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Ok, this one does make me ask WTF.  So WTF :o 


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Re: Glenn Beck: Cars.gov allows government to takeover your computer
« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2009, 11:36:11 AM »
Ok, this one does make me ask WTF.  So WTF :o 



HE READ FROM THE DAMN WEBSITE HUGO. 

Thats not good enough for you?

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Re: Glenn Beck: Cars.gov allows government to takeover your computer
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2009, 11:47:15 AM »
Oh yeah .....Barry is now an expert on this as well.....oh but the Patriot act is soooooooooooooo horrible.  ::)

Internet companies and civil liberties groups were alarmed this spring when a U.S. Senate bill proposed handing the White House the power to disconnect private-sector computers from the Internet.

They're not much happier about a revised version that aides to Sen. Jay Rockefeller, a West Virginia Democrat, have spent months drafting behind closed doors. CNET News has obtained a copy of the 55-page draft of S.773 (excerpt), which still appears to permit the president to seize temporary control of private-sector networks during a so-called cybersecurity emergency.



The new version would allow the president to "declare a cybersecurity emergency" relating to "non-governmental" computer networks and do what's necessary to respond to the threat. Other sections of the proposal include a federal certification program for "cybersecurity professionals," and a requirement that certain computer systems and networks in the private sector be managed by people who have been awarded that license.

"I think the redraft, while improved, remains troubling due to its vagueness," said Larry Clinton, president of the Internet Security Alliance, which counts representatives of Verizon, Verisign, Nortel, and Carnegie Mellon University on its board. "It is unclear what authority Sen. Rockefeller thinks is necessary over the private sector. Unless this is clarified, we cannot properly analyze, let alone support the bill."

Representatives of other large Internet and telecommunications companies expressed concerns about the bill in a teleconference with Rockefeller's aides this week, but were not immediately available for interviews on Thursday.

A spokesman for Rockefeller also declined to comment on the record Thursday, saying that many people were unavailable because of the summer recess. A Senate source familiar with the bill compared the president's power to take control of portions of the Internet to what President Bush did when grounding all aircraft on Sept. 11, 2001. The source said that one primary concern was the electrical grid, and what would happen if it were attacked from a broadband connection.

When Rockefeller, the chairman of the Senate Commerce committee, and Olympia Snowe (R-Maine) introduced the original bill in April, they claimed it was vital to protect national cybersecurity. "We must protect our critical infrastructure at all costs--from our water to our electricity, to banking, traffic lights and electronic health records," Rockefeller said.

The Rockefeller proposal plays out against a broader concern in Washington, D.C., about the government's role in cybersecurity. In May, President Obama acknowledged that the government is "not as prepared" as it should be to respond to disruptions and announced that a new cybersecurity coordinator position would be created inside the White House staff. Three months later, that post remains empty, one top cybersecurity aide has quit, and some wags have begun to wonder why a government that receives failing marks on cybersecurity should be trusted to instruct the private sector what to do.

Rockefeller's revised legislation seeks to reshuffle the way the federal government addresses the topic. It requires a "cybersecurity workforce plan" from every federal agency, a "dashboard" pilot project, measurements of hiring effectiveness, and the implementation of a "comprehensive national cybersecurity strategy" in six months--even though its mandatory legal review will take a year to complete.

The privacy implications of sweeping changes implemented before the legal review is finished worry Lee Tien, a senior staff attorney with the Electronic Frontier Foundation in San Francisco. "As soon as you're saying that the federal government is going to be exercising this kind of power over private networks, it's going to be a really big issue," he says.

Probably the most controversial language begins in Section 201, which permits the president to "direct the national response to the cyber threat" if necessary for "the national defense and security." The White House is supposed to engage in "periodic mapping" of private networks deemed to be critical, and those companies "shall share" requested information with the federal government. ("Cyber" is defined as anything having to do with the Internet, telecommunications, computers, or computer networks.)

"The language has changed but it doesn't contain any real additional limits," EFF's Tien says. "It simply switches the more direct and obvious language they had originally to the more ambiguous (version)...The designation of what is a critical infrastructure system or network as far as I can tell has no specific process. There's no provision for any administrative process or review. That's where the problems seem to start. And then you have the amorphous powers that go along with it."

Translation: If your company is deemed "critical," a new set of regulations kick in involving who you can hire, what information you must disclose, and when the government would exercise control over your computers or network.

The Internet Security Alliance's Clinton adds that his group is "supportive of increased federal involvement to enhance cyber security, but we believe that the wrong approach, as embodied in this bill as introduced, will be counterproductive both from an national economic and national secuity perspective."

. Declan McCullagh is a contributor to CNET News and a correspondent for CBSNews.com who has covered the intersection of politics and technology for over a decade. Declan writes a regular feature called Taking Liberties, focused on individual and economic rights; you can bookmark his CBS News Taking Liberties site, or subscribe to the RSS feed. You can e-mail Declan at declan@cbsnews.com.
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Re: Glenn Beck: Cars.gov allows government to takeover your computer
« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2009, 11:52:30 AM »
HE READ FROM THE DAMN WEBSITE HUGO. 

Thats not good enough for you?
man you're dense.  I agree with Glenn here Like I said: "This one does make me ask WTF" 

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Re: Glenn Beck: Cars.gov allows government to takeover your computer
« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2009, 12:07:57 PM »
I'd like some more insight into this as well as it stands it's some fucked up shit.



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Re: Glenn Beck: Cars.gov allows government to takeover your computer
« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2009, 12:09:14 PM »
man you're dense.  I agree with Glenn here Like I said: "This one does make me ask WTF" 

So that former DA is looney as well Hugo? 

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Re: Glenn Beck: Cars.gov allows government to takeover your computer
« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2009, 12:23:40 PM »
So that former DA is looney as well Hugo? 
what....  the.... fuck.... are you talking about?  I fucking posted a fucking section from Glenn that I though was a valid concern made by glenn and you're pissed about that?  I thought you'd be happy about it!  What didn't you get about me saying this is a valid WTF?

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Re: Glenn Beck: Cars.gov allows government to takeover your computer
« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2009, 12:25:33 PM »
what....  the.... fuck.... are you talking about?  I fucking posted a fucking section from Glenn that I though was a valid concern made by glenn and you're pissed about that?  I thought you'd be happy about it!  What didn't you get about me saying this is a valid WTF?

I cant tell whether you are kidding or not sometimes. 

Everyone has been all over Beck lately, and I thought your posts were sarcasm on this. 

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Re: Glenn Beck: Cars.gov allows government to takeover your computer
« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2009, 12:33:43 PM »
I cant tell whether you are kidding or not sometimes. 

Everyone has been all over Beck lately, and I thought your posts were sarcasm on this. 
1st, I posted this at the same time I posted the beck lies thread.  Why wouldn't i just put it in there if that's where I was coming from.  And 2nd, I posted that I thought it was a legit concern.  You're taking the assumtion of sarcasm pretty far.

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Re: Glenn Beck: Cars.gov allows government to takeover your computer
« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2009, 12:47:49 PM »



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another one of his Not becks finest moments as 333386 calls them, I just call them lies

Glenn Beck and the Government’s Fictional Plot To Hijack Your Computer



Earlier this week Fox News host Glenn Beckdid a segment on the Government’s “Cash for Clunkers” program in which he “exposed” the plans of wicked, crazy, frightening people to [seize] all of your personal and private information.

Warning his users do not try this at home, Beck attempted to sign into the website to show his users a warning box which Fox quoted as saying the following:

This application provides access to the DoT CARS system. When logged on to the CARS system, your computer is considered a Federal computer system and is the property of the U.S. government… Any or all uses of this system and all files on this system may be intercepted, monitored, recorded, copied, audited, inspected, and disclosed to authorized CARS, DoT, and law enforcement personnel, as well as authorized officials of other agencies, both domestic and foreign.

By all accounts this is a pretty serious looking disclaimer and it appears to give the federal government license to take all manner of liberties on the user’s computer. The only problem with Beck’s expose and allegation is that he’s lying about it.

Beck pitches the entire story as if regular consumers are going to log on to the cars.gov website and, in the course of their use, encounter this message and blithely click “ok,” thereby giving the government’s jackbooted thugs the right to check out their financial spreadsheets and boost a copy of their porn collection.

That’s not going to happen.

An astute viewer of Beck’s expose might notice that the website that Beck is browsing is blue whereas the cars.gov website is green. This is no trick of the studio lights; though he never mentions it, what Beck is demonstrating only occurs on the dealer side of the website. The consumer side – the side that anyone who is not an automotive dealer will access – is green. What Beck demonstrates is not even something that a casual user of the site could stumble upon; they would have to go looking for it.

Indeed, regular users of the system can not even find the text Fox flashes up on the screen by going to www.cars.gov and following links. Users must first point their browser at a section of the site intended only for car dealers – http://www.cars.gov/index.php/dealersupport – and proceed from there. Clicking “Submit Transaction” and then “I agree,” from within this semi-private section of the site takes the user to an entirely different website, though one still administered by the Department of Transportation. Here the user may read the frightening text that Fox quoted and contextualized as a waiver for seizing all of your personal and private information.

And those that do read it will likely find that it does not say what Beck says that it says. The disclaimer in its full form reads as follows: [emphasis added]

This application provides access to the DoT CARS system. When logged on to the CARS system, your computer is considered a Federal computer system and is the property of the United States Government. It is for authorized use only. Users (authorized or unauthorized) have no explicit or implicit expectation of privacy.

Any or all uses of this system and all files on this system may be intercepted, monitored, recorded, copied, audited, inspected, and disclosed to authorized CARS, DoT, and law enforcement personnel, as well as authorized officials of other agencies, both domestic and foreign. By using this system, the user consents to such interception, monitoring, recording, copying, auditing, inspection, and disclosure at the discretion CARS or the DoT personnel.

That paragraph break is important; because of it, the disclaimer does not give the government permission to look at the files on the user’s system but rather warns the user that the government will be looking at the files on the application’s system, specifically those files submitted by the user. Such text is boilerplate on many government web applications and a quick Google Search turns up more than 800 instances of the “Any or all uses of this system and all files on this system…” verbiage on a collection of public and private sites.

Far from the malicious and conniving scenario that Beck presents, the federal government is merely warning the dealers to whom it will be writing checks that their submissions are subject to scrutiny.

As usual, Beck’s hysterical rantings have no basis in reality or fact and as usual the same dedicated collection of wing-nuts and conspiracy theorists have picked up the story as gospel truth without even the slightest degree of skepticism or doubt. We should expect no less of Fox, which has fought for and won its right to lie to the American people, but if we trust in liars we have no one to blame but ourselves.

 
 
 
 

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Re: Glenn Beck: Cars.gov allows government to takeover your computer
« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2009, 12:52:13 PM »
Ha Ha blacken - so because only the govt has ownership of the dealers' computers that makes it ok?   And what is on the dealers computer?  The consumers' info.   

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Re: Glenn Beck: Cars.gov allows government to takeover your computer
« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2009, 12:55:22 PM »
wait, so Beck lied even about this?  I'm SHOCKED!!! wait, no I'm not............  3333?

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Re: Glenn Beck: Cars.gov allows government to takeover your computer
« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2009, 12:59:21 PM »
actually I'm confused, reading that, it still doesn't sound good.  We need a lawyer.

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Re: Glenn Beck: Cars.gov allows government to takeover your computer
« Reply #13 on: August 28, 2009, 01:05:12 PM »
wait, so Beck lied even about this?  I'm SHOCKED!!! wait, no I'm not............  3333?

No, he was accurate.  I was commenting on Blackens' attempt to discredit the story.  The govts ownership of the computer used to process the transaction, which is the dealers'.   

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Re: Glenn Beck: Cars.gov allows government to takeover your computer
« Reply #14 on: August 28, 2009, 08:01:34 PM »
I believe Beck took a poorly-worded agreement and made it into something that it wasn't intended to be. In my interpretation, it seems that it is saying that while one is logged into the cars.gov system, whatever info is exchanged regarding cars.gov, the car dealer, and the user belongs to the gars.gov/gov't system. Not ALL YOUR BASES ARE BELONG TO US and your comp is owned.

I'm all for someone that loves America and not America™ to make people aware, but people like Beck and Grace are turning it into a joke. Idiocracy anyone?
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Re: Glenn Beck: Cars.gov allows government to takeover your computer
« Reply #15 on: August 28, 2009, 10:07:04 PM »
I believe Beck took a poorly-worded agreement and made it into something that it wasn't intended to be. In my interpretation, it seems that it is saying that while one is logged into the cars.gov system, whatever info is exchanged regarding cars.gov, the car dealer, and the user belongs to the gars.gov/gov't system. Not ALL YOUR BASES ARE BELONG TO US and your comp is owned.

I'm all for someone that loves America and not America™ to make people aware, but people like Beck and Grace are turning it into a joke. Idiocracy anyone?

Maybe you completely missed this part

"This application provides access to the DoT CARS system. When logged on to the CARS system, your computer is considered a Federal computer system and is the property of the United States Government. It is for authorized use only. Users (authorized or unauthorized) have no explicit or implicit expectation of privacy."

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Re: Glenn Beck: Cars.gov allows government to takeover your computer
« Reply #16 on: August 28, 2009, 10:49:32 PM »
And? When you log off the cars.gov, the agreement is void. The privacy is probably in regard to the nature of the transaction and NOT the contents of your drive.
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Re: Glenn Beck: Cars.gov allows government to takeover your computer
« Reply #17 on: August 28, 2009, 11:50:50 PM »
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Re: Glenn Beck: Cars.gov allows government to takeover your computer
« Reply #18 on: August 28, 2009, 11:52:19 PM »
OBAMA:

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wasn't this silently happening under Bush?

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Re: Glenn Beck: Cars.gov allows government to takeover your computer
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Re: Glenn Beck: Cars.gov allows government to takeover your computer
« Reply #20 on: August 28, 2009, 11:54:43 PM »
i'm out.

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Re: Glenn Beck: Cars.gov allows government to takeover your computer
« Reply #21 on: August 29, 2009, 12:04:43 AM »
wasn't this silently happening under Bush?

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