Juice is for the weak.

[Andre Nickatina]

Stop your hurting my feelings.

[Andre Nickatina]

You can only go so far naturally.........


Are you mad at juicers because they're bigger than you?....

We'll your healtier than them.....

It's a choice you have to make..

I'm a hater and i hope juicers get busted ands then get liver and kidney problems. jsut because they're bigger than me, yes.

[musclehedz]

I'm a hater and i hope juicers get busted ands then get liver and kidney problems. jsut because they're bigger than me, yes.

There is no evidence about regular dosaged juice being harmfull for adult males.

Hope this helps.

[BartBelgium]

let it out

let it all out


you'll feel better




 

[Andre Nickatina]

There is no evidence about regular dosaged juice being harmfull for adult males.

Hope this helps.

You read alot of what John Romano writes i take it. do your own research asshole. And if you juice i hope you get mean posession charges one day. And a fake batch.

[musclehedz]

Allready did, no luck i'm afraid. Never seen a juicer getting seriously ill, and trust me i know a lot of them.

[Earl1972]

what would a person that posts on a bodybuilding board yet looks down on juice be?

E

[BEAST 8692]

what would a person that posts on a bodybuilding board yet looks down on juice be?

E

a very very jealous, bitter and insecure individual ironically enough.

seriously, i don't know why all the hate for people that make, basically, a life choice.

the simple fact is that anabolic steroids are nowhere near as dangerous and harmful to society and health than other drugs that have been used, encouraged and available since, well, forever.

all this vitriol aimed at steroid users is a quite amusing and a little embarrassing on a bbing message board.

i would have more respect for these individuals if they simply admitted that the true motivation for their bitterness is that they have been bullied or abused and suffer psychological problems as a result.

to play the harm card is ludicrous. please, someone, anyone prove to me that steroids are anywhere close to being harmful as perfectly legal drugs like, say, alcohol or cigarettes.

anyone ..........(crickets)

[jonno gb]

At the end of the day we are all bodybuilders! There are enough people looking to attack us without this kind of childish infighting.Whether we take gear or stay natural is a personal choice and one that should be respected.I think bodybuilding is a far less hypocritical sport than many as you have the choice to compete naturally or assisted.The only 'cheating' involved is when drug users compete in natural contests which shows a distinct lack of balls and integrity.I am lifetime natural but have many friends who aren't.I will probably never have their size and thickness although I think I can show them a few things about condition There's no point in whinging though just make your choice and get on with it. 

[BEAST 8692]

At the end of the day we are all bodybuilders! There are enough people looking to attack us without this kind of childish infighting.Whether we take gear or stay natural is a personal choice and one that should be respected.I think bodybuilding is a far less hypocritical sport than many as you have the choice to compete naturally or assisted.The only 'cheating' involved is when drug users compete in natural contests which shows a distinct lack of balls and integrity.I am lifetime natural but have many friends who aren't.I will probably never have their size and thickness although I think I can show them a few things about condition There's no point in whinging though just make your choice and get on with it. 

here here!!!

[mrt]

Twats i say. Grow some balls and make it the manly way. A good old saying is there is no shortcut to being a champion. but you juiicers just likwe to take that nice easy way to building muscle. Before you mock me try staying natural and being a good size. that will prove youre status as a real champion. Get real juciers. your weak and have no fucking will to be great naturally.

he looked for a source for 2 years and couldnt find one,,,,so this is his have not speech!!!!

[Fulgorre]

Ummm, take a look at most 60 year olds who have NEVER taken hormones.  They are in bad shape my friend.  Now the studies are finding out low testosterone in men is an open door to diease and poor health.  I doubt your diet is even clean heh.  Probably be on Lipitor, Xanax, and Cialis by 50.

[Honour]

If you drink enough of this Juice......The ladies will love you for it!!!!

[strength]

You read alot of what John Romano writes i take it. do your own research asshole. And if you juice i hope you get mean posession charges one day. And a fake batch.

i am a former juicer, you are terribly rude.  I have many friends that still juice and it doesnt bother me.  Who are you to judge someone??  what skeletons are in your closet.

do u look at porn???

do u cheat on your taxes, or even pay taxes??

so your perfect?

[IrishMuscle84]

Man thats funny, I USE to think the same exact thing. My saying was ''STEROIDS ARE FOR THE WEAK MINDED" but you know what?? My view on "JUICE" quickly changed. The more and more I said that, the more curious I became about steroids and just recently Ive decided for sure that im gonna try juice, sauce, roids, whtever you wanna call them. Why?? Im curious, sooner or later, you will be too

[Acerimmer1]

There is no evidence about regular dosaged juice being harmfull for adult males.

Hope this helps.

Thats because there are no studies you muppet! I know plenty of guys on steroids they all had side effects. I did my dissertation on environmental causes of steroid use I had interviewed about 10 roiders one was impotent for 6 months (last count) and fucked up his kidneys. One was temporarily impotent and later got spots and started taking ruakatan aswell for the spots (which fucks up your liver) thats ontop of whatever else he took eg for bitch tits. Then he quit.

One occassionally complained of impotence and had rubber like discs under his nipples (pre-gyno I guess?) he had deep depression at one point and was taking valium.

Two guys I know but didn't interview had 6 strokes between them. There may have been drug interactions at play. 1 of them ended up with underactive thyroid (although this could be coincidence). One other came off steroids but was recieving hormone replacement on prescription in his mid 30's (which I know because I saw his prescription in the bin in the gym changing rooms).
 
Furthermore the affects of steroids are well documented eg the steroid shield.

Acute: Testes shut down
Chronic: Body produces testosterone anti bodies

All the hormonal affects tend to be primarily caused by duration of usage and not by dosage.

[metalruler]

Dun we all love juice...apple, orange, pina colada, grape, carrot...damn, there are so many juices to choose from that u dun know which bloody one works for ya....so choose ur juices carefully muscleheads

[trab]

Thats because there are no studies you muppet! I know plenty of guys on steroids they all had side effects. I did my dissertation on environmental causes of steroid use I had interviewed about 10 roiders one was impotent for 6 months (last count) and fucked up his kidneys. One was temporarily impotent and later got spots and started taking ruakatan aswell for the spots (which fucks up your liver) thats ontop of whatever else he took eg for bitch tits. Then he quit.

One occassionally complained of impotence and had rubber like discs under his nipples (pre-gyno I guess?) he had deep depression at one point and was taking valium.

Two guys I know but didn't interview had 6 strokes between them. There may have been drug interactions at play. 1 of them ended up with underactive thyroid (although this could be coincidence). One other came off steroids but was recieving hormone replacement on prescription in his mid 30's (which I know because I saw his prescription in the bin in the gym changing rooms).
 
Furthermore the affects of steroids are well documented eg the steroid shield.

Acute: Testes shut down
Chronic: Body produces testosterone anti bodies

All the hormonal affects tend to be primarily caused by duration of usage and not by dosage.

Here's a perfect example of the kind of ASSHOLEic "Research" done on the subject.
WhyTF dont you just go to the New England Journal of Med for their research on 600mgs a week of TE?
Or, the WHO's (World Health Org) long term contraceptive study?
Or many others done mostlly in Europe?  Because it wont support your AGENDA, THATS WHY.

10 steroid users selected BECAUSE they had problems
If the stuff were very dangerous there be Sport stadiums full of dead athletes - BECAUSE MOST USE!!

Yeah, they can harm you. So can Snicker Bars and Big Macs too.
ANother Nattie making excuses for his dissatisfaction. Hey cheer up, you prolly wont grow much on them anyway, and
ya too stupid too use them right. Prolly best you dont

[musclehedz]

ISNT'T THIS TROLLING?

"JUICE IS FOR THE WEAK"

Oh wait trolling against the bigger juicers is allowed, not vice versa.. now i get it.

[DK II]

Looks like the topic starter doesn't respond to gear very well, and wants to share it with us.

If you want to juice, it's fine, but maybe you should just go over to the steroid section instead of flaming here. 

[futurmrro]

who cares what these morons say....If you wanna be natural be natural and if u wanna juice go ahead and juice. Does it really matter? All i here from 90 percent of the natural people here is bitching becuase someone was able to gain more muscle than them in a shorter period of time and they feel its cheating cause they think they worked so hard for so little and blah blah blah. Who cares?   By the way for everyone speaking how horribly bad steroids are for you and for "Andre Nickatina" who obviously posted this thread to start a fight and get people bitching and moaning what about the health effects from drinking alcahol or eating fast food and so on and so on. What about the health effects americans are facing from all that shit? Why dont you post a usefull thread about the dangers of fast food and alcahol and tabacco and so on that is perfectly legal in this country?  Instead you gotta get on here trying to cause trouble.   By the way bodybuilding would not be what it is today or a billion dollar industry if it werent for the use of Anabolic Hormones

[trab]

If you want to juice, it's fine, but maybe you should just go over to the steroid section instead of flaming here. 

I agree w/ you that its gotten WAY outof control. Only reason I ever started posting here (GB) is theres so many clueless young guys about to MESS THEMSELF UP W/ aas BIG TIME HERE. Doses/stacks ideas are too high with a lot of guys that just started lifting! I never touched any steroid till I was 39. Yeah, I could have built a very inpressive body if I started in my 20s, but there was basicly no good info out there back then. I could see problems, wierd shit with the guys, and they were all basicly clueless as to what they were doing.

BBing can be a healthy persuit, even with limited amts of AAS IMO. But Pro BBing is far from that.
Bill Phillips, who wrote one of the 1st "Steroid bibles" said... "At a BBing comp, the most UNHEALTHY people are up on the stage, if Drs looked at their blood work, they'd want to hospitalize some of them!"

BUt that Mutant Ninja Turtle look sells. Without steroids, No IFBB, The Wielder empire would never have been built.
The insulin look is disgusting. I dont like Jays look, Ronnie was pushing it. Dorian was the only one to pull it off IMO.

[strength]

When i used to cycle, i remember looking at those guys around me in the gym that i knew did not use, and think to myself how bad i wish i had the confidence they did to train natural.  IT was like a never ending rat race.  I used for a few months, got huge, a lot of attention, but in the back of my mind i was always thinking, crap only 8,7,6,5 more weeks till i come back down to earth.  No matter what anyone sais, even with proper PCT you will not maintain the size you had while you were on.  There are 3 older guys(early 40's i think) in my gym who are very blatent about their use.  They are pathetic.  Huge, red, and bloated.   Squating 500 lbs on the smith machine, bouncing it off the rubber stoppers with a flat bench under their butts.  And this is the best part.  He gets up screams and sais "STICK THAT IN YOUR PIPE AND SMOKE IT"  If i wasnt there myself i would not have believed it.  Those guys like that who feel the need to juice are making up for something.  Im convinced.  I dont care what anyone sais on the steroid boards, they would love to be able to train naturally with confidence.  This is coming from personal experience.  Some i assume are able to do a cycle every now and then, but the majority are always cycling on and off.  If you dont compete, whats the point?  Some of this idiots need to start looking inside themselves and have a little heart to heart. 

[BEAST 8692]

When i used to cycle, i remember looking at those guys around me in the gym that i knew did not use, and think to myself how bad i wish i had the confidence they did to train natural.  IT was like a never ending rat race.  I used for a few months, got huge, a lot of attention, but in the back of my mind i was always thinking, crap only 8,7,6,5 more weeks till i come back down to earth.  No matter what anyone sais, even with proper PCT you will not maintain the size you had while you were on.  There are 3 older guys(early 40's i think) in my gym who are very blatent about their use.  They are pathetic.  Huge, red, and bloated.   Squating 500 lbs on the smith machine, bouncing it off the rubber stoppers with a flat bench under their butts.  And this is the best part.  He gets up screams and sais "STICK THAT IN YOUR PIPE AND SMOKE IT"  If i wasnt there myself i would not have believed it.  Those guys like that who feel the need to juice are making up for something.  Im convinced.  I dont care what anyone sais on the steroid boards, they would love to be able to train naturally with confidence.  This is coming from personal experience.  Some i assume are able to do a cycle every now and then, but the majority are always cycling on and off.  If you dont compete, whats the point?  Some of this idiots need to start looking inside themselves and have a little heart to heart. 

well, you've got a point there, but from what i can see, it seems it's the guys that are natural that have the insecurity.

think about it, these kind of threads are a dime a dozen on getbig. it's always guys that are natural pointing the finger and saying, "all drugs" while the juice heads just seem to go about their business.

you don't see the juicers pointing fingers at the naturals and complaining do you?

i remember Matt C would seemingly start a topic every day about juice this and juice that and you could just see that this guy was just dying to get on the gear.

if the these guys actually felt secure they wouldn't go on about it every 5 seconds.

any extra years of life they may have over the juicers is spent whinging and bitching about them.

anyway, food for thought.

[trab]

any extra years of life they may have over the juicers is spent whinging and bitching about them.

anyway, food for thought
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Yes, But The drugs are overdone IMO. I hate these guys,,, "I been training for 8 months now and want to ..

God, I could likely DOUBLE THEIR bench NAT in 12 months! (Thats because they lift so shity and wrong to start )