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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: GetItOnNY on July 26, 2009, 03:32:29 PM
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Robert Burneika GOT 3RD place in the superheavyweight division.I want to thank you guys for your positive words and support.I only met Robert Burneika about 5 months go through another freak, a powerlifter friend of mine Eric who owns Muscle Blvd here in town.Eric said, John you got to see this guy, he has 24" arms and he ios 300lbs.So I went and met with Eric and Robert Burneika.After meeting with Robert Burneika I wanted to immdeiatly wanted to endorse and work with him.Robert Burneika has done 2 bodybuilding shows when I met him, and now he has only done 4 shows.
After only doing 4 bodybuilding, and for him to take 3rd place at the USA, is unheard of.I personal think he could have won the show.When I started working with Robert Burneika he knew nothing about carb cycling, or sodium loading.He would just eat clean for shows.Anybody who knows anything about bodybuilding is the only way to such a guy inm is to go low carbs, and rotate them.We would rotate his carbs anywhere ffrom 50-150, then he would carb load at 400 grams sometimes once a week.Considering Robert Burneika hasnt done but 2 shows before I met him, and I have never worked with him for a show before.I have only known him 5 months.After this show I think we learned alot about his body and we did what we were set out to do get him exposure.Robert Burneika has a photo shoot with MD today, then on Monday, he has a photo shoot, with Flex, and Muscle and Fitness.
I predict Robert Burneika will be a pro bodybuilder within one year.He will make a great pro,per Dave Palumbo, and Steve Weinberger
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Robert Burneika GOT 3RD place in the superheavyweight division.I want to thank you guys for your positive words and support.I only met Robert Burneika about 5 months go through another freak, a powerlifter friend of mine Eric who owns Muscle Blvd here in town.Eric said, John you got to see this guy, he has 24" arms and he ios 300lbs.So I went and met with Eric and Robert Burneika.After meeting with Robert Burneika I wanted to immdeiatly wanted to endorse and work with him.Robert Burneika has done 2 bodybuilding shows when I met him, and now he has only done 4 shows.
After only doing 4 bodybuilding, and for him to take 3rd place at the USA, is unheard of.I personal think he could have won the show.When I started working with Robert Burneika he knew nothing about carb cycling, or sodium loading.He would just eat clean for shows.Anybody who knows anything about bodybuilding is the only way to such a guy inm is to go low carbs, and rotate them.We would rotate his carbs anywhere ffrom 50-150, then he would carb load at 400 grams sometimes once a week.Considering Robert Burneika hasnt done but 2 shows before I met him, and I have never worked with him for a show before.I have only known him 5 months.After this show I think we learned alot about his body and we did what we were set out to do get him exposure.Robert Burneika has a photo shoot with MD today, then on Monday, he has a photo shoot, with Flex, and Muscle and Fitness.
I predict Robert Burneika will be a pro bodybuilder within one year.He will make a great pro,per Dave Palumbo, and Steve Weinberger
Who? :D
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fucking beast!
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Who? :D
I'm getting this guy confused with Robert Blake from the Barreta Series is this who we are talking about chimps? :D
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great physique, strong too..
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Narrow Clavicles, wide waist, stick a fork in him hes done.
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Smoot as glass no cuts
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He was hard, those pics dont do him any justice.The lighting of those shots dont show his detail.Robert was shredded, but he was hard, his glutes had stridations.He just needs to tightes up a lil bit, which if he used Cytodren, that would have helped.We couldnt find any.Hany swears by Cytodren and calls it his secret weapon.
He also needs to bring up his inner thighs, and hamstrings.
But Like I said before he was a strong man up until late 2006, so he has been only bodybuilding 2 1/2 years.
I think with about a years worth of work, to bring up his weak body parts, add more detail to his mass, and work on his posing, he will be a great pro.He is a diamond in the rough,once he gets it all together he will give alot of pro bodybuilders some serious grief
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Narrow Clavicles, wide waist, stick a fork in him hes done.
Can't stick a fork in somebody claiming they're done, when they haven't even started. Apparently, GetItOnNY thinks he will start eventually...I disagree.
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He was hard, those pics dont do him any justice.The lighting of those shots dont show his detail.Robert was shredded, but he was hard, his glutes had stridations.He just needs to tightes up a lil bit, which if he used Cytodren, that would have helped.We couldnt find any.Hany swears by Cytodren and calls it his secret weapon.
He also needs to bring up his inner thighs, and hamstrings.
But Like I said before he was a strong man up until late 2006, so he has been only bodybuilding 2 1/2 years.
I think with about a years worth of work, to bring up his weak body parts, add more detail to his mass, and work on his posing, he will be a great pro.He is a diamond in the rough,once he gets it all together he will give alot of pro bodybuilders some serious grief
i wouldnt ever use cytadren
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by Bill Roberts - Cytadren, at moderate doses, is a fairly effective inhibitor of aromatase and a weak inhibitor of desmolase (an enzyme needed for the production of all steroids), and at higher doses becomes an effective inhibitor of desmolase. It is therefore useful when using aromatizable steroids, though it is not the drug of choice for this purpose.
Inhibition of desmolase -- the undesired side effect of Cytadren -- will lead, at least temporarily, to decreased production of cortisol. Contrary to the other claims, there is no evidence, nor good reason to believe, that reducing cortisol below normal would be of benefit to the weight training athlete, and considerable evidence that it is a bad idea. Thus, desmolase inhibition is to be avoided.
The claim that Cytadren significantly inhibits natural production of testosterone is not correct. The desmolase step is rate limiting for the production of cortisol, but not for testosterone: thus, a slowing of desmolase activity does not slow production of testosterone significantly. However, the conclusion that natural athletes should not use Cytadren is correct, but for a different reason. Natural athletes have no need of the antiaromatase activity, and the anti-desmolase activity, reducing cortisol below normal, is not desirable. It would only be desirable if cortisol levels were abnormally high, which should not be the case.
The claim that 2-4 tablets per day (500-1000 mg) should be taken is extraordinarily bad advice. I do not believe that more than 250 mg/day should be taken, and that should be taken very carefully, divided into 125 mg (half a tab) in the morning, and 62.5 mg (quarter tab) six and twelve hours after that. The two days on on, two days off idea is also not a good one, since that gives no antiaromatase activity half of the time.
It has been demonstrated that 250 mg/day is not much less effective than 1000 mg/day in inhibiting aromatase, but the smaller dose results in much less desmolase inhibition.
If desmolase has been substantially inhibited and then this is suddenly discontinued, cortisol rebound occurs. While the dosing protocol given above generally allows the user to stop "cold turkey," since desmolase inhibition is low, tapering down is nonetheless a good idea, and is in fact necessary if, inadvisedly, doses higher than recommended were used.
Arimidex (anastrozole) is a superior drug and should be used instead of Cytadren if it is available and the user can afford it.
Aminoglutethimide is the chemical name of active ingredient in Cytadren. Cytadren is a registered trademark of Novartis Pharmaceuticals in the United States and/or other countries.
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240, Cytodren should only be used for 7 days before the show, any longer is a waste.I know some guys stay on it for 2 weeks.It does give your muscle a dry and harder appearence.If you time it right it will get you hard as nails, but if you take to much it will make you overly tired and flatten you out.
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He was hard, those pics dont do him any justice.The lighting of those shots dont show his detail.Robert was shredded, but he was hard, his glutes had stridations.He just needs to tightes up a lil bit, which if he used Cytodren, that would have helped.We couldnt find any.Hany swears by Cytodren and calls it his secret weapon.
He also needs to bring up his inner thighs, and hamstrings.
But Like I said before he was a strong man up until late 2006, so he has been only bodybuilding 2 1/2 years.
I think with about a years worth of work, to bring up his weak body parts, add more detail to his mass, and work on his posing, he will be a great pro.He is a diamond in the rough,once he gets it all together he will give alot of pro bodybuilders some serious grief
Cytodren is pretty hard on the liver but its an anti-estrogen. It would make him drier I suppose but it would have had to have been done a little earlier than the day before the event.....prob a week.
Didn't know it was back in vogue, this is something from the early 90's.
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Cytodren is pretty hard on the liver but its an anti-estrogen. It would make him drier I suppose but it would have had to have been done a little earlier than the day before the event.....prob a week.
Didn't know it was back in vogue, this is something from the early 90's.
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if your getting your panties in a knot over a few days worth of cyto on the liver, you need to stop reading about the stuff and bsing people. ya dont know sheeit, that it obvious.
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:o
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sorry NO pleasing lines or anything,,,will be pro but no impact will do gay4pay while pro to make ends meet
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Being on Ctyodren for a week can really pull a bodybuilder together.I have seen guys go from hard to peeled on Cytodren.It helps put the final touches on your contest prep.I think Cytodren would have made Robert dryer and harder.
But right now, right now right now Robert needs a year to bring up his hamstrings, his posing, and muscle detail.
Like a sword, thew more he trains as a bodybuilder the sharper he is going to get.
If you notice over the years a good bodybuilders doesnt always get bigger, but the quality and detail of there muscle get better
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Jock, the guy will never do gay for pay....Never!!!! He is a married man, who is very smart, he speak 4 diffrent languages, and his wife is a Nurse, for a well known surgeon.She makes $$$ Robert has only been bodybuilding for 2 1//2 years, before that he did strong man competitions.Give him some time to refine and shape his body.
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You're obviously too young and stupid to know about Cytodren. This was something that bodybuilders commonly used back in the early 90's.
But its no longer actively produced so it would be hard to obtain this product.
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I like this physique ;D
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good to know smart man marryhing a nurse,,,she make good money and he can explore bbeing for carrerr something to fall back on,,,wife that is i take back gay4pay then unless he is in colset
Jock, the guy will never do gay for pay....Never!!!! He is a married man, who is very smart, he speak 4 diffrent languages, and his wife is a Nurse, for a well known surgeon.She makes $$$ Robert has only been bodybuilding for 2 1//2 years, before that he did strong man competitions.Give him some time to refine and shape his body.
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Vince your right they did use it in the 90's and it is hard to obtain.But alot of athletes still use it.I know Hany has his athletes use it.I used it my last show, and trust me I wouldnt compete in an open show without it.
I would say about 70% of all national level athletes use Cytodren.I think all of them would use it if they could get it or even knew about it
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Jock.... Robert is a really nice guy, but he has a short fuse for muscle worshipers, and freaks.We were at the USA expo and some muscle worshiper was trying to bother him and he told him ,you need to get lost in a very stern way.
He is old school European, they dont tolerate gay men hitting on them.
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How many threads are you going to make about this soft-as-yogurt gut monster? ::) His physique is innocent of shape and taper.
:P
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i wouldnt ever advise soemone to use cytadren... a combo aromasin/letro would do... cytadren ? no way.... AAS alreaady kills cortisol enough.. cytadren would make it absolutely non existant... and cortisol is not a bad thing necessarily, primarily its a fat burning hormone... shutting it off completely wouldnt be optimal
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This is a painful thread.
When I started working with Robert Burneika he knew nothing about carb cycling, or sodium loading.He would just eat clean for shows.
Ironically he probably knew "more" before he met you, in a way. I'm not really blasting you here GetItOn, it's just that these things are more likely to fuck up a bb than help him many times. IMHO of course.
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Burneika said on MD that he did all the prep by himself. he laughed when asked about john in vegas. "John likes to involve himself in everything".
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i wouldnt ever advise soemone to use cytadren... a combo aromasin/letro would do... cytadren ? no way.... AAS alreaady kills cortisol enough.. cytadren would make it absolutely non existant... and cortisol is not a bad thing necessarily, primarily its a fat burning hormone... shutting it off completely wouldnt be optimal
I don't know much about this drug, haven't seen many use it. But, I suspect it's not known why it "helps", as IIRC most use it at a dosage where it doesn't really suppress cortisol much.
I think it's out of production too, so these "gurus", aka drug dealers, are probably sitting on their saved stashes and charging a pretty penny for "diet advice". :D
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he laughed when asked about john in vegas. "John likes to involve himself in everything".
Did he say this to you or are you just repeating what you read / heard elsewhere?
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(http://lmscully1.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/suavesasso.jpg)
(http://robertburneika.net/My_Homepage_Files/IMG_0.jpg)
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Jock, the guy will never do gay for pay....Never!!!! He is a married man, who is very smart, he speak 4 diffrent languages, and his wife is a Nurse, for a well known surgeon.She makes $$$ Robert has only been bodybuilding for 2 1//2 years, before that he did strong man competitions.Give him some time to refine and shape his body.
what does he think about having you on getbiog all day giving him verbal fellatio................ it is very creepy ............and unbecoming of anybody who calls himself a man.
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Van, Robert looked better then he ever had at this show.The last national Show he did was his second show was the North Americans.That show isnt nearly as hard as the USA.In less then a year, he went from 8th at the North Americans to 3rd in the Mr USA.
Every top bodybuilder does some form of low carb diet or carb cycling.Everybodybuilder I know uses some form of low carb diet.Now depending on there metabolism low carbs can be 50 grams some and 200 for others.
If you talk to Dave Palumbo, who I talked to at the show, his exact words were.Everybody at this show, that is hard followed some form of carb restricted diet.
Van have you ever been 3.5 % bodyfat? I have, any I have a very fat metabolism.But the only way I could get my body to go that low was rotating my carbs.On my really low carb days using EFA, for energy.I would use Natural Peanut Butter, Almond Butter, Safflower oil, Flax Seed Oil or Red Meat.
Robert is a smart guy and he learns quick.I told him how I would diet, and made a version that worked for him.
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I don't know much about this drug, haven't seen many use it. But, I suspect it's not known why it "helps", as IIRC most use it at a dosage where it doesn't really suppress cortisol much.
I think it's out of production too, so these "gurus", aka drug dealers, are probably sitting on their saved stashes and charging a pretty penny for "diet advice". :D
stop being so smart ;)
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Narrow Clavicles, wide waist, stick a fork in him hes done.
go milk your moms tits.
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You're obviously too young and stupid to know about Cytodren. This was something that bodybuilders commonly used back in the early 90's.
But its no longer actively produced so it would be hard to obtain this product.
No you peice of shit gaylord I was rolling my eyes at you , posting like you know what you are talking about yet look at the state of you..fukin porch monkey
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If you talk to Dave Palumbo, who I talked to at the show, his exact words were.Everybody at this show, that is hard followed some form of carb restricted diet.
I don't disagree with that at all. Everyone who wasn't hard used a carb restricted diet too. When you eat a good amount of protein, which everyone does, you will naturally have to drop the carbs to come down in weight.
It's the voodoo sodium loading and extreme fluctuations in carb intake during depletion/loading that's likely to mess up many a bb. Then you may have to do extreme things with diuretics to fix the bloat, which aren't guaranteed to do the job either.
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If you use it like your suppose to, cytadren works wonders !!
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Jock.... Robert is a really nice guy, but he has a short fuse for muscle worshipers, and freaks.We were at the USA expo and some muscle worshiper was trying to bother him and he told him ,you need to get lost in a very stern way.
He is old school European, they dont tolerate gay men hitting on them.
Picked the wrong sport then
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He reminds me of the mean spirited principal in the movie "Back to the Future." Of course he has much better quads and arms. Thank you.
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Van, I don't agree with the use of Diuretics to fix the bloat.
When a person carb depletes they are doing this to remove the water between the skin and water.Then after that water is removed you car bloat to refill the muscles with glycogen to restore there fullness..Just like a tire, if its deflated, you use air to fill it back up.With muscle you use carbs to refill them back up
I learned from Troy Alves back , who learned from Chris Aceto, its smarter to cab load on red meat and carbs.This way the fat from the redmean, and the glycogen storage of the carb both will give you a full hard look.We are talking very low amount of redmeat, because you don't want the protein to block the carb from getting into the muscle cell.
If you were to carb load with redmean you would use maybe 100 grams of redmeat, versus 400 grams of carbs.
This way the body is getting, protein, carbs and fat to fully restore the glycogen levels.
If you use high protein to carb load you will look like shit, because protein is the most complex thing to digest so its slows the carbs from getting into the muscle.
There are some guys who are carb sensitive, that actually fat load.They use fat to fill up there muscles.I am pretty sure Dave Palumbo does that with Toney freeman, because his body looks like shit when he carb loads.
If you time everything right, you shouldn't need a diuretic......I think Diuretics are dumb, because your muscles are 60 % water, and you never know were that diuretic is going to pull water from.If it pulls water from the muscle it will flatten you out, and you wont have a vein in your body.So you will look smooth and flat.Then people will with think you didn't even diet from the show.I have seen guys go from ripped to flat from a diuretic, and they looked terrible on stage.
There was a Black guy Robert and I met who won the JR Nationals, who decided to take a diuretic, he lost 6 lbs of water and flattened out the day of the show.He had to walk off the stage because of cramping.
If you do everything right, and don't go crazy while your carb loading, and even pose while your carb loading.You shouldn't need a diuretic
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John. You aren't using the FireFox browser to post! :(
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Van, I don't agree with the use of Diuretics to fix the bloat.
When a person carb depletes they are doing this to remove the water between the skin and water.Then after that water is removed you car bloat to refill the muscles with glycogen to restore there fullness..Just like a tire, if its deflated, you use air to fill it back up.With muscle you use carbs to refill them back up
I learned from Troy Alves back , who learned from Chris Aceto, its smarter to cab load on red meat and carbs.This way the fat from the redmean, and the glycogen storage of the carb both will give you a full hard look.We are talking very low amount of redmeat, because you don't want the protein to block the carb from getting into the muscle cell.
If you were to carb load with redmean you would use maybe 100 grams of redmeat, versus 400 grams of carbs.
This way the body is getting, protein, carbs and fat to fully restore the glycogen levels.
If you use high protein to carb load you will look like shit, because protein is the most complex thing to digest so its slows the carbs from getting into the muscle.
There are some guys who are carb sensitive, that actually fat load.They use fat to fill up there muscles.I am pretty sure Dave Palumbo does that with Toney freeman, because his body looks like shit when he carb loads.
If you time everything right, you shouldn't need a diuretic......I think Diuretics are dumb, because your muscles are 60 % water, and you never know were that diuretic is going to pull water from.If it pulls water from the muscle it will flatten you out, and you wont have a vein in your body.So you will look smooth and flat.Then people will with think you didn't even diet from the show.I have seen guys go from ripped to flat from a diuretic, and they looked terrible on stage.
There was a Black guy Robert and I met who won the JR Nationals, who decided to take a diuretic, he lost 6 lbs of water and flattened out the day of the show.He had to walk off the stage because of cramping.
If you do everything right, and don't go crazy while your carb loading, and even pose while your carb loading.You shouldn't need a diuretic
I'm not saying diuretics are a great idea. But when you spill over like crazy, like Jay did at the Olympia, you need diuretics to fix the problem quickly. I don't know if Jay used Aceto for 08 but Jay lost something like 18lbs between pre-judging and finals. That's diuretics, not red meat. I'm sure Chad uses diuretics most of the time. I'd be very surprised if Hany didn't use diuretics, and not just one type either. Milos uses diuretics. From my understanding, all these guys use diuretics and they do the whole depletion/heavy carb loading thing with tons of insulin. Even Palumbo always recommends diuretics yet he barely even loads his guys. Burneika did use a diuretic too, didn't he? ;) :D
John. You aren't using the FireFox browser to post! :(
Too much work to install and configure. He's a busy man. :D
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Van Robert did not use Diuretics!! I insisted him not to use them.He has used them in the past and all they did do is flatten him out.Using diuretics is like playing Russian roulette in my opinion.Why diet hard for 12 weeks, and look fantastic, then take a diuretic only to look flat as a pancake.Perfect example is Luke Wood, he was shredded 2 weeks before the 2007 NY Pro, and the day of the show, he looked flat and small.
Some people have to use diuretics, because there body always wants to hold that little bit of water.Other guys like me, if I take a diuretic, I flatten out so bad, nothing will fill me back out.
I personally think if you do your home work, get hard, and be almost contest ready at 3 weeks out, and pose everyday, you shouldn't need a diuretic.Because when you carb load you should be posing, and circulating those carbs.If you hold a little water.Just take some Preparation H put some sweats on and get into a sauna for 10 minutes and pose.You will get heard as nails, and your skin will get so tight you Will burst.If you don't have a sauna, just turn your shower on really hot, and put a towel under your bathroom door.So steam cannot get out.Mike Metzer would put Preparation H on then lay on a hot roof, of a house.This is a real old school trick, that pulls water out of the skin like crazy.
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Why diet hard for 12 weeks, and look fantastic, then take a diuretic only to look flat as a pancake.
Sure. But the same can be said for the depletion/carb load. Why deplete and load when you're dry, full and hard as nails at 2 weeks out?
Some look better after a load but I have also seen many guys look their best just before starting the load, when they are at their most depleted. Different bodies, different best methods.
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Toney Freeman is one of those people who look terrible when he carb loads.
I have known some guys who fat load, and look peeled.
i HAVE seen alot of guys go into a show with no carb load or depelete.The only time you usually carb load or deplete is if only you are holding water between the skin and the muscle.If your not holding water in those areas, you dont need to deplete or load.Just follow your normal diet, and coast on in.
To many guys, think that carb loading and carb depleting is going to make there smooth ass body, hard and shredded, lol.
These jokers, think that the carb loading and depleting will make then get totally ripped even though they dont got a vein there body.Then when they step off stage they blame spilling over .for the reason why they look like dogshit.
They always say they were ripped before they carb loaded, even though they were smooth then aswell
I judged over 200 shows, and you should hear the excuses I heard.
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Vince Goodrum had the best excuse. His alarm clock was broke so he slept through his carb load.
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Vince Goodrum had the best excuse. His alarm clock was broke so he slept through his carb load.
LOL HARD....
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all the hard bodybuilders used carb restriction? define carb restriction. im sure theres plenty of guys up there who were diced and were consuming upwards of 2g carbs per kilogram bodyweight... they may not have been on an IV drip of a pure glucose solution every minute of the day.... if thats what you mean by carb restriction...
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slurp?
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slurp?
LOL ;D
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T-Bombs, a carb restricted diet is a diet were your body is in ketosis, or close to it.Your restricting your carb take, and using healthy fats, like EFA's for you main energy source.Dave Palumbo Had a long talk about Ketosis and low carb diets at the Mr USA. We both agreed ,that depending on how fast your metabolism is, will greatly effect how many carbs you need to go into ketosis.I personally need Ateast 125-150 grams a day, and my body will go into ketosis.Where some guys will only need 50 grams to get to ketosis.The only reason your taking a Lil bit of carb in that day is so your brain has Glucogon
this is created by the pancreas, it is what the brain uses for fuel.If you have no Glucogon ,you will be in a dizzy and confused state.When your on a carb restricted diet you want to take in just enough carbs to fuel your brain, enough fat for energy, and enough protein to preserve muscle tissue.On low carb diet its not uncommon for a person to take in 1.5-2 grams of protein per lb per day.
The only way to get the "sucked in "dry "hard look ".Unless your using insulin,But thats a diffident story.Insulin is very dangerous, stupid, and ruins physiques, in my opinion.Guys get huge on insulin, but they look puffy, and lack detail
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Robert Burneika GOT 3RD place in the superheavyweight division.I want to thank you guys for your positive words and support.I only met Robert Burneika about 5 months go through another freak, a powerlifter friend of mine Eric who owns Muscle Blvd here in town.Eric said, John you got to see this guy, he has 24" arms and he ios 300lbs.So I went and met with Eric and Robert Burneika.After meeting with Robert Burneika I wanted to immdeiatly wanted to endorse and work with him.Robert Burneika has done 2 bodybuilding shows when I met him, and now he has only done 4 shows.
After only doing 4 bodybuilding, and for him to take 3rd place at the USA, is unheard of.I personal think he could have won the show.When I started working with Robert Burneika he knew nothing about carb cycling, or sodium loading.He would just eat clean for shows.Anybody who knows anything about bodybuilding is the only way to such a guy inm is to go low carbs, and rotate them.We would rotate his carbs anywhere ffrom 50-150, then he would carb load at 400 grams sometimes once a week.Considering Robert Burneika hasnt done but 2 shows before I met him, and I have never worked with him for a show before.I have only known him 5 months.After this show I think we learned alot about his body and we did what we were set out to do get him exposure.Robert Burneika has a photo shoot with MD today, then on Monday, he has a photo shoot, with Flex, and Muscle and Fitness.
I predict Robert Burneika will be a pro bodybuilder within one year.He will make a great pro,per Dave Palumbo, and Steve Weinberger
Evan turned pro after his 4th show.........
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CT Muscle, Evan is one in a billion.There are guys like Viiny Galanti, and Grigori Atoyan Adorthus Cherry,Mike Ergas,Troy Alves, and Matt Duvall, who waited 3-10 years to get there pro card.Then you got the greats like Edgar Fletcher, Dave Palumbo, Eric Fromm,Manny Torres,and Gerrard Dente who all looked amazing but never turned pro.Its a combintaion on genetics, politics, and how much abuse your body can take.Some make it ,some dont.
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you got the greats like Dave Palumbo,
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beat me to it.
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At the end of his career Dave Palumbo didn't have the prettiest physique, but he was the most conditioned guy, and hardest guy on that stage.Palumbo just went a little overboard with the size, otherwise he would have been a pro.
I know you guys are going to rag on me, but Dave Palumbo would get so shredded he made all the other competitors look smooth.I competed against Dave, trust, me he was fu$#@ shredded, to the bone.
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Say what you want about Dave Palumbo, but the guy knows his sh$#.He isnt like Chad, of Hany, 2 so called gurus, that have never stepped foot on a bodybuilding stage.Dave knows what its like to suffer.Trsut me when your bodyfat is 3.5 % your suffering.The only thing keeping you going is ephdra, caffiene, or adrenaline.Because you have no energy, none!!!!.Dave knows what a person has to do, the way they feel, because he has been there.If you brought Chad or Hanys bodyfat down to 3.5% they wouldnt be able to handle it.They would either cheat, or kill themselves.
When your bodyfat is really low, you feel weak like you do when you have a bad flu virus.Your tired, your weak, and you feel like si$#.
The worse you feel though, the better you look trust me on this one.
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Say what you want about Dave Palumbo, but the guy knows his sh$#.He isnt like Chad, of Hany, 2 so called gurus, that have never stepped foot on a bodybuilding stage.Dave knows what its like to suffer.Trsut me when your bodyfat is 3.5 % your suffering.The only thing keeping you going is ephdra, caffiene, or adrenaline.Because you have no energy, none!!!!.Dave knows what a person has to do, the way they feel, because he has been there.If you brought Chad or Hanys bodyfat down to 3.5% they wouldnt be able to handle it.They would either cheat, or kill themselves.
When your bodyfat is really low, you feel weak like you do when you have a bad flu virus.Your tired, your weak, and you feel like si$#.
The worse you feel though, the better you look trust me on this one.
I thought Chad and Hany completed before. I know Chris Aceto and Charles Glass did. If not, then that's pretty shocking
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I heard Hany, did, but he looked like shit, so that doesnt count.Chad's wife3 is Kim who was Mrs Olympia, but I dont think he competed
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.Trust me when your bodyfat is 3.5 % your suffering.The only thing keeping you going is ephdra, caffiene, or adrenaline.Because you have no energy, none!!!!......
When your bodyfat is really low, you feel weak like you do when you have a bad flu virus.Your tired, your weak, and you feel like si$#.
The worse you feel though, the better you look trust me on this one.
One of the most factual and honest posts i have ever read here..........(spoken by someone who has obviously "been there!")
good stuff!
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i used to keep my ephedra next to my bed, when dieting i would wake take two tabs without moving wait for them to kick in and then get up and get my ass in the gym before they wore off, i dont miss those days besides training i got nothing else accomplished. Not the type of thing you can do when you have buisness family etc, bodybuilding is a cruel hard sport, to do it properly there can be nothing else in your life.
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I was at this show and got a chance to meet GetItOnNy in person. Nice guy. Jakked. Could easily get on stage himself. Proprietor of Extreme Labs.
Robert was probably the most impressive guy on stage. He didn't have the brand name going into the show like an Alvisi did or a Gee did but he will now going into the next show.
Hams and a little sharper conditioning and he will be a decent pro.
Hahaha...funniest part of the weekend. Being stuck at the airport in Vegas while striking up a conversation with Gee's 'sponsor'. Hahaha... he openly called himself his 'boss' and spoke openly about covering each and every expense from contest fees, travel fees down to his pro tan and groceries.
Dude was a gay as Blechmans hairstylist.
- Block!
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Dave knows what its like to suffer.Trsut me when your bodyfat is 3.5 % your suffering.The only thing keeping you going is ephdra, caffiene, or adrenaline.Because you have no energy, none!!!!.Dave knows what a person has to do, the way they feel, because he has been there.If you brought Chad or Hanys bodyfat down to 3.5% they wouldnt be able to handle it.They would either cheat, or kill themselves.
When your bodyfat is really low, you feel weak like you do when you have a bad flu virus.Your tired, your weak, and you feel like si$#.
The worse you feel though, the better you look trust me on this one.
Dude, Palumbo said many times he ate at McDonalds EVERY single day when prepping for shows, or he would wither away. Nasser said Palumbo used 15 Cytomel a day! - maybe that has something to do with it? ;) As far as Ephedra and Caffeine keeping you going, Palumbo says he doesn't use those, afraid of the cortisol. Probably used something a bit stronger, if you know what I mean. On his board there's a whole section of different boards on how to deal with narcotic addiction. Narcotics Anonymous, Addiction doc answering questions, etc. This is not a blast on Dave just something to think about. If it true he was shooting 'bain every 15 minutes maybe that helps curb food craving and eases suffering - not to mention he "cheated" every day anyway. :D
Also, he is supposedly basically competition ready right now, like he always is according to 'everyone', then he must be suffering 24/7/365. Coming out of jail he was competition lean.
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I was at this show and got a chance to meet GetItOnNy in person. Nice guy. Jakked. Could easily get on stage himself.
Please answer honestly, did he look like he hasn't touched a single tab or injection of anabolic steroids or GH for many many years like he claims?
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Chad's wife3 is Kim who was Mrs Olympia, but I dont think he competed
Chad said he has competed but refused to show pics, even Tom Prince was begging to see the pics.
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I'm being straight up...
He looked like a guy who if he walked in a room you would automatically assume or know that he hits the weights more seriously than the average weekend warrior or Monday night chest-club guido.
He showed me pics of his competition days and he was easily an upper national level contender. In the upper 230's probably, jakked and ripped to the bone. -Competition days.
Now he's probably around 210 or so. The general public would think he's a steroid monster. We (getbig) wouldn't be impressed but then again we are barely impressed with Zack Khan.
- Block!
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I'm being straight up...
He looked like a guy who if he walked in a room you would automatically assume or know that he hits the weights more seriously than the average weekend warrior or Monday night chest-club guido.
He showed me pics of his competition days and he was easily an upper national level contender. In the upper 230's probably, jakked and ripped to the bone. -Competition days.
Now he's probably around 210 or so. The general public would think he's a steroid monster. We (getbig) wouldn't be impressed but then again we are barely impressed with Zack Khan.
- Block!
So he did look like a 'totally cleaned out for many years, former advanced competitive bb'. OK, haven't seen him myself. But I'm pretty sure he says he's like 230-240 now, after getting a couple of HCG shots from his doc.
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So he did look like a 'totally cleaned out for many years, former advanced competitive bb'. OK, haven't seen him myself. But I'm pretty sure he says he's like 230-240 now, after getting a couple of HCG shots from his doc.
yeah that's what he claimed
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I was at this show and got a chance to meet GetItOnNy in person. Nice guy. Jakked. Could easily get on stage himself. Proprietor of Extreme Labs.
Robert was probably the most impressive guy on stage. He didn't have the brand name going into the show like an Alvisi did or a Gee did but he will now going into the next show.
Hams and a little sharper conditioning and he will be a decent pro.
Hahaha...funniest part of the weekend. Being stuck at the airport in Vegas while striking up a conversation with Gee's 'sponsor'. Hahaha... he openly called himself his 'boss' and spoke openly about covering each and every expense from contest fees, travel fees down to his pro tan and groceries.
Dude was a gay as Blechmans hairstylist.
- Block!
LOL! im sure he was one of many at the show. Im guessing about 75% of the guys competing has one of these "sponsors"...
Sad thing is, what does Gee have to do for these "advices from his BOSS!"
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Its was goin meeting Block and Wiggs. When I met Block and Wiggs I weighed 248-252lbs., in that rande I dont weight myself everyday.I was covered up and next ot Troy Alves,Quincy Taylor and Robert Burenika I could see how I look on 210 lbs.
Van I weighed 240 lbs until I used HCG and my weight went to 253lbs.
Block The Pic I showed you when I competed I weighed 258lbs,that was the official weight by John Lindsays Medical scale.Right now I am right around 248 lbs plus, of you guys dont beleive me I could have wiggs meet me at the GYM and have him photograph me standing on a scale.I will do this next week, this week I oaught a soar throat, and I am on Antibiotics, The Z =Pac.But next week when I can eat again my weight will be right back up to 248-252 lbs.I think I losr 4-6 lbs being sick.My stomach has been jacked and my throat hurt like hell.It sucked.I think I caught it at ther Mr USA, finals from this girl who was coughing, she was the wives of one of the competitors.When I woke up Sunday, I felt like a city bus hit me.I was throwing up, sweating, and my throat hurt.I am getting better slowly.
Anyways is was cool meeting Wiggs and Blockhead I really never really met anygbody from getbig, except for Croatch, the rest of you jokers are in hiding, lol.They were both cool guys, and funny.We agreed you cant take anybody on getbig seriously, lol
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Right now I am right around 248 lbs plus, of you guys dont beleive me I could havew wiggs meet me at the GYM and have him photograph me standing on a scale.
No need. We aren't comparing a recent pic with a claimed weight that doesn't sound right. So you weigh around 250, fine.
Imagine if you went on a pro level stack, with tons of test, insulin and GH... you should hit 300+ in a matter of weeks. Give it 6-12 months and 330 shouldn't be out of the question. :D Even with what you call a bad structure a pro card isn't an impossibility if you are a natural 250 in fairly good condition.
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Hahaha...funniest part of the weekend. Being stuck at the airport in Vegas while striking up a conversation with Gee's 'sponsor'. Hahaha... he openly called himself his 'boss' and spoke openly about covering each and every expense from contest fees, travel fees down to his pro tan and groceries.
Dude was a gay as Blechmans hairstylist.
- Block!
Tell us more. That must have been an awkward conversation to initiate. :P
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Van, I got up to 250 totally drug free after 13-15 years of hard training.I have very large bones 8 1/2" wrist, and a huge rib cage.I just used Sustanon 250 ,Primo and Tren and got to 290lbs.If I was to use a ton of GH and Insulin I could have gotten up to 330.But the problem was my waste would have grown aswell.I was on GH for 5 weeks, and in the 5 weeks my waist was starting to look thick only on 4iu's.So I stopped.If I was to use a ton of GH I would have looked exactly like Art Atwood.
He was huge. But its not the physique I was hoping to obtain.My problem was even at 258lbs I still wasn't big enough because of my large bone structure.I need to be 270-280 on stage, to keep up with the other guys on stage.Large bones add 20-30 lbs to a person body.So that means you have to be 20-30 lbs heavier then everbody else.Even Troy Alves, said, you got those big ass bones, so you are going to look thick but you are going to be blocky.It is what it is.0
The bottom line is yes if I would have use a GH and Insulin I could have been 310-330 lbs, the problem was I didn't want to carry that much weight around.Even 290lbs I felt heavy, I mean really heavy.I don't know how these guys do it.I had a hard time breathing, walking up stairs and even tying my shoes.I guess, I don't have what its take to become a pro bodybuilder
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Its was goin meeting Block and Wiggs. When I met Block and Wiggs I weighed 248-252lbs., in that rande I dont weight myself everyday.I was covered up and next ot Troy Alves,Quincy Taylor and Robert Burenika I could see how I look on 210 lbs.
Van I weighed 240 lbs until I used HCG and my weight went to 253lbs.
Block The Pic I showed you when I competed I weighed 258lbs,that was the official weight by John Lindsays Medical scale.Right now I am right around 248 lbs plus, of you guys dont beleive me I could have wiggs meet me at the GYM and have him photograph me standing on a scale.I will do this next week, this week I oaught a soar throat, and I am on Antibiotics, The Z =Pac.But next week when I can eat again my weight will be right back up to 248-252 lbs.I think I losr 4-6 lbs being sick.My stomach has been jacked and my throat hurt like hell.It sucked.I think I caught it at ther Mr USA, finals from this girl who was coughing, she was the wives of one of the competitors.When I woke up Sunday, I felt like a city bus hit me.I was throwing up, sweating, and my throat hurt.I am getting better slowly.
Anyways is was cool meeting Wiggs and Blockhead I really never really met anygbody from getbig, except for Croatch, the rest of you jokers are in hiding, lol.They were both cool guys, and funny.We agreed you cant take anybody on getbig seriously, lol
You've met me numerous times.
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Van, I got up to 250 totally drug free after 13-15 years of hard training.I have very large bones 8 1/2" wrist, and a huge rib cage.I just used Sustanon 250 ,Primo and Tren and got to 290lbs.If I was to use a ton of GH and Insulin I could have gotten up to 330.But the problem was my waste would have grown aswell.I was on GH for 5 weeks, and in the 5 weeks my waist was starting to look thick only on 4iu's.So I stopped.If I was to use a ton of GH I would have looked exactly like Art Atwood.
He was huge. But its not the physique I was hoping to obtain.My problem was even at 258lbs I still wasn't big enough because of my large bone structure.I need to be 270-280 on stage, to keep up with the other guys on stage.Large bones add 20-30 lbs to a person body.So that means you have to be 20-30 lbs heavier then everbody else.Even Troy Alves, said, you got those big ass bones, so you are going to look thick but you are going to be blocky.It is what it is.0
The bottom line is yes if I would have use a GH and Insulin I could have been 310-330 lbs, the problem was I didn't want to carry that much weight around.Even 290lbs I felt heavy, I mean really heavy.I don't know how these guys do it.I had a hard time breathing, walking up stairs and even tying my shoes.I guess, I don't have what its take to become a pro bodybuilder
AS ALWAYS SPOT ON...
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JBreezy, when did I meet you ? NJ Flex thank you again for always having my back
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Van, I got up to 250 totally drug free after 13-15 years of hard training.I have very large bones 8 1/2" wrist, and a huge rib cage.I just used Sustanon 250 ,Primo and Tren and got to 290lbs.If I was to use a ton of GH and Insulin I could have gotten up to 330.But the problem was my waste would have grown aswell.I was on GH for 5 weeks, and in the 5 weeks my waist was starting to look thick only on 4iu's.So I stopped.If I was to use a ton of GH I would have looked exactly like Art Atwood.
He was huge. But its not the physique I was hoping to obtain.My problem was even at 258lbs I still wasn't big enough because of my large bone structure.I need to be 270-280 on stage, to keep up with the other guys on stage.Large bones add 20-30 lbs to a person body.So that means you have to be 20-30 lbs heavier then everbody else.Even Troy Alves, said, you got those big ass bones, so you are going to look thick but you are going to be blocky.It is what it is.0
The bottom line is yes if I would have use a GH and Insulin I could have been 310-330 lbs, the problem was I didn't want to carry that much weight around.Even 290lbs I felt heavy, I mean really heavy.I don't know how these guys do it.I had a hard time breathing, walking up stairs and even tying my shoes.I guess, I don't have what its take to become a pro bodybuilder
Nope, bone structurs only differ at Most 6 pounds.
yes ive read about this type of stuff,, And im sure Tatyana can confirm it
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Nope, bone structurs only differ at Most 6 pounds.
yes ive read about this type of stuff,, And im sure Tatyana can confirm it
i don't think he means the bones weigh 20 lbs more. i think he means you have to be 20-30 pounds more muscle to look as good as someone your height with small bones.
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You hit the nail right on the head Hazbin.I couldnt have said it better myself
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You hit the nail right on the head Hazbin.I couldnt have said it better myself
you ever notice you meet some of the top pros in a track suit and they look average? then they pose later that day and you can't fathom where all that muscle was hidden.
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Your right Hazbin.How about the small boned Black guys who way, like 198lbs.The peel off and step on stage nad the look 240lbs.But in clothes, they look like nothing special.I had a friend of mine named Eddie Wide, beleive it or not.He was all natural, he weight 198lbs, but he had the most round muscle belly's and the his muscles were so dense and stridated.
When you would see him you would think, he works out a bit.But when he stepped on stage it was like OMG.
As a matter of fact he beat John Hansen for the Mr Universe title in 1996. John Hansen was 2" shorter and outweighed Eddie by 15lbs, but Eddie looked bigger, and killed John Hansen on stage.He made John loook smooth and blocky.
Hazbin its the guys who are covered up and dont look impressive is the ones you got to look out for,lol
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large bones would only add 5 or 6 pounds of body weight.
however, a wider frame would allow a person to hold more weight.
Toney freeman's skeleton probably only weighs 5 pounds more than Lee Priest's, but he can stand onstage 100 pounds heavier.
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No, a big boned man with a large, rib cage, will need up to 20-30 of muscle to look as big a small boned man with a smaller waiste.Trust I know this.When I weighed 210lbs I look like I weigh about 190lbs.
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Your right Hazbin.How about the small boned Black guys who way, like 198lbs.The peel off and step on stage nad the look 240lbs.But in clothes, they look like nothing special.I had a friend of mine named Eddie Wide, beleive it or not.He was all natural, he weight 198lbs, but he had the most round muscle belly's and the his muscles were so dense and stridated.
When you would see him you would think, he works out a bit.But when he stepped on stage it was like OMG.
As a matter of fact he beat John Hansen for the Mr Universe title in 1996. John Hansen was 2" shorter and outweighed Eddie by 15lbs, but Eddie looked bigger, and killed John Hansen on stage.He made John loook smooth and blocky.
Hazbin its the guys who are covered up and dont look impressive is the ones you got to look out for,lol
here's Robbi and Vince the year each of them won the masters 'O'
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Hazbin isnt it funny how in those sweats, Robby Robinson dont look like much, but when he peels off.....BAM!!!!. In those sweats he looks like he weighs about 175lbs.But onstage he looks like he weighs 230lbs
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JBreezy, when did I meet you ? NJ Flex thank you again for always having my back
I worked out at eastern and serene with you. You gave me a kilo of glutamine when I was getting ready for my first show. I was Gustavo's training partner.
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I worked out at eastern and serene with you. You gave me a kilo of glutamine when I was getting ready for my first show. I was Gustavo's training partner.
glutamine - you swear by it? worth the cost?
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No, a big boned man with a large, rib cage, will need up to 20-30 of muscle to look as big a small boned man with a smaller waiste.Trust I know this.When I weighed 210lbs I look like I weigh about 190lbs.
yeah that's my problem
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If I was to use a ton of GH I would have looked exactly like Art Atwood.
He was huge. But its not the physique I was hoping to obtain.
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I guess, I don't have what its take to become a pro bodybuilder
But Atwood turned pro and even won one pro show.
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i don't think he means the bones weigh 20 lbs more. i think he means you have to be 20-30 pounds more muscle to look as good as someone your height with small bones.
damn your outsizing both matarazzo and yates there
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damn your outsizing both matarazzo and yates there
close huh? but i always looked like shit on stage.
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close huh? but i always looked like shit on stage.
that's a bit harsh, you looked quite good on stage
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that's a bit harsh, you looked quite good on stage
thanx Stav!
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i don't think he means the bones weigh 20 lbs more. i think he means you have to be 20-30 pounds more muscle to look as good as someone your height with small bones.
damn man you had pro size, seriously...
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Van you are right, he did turn pro and one pro show.But like I said before I needed more size to turn pro.When I weighed 290lbs off season I was only about 10 % bodyfat, because I have a very fast metabolism.At that weight I felt like shit, I couldn't tie my shoes, I couldn't walk up step, without getting winded, and my heart would pound of of my chest even when I slept.
Plus sitting and sleeping it was hard to get comfortable, and you sweat like a bastard.I don't know how these pro bodybuilders do it.I know my body could hold more weight, but even at 290 lbs I was very uncomfortable.
I know if I would have hoped on GH and Insulin I could have probably got up to at least 315-325 lbs.
When I was competing I was dating a girl in Colorado, and I befriended Eric Fromm who at the time was competing as well.Eric was constantly trying to get me to use GH and Insulin.He would say, your a freak now, why not become a monster.He even offered to show me how to time my insulin and get me kits.This back when Eric Fromm weighed 315 lbs, and he wasn't very big boned.Eric Fromm may he rest in peace was a very big guy.Man did he pull woman, girls loved Eric.
Eric was a nice guy and would have made a great pro if he didn't have so many bad habits.
Alot of people dont know this but Eric was a very good artist, he could draw almost anything.He called himself the Viking, and he would draw these awesome pictures of muscular vikings, and midevil pictures.
So Van your right, Art Atwood did win one pro show, the Canadian pro, but after that it was down Hill from there.
Nobody wants to look at a thick blocky, big wasted bodybuilder like myself.Art was one of the biggest and hardest pro bodybuilders to ever hit the stage, but him symmetry wasn't the best.Thats why he only won one pro show.
If ART had a smaller bone structure he be one of the best pro bodybuilders ever, he was huge and hard, but he had big bones.
Now Hazbin, you look great!!! You have great size and great shape, kudos to you my man for building such a great physique.
When I look at a physique like yours, it reminds me of how bodybuilding used to be, before these big bloated freaks came along.
Your huge but you still look human.You have the kind of physique that a tenage kid would pic up a magazine, and say, I want to look like him.Now tenages pic up magazines and say, man I don't want to look like Jay or Branch, in my opinion.
Good job Hazbin
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Van you are right, he did turn pro and one pro show.But like I said before I needed more size to turn pro.When I weighed 290lbs off season I was only about 10 % bodyfat, because I have a very fast metabolism.At that weight I felt like shit, I couldn't tie my shoes, I couldn't walk up step, without getting winded, and my heart would pound of of my chest even when I slept.
Plus sitting and sleeping it was hard to get comfortable, and you sweat like a bastard.I don't know how these pro bodybuilders do it.I know my body could hold more weight, but even at 290 lbs I was very uncomfortable.
I know if I would have hoped on GH and Insulin I could have probably got up to at least 315-325 lbs.
When I was competing I was dating a girl in Colorado, and I befriended Eric Fromm who at the time was competing as well.Eric was constantly trying to get me to use GH and Insulin.He would say, your a freak now, why not become a monster.He even offered to show me how to time my insulin and get me kits.This back when Eric Fromm weighed 315 lbs, and he wasn't very big boned.Eric Fromm may he rest in peace was a very big guy.Man did he pull woman, girls loved Eric.
Eric was a nice guy and would have made a great pro if he didn't have so many bad habits.
Alot of people dont know this but Eric was a very good artist, he could draw almost anything.He called himself the Viking, and he would draw these awesome pictures of muscular vikings, and midevil pictures.
So Van your right, Art Atwood did win one pro show, the Canadian pro, but after that it was down Hill from there.
Nobody wants to look at a thick blocky, big wasted bodybuilder like myself.Art was one of the biggest and hardest pro bodybuilders to ever hit the stage, but him symmetry wasn't the best.Thats why he only won one pro show.
If ART had a smaller bone structure he be one of the best pro bodybuilders ever, he was huge and hard, but he had big bones.
Now Hazbin, you look great!!! You have great size and great shape, kudos to you my man for building such a great physique.
When I look at a physique like yours, it reminds me of how bodybuilding used to be, before these big bloated freaks came along.
Your huge but you still look human.You have the kind of physique that a tenage kid would pic up a magazine, and say, I want to look like him.Now tenages pic up magazines and say, man I don't want to look like Jay or Branch, in my opinion.
Good job Hazbin
thanx man, i never looked right on stage. i could be 240 ripped and end up 215 on stage.
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Hazbin I don't know whats wrong with your eyes, but you look great to me.As far as dropping so much weight, maybe you were getting enough protein in on your precontest diet.Alot of guys cut there carbs but dint keep there protein high enough.When you cut carbs, the protein has to be at least 1.75-2 grams of protein per body lb per day.Because if you dint you wind up be catabolic, and calorie deficient.So if you weighed 240lbs you would be taking in 480 grams of protein , which is still under 2000 calories, then off course depending on your metabolism 50-200 grams of carbs, then fat for your energy.I usually cycle my carbs, for instance I go, 100, 150,175, 150 125 ,100, then load up 400 grams, then I go back down.By staggering the carbs the body it keeps the metabolism going.So your depleting glycogen then reloading glycogen.On your low carb days your using good fats like Safflower oil, which is CLA, flax seed, Natural Peanut butter, Almond butter, red meat.If you have a fast metabolism you need more fat, because clean fats burn very very fast unlike, carbs, which store as glycogen.Believe it or not, when your on lower carb diet you have sometimes more energy, and you don't have the sugar crashes you get from eating alot of carbs.
Fellas, if your dieting read this post, you can learn alot from it.This is how you get hard, but still keep your size.
Hazbin you look amazing, your physique is awesome.I wish I had you round muscles and symmetry
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LOTS OF GOOD ADVICE IN THIS THREAD,ESP EATING TO BULK/CUT,AND YES EVEN REC LIFTERS COULD GAIN SOME GOOD INSIGHT HERE TO BUILD OR MAINTAIN THROUGH EATING RIGHT AND CONSISTENT.MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE .THE DRUG PART UNFORTUNATLEY IS A BIG ISSUE AND WILL BE CAUSE IT IS IMPORTANT IN BUILDING AND CONDITIONING AN AMATUER AND PRO PHYSIQUE.
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NJ Flex wether your natural or use anabolics carb cycling works.The only difference between a natural lifter and a guys who uses steroids is recovery time.a natural bodybuilder can diet the same, he just cant train as much or do as much cardio without loosing muscle.Its very easy for a natural bodybuilder to over train.Thats why most natural bodybuilders look stringy when they compete.They simply overtrain, or do to much cardio.A natural bodybuilder cannot train a muscle more then once a week.Plus when a natural bodybuilder trains, he shouldn't do more then lets say 6-8 sets for tri's or Bi's, and 10-12sets for chest or back.
When your on low carbs, and natural if you have a decent metabolism at most you should do more then 30 minutes of cardio in the morning and 30 minutes of cardio at night.Otherwise your cortisol levels go through the roof .
A inside trick is for natural is to measure your body temperature.Alot of people don't know this but if your dieting and your body temperature drops below 97 degrees, your overtraining and your not going to burn fat.I have over dieted to the point were my body temperature dropped to 96.6 degrees.So I up my calories and decreased my cardio.You cant check your body temperature with a ear thermometer.When your dieting you want to keep your body temperature as close to 98.6 degrees as possible to keep the body in homeostasis.Another things natural bodybuilders should do is use a little salt on there meals while dieting, up until the week of the show.Salt is very anabolic, and the iodine in the salt helps keep your thyroid in check.When I used sodium when dieting I maintained my strength more of my strength for longer periods of time.The only draw back to using sodium with all your meals is you have to drink alot of water to flush out the sodium.We are talking 2 gallons of water per day.Sodium loading works really well if you use it correctly
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NJ Flex wether your natural or use anabolics carb cycling works.The only difference between a natural lifter and a guys who uses steroids is recovery time.a natural bodybuilder can diet the same, he just cant train as much or do as much cardio without loosing muscle.Its very easy for a natural bodybuilder to over train.Thats why most natural bodybuilders look stringy when they compete.They simply overtrain, or do to much cardio.A natural bodybuilder cannot train a muscle more then once a week.Plus when a natural bodybuilder trains, he shouldn't do more then lets say 6-8 sets for tri's or Bi's, and 10-12sets for chest or back.
When your on low carbs, and natural if you have a decent metabolism at most you should do more then 30 minutes of cardio in the morning and 30 minutes of cardio at night.Otherwise your cortisol levels go through the roof .
A inside trick is for natural is to measure your body temperature.Alot of people don't know this but if your dieting and your body temperature drops below 97 degrees, your overtraining and your not going to burn fat.I have over dieted to the point were my body temperature dropped to 96.6 degrees.So I up my calories and decreased my cardio.You cant check your body temperature with a ear thermometer.When your dieting you want to keep your body temperature as close to 98.6 degrees as possible to keep the body in homeostasis.Another things natural bodybuilders should do is use a little salt on there meals while dieting, up until the week of the show.Salt is very anabolic, and the iodine in the salt helps keep your thyroid in check.When I used sodium when dieting I maintained my strength more of my strength for longer periods of time.The only draw back to using sodium with all your meals is you have to drink alot of water to flush out the sodium.We are talking 2 gallons of water per day.Sodium loading works really well if you use it correctly
is his nickname 'The Verdict'
like 'the gift' Heath?
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Robert Knickname is the ,Lithuanian Giant.
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Robert Knickname is the ,Lithuanian Giant.
Actually, I think 'the verdict' is pretty good.
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glutamine - you swear by it? worth the cost?
I was told by my training partner to take it for recovery and GetItOnNy gave me some in preparation for my first show.
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Seems many people in the past several years have said that Glutamine has no effect on body composition, but GetItOnNy seems to think that it is a miracle supplement.
Not hating at all John, as I know you have good knowledge and experience, just find it odd that you seem to put so much emphasis on Glutamine, even telling someone in the Johnny Falcon thread that it will cut sugar cravings.
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Well if you look at studies show that 60% of the amino acids found in skeletal muscle tissue is made up of L-Glutamine.So when a muscle is broken how do replenish it? With butter? no lol. L-Glutamine.
I don't sell L-Glutamine but my protein contains alot of L-Glutamine, because L-Glutamine helps repair muscle tissue.
As far as giving Johnny Falcon Advice on L-Glutamine I saved him alot of money because alot of rehab places, have there alcoholic patients take L-Glutamine when they get out.
L-Glutamine has alot of uses, and its relatively inexpensive isn't it? What would you rather buy NO Vapor for $75 or a Kilo of L-glutamine for $30??? The sad truth is the Kilo over L-Glutamine will do a hell of alot more then the bottle of NO Vapor will do for less then half the money.
I don't make any money by telling people to take L-Glutamine, because I don't sell just L-Glutamine.
So my intensions are to sincere
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What should you notice taking L-Glutamine? I know it's supposed to aid in muscle recovery, but as far as it aiding in sugar cravings, where does this come from? Of all supplements on the market, you feel that L-Glutamine should be included in a repetoire, above numerous other things?
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Glutamine does this by several mechanisms. When the blood sugar is low, Glutamine suppresses insulin to stop the further decline of the sugar levels. It also stimulates glycogen (a stored form of glucose) to be released to help increase the blood sugar to normal levels.
Any athleter I mean Any athlete can benefit from L-Glutamine.It is the most underated supplement ever created.
Now to answer your quesion about how its stop the sugar cravings.....
Further, Glutamine is a glycogenic amino acid which means it can convert to sugar for energy production, a process called gluconeogenesis. It is the most important such substance.
These blood sugar stabilizing effects may partially explain why it decreases alcohol cravings, as well as sugar cravings. In studies with alcoholics, 2000-3000 mg 3 times daily decreased the desire to drink, decreased anxiety, & improved sleep. It works best given between meals. Has been used for this purpose in daily doses from 6000-15,000 mg in 3 divided doses. Use upon arising, mid-morning & mid-afternoon between meals.
Additionally, Glutamine supports pancreatic growth & function, increases the production of pancreatic enzymes, increases pancreatic weight, DNA, & protein content. This would also stabilize blood sugar & indirectly improve overall nutritional status..
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I know you have been critical of which companies buy Whey Protein from, is this the same for Glutamine? Which company would you suggest someone buy L-Glutamine from?
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Well if you look at studies show that 60% of the amino acids found in skeletal muscle tissue is made up of L-Glutamine.So when a muscle is broken how do replenish it? With butter? no lol. L-Glutamine.
Here's the thing: most supplemental glutamine is used up by the gut. It's good for gut health and perhaps immunity. How do you increase plasma glutamine levels? Use BCAAs! BCAAs elevate plasma glutamine way better than glutamine itself. Plus leucine is the anabolic trigger.
If you're going to buy singular aminos buy BCAAs. Taurine may be beneficial as well.
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Actually van I found a good ratio to take after training and before bed is 10 grams of L-Glutamine, and 5 grams and BCAA's.
I personally take 40 50 grams of L-Glutamine per days, and 20 grams of BCAA's per day.
As far as L-Glutamine goes fermented is the best.
The places to buy L-Glutamine that I trust is trueprotein.com or Bulknutrition.com.
You can also trust companies like AST Research, the owner Paul Delia is a good guy, or Beverly International.
When you take L-glutamine you have less muscle soreness, better recovery.Some people say it makes there muscle look and feel fuller.L-Glutamine doesn't isn't anything fancy, but it does work I don't care what anybody says.
If you take it with BCAA's Its like adding a turbo charger to an already fast motor.It will be alot more effective
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Actually van I found a good ratio to take after training and before bed is 10 grams of L-Glutamine, and 5 grams and BCAA's.
I personally take 40 50 grams of L-Glutamine per days, and 20 grams of BCAA's per day.
As far as L-Glutamine goes fermented is the best.
The places to buy L-Glutamine that I trust is trueprotein.com or Bulknutrition.com.
You can also trust companies like AST Research, the owner Paul Delia is a good guy, or Beverly International.
When you take L-glutamine you have less muscle soreness, better recovery.Some people say it makes there muscle look and feel fuller.L-Glutamine doesn't isn't anything fancy, but it does work I don't care what anybody says.
If you take it with BCAA's Its like adding a turbo charger to an already fast motor.It will be alot more effective
If it "works" it's not because it increases glutamine in plasma to a great extent, so the sales pitch of it being good since muscle contain such a large percentage of glutamine is not very accurate - it's not the best way to increase plasma glutamine because it doesn't end up there. That's why it's given intravenously in hospital settings. I believe they use the n-acetyl-l-glutamine form too. It's used by the gut and if you have stomach issues it may be a good supplement to try.
Personally I never noticed anything from it and I tried up to 100 grams a day.
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Van I don't want to rag on you but looking like this you really have no room to talk.I myself have proved myself on stage,and with the athletes I have worked with.I sponsored and endorsed Troy ALves for many years, and even his first year as a pro.I have worked with of course Robert Bunekia , Frank Mir ,Wanaderlie Silva,Strong man Mark Philipi,Mr USA Middle Weight Greg Peoples, Art Atwood,Professional Fighter The Black Cobra Dewey Cooper, Mr Natural Universe Eddie Wide,Mr Natural Universe Gerry Hughes, top national light heavyweight Manny Torres.I even helped out Bob Chic when he was getting ready for the Masters.This only just a few of the people I am allowed to mention.The others are under contract, and If I was to mention there names, they would be dropped from there contract.A few of them are well Known Muscletech Athletes, a lil hint
Van what is your backround? Show us pics of you competing.If this is what you look like I think you might want to not talk so much and you might want to listen a little.You cant think what you already know
Does this man look like a body you would want to obtain????????????
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Van I don't want to rag on you but looking like this you really have no room to talk.I myself have proved myself on stage,and with the athletes I have worked with.I sponsored and endorsed Troy ALves for many years, and even his first year as a pro.I have worked with of course Robert Bunekia , Frank Mir ,Wanaderlie Silva,Strong man Mark Philipi,Mr USA Middle Weight Greg Peoples, Art Atwood,Professional Fighter The Black Cobra Dewey Cooper, Mr Natural Universe Eddie Wide,Mr Natural Universe Gerry Hughes, top national light heavyweight Manny Torres.I even helped out Bob Chic when he was getting ready for the Masters.This only just a few of the people I am allowed to mention.The others are under contract, and If I was to mention there names, they would be dropped from there contract.A few of them are well Known Muscletech Athletes, a lil hint
Van what is your backround? Show us pics of you competing.If this is what you look like I think you might want to not talk so much and you might want to listen a little.You cant think what you already know
Does this man look like a body you would want to obtain????????????
I'd say that this was a pretty unncessary attack GetItOnNY...Van said nothing to attack you, and was quite civil in his response. He is entitled to his own opinion, thus he gave it, saying that he didn't think Glutamine had any positive effects on his performance or body composition. I respect and thank you for your opinion, but the attack on Van was unnecessary.
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Van I don't want to rag on you but looking like this you really have no room to talk.I myself have proved myself on stage,and with the athletes I have worked with.I sponsored and endorsed Troy ALves for many years, and even his first year as a pro.I have worked with of course Robert Bunekia , Frank Mir ,Wanaderlie Silva,Strong man Mark Philipi,Mr USA Middle Weight Greg Peoples, Art Atwood,Professional Fighter The Black Cobra Dewey Cooper, Mr Natural Universe Eddie Wide,Mr Natural Universe Gerry Hughes, top national light heavyweight Manny Torres.I even helped out Bob Chic when he was getting ready for the Masters.This only just a few of the people I am allowed to mention.The others are under contract, and If I was to mention there names, they would be dropped from there contract.A few of them are well Known Muscletech Athletes, a lil hint
Van what is your backround? Show us pics of you competing.If this is what you look like I think you might want to not talk so much and you might want to listen a little.You cant think what you already know
Does this man look like a body you would want to obtain????????????
I was only commenting on if and how glutamine would/could work. What does it matter what I look like? Ask anyone who knows about the science of aminos; ask them if what I said is incorrect.
For a guy who actually works in the supplement industry your knowledge base is pathetic. You are not an expert in your own field. You realize I know more than you about your own field, which is the reason for the ad-hominems. You can't debate me on the facts.
Please do the testing on your competitors products and you'll find yet another case where I was right.
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I'd say that this was a pretty unncessary attack GetItOnNY...Van said nothing to attack you, and was quite civil in his response. He is entitled to his own opinion, thus he gave it, saying that he didn't think Glutamine had any positive effects on his performance or body composition. I respect and thank you for your opinion, but the attack on Van was unnecessary.
Cant blame NY...Probably annoying to hear people yap yap but it doesnt reflect in their own physique. What NY believes in himself, it manifests itself. He walks the talk basically.
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Pete Nice, my attack was justified.Van follows me around the board and tries his best to pick apart my posts,for what reason I don't know.I come to this board to give unbiased knowledge only to be badgered by a know nothing idiot.Van when was the last time even walked into a gym? If your going to give advice, make sure you can back it up.What are your credentials? By thick pic its looks like your a musclebear, or a couch potato.
To say you guy absorbs most of the L-Glutamine is like saying most of the gas in your gas gets wasted in the tank.
How can a amino acid that is 60% of skeletal muscle tissue get wasted in the gut.?
I guess you better not take Creatine or BCCA's either because they will get wasted in the guy aswell,lol.Why bother drinking protein drinks, they get wasted in their gut, lol.
Please....Van I forgot more about bodybuilding then you will ever know.Van while your sitting at home with your coach on the porch drinking beers, I am in the gym training or doing research.
Van you might want to join a gym and work out some time, you might learn a thing or two,lol
I cannot get over this pic.I cannot believe I am arguing with a loser.Van do you realise this pic totally owns you? lol
Is that wood paneling in the backround? lol.How long have you owned those glasses? Didn't woody Allen wear those glasses in the 70's?
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How can a amino acid that is 60% of skeletal muscle tissue get wasted in the gut.?
I guess you better not take Creatine or BCCA's either because they will get wasted in the guy aswell,lol.Why bother drinking protein drinks, they get wasted in their gut, lol.
This comment shows your ignorance. That you don't know this about glutamine is absolutely amazing. I could post articles about glutamine by experts such as Layne Norton (has done published research on amino acids) or Lyle McDonald (who wrote the "bible" on protein and which is even sold by Dante's True Protein site) but it would be wasted on you.
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Van you always post literature by someone els,e because you don't know yourself,lol.You look things up on the internet only to try to prove me wrong.You don't have your own material.Why would you.? I But I bet you got a gun rack in the back of your truck window lol.
I dont care what Layne Norton said.Layne is a smart guy, but he doesnt know everything, does he .
I am telling you because I have seen with my own eyes, with a acid hydrolysis test how L-Glutamine digests in the stomach.
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Van you always post literature by someone els,e because you don't know yourself,lol.
So what? What original ideas have you pioneered? Are you a scientist? Where are your published research papers? Was it you that discovered than 60% of muscle tissue is glutamine? Don't tell me that I'm regurgitating others' data when everything you post about supplements is gathered from supplement company promotional materials, not even scientific data. You scam newbies by selling ephedra leaf, think gamma oryzanol is a great supplement and on and on.
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Van, I don't believe in Gamma O, ,who said I did? Don't sell it do I? Now about the Ephedra Leaf, we only make that product for Bodybuilding.com and GNC,because they both will not carry EPhedra Alkaloids, because there insurance will not allow them to carry it.Even though my insurance will cover up to 4 million per occurrence.So I am stupid for making a product that they want?They wanted a product that worked that have Synephrine ,Caffeine, Aspirin , and Ephedra Leaf.It actually works and sells quite well.If a person wants Ephedra Alkaloids, I have a product that has 25mg per capsule.At least When I sell Ephedra Leaf,I put Ephedra Leaf on the bottle.I am not misleading people.
As far as L-Glutamine everybody that knows anything about it knows that 60% of skeletal muscle comes from L-Glutamine.
I could tell you alot more about about L-Glutamine, but information should be sold not told.
I have done alot for this industry, and endorsed alot of athletes to help them take there physique to the next level.
I don't take from this industry I give.I give my knowledge,secrets to up and coming athletes , because I am retired.
Just like when I was younger I had older athletes teach me the ropes.This is how bodybuilding evolves and this is how bodybuilding continues to be a sport
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hazbin once posted he got those great arms by keeping them flexed between sets. i'm having great success with this technique.
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Hazbin has a awesome physique.He has a body like a top level 1990's bodybuilder.The reason I say this is ,because he has lean quality dense muscle.Todays bodybuilders, because of insulin, look more washed out.Hazbin has muscle that has good tie in and flows together well.He has a very balanced, and symmetrical physique.I wish I had his round muscle belly's and small bones.
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hugestatus
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Re: Robert Burneika The Verdict
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Cant blame NY...Probably annoying to hear people yap yap but it doesnt reflect in their own physique. What NY believes in himself, it manifests itself. He walks the talk basically.
Thank you Hugestatus,I am glad to see somebody understands what I am trying to do.I don't come on this board to get in disputes and argue with people.I come on this board to share my knowledge and passion for the sport of bodybuilding.
It sucks that one person has a personal vendetta against me because of there lack of drive or accomplishment in there life.
Thats why I don't post alot on this board, to much negative energy.If there was more positive people I would post more and share more knowledge and secrets.To those of you to im me positive responses thank you
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Hazbin has a awesome physique.He has a body like a top level 1990's bodybuilder.The reason I say this is ,because he has lean quality dense muscle.Todays bodybuilders, because of insulin, look more washed out.Hazbin has muscle that has good tie in and flows together well.He has a very balanced, and symmetrical physique.I wish I had his round muscle belly's and small bones.
pretty good assessment. i was at my best in 1991. that was the last year i took competing seriously. here is me 3 weeks out at 240 lbs and on stage at 226. i was 26 years old. nobody even mentioned GH or insulin for years after this in Canada
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Thats why I don't post alot on this board, to much negative energy.If there was more positive people I would post more and share more knowledge and secrets.To those of you to im me positive responses thank you
Getbig is the best bb forum for the simple reason that it's not as censored as other boards.
I'm a nice and polite poster compared to you. You complain about a vendetta against you? You gotta be kidding me. What about your vendetta against Kamali and Plazmosis? Why do you spread this negativity? I thought you were for "spreading knowledge"?
You have talked a LOT of shit about a lot of different industry people on this board, so why do you complain when someone points out factual lies and BS coming from you?
As far as not misleading people with the "ephedra leaf" - that's a total lie and you know it! The only reason it's on the label is due to the word EPHEDRA. Most consumers don't know this doesn't work like the ephedra they are used to taking. It's only on the label to fool the consumer, no other reason! IT'S A SCAM. PERIOD.
If you don't want people talking shit about your products then lead by example, don't say this or that product by another company sucks.
Van, I don't believe in Gamma O, ,who said I did?
No?
First of a freind of mine owns Gamma O and has shown me legitmate research that it doesnt in fac t raise a persons natural testosterone levles.His name is John, and he actually had solid clinical studies showing Gamma O realy works.
Still waiting on the legitimate research. This is just one out numerous BS statements from you.
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Getbig is the best bb forum for the simple reason that it's not as censored as other boards.
I'm a nice and polite poster compared to you. You complain about a vendetta against you? You gotta be kidding me. What about your vendetta against Kamali and Plazmosis? Why do you spread this negativity? I thought you were for "spreading knowledge"?
You have talked a LOT of shit about a lot of different industry people on this board, so why do you complain when someone points out factual lies and BS coming from you?
As far as not misleading people with the "ephedra leaf" - that's a total lie and you know it! The only reason it's on the label is due to the word EPHEDRA. Most consumers don't know this doesn't work like the ephedra they are used to taking. It's only on the label to fool the consumer, no other reason! IT'S A SCAM. PERIOD.
If you don't want people talking shit about your products then lead by example, don't say this or that product by another company sucks.
You want to talk negativity, getitonny is constantly bitching and complaining about someone in the business.
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If GetIt doesn't post a response to Van's post above within 6 hours, I think I'll do it on his behalf ;D
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You want to talk negativity, getitonny is constantly bitching and complaining about someone in the business.
Yes, he's a very negative person. I have no problem with someone with a passion for the sport but he's just real negative and can't back up his so-called expertise.
If GetIt doesn't post a response to Van's post above within 6 hours, I think I'll do it on his behalf ;D
Something about a gun rack in the back of my truck? Drinking beers while posting on getbig? :D
I also play the banjo.
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Something about a gun rack in the back of my truck? Drinking beers while posting on getbig? :D
I also play the banjo.
See for yourself 8) ;D
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=291892.msg4151719#msg4151719
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See for yourself 8) ;D
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=291892.msg4151719#msg4151719
Perfect impression.
I hope John does the protein analysis and then publicizes the results on his site and on getbig. We'll see who was right about that. 8)
If you shipped a sealed bottle of product to a lab and have it assayed.There is not much a company can say.
Think a little, think! Ask around, ask some industry people. Mail Mike McCandless for example. Email: my65cuda@aol.com (used to own bulknutrition, now CEO of Primaforce. Had a label claim site for a very brief time and it was closed quickly due to lawsuits). Even if you had the lab order the product directly there's going to be problems. Will the lab testify in court that they stand by their test 100%??
Dante has said he knows of several big companies with shit products. Will he name them publicly? No way in hell!
A competitor sending in a sample from some other company for testing? :D
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here's the bottom line with supp companies--they are ALL LIARS AND CHEATS. all make phony claims---ALL of them. get it? no reason to do assays. they would someone how figure a way to scam that as well. they are all constantly on the make and working some hustle or game. the sooner you all realize this the sooner you will understand this "business."
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Van, and the rest of you jokers, I wont even reply to you.Your not even in my league.All I can say is a practice what I preach, my physique speaks for itself, as do my athlete such as Robert Burneika.I am not going to stoop myself to your level Van.Your bitter because you are a failure.All you have to do is look at you and you see a man who failed in life.You aren't a nice looking man and you aren't muscular.Your just an odd looking man with a worst then average physique.The only way you can knock me is on these boards because in person you would be a coward in my presence.As for my delayed response,well I don't have very many posts because I don't spend much time on getbig....I have a life, and I am actually a real bodybuilder
Now on a positive note...Hazbin you look awesome.Your physique has really Good detail.The more pics you post, the more I'm impressed.Why didn't you turn pro? You are very symmetrical, your lean and hard? What show did you compete in?
As far as using gh and insulin they are both overrated unless you use alot of them.I don't think you needed either one.Most guys these guys on even a national level are using 9-18 iu's of GH per day.I thought most guys were only using 4 ius's but thats what they claim you start talking there supplier, and they tell you how much they are really using.Most bodybuilders, say, I am using 500 mg of test, lol yeah ....right, lol.I actually believed one national competitor when he told he only used 4i's of GH per day, but his supplier told me we was using a bottle per day.Thats means he spending probably $2500 + a month on GH alone.
So Hazbin, its kind of good you didn't use GH......You didn't need it anyways.Most guys would give there left nut to have your muscle shape, size and conditioning.Its actually good to see there is actually a real bodybuilder on this board.lol.
Hazbin are you still training? Are you still about the same size, or like me did you take it down a notch?
I don't know about you but when you hit 40 your body doesn't recover like it used to, and things hurt longer, lol.All the things I did when I was younger, I pay for now when I first wake up in the morning, lol
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Van, and the rest of you jokers, I wont even reply to you.Your not even in my league.All I can say is a practice what I preach, my physique speaks for itself, as do my athlete such as Robert Burneika.I am not going to stoop myself to your level Van.Your bitter because you are a failure.All you have to do is look at you and you see a man who failed in life.You aren't a nice looking man and you aren't muscular.Your just an odd looking man with a worst then average physique.The only way you can knock me is on these boards because in person you would be a coward in my presence.As for my delayed response,well I don't have very many posts because I don't spend much time on getbig....I have a life, and I am actually a real bodybuilder
Ummm...in all respect...you kinda did just stoop to 'his level'
Now on a positive note...Hazbin you look awesome.Your physique has really Good detail.The more pics you post, the more I'm impressed.Why didn't you turn pro? You are very symmetrical, your lean and hard? What show did you compete in?
As far as using gh and insulin they are both overrated unless you use alot of them.I don't think you needed either one.Most guys these guys on even a national level are using 9-18 iu's of GH per day.I thought most guys were only using 4 ius's but thats what they claim you start talking there supplier, and they tell you how much they are really using.Most bodybuilders, say, I am using 500 mg of test, lol yeah ....right, lol.I actually believed one national competitor when he told he only used 4i's of GH per day, but his supplier told me we was using a bottle per day.Thats means he spending probably $2500 + a month on GH alone.
So Hazbin, its kind of good you didn't use GH......You didn't need it anyways.Most guys would give there left nut to have your muscle shape, size and conditioning.Its actually good to see there is actually a real bodybuilder on this board.lol.
Hazbin are you still training? Are you still about the same size, or like me did you take it down a notch?
I don't know about you but when you hit 40 your body doesn't recover like it used to, and things hurt longer, lol.All the things I did when I was younger, I pay for now when I first wake up in the morning, lol
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Van, and the rest of you jokers, I wont even reply to you.Your not even in my league.All I can say is a practice what I preach, my physique speaks for itself, as do my athlete such as Robert Burneika.I am not going to stoop myself to your level Van.Your bitter because you are a failure.All you have to do is look at you and you see a man who failed in life.You aren't a nice looking man and you aren't muscular.Your just an odd looking man with a worst then average physique.The only way you can knock me is on these boards because in person you would be a coward in my presence.As for my delayed response,well I don't have very many posts because I don't spend much time on getbig....I have a life, and I am actually a real bodybuilder
Now on a positive note...Hazbin you look awesome.Your physique has really Good detail.The more pics you post, the more I'm impressed.Why didn't you turn pro? You are very symmetrical, your lean and hard? What show did you compete in?
As far as using gh and insulin they are both overrated unless you use alot of them.I don't think you needed either one.Most guys these guys on even a national level are using 9-18 iu's of GH per day.I thought most guys were only using 4 ius's but thats what they claim you start talking there supplier, and they tell you how much they are really using.Most bodybuilders, say, I am using 500 mg of test, lol yeah ....right, lol.I actually believed one national competitor when he told he only used 4i's of GH per day, but his supplier told me we was using a bottle per day.Thats means he spending probably $2500 + a month on GH alone.
So Hazbin, its kind of good you didn't use GH......You didn't need it anyways.Most guys would give there left nut to have your muscle shape, size and conditioning.Its actually good to see there is actually a real bodybuilder on this board.lol.
Hazbin are you still training? Are you still about the same size, or like me did you take it down a notch?
I don't know about you but when you hit 40 your body doesn't recover like it used to, and things hurt longer, lol.All the things I did when I was younger, I pay for now when I first wake up in the morning, lol
thanx for the props bro!
why didn't i turn pro? i always lost, haha. those last pics were from the 1991 Canadians. i did use gh for the first time in 1999. i honestly think it revved my metabolism beyond my ability to intake food so i acually lost muscle from it. the last time i did the nationals was 2007. i never did them 2 years in a row, and i think that affects the judges. i opened a gym in 1992 and never really took competing seriously after that. i am about 240 now, but don't really train. i golfed today and can hardly move, my entire body hurts, and i rode a cart,lol.
i never really brought my best physique to the stage. not even close. i was always peaked between 1 and 4 weeks out, dammit!
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Hazbin, the reason I didn't turn pro ,....2 reasons 1) I didn't get big enough, I competed at 258 lbs, but I needed to be 275 lbs to fill in my big frame 2) I didn't use GH or Insulin.If I would have used alot of gh, 9-18ius a day, like these guys do, I would have been alot bigger.Plus if I added insulin, I probably would have gotten up to 310-325lbs.If I would have done these 2 things I probably could have been a top contender for the national title.I really don't think I have the genetics to turn pro.
I got big bones, a long torso, big rigs, big wrists, and long muscle belly's.So I really didn't have what it takes to be a pro bodybuilder.
Hazbin you could have turn pro.You had small bones, and round muscle belly's I just think you didn't have the knowledge you needed to turn pro.Trust me if you were to use GH ,and maybe insulin you would have made a great pro.
As far as pain goes I hear you on that one.I been in 3 major car accidents, had a cable crossover machine fall on my head, plus I was a nose guard for a semi pro football team for 5 years.So my back and knees, always hurt when I first wake up.
After about 15 minutes, I loosen up.I go to a chiropractor 4 times a month, it does help.
Like you I am right around 240-250lbs, I just stay in shape, I got nothing to prove anymore
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Van, and the rest of you jokers, I wont even reply to you.Your not even in my league.All I can say is a practice what I preach, my physique speaks for itself, as do my athlete such as Robert Burneika.I am not going to stoop myself to your level Van.Your bitter because you are a failure.All you have to do is look at you and you see a man who failed in life.You aren't a nice looking man and you aren't muscular.Your just an odd looking man with a worst then average physique.The only way you can knock me is on these boards because in person you would be a coward in my presence.As for my delayed response,well I don't have very many posts because I don't spend much time on getbig....I have a life, and I am actually a real bodybuilder
Next time you see Kamali or Jim Magnone please tell them their product contains "Dried Semen from a angry fat cocky Persian man"(direct quote from you).
I tell you you use "ephedra leaf" to deceive the ignorant consumer, WHICH IS FACT.
WHO IS THE MALICIOUS JEALOUS BITTER HATER?
You are a such a nice person who only compliments other people, without a malicious bone in his body. ::)
The stupid thing is, all these companies are coming out with pre-workout product.Because everybody wants a peace of BSN's NO-XPLODES buissness.The problem is King Kimali's products sucks, I mean sucks really really bad.I havent tried it, but I read the ingredients, which is nothing cutting edge, and the bottles would only cost me like $4 to make.If that .There is nothing in that product that is great or even expensive.The bottom line is Plazmosis is a cheap NO-XLPODE knock off.With a fat cocky persian behind it.Plazmosis is a bigger then King Kimali himself, I just hope he doesnt rip to many people off with this baking soda in a bottle garbage.King Kamali got probably fired from Muscle-Tech, because he is a loud mouth idiot .So now he is preying on non educated consumers and high school kids.Ripping them off out of there hard earned money.Charging an arm and a leg, for a product that 6 months from now will be on the clearence shelves of supplement stores dicounted at 70% off because once people try it they wont buy it again.
The Octo mom, the lasy who had 8 babies, took Plazmosis.The secret ingredient in Plazmosis is Persian semen extracted from King Kimali. left testicle.It is then freezed to 400,00000 degrees below zero.
After consuming Plazmosis for only 2 days, she became pregnant with 8 children.
Guys if you give you gf or wife Plazmosis, there is a chance she could become prgant with King Kamali's kid
Plazmosis Ingreidents? Pharmaceutical grade Maltodextrin,Pharmaceutical Grade Dextrose,$4.50 per kilo Chinese creatine, with a fancy name, attached to it, to make it sound cutting edge.Dried Semen from a angry fat cocky Persian man,Baking Soda, Peroxide ( for whitetning effect with the bakingh soda) Flour, Pure Cain Sugar, from C & H, Kool-Aide,Citric Acid, natural Flavoring, and Snake Oil( used as a Essential Fatty Acid)
No ,....He is not on Plazmosis, the UFC banned Plazmosis, aswell as the NPC, and IFBB....John Lindsey sent out a certified letter to Mr USA, competitors, that they will be testing for Plazmosis.If any competitors tests positive for ,persian semen, I mean Plazmosis, they will be banned from the NPC, andf the Mr USA.
Jim Manion also sent a letter to all IFBB athletes competed at the Mr Olympia, stating they will be testing for Plazmosis ......If any athlete shows up postive for Plazmosis, they will be banned from the IFBB for life.
Plazmosis is considered a very unfair advantage, the dried Persian semen, backing soda,Pharmaceutical Grade Maltodextrin, Dextrose, and flour make and sugar.Makes it so anabolic its banned from the NPC,THE IFBB,the ABA,THE UFC and the Olympics.
One Plazmosis user actually gained 25lbs in one week, and his penis grew 2" and his right foot grew 2 shoe sizes.Plazmosis, is potent stuff!!!!!!!
You wouldn't stoop to my level? Yeah ok. You are a gutter punk, that's how low you are. I only deal with facts.
You better hope the FDA doesn't take closer look at your products. In many cases they are illegal and mislabeled.
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I just laugh when I see this pic.Van are you a inbreed, were your parents brother and sister? or kissing cousins? I mean come on, have got to be the ugliest SOB I have ever seen.I actually feel sorry for you.The thick nerdy 70's glasses, the Kmart cowboy hat to cover the badly balding head, lol.I bet you even have long hair on one side so you can do the comb over.Plus in the pic you can tell your fat, lol.Isn't this a bodybuilding chat?Your not a bodybuilder, so you must be a gay muscle worshiping freak.Why else would an ugly fat, inbreed hillbilly come to this site? Van your just mad because I am everything your not.You look like a failure, and a bitter looser.The only way you can attack me is on the internet, because face to face,you would have your tail between your legs lie a scared lil puppy.
Hazbin, I am sorry I had to drift on our conversation.You know how it is, when you got a nice physique.You always have haters, who don't like you because there lack of success in there own lives.There are real bodybuilders, then there are guys who just talk, and say they are doing shows that don't even exist.
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You complain about us who think most naturals are liars. Go tell Levrone he's a liar, say it to his face tough guy. ;)
I dont beleive Kevin Leverone is totally clean.I know this for a fact.How can you go from using a ton of sh$%4 like he was to not using anything at all.Your body would shut down.I made that mistake once.I stopped using all gear in 2006, and I couldnt get any HCG OR Clomid, so I just said screw it.Wrong thing to do !!!!!! Very Very dumb.After about 6 months I was getting more tired often.After about a year I couldnt get a pump.After 2 years I lost my drive totally, I felt like shi%$ all the time.I went to a doctor who is a friend of mine.My testosterone levels were 118.Guys the average mans testosterone levels range from 250-850, if your 250 your still considered very low.I had the testosterone levels of a 10 year old boy.Beleive it or not I still weighed 238lbs, but I was flat as fu#$# and sore all the time.I got some help from my Doctor, and I gained 12 lbs in 2 weeks, and I felt better everyday.
So fellas, dont let your test, levels go down, you will feel like dogsh$#.No pump no energy, sore all the time, and sex is something you could care less about.Without testosterone life sucks, lol.
My point is Kevin has to be doing something.I know he was using more gear then I was.I want near his level, and look what happened to me.If you guys remeber correctly Kevin would train hard or use gear until 12 weeks before a show.So you know he had to be using a shi#$ load of gear.He would go from 210 lbs,to 250lbs on stage in 12 weeks.I figure he was using probably atleast 1500mg of test, 12iu;s of GH,400MG of Primobolan, 400mg of Trenbalone,plus Winstrol and Anavar.
He gained 40lbs of Muscle in 12 weeks.!!!!! He had to be doing a ton of shi$# !!!
I am not knocking Kevin, because Kevin is the man.The guy loooked amazing.I would die to have his genetics.The truth is, he has got to be doing something, like 200mg of Testosterone a week, HCG, or Clomid.Which is natural compared to what he was using.
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lol....The worst part about is you admited to using steroids, to look this bad, lol
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I just laugh when I see this pic.Van are you a inbreed, were your parents brother and sister? or kissing cousins?
If I'm an inbreed then what are you? Compare our writing. English is my third language, which I haven't even actually spoken once in my life. You come across like a retard when you write, and no, it's not because you have "thick fingers". :D
You are so stupid and unprofessional you don't even bother with spell check for your labels. ??? ;D
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Yes, I suck at typing so what.Is that all you can say? I would rather be a horrible typer, then have a horrible physique like yours.Van do you actually lift weights? In that pic you look like your about 190lbs at 20% bodyfat.There is no muscle on your body.