Taking Tribulus Terrestris is not natural(Included as prohormone)?

[dustin]

What do you mean?

He means that he had "blood work" performed - this is when they draw your blood and send it to a lab for analysis. He's saying that his blood work confirmed a rise in LH and test.

[CT_Muscle]

What do you mean?

I have had my test levels checked from the lab before and after I used Trib for 2-3 months and the free and total test was higher after I used Trib.

[kyomu]

I have had my test levels checked from the lab before and after I used Trib for 2-3 months and the free and total test was higher after I used Trib.

He means that he had "blood work" performed - this is when they draw your blood and send it to a lab for analysis. He's saying that his blood work confirmed a rise in LH and test.

Aha, Thanx!

[Van_Bilderass]

Trib is an herb, that increases LH, thereby increasing Test, I have used it and have blood work done before and after proving it works.

I have had my test levels checked from the lab before and after I used Trib for 2-3 months and the free and total test was higher after I used Trib.

How much higher?

It's possible some herbs have an effect on adrenal steroid production. Trib doesn't increase LH - no reliable data showing this.

Which product did you use?

[DroppingPlates]

More evidence that TT won't work, and to make interpretation less complicated, some graphs based on 7 groups of rats who got 11, 42 and 110 mg/kg(2.2 lbs) TT, 5 mg/kg DHEA, 0.25 mg/kg of Testosterone Propionate, 0,1 mg/kg ethinylestradiol or were a controll group for 28 days (source is in Dutch, sorry).




Conclusion of researchers:

"Tribulus terrestris is not able to stimulate endocrine sensitive tissues such as the prostate, seminal vesicle, uterus and vagina in Wistar rats, indicating lack of androgenic and estrogenic activity in vivo. We also showed an unchanged levels of circulating androgens."

Tongkat Ali could be interesting.

[Mr.1derful]

Trib is an herb, that increases LH, thereby increasing Test, I have used it and have blood work done before and after proving it works.

I've done blood work before and after that showed it didn't do shit. 

[kyomu]

Great thread.

[GetItOnNY]

Tribulus is natural, but by itself its doesnt do much.I would stack it with DHEA, which I beleive is still natural.Then try to find some Longfolia, but make sure its a 200 to 1, or atleast a 100 to 1 ratio, this way its really strong.Other good herbs for increasing testosterone is MACA, Muira Puama, Horny Goat Weed, Velvet Deer Antler and Even Yohimbe.There all work well, you could even stack them together.
Are they are strong as steroids hell no, but atleast you will still be natural, but you will increase your natural testosterone levels.The stack below will be considered natural but would riase your test level very significantly

DHEA                      200mg
Tribulus                   1000mg
Longfolia                  1000mg
Yohimbe Hcl              10-15mg

[kyomu]

Tribulus is natural, but by itself its doesnt do much.I would stack it with DHEA, which I beleive is still natural.Then try to find some Longfolia, but make sure its a 200 to 1, or atleast a 100 to 1 ratio, this way its really strong.Other good herbs for increasing testosterone is MACA, Muira Puama, Horny Goat Weed, Velvet Deer Antler and Even Yohimbe.There all work well, you could even stack them together.
Are they are strong as steroids hell no, but atleast you will still be natural, but you will increase your natural testosterone levels.The stack below will be considered natural but would riase your test level very significantly

DHEA                      200mg
Tribulus                   1000mg
Longfolia                  1000mg
Yohimbe Hcl              10-15mg

Hopefuly,I can get hardness this time...

[Van_Bilderass]

Hopefuly,I can get hardness this time...

Not possible without insulin.

[kyomu]

Not possible without insulin.

No. GH creats hardness.

[GetItOnNY]

To get harder, you can you Chrysin, which is an exellent estrogen blocker, and is from passion flower.I would say 100mg a day of Chrysin will get you dryer and harder.Plus best of alll its alll natural.

[kyomu]

To get harder, you can you Chrysin, which is an exellent estrogen blocker, and is from passion flower.I would say 100mg a day of Chrysin will get you dryer and harder.Plus best of alll its alll natural.

Never heard of it.
Interesting.

[GetItOnNY]

Chrysin was big right around the year 2000.Then it kind of faded away, because its pretty inexpensive to make.But beleive it or not, I will bet anybody a $1000 that Chrysin is a better estrogen blocker, then Gaspari's Novedex.A bottle of Chrysin only costs, $3 a bottle to make, but its works great.People even passion flower,what Chrysin is made from  to help then sleep better.

[kyomu]

To get harder, you can you Chrysin, which is an exellent estrogen blocker, and is from passion flower.I would say 100mg a day of Chrysin will get you dryer and harder.Plus best of alll its alll natural.

Wiki doesnt say anything positive about this...
What can you say?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysin

[Van_Bilderass]

No. GH creats hardness.

OK, thanks.

To get harder, you can you Chrysin, which is an exellent estrogen blocker,

Bullshit. Cite references please. Chrysin has basically no bioavailability so don't post any in-vitro data.

Chrysin was big right around the year 2000.Then it kind of faded away, because its pretty inexpensive to make.But beleive it or not, I will bet anybody a $1000 that Chrysin is a better estrogen blocker, then Gaspari's Novedex.A bottle of Chrysin only costs, $3 a bottle to make, but its works great.People even passion flower,what Chrysin is made from  to help then sleep better.

Gaspari has a study showing it actually does something. Please show your evidence in favor of Chrysin.

[kyomu]

OK, thanks.

I dont know. According to the people around me..

[Van_Bilderass]

I dont know. According to the people around me..

I was just kidding, since you used to say insulin helps make you hard.

You can get hard without any drugs but you will need to lose another 20lbs or so.

[GetItOnNY]

Van, I am not going to argue with you.......it will only lower my IQ
Kyomou The reason why Chrysin didnt get much hype is because its cheap to make.But trust me I know alot of bodybuilders who have had problems with estrogen, and within 2-3 days, the nipple sensitivty was gone.
Chrysin is cheap and its works, for blocking estrogen.Plus its helps people sleep.

[Van_Bilderass]

If a guy is on no drugs why would he need estrogen blockers?

Answer that please.

[kyomu]

I was just kidding, since you used to say insulin helps make you hard.

You can get hard without any drugs but you will need to lose another 20lbs or so.

Yeah This time I will do it and I am extremely confident(No matter how Paco says that its impossible to get hard like Drug users...).

In this pic, I am 87.5kg.

In January, I will squeeze my body until 72kg!!!!!!(Paco says no need to... Anyway, i will be dry and i dont care about my size on this stage).

Then I will recuperate gradualy until 15 of March until 77kg around(Same weight as last year).


Lets see it!

[Schmoe Buster]

Van, I am not going to argue with you.......it will only lower my IQ
Kyomou The reason why Chrysin didnt get much hype is because its cheap to make.But trust me I know alot of bodybuilders who have had problems with estrogen, and within 2-3 days, the nipple sensitivty was gone.
Chrysin is cheap and its works, for blocking estrogen.Plus its helps people sleep.

didnt know you go lower than zero, stop the snake oil salesman BS

[kyomu]

Van, I am not going to argue with you.......it will only lower my IQ
Kyomou The reason why Chrysin didnt get much hype is because its cheap to make.But trust me I know alot of bodybuilders who have had problems with estrogen, and within 2-3 days, the nipple sensitivty was gone.
Chrysin is cheap and its works, for blocking estrogen.Plus its helps people sleep.

Mmmm Intersting..

[m8]

it's only natural if you want it to be

[Van_Bilderass]

Mmmm Intersting..

Are your nipples sensitive Kyomu? Perhaps have Paco squeeze them to see? 

Also, squeezing the testicles will increase testosterone (serious).