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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #200 on: May 16, 2016, 11:48:54 AM »
Yes, and the fact that information can be found to show a real battle in those key states, should throw cold water on the Hillary clowns.

Polls have been tightening in battleground states. 

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #201 on: May 16, 2016, 12:05:47 PM »
Polls have been tightening in battleground states. 

And let's not forget that anyone with even a hint of awareness, realizes there is absolutely nothing to Hillary.  Whether or not that would stop someone from voting for her against Trump, I don't know.  But when you have a good look at what she's about, there really isn't anything to show more than a drunken Obama in a wig.

She is a miserable excuse for a leader, and she may actually be dangerously deranged.

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #202 on: May 16, 2016, 01:01:28 PM »
And let's not forget that anyone with even a hint of awareness, realizes there is absolutely nothing to Hillary.  Whether or not that would stop someone from voting for her against Trump, I don't know.  But when you have a good look at what she's about, there really isn't anything to show more than a drunken Obama in a wig.

She is a miserable excuse for a leader, and she may actually be dangerously deranged.

I agree with everything except the deranged part.  She's not crazy.  She's just a typical greedy, partisan, dishonest, big government liberal.  Very predictable. 

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #203 on: May 16, 2016, 01:04:17 PM »
The Daily 202: The presidency is Hillary Clinton’s to lose. Here are 12 ways she could lose it.
 By James Hohmann May 16, 2016


Hillary Clinton campaigns yesterday in Fort Mitchell, Ky. (AP Photo/Andrew Harnik)

THE BIG IDEA:

The elites in Washington almost uniformly believe Hillary Clinton will be elected president in November. The conventional wisdom underlying coverage of 2016 is that Donald Trump will go down in flames and probably take the Republican Senate with him.

The presumptive GOP nominee has a well-documented history of misogyny, xenophobia and demagoguery. He has alienated women, Hispanics, Muslims, African Americans, Asian Americans and Native Americans. He has mocked the disabled, prisoners of war and Seventh-day Adventists. The speaker of the House and both living former Republican presidents are withholding endorsements.

It should be a slam dunk for HRC, right?

But, but, but: Six months is an eternity in politics, and a year ago no one in the chattering class –— including me –— believed Trump had any real shot at becoming the Republican standard-bearer. With Clinton struggling to sew up the Democratic nomination against a socialist septuagenarian –— she’s expected to lose tomorrow’s Kentucky primary –— we cannot foreclose the possibility that she will botch the fall campaign against the billionaire businessman.

The presidency is hers to lose, but here are a dozen ways Clinton can snatch defeat from the jaws of victory:

1. Complacency

Remember the Michigan primary? Every poll showed Clinton up double digits, but she lost to Bernie Sanders. One reason is that supporters and field staffers believed she had it in the bag.

The campaign has been using last week’s Quinnipiac polls showing tight races in Ohio, Florida and Pennsylvania to shake a greater sense of urgency into donors and activists.

Clinton is at her worst when she thinks she’s at her best. She tends to rise to the occasion only when her back is against the wall. Remember 2008? Or recall last summer, when Sanders looked like nothing more than a nuisance and polls showed her ahead by more than 50 points, how she joked about wiping her server clean with a cloth and how her handlers literally used ropes to corral journalists at a parade. Over time, she found herself neck-and-neck with Sanders, who is a weak candidate by most traditional measures. Under heavy pressure in the days before Iowa, when it looked like she could lose the caucuses, she temporarily became a much better campaigner –— then backslid after her wins in Nevada and South Carolina.

2. Unforced errors

When Hillary goes off her carefully scripted message, she has a tendency to gaffe. One reason she is expected to lose Kentucky tomorrow is her declaration at a town hall this spring that, “We’re going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business.”
 
Don’t forget about her other gaffes, like when she invoked 9/11 to defend her coziness with Wall Street, when she called Republicans the enemy or when she said she and her husband were “dead broke” when they left the White House in 2001.

And there was the time Clinton incensed the gay community by praising the Reagans for starting “a national conversation” about HIV/AIDS, prompting a quick retraction.

3. Not inspiring


Clinton cannot just make this election a referendum on Trumpism. She must outline a compelling vision for where she wants to take the country to fully activate the coalition that powered Barack Obama.

“I am not a natural politician, in case you haven't noticed, like my husband or President Obama," Clinton said at The Post’s debate in March.

The presumptive Democratic nominee campaigns in prose, not poetry. And she does not always try to be uplifting in her speeches.

It’s part of the explanation for why so many millennials, including young women, have spurned her for Bernie. While Sanders promises tuition-free college, she talks about extending an obscure tax credit. As my colleague David Fahrenthold explained in a story about Clinton’s wonkiness last week, this credit can be worth up to $2,500: “But only if students find their Form 1098-T, then fill out the relevant portions of Form 8863, then enter the amount from lines 8 and 19 of Form 8863 in lines 68 and 50 of their Form 1040.” That is not going to send a thrill up Chris Matthews’s leg….
 
4. Not being “likable enough”

My colleagues Dan Balz and Anne Gearan spoke with more than a dozen Clinton allies about her biggest weaknesses for a piece on today’s front page. “I bring it down to one thing and one thing only, and that is likability,” said Peter Hart, a Democratic pollster who has conducted a series of focus groups for the Annenberg Public Policy Center at the University of Pennsylvania. Hart said this is “about the lowest bar” for a candidate, and yet Clinton has lower likability numbers today than she did when the campaign began.

Balz and Gearan report that Clinton advisers are working to soften her stiff public image by highlighting her compassion and playing up her problem-solving abilities. “I mean, we can’t give her an injection to make her an energetic candidate,” one longtime Clinton family supporter and donor said on background. (Read the full piece here.)
 
5. Moving too far to the right

The Sanders campaign has circulated stories about Clinton forces reaching out to top Jeb Bush donors to convince them that “that she represents their values better” than Trump.

Clinton, who used to brag about being a Goldwater Girl in 1964, will be very tempted to appeal aggressively to moderate Republicans who are turned off by Trump. On paper, the Democrat will actually be more of a hawk and more willing to use military force than the Republican. The Donald is all over the place on policy, but Clinton is presently to his right on trade and campaign finance.

She needs Sanders supporters to unite behind her. If it looks like she’s shifting rightward to win votes, she will look inauthentic and many Bernie people will stay on the sidelines.

 
Sanders supporters dance for him at a rally in Salem, Oregon. (Rob Kerr/AFP/Getty Images)

6. Moving too far to the left

Clinton has treated Sanders with kid gloves recently. She wants him and his people to fall in line after the July convention in Philadelphia, and she calculates that antagonizing him is not worth sewing up the nomination earlier.

The Vermont senator has made clear he wants significant concessions, including very liberal policy planks in the party platform. The Clinton people will be inclined to give on a lot because the platform is not binding. Just last week, for instance, she embraced several reforms to the Federal Reserve that are sought by the progressive wing of the party.

But, if Hillary continues to lurch leftward to satisfy the Bernie people, it will be harder to win those in the middle and woo disaffected Republicans.

You might think it’s unfair to say Clinton cannot go too far left or too far right. But everyone running for president has this problem. It is a difficult needle to thread, yet the Clintons have proven deft at triangulation. Now, Hillary needs to be Goldilocks.

 
Bernie speaks at the L&N Train Depot in Bowling Green, Ky., on Saturday. (Austin Anthony/Daily News via AP)

7. Bungling her VP selection

There’s no perfect pick, and candidates who look great on paper might turn out to fall flat –— or have skeletons in their closet.

Citing four people close to the campaign, USA Today reports this morning that “Clinton is considering a running mate who could make a direct appeal to supporters of Sanders, bridging a generational and political divide” and that “Clinton’s chief requirements include a candidate’s resume and a fighter capable of hand-to-hand combat with Trump. The campaign’s vetting also prioritizes demographics over someone from a key swing state as she seeks to unify the Democratic voting base.”

There are parts of every would-be number two’s record that will upset at least some portion of the Democratic Party. Take this story that just posted on Politico: “Targeted by progressive activists hoping to kill his chances of being picked as Clinton’s running mate, Julián Castro is set this week to announce changes to what’s become a hot-button Housing and Urban Development program for selling bad mortgages on its books.”

8. Allowing herself to get defined as an insider

Clinton lost to Obama in 2008 by underestimating the electorate’s hunger for change. Once again, Hillary risks coming to represent the status quo in the eyes of voters who want a renegade.

“Right now, about 6 in 10 Americans have an unfavorable view of Trump.… But the country is faring even worse. … 64.9 percent think we are heading down the wrong track,” The Post’s Editorial Page Editor Fred Hiatt noted last week in a column warning Democrats not to celebrate Trump. “So what if even voters who respect Clinton’s competence reject her as the embodiment of business as usual? And what if even voters who do not like Trump’s bigotry or bluster care more that he will, in their view, shake things up? … I do have faith in the American voter, I really do. But when two-thirds of the country is unhappy, a rational outcome can’t be taken for granted.”

 
Donald Trump watches his daughter Tiffany graduate from Penn yesterday. (AP Photo/Matt Rourke)

9. Not directly engaging with Trump’s attacks

In trying to stay above the fray, Clinton could find herself defined by Trump. Remember the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth? John Kerry didn’t push back forcefully enough early on, and he paid a price.

Last week, Trump called Clinton an “enabler” of her husband’s behavior. While objectively offensive, the Democratic front-runner steadfastly refused to respond. “I’m going to let him run his campaign however he chooses,” she told reporters. “I have nothing to say about him.”

Trump gives a whole new meaning to term “bully pulpit.” And there is very conventional logic in not responding to every insult and attack: it leads to more repetition of the original charge and keeps it in the news.

Hillary dislikes the media. Her impulse is to keep the press away, to only give the appearance of access and to focus her attention on friendly outlets that will engage in puffery.

Trump, to his credit, talks to basically everyone. It gets him in trouble, like when he told Chris Matthews that women who get abortions should be punished. But the tradeoff is that he has often gotten to set the terms of the debate. If he repeats something enough times, however preposterous, some may come to believe it.

 
Bill Clinton speaks in Paterson, N.J., on Friday. (Chris Pedota/The Record of Bergen County via AP)

10. Bill going “off the reservation”

“I have a lot of experience dealing with men who sometimes get off the reservation in the way they behave and how they speak,” Hillary recently said on CNN. A few days later, she clarified on MSNBC that she was not referring to her husband –— but Rick Lazio and Vladimir Putin.

The former president has caused fewer headaches for his wife’s campaign than he did in 2008, when he called Obama’s bid “the biggest fairy tale I’ve ever seen,” said the other side was playing the “race card,” and downplayed a loss in South Carolina by noting Jesse Jackson Jr. had won there too.

That does not mean he has not ruined news cycles for his wife in 2016 –— or has the ability to.

Remember his outburst on the eve of the New Hampshire primary when he accused Sanders of being dishonest and his supporters of being sexist?

Or when he got into an on-stage argument with Black Lives Matter protesters in Philadelphia last month, defending his crime bill and his wife’s 1996 comment about bringing “super-predators … to heel”? The next day, he said: “I almost want to apologize.” But then didn’t.

The campaign must manage WJC appropriately. It’s hard to control any spouse; a former president – especially “The Big Dog” – is even harder.

Trump will try to make Hillary own all the unpopular elements of the Clinton era. Expect to hear a lot about Marc Rich’s pardon and the Lincoln Bedroom.

Hillary will take credit for the popular elements of her husband’s tenure and take umbrage when Trump tries to pin the unpopular parts on her, as she already has with the crime bill and Wall Street deregulation.

11. Being overly secretive

Clinton is not widely seen as trustworthy. Her refusal to release the transcripts of her speeches at Goldman Sachs will continue to dog her. Asked during a debate why she received $675,000 for three short appearances, she replied: “Well, I don't know. That’s what they offered.”

But Trump’s refusal to release his tax returns –— along with his evolving answers and lame excuses –— neutralizes this potential problem for the Clinton campaign.

FBI Director James Comey testifies on Capitol Hill. (AP Photo/Manuel Balce Ceneta, File)

12. Getting indicted

It is unlikely, but the FBI investigation into Clinton’s possible mishandling of classified information hangs like a cloud over her campaign.

“Investigators have found scant evidence tying Clinton to criminal wrongdoing, although they are still working on the case and charges have not been ruled out,” my colleague Ellen Nakashima reported last week. “They have also been interviewing former aides to Clinton, including Cheryl Mills, who served as chief of staff while Clinton was secretary of state. Prosecutors and FBI agents hope to be able to interview Clinton as they try to wrap up the investigation.”

Among other potential problems identified by supporters in Balz and Gearan’s story today: “Clinton’s unpopularity with white men, questions about whether her family philanthropic foundation helped donors and friends, and lingering clouds from her tenure at the State Department, including … the Benghazi attacks in which four Americans were killed and her support for military intervention in Libya.”

-- Don’t forget, history is not on Hillary’s side. Since World War II, only once has a party controlled the White House for three consecutive terms. (George H.W. Bush succeeded Ronald Reagan by beating Mike Dukakis in 1988.)

-- Bottom line: Clinton is more likely than not to be president at this time next year, but the election will probably be closer than you think and Trump could actually win if she doesn’t play her cards right.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/daily-202/2016/05/16/daily-202-the-presidency-is-hillary-clinton-s-to-lose-here-are-12-ways-she-could-lose-it/5738b37d981b92a22d7ee2f0/

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #204 on: May 16, 2016, 01:06:02 PM »
I agree with everything except the deranged part.  She's not crazy.  She's just a typical greedy, partisan, dishonest, big government liberal.  Very predictable. 

two democrats are running in this election.

only difference is, as you said, hilary is quite predictable.  You can almost write her presidency now.

Trump is a huge question mark.   Twitter war with the UK is the latest, I believe?  ;)

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #205 on: May 16, 2016, 01:10:45 PM »
I agree with everything except the deranged part.  She's not crazy.  She's just a typical greedy, partisan, dishonest, big government liberal.  Very predictable. 

I agree with you, except for the liberal part.  To me, she's a placeholder for that and it keeps many people from trying to find an actual liberal.

And if she gets into a dangerous situation, I believe we'll see her deranged side come out (we catch little glimpses of it when she throws back a shot and lets loose the cackle).  Let's just hope it isn't our final stand, whatever it is.

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #206 on: May 16, 2016, 04:17:00 PM »
Going to be one nasty campaign.

Little Is Off Limits as Donald Trump Plans Attacks on Hillary Clinton’s Character
By PATRICK HEALY
MAY 16, 2016
 
Supporters of Donald J. Trump waiting for a campaign rally this month in Lynden, Wash. In an interview, Mr. Trump noted that women did not like seeing Hillary Clinton insulted or bullied by men and said he planned to attack her more strategically. Credit David Ryder for The New York Times 
 
Donald J. Trump plans to throw Bill Clinton’s infidelities in Hillary Clinton’s face on live television during the presidential debates this fall, questioning whether she enabled his behavior and sought to discredit the women involved.

Mr. Trump will try to hold her accountable for security lapses at the American consulate in Benghazi, Libya, and for the death of Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens there.

And he intends to portray Mrs. Clinton as fundamentally corrupt, invoking everything from her cattle futures trades in the late 1970s to the federal investigation into her email practices as secretary of state.

Drawing on psychological warfare tactics that Mr. Trump used to defeat “Lyin’ Ted” Cruz, “Little Marco” Rubio and “Low-Energy” Jeb Bush in the Republican primaries, the Trump campaign is mapping out character attacks on the Clintons to try to increase their negative poll ratings and bait them into making political mistakes, according to interviews with Mr. Trump and his advisers.

Another goal is to win over skeptical Republicans, since nothing unites the party quite like castigating the Clintons. Attacking them could also deflect attention from Mr. Trump’s vulnerabilities, such as his treatment of women, some Trump allies say.

For Mrs. Clinton, the coming battle is something of a paradox. She has decades of experience and qualifications, but it may not be merit that wins her the presidency — it may be how she handles the humiliations inflicted by Mr. Trump.
 
“She is so prepared to be president, but holding her head high and staying dignified during the campaign is probably what will help her the most,” said Melanne Verveer, a longtime friend and former chief of staff to Mrs. Clinton. “Trump is yet another way she will be tested personally — one of her greatest tests yet.”

Mrs. Clinton has often flourished in the wake of boorish behavior: her husband’s affair with Monica Lewinsky, Kenneth W. Starr’s investigation of her husband, the congressional impeachment proceedings. Women rallied to her side during her 2000 Senate race after her Republican opponent, Representative Rick A. Lazio, invaded her personal space during one debate, and they helped her win the 2008 New Hampshire primary shortly after Barack Obama dismissively said she was “likable enough.”

Yet Mr. Trump said he was determined not to fall into those traps.

In a telephone interview, he noted that women did not like seeing Mrs. Clinton insulted or bullied by men. He said he wanted to be more strategic, by calling into question Mrs. Clinton’s judgment in her reaction to Mr. Clinton’s affairs — people close to the couple have said she was involved in efforts to discredit the women — and in her response to crises like Benghazi.

“Just getting nasty with Hillary won’t work,” Mr. Trump said. “You really have to get people to look hard at her character, and to get women to ask themselves if Hillary is truly sincere and authentic. Because she has been really ugly in trying to destroy Bill’s mistresses, and she is pandering to women so obviously when she is only interested in getting power.”

He acknowledged that Republicans tried to discredit her judgment in the marathon Benghazi hearing in the fall, to little avail. But he said that he would be more pointed and memorable in linking her to the failings and deaths in Libya, and that the debate would have a vastly larger television audience than the hearing. Still, advisers of Mrs. Clinton pointed to her face-off with the Republican-led Benghazi committee as a sign of her unflappability.
 
“From Rick Lazio to the House Benghazi committee, there’s a long line of Republicans who set out to personally attack Hillary Clinton but ended up inflicting the damage on themselves,” a Clinton campaign spokesman, Brian Fallon, said in a statement. “We know Donald Trump is the most unconventional of them all, but no matter what he throws at her, she will keep running her own campaign and won’t hesitate to call him out.”

Several Clinton advisers said they were not underestimating Mr. Trump’s ability to do some damage, acknowledging that Mrs. Clinton’s unfavorability ratings were high — though not as high as Mr. Trump’s — and that many Americans had concerns about her honesty and trustworthiness, according to polls.

But these Clinton advisers expressed confidence that Mr. Trump would overreach and engender sympathy for Mrs. Clinton. Two advisers said that the campaign had done polling to test the possible effectiveness of Mr. Trump’s lines of attacks and, while not disclosing details about the data, that they were convinced that he would not seriously hurt her.

Mrs. Clinton, in turn, has begun attacking Mr. Trump over his refusal to release his tax returns, suggesting he has something to hide, and over his temperament and leadership abilities by describing him as a “loose cannon.” And political allies say that, in time, voters will see through Mr. Trump’s criticisms.

“He can’t run on his forward-looking agenda because he doesn’t have one, and he can’t go after her on substantive policy because she knows so much more than he does,” said Thomas R. Nides, Mrs. Clinton’s former deputy secretary of state for management and resources.

Yet Mr. Trump has been steadily underestimated during the presidential campaign. His Republican rivals were certain that voters would tire of his slashing style and his harsh language, and some political strategists were sure his lack of policy details would make him unprepared in the eyes of too many.
 
Even one of Mrs. Clinton’s biggest assets to many Democrats — becoming the first female president and returning Mr. Clinton to a White House role — can be exploited as vulnerabilities.

“We’ve never had a woman at the top of the ticket, and there will be plenty of people who’ll have a problem with her gender,” said Christina Greer, a political scientist at Fordham University. And Mr. Trump “can say that Bill Clinton was accused of rape and destroyed a girl’s life,” she added, referring to allegations by Juanita Broaddrick of a sexual assault in the 1970s and to the Lewinsky affair.

With polls showing that Mr. Trump has unprecedented high negative ratings with voters and is in particular trouble with women, some Republican strategists say he has no choice but to try to drive up Mrs. Clinton’s unfavorability ratings. A recent CNN/ORC poll found that 57 percent of likely Trump supporters said that their votes were more to express opposition to Mrs. Clinton than to support Mr. Trump.

“His best way to rally hostile Republican delegates before the convention is to show he’s a great Clinton attack dog,” said Mike Murphy, a Republican strategist who oversaw a “super PAC” supporting Mr. Bush in this year’s Republican race.

Mark Penn, the chief strategist for Mrs. Clinton’s 2008 presidential campaign, and the Harvard University Center for American Political Studies have conducted polling that indicates that attacks against Mrs. Clinton over her private email server, the deaths in Benghazi and other issues would weaken her in a matchup against Mr. Trump.

“The poll shows he could bring her vote down with sharp attacks, but that does not bring his vote up,” Mr. Penn wrote in an email.

At a campaign rally for Mrs. Clinton on Wednesday in New Jersey, some supporters said they were concerned about the damage Mr. Trump could do. They described him as a street fighter and worried that Mrs. Clinton would not be gutsy and nimble enough to deliver a knockout punch.

“Trump is a real lowbrow brawler,” said Michael Magazzu, an entrepreneur in the energy sector from Vineland, N.J. “That’s not her style. She has to counteract him, and the best way may be to keep her cool.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/17/us/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton.html?_r=1

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #207 on: May 16, 2016, 05:39:04 PM »
Trump keeps talking about women, the women card, the women vote.

Not a smart way to win women.  Talk about jobs, the economy, solutions to crime, and other things which affect them. 

Women will mobilize and it won't be for him.   (Although at this point, that feels intentional)

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #208 on: May 17, 2016, 12:08:59 AM »
Trump keeps talking about women, the women card, the women vote.

Not a smart way to win women.  Talk about jobs, the economy, solutions to crime, and other things which affect them. 

Women will mobilize and it won't be for him.   (Although at this point, that feels intentional)

Hillary has a bigger problem with men than he does with women.

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #209 on: May 17, 2016, 08:25:08 AM »
Hillary has a bigger problem with men than he does with women.

The number of female voters has exceeded the number of male voters in every presidential election since 1964

http://www.cawp.rutgers.edu/sites/default/files/resources/genderdiff.pdf

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« Reply #210 on: May 17, 2016, 08:40:24 AM »
The number of female voters has exceeded the number of male voters in every presidential election since 1964

http://www.cawp.rutgers.edu/sites/default/files/resources/genderdiff.pdf

Trump still has the skills and 5 months to make up some of the slack. Life long democrat women voters I know tell me even though they despise his antics he still does have some sort of bizarre charm to him.

Hillary has absolutely zero of that.

And as you stated if he can turn this conversation towards the economy he has a better chance of bringing women over then she ever will bringing any men over.

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #211 on: May 17, 2016, 10:27:39 AM »
Politico: Trump Hires Pollster Tony Fabrizio
By Greg Richter   |   Monday, 16 May 2016

Donald Trump has hired veteran pollster Tony Fabrizio, who helped engineer Florida Gov. Rick Scott's unexpected victory, Politico reports.

Trump has for months resisted calls to hire a pollster, relying instead on his own business acumen and force of personality to capture vanquish 16 party rivals. Politico indicated Paul Manafort, whom Trump hired as convention manager, weeks ago, may have played a role in changing Trump's mind.

Fabrizio previously worked on Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul's failed presidential effort and Kentucky Gov. Matt Bevin's win in 2015. He is also an adviser for Florida Rep. Ron DeSantis' Senate campaign.

He also was worked for the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and the presidential campaigns of Sen. Bob Dole in 1996 and then-Texas Gov. Rick Perry in 2012.

He was also part of the Willie Horton campaign in 1988 that helped doom Democratic nominee Michael Dukakis' campaign by painting him as soft on crime.

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/donald-trump-hires-pollster-tony-fabrizio/2016/05/16/id/729107/#ixzz48w2Q9Z4F

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #212 on: May 17, 2016, 10:33:11 AM »
Hillary/Sanders.  *face palm*

Bernie’s The Early Favorite For Clinton’s Running Mate
Tuesday, May 17, 2016

They may still be embroiled in a contentious primary race, but Democratic voters appear to want Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders to run on the same presidential ticket later this year.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that from a list of five potential vice presidential picks, 36% of Likely Democratic Voters think Sanders should be Clinton’s running mate. Massachusetts Senator Elizabeth Warren comes in a distant second with 19%, while 10% prefer Housing and Urban Development Secretary Julian Castro.

Eight percent (8%) of Democrats think Clinton should tap New Jersey Senator Cory Booker for the VP spot, while just two percent (2%) say that of former Maryland Governor Martin O'Malley who dropped out of the 2016 Democratic presidential race in the early going. However, 12% of Democrats prefer some other candidate not listed, and 13% are undecided. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

Among all Likely Voters, Sanders is still the favorite with 26%, followed by Warren with 13%. Booker and O’Malley each come in with six percent (6%), while Castro is the favorite of five percent (5%). But 44% of voters are looking elsewhere, including 25% who prefer some other candidate and 19% who are not sure.

Seventy-eight percent (78%) of all voters say the vice presidential nominee will be important to how they vote in the upcoming presidential election, but that includes only 33% who say it is Very Important. Seventy-seven percent (77%) of Democrats consider the veep spot to be important to their vote, compared to 85% of GOP voters. Still, GOP voters (34%) are slightly less likely than Democrats (37%) to say the candidate in the number two slot is Very Important.

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The survey of 1,000 Likely Voters was conducted on May 11-12, 2016 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC. See methodology.

On the Republican side, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich and former presidential candidate Dr. Ben Carson are early favorites among GOP voters to run alongside presumptive nominee Donald Trump.

Because of the anti-establishment tone of Trump's and Sanders' campaigns, some have suggested that they should reach outside their party for a running mate, but voters strongly disagree. Sixty-eight percent (68%) say it’s at least somewhat important for a presidential candidate to pick someone from his or her own party to be the vice presidential candidate, including 35% who say that’s Very Important. Thirty percent (30%) don’t think it’s important, including only six percent (6%) who say it’s Not At All Important.

Republicans (50%) are far more likely than Democrats (32%) and voters not affiliated with either major party (21%) to think it’s Very Important for a presidential nominee to choose within the party.

Twenty-six percent (26%) of unaffiliated voters think Sanders should be Clinton’s vice presidential pick, while 10% prefer Warren. However, nearly half of these voters prefer someone else or are not sure.

Most Republicans don’t prefer any of the candidates listed, but Sanders still leads the pack among GOP voters with 15%.

Forty percent (40%) of voters under 40 think Sanders should be Clinton’s running mate, a view shared by just 21% of middle-aged voters and 17% of senior citizens. Though Sanders draws the most support in all three age groups, those 40 and over are more likely to prefer another candidate to any of those listed.

Interestingly given the heavy media coverage about Sanders’ struggles to gain their support, black voters (34%) feel even more strongly than white voters (22%) do that Sanders should be Clinton’s running mate. An even higher number (42%) of other minority voters support Sanders on the ticket with Clinton.

Despite the surprising success of Sanders, Democrats remain overwhelmingly convinced that Clinton is their party's likely presidential nominee for 2016.

The success of Sanders in the 2016 campaign has exposed the growing rift between the Democratic party establishment and the party’s more progressive wing. Forty-seven percent (47%) of Democrats believe the Democratic Party should be more like Clinton, but 39% say it should be more like Sanders. Twelve percent (12%) say the party should be like neither one.

Warren is perhaps just as popular as Sanders on the political left, but only 30% of Democrats last August thought the Massachusetts senator should have run for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2016. Forty-five percent (45%) said she shouldn’t run.

So far the Clinton-Trump race looks like it’s going to be a close one.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/bernie_s_the_early_favorite_for_clinton_s_running_mate

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« Reply #213 on: May 17, 2016, 12:01:09 PM »
Hillary/Sanders.  *face palm*

Bernie’s The Early Favorite For Clinton’s Running Mate
Tuesday, May 17, 2016

They may still be embroiled in a contentious primary race, but Democratic voters appear to want Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders to run on the same presidential ticket later this year.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that from a list of five potential vice presidential picks, 36% of Likely Democratic Voters think Sanders should be Clinton’s running mate. Massachusetts Senator Elizabeth Warren comes in a distant second with 19%, while 10% prefer Housing and Urban Development Secretary Julian Castro.

Eight percent (8%) of Democrats think Clinton should tap New Jersey Senator Cory Booker for the VP spot, while just two percent (2%) say that of former Maryland Governor Martin O'Malley who dropped out of the 2016 Democratic presidential race in the early going. However, 12% of Democrats prefer some other candidate not listed, and 13% are undecided. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

Among all Likely Voters, Sanders is still the favorite with 26%, followed by Warren with 13%. Booker and O’Malley each come in with six percent (6%), while Castro is the favorite of five percent (5%). But 44% of voters are looking elsewhere, including 25% who prefer some other candidate and 19% who are not sure.

Seventy-eight percent (78%) of all voters say the vice presidential nominee will be important to how they vote in the upcoming presidential election, but that includes only 33% who say it is Very Important. Seventy-seven percent (77%) of Democrats consider the veep spot to be important to their vote, compared to 85% of GOP voters. Still, GOP voters (34%) are slightly less likely than Democrats (37%) to say the candidate in the number two slot is Very Important.

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The survey of 1,000 Likely Voters was conducted on May 11-12, 2016 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC. See methodology.

On the Republican side, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich and former presidential candidate Dr. Ben Carson are early favorites among GOP voters to run alongside presumptive nominee Donald Trump.

Because of the anti-establishment tone of Trump's and Sanders' campaigns, some have suggested that they should reach outside their party for a running mate, but voters strongly disagree. Sixty-eight percent (68%) say it’s at least somewhat important for a presidential candidate to pick someone from his or her own party to be the vice presidential candidate, including 35% who say that’s Very Important. Thirty percent (30%) don’t think it’s important, including only six percent (6%) who say it’s Not At All Important.

Republicans (50%) are far more likely than Democrats (32%) and voters not affiliated with either major party (21%) to think it’s Very Important for a presidential nominee to choose within the party.

Twenty-six percent (26%) of unaffiliated voters think Sanders should be Clinton’s vice presidential pick, while 10% prefer Warren. However, nearly half of these voters prefer someone else or are not sure.

Most Republicans don’t prefer any of the candidates listed, but Sanders still leads the pack among GOP voters with 15%.

Forty percent (40%) of voters under 40 think Sanders should be Clinton’s running mate, a view shared by just 21% of middle-aged voters and 17% of senior citizens. Though Sanders draws the most support in all three age groups, those 40 and over are more likely to prefer another candidate to any of those listed.

Interestingly given the heavy media coverage about Sanders’ struggles to gain their support, black voters (34%) feel even more strongly than white voters (22%) do that Sanders should be Clinton’s running mate. An even higher number (42%) of other minority voters support Sanders on the ticket with Clinton.

Despite the surprising success of Sanders, Democrats remain overwhelmingly convinced that Clinton is their party's likely presidential nominee for 2016.

The success of Sanders in the 2016 campaign has exposed the growing rift between the Democratic party establishment and the party’s more progressive wing. Forty-seven percent (47%) of Democrats believe the Democratic Party should be more like Clinton, but 39% say it should be more like Sanders. Twelve percent (12%) say the party should be like neither one.

Warren is perhaps just as popular as Sanders on the political left, but only 30% of Democrats last August thought the Massachusetts senator should have run for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2016. Forty-five percent (45%) said she shouldn’t run.

So far the Clinton-Trump race looks like it’s going to be a close one.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/bernie_s_the_early_favorite_for_clinton_s_running_mate

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« Reply #214 on: May 17, 2016, 12:23:54 PM »
Put a dangerous, not-too-bright, uninformed, intemperate, dishonest narcissist in control of the military and give him access to nuclear weapons:  vote Donald Trump for president. 

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« Reply #215 on: May 17, 2016, 12:25:16 PM »
Put a dangerous, not-too-bright, uninformed, intemperate, dishonest narcissist in control of the military and give him access to nuclear weapons:  vote Donald Trump for president. 

Exactly.

I would rather vote MY conscience than just "give it" to the idiots that are in the big 2.

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« Reply #216 on: May 17, 2016, 12:25:32 PM »
NBC Poll: Trump, Hillary in Virtual Tie

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By Mark Swanson   |    Tuesday, 17 May 2016

A new NBC News/Survey Monkey poll released Tuesday shows Donald Trump has gained 2 percentage points on Hillary Clinton's lead nationally in one week.

 According to the poll:
•Clinton leads Trump 48 percent to 45 percent;
•Clinton leads Trump with African-American voters, 84 percent to 9 percent;
•Clinton leads Trump with Latino voters, 65 percent to 28 percent;
•Trump leads Clinton with independent voters, 44 percent to 36 percent;
•Clinton leads Trump with moderate voters, 53 percent to 39 percent.

According to NBC News, Clinton beats Trump by 15 points among women, while the billionaire developer carries men by a similar 11-percent margin.

Trump does better with voters with high school degrees, while Clinton leads with voters who have a college degree. Stunningly, Clinton leads Trump by 20 points with voters from households earning less than $50,000, reports NBC News.

The real estate mogul's connection to the working class has been a strong narrative in the Republican primary, especially in Rust Belt states, swing states that will play a key role in the general election.

Though Clinton maintains a double-digit lead over primary rival Bernie Sanders, the poll showed that Sanders defeats Trump by a wider margin in a would-be general election.

Clinton held a 5-point national lead over Trump last week.

Further, The Hill reports that 6 out of 10 Republicans polled trust Trump over Speaker Paul Ryan. Trump leads Ryan 63 percent to 34 percent with voters who say they are very conservative.

Trump and Ryan met last week to start the process of healing and unifying the party. On the line is Ryan's endorsement of Trump.

The survey of 14,100 adults was administered May 9-15. It has a margin of error of plus or minus 1.2 percentage points.

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/Poll-Clinton-Trump-National/2016/05/17/id/729137/#ixzz48wU13SZS

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« Reply #217 on: May 17, 2016, 12:25:58 PM »
Exactly.

I would rather vote MY conscience than just "give it" to the idiots that are in the big 2.

I agree.

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« Reply #218 on: May 17, 2016, 12:49:01 PM »
Help Ensure A Stacked Liberal Supreme Court and a Socialist for Vice President: Vote Gary Johnson for President

I agree 100%

A vote for Gary Johnson is a vote for:

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2016/01/04/hillary-im-not-lying-so-the-benghazi-families-must-be-n2099353

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« Reply #219 on: May 17, 2016, 01:11:16 PM »
Put a dangerous, not-too-bright, uninformed, intemperate, dishonest narcissist in control of the military and give him access to nuclear weapons:  vote Donald Trump for president. 

I'd ask you who do you think is more likely to steer the country into a highly dangerous showdown with another major global power - Trump or Hilary - and I think if you'd answer (which I doubt), you would say it's Trump.

Hilary will be Obama II.   We'll grow weaker and more liberally gradually, but she's been playing ball with these world leaders since 1992 in one way or another.  No surprises.

Trump won't rule out using Nukes in Europe.  Think that through, people. 

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« Reply #220 on: May 18, 2016, 10:08:28 AM »
Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump Are Winning Votes, but Not Hearts
By MICHAEL BARBARO
MARCH 15, 2016

The victories were lopsided. The celebrations were effusive. The delegates were piling up by the hundreds.

But Donald J. Trump and Hillary Clinton’s resounding triumphs on Tuesday masked a profound, historic and unusual reality: Most Americans still don’t like him. Or her.

Both major parties must now confront the depth of skepticism, resistance and distaste for their front-runners, a sentiment that would profoundly shape a potential general election showdown between Mr. Trump and Mrs. Clinton.

Even as they watched the two candidates amass large margins on Tuesday, historians and strategists struggled to recall a time when more than half the country has held such stubbornly low opinions of the leading figures in the Democratic and Republican Parties.

“There is no analogous election in the modern era where the two top candidates for the nomination are as divisive and weak,” said Steve Schmidt, a top campaign adviser to George W. Bush in 2004 and John McCain in 2008. “There is no precedent for it.”

Mrs. Clinton’s commanding wins in the swing states of Ohio, North Carolina and Florida seemed to hobble the once robust challenge of Senator Bernie Sanders. And Mr. Trump’s dominance in Florida, North Carolina and Illinois knocked out Senator Marco Rubio and propelled Mr. Trump even closer to the Republican nomination.

This would be the moment, under normal circumstances, when the de facto nominees, emerging victorious from the intramural skirmishes of their parties’ nominating contests, would invite an eager national electorate to take their measure. And in their victory speeches, both tried their best, issuing broad appeals for Americans to unite behind them.

But Mr. Trump has unnerved many Americans with his inflammatory oratory and radical-sounding proposals. And Mrs. Clinton, while viewed as a more seasoned and serious political figure, has struggled in her campaign to win the trust of the American electorate. And it is all but impossible for the country to take a fresh look at them.

America has lived with Mr. Trump and Mrs. Clinton, in a remarkably intimate fashion, for decades, processing their controversies, achievements and setbacks, from impeachment to marital breakdowns, Senate victories to flashy skyscraper openings. Voters’ impressions of them, with few exceptions, are largely formed and fixed. According to Gallup, 53 percent of Americans have an unfavorable opinion of Mrs. Clinton and 63 percent have such a view of Mr. Trump.

“You are talking about two universally known figures here,” said David Axelrod, the former Democratic strategist and former adviser in the Obama White House. “The strong feeling that each generates is unusual.”

The negative perceptions will be difficult to overcome.

Fewer than half of Republican voters across five states on Tuesday said Mr. Trump was honest and trustworthy. Even in the states where he won, a majority of voters do not view him as truthful.

And while majorities of Democratic voters viewed Mrs. Clinton as honest and trustworthy, she finished second to Mr. Sanders among those who said honesty mattered most in their decision.

That reality is forcing the Trump and Clinton campaigns to prepare for all-out warfare against each other, an improbably brutal dynamic for a pair of New Yorkers whose paths have crossed, repeatedly, for years — even on the way down the wedding aisle. (Mrs. Clinton and her husband, former President Bill Clinton, attended Mr. Trump’s third wedding, in 2005.)

They are devising appeals that are as much arguments that their all-but-certain opponent would be disastrous for the nation as they are messages trumpeting their own virtues or character.

Aides to both predict that a Clinton-Trump contest would be an ugly and unrelenting slugfest, as she pounces on his business practices and personal integrity, portraying him as unscrupulous robber baron, and he lacerates her over ethical lapses and sudden riches, painting her as a conniving abuser of power certain to be indicted in a federal investigation.

There is, both sides concede, plenty of material to mine, stretching back to 1980s Arkansas (for her) and 1970s New York (for him).

Voters are strikingly familiar with the candidates’ biographical vulnerabilities and political liabilities, interviews show, and they express disapproval in vivid, sweeping terms.

Kent Moore, 51, a Democrat from Charlotte, N.C., does not simply dislike Mrs. Clinton. He doubts her basic values.“She has no moral center,” Mr. Moore said.

He ticks off past sins: She favored free trade agreements that have killed American jobs, he said, and she supported the misbegotten 2003 war in Iraq. How, he wondered, could she beat Mr. Trump with a record like that?

Even those who vote for Mrs. Clinton harbor reservations. Renee White, 31, a Democrat in Youngstown, Ohio, is not entirely convinced that Mrs. Clinton, her choice in Tuesday’s primary, cares about people like her, she said. “A lot of people,” she said, “just don’t trust her at all.”

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The views of Mr. Trump from Republicans are almost equally uncharitable and unwavering.

“Too crude and rude,” is how Nikki Heath, 59, a graphic artist from the Columbus, Ohio, area put it. She supports the state’s low-key, genial governor, John Kasich. She has written off Mr. Trump and his antics as “an embarrassment.”

The distaste is so strong that voters speak of a radical transformation (or personality transplant) required for them to consider backing Mr. Trump.

“He’s going to have to be completely different,” said Steve Rogers, an engineer in Ohio who will try to hold his nose and back him if he becomes the nominee.

Those dim assessments are not isolated, which is why the commanding tallies that Mr. Trump and Mrs. Clinton have collected are pushing both parties into uncharted waters. Should they clinch the nomination, it would represent the first time in at least a quarter-century that majorities of Americans held negative views of both the Democratic and Republican candidates at the same time.

The highest unfavorability rating for any nominee or front-runner was 57 percent, for the elder George Bush, in October 1992, as he emerged from a difficult first term in the White House. But his Democratic rival, Mr. Clinton, was widely liked: Just 38 percent viewed him unfavorably, according to Gallup.

The unpopularity of Mr. Trump and Mrs. Clinton is prompting Republicans and Democrats to weigh unusual considerations at the ballot box.

Lowell P. Weicker Jr., who sought the Republican nomination for president in 1980 and served as an independent governor of Connecticut in the 1990s, said he held Mrs. Clinton in low regard. But he holds Mr. Trump in even greater contempt. “I don’t like her,” Mr. Weicker said, “but I am sure going to vote for her over Trump.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/16/us/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump.html?_r=0

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« Reply #221 on: May 18, 2016, 10:10:14 AM »
Trump's Bill Clinton Barb Contradicts Past Praise

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By Cathy Burke   |   Wednesday, 18 May 2016

Donald Trump, who is lambasting President Bill Clinton's economic record, last year called him the best of the past four commanders-in-chief – and has repeatedly lavished praise on the former executive over the years.

Trump lobbed a Twitter bomb Tuesday after Democratic presidential front-runner Hillary Clinton announced her plan to put her husband in charge of fixing the economy, tweeting: “How can Crooked Hillary put her husband in charge of the economy when he was responsible for NAFTA, the worst economic deal in U.S. history?

USA Today points out, however, that last June on MSNBC's "Morning Joe," Trump picked Bill Clinton as the best of the past four executives.

The newspaper also chronicles other instances where Trump enthused about the 42nd president of the United States, including:

In 1997, when he told CNN's Robert Novak: "I think Bill Clinton has done a terrific job. I don't think he's been treated very fairly."
In 1999, when he told the Associated Press that Clinton "could have gone down as a very good and almost great president, primarily because of the economy."
In 1999, when he praised Bill Clinton on NBC for his "two best appointments" – Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin and Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan.

In 2009, when in an interview with  Fox News’s Sean Hannity, Trump said the economy "did great under Ronald Reagan. And it did great under Bill Clinton, in all fairness."

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/Donald-Trump-Bill-Clinton-Hillary-Clinton-Election-2016/2016/05/18/id/729399/#ixzz491oXRgPo

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« Reply #222 on: May 18, 2016, 10:19:59 AM »
trump and bill were golfing buddies for years.

bill called him and 'encouraged him to get more involved" right before he announced his plan to wreck the GOP and paint repubs as racist, sexist pricks.

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« Reply #223 on: May 18, 2016, 03:12:10 PM »
Their agenda is to serve the top 1% even if that means killing off the middleclass. They cant run on this so they create an enemy to take focus away.
Dictators all over use this method all the time. If you convince and scare the population enough you can do almost anything.

Right on the money, all this debating politic is just childish.

In the Democratic side Hillary Clinton said that this country can't afford to pay for college but so far the USA have spent a trillion dollars in the wars in the Middle East and is spending billions with no end in sight. That's how much the elite think of the middle class.

And the Republican side? They orchestrated the whole 9/11 false flag operation to begin with.

 Donal Trump can be a lot of things but he has the money to be independent and knows how to run multimillion dollar corporations. Not to mention he has met more leader internationally than any other President in the history of the USA.

The question is, if he wins will make America Great again or he will just bend over to the elites, like the Rothschild, the banks and Wall Street. Only time will tell.

And if Hillary wins, get ready to get bend over middle class, because she's a bigger chikenhawk than all the Republicans put together, and there is enough information out there that prove what a lying and corrupt piece of shit she is. May God help us all.

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« Reply #224 on: May 18, 2016, 03:24:36 PM »
How is Trump not the elite?

He IS the 1%!

Yes, Hillary is shitty, no argument, but they are BOTH in the 1% category... Neither Trump, nor Hillary will be any different.

Amazing how in 2016 a person in the top 1% can fool the people in the bottom 30% that he's "with them".

HAH!