Haliburton ?
BILL CLINTON, yep oh Bubba.... for a contract to work in Kosovo and Serbia
240, you are one whacked out fella now :o
I feel sorry for you .
Please get help
Please man, don't make this about repub or dem. no-bids are bad, and shady as hell. NOTHING to do with either party.
My point is that it's estimated Cheney will make about $100m by 2007, from haliburton, since entering office.
If you see nothing wrong with the VP making $100M from a company while in office thanks to war, that is fine.
Just tell me on thing, man. Will you be okay if the next VP makes $1 billion instead of $100 million? Or ten billion? You're cool with $100m. So where do you draw the line?
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This is not a rep vs dem thing as the powers at be would have you think it is so as to help deflect from the real issue: MASSIVE CORRUPTION in our government from both parties.
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This is not a rep vs dem thing as the powers at be would have you think it is so as to help deflect from the real issue: MASSIVE CORRUPTION in our government from both parties.
True that!
If there was clear data on how much clinton actually directly earned from a company given no-bids, hell yes i'd be pointing that out. People tend to think that anytime someone points out something wrong with the repubs, it's cause they're pushing a pro-demo agenda.
There is nothing further from the truth. I'm voting mostly repub this fall. I believe in mostly conservative values. But I sure as hell don't believe any candidate should be earning $100m from a company while in office.
Does anyone here seriously believe it's A-OK for a VP to make $100M while in office, benefitting directly from a war?
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When Bil Clinton was elected to the Whitehouse, he did not even own a house,
hardly had much of a savings account. and now both he and Hillary are both multi-millionares.
Guess what 240, that is the way it is, but our country is still the best country to live in, that is why most people want to move here, like it or not,
But you with all your bullshit of how 9/11 was an inside job, and everytime someone points out how idiotic you are, you try to find something else, like when you tired to show photos of how the jetliner had a bomb ( missile) on the bottom of it, and then someone on here showed you photos of other jetliners that looked the same, and that what you were seeing was where the wing tied into the jet, and nothing more, yet you never even admitted you were wrong on that one, you just try to go dig up something else, It is almost like you have invested so much time on this subject, that you refuse to admit to yourself that you are wrong, as if you did, it would admit that all your time was just one big waist !
240, I call it as I see it, like with Toxic, he bitches non stop about Bush, and then he admits he did not even vote in the last Presidential election, this is what I call a true idiot, if you dont vote, then dont bitch !
but with you 240, I know you are not an idiot, but you are truly starting to look like one on here, and sometimes we get so involved in something that we lose sight of reality, and this is what I think is starting to happen to you.
9/11 was an attack on the USA by muslim terrorist. Could it have been prevented, maybe so, could Clinton and Bush have done more to protect us, maybe so, but in a time of being politically correct, those terrorist were allowed to get on the jet, even though there names drew red flags , but guess what, it was not an inside job.
I think even you know this now, but you refuse to admit it.
oh well, continue you on with your whacked out post on here.
Later.
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Guess what 240, that is the way it is, but our country is still the best country to live in, that is why most people want to move here, like it or not,
I agree. But even flaws here can be fixed, right?
9/11 was an attack on the USA by muslim terrorist. Could it have been prevented, maybe so, could Clinton and Bush have done more to protect us, maybe so, but in a time of being politically correct, those terrorist were allowed to get on the jet, even though there names drew red flags , but guess what, it was not an inside job.
You "KNOW" the US wasn't involved because that's what your television showed you. Did you see the Blue media video clips I posted earlier, from the 20 seconds directly before each tower fell? They show 9 blasts for the first tower and 3 on the second tower. Loud explosions, smoke puring from basement, then the building collapses.
Now yes, Al Q had a hand in the hijackings. But Al Q didn't call off NORAD, and Al Q didn't fill the basements with bombs. So please do your research.
I'd love to see you watch those two clips - it'd probably take a total of 4 minutes of your life - and you'd realize that no matter what you believe (inside job or not), SOMETHING was exploding in the basements before each building came down. And since the 911 report says there weren't massive explosions right before the fall, it has glaring omissions and should be reinvestigated.
I hate to tell you this, since you KNOW the US wasnt' involved... but there are millions of people who believe otherwise. Why is it that you can stand on your box and say there were no bombs, when you haven't even seen the video clips where the blasts are shown?
Monster incompleteness on your part. And I don't want a conviction - I just want another investigation so that we can see if bombs were used.
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the facts-
In 14 months, from oct 04 to Dec 05, Cheney's stock options in Haliburton rose 3281% from $241,000 to $8 million. haliburton was given $10 billion in iraqi contracts during that time.
Cheney made $36million in his last year with Haliburton before entering office.
Cheney plans to return to the private sector in 2008.
Anyone want to make a bet which company he'll apply at first? ;)
Source?
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congress actually revealed that one. sen lautenberg. it's on a lot of sites, but since google pops up the liberal ones that you'll shit on, i'll let you look it up yourself :)
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congress actually revealed that one. sen lautenberg. it's on a lot of sites, but since google pops up the liberal ones that you'll shit on, i'll let you look it up yourself :)
translation: I'm full of shit :)
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Al,
yes or no.
Do you have a problem with Cheney earning $8M from haliburton while in office?
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Cheney's Halliburton stock options rose 3,281% last year, senator finds
http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Cheneys_stock_options_rose_3281_last_1011.html
An analysis released by a Democratic senator found that Vice President Dick Cheney's Halliburton stock options have risen 3,281 percent in the last year, RAW STORY can reveal.
Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ) asserts that Cheney's options -- worth $241,498 a year ago -- are now valued at more than $8 million. The former CEO of the oil and gas services juggernaut, Cheney has pledged to give proceeds to charity.
“Halliburton has already raked in more than $10 billion from the Bush-Cheney Administration for work in Iraq, and they were awarded some of the first Katrina contracts," Lautenberg said in a statement. "It is unseemly for the Vice President to continue to benefit from this company at the same time his Administration funnels billions of dollars to it. The Vice President should sever his financial ties to Halliburton once and for all.”
Cheney continues to hold 433,333 Halliburton stock options. The company has been criticized by auditors for its handling of a no-bid contact in Iraq. Auditors found the firm marked up meal prices for troops and inflated gas prices in a deal with a Kuwaiti supplier. The company built the American prison at Guantanamo Bay.
The Vice President has sought to stem criticism by signing an agreement to donate the after-tax profits from these stock options to charities of his choice, and his lawyer has said he will not take any tax deduction for the donations.
However, the Congressional Research Service (CRS) concluded in Sept. 2003 that holding stock options while in elective office does constitute a “financial interest” regardless of whether the holder of the options will donate proceeds to charities. CRS also found that receiving deferred compensation is a financial interest.
Cheney told "Meet the Press" in 2003 that he didn't have any financial ties to the firm.
“Since I left Halliburton to become George Bush's vice president, I've severed all my ties with the company, gotten rid of all my financial interest," the Vice President said. "I have no financial interest in Halliburton of any kind and haven't had, now, for over three years.”
Cheney continues to received a deferred salary from the company. According to financial disclosure forms, he was paid $205,298 in 2001; $162,392 in 2002; $178,437 in 2003; and $194,852 in 2004.
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Please let me know once you believe the story. I found many on google.
Cheney 3281% in Halliburton?s Pocket
Hat tip to the Carpetbagger Report...
A non-partisan congressional report requested by Sen. Frank Lautenberg's (D-N.J.) office showed that Cheney still has substantial financial interests in Halliburton, including lucrative deferred compensation and more than 433,000 stock options. But instead of acknowledging the ties divesting himself from his former company, Cheney denied everything.
Lautenberg, to his enormous credit, has stuck with this story, and issued a report today explaining that the value of Cheney's Halliburton stock options rose in value 3281% in one year.
An analysis released today by the Office of Senator Frank R. Lautenberg reveals that Vice President Cheney's Halliburton stock options have increased in value 3,281 percent in one year. The stock options, which were worth $241,498 one year ago are now valued at $8,165,489.07. In light of the surging value of Vice President Cheney's holdings, Senator Lautenberg reiterated his call for the Vice President to forfeit his continuing financial interest in the Halliburton Co (HAL). Vice President Cheney continues to hold 433,333 Halliburton stock options and receives almost $200,000 a year in deferred salary from Halliburton.
"As Halliburton's fortunes rise, so do the Vice President's, and that is wrong," said Senator Lautenberg. "Halliburton has already raked in more than $10 billion from the Bush-Cheney Administration for work in Iraq, and they were awarded some of the first Katrina contracts. It is unseemly for the Vice President to continue to benefit from this company at the same time his Administration funnels billions of dollars to it. The Vice President should sever his financial ties to Halliburton once and for all."
Cheney?s stock shares rose a jaw-dropping 3281% in one year. Think about that for a moment. Imagine that Al Gore, say, or any other Democrat, had managed to parlay a little over 200 grand into over 8 million in one year. And doing it by war profiteering ? in a war he, himself, fomented with fabricated evidence, taxpayer-funded propaganda, and lies.
Now imagine the shrieking republican lynch mob and media hysteria that would ensue. But do you hear anything now? Have you seen a single ?liberal? MSM report on it? No. Nothing but the lonely voice of Frank Lautenberg, one brave soul, crying out in the wilderness.
Think about an 8 million dollar profit in one year -all of it from no-bid contracts paid for by you and me. And that's what Cheney has to show for this war. What we have is 2000 dead young Americans, and a debt and obligation stretching far into the future.
So what was the invasion of Iraq really about ... oil? In a way, yes, but it was far more about Halliburton.
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http://www.commondreams.org/views05/1117-22.htm
Dick Cheney: War Profiteer
by Tom Turnipseed
Questions persist about Vice-President Cheney’s role in the ongoing investigation and scandal swirling about the White House. His chief of staff and confidante Lewis “Scooter” Libby has been indicted for perjury and obstruction of justice. Let’s take a look at some personal incentives for Cheney’s selling war to our country.
Cheney has pursued a political and corporate career to make himself very rich and powerful. He is the personification of a war profiteer who slid through the revolving door connecting the public and private sectors of the defense establishment on two occasions in a career that has served his relentless quest for power and profits.
As Defense Secretary, Mr. Cheney commissioned a study for the U.S. Department of Defense by Brown and Root Services (now Kellogg, Brown and Root), a wholly owned subsidiary of Halliburton. The study recommended that private firms like Halliburton should take over logistical support programs for U.S. military operations around the world. Just two years after he was Secretary of Defense, Cheney stepped through the revolving door linking the Department of Defense with defense contractors and became CEO of Halliburton. Halliburton was the principal beneficiary of Cheney’s privatization efforts for our military’s logistical support and Cheney was paid $44 million for five year's work with them before he slipped back through the revolving door of war profiteering to become Vice-President of the United States. When asked about the money he received from Halliburton, Cheney said. "I tell you that the government had absolutely nothing to do with it."
The Bush administration has dished out lucrative reconstruction contracts in Iraq to favored U.S. based corporations including Halliburton and denied contracts to many Iraqi and foreign based companies. To the conquerors go the spoils was the message on December 11, 2003 when Bush said, “The taxpayers understand why it makes sense for countries that risk lives to participate in the contracts in Iraq, It's very simple. Our people risk their lives, friendly coalition folks risk their lives, and therefore the contracting is going to reflect that.”
Bush’s statement is a stunning admission of how much corrupt corporations control our foreign policy. Under Cheney’s leadership Halliburton out did Enron in using offshore subsidiaries as tax shelters to hide profits to bilk U.S. taxpayers. Halliburton also utilized off-shore subsidiaries to contract for services and sell banned equipment to rogue states like Iran, Iraq and Libya. This would be illegal if done directly by Halliburton.
At last count Halliburton had 58 offshore subsidiaries in Caribbean tax havens. With Cheney at the helm Halliburton’s tax payments to the U.S. went from $302 million in 1998 to zero in 1999, when they also received a refund of $85 million from the Internal Revenue Service.
During Cheney’s tenure as CEO from 1995 to 2000, Halliburton Products and Services set up shop in Iran. The Halliburton subsidiary does approximately $40 million a year worth of oil field service work for the Iranian government. 60 Minutes correspondent Lesley Stahl visited the subsidiary in the Cayman Islands and found that it had no office and no employees. The mailing address was a local bank with which the subsidiary is registered. Stahl was met there by the bank’s manager who informed her that all mail to the subsidiary is forwarded to Halliburton headquarters in Houston. Halliburton had created the subsidiary to allow itself to do illegal business with a rogue state and to skip out on its taxes in the process.
With Iran’s president vowing to destroy Israel and being accused by the Bush administration of harboring and aiding al-Qaeda operatives, Cheney’s company is doing business with Iran through a subsidiary and dodging its tax obligations to the U.S.
Halliburton has been more closely associated with the invasion of Iraq than any other corporation. Before the Iraq War began, it was 19th on the U.S. Army's list of top contractors and zoomed to number 1 in 2003. In 2003 Halliburton made $4.2 billion from the U.S. government. Cheney stated he had , "severed all my ties with the company, gotten rid of all my financial interest."
Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ) recently asserted that Cheney's stock options which were worth $241,498 a year ago, are now valued at more than $8 million-- for an increase of 3,281% . Cheney has pledged to give the proceeds to charity. Cheney continues to received a deferred salary from the company. He was paid $205,298 in 2001; $162,392 in 2002; $178,437 in 2003; and $194,852 in 2004.
The Congressional Research Service has concluded that holding stock options while in elective office does constitute a “financial interest” whether or not the holder of the options donates the proceeds to charities, and deferred compensation is also a financial interest.
Calling on Cheney to sever his financial ties to Halliburton, Lautenberg points out that the company has already raked in more than $10 billion for work in Iraq, and was handed some of the first Katrina contracts. The company has been criticized by auditors for its handling of no-bid contacts in Iraq, and there have been numerous allegations of over charging for services. Auditors found the firm marked up meal prices for troops and inflated gas prices in a deal with a Kuwaiti supplier. The company also built the American prison at Guantanamo Bay. Lautenberg said, "It is unseemly for the Vice President to continue to benefit from this company at the same time his Administration funnels billions of dollars to it.”
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Al,
yes or no.
Do you have a problem with Cheney earning $8M from haliburton while in office?
If you actually bothered to read a real newspaper, you would know that while in office, Cheney has cashed in several millions of dollars worth of stock options . . . most of which he donated to charity. And it wouldn't have bothered me one bit even if he didn't.
but, please don't let that hinder you in your mission to turn the general board into a puddle of brown filth.
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Thanks. I honestly didn't believe you. :) Sounds like his stock has dramatically increased and he is donating it all to charity. Big deal.
That said, he ought to sever his ties completely, because there is an appearance problem. Does that equal conspiracy, etc.? No.
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Thanks. I honestly didn't believe you. :) Sounds like his stock has dramatically increased and he is donating it all to charity. Big deal.
That said, he ought to sever his ties completely, because there is an appearance problem. Does that equal conspiracy, etc.? No.
as usual, our village idiot is posting stories that are old news. although this one is only several months old, not years old like his "ethnic bullet" bullshit. his assets are managed independently.
here's the source that dumbass couldn't find.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/04/20060414-2.html
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Lautenberg's investigation came up because Dick made a lot of money. Dick went on Meet the Press, was confronted wiht the info, then donated it.
i'd like to see this from a source that isn't whitehouse.gov :)
Did he donate profits in 01, 02, 03, and 04 also? Or did he only donate in 2006 after being caleld out by tim russert on meet the press? Sharing your cookies with children after being caught with your hand in the cookie jar isn't admirable.
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Lautenberg's investigation came up because Dick made a lot of money. Dick went on Meet the Press, was confronted wiht the info, then donated it.
i'd like to see this from a source that isn't whitehouse.gov :)
Did he donate profits in 01, 02, 03, and 04 also? Or did he only donate in 2006 after being caleld out by tim russert on meet the press? Sharing your cookies with children after being caught with your hand in the cookie jar isn't admirable.
dumbass . . . he didn't cash in stock options those other years. and everyone knows how much he got paid each year from Halliburton b/c they don't waste all their time posting on getbig . . . they actually pick up an NYT or Washington Post and read it.
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dumbass . . . he didn't cash in stock options those other years. and everyone knows how much he got paid each year from Halliburton b/c they don't waste all their time posting on getbig . . . they actually pick up an NYT or Washington Post and read it.
everyone knows?
berserker, do you know? I-one?
Everyone? 292 million people can recite what Cheney made from haliburton each of those 4 years? Damn, I do need to log off and get a paper.
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Thanks. I honestly didn't believe you. :) Sounds like his stock has dramatically increased and he is donating it all to charity. Big deal.
That said, he ought to sever his ties completely, because there is an appearance problem. Does that equal conspiracy, etc.? No.
No it isn't a conspiracy but it is a massive unethical conflict of interest and insinuates a previous motivation to recieve benefits from a Iraqi invasion.
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No it isn't a conspiracy but it is a massive unethical conflict of interest and insinuates a previous motivation to recieve benefits from a Iraqi invasion.
Not really. It's an appearance of impropriety, not an actual conflict of interest. I don't think he personally gave Halliburton the contract and he has no authority within Halliburton.
It does give people room to argue that our government had ulterior motives when going into Iraq, but when you try and line up the dominoes it doesn't work. The guy was loaded before the invasion. He would have had more money than he could spend with or without the invasion. It just doesn't make sense that Cheney advised Bush to start a war so Cheney could possibly increase the value of his Halliburton stock, so Cheney could in turn donate the increase to charity. It makes for good message board fodder, but doesn't make a lot of sense in the real world.
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This is not a political issue (repub or dem). Any member of either party who holds stock and hooks a company up like that is a bag o shit. And there are laws against these conflicts of interest. I know the local and state laws - but I do not know the federal. Anyone?
Not really. It's an appearance of impropriety, not an actual conflict of interest. I don't think he personally gave Halliburton the contract and he has no authority within Halliburton.
You don't think he *personally* gave haliburton the no-bids? And you don't see any conflict of interest? Maybe, if he had allowed bids, our country would have saved a hell of a lot of money.
It does give people room to argue that our government had ulterior motives when going into Iraq, but when you try and line up the dominoes it doesn't work. The guy was loaded before the invasion. He would have had more money than he could spend with or without the invasion. It just doesn't make sense that Cheney advised Bush to start a war so Cheney could possibly increase the value of his Halliburton stock, so Cheney could in turn donate the increase to charity. It makes for good message board fodder, but doesn't make a lot of sense in the real world.
Holy shit dude... he was loaded before the invastion so therefore he has no motive to try to make more money? Um, the rich enjoy being very rich. And he only donated the cash to charity AFTER he was called out on Meet the Press about it.
How doesn't it make sense in the real world? He ran a company for 5+ years. He became VP and kept stock options. he gave them a lot of business with no-bid deals. No other companies were allowed to vie for those contracts, and hall named their own price. And, Cheneny made millions off it. Then, when caught, he decided to donate the money.
Ya don't see anything shady there? Holy shit, man. I wish you were my boss. You sound like you'd run an awesome workplace!
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I already said it looks bad. What doesn't make any sense in the real world is that Cheney advised Bush to start a war so Halliburton could get a no-bid contract. That's just plain silly.
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I already said it looks bad. What doesn't make any sense in the real world is that Cheney advised Bush to start a war so Halliburton could get a no-bid contract. That's just plain silly.
In Spring of 01, the US tried to convince the Taliban to let us put in an oil pipeline across afghanistan. They declined. We offered them a "carpet of gold, or a carpet of bombs". They refused.
The afghan war plans were solidified in July 2001, same time Silverstein bought the towers.
Six weeks later, 9/11 happened.
3 weeks after that, the bombs started falling on Afghan.
8 weeks after that we controlled the country.
250 weeks later, we're still there, fighting now and then to pass the time and justify our presence before the govt will suddenly face a crisis and *beg* us to put in that pipeline to save their economy. Halliburton will get that contract, I'd wager ;)
Oh, I'll bet you already knew that puppet leader Karzai that we put up in Afghan - he's an old Bush oil associate.
Is this starting to make sense to you?
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Is this starting to make sense to you?
it has made sense to us for a long time that you just pull things out of your ass at will. quite an amazing talent really.
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it has made sense to us for a long time that you just pull things out of your ass at will. quite an
Please take my quote below, and dispel each statement, one-by-one. Thank you.
In Spring of 01, the US tried to convince the Taliban to let us put in an oil pipeline across afghanistan. They declined. We offered them a "carpet of gold, or a carpet of bombs". They refused.
The afghan war plans were solidified in July 2001, same time Silverstein bought the towers.
Six weeks later, 9/11 happened.
3 weeks after that, the bombs started falling on Afghan.
8 weeks after that we controlled the country.
250 weeks later, we're still there, fighting now and then to pass the time and justify our presence before the govt will suddenly face a crisis and *beg* us to put in that pipeline to save their economy. Halliburton will get that contract, I'd wager ;)
Oh, I'll bet you already knew that puppet leader Karzai that we put up in Afghan - he's an old Bush oil associate.
Is this starting to make sense to you?
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In Spring of 01, the US tried to convince the Taliban to let us put in an oil pipeline across afghanistan. They declined. We offered them a "carpet of gold, or a carpet of bombs". They refused.
The afghan war plans were solidified in July 2001, same time Silverstein bought the towers.
Six weeks later, 9/11 happened.
3 weeks after that, the bombs started falling on Afghan.
8 weeks after that we controlled the country.
250 weeks later, we're still there, fighting now and then to pass the time and justify our presence before the govt will suddenly face a crisis and *beg* us to put in that pipeline to save their economy. Halliburton will get that contract, I'd wager ;)
Oh, I'll bet you already knew that puppet leader Karzai that we put up in Afghan - he's an old Bush oil associate.
Is this starting to make sense to you?
No. It makes no sense. Six degrees of separation. You cannot connect the dots. Cheney did not advise Bush to start a war, and Bush did not order the invasion of Iraq so Cheney could increase the value of his Halliburton stock. Absurd.
Wait . . . I'm debating with someone who doesn't believe Timothy McVeigh was really executed and that Barbara Olsen was captured and secretly released somewhere overseas . . . .
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Cheney did not advise Bush to start a war,
Are you serious here?
You have the gall to insult me with twilight zone music, and you seriously have the audacity to state as fact: Cheney did not advise Bush to start a war,
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I already said it looks bad. What doesn't make any sense in the real world is that Cheney advised Bush to start a war so Halliburton could get a no-bid contract. That's just plain silly.
Well, chances are they knew thre weren't any WMD's that were a significant threat. They knew Al-Queda was a big force in iraq. Haliburton isn't the only company that recieved no-bid contracts. Cheney probably didn't by himslef engineer the iraq war, but it think it's safe to say that money was the real motivation and WMD's and the war on terror was the excuse.
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For sure, anyone that still doesn't believe Iraq was motivated by money it naive. :P
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Are you serious here?
You have the gall to insult me with twilight zone music, and you seriously have the audacity to state as fact:
Are you kidding? Here is what I said: "Cheney did not advise Bush to start a war, and Bush did not order the invasion of Iraq so Cheney could increase the value of his Halliburton stock. Absurd."
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Well, chances are they knew thre weren't any WMD's that were a significant threat. They knew Al-Queda was a big force in iraq. Haliburton isn't the only company that recieved no-bid contracts. Cheney probably didn't by himslef engineer the iraq war, but it think it's safe to say that money was the real motivation and WMD's and the war on terror was the excuse.
It's not safe to say that at all. It's a rather wild assumption. In fact, we've actually lost money fighting this war.
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Guys, come on.
You're just not communicating! ;D
Dick Cheney advised Bush to start the war. I think there is few people doubting that. Most political experts, both left and right, acknowledges Cheney as the most powerful VP ever.
As to WHY he wanted to started the war... there could be several theories.
Personally, I doubt Cheney wanted to go to war to make himself rich.
But, and here's the kicker, while USA is in Iraq, there is evidence indicating that Cheney is seizing the opportunity to fill his own wallet.
Greed isn't a popular trait.
A president, or VP, shouldn't put them in such a position that his/her credibility is questioned due to personal interests.
The question as to why USA went to war, despite IAEA never finding any WMD's, and no known connections to Al Qaida...
It was a clear breach of international law, but since USA, much like France, Russia, UK and other big players in the UN are on the winning side, I'm sure there will never be any actions taken against the US in the UN.
YIP
Zack
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I don't believe Cheney "started the war to earn a few million from Hallib"
He did it because his bosses wanted it done. You do the research. I don't go above govt level.
In fact, we've actually lost money fighting this war.
An estimated two trillion when you toss in the long term health costs of the wounded. It is safe to say that SOME companies and individuals have made retirement coin from the war.
Here is what I said: "Cheney did not advise Bush to start a war
Please find proof of this. Please find any statement by anyone, from any party, to back up your statement. Any website even.
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I don't believe Cheney "started the war to earn a few million from Hallib"
He did it because his bosses wanted it done. You do the research. I don't go above govt level.
you're funny.
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It's not safe to say that at all. It's a rather wild assumption. In fact, we've actually lost money fighting this war.
"We've" have lost 330 billion in this war, the american people, money that could have gone to soo many more worthy places like schools. Who has profited from the war? Any of these companies who recieved no-bid contracts.
IT isn't as black and white as you make sound regarding our motivations. The mililitary defense industry has a great deal fo influence in foreign affairs. Believe me they wanted this war. Along with energy companies who saw this as a golden opportunity to make serious money. Did Bush just decide on his own to go to war? no, He was strongly encouraged by the Military defense indsutry and these energy companies including some oil companies. They are making all the money here.
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I don't believe Cheney "started the war to earn a few million from Hallib"
He did it because his bosses wanted it done. You do the research. I don't go above govt level.
An estimated two trillion when you toss in the long term health costs of the wounded. It is safe to say that SOME companies and individuals have made retirement coin from the war.
Please find proof of this. Please find any statement by anyone, from any party, to back up your statement. Any website even.
Dude, what we have here is a failure to communicate. What I said was Cheney didn't advise Bush to start a war so Cheney could increase the value of his stock. I tried highlighting the text for you. Now I've said it a third time. Of course Cheney advised Bush we should invade Iraq, but he didn't give that advise so he could increase the value of his stock. Now I've said it a fourth time . . . .
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"We've" have lost 330 billion in this war, the american people, money that could have gone to soo many more worthy places like schools. Who has profited from the war? Any of these companies who recieved no-bid contracts.
IT isn't as black and white as you make sound regarding our motivations. The mililitary defense industry has a great deal fo influence in foreign affairs. Believe me they wanted this war. Along with energy companies who saw this as a golden opportunity to make serious money. Did Bush just decide on his own to go to war? no, He was strongly encouraged by the Military defense indsutry and these energy companies including some oil companies. They are making all the money here.
I am sure the defense industry profits from war and they likely secretly root for armed conflict, but there is no link between defense industry profits and Bush's order to invade Iraq. Lots of speculation, but no direct link, no proof, no smoking gun.
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What I said was Cheney didn't advise Bush to start a war so Cheney could increase the value of his stock.
No. You didn't.
No. It makes no sense. Six degrees of separation. You cannot connect the dots. Cheney did not advise Bush to start a war, and Bush did not order the invasion of Iraq so Cheney could increase the value of his Halliburton stock. Absurd.
Wait . . . I'm debating with someone who doesn't believe Timothy McVeigh was really executed and that Barbara Olsen was captured and secretly released somewhere overseas . . . .
*theme from Twilight Zone*
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No. You didn't.
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