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What a dick this guy is......Just can't stay away from the limelight. First, he's broken down and doesn't think his body could hold up for 16 games. Now, he's healthy and ready to go. I guess signing a 10-12 million contract for one year changes things.
He will make the Vikings better offensively, but will still throw costly interceptions and take too many chances with his arm strength. Plus, he better still have mobility because taking shots on an astroturf field for at least 8 home games doesn't sound too nice for a 40 year old.
I predict 3300 passing yards, 17 touchdowns and 23 interceptions.
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Its good to see favre back in the league
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He just didn't want to go through training camp and most of the preseason.
Those folks are such liars.
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guy is one of greatest qb's ever to play the game...now somebody knee cap this deusch so we can all be rid of his antics. ::)
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I'm shock thought for sure Brett would stay retire ::)
This guy must really hate married life
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adrian peterson will be have a great season this year, will go early early in fantasy draft around the country.
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adrian peterson will be have a great season this year, will go early early in fantasy draft around the country.
I think AP was already the no. 1 pick in FF. I say this helps the Vikings WRs more than anything. I haven't done any prep, but I'd think Percy Harvin might have a little value now.
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I think AP was already the no. 1 pick in FF. I say this helps the Vikings WRs more than anything. I haven't done any prep, but I'd think Percy Harvin might have a little value now.
Signing Favre is HUGE for Peterson. No more 8 men in the box with a savvy veteran like Favre behind center. Tavaris Jackson could never make the right audibles or pre-snap adjustments when defenses stacked against the run.
If Peterson stays healthy he might run for 2,000 yards with Favre behind center. If I get the number #1 pick again this year, I'm taking AP again.
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Now Brett is the enemy.
I predict 20 TDs and 32 INTs. ...and no Superbowl.
Let's face it. The guy's a freak of endurance but he's lost his heart. He's got happy feet. And that Metrodome carpet is touch harder than the soft grass of Lambeau.
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Signing Favre is HUGE for Peterson. No more 8 men in the box with a savvy veteran like Favre behind center. Tavaris Jackson could never make the right audibles or pre-snap adjustments when defenses stacked against the run.
If Peterson stays healthy he might run for 2,000 yards with Favre behind center. If I get the number #1 pick again this year, I'm taking AP again.
I'm sure he'll help, but tony was saying this will improve AP's value. I don't think you can improve on the no. 1 overall pick, which is where I would have him with or without Favre.
He ran for 1760 last year, so I guess 2000 is possible, but I doubt he improves that much. Also, keep in mind this is the 40-year-old Favre coming off surgery, not the 35-year-old gunslinger.
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I'm sure he'll help, but tony was saying this will improve AP's value. I don't think you can improve on the no. 1 overall pick, which is where I would have him with or without Favre.
He ran for 1760 last year, so I guess 2000 is possible, but I doubt he improves that much. Also, keep in mind this is the 40-year-old Favre coming off surgery, not the 35-year-old gunslinger.
I think Favre coming to Minnesota will help both players immensely, stat-wise. Favre knows the offensive system in place with Minnesota like the back of his hand. He'll still throw a lot of INT's but Favre is leaps and bounds better than what Minnesota already has.
Should be a very interesting NFC North in 2009.
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I think Favre coming to Minnesota will help both players immensely, stat-wise. Favre knows the offensive system in place with Minnesota like the back of his hand. He'll still throw a lot of INT's but Favre is leaps and bounds better than what Minnesota already has.
Should be a very interesting NFC North in 2009.
Will definitely be interesting. Cutler will help Chicago. Rodgers should get even better in GB. Even the Lions might win a few games.
The GB v. Minn game will probably be the most watched game of the year (assuming it's nationally televised).
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Ehh,the winner of the NFC is coming outta the East anyway.
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I'm sure he'll help, but tony was saying this will improve AP's value. I don't think you can improve on the no. 1 overall pick, which is where I would have him with or without Favre.
He ran for 1760 last year, so I guess 2000 is possible, but I doubt he improves that much. Also, keep in mind this is the 40-year-old Favre coming off surgery, not the 35-year-old gunslinger.
I draft QB position first unless im way back in the draft and in that case Ill go RB first in our league qb's get just as many points for throwing a TD as RB's get for running one in...
but yes this will open it up a lot more for AP last year the running game was keyed in on by other teams and he still had a great year. Imagine when they have to worry about the pass as well it will open it up alot for AP.
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I draft QB position first unless im way back in the draft and in that case Ill go RB first in our league qb's get just as many points for throwing a TD as RB's get for running one in...
but yes this will open it up a lot more for AP last year the running game was keyed in on by other teams and he still had a great year. Imagine when they have to worry about the pass as well it will open it up alot for AP.
I guess it depends on your scoring system. I play in NFL.com leagues, so RBs are typically more valuable than QBs. I don't usually draft a QB till the fourth or fifth round. I've been wedded to the "Faulk Rule" for years (RBs in the first three rounds). I'll probably do the same this year.
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More Farve destroying his legacy.
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More Farve destroying his legacy.
agreed from now on nobody will remember his great career simply his whining and bitching and acting like a spoiled child during preseason for his last years...the only way for him to save his legacy now is to win the make or win the superbowl.
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More Farve destroying his legacy.
If he has a successful year and takes the Vikings on a deep playoff run, I think his legacy will be fine.
He's a first ballot hall of famer, has been two two Superbowls, won one, and has played more consecutive games under center than any other QB in NFL history. Not too mention being the career leader in TD passes and yards.
His legacy will be fine. Two years after he retires, no one is going to remember Favre for ruining his legacy. I think Favre himself could really give a shit if critics or fans think he's ruined his legacy. He just wants to play and he thinks he's still capable at playing at a high level. No one has any idea as to how the 2009 Vikings season will unfold. Could be 13-3 NFC title season or an 8-8 clusterfuck.
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If he has a successful year and takes the Vikings on a deep playoff run, I think his legacy will be fine.
He's a first ballot hall of famer, has been two two Superbowls, won one, and has played more consecutive games under center than any other QB in NFL history. Not too mention being the career leader in TD passes and yards.
His legacy will be fine. Two years after he retires, no one is going to remember Favre for ruining his legacy. I think Favre himself could really give a shit if critics or fans think he's ruined his legacy.
I will like I said he is one of the greatest qb's to play the game but the past two years he has shown himself to be a little spoiled bitch he should have simply retired.
I agree with everything else you said though
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If he has a successful year and takes the Vikings on a deep playoff run, I think his legacy will be fine.
He's a first ballot hall of famer, has been two two Superbowls, won one, and has played more consecutive games under center than any other QB in NFL history. Not too mention being the career leader in TD passes and yards.
His legacy will be fine. Two years after he retires, no one is going to remember Favre for ruining his legacy. I think Favre himself could really give a shit if critics or fans think he's ruined his legacy. He just wants to play and he thinks he's still capable at playing at a high level. No one has any idea as to how the 2009 Vikings season will unfold. Could be 13-3 NFC title season or an 8-8 clusterfuck.
I agree. I don't think he is destroying his legacy. I think he's a drama queen and should have stayed retired, but he's really not much different than numerous athletes who don't know when to quit. In fact, I'd say a majority of them probably hang around a bit too long. Not many walk away in their prime like Barry Sanders. They're more like Dan Marino with his limp noodle arm his last year.
Speaking of Marino, people don't really talk about his last year when he was simply awful and could barely throw the ball ten years down the field. I think the same will be true of Favre when the dust settles. He'll still have his ring, iron man streak, yards, and TDs.
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I agree. I don't think he is destroying his legacy. I think he's a drama queen and should have stayed retired, but he's really not much different than numerous athletes who don't know when to quit. In fact, I'd say a majority of them probably hang around a bit too long. Not many walk away in their prime like Barry Sanders. They're more like Dan Marino with his limp noodle arm his last year.
Speaking of Marino, people don't really talk about his last year when he was simply awful and could barely throw the ball ten years down the field. I think the same will be true of Favre when the dust settles. He'll still have his ring, iron man streak, yards, and TDs.
I dont remember i was pretty young and not that into football when marino was around but did he hold out and whine and cry and continue with the BS like farve has done in the last 2 yrs...seriously I have lost just about all the respect ive ever had for farve sad really.
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I dont remember i was pretty young and not that into football when marino was around but did he hold out and whine and cry and continue with the BS like farve has done in the last 2 yrs...seriously I have lost just about all the respect ive ever had for farve sad really.
No Marino never did that.
I've lost respect for Favre too, but he's still one of the greatest QBs to ever play the game. That's not going to change.
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If he has a successful year and takes the Vikings on a deep playoff run, I think his legacy will be fine.
He's a first ballot hall of famer, has been two two Superbowls, won one, and has played more consecutive games under center than any other QB in NFL history. Not too mention being the career leader in TD passes and yards.
His legacy will be fine. Two years after he retires, no one is going to remember Favre for ruining his legacy. I think Favre himself could really give a shit if critics or fans think he's ruined his legacy. He just wants to play and he thinks he's still capable at playing at a high level. No one has any idea as to how the 2009 Vikings season will unfold. Could be 13-3 NFC title season or an 8-8 clusterfuck.
All people will remember is his bitching....his retiring all the time and him stinking up the joint when he was over the hill.
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I agree. I don't think he is destroying his legacy. I think he's a drama queen and should have stayed retired, but he's really not much different than numerous athletes who don't know when to quit. In fact, I'd say a majority of them probably hang around a bit too long. Not many walk away in their prime like Barry Sanders. They're more like Dan Marino with his limp noodle arm his last year.
Speaking of Marino, people don't really talk about his last year when he was simply awful and could barely throw the ball ten years down the field. I think the same will be true of Favre when the dust settles. He'll still have his ring, iron man streak, yards, and TDs.
Name one athlete that has retired....unretired and retired again more than Farve.
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Name one athlete that has retired....unretired and retired again more than Farve.
Ali.
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If he would have just signed with other teams then everybody would remember him simply for his career now alot of ppl will remember his crying, whining, spoiled little kid antics...
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Ali.
I should have said an athlete that plays a team sport. It's not the same with boxing, since Ali's actions wouldn't affect a whole roster of players (like when Farve was holding the packers hostage). Also, drama + "acting" has been a part of boxing since it's inception. It sells tickets.
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I should have said an athlete that plays a team sport. It's not the same with boxing, since Ali's actions wouldn't affect a whole roster of players (like when Farve was holding the packers hostage).
Can't think of any off the top of my head from team sports, but I'm sure there are a number of players that have changed their minds. None that were drama queens like Favre though.
Regarding tony's last post, I think ten years from now when Favre is a first ballot Hall of Famer, people will primarily talk about his ring, 65,000 yards passing, which could grow to 70,000 and 464 TDs, which could increase to 500.
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I think the news will change tomorrow when he fails his final physical.
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Can't think of any off the top of my head from team sports, but I'm sure there are a number of players that have changed their minds. None that were drama queens like Favre though.
Regarding tony's last post, I think ten years from now when Favre is a first ballot Hall of Famer, people will primarily talk about his ring, 65,000 yards passing, which could grow to 70,000 and 464 TDs, which could increase to 500.
Perhaps...for me, I will always think of the crap he pulled at the end of a stellar career.
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He's getting goofy bit I will always rewmember when he lost a shoe trying to come back in a Dallas game and tried to keep playing. He is goofy but he was a warrior. I see Romo doing all this 10 yrs from now.
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Regarding tony's last post, I think ten years from now when Favre is a first ballot Hall of Famer, people will primarily talk about his ring, 65,000 yards passing, which could grow to 70,000 and 464 TDs, which could increase to 500.
no doubt but hall of fame isnt public perception and i think alot of ppl will remember the last two disgraceful preseasons this man has gone through. Im not saying ppl will discount his career this will never happen he is one of the greatest qb's ever...that doesnt mean hes not a bitch.
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Name one athlete that has retired....unretired and retired again more than Farve.
First off, Favre has never officially retired. Not once. In order to retire while under contract for a team in the NFL, you need to file the necessary paperwork with the league. Favre has never done that.
Michael Jordan "officially retired" three times throughout his career.
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Can't think of any off the top of my head from team sports, but I'm sure there are a number of players that have changed their minds. None that were drama queens like Favre though.
Regarding tony's last post, I think ten years from now when Favre is a first ballot Hall of Famer, people will primarily talk about his ring, 65,000 yards passing, which could grow to 70,000 and 464 TDs, which could increase to 500.
No chance he slings 36 touchdown passes this season. I don't think he'll even get to 25 TD passes.
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First off, Favre has never officially retired. Not once. In order to retire while under contract for a team in the NFL, you need to file the necessary paperwork with the league. Favre has never done that.
Michael Jordan "officially retired" three times throughout his career.
You're comparing Farve to Jordan? HA-HA!
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You're comparing Farve to Jordan? HA-HA!
Body88's quote, "Name one athlete that has retired....unretired and retired again more than Farve"
I was simply answering the question and I provided an example. What's wrong with comparing the two given the nature of the question?
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Body88's quote, "Name one athlete that has retired....unretired and retired again more than Farve"
I was simply answering the question and I provided an example. What's wrong with comparing the two given the nature of the question?
You're saying that Micheal Jordan acted in the same manner as Brett Farve? Year after year he whined, bullshitted, held his team hostage and had a drug problem?
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You're saying that Micheal Jordan acted in the same manner as Brett Farve? Year after year he whined, bullshitted, held his team hostage and had a drug problem?
No, I'm not. Your initial question wasn't asking to compare their behaviors during their periods of indecisiveness. You simply asked what other athlete(in a team sport) has retired an unretired as many times as Farve.
Where am I losing you?
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I dont have a problem with him retiring and coming back time and time again its the manner in which he holds a team hostage, leaves them on the hook, whines, and is indecisive like a little bitch that gets to me
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No chance he slings 36 touchdown passes this season. I don't think he'll even get to 25 TD passes.
I doubt he throws for 36 this season, but he'll throw for 36 over the next two seasons if he plays next year too.
Regarding this whole legacy thing, what happens if the Vikings win the Super Bowl?
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I dont have a problem with him retiring and coming back time and time again its the manner in which he holds a team hostage, leaves them on the hook, whines, and is indecisive like a little bitch that gets to me
That's it in a nutshell.
Favre has let a personal beef with GM Ted Thompson grow into this pagaent of bullshit.
Why did it happen? B/c TT wouldn't kiss Favre's ass by holding up his draft decisions until Brett would decide whether he'd return.
So TT drafted 2 QBs to back up A. Rodgers and Favre 'changed his mind' and wanted to come back and play for GB.
He hurt the team and the organization b/c he's a selfish child.
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I doubt he throws for 36 this season, but he'll throw for 36 over the next two seasons if he plays next year too.
Regarding this whole legacy thing, what happens if the Vikings win the Super Bowl?
His legacy becomes greater, in my opinion.
This legacy bullshit is stupid. Favre doesn't care what anyone thinks of his "legacy". ::) His niche in NFL history is secure. If he takes the Vikings on a deep playoff run, then his so-called tarnished legacy will probably never be brought up again.
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His legacy will be fine. Two years after he retires, no one is going to remember Favre for ruining his legacy.
Unless he has an excellent season and possibly even if he does, he'll long be remembered for this self-indulgent CRAP - making sure to avoid training camp and trying hard to avoid interaction with players as well, as some of the Jets mentioned. Pussy
Not in the top 10 all-time QBs, always a media darling and over-rated in relation to peers. It's all about Brett, always has been, which is why he only won the SB once, against a mediocre team.
Especially in GB i'm sure a lot of fans can't stand this idiot. True warriors do NOT mess with team dynamics year in and year out, as he's done with several teams now-not a team player.
Obviously the Vikings don't know what they're doing, because if they did they'd have a legit QB now, like the Jets and Packers do, instead of wasting all the talent on the rest of the team with poor QBs that destroy their seasons. In other words, they wouldn't be desperate the way they are now in doing this at the last minute.
His legacy becomes greater, in my opinion.
Most of the sports media had enough by the end of last season, as have plenty of fans including many die-hards in GB. You're seeing it the way you want to vs. how it is.
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No, I'm not. Your initial question wasn't asking to compare their behaviors during their periods of indecisiveness. You simply asked what other athlete(in a team sport) has retired an unretired as many times as Farve.
Where am I losing you?
Ok , now that we've established an athlete who has retired as much as Farve, lets look at how each handled the situation. Did Jordan taint his career with poor behavior, a drug problem and personal beefs with his gm?
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Ok , now that we've established an athlete who has retired as much as Farve, lets look at how each handled the situation. Did Jordan taint his career with poor behavior, a drug problem and personal beefs with his gm?
No drug problem or record of bad behavior. But it was well-documented within the organization that he constanly feuded with GM Jerry Krause about the direction of the team.
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No drug problem or record of bad behavior. But it was well-documented within the organization that he constanly feuded with GM Jerry Krause about the direction of the team.
And lost millions due to his gambling problem, repeatedly cheated on his wife, was sued by one of his mistresses because he refused to increase his hush money, routinely abused his teammates, etc.
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And lost millions due to his gambling problem, repeatedly cheated on his wife, was sued by one of his mistresses because he refused to increase his hush money, routinely abused his teammates, etc.
Bravo..all good points. Thanks.
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Bravo..all good points. Thanks.
How are they good points? You guys are saying Michael Jordan is a bad guy, now? ::) To me Farve is a whiny little bitch, who is a an attention whore, over the hill and plain old annoying. Many people feel the same way that I do, and I would say the majority of people wish this clown would retire and shit up. Jordan never did what Farve has done publicly.
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How are they good points? You guys are saying Michael Jordan is a bad guy, now? ::) To me Farve is a whiny little bitch, who is a an attention whore, over the hill and plain old annoying. Many people feel the same way that I do, and I would say the majority of people wish this clown would retire and shit up. Jordan never did what Farve has done publicly.
Jordan was a bit of a bitch when he unretired and came to DC as the GM. The team was shitty to begin with and his ego allowed him to think that he was the one missing piece to making the Wizards a playoff contender. He demanded way too much out of his not-so-talented teammates and was eventually cast out by ownership from having any further involvement with the future of the Wizards organization.
Maybe it's a stretch to compare the behaviors of Favre versus Jordan. But Jordan was certainly no angel throughout his career with his publicly known vices. His sheer talent above his competition allowed him to be perceived as godlike amongst his peers and even his harshest critics. He was the ultimate winner in his sport and the only player of his talent level during his heyday. That kind of stature gives you a lot of free passes in life.
You really have a bug up your ass about Favre, Body88. Did his playing in the AFC East last year piss you off that much?
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How are they good points? You guys are saying Michael Jordan is a bad guy, now? ::) To me Farve is a whiny little bitch, who is a an attention whore, over the hill and plain old annoying. Many people feel the same way that I do, and I would say the majority of people wish this clown would retire and shit up. Jordan never did what Farve has done publicly.
I'm not saying Jordan (or Favre) is a bad guy. You asked about players who had problems. Jordan is one, although he is Teflon man. There are a lot of players who do dumb (even criminal) things, but if their play on the field/court is good enough, they are typically primarily remembered as a great player.
Look at Barry Sanders, who I think is the greatest RB in NFL history. He quit after the draft and right before the season, leaving the Lions in a horrible spot. Really a bad thing to do in an otherwise fairly spotless career. Nobody even mentions that when his career is discussed.
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I'm not saying Jordan (or Favre) is a bad guy. You asked about players who had problems. Jordan is one, although he is Teflon man. There are a lot of players who do dumb (even criminal) things, but if they're play on the field/court is good enough, they are typically primarily remembered as a great player.
Look at Barry Sanders, who I think is the greatest RB in NFL history. He quit after the draft and right before the season, leaving the Lions in a horrible spot. Really a bad thing to do in an otherwise fairly spotless career. Nobody even mentions that when his career is discussed.
Right before training camp of 1999, Barry just flat-out said fuck it. Age 30, at the peak of his career, and part of a losing Lions organization year after year. His abrupt retirement was bad timing but Barry was a great player and a great person. He was the Lion's primary meal ticket for 10 seasons. He made the Lions a shit load of revenue in Jersey sales and home games. The team never reciprocated his efforts by committing to being a winning team. I completely see why he quit on the Lions. But he did it on his own terms and walked away from the game instead of being forced out. And he never felt pressured to come back because of an unfulfilled legacy.
Barry Sanders was a class act on and off the field. A special player for sure.
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Right before training camp that year, Barry just flat-out said fuck it. Age 30, at the peak of his career, and part of a losing Lions organization year after year. Barry was the Lion's primary meal ticket for 10 seasons. He made the Lions a shit load of revenue in Jersey sales and home games. The team never reciprocated his efforts by committing to being a winning team. I completely see why he quit on the Lions. But he did it on his own terms and walked away from the game without any major injuries.
True, but he should have done it before the draft.
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Signing Favre is HUGE for Peterson. No more 8 men in the box with a savvy veteran like Favre behind center. Tavaris Jackson could never make the right audibles or pre-snap adjustments when defenses stacked against the run.
If Peterson stays healthy he might run for 2,000 yards with Favre behind center. If I get the number #1 pick again this year, I'm taking AP again.
once in a blue moon...i agree with you...
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once in a blue moon...i agree with you...
You should always agree with me. You'll be a better person for it....
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You should always agree with me. You'll be a better person for it....
You hear those Dos Equis Commercials about the "Most interesting man in the world"
If he Disagrees with you..its because youre wrong.." LOL
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Jordan was a bit of a bitch when he unretired and came to DC as the GM. The team was shitty to begin with and his ego allowed him to think that he was the one missing piece to making the Wizards a playoff contender. He demanded way too much out of his not-so-talented teammates and was eventually cast out by ownership from having any further involvement with the future of the Wizards organization.
Maybe it's a stretch to compare the behaviors of Favre versus Jordan. But Jordan was certainly no angel throughout his career with his publicly known vices. His sheer talent above his competition allowed him to be perceived as godlike amongst his peers and even his harshest critics. He was the ultimate winner in his sport and the only player of his talent level during his heyday. That kind of stature gives you a lot of free passes in life.
You really have a bug up your ass about Favre, Body88. Did his playing in the AFC East last year piss you off that much?
Comparing Jordan and Farve is ludacris imo. I don't have a bug up my ass about Farve inparticular. Also, I could care less about him playing in the AFC east. He cost the Jets a playoff run. I don't like the guy. I don't like what he stands for, and I think he's over the hill. Thats all.
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Jordan was a bit of a bitch when he unretired and came to DC as the GM. The team was shitty to begin with and his ego allowed him to think that he was the one missing piece to making the Wizards a playoff contender. He demanded way too much out of his not-so-talented teammates and was eventually cast out by ownership from having any further involvement with the future of the Wizards organization.
Maybe it's a stretch to compare the behaviors of Favre versus Jordan. But Jordan was certainly no angel throughout his career with his publicly known vices. His sheer talent above his competition allowed him to be perceived as godlike amongst his peers and even his harshest critics. He was the ultimate winner in his sport and the only player of his talent level during his heyday. That kind of stature gives you a lot of free passes in life.
You really have a bug up your ass about Favre, Body88. Did his playing in the AFC East last year piss you off that much?
Agreed on all points, Jordan was a real ass who abused his power in Washington yet was shocked when cut loose. The difference is that he's faded away and hasn't continually repeated this over and over again in the media spotlight.
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Agreed on all points, Jordan was a real ass who abused his power in Washington yet was shocked when cut loose. The difference is that he's faded away and hasn't continually repeated this over and over again in the media spotlight.
It was a media cicus with Jorday during his 3 1/2 year stretch in Washington as both player and GM. When he decided to play again, his presence put the Wizards in the national spotlight instantly. I don't think owner Abe Polin had it planned out any other way. Polin knew the Wizards still wouldn't win shit, even with Jordan in the lineup. It was all about the money and revenue with him playing for the team would bring, regardless of win/loss record. Jordan and Polin used each other to get what they wanted. As soon as Jordan again announced his retirement as a player, Polin fired his ass right away as the GM. If Jordan would have played one more year, he wouldn't gotten fired.
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Regarding this whole legacy thing, what happens if the Vikings win the Super Bowl?
LOL what have you seen from him in the last 10 years that makes you think they can win a super bowl?
all i saw was favre throwing int's to cost his team the game
i'm glad he signed a 2 year contract, that means next offseason we won't have to hear "is brett coming back" conversations for the 6th year in a row ::)
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LOL what have you seen from him in the last 10 years that makes you think they can win a super bowl?
all i saw was favre throwing int's to cost his team the game
i'm glad he signed a 2 year contract, that means next offseason we won't have to hear "is brett coming back" conversations for the 6th year in a row ::)
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What have I seen the last ten years? Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, and Eli Manning won Super Bowls the past ten years.
Favre fell apart the last 6 or 7 games, but was actually very good the first half of the season. Will he fall apart again? Quite possible.
But what if doesn't?
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As soon as Jordan again announced his retirement as a player, Polin fired his ass right away as the GM. If Jordan would have played one more year, he wouldn't gotten fired.
You've interpreted in certain ways that i don't agree with and i'd guess most wouldn't. Playing longer if it would've helped would've only delayed the same thing because Jordan in management sucked, got it all wrong and thought his shit didn't stank-he was flabbergasted that anyone would fire the mighty Jordan! He got what he deserved after plenty of patience from the owner and plenty of hijinks and poor moves by Jordan.
Not the same as with Favre, the Jordan story had a lot of local undercurrents re: management that were not national sports news, weren't paid attention to by many and weren't repeated same time each year over and over again.
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What have I seen the last ten years? Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, and Eli Manning won Super Bowls the past ten years.
Favre fell apart the last 6 or 7 games, but was actually very good the first half of the season. Will he fall apart again? Quite possible.
But what if doesn't?
how you finish is more important than how you start ;)
he led the league in int's last year, all of the qbs you named were better than the favre of today
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how you finish is more important than how you start ;)
he led the league in int's last year, all of the qbs you named were better than the favre of today
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I watched Farve play a lot last year. The guy was a shell of himself. He's tarnishing his legacy with his terrible behavior and deteriorating skills. Look at guys like Manning and Brady. They are true great and they know how to act. Imo, Farve cant hold their jocks.
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What have I seen the last ten years? Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, and Eli Manning won Super Bowls the past ten years.
Favre fell apart the last 6 or 7 games, but was actually very good the first half of the season. Will he fall apart again? Quite possible.
But what if doesn't?
Even in his prime Brett was famous for multiple interceptions in multiple games. Not two or three ints. Try 5 or 6 per game. There's no defense on earth (MN's included) than can surmount that kind of action.
Dilfer, Manning and JOhnson were QBs who do not lose games. Brett Favre is the exact opposite of that group.
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how you finish is more important than how you start ;)
he led the league in int's last year, all of the qbs you named were better than the favre of today
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Yes finishing is more important.
We can argue about whether Favre of today is as good as Eli, Dilfer, and Johnson, but try willful suspension of disbelief for a moment. What if Favre plays just well enough for the Vikings to win a Super Bowl? Wouldn't that make much of the current criticism go away?
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Even in his prime Brett was famous for multiple interceptions in multiple games. Not two or three ints. Try 5 or 6 per game. There's no defense on earth (MN's included) than can surmount that kind of action.
Dilfer, Manning and JOhnson were QBs who do not lose games. Brett Favre is the exact opposite of that group.
I don't recall very many games where Favre three 5 or 6 INTs. Can't be more than a handful. But he has thrown more INTs than anyone in NFL history.
It's true he has faded down the stretch more than once, but it's also true he has done the following:
- Thrown for more TDs than anyone in NFL history.
- Thrown for more yards than anyone in NFL history.
- Completed more passes than anyone in NFL history.
- Made the Pro Bowl 10 times.
- Won a Super Bowl.
Favre can lose games, but he also wins a lot too. I wouldn't even mention him in the same breath with Dilfer, Eli, and Johnson, especially Eli, who might be the luckiest QB in the NFL.
What those three very mediocre QBs showed is you don't need a great QB to win a Super Bowl. Favre doesn't have to be great in Minnesota. He just has to be good, or at least better than Tavaris Jackson and Rosenfels.
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I don't recall very many games where Favre three 5 or 6 INTs. Can't be more than a handful. But he has thrown more INTs than anyone in NFL history.
It's true he has faded down the stretch more than once, but it's also true he has done the following:
- Thrown for more TDs than anyone in NFL history.
- Thrown for more yards than anyone in NFL history.
- Completed more passes than anyone in NFL history.
- Made the Pro Bowl 10 times.
- Won a Super Bowl.
Favre can lose games, but he also wins a lot too. I wouldn't even mention him in the same breath with Dilfer, Eli, and Johnson, especially Eli, who might be the luckiest QB in the NFL.
What those three very mediocre QBs showed is you don't need a great QB to win a Super Bowl. Favre doesn't have to be great in Minnesota. He just has to be good, or at least better than Tavaris Jackson and Rosenfels.
Brett Farve's list of career accolades is not going to turn back time. It means nothing. Thats the reason the Jets didn't make the playoffs last year. They ignored the fact that Farve is washed up and focused on what he had done in the past.
You just said that you can win superbowls with medicore qb's, yet you're ok with paying Brett Farve 12.5 million per year to "not be very good" Why not use most of that money for something else if you don't need a very good QB. If medicore works just stick with Rosenfels.
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Brett Farve's list of career accolades is not going to turn back time. It means nothing. Thats the reason the Jets didn't make the playoffs last year. They ignored the fact that Farve is washed up and focused on what he had done in the past.
You just said that you can win superbowls with medicore qb's, yet you're ok with paying Brett Farve 12.5 million per year to "not be very good" Why not use most of that money for something else if you don't need a very good QB. If medicore works just stick with Rosenfels.
His career accolades mean nothing? Hardly. They mean he'll be a first ballot Hall of Famer and will always be considered one of the greatest QBs in NFL history.
I don't want to give you the impression that I care one way or the other whether Minnesota pays him millions, or nothing at all. I don't care what they do. I'm not a Vikings fan. And I don't like Favre. But we have to be realistic. If he plays well enough to get the Vikings a ring, or even deep into the playoffs, he'll repair a lot of the damage he has caused.
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His career accolades mean nothing? Hardly. They mean he'll be a first ballot Hall of Famer and will always be considered one of the greatest QBs in NFL history.
I don't want to give you the impression that I care one way or the other whether Minnesota pays him millions, or nothing at all. I don't care what they do. I'm not a Vikings fan. And I don't like Favre. But we have to be realistic. If he plays well enough to get the Vikings a ring, or even deep into the playoffs, he'll repair a lot of the damage he has caused.
His career accolades mean nothing? Hardly. They mean he'll be a first ballot Hall of Famer and will always be considered one of the greatest QBs in NFL history.
Ok, you're right about that, but as I said, what do those accolades have to do with his performance on the field, NOW? Can they turn back time?
I don't want to give you the impression that I care one way or the other whether Minnesota pays him millions, or nothing at all. I don't care what they do. I'm not a Vikings fan. And I don't like Favre. But we have to be realistic. If he plays well enough to get the Vikings a ring, or even deep into the playoffs, he'll repair a lot of the damage he has caused.
Can't disagree there. I dont think he will, though.
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Brett Farve's list of career accolades is not going to turn back time. It means nothing. Thats the reason the Jets didn't make the playoffs last year. They ignored the fact that Farve is washed up and focused on what he had done in the past. You just said that you can win superbowls with medicore qb's, yet you're ok with paying Brett Farve 12.5 million per year to "not be very good" Why not use most of that money for something else if you don't need a very good QB. If medicore works just stick with Rosenfels.
Maybe not the same QB of 5 years ago but not completely washed up. He led the Jets to an 8-3 record and first place before injuring his bicep towards the end of the saeason. I seem to recall him throwing a career high 6 TD passes in one game last season. Washed up? Hardly. When's the last time a QB threw 6 TD passes in one game, especially at age 39?
Forget about the opponent he did it against. Unless it's the Lions, that's impressive as hell considering the talent of today's NFL defenses.
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Yes finishing is more important.
We can argue about whether Favre of today is as good as Eli, Dilfer, and Johnson, but try willful suspension of disbelief for a moment. What if Favre plays just well enough for the Vikings to win a Super Bowl? Wouldn't that make much of the current criticism go away?
yes that would but i don't like their chances at all
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His career accolades mean nothing? Hardly. They mean he'll be a first ballot Hall of Famer and will always be considered one of the greatest QBs in NFL history.
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Well shoot, let's dust off Bart Starr and sign him up to the Vikings as well. He's still alive and he's a lock in the Hall of Fame. Plus he was a better QB than Brett.
This has win written all over it.
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Beach i dont think anybody is saying that his highlights over his career will be forgotten or diminished its the fact that he has acted in the way that he has that is taking away from his legacy him winning a super bowl wont erase the fact he has acted like a little spoiled brat for two straight years...
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actually about 5 years
he's been playing the retirement game for a while now, it wasn't until last year the packers finally decided they had enough of his drama
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the great chuck noll once said that when you give retirement serious consideration, it's time to retire
your heart is no longer in it and you won't prepare yourself like a younger hungry athlete
i think favre is proof he was right, one good year in 07 doesn't make up for the many other bad seasons
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Beach i dont think anybody is saying that his highlights over his career will be forgotten or diminished its the fact that he has acted in the way that he has that is taking away from his legacy him winning a super bowl wont erase the fact he has acted like a little spoiled brat for two straight years...
I understand what some are saying. I just think if you look at history and how shallow we sports fans are, this entire episode will be a footnote in Favre's career. For example, how often do people mention Jordan's problems? He's still doing commercials. Ten, twenty years from now people are going to talk about what Favre did on the field, not how he was a drama queen the past couple years (especially if we wins in Minn).
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I understand what some are saying. I just think if you look at history and how shallow we sports fans are, this entire episode will be a footnote in Favre's career. For example, how often do people mention Jordan's problems? He's still doing commercials. Ten, twenty years from now people are going to talk about what Favre did on the field, not how he was a drama queen the past couple years (especially if we wins in Minn).
jordan was on an entirely different level, arguably the most famous and best athlete ever
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jordan was on an entirely different level, arguably the most famous and best athlete ever
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Yes, arguably. But what he did was far worse than Favre being a drama queen. Also, you can substitute Jordan’s name with any athlete who had a great career, but maybe did some dumb things during or near the end of his career. Result is the same. In terms of legacy, we talk about what the athlete did on the field/court.
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Yes, arguably. But what he did was far worse than Favre being a drama queen. Also, you can substitute Jordan’s name with any athlete who had a great career, but maybe did some dumb things during or near the end of his career. Result is the same. In terms of legacy, we talk about what the athlete did on the field/court.
Jordan also did far far far far better then farve career wise he is up there with Tiger woods as far as dominance. Brett farve has had a hall of fame career so have alot of players though. You cant compare farves accomplishments to jordans accomplishments jordan could murder somebody and he would still be remembered for his career.
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Jordan also did far far far far better then farve career wise he is up there with Tiger woods as far as dominance. Brett farve has had a hall of fame career so have alot of players though. You cant compare farves accomplishments to jordans accomplishments jordan could murder somebody and he would still be remembered for his career.
I disagree. You can certainly argue that Jordan was/is a bigger star than Favre and had a better career, but Favre has had a huge impact on the game. I listed some of his accomplishments earlier in the thread. He has done what no other QB in the history of the NFL has done in multiple categories. His career, by the numbers, is as good or better than nearly every QB who has ever played.
I do agree about Jordan always being a star. That's why I called him Teflon man. Nothing sticks. He can do whatever the heck he wants.
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Only one thing that people fail to see in my opinion.
Favre is still able to do all this.
Why did Green Bay allow him to " hold them hostage" ? Why has he skipped most of the preseason in back to back years and still just walked in as a starting QB.
How it is possible that this one guy can treat the NFL like some amateur league. Ie. Doing just what he likes?
Why? How? With all the talent already in the NFL and pouring in every year.
Maybe the people who evaluate players for a living think that he is that good? Still.
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I disagree. You can certainly argue that Jordan was/is a bigger star than Favre and had a better career, but Favre has had a huge impact on the game. I listed some of his accomplishments earlier in the thread. He has done what no other QB in the history of the NFL has done in multiple categories. His career, by the numbers, is as good or better than nearly every QB who has ever played.
I do agree about Jordan always being a star. That's why I called him Teflon man. Nothing sticks. He can do whatever the heck he wants.
I agree beach Farve is one of the greatest qb's to play football but jordan is one of the greatest pro athletes to play a sport. His success transcends his sport and goes to a very essence of a generation you cannot compare the two jordans impact was not only in the game of basketball but elsewhere how long have Air jordans been selling? how many other altheletes of any sport have their own clothing line? I can only think of one Tiger
Again you cannot compare Jordan and farve, plenty of football players have great careers beach nobody in football has been as dominant as jordan was in basketball. The two are in completely different leagues as far as their success in their careers go not just in sports but other endevours as well.
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I agree beach Farve is one of the greatest qb's to play football but jordan is one of the greatest pro athletes to play a sport. His success transcends his sport and goes to a very essence of a generation you cannot compare the two jordans impact was not only in the game of basketball but elsewhere how long have Air jordans been selling? how many other altheletes of any sport have their own clothing line? I can only think of one Tiger
Again you cannot compare Jordan and farve, plenty of football players have great careers beach nobody in football has been as dominant as jordan was in basketball. The two are in completely different leagues as far as their success in their careers go not just in sports but other endevours as well.
I'm comparing their off-the-field/court conduct. Also, I don't have a problem comparing their careers. One simply had a better career. The other had a tremendous career too. I don't see a problem with comparing the off-the-field/court conduct of both athletes.
It sounds like what you're saying is because Jordan was such a huge success that his misconduct shouldn't be evaluated like Favre's comparatively mild episodes?
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I'm comparing their off-the-field/court conduct. Also, I don't have a problem comparing their careers. One simply had a better career. The other had a tremendous career too. I don't see a problem with comparing the off-the-field/court conduct of both athletes.
It sounds like what you're saying is because Jordan was such a huge success that his misconduct shouldn't be evaluated like Favre's comparatively mild episodes?
what im saying is that b/c of his success on and off the court jordan wont be remembered for that. Farve isnt in jordans league as far as success goes neither on the field or off so yes farves antics will take away from his legacy.
Again jordan could go murder someone and he would still be remember for his career farve isnt anywhere close to jordans level success wise.
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what im saying is that b/c of his success on and off the court jordan wont be remembered for that. Farve isnt in jordans league as far as success goes neither on the field or off so yes farves antics will take away from his legacy.
Again jordan could go murder someone and he would still be remember for his career farve isnt anywhere close to jordans level success wise.
O.K. Understand. I still disagree. I think you're correct to certain degree: the more successful an athlete, the more leeway he has to be a bad boy. But I don't think we even have to use Jordan as an example.
Take Michael Irvin. I'm not sure how old you are, but were you a fan of the game when he was playing? That guy was a straight up thug off the field. Where is he now? (Hall of Fame) He was on the networks and all over the radio after his repeated brushes with the law. Today, his legacy is as a great WR, not the criminal he was.
Regarding Jordan murdering someone, O.J. showed us that even us sports fans have limits. :)
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Yes, arguably. But what he did was far worse than Favre being a drama queen. Also, you can substitute Jordan’s name with any athlete who had a great career, but maybe did some dumb things during or near the end of his career. Result is the same. In terms of legacy, we talk about what the athlete did on the field/court.
what did jordan do that affected his team in a negative way?
when you win 6 titles in 8 years, people won't care about gambling or banging groupies heck even if they were losing nobody would care about that
favre held his team hostage for many offseasons, refused to mentor aaron rodgers, and now plays for the vikings so he can "get them" ::)
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what did jordan do that affected his team in a negative way?
when you win 6 titles in 8 years, people won't care about gambling or banging groupies heck even if they were losing nobody would care about that
favre held his team hostage for many offseasons, refused to mentor aaron rodgers, and now plays for the vikings so he can "get them" ::)
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He drafted Kwame Brown no. 1 overall, repeatedly verbally abused him, traded away Rip Hamilton for Stackhouse (?), and ran his team into the ground.
Or were you only talking about the Bulls? :) He abused his Bulls teammates too. Slapped one of them in practice.
But you're pretty much proving my point. Because Jordan had a great career, most people don't care about the bad stuff he did. That's exactly what I'm saying about Favre.
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He drafted Kwame Brown no. 1 overall, repeatedly verbally abused him, traded away Rip Hamilton for Stackhouse (?), and ran his team into the ground.
Or were you only talking about the Bulls? :) He abused his Bulls teammates too. Slapped one of them in practice.
But you're pretty much proving my point. Because Jordan had a great career, most people don't care about the bad stuff he did. That's exactly what I'm saying about Favre.
making bad decisions as a GM doesn't make him a bad guy, matt millen would be the worst person in the world if that were true
i wonder how farve would do building a team
jordan was the leader of his team and a fierce competitor, winning 6 titles cancels out any moment where he acted like a "jerk" to his teammates, there are fights at many practices in all sports
demanding his teammates to work as hard as him is not what i would call abusive, that's a leader that will get the most out of a player
i wonder what they said about jordan when he got them a ring
farve hasn't won a title since 96, he has been mediocre for most of the last 10 years
none of what you said makes jordan a bad guy, you're really reaching here
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making bad decisions as a GM doesn't make him a bad guy, matt millen would be the worst person in the world if that were true
i wonder how farve would do building a team
jordan was the leader of his team and a fierce competitor, winning 6 titles cancels out any moment where he acted like a "jerk" to his teammates, there are fights at many practices in all sports
demanding his teammates to work as hard as him is not what i would call abusive, that's a leader that will get the most out of a player
i wonder what they said about jordan when he got them a ring
farve hasn't won a title since 96, he has been mediocre for most of the last 10 years
none of what you said makes jordan a bad guy, you're really reaching here
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I'll stop short of saying Jordan was a bad guy, but he did some pretty rotten stuff. And again, I agree with you: a great career cancels out bad conduct in the minds of sports fans. That's what I've been saying all along.
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I'll stop short of saying Jordan was a bad guy, but he did some pretty rotten stuff. And again, I agree with you: a great career cancels out bad conduct in the minds of sports fans. That's what I've been saying all along.
what bad conduct? demanding the best from your teammates is what a leader is supposed to do
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what bad conduct? demanding the best from your teammates is what a leader is supposed to do
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Keeping in mind he is a role model for millions of kids: repeatedly cheated on his wife, which was well known to the Chicago media (who never reported it), paid hush money to a mistress, wasted millions gambling, abused his teammates, and ran the Wizards franchise into the ground. Not exactly the kind of example you want kids to follow.
A good leader doesn't abuse his followers/subordinates. It's completely unnecessary. The ends don't always justify the means.
But let's stop talking about Jordan. What about Michael Irvin (who I mentioned earlier)?
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Keeping in mind he is a role model for millions of kids: repeatedly cheated on his wife, which was well known to the Chicago media (who never reported it), paid hush money to a mistress, wasted millions gambling, abused his teammates, and ran the Wizards franchise into the ground. Not exactly the kind of example you want kids to follow.
A good leader doesn't abuse his followers/subordinates. It's completely unnecessary. The ends don't always justify the means.
But let's stop talking about Jordan. What about Michael Irvin (who I mentioned earlier)?
athletes aren't obligated to be role models to other peoples children, besides the kids know nothing about that stuff
none of this taints his legacy, he continued to win unlike favre and as long as you aren't breaking the rules that's all that matters
the wizards still suck today, not that what he did with them taints his greatness with the bulls
when he saw he no longer was what he used to be, he retired unlike favre and all men in alpha postitions have multiple sex partners
colin cowherd said today that he witnessed beautiful girls mouth to jordan while he was playing "take me home tonight", no man in that postition has sex with only one woman, to call him a bad guy for that is feminist bullshit
a great leader keeps the followers in line, with 6 titles i'd say whatever way he did worked and what proof is there that he abused? calling somebody out when they are performing beneath their potential is what leaders do
i don't know much about michael irvin other than he was busted with cocaine
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none of this taints his legacy
Dude. We agree. Athletes who have great success in their careers are by and large remembered for their great success.
Regarding role models, athletes are role models whether they like it or not. They sell their autographs to kids. They sell their jerseys to kids. They want kids to follow them. That kind of following comes with at least some responsibility to conduct themselves a certain way.
I didn't call Jordan a bad guy. I said he did some bad things. I read about him abusing his teammates in some article. I think someone actually put it in a book? I just remember being very surprised, because Jordan's image in the media was pristine. They never reported bad stuff about the guy. Teflon Man.
There is a difference between holding people accountable and physically or verbally abusing them, just because you can. I've found that if you lead by example, demand excellence, and treat people with respect they will do whatever they can to perform. (At least most of them.)
Given your views on marital fidelity you probably won't think this is "bad," but Irvin had a wife and kids and had a little harem. He actually put one or more women up in apartments where he would go have sex, use drugs, etc. He was very arrogant about it. I remember seeing a picture of him showing up for a court appearance wearing a full length fur coat, acting like a 1970s movie pimp. All he needed was the platform shoes with the goldfish. :) He was just a lousy person.
The fact you don't even know much about Irvin’s troubles just proves that bad conduct by great athletes does not destroy the athletes' legacy. (This isn’t a criticism of you.)
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i remember the fur coat, i also knew that his off field problems supposedly kept him out of the hall for a few years
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O.K. Understand. I still disagree. I think you're correct to certain degree: the more successful an athlete, the more leeway he has to be a bad boy. But I don't think we even have to use Jordan as an example.
Take Michael Irvin. I'm not sure how old you are, but were you a fan of the game when he was playing? That guy was a straight up thug off the field. Where is he now? (Hall of Fame) He was on the networks and all over the radio after his repeated brushes with the law. Today, his legacy is as a great WR, not the criminal he was.
Regarding Jordan murdering someone, O.J. showed us that even us sports fans have limits. :)
I still dont think you quite comprehend the amount of sucess that Jordan has had nobody and I mean nobody with the possible exception of tiger has had more sucess as jordan. To even compare farve to jordan is ludicris yes farve was one of the greatest qb's to play football, jordan was one of the greatest persons to play a sport period.
I somewhat remember irvin and yes ppl still remember that about him but the reason others dont is b/c he has a career after football.
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Favre will retire naxt week after he is sandwiched between Demarcus Ware, Spears and Ratliff!!!! He should now not to mess with D anymore. Expect Booty to wear No.4 next month.
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I still dont think you quite comprehend the amount of sucess that Jordan has had nobody and I mean nobody with the possible exception of tiger has had more sucess as jordan. To even compare farve to jordan is ludicris yes farve was one of the greatest qb's to play football, jordan was one of the greatest persons to play a sport period.
I somewhat remember irvin and yes ppl still remember that about him but the reason others dont is b/c he has a career after football.
Don't confuse disagreement with lack of understanding. I know exactly how much success Jordan has and continues to have in sports and in marketing. He was/is larger than life. Stop getting hung up on comparing the careers of Jordan and Favre. That's really not the issue. The issue is whether an athlete's play allows him to make mistakes without tarnishing his legacy. The bigger the star, the more mistakes he can make.
The reason people don't remember or talk about Irvin being a criminal is because Irvin was a great player. Sports fans don't care. He came back and played after engaging in all sorts of bad conduct.
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Demarcus will send him to AARP Commercials this Friday.
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farves a bigger bitch then i thought hitting a guy below the knees, what a fuking dousche i wonder how bad that spoiled little brat would be whinning if somebody did that shit to his ass ::)
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farves a bigger bitch then i thought hitting a guy below the knees, what a fuking dousche i wonder how bad that spoiled little brat would be whinning if somebody did that shit to his ass ::)
Yeah, I have to admit that crack back block below the knees was pretty fucked.
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farves a bigger bitch then i thought hitting a guy below the knees, what a fuking dousche i wonder how bad that spoiled little brat would be whinning if somebody did that shit to his ass ::)
100% agree... And im a favre fan....so i kind of stayed away from this thread..but yeah that was all bad last night...not cool..
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I saw it this morning. Didn't look as bad as I thought it would be. He went low but it wasn't a cheap shot IMO. I don't expect a QB to try and put his pads in a defender's chest.
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I saw it this morning. Didn't look as bad as I thought it would be. He went low but it wasn't a cheap shot IMO. I don't expect a QB to try and put his pads in a defender's chest.
you expect him to take out the knees of an unwitting safety? It wasnt intentional I would say he treated the incident with little class though didnt hear him apologize for it simply say i hope he isnt hurt. If the safety had done that to farve's brittle ass he probably would have been suspended.
All the more fuel to the farve knee cap fire in my book though that little bitch is going to get hurt pretty bad this season just wait...
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you expect him to take out the knees of an unwitting safety? It wasnt intentional I would say he treated the incident with little class though didnt hear him apologize for it simply say i hope he isnt hurt. If the safety had done that to farve's brittle ass he probably would have been suspended.
All the more fuel to the farve knee cap fire in my book though that little bitch is going to get hurt pretty bad this season just wait...
I expect every QB to cut block. If you get a chance, look at the replay. It doesn't look like Favre is trying to take the guy's knees out. It wasn't a clip either. Looked legal to me. But I'm not the ref. :)
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I expect every QB to cut block. If you get a chance, look at the replay. It doesn't look like Favre is trying to take the guy's knees out. It wasn't a clip either. Looked legal to me. But I'm not the ref. :)
It's called a "crack-back" block, and you hear both announcers condom it and call it a "crack-back" by name - (including John Gruden). These are the same guys who were just kissing Farve's ass minutes before. So the refs, and the announcers, (one who is a former NFL coach) agree that it's a dirty play and somehow it's no big deal? You don't throw hits like that....as said by one of the announcers: "Thats messing with someones career, and that isn't right".
A "legal hit", ha! You're letting your Farve bias interfere with reality ; ) It was a dirty play.
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should have seen the play right after that demeco ryans lays a damn good lick on a WR
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The Texans are loaded with talent. One more wr and a good QB and they are a contender.
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The Texans are loaded with talent. One more wr and a good QB and they are a contender.
Schaub is made of glass, though.
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Schaub is made of glass, though.
My friend renamed him...he calls him "IF" as in "IF he is healthy then he will have a great year"
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It's called a "crack-back" block, and you hear both announcers condom it and call it a "crack-back" by name - (including John Gruden). These are the same guys who were just kissing Farve's ass minutes before. So the refs, and the announcers, (one who is a former NFL coach) agree that it's a dirty play and somehow it's no big deal? You don't throw hits like that....as said by one of the announcers: "Thats messing with someones career, and that isn't right".
A "legal hit", ha! You're letting your Farve bias interfere with reality ; ) It was a dirty play.
Meh. I think if it was anyone other than a QB, I might have a problem with it. I don't agree with that rule. I knocked plenty of guys into next week just like that years ago, except it was above the waist. The defender has to have his head on a swivel. In fact, one of the hardest hits I ever took was a LB who knocked the crap out of me as I ran a little lazy route across the line, inside of five yards, with the ball nowhere in sight. Same kind of play IMO.
I don't think it was a dirty play. This is football for goodness sake. They are constantly trying to sissy up the game. ::) And I don't like Favre, so no "Favre bias" here. :)
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Meh. I think if it was anyone other than a QB, I might have a problem with it. I don't agree with that rule. I knocked plenty of guys into next week just like that years ago, except it was above the waist. The defender has to have his head on a swivel. In fact, one of the hardest hits I ever took was a LB who knocked the crap out of me as I ran a little lazy route across the line, inside of five yards, with the ball nowhere in sight. Same kind of play IMO.
I don't think it was a dirty play. This is football for goodness sake. They are constantly trying to sissy up the game. ::) And I don't like Favre, so no "Favre bias" here. :)
I know what you're saying, but Farve didn't knock anybody into next week...he crack-backed a defender who was not even looking in his direction. Imo, there is a difference between a big hit thats clean, and a crack-back.
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Schaub is made of glass, though.
I know. Like I said, they are another wr and a good QB away from being contenders.
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I know. Like I said, they are another wr and a good QB away from being contenders.
In my opinion, Schaub throws a beautiful tight spiral and has the arm strength to make every type of throw. Riding the pine behind Vick in Atlanta for so many years softened his body up. Once he got a starting job in Texas, he was injured practically every time he made contact with a defensive player.
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It's called a "crack-back" block, and you hear both announcers condom it and call it a "crack-back" by name - (including John Gruden). These are the same guys who were just kissing Farve's ass minutes before. So the refs, and the announcers, (one who is a former NFL coach) agree that it's a dirty play and somehow it's no big deal? You don't throw hits like that....as said by one of the announcers: "Thats messing with someones career, and that isn't right".
A "legal hit", ha! You're letting your Farve bias interfere with reality ; ) It was a dirty play.
Eugene Wilson could have been seriously hurt on that play, intentional or not. That"s why the zebras throw the flag every time that block is made during a game.
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Farve fines 10k....good, scumbag.