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2nd Amendment was created to protect slavery!
« on: January 21, 2013, 06:51:44 AM »
the Constitution's Second Amendment was created to bolster slavery and capture land from Native Americans, award winning actor Danny Glover told a group of students at a Texas A&M sponsored event on Thursday.

Actor Danny Glover told students at Texas A&M University the intent of the Second Amendment was to protect slavery.
“I don’t know if you know the genesis of the right to bear arms,” he said. “The Second Amendment comes from the right to protect themselves from slave revolts, and from uprisings by Native Americans.”


A revolt from people who were stolen from their land or revolt from people whose land was stolen from, that’s what the genesis of the second amendment is,” he continued.

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Re: 2nd Amendment was created to protect slavery!
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2013, 07:00:54 AM »
Does Mr. Glover have any documentation, evidence or any other sources to bolster his assertions?
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Re: 2nd Amendment was created to protect slavery!
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2013, 07:06:29 AM »
This is from THE HIDDEN HISTORY OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT- University of California at Davis Law Review

"Slavery was not only an economic and industrial system," one scholar noted, "but more than that, it was a gigantic police system." Over time the South had developed an elaborate system of slave control. The basic instrument of control was the slave patrol, armed groups of white men who made regular rounds. The patrols made sure that blacks were not wandering where they did not belong, gathering in groups, or engaging in other suspicious activity. Equally important, however, was the demonstration of constant vigilance and armed force. The basic strategy was to ensure and impress upon the slaves that whites were armed, watchful, and ready to respond to insurrectionist activity at all times. The state required white men and female plantation owners to participate in the patrols and to provide their own arms and equipment, although the rich were permitted to send white servants in their place.

Virginia, South Carolina, and Georgia all had regulated slave patrols.  By the mid-eighteenth century, the patrols had become the responsibility of the militia.  Georgia statutes  enacted in 1755 and 1757, for example, carefully divided militia districts into discrete patrol areas and specified when patrols would muster. The Georgia statutes required patrols, under the direction of commissioned militia officers, to examine every plantation each month and authorized them to search "all Negro Houses for offensive Weapons and Ammunition" and to apprehend and give twenty lashes to any slave found outside plantation grounds.

In the South, therefore, the patrols and the militia were largely synonymous. The Stono Rebellion had been quickly suppressed because the white men worshiping at the Wiltown Presbyterian church on that Sunday morning had, as required by law, gone to church armed. Some of the accounts of Stono refer to the body of white men who attacked the black insurrectionists as the "militia"  while others refer to them as "planters." This is a distinction without a difference; the two groups were one and the same. Virtually all able-bodied white men were part of the militia, which primarily meant that they had slave control duties under the direction and discipline of the local militia officers.

The militia was the first and last protection from the omnipresent threat of slave insurrection or vengeance.  The War for Independence had placed the South in a precarious position: sending the militia to the war against the British would leave Southern communities vulnerable to slave insurrection. The Southern states, therefore, often refused to commit their militia to the Revolution, reserving them instead for slave control. Nor could the South help by sending much in the way of arms, for rifles were in short supply and necessary to defend against possible slave insurrection.

After the war, the militia remained the principal means of protecting the social order and preserving white control over an enormous black population. Anything that might weaken this system presented the gravest of threats. The South's fear that the North might destabilize the slave system ¾ weakening white control over the slave population ¾ gave anti-Federalists a powerful weapon.
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Re: 2nd Amendment was created to protect slavery!
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2013, 07:10:43 AM »
haha, i thought he was a well integrated african american, now as he ages he goes back to his ethnic roots and his deep inner racism comes to the surface....made quite a fair share of money off the white american public for decades tho...when politically correct multiculturalism was in all movies from the color purple to action flicks.

Since blacks have been freed, they ve bee using weapons to kill each others and rob white people.

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« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2013, 07:11:37 AM »
I agree that having armed citizens kept the slaves from rebelling, but I disagree that this is the SOLE reason for the 2nd Amendment. Having an armed populace (Minutemen) against British soldiers during the Revolutionary War also played a part.
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Re: 2nd Amendment was created to protect slavery!
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2013, 07:14:41 AM »
This is a sure sign the 2nd Amendment is here to stay. They always pull out that race card as a last resort.

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« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2013, 07:15:07 AM »
I agree that having armed citizens kept the slaves from rebelling, but I disagree that this is the SOLE reason for the 2nd Amendment. Having an armed populace (Minutemen) against British soldiers during the Revolutionary War also played a part.
The Second Amendment was not enacted to provide a check on government tyranny; rather, it was written to assure the Southern states that Congress would not undermine the slave system by using its newly acquired constitutional authority over the militia to disarm the state militia and thereby destroy the South's principal instrument of slave control. In effect, the Second Amendment supplemented the slavery compromise made at the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia and obliquely codified in other constitutional provisions.

http://www.saf.org/lawreviews/bogus2.htm
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« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2013, 07:19:17 AM »
The Second Amendment was not enacted to provide a check on government tyranny; rather, it was written to assure the Southern states that Congress would not undermine the slave system by using its newly acquired constitutional authority over the militia to disarm the state militia and thereby destroy the South's principal instrument of slave control. In effect, the Second Amendment supplemented the slavery compromise made at the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia and obliquely codified in other constitutional provisions.

http://www.saf.org/lawreviews/bogus2.htm

E-Kul - I'm sure you can find obscure college papers to support your assertion all day long. Obscure college papers presenting an opinion are not fact. Again, obscure college papers, presenting a single opinion, are not fact. I can do the same thing. Examples below.

Why was it written?

We migrated to the United States to escape oppressive totalitarian government.
The concept behind the United States is that the centralized federal government has limited power over the people (as opposed to the dictatorships from which we came)
The Second Amendment states that in order to maintain a free state, the people must retain the right to keep and bear arms.  The presence of armed citizens is what keeps the government "honest".  No government would be foolish enough to impose a dictatorship on people who have the ability to resist.
The Second Amendment does not grant us this right. This right already existed.  The Second Amendment merely prevents the government from infringing on it.

http://members.tripod.com/~waycool_dude/secondamendment.html


The right to have arms in English history is believed to have been regarded as a long-established natural right in English law, auxiliary to the natural and legally defensible rights to life.[10] The English Bill of Rights 1689 emerged from a tempestuous period in English politics during which two issues were major sources of conflict: the authority of the King to govern without the consent of Parliament and the role of Catholics in a country that was becoming ever more Protestant. Ultimately, the Catholic James II was overthrown in the Glorious Revolution, and his successors, the Protestants William III and Mary II, accepted the conditions that were codified in the Bill. One of the issues the Bill resolved was the authority of the King to disarm its subjects, after James II had attempted to disarm many Protestants, and had argued with Parliament over his desire to maintain a standing (or permanent) army.[11] The bill states that it is acting to restore "ancient rights" trampled upon by James II, though some have argued that the English Bill of Rights created a new right to have arms, which developed out of a duty to have arms.[12] In District of Columbia v. Heller (2008), the Supreme Court did not accept this view, remarking that the English right at the time of the passing of the English Bill of Rights was "clearly an individual right, having nothing whatsoever to do with service in the militia" and that it was a right not to be disarmed by the Crown and was not the granting of a new right to have arms.[13]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
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Re: 2nd Amendment was created to protect slavery!
« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2013, 07:24:27 AM »
^^^ That doesn't mean anything nor are they college papers.  I posted a link to the University of California at Davis Law Review, it is a well researched paper, and one that you could certainly learn from, although it will conflict with your BIASES,
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Re: 2nd Amendment was created to protect slavery!
« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2013, 07:27:36 AM »
I agree that having armed citizens kept the slaves from rebelling, but I disagree that this is the SOLE reason for the 2nd Amendment. Having an armed populace (Minutemen) against British soldiers during the Revolutionary War also played a part.

Early in the war some revolutionaries argued that the militia, which had proven its competence at Lexington and Bunker Hill, could sustain a large part of the resistance to the British. By late 1776 little attachment to this idea remained . . . . Almost all revolutionaries agreed that a standing army, no matter how suspect and unwelcome, was necessary. Every state supported the idea that a Continental Army should bear the main fighting; every state tried to recruit and supply it; every state preferred to be defended by it.
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Re: 2nd Amendment was created to protect slavery!
« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2013, 07:28:47 AM »
Why is anyone paying attention to Danny Glover of all people.... ::)
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Re: 2nd Amendment was created to protect slavery!
« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2013, 07:36:20 AM »
Why would a repeal of the second amendment be any better at preventing gun crime than it was at protecting slavery? 

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Re: 2nd Amendment was created to protect slavery!
« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2013, 07:42:02 AM »
You're pretty transparent E-Kul.
What you're doing is saying that the 2nd Amendment was created SOLEY to protect slavery.
Any other reason, is simply "meaningless". Right?

And, since there is no more slavery, there is no more reason for the 2nd Amendment.

That's your logic and nothing will ever convince you otherwise. Good luck with this train of thought.  8)
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Re: 2nd Amendment was created to protect slavery!
« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2013, 07:46:17 AM »
I love it when people look back in our history for inspiration and find what a cluster-fuck of repression and death this place has been since it was invaded (not settled) by the Puritans. Love it! Indians, blacks, Mexicans, et cetera we've killed them all.

I also love it when people quote the Founding Fathers as if the FFs (first fuckheads) were not slave-owners who believed that only rich people have a right to vote.

How and why people keep looking back to these individuals for guidance is testament of how well the American media shapes thought in this country.

I love to read counter historical books and my shit the fan when I read Sundown Towns by Jim Loewen. Just when I though I'd read it all about our propensity to hate and destroy other human beings and their possessions, here comes a book that says that The Reconstruction period was nothing but a white phenomena and that the freed black's lives, although initially improved, when from bad to worse.

And this is the real stuff that comes to the surface when you dig deep enough. It certainly made me understand why some black people hate white people. It's a reaction to our action. The Jews have a right to hate Nazis. The black South Africans have a right to hate white South Africans.

Coming back to the US and Sundown Towns... Between 1890 and 1950 whites in the US went on a rampage the likes you can only find in South Africa at the turn of the XIX century. And the synthesis was always the same in every town, in thousands of towns: black guy rapes white girl. White mob gathers in main square and forces all, or most, blacks out of town at gunpoint and warn them to not return. Slowly but surely all blacks are forced out of their homes, their possessions stolen along with their dignity.

It was full-fledged Apartheid, and such a system needs to be defended, not maintained, hence the NRA and the gun problem we have today. 

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Re: 2nd Amendment was created to protect slavery!
« Reply #14 on: January 21, 2013, 07:46:28 AM »
Complete abolishment of firearms throughout the populace would do absolutely nothing to reduce crime rates or instances of mass murder.  Crime rates and mental illness exist entirely outside the realm of the gun control debate.  

Further gun control measures are nothing more but yet another rule or regulation imposed upon citizens.

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« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2013, 07:46:58 AM »
You're pretty transparent E-Kul.
What you're doing is saying that the 2nd Amendment was created SOLEY to protect slavery.
Any other reason, is simply "meaningless". Right?

And, since there is no more slavery, there is no more reason for the 2nd Amendment.

That's your logic and nothing will ever convince you otherwise. Good luck with this train of thought.  8)
It was created in a completely different time, regardless of the reasons, Times change, and so should people.  LAWS should be enacted based on NEED, and not remain stagnant and become redundant.  This has been the FUNDAMENTAL issue with religion.  They have been FORCED to CHANGE or else they would have become extinct long ago.  Personally, I think the average American is unlikely to change, they are too STUCK in their ways, and lack the necessary ability to reflect and develop the required self awareness that leads to lasting change.  I think regardless of the LAWS Americans will be killing each other at an alarming rate for a long time too come.
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Re: 2nd Amendment was created to protect slavery!
« Reply #16 on: January 21, 2013, 07:48:33 AM »
who gives a fuck anyways, there s no slavery anymore and the potus is black...old angry racist black man is boring. They want it all without being able to do what is required to create, obtain it. I can see why our white ancestors kept them in check with weapons.

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« Reply #17 on: January 21, 2013, 07:49:00 AM »
.  I think regardless of the LAWS Americans will be killing each other at an alarming rate for a long time too come.

Because murder doesn't exist in any other country.  ::)
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« Reply #18 on: January 21, 2013, 07:51:17 AM »
I love it when people look back in our history for inspiration and find what a cluster-fuck of repression and death this place has been since it was invaded (not settled) by the Puritans. Love it! Indians, blacks, Mexicans, et cetera we've killed them all.

No you didnt kill them all, as they re stil alive and well, and learnt how to imitate you until one day they ll replace you. Isnt life ironical.

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« Reply #19 on: January 21, 2013, 07:52:54 AM »
TBH it doesn't matter if Glover is right or not, the fact is the US constitution was drafted by a bunch of slave owners, so why in the US this ancient text created by murderers and rapists is deemed so sacred, does seem quite strange.

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« Reply #20 on: January 21, 2013, 07:54:46 AM »
Complete abolishment of firearms throughout the populace would do absolutely nothing to reduce crime rates or instances of mass murder.  Crime rates and mental illness exist entirely outside the realm of the gun control debate.  

Further gun control measures are nothing more but yet another rule or regulation imposed upon citizens.
What Nonsense! For starters it is well documented that the harder GUNS are for the general populace to access, the harder it is too commit crimes, and especially mass murders.  Considering that a lot of these mass shootings are not committed by Criminals, they are 100% linked to the gun control debate.  Mental Illness is the one thing that should not be linked to gun control, mental illness is just another way for society to say we find you objectionable, a lot of these mass shooters are just really pissed off, and studies show that those with so called mental illness are less likely to be violent and more likely to be the victim of violence.  It's the so called NORMAL people you have to watch out for. 

And so what if their is another LAW or RULE, they are necessary to develop a civilised community, are you suggesting you would prefer more chaos and less order.
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« Reply #21 on: January 21, 2013, 07:55:11 AM »
No you didnt kill them all, as they re stil alive and well, and learnt how to imitate you until one day they ll replace you. Isnt life ironical.

You mean "they're", "still" and "Isn't".  

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« Reply #22 on: January 21, 2013, 07:55:25 AM »
TBH it doesn't matter if Glover is right or not, the fact is the US constitution was drafted by a bunch of slave owners, so why in the US this ancient text created by murderers and rapists is deemed so sacred, does seem quite strange.

Hey Conker, what conutry's constitution do you approve of? What country's constitution should we use as an example? Can you share with us what country's constitution was written by pure men, without sin or vice, in a manner acceptable to your gentle sensibilities? Thanks.
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« Reply #23 on: January 21, 2013, 07:55:55 AM »
I never understood teh need to have guns! Ok, you want to protect your home, i get it, but who needs an assult rifle

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« Reply #24 on: January 21, 2013, 07:56:50 AM »
I never understood teh need to have guns! Ok, you want to protect your home, i get it, but who needs an assult rifle

Someone who wants to protect their home and wants to get the job done with one shot.