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Anyone tried it? Did you legitimately stay in ketosis throughout? (ie confirmed by a testing kit). How long did you go for, and what results did you observe?
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Yes, incorporated keto many times in my life, currently doing carnivore, but stay in Ketosis. I've done keto prior where basically I ate
Meal 1: 6 whole eggs. Meal 2: chicken/avocado Meal 3: whey isolate/almond butter Meal 4: Salmon/broccoli Meal 5: 80/20 ground beef/zucchini made into noodles/low carb organic pasta sauce
Did this and got great results, went carnivore (steak, eggs, raw dairy) and feel even better, I test my ketones with a blood ketone meter.
Tips, electrolytes are absolutely essential, you want at least 7,000mg of sodium a day (not salt sodium), 4,000mg of potassium a day (if you eat plants avocado/spinach, not eating plants potassium chloride supplement), magnesium 500-600mg prior to bed (magnesium bisglycinate is what I recommend).
First week I'd take off lifting all together, just do cardio, help dump the glycogen stores and let your body adjust to ketosis, if you stay on top of your electrolytes you won't get the keto flu.
Prior to lifting make sure to get a good amount of sodium, even recommend 2-5 grams of creatine monohydrate.
KetoSens the meter I use, ideally your ketones should hover around. 0.5-1.5.
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Anyone tried it? Did you legitimately stay in ketosis throughout? (ie confirmed by a testing kit). How long did you go for, and what results did you observe?
This is what happens when posters who live in one solitary thread step out of it.
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This is what happens when posters who live in one solitary thread step out of it.
:D
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Yes, incorporated keto many times in my life, currently doing carnivore, but stay in Ketosis. I've done keto prior where basically I ate
Meal 1: 6 whole eggs. Meal 2: chicken/avocado Meal 3: whey isolate/almond butter Meal 4: Salmon/broccoli Meal 5: 80/20 ground beef/zucchini made into noodles/low carb organic pasta sauce
Did this and got great results, went carnivore (steak, eggs, raw dairy) and feel even better, I test my ketones with a blood ketone meter.
Tips, electrolytes are absolutely essential, you want at least 7,000mg of sodium a day (not salt sodium), 4,000mg of potassium a day (if you eat plants avocado/spinach, not eating plants potassium chloride supplement), magnesium 500-600mg prior to bed (magnesium bisglycinate is what I recommend).
First week I'd take off lifting all together, just do cardio, help dump the glycogen stores and let your body adjust to ketosis, if you stay on top of your electrolytes you won't get the keto flu.
Prior to lifting make sure to get a good amount of sodium, even recommend 2-5 grams of creatine monohydrate.
KetoSens the meter I use, ideally your ketones should hover around. 0.5-1.5.
Good stuff - thank you. In terms of "great results" can articulate what those were? Eg weight loss, or muscle gain, better mood, improved bloodwork, more strength, or whatever?
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Good stuff - thank you. In terms of "great results" can articulate what those were? Eg weight loss, or muscle gain, better mood, improved bloodwork, more strength, or whatever?
Stable energy levels, improved focus, strength dips at first then slowly became stronger, blood work definitely improved fasting glucose low 80s/triglycerides mid 40s, best diet for fat loss in my opinion I mean daily changes, you don't retain much water so you may look a bit smaller but definitely more detailed, more satiated not constantly hungry all day, improved sleep I would always have to try to catch a nap on a high carb diet with keto I just feel way more energetic, better skin quality. Most bodybuilders will say it sucks because they never really give it a true shot, they try it for a few weeks, their strength dips and quickly revert back to carbs, you gotta give it a legit shot if you're serious.
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Been doing keto and now carnivore for about 3 years.
Keep your fluid intake up because you will shed water/urinate often and you want to prevent constipation.
Eat lots of fat.
Follow the Kid's advices.
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I liked it when I did it.
I probably won’t do it any time soon as being a true ectomorph (without anabolics) I can get too thin on it.
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Anyone tried it? Did you legitimately stay in ketosis throughout? (ie confirmed by a testing kit). How long did you go for, and what results did you observe?
Nothing magic about it- you basically dump an entire food group- meaning carbs. You are bound to lose weight because there are only fats and proteins left. I don't know about you but there is only some much meat and lard I can stomach. And when you increase protein you actually burn a significant % of the protein calories just in the digestion process (~30%). You dum a ton of water in the first two weeks and that isn't that good for you.
I did it for one year. Went from 214 to 175, looked like a starving African and eventually quit it because it sucks. If you do any kind of high intensity sport, you will miss the carbs- and anybody who says you can go into anaerobic glycolysis and be just as good on keto is full of shit.
Keto people are like vegans- it's a fucking religion, lol.
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Stable energy levels, improved focus, strength dips at first then slowly became stronger, blood work definitely improved fasting glucose low 80s/triglycerides mid 40s, best diet for fat loss in my opinion I mean daily changes, you don't retain much water so you may look a bit smaller but definitely more detailed, more satiated not constantly hungry all day, improved sleep I would always have to try to catch a nap on a high carb diet with keto I just feel way more energetic, better skin quality. Most bodybuilders will say it sucks because they never really give it a true shot, they try it for a few weeks, their strength dips and quickly revert back to carbs, you gotta give it a legit shot if you're serious.
was doing carnivore prior to starting my prep in 22, felt great, was just eating eggs, greek yoghurt, milk, steak and lamb
Fisrt couple weeks was scared of farting, very loose shits then went away
Added carbs back in during prep, always felt shit after I ate them
Been getting a lot of bloat lately, back eating steak, eggs milk and yoghurt, had a fucking banana to day, nicked it out of the fridge at work, blew me up like a fucking balloon
As of tomorrow and meat only, going to find out whats causing the bloat by adding one more food source every 3 days
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Stable energy levels, improved focus, strength dips at first then slowly became stronger, blood work definitely improved fasting glucose low 80s/triglycerides mid 40s, best diet for fat loss in my opinion I mean daily changes, you don't retain much water so you may look a bit smaller but definitely more detailed, more satiated not constantly hungry all day, improved sleep I would always have to try to catch a nap on a high carb diet with keto I just feel way more energetic, better skin quality. Most bodybuilders will say it sucks because they never really give it a true shot, they try it for a few weeks, their strength dips and quickly revert back to carbs, you gotta give it a legit shot if you're serious.
Yes, I am on day 8 now. Felt shit the first 4 days (totally fasted) but now feel great (almost as you described above). However I am not really notice any weight loss expect when doing the fast. So is it possible to be in keto but not lose weight?
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Yes, I am on day 8 now. Felt shit the first 4 days (totally fasted) but now feel great (almost as you described above). However I am not really notice any weight loss expect when doing the fast. So is it possible to be in keto but not lose weight?
Are you tracking your calories? Are you watching total protein intake?
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Yes, I am on day 8 now. Felt shit the first 4 days (totally fasted) but now feel great (almost as you described above). However I am not really notice any weight loss expect when doing the fast. So is it possible to be in keto but not lose weight?
Do you want to lose weight?
Give it some time like a few months.
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Would never EVER use it for athletes let alone anyone else
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Are you tracking your calories? Are you watching total protein intake?
You dont need to
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was doing carnivore prior to starting my prep in 22, felt great, was just eating eggs, greek yoghurt, milk, steak and lamb
Fisrt couple weeks was scared of farting, very loose shits then went away
Added carbs back in during prep, always felt shit after I ate them
Been getting a lot of bloat lately, back eating steak, eggs milk and yoghurt, had a fucking banana to day, nicked it out of the fridge at work, blew me up like a fucking balloon
As of tomorrow and meat only, going to find out whats causing the bloat by adding one more food source every 3 days
Loose stools usually just an indicator of possibly too much fat, or coming from a lower fat approach and then a sudden increase in fat. 90% of the population has leaky gut, gut damage could be from various things especially a coarse of antibiotics, but various other things like medications and certain foods, they way I got onto carnivore was to figure out bloating issues, and ultimately cured all of them. 3 day water fasts were absolutely amazing for healing me, if you've seen Dana White lately he's on a keto diet, just completed a 4 day fast and the guy looks like a new man.
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Would never EVER use it for athletes let alone anyone else
Ketones have to be utilized to make ATP in the Mitochondria via the Krebs Cycle and Electron Transport Chain. So, they’re essentially a substitute for fats not carbohydrates which can synthesize ATP by being partially broken down outside of the Mitochondria.
It’s a much faster process with the downside being that it can’t be maintained for very long. That’s why the body uses anaerobic respiration for high intensity activities.
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Loose stools usually just an indicator of possibly too much fat, or coming from a lower fat approach and then a sudden increase in fat. 90% of the population has leaky gut, gut damage could be from various things especially a coarse of antibiotics, but various other things like medications and certain foods, they way I got onto carnivore was to figure out bloating issues, and ultimately cured all of them. 3 day water fasts were absolutely amazing for healing me, if you've seen Dana White lately he's on a keto diet, just completed a 4 day fast and the guy looks like a new man.
yep, it only lasted a couple weeks and then went away after my body adjusted
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Are you tracking your calories? Are you watching total protein intake?
No to either. But eating a keto diet, and definitely constantly in ketosis.
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The idea that you’re mentally sharper on ketosis makes no sense. If that were the case, why aren’t ketones the default fuel source for the brain with glucose being the back up as opposed to the other way around?
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The idea that you’re mentally sharper on ketosis makes no sense. If that were the case, why aren’t ketones the default fuel source for the brain with glucose being the back up as opposed to the other way around?
Carbs make you sluggish.
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The idea that you’re mentally sharper on ketosis makes no sense. If that were the case, why aren’t ketones the default fuel source for the brain with glucose being the back up as opposed to the other way around?
Imagine our a ancestors were able to hunt willimamoth all without glucose fueling these hunts, they'd make a kill, eat for a few days then go days if not weeks without food, but still have the energy to hunt and forage for food. No science back then, telling them sugar is the bodies preferred fuel source, yet they survived somehow.
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Carbs make you sluggish.
Too many, yeah.
Don’t get me wrong. Fat Fvcks eat way too many carbs. I’m saying going below 100grams a day for will adversely affect athletic performance as you won’t have a top gear.
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Too many, yeah.
Don’t get me wrong. Fat Fvcks eat way too many carbs. I’m saying going below 100grams a day for will adversely affect athletic performance as you won’t have a top gear.
there are many athletes with a top gear on keto diets
Its like fasted cardio as opposed to breakfast first, it make zero difference to your athletic ability, try both.
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Imagine our a ancestors were able to hunt willimamoth all without glucose fueling these hunts, they'd make a kill, eat for a few days then go days if not weeks without food, but still have the energy to hunt and forage for food. No science back then, telling them sugar is the bodies preferred fuel source, yet they survived somehow.
We’re talking about athletic performance not survival.
Sorry, Ketones can’t Synthesize ATP as quickly as glucose. Don’t blame me. It wasn’t my idea.
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there are many athletes with a top gear on keto diets
Its like fasted cardio as opposed to breakfast first, it make zero difference to your athletic ability, try both.
Yes, we keep hearing about these mythical athletes, but they never seem to exist in reality.
I repeat. Ketones cannot synthesize ATP as quickly as glucose. It is what it is.
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Yes, we keep hearing about these mythical athletes, but they never seem to exist in reality.
I repeat. Ketones cannot synthesize ATP as quickly as glucose. It is what it is.
I'm not an elite athlete, I'm just a guy who wants to have great muscularity, have energy to work, train, hike, bike, swim, look great with my shirt off, stay healthy, and not be constantly injured. All I know is I feel my best I've ever felt.
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On a keto/carnivore diet I've trained for an hour and a half then rode my bike on a trail for 20+ miles, all before eating anything in the morning except a cup of coffee.
Plenty of energy. Some of you are saying this is impossible to do without eating carbs.
A low carb diet also has metabolic benefits.
It increases insulin sensitivity, lowers your triglycerides and raises your HDL.
What you should at least do for health is cut out sugars, processed foods, and seed oils.
Doing that will solve many of your present and future metabolic conditions.
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On a keto/carnivore diet I've trained for an hour then rode my bike on a trail for 20+ miles, all before eating anything in the morning except a cup of coffee.
Plenty of energy. Some of you are saying this is impossible to do without eating carbs.
Funny how Milos says when he trains Hunter Campbell and Dana White they're both keto and both train giant sets with Milos fasted, Milos was like "I dont know how they do it, they say they feel great" Milos is so focused on the carbs and insulin protocol, which will definitely get you round and full temporarily and cosmetically, but he's witnessing what ketones can do with those two.
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Funny how Milos says when he trains Hunter Campbell and Dana White they're both keto and both train giant sets with Milos fasted, Milos was like "I dont know how they do it, they say they feel great" Milos is so focused on the carbs and insulin protocol, which will definitely get you round and full temporarily and cosmetically, but he's witnessing what ketones can do with those two.
I train fasted everyday, lately without even a cup of coffee.
What you just said goes along with the current fad of pre-workout supplements.
What bs.
Just a scam to sell supplements.
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I train fasted everyday, lately without even a cup of coffee.
What you just said goes along with the current fad of pre-workout supplements.
What bs.
Just a scam to sell supplements.
I get better pumps without the caffeine, seeing caffeine is a vasoconstrictor, I'll just load up on sodium, and sometimes use some unflavored Citrulline and beta alanine from True Nutrition. Or half a tab of cialis.
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I get better pumps without the caffeine, seeing caffeine is a vasoconstrictor, I'll just load up on sodium, and sometimes use some unflavored Citrulline and beta alanine from True Nutrition. Or half a tab of cialis.
What type of sodium do you use?
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What type of sodium do you use?
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Ok, thanks.
I use himalayan pink salt.
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Ok, thanks.
I use himalayan pink salt.
A lot of those a faked so be careful, they use food dye and color the salt pink.
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Ok, thanks.
I use himalayan pink salt.
It does work I use some with honey and scoop unflavored powdered arginine before workout,good pump,endurance.
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On a keto/carnivore diet I've trained for an hour and a half then rode my bike on a trail for 20+ miles, all before eating anything in the morning except a cup of coffee.
Plenty of energy. Some of you are saying this is impossible to do without eating carbs.
A low carb diet also has metabolic benefits.
It increases insulin sensitivity, lowers your triglycerides and raises your HDL.
What you should at least do for health is cut out sugars, processed foods, and seed oils.
Doing that will solve many of your present and future metabolic conditions.
I was responding to a comment made by coach who said he wouldn’t train an athlete using keto.
If you were coaching an MMA fighter for a 5x 5 minute round fight, would you advocate a keto diet?
I wouldn’t. Why? Because you would be depriving him of a fuel source that synthesizes ATP (Energy) faster than does fats or ketones.
No one is saying that you can’t go for a bike ride on Keto. If it works for you that’s great.
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I was responding to a comment made by coach who said he wouldn’t train an athlete using keto.
If you were coaching an MMA fighter for a 5x 5 minute round fight, would you advocate a keto diet?
I wouldn’t. Why? Because you would be depriving him of a fuel source that synthesizes ATP (Energy) faster than does fats or ketones.
No one is saying that you can’t go for a bike ride on Keto. If it works for you that’s great.
If a successful triathlon athlete can use it there is no reason it wouldn't work for an MMA fighter too.
But I have no idea if it would or not.
Eating low carb is good for your health.
MMA contests are not good for your health.
Competitive bodybuilding is not good for your health.
Taking drugs to look good in a t-shirt is not good for your health.
Playing NFL football is not good for your health.
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Yes, we keep hearing about these mythical athletes, but they never seem to exist in reality.
I repeat. Ketones cannot synthesize ATP as quickly as glucose. It is what it is.
Anecdotally, previously having been on a keto diet, my main method of fitness was boxing. I spent my late 30's through mid 40's drinking.....a lot. Got grossly out of shape- for me, relatively speaking.
Once I was in ketosis my athletic performance was almost as good as my teens and 20's when I wteztled and boxed. In fact it seemed to give me another 'gear mentally' like I could train for hours.
I'd say in in the course of 6 - 8 months, I probably dropped 35 to 40 lbs. I got very lean and had energy for days. I stopped because I got too thin.
My athletic performance at 45 was better than almost every single one of the 300 or so guys that I worked with at the time. Most were half my age and with few exceptions all were fairly competitive.
Now, obviously, thats not pro-athlete level and I don't have times and stats for you. But the change in my health, appearance and athleticism was really incredible.... for the average, non-user, middle age dude, it's almost fool proof way to get into really good physical condition.
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Going full keto or carnivore is not for everyone.
At least greatly reduce your intake of sugars, processed and refined foods, and seed oils.
At best eliminate such things from your diet.
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Going full keto or carnivore is not for everyone.
At least greatly reduce your intake of sugars, processed and refined foods, and seed oils.
At best eliminate such things from your diet.
this
mentzer prescribed this... 25% pro 60% carb 15% fat
in the wwe bb back in the early 90s did mario depauqule keto and they all looked like shit :-X :-X :-X
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If a successful triathlon athlete can use it there is no reason it wouldn't work for an MMA fighter too.
But I have no idea if it would or not.
Eating low carb is good for your health.
MMA contests are not good for your health.
Competitive bodybuilding is not good for your health.
Taking drugs to look good in a t-shirt is not good for your health.
Playing NFL football is not good for your health.
Who are these triathletes? This is one of the top gels for endurance.
You don’t seem to understand. Once you get into the 80% VOmax range, fat use as a fuel falls off a cliff and glucose becomes the preferred fuel source out of necessity.
As was said , Keto is almost like a religion and its advocates can’t accept this reality.
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this
mentzer prescribed this... 25% pro 60% carb 15% fat
in the wwe bb back in the early 90s did mario depauqule Mauro Di Pasquale keto and they all looked like shit :-X :-X :-X
The WBF folks looked better than the turdz of today. Mauro Di Pasquale's Anabolic Diet is like any other, works for a while, then doesnt..
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The WBF folks looked better than the turdz of today. Mauro Di Pasquale's Anabolic Diet is like any other, works for a while, then doesnt..
these dipshits today are clueless
yep
but at least some push a healthier gear protocol
gotta dive em props for that
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Who are these triathletes? This is one of the top gels for endurance.
You don’t seem to understand. Once you get into the 80% VOmax range, fat use as a fuel falls off a cliff and glucose becomes the preferred fuel source out of necessity.
As was said , Keto is almost like a religion and its advocates can’t accept this reality.
Somebody here posted a marathon or triathlete guy who was on keto. Maybe Keto Kid.
I will not dispute your statements about keto not being ideal for that.
It would be impossible to get enough calories doing keto to maintain your bodyweight and strength doing those things.
Most Americans are fat and either diabetic or pre-diabetic so getting enough calories is not the problem.
Since none of us are doing marathons or triathlons or MMA it's irrelevant.
Like i said I've trained hard for 1-2 hours with weights, then done a strenuous 20+ mile trail bike ride immediately after without eating anything for 14 hours.
I understand what you are saying about ATP. How was I able to do all that? My body was producing the energy needed.
It was producing glucose and ketones from stores of course.
You do low carb/keto/carnivore for health reasons.
If you want to die young then do all those extreme athletic pursuits, disable your body, enlarge your heart, get concussed, mess with your endocrine system, etc.
I don't do keto anymore. I did for a good year or more but then went to carnivore as it is much simpler.
You just eat meat, eggs, and animal products. No calorie counting. No hunger.
I carb up a bit on the weekend too and eat some bagels, etc. However, not too much or I don't feel good.
5 days a week I am carnivore with the addition of some low starch green vegetables or salad.
For example, yesterday I had (over the course of the day) 7 whole eggs fried in animal lard, beef fat fried, almonds, walnuts, peanuts, 1 1/2 baked chicken leg quarters, broccoli, 12 oz coffee with halfnhalf. I eat 3-4 dozen whole eggs each week.
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Anecdotally, previously having been on a keto diet, my main method of fitness was boxing. I spent my late 30's through mid 40's drinking.....a lot. Got grossly out of shape- for me, relatively speaking.
Once I was in ketosis my athletic performance was almost as good as my teens and 20's when I wteztled and boxed. In fact it seemed to give me another 'gear mentally' like I could train for hours.
I'd say in in the course of 6 - 8 months, I probably dropped 35 to 40 lbs. I got very lean and had energy for days. I stopped because I got too thin.
My athletic performance at 45 was better than almost every single one of the 300 or so guys that I worked with at the time. Most were half my age and with few exceptions all were fairly competitive.
Now, obviously, thats not pro-athlete level and I don't have times and stats for you. But the change in my health, appearance and athleticism was really incredible.... for the average, non-user, middle age dude, it's almost fool proof way to get into really good physical condition.
You got healthier because you lost weight. That improves all health markers. Most people get fat in middle age and a result their health and performance decline more than they otherwise would.
IMO the sweet spot for active people is 150-200 grams of carbs. The problem is that fat fvcks who don’t exercise eat 400g+. This results in weight gain and chronic high blood sugar which eventually leads to health issues.
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(https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=690900.0;attach=1491740;image)
This is just sugar. Maltodextrin and fructose.
Fructose causes inflammation and metabolic issues, high triglycerides, etc.
Maltodextrin very often causes problems with the gut biome.
Unfortunately these are in most processed foods, particularly high fructose corn syrup.
Table sugar is 50% fructose.
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You got healthier because you lost weight. That improves all health markers. Most people get fat in middle age and a result their health and performance decline more than they otherwise would.
IMO the sweet spot for active people is 150-200 grams of carbs. The problem is that fat fvcks who don’t exercise eat 400g+. This results in weight gain and chronic high blood sugar which eventually leads to health issues.
yep yep
weigh loss impoves health FACT
some bb eat 1000 grams of carbs
bodyweight is the highest preciditor of mortality FACT
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Who are these triathletes? This is one of the top gels for endurance.
You don’t seem to understand. Once you get into the 80% VOmax range, fat use as a fuel falls off a cliff and glucose becomes the preferred fuel source out of necessity.
As was said , Keto is almost like a religion and its advocates can’t accept this reality.
This dude just finished a marathon on pure carnivore diet
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The recommended Western Diet is 300-400 gms carbs a day.
Americans eat most of these carbs in processed foods.
It's a cheap way to feed a population and prevent starvation.
It results in obesity and diabetes eventually for many.
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In which one of these countries is the standard diet Keto?
It’s not carbs. It’s excess. These countries have low obesity rates:
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This dude just finished a marathon on pure carnivore diet
What gels did he use?
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What gels did he use?
None, he also just completed a full month of drinking only raw milk.
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Read the caption, he ran it fasted, zero carb
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None, he also just completed a full month of drinking only raw milk.
So, how is he so fat?
I looked at his time. He ran it at over 8min per mile pace. For a guy his age that’s a bit faster than jogging.
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Why raw milk over pasteurised?
Is there really that big of a difference scientifically?
It seems like a meme to me tbh.
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In which one of these countries is the standard diet Keto?
It’s not carbs. It’s excess. These countries have low obesity rates:
You are free to eat a low calorie, carb heavy diet. You will not be happy starving yourself to stay slim.
I prefer to eat a low carb, high fat, moderate protein diet and not feel hungry at all.
Chinese who ate mainly rice and beans in decades past were skinny because they were starving.
Yep, Americans are fat slobs who over-eat highly processed carbs.
No question.
Obesity is also appearing greatly in Asia since the Western Diet is gaining popularity.
(https://static.vecteezy.com/system/resources/previews/001/338/065/non_2x/healthy-food-pyramid-educational-chart-free-vector.jpg)
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Competitive "Keto" Triathletes and Marathon runners still carb load pre meet and to a lesser extent pre training. The competitive advantage for them is that they don't need to load up on as many carbs vs who don't follow keto diets. This means they are less likely to suffer from GI issues which is the number issue for endurance athletes.
This discussion seems to come up every 6 months or so on here. Someone posts some nonsensical keto stuff, it gets debunked and then they fade away completely ignoring the real facts. 6 months later the tards are back at it
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Btw, since when does raw milk have no carbs?
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Apparently, WebMD recommends a daily caloric intake of less than 1,000 calories!
You'll stay skinny on that but you won't be happy.
I remember my fat Type-2 diabetic aunt had to go on a 1,000 calories diet to lose weight. It's starving yourself.
130 grams carbs x 4 calories per gram = 520 calories / 60% = 866 calories :o
https://www.webmd.com/diet/foods-high-in-carbs
Why You Should Reduce Carbs
Carbs are an excellent source of energy for active people, but sedentary people should moderate their carbohydrate intake to maintain a healthy weight. The recommended daily amount of carbs for the average adult is 130 grams, or between 45% and 65% of your total calorie intake.
High-carb diets have been connected to a higher risk of chronic disease, decreased physical activity, and obesity. However, carbohydrate quality has been shown to play a more critical role in health than the amount of carbs.
Carbs from processed grains and added sugars may increase the risk of obesity, diabetes, cardiovascular disease, and some cancers. When grains are processed, or refined, many nutrients and most of the fiber are removed, leaving a grain that has a longer shelf life but is less healthy than a whole grain. Processed grains include white breads, white rice, cakes, crackers, and similar.
Carbs such as whole grains, non-starchy vegetables, whole fruits, and legumes have been shown to be healthful.
Carb intake from processed grains and added sugars may increase the risk of:
Metabolic disease
Research shows that a diet of excessive carbs may cause a higher occurrence of metabolic disease. Metabolic disease, or metabolic syndrome, is a group of risk factors that contribute to heart disease and diabetes. Metabolic syndrome’s risk factors include high blood pressure, high blood sugar, high triglycerides, low HDL cholesterol (the “good cholesterol”), and belly fat.
Obesity
Research shows that a starchy, high-carb diet may lead to decreased physical activity, and, ultimately, increased weight gain. Excessive weight gain can lead to obesity.
Diabetes
High-carb diets from sugary and starchy sources have been shown to lead to increased weight gain. Excessive weight gain can raise the occurrence of diabetes.
Cardiovascular disease
Diets that are high in carbohydrates, especially from high-starch and high-sugar foods, may increase the risk of cardiovascular disease.
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So, how is he so fat?
I looked at his time. He ran it at over 8min per mile pace. For a guy his age that’s a bit faster than jogging.
lulz
an 8 min pace FUCKING SUCKS :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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Why raw milk over pasteurised?
Is there really that big of a difference scientifically?
It seems like a meme to me tbh.
Raw milk contains all the healthy bacteria and enzymes to help you digest lactose, 95% of the population think they're lactose intolerant, they're not, it's just Pasturization kills all the healthy enzymes and bacteria that aid in Digestion of lactose.
So, how is he so fat?
I looked at his time. He ran it at over 8min per mile pace. For a guy his age that’s a bit faster than jogging.
He's pretty lean at the moment, not really concerned about times, the guy is just proving you don't need cabs for performance, is it optimal performance, not really sure, but all these idiots slamming glucose all day everyday should wake up and realize we all have thousands of calories in our fat stores.
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You are free to eat a low calorie, carb heavy diet. You will not be happy starving yourself to stay slim.
I prefer to eat a low carb, high fat, moderate protein diet and not feel hungry at all.
Chinese who ate mainly rice and beans in decades past were skinny because they were starving.
Yep, Americans are fat slobs who over-eat highly processed carbs.
No question.
Obesity is also appearing greatly in Asia since the Western Diet is gaining popularity.
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The food pyramid was created after the 2nd World war to try and get farmers producing again and filling peoples bellies with food, it has zero to do with eating for optimum health
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Btw, since when does raw milk have no carbs?
He ran the marathon on zero carbs, he now just did this raw milk experiment. I myself drink raw milk pre and post workout and still stay in Ketosis, its called targeted keto, I can get as much as 50-60g carbs from raw milk, and measure my ketones their always between. 05-1.5.
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Apparently, WebMD recommends a daily caloric intake of less than 1,000 calories!
You'll stay skinny on that but you won't be happy.
130 grams carbs x 4 calories per gram = 520 calories / 60% = 866 calories :o
https://www.webmd.com/diet/foods-high-in-carbs
Why You Should Reduce Carbs
Carbs are an excellent source of energy for active people, but sedentary people should moderate their carbohydrate intake to maintain a healthy weight. The recommended daily amount of carbs for the average adult is 130 grams, or between 45% and 65% of your total calorie intake.
High-carb diets have been connected to a higher risk of chronic disease, decreased physical activity, and obesity. However, carbohydrate quality has been shown to play a more critical role in health than the amount of carbs.
Carbs from processed grains and added sugars may increase the risk of obesity, diabetes, cardiovascular disease, and some cancers. When grains are processed, or refined, many nutrients and most of the fiber are removed, leaving a grain that has a longer shelf life but is less healthy than a whole grain. Processed grains include white breads, white rice, cakes, crackers, and similar.
Carbs such as whole grains, non-starchy vegetables, whole fruits, and legumes have been shown to be healthful.
Carb intake from processed grains and added sugars may increase the risk of:
Metabolic disease
Research shows that a diet of excessive carbs may cause a higher occurrence of metabolic disease. Metabolic disease, or metabolic syndrome, is a group of risk factors that contribute to heart disease and diabetes. Metabolic syndrome’s risk factors include high blood pressure, high blood sugar, high triglycerides, low HDL cholesterol (the “good cholesterol”), and belly fat.
Obesity
Research shows that a starchy, high-carb diet may lead to decreased physical activity, and, ultimately, increased weight gain. Excessive weight gain can lead to obesity.
Diabetes
High-carb diets from sugary and starchy sources have been shown to lead to increased weight gain. Excessive weight gain can raise the occurrence of diabetes.
Cardiovascular disease
Diets that are high in carbohydrates, especially from high-starch and high-sugar foods, may increase the risk of cardiovascular disease.
average adult lulz
i'm sooooo far left of being average BAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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The food pyramid was created after the 2nd World war to try and get farmers producing again and filling peoples bellies with food, it has zero to do with eating for optimum health
Now they all pretty much push the mediterranean diet as optimal. Do you see any ulterior motives there?
There's this idea that vegetables work hormetically, that is they cause a little stress on the system that the body reacts to by building up it's own defences. Different herbs like curcumin are thought ti work this way, I think milk thistle too. I can believe it.
"Hormesis is a two-phased dose-response relationship to an environmental agent whereby low-dose amounts have a beneficial effect and high-dose amounts are either inhibitory to function or toxic.[1][2] Within the hormetic zone, the biological response to low-dose amounts of some stressors is generally favorable."
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Now they all pretty much push the mediterranean diet as optimal. Do you see any ulterior motives there?
There's this idea that vegetables work hormetically, that is they cause a little stress on the system that the body reacts to by building up it's own defences. Different herbs like curcumin are thought ti work this way, I think milk thistle too. I can believe it.
"Hormesis is a two-phased dose-response relationship to an environmental agent whereby low-dose amounts have a beneficial effect and high-dose amounts are either inhibitory to function or toxic.[1][2] Within the hormetic zone, the biological response to low-dose amounts of some stressors is generally favorable."
plants have evolved mechanisms over millions of years to stop themselves being eaten (apple seeds and Almonds contain cyanide) also look up oxalates...
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You got healthier because you lost weight. That improves all health markers. Most people get fat in middle age and a result their health and performance decline more than they otherwise would.
IMO the sweet spot for active people is 150-200 grams of carbs. The problem is that fat fvcks who don’t exercise eat 400g+. This results in weight gain and chronic high blood sugar which eventually leads to health issues.
Obviously, thats not a mystery. I think there are advantages to keto with inflamation and blood lipids too.
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8 min marathon pace, lolol 3.5 hours. Might as well stay home and watch TV- you'll get the same benefit.
Any sport that requires anaerobic glycolysis for peak performance falls flat on its face with keto. I raced as a Category 2 cyclist (elite level in the USA) before and after keto. Totally turned to shit on keto once we starting hitting 30+ mph efforts- literally because the carbs in my legs were depleted. In one race series after experiencing this, I immediately started carb loading at about 300+ grams per day and my performance skyrocketed- I was back in the top 10.
I just read an article about "climate change" fanatics who refuse to believe anything that questions their devotion to the cause, so no point in giving any data from PubMed. This would be like arguing with OAK :)
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8 min marathon pace, lolol 3.5 hours. Might as well stay home and watch TV- you'll get the same benefit.
Any sport that requires anaerobic glycolysis for peak performance falls flat on its face with keto. I raced as a Category 2 cyclist (elite level in the USA) before and after keto. Totally turned to shit on keto once we starting hitting 30+ mph efforts- literally because the carbs in my legs were depleted. In one race series after experiencing this, I immediately started carb loading at about 300+ grams per day and my performance skyrocketed- I was back in the top 10.
I just read an article about "climate change" fanatics who refuse to believe anything that questions their devotion to the cause, so no point in giving any data from PubMed. This would be like arguing with OAK :)
like i said 8 min pace BAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA A
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8 min marathon pace, lolol 3.5 hours. Might as well stay home and watch TV- you'll get the same benefit.
Any sport that requires anaerobic glycolysis for peak performance falls flat on its face with keto. I raced as a Category 2 cyclist (elite level in the USA) before and after keto. Totally turned to shit on keto once we starting hitting 30+ mph efforts- literally because the carbs in my legs were depleted. In one race series after experiencing this, I immediately started carb loading at about 300+ grams per day and my performance skyrocketed- I was back in the top 10.
I just read an article about "climate change" fanatics who refuse to believe anything that questions their devotion to the cause, so no point in giving any data from PubMed. This would be like arguing with OAK :)
This is gonna hurt some feelings.😂😂
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8 min marathon pace, lolol 3.5 hours. Might as well stay home and watch TV- you'll get the same benefit.
Any sport that requires anaerobic glycolysis for peak performance falls flat on its face with keto. I raced as a Category 2 cyclist (elite level in the USA) before and after keto. Totally turned to shit on keto once we starting hitting 30+ mph efforts- literally because the carbs in my legs were depleted. In one race series after experiencing this, I immediately started carb loading at about 300+ grams per day and my performance skyrocketed- I was back in the top 10.
I just read an article about "climate change" fanatics who refuse to believe anything that questions their devotion to the cause, so no point in giving any data from PubMed. This would be like arguing with OAK :)
so you placed 10th, well done.
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like i said 8 min pace BAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA A
It’s not bad for a recreational hobby jogger, but, to put it in perspective, the U.S Olympic trials qualifying standard is 2:18:00 which is about 3 minutes per mile faster.
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It’s not bad for a recreational hobby jogger, but, to put it in perspective, the U.S Olympic trials qualifying standard is 2:18:00 which is about 3 minutes per mile faster.
i have very high standards
anything slower than a 6 minute pace
SUCKS FUCKING ASS :D :D :D :D
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i have very high standards
anything slower than a 6 minute pace
SUCKS FUCKING ASS :D :D :D :D
Age graded I’m 6, but I’m old😢
Here are his results. He completely fell apart late. Obviously stopped to walk. His Instagram description of the race was BS.
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Age graded I’m 6, but I’m old😢
Here are his results. He completely fell apart late. Obviously stopped to walk. His Instagram description of the race was BS.
22:49 5k?
hahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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22:49 5k?
hahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Looking at his splits, he immediately started slowing down. His second 5K was slower than his first and it went downhill from there.
Horrible execution. Went out way too fast.
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Looking at his splits, he immediately started slowing down. His second 5K was slower than his first and it went downhill from there.
Horrible execution. Went out way too fast.
I could run a 5 k right now in under 21 minutes and I just started cardio training 4 days ago
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Warning to all Getbiggers:
Do not eat keto the day before you run a marathon.
Do not eat keto before your NFL game.
Do not eat keto the day before you go onstage at the Olympia.
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Warning to all Getbiggers:
Do not eat keto the day before you run a marathon.
Do not eat keto before your NFL game.
Do not eat keto the day before you go onstage at the Olympia.
He’s supposedly a performance coach. His performance in that race on a scale of 1 to 10: two is generous. And his depiction of his race is complete bullshit.
He should’ve said something to the effect of it being a rough day at the Houston Marathon, and that he went out too fast and fell apart. He claimed it was an easy Sunday run.😂😂😂
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I could run a 5 k right now in under 21 minutes and I just started cardio training 4 days ago
It’s not even so much the time. He’s a big guy, not built like your typical marathoner. But you run a distance race to hold the pace from start to finish. He immediately started to get slower. It’s understandable in the second half of the race but not right away. That’s a fail.
If anything, he’s an example of why you shouldn’t rely on Keto.
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I have just purchased The Endurance Diet and going to give it a go.
I very much like the expertise that The Keto Kid gives, and there's no doubting he looks better than 99% of the board.
But he also is on a hormonal optimization program, which I believe contributes to his success. Not a judgement, just my opinion.
Thin Lizzy's comments make sense to me, and more align to my goals, so I will see what happens here.
If I am not happy after a real attempt, I'll try the keto.
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I have just purchased The Endurance Diet and going to give it a go.
I very much like the expertise that The Keto Kid gives, and there's no doubting he looks better than 99% of the board.
But he also is on a hormonal optimization program, which I believe contributes to his success. Not a judgement, just my opinion.
He's a Go4it gimmick
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He's a Go4it gimmick
Go4it did not appear to have the legs KK does.
But what do I know?
Regardless, I like his posts, and he's always happy to help anyone who asks.
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Go4it did not appear to have the legs KK does.
But what do I know?
Regardless, I like his posts, and he's always happy to help anyone who asks.
Don’t get me wrong. When I’m trying to lose some body fat, Carbs have always been the macro I target. I got it from the old school 1970s bodybuilders when I first started lifting. It works.
I’m just saying there is a performance downside to long term Keto. Major Domo articulated it well in his post.
Also, for most, it’s too restrictive to do all the time. I don’t want to be the guy at a party who can’t have a piece of cake because I’m on Keto.
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I have just purchased The Endurance Diet and going to give it a go.
I very much like the expertise that The Keto Kid gives, and there's no doubting he looks better than 99% of the board.
But he also is on a hormonal optimization program, which I believe contributes to his success. Not a judgement, just my opinion.
Thin Lizzy's comments make sense to me, and more align to my goals, so I will see what happens here.
If I am not happy after a real attempt, I'll try the keto.
I've never tried keto off gear.
I reckon if you're used to looking thick, it might take too much water out.
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Don’t get me wrong. When I’m trying to lose some body fat, Carbs have always been the macro I target. I got it from the old school 1970s bodybuilders when I first started lifting. It works.
I’m just saying there is a performance downside to long term Keto. Major Domo articulated it well in his post.
Also, for most, it’s too restrictive to do all the time. I don’t want to be the guy at a party who can’t have a piece of cake because I’m on Keto.
mentzer ate 80-90% carbs for his precontest diet
so keto is blow4it
interesting
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mentzer ate 80-90% carbs for his precontest diet
so keto is blow4it
Keto has posted pics that were not consistent with what Go4it did, unless Go4it got quad implants or was doing something massively wrong originally
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Keto has posted pics that were not consistent with what Go4it did, unless Go4it got quad implants or was doing something massively wrong originally
Go4it was on a very low fat diet for like a decade which caused his test levels to plummet. He was a 160lbs natty with test levels of a 13 year old girl.
He then went on "TRT" developed a bad case of gyno and switched to keto to help control his gyno. He stopped posting around that time too as people were busting his balls hard about it and I think someone doxxed him. He then started doing bhanky approved "TRT" and started posting as keto kid.
I could easily provide evidence that it's his gimmick, but for whatever reason he wants to carry on with this ruse after I called him out on it. I'll leave things up in the air and let him carry on.
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Keto has posted pics that were not consistent with what Go4it did, unless Go4it got quad implants or was doing something massively wrong originally
i gained 6.5 lean pounds to my quads in 10 weeks full natty back in the day so why couldnt he do this ???
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Go4it was on a very low fat diet for like a decade which caused his test levels to plummet. He was a 160lbs natty with test levels of a 13 year old girl.
He then went on "TRT" developed a bad case of gyno and switched to keto to help control his gyno. He stopped posting around that time too as people were busting his balls hard about it and I think someone doxxed him. He then started doing bhanky approved "TRT" and started posting as keto kid.
I could easily provide evidence that it's his gimmick, but for whatever reason he wants to carry on with this ruse after I called him out on it. I'll leave things up in the air and let him carry on.
Its a completely different person, totally different physique and posting style
Royaltyesque post of peace
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Its a completely different person, totally different physique and posting style
Royaltyesque post of peace
PM sent. I'll wait for my apology and flowers
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His legs are too big. Also, Stallone is never talked about. Not him.
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PM sent. I'll wait for my apology and flowers
Sorry pal, should called GH4it, plus 1 gram a week
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i gained 6.5 lean pounds to my quads in 10 weeks full natty back in the day so why couldnt he do this ???
Because he didn't do legs.
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Keto has posted pics that were not consistent with what Go4it did, unless Go4it got quad implants or was doing something massively wrong originally
KK is fucking jacked......real good build from what I`ve seen.
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I liked Keto in the Green Hornet.
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I liked Keto in the Green Hornet.
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I liked Keto in the Green Hornet.
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LOL!
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Anyone tried it?
Yes.
Did you legitimately stay in ketosis throughout? (ie confirmed by a testing kit).
Yes, I test my blood ketone levels at home occasionally, just out of curiosity. It's not necessary because I keep my carbs below 20g per day and my protein at no more than 40% of my total daily calories. It would be difficult for me not to be in ketosis as long as I continue to eat this way.
How long did you go for
I've been on a very meat heavy, keto diet consistently for 4 years and 3 months.
what results did you observe?
Triglycerides dropped and HDL increased significantly.
Blood pressure dropped and has stayed normal, thus finally reversing years of borderline hypertension.
Skin tags, a sign of insulin resistance, gone.
Low fasting glucose, low fasting insulin, and low A1C.
Gained muscle without changing anything else, probably the result of eating only animal-based protein while eliminating foods that decrease protein absorption.
Lost over 30 pounds of fat very easily, with very little exercise. I started keto for health reasons, not to lose weight. The weight loss is a welcome benefit.
Improved body composition, losing inches in all the right places even if losing little to no more weight. I have had to donate my entire wardrove and buy new clothes twice the past four years.
Serious digestive issues resolved.
Serious acid reflux, to the point of causing esophagus damage, gone.
Far less frequent common cold infections.
Had terrible allergies, taking two daily medications year round. Haven’t had allergies or taken medication the past 4+ years.
Used to have trouble sleeping, and had very little energy throughout the day. Sleep is so much better now, and have so much energy during the day I stopped drinking coffee.
When lifting, I feel stronger and more energetic than ever. However, I make sure to drink 1,000mg sodium in 22oz distilled water right before my workouts. It makes a huge difference.
Snoring decreased significantly.
Mental fog replaced with consistent mental clarity throughout the day.
Stress and anxiety decreased significantly.
Back and joint pain relief, to the point I rarely take ibuprofen now. Used to take ibuprofen daily.
Improved dental health, whiter teeth and less plaque build up.
No more gas and bloating.
I have been able to maintain my excess body fat loss for over 4 years on keto, with very little to no cardio exercise. Eating low fat, high carb, high fiber, moderate protein for decades, I was never able to maintain any weight loss longer than 6 to 8 months even doing lots of cardio in addition to lifting.
Hunger and cravings are gone. I ate only one meal a day on keto for years with no problems. Now I eat 3 meals a day plus 1 snack because that seems to work better for me.
Now for the first time in my life, I totally enjoy every single food that I eat every single time. That's very liberating and much more enjoyable than eating low fat, high fiber, vegetables, grilled skinless chicken breasts, egg whites...gross. I can't believe I ate like that for decades before finally trying meat heavy keto.
I don't get sunburn anymore. I don't know why. Maybe it's because of increased cholesterol under my skin which is very important for vitamin D production when exposed to the afternoon sun.
I don't get bit by mosquitoes anymore. I don't know why. Maybe the mosquito species I've been around don't like the ketone smell.
Of all the diets I have tried over the years, this one has been by far the safest, most effective, most beneficial, and most delicious of all. That is how I've been able to sustain this consistently for so long.
Good luck to you!
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The idea that you’re mentally sharper on ketosis makes no sense. If that were the case, why aren’t ketones the default fuel source for the brain with glucose being the back up as opposed to the other way around?
Clinical review: Ketones and brain injury
"Although much feared by clinicians, the ability to produce ketones has allowed humans to withstand prolonged periods of starvation. At such times, ketones can supply up to 50% of basal energy requirements. More interesting, however, is the fact that ketones can provide as much as 70% of the brain's energy needs, more efficiently than glucose. Studies suggest that during times of acute brain injury, cerebral uptake of ketones increases significantly."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3219306/
Ketone Bodies and Brain Metabolism
"In summary, nutritional regimens (KDs and ketotherapeutic supplements) that generate increased KBs in plasma and the brain (ketosis) appear to have substantial potential to improve neuronal processes, such as mitochondrial metabolism, cell signaling, and neurotransmitter function. Additionally, KDs can reduce oxidative stress, inflammation, and toxicity, which can increase neural network stability and thereby improve cognitive function. There is a growing body of evidence supporting the benefits of KBs for some neurological conditions."
https://neuro.psychiatryonline.org/doi/10.1176/appi.neuropsych.20230017
The Role of Ketogenic Diet in the Treatment of Neurological Diseases
"More than a hundred years of studies on the ketogenic diet’s effect on neurological diseases (starting with epilepsy) means that they belong to the main fields of research related to the therapeutic potential of the diet. This results from its very wide, pleiotropic effect on the body as well as from a number of (including those not yet known) mechanisms of action on the nervous system. Its favourable activity in neurological diseases, demonstrated in clinical studies, is related to the following: reducing the production of reactive oxygen species (ROS); reducing neuronal inflammatory conditions; the reconstruction of neuronal myelin sheaths; the repair of damaged mitochondria and the formation of new mitochondria and, thus, the effect on the disturbed neuronal metabolism in a number of neurological diseases; the provision of an alternative energy source for neurons in the form of ketone bodies; a reduction in glucose and insulin concentrations; the induction of autophagy; the reduction of microglia stimulation; the reduction of the excitatory postsynaptic current (EPSC) through action on voltage-dependent Ca2+ channels (VDCC); intestinal microbiota modulation and gene expression (epigenetic origin); assistance in the production of indispensable dopamine; and an increase in glutamine conversion into the neurotransmitter GABA. Together, with all the mentioned mechanisms, it is not surprising that the ketogenic diet in clinical studies shows a favourable effect on a number of neurological diseases, including epilepsy, Alzheimer’s disease (AD), Parkinson’s disease (PD), multiple sclerosis (MS) and migraine, which has been demonstrated in this paper."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9739023/
Effects of Ketogenic Diet on Neuroinflammation in Neurodegenerative Diseases
"In this review, we detail the physiological basis of the KD, its functions in regulating neuroinflammation, and its protective role in normal brain aging and neurodegenerative diseases, such as Alzheimer’s disease (AD), Parkinson’s disease (PD), amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS), and Huntington’s disease (HD).
Recently, emerging evidence has underlined both pathophysiological and clinical benefits of KD in neurodegenerative diseases, indicating that KD is a possible treatment option for neurological illnesses [15]. KD can exert protective effects by modulating multiple neuroinflammatory pathways [16,17].
While there is still a long way to go, the prominent effects of KD suggest its use as a new therapeutic target and strategy for neurodegenerative disorders."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9286903/
Actually, ketones are the default fuel source for the brain when consuming little to no carbs, whether by fasting (fasting ketosis) or by eating a keto diet (nutritional ketosis). This was pretty normal for most humans for thousands of years, before the invention of agriculture.
The body can't make protein or fat, but it can make it's own glucose even when consuming zero carbs. The body can store huge amounts of fat, and it has a large source of amino acids from our muscles and other tissues, but carb (glycogen) stores are very small.
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You sound like a converted born again Christian bro
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You sound like a converted born again Christian bro
Yeah, so? It's the sound of freedom, freedom from the food industry and big pharma.
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Who are these triathletes? This is one of the top gels for endurance.
You don’t seem to understand. Once you get into the 80% VOmax range, fat use as a fuel falls off a cliff and glucose becomes the preferred fuel source out of necessity.
As was said , Keto is almost like a religion and its advocates can’t accept this reality.
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Many athletes, not on a keto diet, take this too: Ketone Ester
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From triathlete.com
What Are Exogenous Ketone Supplements?
"A series of studies conducted by Dr. Kieran Clarke shows exogenous ketones have a “CHO sparing effect.” The authors hypothesize that exogenous ketone usage reduces the body’s reliance on CHO as a fuel source to produce ATP, but increases fats as the fuel source in trained athletes. In the study, the trained athletes who drank a ketone-CHO mix went 2% further during a cycling time trial than those who drank a CHO-only mix. While this is not large for the majority of age-group athletes and was not seen in untrained athletes, the 2% improvement is significant for high-performing age-group athletes and elites. At the highest levels of endurance sports, winning could be a difference of less than a second.
Another potential enhancement from exogenous ketones is an improved recovery. A series of studies (Holdsworth et al., 2017, Vandoorne et al., 2017, Poffe et al., 2019) showed that if a trained athlete takes the proper amount of CHO and protein post-workout with a ketone monoester (as recommended by the manufacturer), recovery time was improved. The hypothesis behind this phenomenon is two-fold. The first aspect of the hypothesis is that ketones have an anti-oxidant effect by scavenging free radicals caused by exercise. As a result, muscle repair will occur more rapidly by eliminating the free radicals, and ATP production pathways are less likely to be blunted. The second aspect of the hypothesis is that the “glucose sparing” effect means the glucose stores do not need to be replenished as much. In short, less fuel and less time must be filled to repeat workouts.
The performance enhancements of exogenous ketones sound impressive. However, they are not for everyone. The performance improvement and recovery only appear to be seen in well-trained athletes, not untrained athletes. This means that a novice triathlete will not see these performance improvements. Additionally, the performance enhancements are only seen in certain well-trained athletes."
https://www.triathlete.com/nutrition/what-are-exogenous-ketones/
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I believe I stand corrected on the now QueerOKid / GoFagIt issue.
But still appreciate the info he posts.
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I believe I stand corrected on the KK / GoFagIt issue.
But still appreciate the info he posts.
yep, its him
He claimed natty for a while, certainly cant claim that now, maybe thast why hes anonymous
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Gayforshits taste in females was/is atrocious
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I believe I stand corrected on the now QueerOKid / GoFagIt issue.
But still appreciate the info he posts.
;D
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You got healthier because you lost weight. That improves all health markers. Most people get fat in middle age and a result their health and performance decline more than they otherwise would.
IMO the sweet spot for active people is 150-200 grams of carbs. The problem is that fat fvcks who don’t exercise eat 400g+. This results in weight gain and chronic high blood sugar which eventually leads to health issues.
That's true for low fat diets, but not true for low carb diets. There are many mechanisms by which a very low carb diet improves health, independent of weight loss:
Dietary carbohydrate restriction improves metabolic syndrome independent of weight loss
"Metabolic syndrome (MetS) is highly correlated with obesity and cardiovascular risk, but the importance of dietary carbohydrate independent of weight loss in MetS treatment remains controversial.
Despite maintaining body mass, low-carbohydrate (LC) intake enhanced fat oxidation and was more effective in reversing MetS, especially high triglycerides, low HDL-C, and the small LDL subclass phenotype. Carbohydrate restriction also improved abnormal fatty acid composition, an emerging MetS feature. Despite containing 2.5 times more saturated fat than the high-carbohydrate diet, an LC diet decreased plasma total saturated fat and palmitoleate and increased arachidonate.
Consistent with the perspective that MetS is a pathologic state that manifests as dietary carbohydrate intolerance, these results show that compared with eucaloric high-carbohydrate intake, LC/high-fat diets benefit MetS independent of whole-body or fat mass."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6629108/
Carbohydrate restriction improves the features of Metabolic Syndrome. Metabolic Syndrome may be defined by the response to carbohydrate restriction
"Carbohydrate restriction is one of several strategies for reducing body mass but even in the absence of weight loss or in comparison with low fat alternatives, CHO restriction is effective at ameliorating high fasting glucose and insulin, high plasma triglycerides (TAG), low HDL and high blood pressure."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1323303/
Dietary carbohydrate restriction in type 2 diabetes mellitus and metabolic syndrome: time for a critical appraisal
"The finding that lipid improvements seen in carbohydrate-restricted diets persist even after no further weight loss (Figure (Figure2)2) suggests that the benefit of carbohydrate restriction is independent of weight loss. Two additional lines of evidence support this idea:
1. In experiments in which body mass is kept constant in normal-weight men[56]or patients with type 2 diabetes[11,13], a very low carbohydrate diet resulted in dramatic improvements in triglycerides and HDL cholesterol with minimal change in body mass.
2, Experiments in which change in macronutrients and weight loss are separated in time show that eucaloric carbohydrate reduction leads to greater improvement in atherogenic lipid markers (TG, HDL, apoB/apoA1 and mean LDL particle size) even in the presence of higher saturated fat[57,58]. A low fat diet, however, required weight loss to achieve effective improvement in the lipid profile (Figure (Figure3).3). Notably, the sum of the two effects showed that eucaloric carbohydrate restriction plus weight loss was more effective than eucaloric low fat plus weight loss."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2359752/
Low carbohydrate diets improve atherogenic dyslipidemia even in the absence of weight loss
"Compared to weight loss on a LF diet, the high saturated fat CR diet with no weight loss resulted in better improvements in LDL peak size, TAG, HDL, and the ratios total cholesterol/HDL and apoB/ApoA-1, that is, the effects are not equivalent; CR is significantly better than weight loss in the presence of LF for atherogenic dyslipidemia."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1488852/
Long-Term Effects of a Novel Continuous Remote Care Intervention Including Nutritional Ketosis for the Management of Type 2 Diabetes: A 2-Year Non-randomized Clinical Trial
"Three non-pharmaceutical approaches have demonstrated high rates of at least temporary T2D diabetes reversal or remission: bariatric surgery, very low calorie diets (VLCD), and nutritional ketosis achieved through carbohydrate restriction (8–10). In controlled clinical trials, each approach has demonstrated improved glycemic control and CVD risk factors, reduced pharmaceutical dependence, and weight loss. The three approaches show a similar time-course with glycemic control preceding weight loss by weeks or months, suggesting potential overlap of mechanisms (11, 12)."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6561315/
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A very low calorie diet or ketosis will produce weight loss almost immediately. How could the health benefits precede the weight loss by months?
These arguments are completely divorced from reality. The standard American fat fuck Diet is not high carb, low fat. It’s high everything. So, if a fat fuck went on a low carb diet, he wouldn’t replace the carbs with fats he would lower both.
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The pic Keto Kid posted earlier with the juicy glutes in spandex was very go4it esque.
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A very low calorie diet or ketosis will produce weight loss almost immediately. How could the health benefits precede the weight loss by months?
These arguments are completely divorced from reality. The standard American fat fuck Diet is not high carb, low fat. It’s high everything. So, if a fat fuck went on a low carb diet, he wouldn’t replace the carbs with fats he would lower both.
THIS
You have to lower calories or increase calorie expenditure or both to lose weight no other way around it
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You can get health benefits from "keto" and NEVER lose a pound. Just being in "ketosis" does NOT mean you are losing bodyfat! It just means you are breaking down fat into ketones for energy and whats nice is if you don't burn them up you simply piss them out. NO storage!! Glucose ( carbs) doesn't work like that. If you don't burn them they get stored . So you can be eating on a keto diet more calories than you burn and not lose any weight until you cut the calories down specifically for weight loss but you will still get the health benefits of keto. So yes the health benefits can indeed come before weight loss.
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You can get health benefits from "keto" and NEVER lose a pound. Just being in "ketosis" does NOT mean you are losing bodyfat! It just means you are breaking down fat into ketones for energy and whats nice is if you don't burn them up you simply piss them out. NO storage!! Glucose ( carbs) doesn't work like that. If you don't burn them they get stored . So you can be eating on a keto diet more calories than you burn and not lose any weight until you cut the calories down specifically for weight loss but you will still get the health benefits of keto. So yes the health benefits can indeed come before weight loss.
I find it had to over eat if I drop carbs, I just cant eat enough to get fat (im not a big eater)
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I find it had to over eat if I drop carbs, I just cant eat enough to get fat (im not a big eater)
Given that Protein is self limiting, I don’t see how you can have a caloric surplus on Zero carbs without force feeding.
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Given that Protein is self limiting, I don’t see how you can have a caloric surplus on Zero carbs without force feeding.
on keto you shoud be looking at 40% fat as a minimum
Lean protein does not sustain life without fats, you can stuff down 10k cals a day of fat free lean meat and you will starve to death
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i'm the leanest an driest guy in this site and i eat lots o carbs ;)
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i'm the leanest an driest guy in this site and i eat lots o carbs ;)
I thought you said you ate fuck all?
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I thought you said you ate fuck all?
coz im going back to 4-5%
once im there i can eat tons o carbs and stay ripped and dry as long as cals stay at maintance
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coz im going back to 4-5%
once im there i can eat tons o carbs and stay ripped and dry as long as cals stay at maintance
you need to define "tons"
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you need to define "tons"
4-500 carb grams
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Ketones have to be utilized to make ATP in the Mitochondria via the Krebs Cycle and Electron Transport Chain. So, they’re essentially a substitute for fats not carbohydrates which can synthesize ATP by being partially broken down outside of the Mitochondria.
It’s a much faster process with the downside being that it can’t be maintained for very long. That’s why the body uses anaerobic respiration for high intensity activities.
Apparently, Layne still stops by. He just posted this on his IG page:
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4-500 carb grams
thats 2k cals
What about your protein and fats?
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thats 2k cals
What about your protein and fats?
i only "need" bout 100 pro grams
the fat is the fat in 2% milk and salmon
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i only "need" bout 100 pro grams
the fat is the fat in 2% milk and salmon
400 cals protien and then you seem to be drinking semi skimmed milk as well
so hardly any fat and 2400 cals weighing 150lbs
You may gain fat on that.
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400 cals protien and then you seem to be drinking semi skimmed milk as well
so hardly any fat and 2400 cals weighing 150lbs
You may gain fat on that.
i was a dipshit as i was drinkining fully carb loaded energy drinks 1+ liter a day
woke up and realized BUY FUCKING ZERO ENERGY DRINKS
so i just did
now my cals will be under 1000
breakkie=1 liter 2% milk
din-din=250 grams ckick breast and half carrot and small potatoe
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i was a dipshit as i was drinkining fully carb loaded energy drinks 1+ liter a day
woke up and realized BUY FUCKING ZERO ENERGY DRINKS
so i just did
now my cals will be under 1000
breakkie=1 liter 2% milk
din-din=250 grams ckick breast and half carrot and small potatoe
I thought you could eat a fuck load of carbs and be fine?
You are now on ignore , save me reading your fucking cack
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I thought you could eat a fuck load of carbs and be fine?
You are now on ignore , save me reading your fucking cack
Would ignore due to the meal terminology alone.
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Would ignore due to the meal terminology alone.
:) :) :)
march 31st
4-5% 28 inch waist 16 inch arm gain of 7-10 pounds of pure lean dry muscle ;)
fuck i'm looking good already
cant wait to throw in the primo
FUCK YEAH!!!
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A very low calorie diet or ketosis will produce weight loss almost immediately. How could the health benefits precede the weight loss by months?
These arguments are completely divorced from reality. The standard American fat fuck Diet is not high carb, low fat. It’s high everything. So, if a fat fuck went on a low carb diet, he wouldn’t replace the carbs with fats he would lower both.
That's not true for many people. Many people, like the people in that one study, are very sick. They have diabetes and other medical conditions, some of them undiagnosed when they first start the diet. Many of them are on a ton of medications too.
Some medical conditions (diabetes, hypothyroidism, polycystic ovary syndrome, menopause, depression, Cushing syndrome, etc.) and some medications (diabetes medications, antidepressants, antipsychotics, corticosteroids, anti-seizure medications, etc.) will make it very difficult for these people to lose weight in the beginning even while in ketosis and even on a very low calorie diet.
Doctors have to tweak their diet and medications, run tests and in some cases diagnose and treat new medical conditions. There can be a period of trial and error when adjusting the diet and medications. Yes, this can take weeks to months before these people finally start to lose weight while in ketosis or on a very low calorie diet. In the meantime, these people have shown to get healthier and enjoy many of the benefits of nutritional ketosis before weight loss.
Then there are the other studies I linked where people were kept at maintenance calories to intentionally prevent weight loss. These people too got healthier on a keto diet independent of weight loss.
Over many years, many people who are already at their ideal body weight have gone on a ketogenic diet, not to lose weight, but to treat epilepsy, diabetes, prediabetes, insulin resistance, acid reflux (GERD), polycystic ovarian syndrome (PCOS), Hypertension, non-alcoholic fatty liver disease (NAFLD), irritable bowel syndrome, glycogen storage disease, traumatic brain injury, etc.. These people get healthier and enjoy the many benefits of a keto diet independent of weight loss.
Some people who are too skinny and malnourished, due to severe digestive issues, have gone on a very meat heavy keto or carnivore diet to gain weight. These people gain weight, get healthier, and enjoy many of the benefits of nutritional ketosis independent of weight loss.
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Apparently, Layne still stops by. He just posted this on his IG page:
So how do you measure training intensity in anaerobic exercise?
Once I get past the initial "hanger" of going off carbs and utilizing fat for energy Ive never had a problem with training intensity.
VO2 max would best be measured in aerobic activity. I don't really see an optimal way to lift a weight, for the ammount of time necessary in order to measure VO2. In fact I was just watching Hubermans interview with Oeter Attia and Attia was basically saying the same thing.
Yeah, when you're muscles are initially depleted , its very hard to summon high levels of intensity but after that, when you're in ketosis and using fat efficiently, my intensity has not suffered.
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LOL @ a glass of milk for breakfast! ;D
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So how do you measure training intensity in anaerobic exercise?
It’s pretty easy actually- most benchmarks for anaerobic glycolysis use 4 millimoles of free lactate in your blood. That’s approximately the point you feel burning in your muscles. Of course unless you use one of the new blood lactate monitors you wouldn’t know exactly what the level is so most people have used the Conconi method whereby you use pulse rate as a proxy. For a fit aerobic athlete the lactate threshold or “passing zone” occurs around 93% of max pulse.
Anaerobic glycolysis reaches a peak for maximum efforts of 45 seconds to one minute- a very common effort in sports such as bicycle racing and track running. If you are on keto your max power for those efforts drops like a rock and you will be gassed after just a few repeats.
Keto has a lot of benefits for sedentary people -but not for high output aerobic athletes. Other than early season fat loss.
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LOL @ a glass of milk for breakfast! ;D
liter of milk 30 grams of pro 3 grams leucine and canned pineapple BABY
20 pounds of pure muscle in 8 months ;)
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liter of milk 30 grams of pro 3 grams leucine and canned pineapple BABY
20 pounds of pure muscle in 8 months ;)
canned food is garbage
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canned food is garbage
Depends what it's for. It's good to have easy access to pineapple, so the canned version perfect. It's not really about the nutritional benefits, it's more a thoughtful gesture for a lady friend.
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liter of milk 30 grams of pro 3 grams leucine and canned pineapple BABY
20 pounds of pure muscle in 8 months ;)
Yeah OK Ace couple that with your Ramen noodles and you should blow up from within. LOL ;D
IDIOT!!
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Are we calling marathons at 8:18 pace "performance" in this thread?
I could roll off the couch and do that and I run about five miles per week.
Maybe if he ate a few carbs like a normal runner he could crack 8:00 and/or wouldn't need to stop and walk.
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Yeah OK Ace couple that with your Ramen noodles and you should blow up from within. LOL ;D
IDIOT!!
;D
breakkie=liter of milk canned pineapple
post wo meal=double 1/4 with cheese and water
din-din=150 gram chick breast small potatoe
meal 4=100 gram chick breast 100 gram salmon small potatoe canned pineapple
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Are we calling marathons at 8:18 pace "performance" in this thread?
I could roll off the couch and do that and I run about five miles per week.
Maybe if he ate a few carbs like a normal runner he could crack 8:00 and/or wouldn't need to stop and walk.
if you cant run 6 min miles you sucks ass
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Are we calling marathons at 8:18 pace "performance" in this thread?
I could roll off the couch and do that and I run about five miles per week.
Maybe if he ate a few carbs like a normal runner he could crack 8:00 and/or wouldn't need to stop and walk.
Been reading that it's better to go slower during the runs for fat loss.
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Tried to PM Thin Lizzy but it was blocked for some reason:
Started reading the endurance diet.
I am only about 15 min in, but it's already evident I don't eat enough. The good news is, I follow the other tenets pretty well, and it seems as simple as adding a good complex carb to about 3 meals.
I'm very interested to see where this goes.
Thanks for posting it.
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Been reading that it's better to go slower during the runs for fat loss.
I think that's only circumstantially true and depends on if it's the total calories from fat burned (seems important) or the % of the total from fat (who cares?), but I'm not an exercise physiologist.
https://www.livestrong.com/article/540164-do-you-burn-more-fat-running-fast-or-slow/
Higher-intensity exercise is better for losing fat because it uses more calories per minute…If you burn more calories, you will lose more fat than if you burn fewer calories. Lower intensity exercise is only better for fat loss if you exercise long enough to make up for the lower number of calories used per minute
During a race where he's bragging about his pace, I doubt fat loss was his goal anyway, he went out too hard and bonked.
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Tried to PM Thin Lizzy but it was blocked for some reason:
Started reading the endurance diet.
I am only about 15 min in, but it's already evident I don't eat enough. The good news is, I follow the other tenets pretty well, and it seems as simple as adding a good complex carb to about 3 meals.
I'm very interested to see where this goes.
Thanks for posting it.
Are you really doing that much cardio? High level marathoners can peak at over 100 miles a week. Cyclists do several hours a day of aerobic base work.
Lifters burn very few calories by comparison.
I do 40min on the treadmill, my shirt is soaked whereas a lifting session in the same room and I’m hardly sweating.
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This is the staple of Kenyan distance runners:
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Are you really doing that much cardio? High level marathoners can peak at over 100 miles a week. Cyclists do several hours a day of aerobic base work.
Lifters burn very few calories by comparison.
I do 40min on the treadmill, my shirt is soaked whereas a lifting in the same room and hardly sweating.
No, and am only starting to ramp back up due to being in a walking boot for 3 months.
But once I am 100%, I am very active, mixing conditioning, rucking and running, in addition to playing sports in season. I was definitely under eating for sure.
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It’s pretty easy actually- most benchmarks for anaerobic glycolysis use 4 millimoles of free lactate in your blood. That’s approximately the point you feel burning in your muscles. Of course unless you use one of the new blood lactate monitors you wouldn’t know exactly what the level is so most people have used the Conconi method whereby you use pulse rate as a proxy. For a fit aerobic athlete the lactate threshold or “passing zone” occurs around 93% of max pulse.
Anaerobic glycolysis reaches a peak for maximum efforts of 45 seconds to one minute- a very common effort in sports such as bicycle racing and track running. If you are on keto your max power for those efforts drops like a rock and you will be gassed after just a few repeats.
Keto has a lot of benefits for sedentary people -but not for high output aerobic athletes. Other than early season fat loss.
Ok, I appreciate the detailed information.
But muscular growth is going to be accomplished with progressive overload, as long as you're consuming enough calories. And intensity is generally accepted, in layman's terms, as going to failure and coming within 1 or 2 reps of failure is sufficient.
So optmal intensity isn't necessarily maximal intensity.
And, my own personal experience with Keto is that when I am using it, my joints feel incredible, I have better energy and no brain fog.
Typically after 6 months or a year of following a low carb diet I will inevitably switch to a more high carb low fat diet. And the first week or two is great. Your muscles swell up like balloons but after those first 2 weeks I look bloated, lose any sign of abs and then generally start to feel like shit too.
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Ok, I appreciate the detailed information.
But muscular growth is going to be accomplished with progressive overload, as long as you're consuming enough calories. And intensity is generally accepted, in layman's terms, as going to failure and coming within 1 or 2 reps of failure is sufficient.
So optmal intensity isn't necessarily maximal intensity.
And, my own personal experience with Keto is that when I am using it, my joints feel incredible, I have better energy and no brain fog.
Typically after 6 months or a year of following a low carb diet I will inevitably switch to a more high carb low fat diet. And the first week or two is great. Your muscles swell up like balloons but after those first 2 weeks I look bloated, lose any sign of abs and then generally start to feel like shit too.
after 15 months dieting last year and 22 I just avoided anything I had been eating, dropped pretty much a bodybuilding diet from November up until a couple weeks ago.
I was sick of the lifestyle
I added more carbs than normal during my pre-contest phase to try and assist training , carbing up and such than I would nornally do on my carnivore diet.
Im back to around 70% carnivore and feel better for it, still eating oats and a few potatoes and a bit of rice.
I dont think carnovore is the optimum diet for bodybuilding but its so much easier to maintain your physique as there is no need to calorie count or macro count.
im not a big eater so maybe some greedy twats could over eat on fats but you cant overeat protein
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This pic essentially tells the story:
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This pic essentially tells the story:
is it a "whodonenit"?
Give me a clue...
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is it a "whodonenit"?
Give me a clue...
Basically as you move up the intensity ladder, fat oxidation decreases and glucose oxidation increases. At the top end you’re running, mainly on glucose.
Soccer is game with a lot of quick anaerobic bursts. What Major Domo said about gassing after a few reps would hold true here as well. Thus, the typical soccer diet:
https://www.livestrong.com/article/421225-what-do-professional-soccer-players-eat/
Carbohydrates are also key on game day, especially before the event. Manchester United and England striker Wayne Rooney consumes a sugary cereal and a banana before a morning game. He'll top that off with cereal bars and energy gels that are offered in the stadium dressing room. The International Association Football Federation, or FIFA, notes that eating too few carbohydrates immediately before a match can be the downfall of many players. FIFA suggests that elite players consume cereal, pancakes, baked beans and toast or yogurt before a match
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Basically as you move up the intensity ladder, fat oxidation decreases and glucose oxidation increases. At the top end you’re running, mainly on glucose.
Soccer is game with a lot of quick anaerobic bursts. What Major Domo said about gassing after a few reps would hold true here as well. Thus, the typical soccer diet:
https://www.livestrong.com/article/421225-what-do-professional-soccer-players-eat/
Carbohydrates are also key on game day, especially before the event. Manchester United and England striker Wayne Rooney consumes a sugary cereal and a banana before a morning game. He'll top that off with cereal bars and energy gels that are offered in the stadium dressing room. The International Association Football Federation, or FIFA, notes that eating too few carbohydrates immediately before a match can be the downfall of many players. FIFA suggests that elite players consume cereal, pancakes, baked beans and toast or yogurt before a match
(https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/VP-SPORT-GRAPHIC-RONALDO-MENU-v3-e1661507938625.jpg)
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riigghhttt......these two are the same age....
Ronaldo is probably the greatest all round player that ever lived and is still one of the best in the world at 39, doesnt look like many carbs in there
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https://www.goal.com/en-us/news/cristiano-ronaldo-diet-workout-fitness-regime-real-madrid/1ez74ip78o20715bzr1947rwhi
I eat a high protein diet, with lots of wholegrain carbs, fruit and vegetables, and avoid sugary foods."
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Rooney probably pounds more beers I'd wager.
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https://www.goal.com/en-us/news/cristiano-ronaldo-diet-workout-fitness-regime-real-madrid/1ez74ip78o20715bzr1947rwhi
I eat a high protein diet, with lots of wholegrain carbs, fruit and vegetables, and avoid sugary foods."
He also wears a sportsbra
(https://assets.goal.com/v3/assets/bltcc7a7ffd2fbf71f5/blt72336f97100a8e7d/657ee4cebfadf6040aeed35c/GOAL_-_Blank_WEB_-_Facebook_(96).jpg?auto=webp&format=pjpg&width=1080&quality=60)
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He also wears a sportsbra
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lol - and paints his nails. probably while munching on toast :)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-11991019/Cristiano-Ronaldos-BIZARRE-health-routines-including-nail-painting-mini-meals.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-11991019/Cristiano-Ronaldos-BIZARRE-health-routines-including-nail-painting-mini-meals.html)
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He also wears a sportsbra
(https://assets.goal.com/v3/assets/bltcc7a7ffd2fbf71f5/blt72336f97100a8e7d/657ee4cebfadf6040aeed35c/GOAL_-_Blank_WEB_-_Facebook_(96).jpg?auto=webp&format=pjpg&width=1080&quality=60)
thats a vest that holds the heart monitors and step counters they now wear at all matches.
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Rooney probably pounds more beers old slappers I'd wager.
fixed
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Tried to PM Thin Lizzy but it was blocked for some reason:
Maybe his boys are back in town?
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He also wears a sportsbra
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He should be ashamed.
Maybe his boys are back in town?
😂😂
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eating sword fish every day is a good way to get mercury poisoning
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The BBC giving it's stamp to high carb
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-68308809
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eating sword fish every day is a good way to get mercury poisoning
I'm sure his nutritionist has him eating or supplementing turmeric.
The BBC giving it's stamp to high carb
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-68308809
George Farah approved
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lol - and paints his nails. probably while munching on toast :)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-11991019/Cristiano-Ronaldos-BIZARRE-health-routines-including-nail-painting-mini-meals.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-11991019/Cristiano-Ronaldos-BIZARRE-health-routines-including-nail-painting-mini-meals.html)
Those toes get a good workout at team shots:
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Mike mentzer says
Carbs fuel muscle contractions
Yep yep
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Apparently, Layne still stops by. He just posted this on his IG page:
(https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=690900.0;attach=1492158;image)
Keto has a lot of benefits for sedentary people -but not for high output aerobic athletes. Other than early season fat loss.
Fueled only with fatty steaks, no carbs.
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Not sure Baker's natural.
Hard to tell.
Looks vastly different in pics too.
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Not sure Baker's natural.
Hard to tell.
Looks vastly different in pics too.
Everybody’s on steroids
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Not sure Baker's natural.
Hard to tell.
Looks vastly different in pics too.
He may or may not be natural. The point is that he's very strong and very active, and he eats no carbs.
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Dietary fat adaptation:
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tried it in th past and that shit dont work for me
i get even flatter
so... fuck dat noise!!!
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tried it in th past and that shit dont work for me
i get even flatter
so... fuck dat noise!!!
Fair enough. Stick to what works best for you.
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About 2 months ago I went to a virtually 0 carb diet, probably 50/50 fat protein. Started with a 5 day fast (have done many fasts in the past). Feeling pretty good, went from 220 to 210 (pretty lean to begin with). No calorie restriction
I stopped bodybuilding about 5 years ago (320 at my heaviest, have done it all drug and dose wise) and ride mountain bikes now, about 100 miles per week.
Most of the time I'm at about .6 mmol Ketone and 85 blood glucose according to Keto Mojo which puts be in "mild ketosis"
After a 3 hour bike ride my ketone is around 3.5 mmol and blood glucose still around 85 which is moderate to deep ketosis
Ketone levels vary alot based on activity, more active = higher ketone blood levels which makes total sense since more fuel is needed during activity.
I have sweet tooth and have been eating too much sugar lately. for me it is super easy to not crave anything when not eating any carbs so I just stopped them. Hopefully undoing the damage done by being close to 300lbs for 10 years.
I was worried about how 0 carbs would affect my riding and to my surprise it has not affected it much, I can now do a 3 hour ride fasted and feel to crash vs while eating carbs a 3 hr ride would require 200 grams carbs to not bonk.
Highest intensity efforts (180+ HR) I can't sustain for as long without carbs but moderate-high intensity I can go all day no with no food (around 150HR).
Long term goal is to lose 20-30 lbs to be more competitive in MTB races but 180lbs range would put me in the lightest weight of my life since I was 16 years old so might be wishful thinking.
Loving it
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Ive done the keto diet for the past 8 weeks. The results have been pretty good but mucher slower to drop belly fat than when I was younger.
I did not test for ketones but most days were extremely low carb. Zero to maybe 10 grams of carbs at most. At week 5 and week 7 I traveled and while traveling I stuck more to intermittent fasting than a keto diet, it's just a pain in the ass to maintain any restrictions when traveling. This last week I fell off completely but plan on starting it again as soon as I'm back home.
I documented it by with pictures of abs. Ill post some. Once you're in ketosis it's amazing how fast the fat disipates. Also there's times at the start when your muscles are flat and there's a drop in strength but around week 6 all of that subsides quite a bit...
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At the beginning
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A few days ago.... before I fell off the diet..
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Fell off a few days ago, out drinking, late night taco's, you know... anyway muscles blew up with garbage carbs...
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About 2 months ago I went to a virtually 0 carb diet, probably 50/50 fat protein. Started with a 5 day fast (have done many fasts in the past). Feeling pretty good, went from 220 to 210 (pretty lean to begin with). No calorie restriction
I stopped bodybuilding about 5 years ago (320 at my heaviest, have done it all drug and dose wise) and ride mountain bikes now, about 100 miles per week.
Most of the time I'm at about .6 mmol Ketone and 85 blood glucose according to Keto Mojo which puts be in "mild ketosis"
After a 3 hour bike ride my ketone is around 3.5 mmol and blood glucose still around 85 which is moderate to deep ketosis
Ketone levels vary alot based on activity, more active = higher ketone blood levels which makes total sense since more fuel is needed during activity.
I have sweet tooth and have been eating too much sugar lately. for me it is super easy to not crave anything when not eating any carbs so I just stopped them. Hopefully undoing the damage done by being close to 300lbs for 10 years.
I was worried about how 0 carbs would affect my riding and to my surprise it has not affected it much, I can now do a 3 hour ride fasted and feel to crash vs while eating carbs a 3 hr ride would require 200 grams carbs to not bonk.
Highest intensity efforts (180+ HR) I can't sustain for as long without carbs but moderate-high intensity I can go all day no with no food (around 150HR).
Long term goal is to lose 20-30 lbs to be more competitive in MTB races but 180lbs range would put me in the lightest weight of my life since I was 16 years old so might be wishful thinking.
Loving it
Good for you!
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A few days ago.... before I fell off the diet..
Looking good, beakdoctor!
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Excellent results, Beak.
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Fell off a few days ago, out drinking, late night taco's, you know... anyway muscles blew up with garbage carbs...
Just what the doctor ordered
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Just what the doctor ordered
Ha! Maybe, maybe not. Having 2 side pieces is really wearing me out and I'm finding pussy really weakens my resolve. Doing my best but its a struggle when you're grizzled, gray and muscular and there are so many women out there with Daddy issues.
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Old school bodybuilder Eddie Abbew has made the keto diet go viral in the UK recently.
With the real food, shit and fucking shit scale.
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Old school bodybuilder Eddie Abbew has made the keto diet go viral in the UK recently.
With the real food, shit and fucking shit scale.
Yeah, he sounds like a maniac. He always sounds like he knows what he's talking about at first but by the end of his vids, every other word is fuck this or fuck that...
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Old school bodybuilder Eddie Abbew has made the keto diet go viral in the UK recently.
With the real food, shit and fucking shit scale.
hes fucking boring, all he says is "dont eat this its shit" over and over again
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A few days ago.... before I fell off the diet..
are you natural ? i ask that because you look like shit , this is a bodybuilding forum, trying taking some steroids, they work
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A few days ago.... before I fell off the diet..
(https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=690900.0;attach=1500737;image)
That's quite a masculine left hand you got there beak
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That's quite a masculine left hand you got there beak
Lmao! I hope those nails are for snorting coke
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Lmao! I hope those nails are for snorting coke
thats his wanking hand, looks like a womans doing it
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are you natural ? i ask that because you look like shit , this is a bodybuilding forum, trying taking some steroids, they work
LOL, Right. Sure thing Queefcake. I'll "trying taking some steroids" as soon as you stop trying to pretend you're hetero.
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thats his wanking hand, looks like a womans doing it
Lmao! I hope those nails are for snorting coke
You can see the other pics just fine. There's nothing wrong with my hands. That is Royalty territory.
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That's quite a masculine left hand you got there beak
I'm sure Royalty or his queer alter ego BeefCake will be fantasizing about it for months.
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Did it for the first time since the 2000s.
Back in the day, the mistake I made was that the fats were too low so I shrivelled up.
This time I was fat heavy. Felt good but the explosive diarrhoea after every meal got too much, and I can't risk that happening when I'm not at home. Had a bag of M&Ms today to give my gut the carbs it needs lol. Only lasted around 2 weeks.
Moving forward I'll still be eating keto type meals but in lower quantities + 100 grams a day of carbs from oats or rice.
I think everyone's bodies are different. Some people evolved to run on carbs better whereas others are meant to be primarily run on fats.
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I've been a big meat eater for years but a couple weeks ago I was eating a top quality steak and I wasn't enjoying it at all. Been off red meat since then.
If I was dieting I'd be mostly carnivore but I'm not dieting. This is weird for me but I'm not going to force myself to eat expensive food that I don't even enjoy.
I bet it won't make any difference at all. Guess I'll see what happens.