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Re: For 333 - Our Resident Commie Hunter
« Reply #250 on: February 05, 2010, 08:38:30 AM »
who said anything about ERODING

again - the term is ABOLITION

all the evidence points toward a long term increase in the private ownership of real property

you've parsed words and played semantic games for 10 pages but have completely failed to show that an "ABOLITION of property in land"

Hey numbnuts, read Dumplings' post - YOU ARE THE IDIOT PLAYING WORD GAMES.  

Read your damn questions again.  

This is getting stupid now.  You run away when getting owned and change the issue when you lose.  Just stop.  Accept your defeat and we will go on to No 2.  


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« Reply #251 on: February 05, 2010, 08:40:18 AM »
right..he be thinkin someone dumb and sant see through that shit. Dude you out here bending words and makin stupid ass inferences...still 1+1=7 in your book 3333, fox news has turned your brain into mush

Everyone but you and Straw disagree.  

Read the original question, my and everyone elses' posts, and it is clear as day Straw lost this one.  

Bro - can you even formulate an argument yourself?  I seriously don't think so.

THE ORIGINAL QUESTION

Hey 333 - you keep ranting about all the Marxist/Communist in our country (including the POTUS). Can you show me one thing on this list that even comes close to what we have today


Can you idiots read? 

1.  He said pick one of the ten, not all ten.  I gave answers on all ten yet Straw is harped up on a hyper technical definition that his question did not even call for! 

2.  What was required was finding one of the ten "that even comes close" .  He did not say I had to prove it unquestionably as a matter of fact, only that it comes close, which I did. 

3.  Straw insists on claiming victory to this debate by having me concede something that was never asked in the first place or was ever claimed.

So who is playing word games Mal - Straw or myself?     

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« Reply #252 on: February 05, 2010, 08:43:04 AM »
Everyone but you and Straw disagree. 

Read the original question, my and everyone elses' posts, and it is clear as day Straw lost this one. 

Bro - can you even formulate an argument yourself?  I seriously don't think so.

 

Dude you and i know that you have never proven anything...  Your tactic is 1. Use extreme hyperbole, mixed with a bunch of shit that is related but dosent show a strong coorelation, finally you add a few far out instances and factors, and presto, you have PROVEN something...you and i know thats what you do...just call it what it is.

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« Reply #253 on: February 05, 2010, 08:46:14 AM »
Dude you and i know that you have never proven anything...  Your tactic is 1. Use extreme hyperbole, mixed with a bunch of shit that is related but dosent show a strong coorelation, finally you add a few far out instances and factors, and presto, you have PROVEN something...you and i know thats what you do...just call it what it is.


I'll tell you what -  why dont we have others who have not posted in this thread judge? 


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« Reply #254 on: February 05, 2010, 08:58:53 AM »
Hey numbnuts, read Dumplings' post - YOU ARE THE IDIOT PLAYING WORD GAMES. 
Read your damn questions again. 
This is getting stupid now.  You run away when getting owned and change the issue when you lose.  Just stop.  Accept your defeat and we will go on to No 2. 
Let's look at my question again since you've taken 10 tortured pages of bullshit to avoid the obvious answer:
Hey 333 - you keep ranting about all the Marxist/Communist in our country (including the POTUS). Can you show me one thing on this list that even comes close to what we have today
1.   Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.

We have no evidence of Abolition of property in land
You say we have “Erosion” and but the facts show a long term increase in private ownership
You say we have “Erosion” but then say the government has been “giving away free money” to support home ownership
You say we have “Erosion” but you can still buy a home with 3.5% down payment and get a fixed rate near 5%
You say we have “Erosion” yet the government has programs in place (Making Home Affordable) in an attempt (flawed in my opinion) to help people KEEP their homes
You say that property tax, zoning requirements, building codes are all proof of the “Erosion” or private ownership yet those things have been in place for years and all during the time that home ownership has grown and every single homeowner knew those things existed before they choose to purchase.  Guess what, zoning requirements and buildng codes are good things and promote ownership in property.

You FAIL on the first half of #1

Do you want to work on the 2nd half or would you like to concede the entire point and move on to #2?

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Re: For 333 - Our Resident Commie Hunter
« Reply #255 on: February 05, 2010, 09:01:26 AM »
Let's look at my question again since you've taken 10 tortured pages of bullshit to avoid the obvious answer:
We have no evidence of Abolition of property in land
You say we have “Erosion” and but the facts show a long term increase in private ownership
You say we have “Erosion” but then say the government has been “giving away free money” to support home ownership
You say we have “Erosion” but you can still buy a home with 3.5% down payment and get a fixed rate near 5%
You say we have “Erosion” yet the government has programs in place (Making Home Affordable) in an attempt (flawed in my opinion) to help people KEEP their homes
You say that property tax, zoning requirements, building codes are all proof of the “Erosion” or private ownership yet those things have been in place for years and all during the time that home ownership has grown and every single homeowner knew those things existed before they choose to purchase.  Guess what, zoning requirements and buildng codes are good things and promote ownership in property.

You FAIL on the first half of #1

Do you want to work on the 2nd half or would you like to concede the entire point and move on to #2?

No wonder you voted for Obama - you will buy into any rubbish you think sounds good. 

You are asking me to concede something:

1.  That was never claimed.

2.  Something you never asked me to prove. 

 

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Re: For 333 - Our Resident Commie Hunter
« Reply #256 on: February 05, 2010, 09:05:54 AM »
Are things better under Barry...no
Has he spent more of our money...yes
Are more people now dependent on barry...yes
Has government grown...yes..Hi GM
Does his party more closely identify with left wing leaders like Castro and Chavez..yes...hi Black Congressional caucus
The list is endless...forget it...his a leftwing nutbag.
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Re: For 333 - Our Resident Commie Hunter
« Reply #257 on: February 05, 2010, 09:07:41 AM »
No wonder you voted for Obama - you will buy into any rubbish you think sounds good. 

You are asking me to concede something:

1.  That was never claimed.

2.  Something you never asked me to prove. 

The list were 10 thing that were prior conditions for a transition from capitalism to communism

#1 on this list has NOT happened, has not come close and in fact all EVIDENCE points to the exact opposite happening.  Private Ownership has been increasing.

it's f'ng amazing to me that you are actually a lawyer



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Re: For 333 - Our Resident Commie Hunter
« Reply #258 on: February 05, 2010, 09:13:59 AM »
The list were 10 thing that were prior conditions for a transition from capitalism to communism

#1 on this list has NOT happened, has not come close and in fact all EVIDENCE points to the exact opposite happening.  Private Ownership has been increasing.

it's f'ng amazing to me that you are actually a lawyer




Straw - your an idiot. 

You are mixing up all sorts of shit now. 

Your alleged "ownership" is illusory and not absolute when the govt can foreclosure upon your home EVEN AFTER ITS PAID OFF for not paying property tax, i.e. rent.

Why is it so hard for you to understand that concept? 

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Re: For 333 - Our Resident Commie Hunter
« Reply #259 on: February 05, 2010, 09:20:00 AM »
Straw - your an idiot. 

You are mixing up all sorts of shit now. 

Your alleged "ownership" is illusory and not absolute when the govt can foreclosure upon your home EVEN AFTER ITS PAID OFF for not paying property tax, i.e. rent.

Why is it so hard for you to understand that concept? 

it's not hard to understand

it's just a flawed argument

the fact that I have to pay my property tax or risk losing my home to foreclsure doesn't mean I don't own the property

now we're up to 11 pages of you trying to parse the definition of "own"

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« Reply #260 on: February 05, 2010, 09:36:40 AM »
it's not hard to understand

it's just a flawed argument

the fact that I have to pay my property tax or risk losing my home to foreclsure doesn't mean I don't own the property

now we're up to 11 pages of you trying to parse the definition of "own"

If you dont pay your cell phone tax - does the govt confiscate your phone?  

Bro - you lost the debate deal with it.  

You dont own shit if after having paid for the item, i.e. your house, the govt can seize it if you dont pay the "rent" they charge.

But keep dreaming bro.  It must be nice being so dumb and blind to reality.    

Watch this and wake up.  




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Re: For 333 - Our Resident Commie Hunter
« Reply #261 on: February 05, 2010, 09:42:36 AM »
If you dont pay your cell phone tax - does the govt confiscate your phone? 

Bro - you lost the debate deal with it. 

You dont own shit if after having paid for the item, i.e. your house, the govt can seize it if you dont pay the "rent" they charge.

But keep dreaming bro.  It must be nice being so dumb and blind to reality.   

keep spinning man

that's the only way you're going to remain dizzy enough to believe your own bullshit

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« Reply #262 on: February 05, 2010, 10:02:09 AM »
Straw  how about a lil project?  Dont pay any tax what so ever on everything you own and dont register your vehicle or get it inspected for a year, and drop your insurance  and then see how many of these things you own are still in your possession. Until then how about # 2 or 5??????? 

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« Reply #263 on: February 05, 2010, 10:07:52 AM »
keep spinning man

that's the only way you're going to remain dizzy enough to believe your own bullshit

I'm not spinning shit - you just are too small-minded to understand that fact that you "ownership" in real property is mostly illusory since if you fail to pay the rent that the govt tells you to pay you lose it.  Thats not ownership, its more of a license if anything. 

If that simply concept is so hard for you to understand, its no wonder this thread has lasted so long.   

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« Reply #264 on: February 05, 2010, 10:29:22 AM »
I'm not spinning shit - you just are too small-minded to understand that fact that you "ownership" in real property is mostly illusory since if you fail to pay the rent that the govt tells you to pay you lose it.  Thats not ownership, its more of a license if anything. 

If that simply concept is so hard for you to understand, its no wonder this thread has lasted so long.   

again - not hard to understand but just semantic bullshit

and you know it


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« Reply #265 on: February 05, 2010, 10:35:23 AM »
again - not hard to understand but just semantic bullshit

and you know it



No its not - I was going to post about civil forfeiture laws by why bother?  You dont consider any viewpoint other than your own regardless of the facts that many around you present. 

You think you own something that ultimately you do not. 

Again simple question, if the government can foreclose on your property after you have paid off your mortgage, do you truly have sole ownership of the same?  No you do not. 

Either way, this is going in circles since no matter what anyone says, GW, BPS, Dumpling, Skip, HH6, anyone you dont even consider it because it disagrees with you. 

As for No. 2 - you are dead in the water on that and we should just move to No. 3 since No. 2 is a no brainer in that we are already there on that. 

 

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Re: For 333 - Our Resident Commie Hunter
« Reply #266 on: February 05, 2010, 10:46:47 AM »
333 - I don't remember if you even own property or not


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« Reply #267 on: February 05, 2010, 10:48:34 AM »
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Do You Reallly Own
Anything Except Toilet Paper?
By Ted Twietmeyer
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This is a subject not unlike the chicken-egg story. What exactly IS "ownership?" We'll look past the obvious fiat currency (Federal Reserve Notes) everyone carries in their pocket. But before we really delve into this subject, let's see what the "mainstream" thinking is about this word. After all, everything you have from the chair you're sitting on to the computer you're reading this with, to the roof over your head - all hinges on the *perceived* security of ownership. Even renting may be perceived as a form of ownership. While you're the tenant you have control of an apartment or house and you define who can come and go, who can stay with you, etc... until your lease expires. The past five years have seen new restrictions and laws quietly placed on renters and property owners.
  
The Merriam-Webster's dictionary definition of "ownership" with just one small sentence: "the state, relation, or fact of being an owner." [1] Isn't that a real fountain of information to answer our question!
  
However, Britannica does a far better job of defining "ownership:"

"the legal relation between a person (individual, group, corporation, or government) and an object. The object may be corporeal, such as furniture, or completely the creature of law, such as a patent, copyright, or annuity; it may be movable, such as an animal, or immovable, such as land. Because the objects of property and the protected relations are different in every culture and vary according to law, custom, and economic system and the relative social status of those who enjoy its privileges, it is difficult to find a least common denominator of "ownership." Ownership of property probably means at a minimum that one's government or society will help to exclude others from the use or enjoyment of one's possession without one's consent, which may be withheld except at a price." [2]
  
Now we have something more definitive to look at. It describes a "legal relationship" between a person and an object which can be anything like an intangible or non-physical asset such as a patent or intellectual property, to having real estate. It's interesting the phrase "creature of law," which seems to imply law has a life of it's own. But for ownership, it is the law that defines what you are and are not allowed to own. Some things come and go in popularity. For example, ammonium nitrate isn't a material anyone should brag about owning. A large volume of it can bring on a storm trooper visit from the men in the black suits. The last phrase indicates that ownership isn't a certainty, by stating that "probably" the government or society will defend your right to ownership by excluding use by others. Certainly no one can own the simple right to privacy anymore. That wasn't just recently taken away, but it happened decades ago. The government is just now getting around to let you know this, and how good it is for you.
  
What's quite fascinating about all this is how money makes it possible to do illegal acts - legally! For example, going fishing or hunt without a license. Sooner or later a you'll hear a voice behind you in the woods saying, "Game warden - let me see your license." Having a license for anything - whether it be driving a car, hunting, fishing, boating or many other activities will make that illegal act OK! Makes perfect sense, right? So what does this have to do with ownership? Actually, quite a bit. Because the common denominator for both licenses AND owning anything is the use of money to pay for all licenses. No other means of payment will be accepted. And that money of course, is the infamous Federal Reserve Note. Remember that although the note states "legal tender for all debts..." it absolutely doesn't mean that anyone else can pay a debt in full simply by handing someone a note. A "note" implies debt. Period. The privately run "Federal Reserve" has illegally been given the right to do this against Constitutional law, which has created this defacto standard way of creating money out of nothing more than rags, special paper and thin air.
  
But wait a minute - those notes you use to pay for everything you "own" are worthless. What then? This is where is gets even more interesting. The entire American economic system (and probably those of other countries even though not publicly stated) are based on NOTES. These glorified "IOUs" are backed by absolutely nothing tangible. The note trick is nothing new - the Knights Templar hundreds of years ago started this by issuing notes to travelers. At the start of a long journey, travelers went to a local Templar and in return for giving him all their cash, he issued the traveler a note and provided protection where needed during the trip. At the end of the journey the traveler cashed it and got their money back, minus a fee. This was the first version of a traveler's check! If somehow the traveler was robbed on the highway, he/she would have no money to lose. The Templar note would be useless to anyone else. Today we're still using notes - but with a big difference. We CANNOT cash them in for real money! If you walk into any bank and ask a teller to give you change or real money for a "legal tender" $100.00 bill, you'll be handed more fake notes in exchange for your fake note! The same is true for checks, too. You cannot cash anything in no matter what, since notes are used to pay for notes. You can use the notes to buy gold, but gold is no longer considered legal tender to pay debts. You'll have to convert the gold back into a useless note to use it!
  
One doesn't have to be an economic wizard like Joseph Stiglitz to see the giant house of cards this scheme represents.
  
Now let's assume that somehow you could obtain REAL currency. Some think the Euro dollar is real money, since it's "supposedly" backed by gold. But to date, there have been no photos of the skyscraper-sized pile of gold this would require to back all the Euro currency in the world for all of Europe. Someone right now is yelling "you idiot, the gold is scattered all over the world in banks and vaults!" Yes, that MAY be true. So I say, show me ONE big gold pile shrink wrapped in plastic with a sign on it "Reserved for Backing the Euro - cannot be sold or traded."
  
Personally, I think the Euro is just another *note* without real backing, just like the US dollar is. The Europeans are simply not telling anyone about it, or perhaps are lying. Of course, in today's mindset people think only the US government will lie and no other governments will (except dictatorships.) There was a highly successful business organization better known as the Knights Templar, which grew in wealth to back the Holy See and monarchies of Europe. Can we believe that this highly profitable organization became extinct? After a just a few years in business proving travelers an important service, these men were perceived as threatening and too powerful. Eventually Philip the Fourth attempted to exterminate them.[3] Many historians believe they just went underground. After almost 1,000 years, now they may be running the entire planet's currency - keeping it based on notes.
  
So let's forget the Euro dollar and think bigger by using real GOLD to pay debts. If you could get the bank to accept gold (and not notes which is the only "legal tender" today) can you really own your home free and clear, and live there for free the rest of your life? No. There are the endless taxes "levied" every year on your home. These are really just rent to allow you to live there, even if you own it free and clear. One can also look at it as a form of RENT paid to the state. You can own your home AND the land it sits on free and clear of any mortgage - but you still must pay yearly taxes (i.e. rent) forever.
  
There's no way to call a house moving company and remove the actual "land" (i.e., the top 10ft. of soil) and the land that your home is actually attached to, separating it from the dirt below. Of course, you could move just the home itself. But that will cost you at least $20,000+ to move it a few feet or hundreds of feet. But now what? You'll have to move that house down the road - to yet ANOTHER piece of land for which you will have to pay taxes (i.e., rent.) This will accomplish nothing.
 

You may own an automobile like millions do. But you need a registration to drive it! And a state inspection sticker, too. (Really just another license.) And to drive? You'll need a license for that, too. It's completely illegal to drive anything on the road, but buying a license (and filling out endless forms) makes it legal for awhile until it expires. Therefore, you actually need at least three licenses just to drive the car you "own" down the road. In fact, you just might end up paying more concealed rent - disguised as a fee at a toll booth.
  
OK, let's forget about trying to own or rent a home. Do what the late Chris Farley screamed at the rebellious children in a famous SNL skit - "you're gonna be livin' on a steady diet of government cheese, in a van .....down by the river!" What if you did live down by the river? You'll still have to buy soap to wash your clothes on the rocks and purchase toilet paper. Leaves will make you chaff in no time when fall comes. You'll need monopoly fiat notes to pay for that river life - including the toilet paper.
  
Although everything is now purchased using worthless notes - the principal still exists that you can never actually be debt-free until you settle up for ALL the notes you ever used in your life to buy things with. That's the principal behind debt forgiveness with NESARA.[4] Paying off all these notes in your pocket with real money is IMPOSSIBLE for anyone to accomplish. There is no known form of payment that the Federal Reserve will take for these notes. Why? Simply because they were worthless to begin with, and taking payment for them would make the Federal Reserve guilty of fraud. Every bank loan is fake "money" created out of thin air when the document is signed by a bank officer.
  
So what's the bottom line? It doesn't matter whether you work at a job or receive investment or interest income to live on. You still receive a fiat note when you cash in your checks, make a withdrawal or receive a direct deposit. But about that employer or investment house who just paid you? They owe for their notes just like you do! So you are paid with worthless paper since none of it can ever be paid off. This is why at the beginning of this article I called this the chicken-egg syndrome. President Kennedy wanted to stop this madness - and he was quickly rewarded with lead poisoning.
  
BEYOND NOTES
  
But we're not done yet. Think about what ownership really is...and what it REALLY means outside of the note problem. At one time there was a payment system that worked well for centuries. People exchanged something valuable for something they needed to have. You cannot really OWN anything forever even if its paid for - because when you die everything stays behind. And then a relative or friend takes possession of it until they die or give it away, too. (Now you know the secret of yard sales - junk passing from one yard sale to another. Just like the dreaded fruit cake showing up at Christmas time.) The one thing you own and we all have used is toilet paper. A single-use item no one wants to take home. You can be certain that after you die your possessions will be picked through by teary-eyed vulture-relatives. But if a substantial amount of toilet paper is still on a roll, at least one enterprising person will take that unused roll home with them. It might even "surface" at their next yard sale. Then it can be sold (using yet another note) to someone else.
  
In the final analysis, everything you own can be considered as simply borrowed. Whether you own it or not, that doesn't matter. The same is true of any item like a car, furniture or computer, regardless of how many payments you made. If you die before the lease term is up, then the item must go back to the store. And all those payments you made all your life by paying for notes with notes? The bottom line is that it was all for nothing. Ownership truly is simply a disguised rental.
  
You can move to Africa or South America, and live in the jungle to try and escape it the problem. But that won't work either, as in most tribes no one really owns anything - and everything must be shared. Did you say you are going down there and you are MARRIED? Oh, I am sorry to hear that! You might want to re-think that decision and consider the implications of sharing your spouse with others.
  
Perhaps it's far better to simply not to be a materialist in the first place...
  
Ted Twietmeyer
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Straw - open your mind and see the reality for what I have been arguing for the past 11 pages.  You dont own squat.  

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Re: For 333 - Our Resident Commie Hunter
« Reply #268 on: February 05, 2010, 10:53:51 AM »
Straw read this with an open mind

try speaking for yourself

Do you own your home?

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« Reply #269 on: February 05, 2010, 10:54:50 AM »
333 - I don't remember if you even own property or not



I have real estate, two cars, a boat, stocks, bonds, cash, firearms, the office space where my business is located, a large library of books, etc.  

What is the point of your question?  

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« Reply #270 on: February 05, 2010, 10:56:24 AM »
I have real estate, two cars, a boat, stocks, bonds, cash, firearms, the office space where my business is located, a large library of books, etc.  

What is the point of your question?  


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Re: For 333 - Our Resident Commie Hunter
« Reply #271 on: February 05, 2010, 10:56:50 AM »
I have real estate, two cars, a boat, stocks, bonds, cash, firearms, the office space where my business is located, a large library of books, etc.  

What is the point of your question?  

I didn't ask about your cars or guns, etc..

what do you mean by you "have" real estate


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« Reply #272 on: February 05, 2010, 10:58:38 AM »
I didn't ask about your cars or guns, etc..

what do you mean by you "have" real estate



I have an ownership interest in my home and my office building that the government is partners with me in until it or they are sold. 


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« Reply #273 on: February 05, 2010, 11:09:34 AM »
I have an ownership interest in my home and my office building that the government is partners with me in until it or they are sold. 

the government is your partner?

do you share the cost of maintenance?

do you share the cost of insurance?

does the government pay it's share of the property tax?

when you sell, if you make a profit, does the government get half (let's assume for the sake of this question that you're single, have a gain of less than 250k, etc.. you know the tax rules on cap gains)

If someone falls through the stairs in your home  and breaks their leg does the government share in the liability
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do you see the silly semantic game you are playing to avoid the obvious?

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« Reply #274 on: February 05, 2010, 11:18:48 AM »
the government is your partner?

YES - BY THE ABILITY TO TAX ME AND TELL ME WHAT MY HOUSE IS WORTH FOR ASSEMENT PURPOSES.

do you share the cost of maintenance?

YES - I WRITE OFF THE COSTS ON MY TAXES FOR AUTO AND OFFICE MAINTENCE AS IT RELATES TO BUSINESS


do you share the cost of insurance?

NO. 


does the government pay it's share of the property tax?

NO.  IT ACTUALLY SCREWS OVER THE TAXPAYER BY OCCUPYING SO MUCH SPACE THAT ARE TAKEN OFF THE TAX ROLLS AND STICKING THE REST OF US WITH THE TAB. 

when you sell, if you make a profit, does the government get half (let's assume for the sake of this question that you're single, have a gain of less than 250k, etc.. you know the tax rules on cap gains)

YES.  I "OWN" COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AND ANY GAINS ARE TAXED BOTH LOCALLY, STATE WIDE, AND CAPITAL GAINS TAX SINCE I HAVE OWNED IT OVER A YEAR.  THE COMBINED RATE IS HIGH, BUT UNTIL I SELL IT I DONT KNOW WHAT THE EXACT RATE IS.   


If someone falls through the stairs in your home  and breaks their leg does the government share in the liability

Ridiculous question since my property is not being sued, I would be as an individual.  Tort cases are not  in rem proceedings.   

do you see the silly semantic game you are playing to avoid the obvious?

YOU ARE THE ONE PLAYING WORD GAMES AND EVERY HERE OTHER THAN MAL AGREES WITH ME, NOT YOU.