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Beat Mr. I-One to this one. :D
Limbaugh: Obama Should ‘Renounce’ His Race And Just ‘Become White’
Yesterday on his radio show, right-wing host Rush Limbaugh derided Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) — who is biracial — for saying, “If you look African-American in this society, you’re treated as an African-American.”
Limbaugh claimed that this statement meant Obama didn’t want to be black and should “renounce it”: “If it’s not something you want to be, if you didn’t decide it, renounce it, become white!” He added, “If you don’t like it, you can switch. Well, that’s the way I see it. He’s got 50-50 in there. Say, ‘No, I’m white.’” Listen here:
CLICK HERE TO LISTEN TO LIMBAUGH
The right wing has repeatedly thrown baseless racial slurs at Obama. Earlier in the week, right-wing radio host Glenn Beck said that Obama “is colorless,” and that “as a white guy…[y]ou don’t notice that he is black. So he might as well be white, you know what I mean?”
(HT: Too Sense)
Digg It!
Transcript:
LIMBAUGH: Steve Kroft said, “Your mother was white; your father was African. You were raised in a white household. Yet at some point you decided you were black.”
[OBAMA CLIP]: I’m not sure I decided it. Uh, I think, uh, you know, if you — if you look African-American in this society, you’re treated as an African-American, uh, and, uh, when you’re a child in particular, uh, that is how you begin to identify yourself.
RUSH: So are we to conclude here that he didn’t define himself as black, that the way he looks does? (Sigh.) Okay. We’ve got Obama’s wife in here. We’ve got John Howard from Australia coming up, but, “I’m not sure I decided it”? Well, if you didn’t decide it, then how did it happen?
Well, when you look like that, that’s what you are.
Well, renounce it, then! If it’s not something you want to be, if you didn’t decide it, renounce it, become white!
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RUSH: Okay, back to our Barack Obama Audio Sound Bite Marathon. What are we up to now? Let’s see. Oh, yeah. Obama just said he wasn’t sure that he decided he was black, that if you look African-American in this society, you’re treated as an African-American, and when you’re a child in particular that’s how you begin to identify yourself. If you don’t like it, you can switch. Well, that’s the way I see it. He’s got 50-50 in there. Say, “No, I’m white.”
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/14/limbaugh-obama-white/
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All Limbaugh is doing, is giving leverage to some color-less (pun intended) politican.
It only adds up to the Obama hype.
The guy don't run a real platform, yet is a fcuking media darling. I hate when shyte like that happens.
-Hedge
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All Limbaugh is doing, is giving leverage to some color-less (pun intended) politican.
It only adds up to the Obama hype.
The guy don't run a real platform, yet is a fcuking media darling. I hate when shyte like that happens.
-Hedge
It's still a little early. I'm not sure when the Iowa caucus and New Hampshire primaries are, but he'll have to come up with a platform before then.
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Beat Mr. I-One to this one. :D
Limbaugh: Obama Should ‘Renounce’ His Race And Just ‘Become White’
Yesterday on his radio show, right-wing host Rush Limbaugh derided Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) — who is biracial — for saying, “If you look African-American in this society, you’re treated as an African-American.”
Limbaugh claimed that this statement meant Obama didn’t want to be black and should “renounce it”: “If it’s not something you want to be, if you didn’t decide it, renounce it, become white!” He added, “If you don’t like it, you can switch. Well, that’s the way I see it. He’s got 50-50 in there. Say, ‘No, I’m white.’” Listen here:
CLICK HERE TO LISTEN TO LIMBAUGH
The right wing has repeatedly thrown baseless racial slurs at Obama. Earlier in the week, right-wing radio host Glenn Beck said that Obama “is colorless,” and that “as a white guy…[y]ou don’t notice that he is black. So he might as well be white, you know what I mean?”
(HT: Too Sense)
Digg It!
Transcript:
LIMBAUGH: Steve Kroft said, “Your mother was white; your father was African. You were raised in a white household. Yet at some point you decided you were black.”
[OBAMA CLIP]: I’m not sure I decided it. Uh, I think, uh, you know, if you — if you look African-American in this society, you’re treated as an African-American, uh, and, uh, when you’re a child in particular, uh, that is how you begin to identify yourself.
RUSH: So are we to conclude here that he didn’t define himself as black, that the way he looks does? (Sigh.) Okay. We’ve got Obama’s wife in here. We’ve got John Howard from Australia coming up, but, “I’m not sure I decided it”? Well, if you didn’t decide it, then how did it happen?
Well, when you look like that, that’s what you are.
Well, renounce it, then! If it’s not something you want to be, if you didn’t decide it, renounce it, become white!
BREAK TRANSCRIPT
RUSH: Okay, back to our Barack Obama Audio Sound Bite Marathon. What are we up to now? Let’s see. Oh, yeah. Obama just said he wasn’t sure that he decided he was black, that if you look African-American in this society, you’re treated as an African-American, and when you’re a child in particular that’s how you begin to identify yourself. If you don’t like it, you can switch. Well, that’s the way I see it. He’s got 50-50 in there. Say, “No, I’m white.”
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/14/limbaugh-obama-white/
LMAO......and again, RUSH IS RIGHT!
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LMAO......and again, RUSH IS RIGHT!
Rush is continuing to marginalize himself as a guy who will defend things he doesn't believe in. And he continues to reveal he has a real problem with Obama's skin color. You can argue whether Statement A, B, C is inherently racist. But he spends months talking about his skin color - it's clearly a problem for him.
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Limbaugh: Obama Should ‘Renounce’ His Race And Just ‘Become White’
I'm betting at the next Washington DC or RNC event, politicians and "anyone who matters" will do everything possible to avoid being seen with Rush. He's an embarassing, drug abusing racist. Nobody wants to be associated with people like that.
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Plus, he's fat and stupid.
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Rush is continuing to marginalize himself as a guy who will defend things he doesn't believe in. And he continues to reveal he has a real problem with Obama's skin color. You can argue whether Statement A, B, C is inherently racist. But he spends months talking about his skin color - it's clearly a problem for him.
.........but he's still right!
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.........but he's still right!
I would never say that another man should renounce his race.
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Limbaugh should renounce his identification with the human race.
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I would never say that another man should renounce his race.
.......then why doesn't he say he's white?
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.......then why doesn't he say he's white?
It's none of our damn business, really. And it's irrelevant to the job he'll do as president.
Discussing it is a diversionary tactic from real issues that affect us. Man, woman, white black - none of that affects us. But his stance on health care, war, etc DOES affect us. I think we all know that it would NOT benefit Rush to compare stances on issues, so we're playing word games.
Aside from the fact it's bad social behavior to talk about another man's race, it's a tactic to avoid issues.
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.......then why doesn't he say he's white?
Probably because society says he is "black."
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.......then why doesn't he say he's white?
He's a human being. He doesn't owe a statement of allegiance to any of your predefined concepts of "race".
I'd lecture you about addressing his positions instead of his melanin count... but he doesn't seem to have any. :)
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He's a human being. He doesn't owe a statement of allegiance to any of your predefined concepts of "race".
I'd lecture you about addressing his positions instead of his melanin count... but he doesn't seem to have any. :)
Ding! Correct. :)
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He had an interesting position on the Iraq war in 2002. The right one.
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It's none of our damn business, really. And it's irrelevant to the job he'll do as president.
Discussing it is a diversionary tactic from real issues that affect us. Man, woman, white black - none of that affects us. But his stance on health care, war, etc DOES affect us. I think we all know that it would NOT benefit Rush to compare stances on issues, so we're playing word games.
Aside from the fact it's bad social behavior to talk about another man's race, it's a tactic to avoid issues.
Personally I could care less, but when it comes down to nomination time, then it will make a difference and I would go as far to say he's playing the race card!
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Personally I could care less, but when it comes down to nomination time, then it will make a difference and I would go as far to say he's playing the race card!
You wouldn't vote for a man who was half-black?
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You wouldn't vote for a man who was half-black?
a racist optimist would call Osama "Half white"
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You wouldn't vote for a man who was half-black?
Fully half the country won't vote for anyone darker than Mitt Romney. That's just the way it is.
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Why do people feel he takes no stance on issues? He seems to be very transparent and dynamic, which i guess attracts people. He's taken a pro position with regard to strengthening national security and getting the ball rolling on universal health care. He's been pretty clear on his positions concerning Hamas and the potentiality of war in Iran. What's wishy-washy about him?
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He's taken a pro position with regard to strengthening national security
That's certainly a brave and principled stand in opposition to all the other candidates who are doing the popular thing of clamoring for weaker national security. :)
At this point, the sitting regime's relentless push towards totalitarianism is far and away the gravest threat to the nation. Iran, North Korea, Al Qaeda, and bird flu combined don't even come close. Universal health care won't do you any good if you're being tortured in a secret CIA prison somewhere. So until Obama openly calls for the impeachment of both Bush and Cheney, his particular flavor of politics-as-usual is just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.
Fu#k that shit.
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It's still a little early. I'm not sure when the Iowa caucus and New Hampshire primaries are
Not for another year. To say it's early is an understatement, yet the media has this thing all but wraped up... "McCain will beat Hillary 51%-49%, with a 0.0000000000923% margin of error. Next!" ::)
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Fully half the country won't vote for anyone darker than Mitt Romney. That's just the way it is.
I would be very reluctant to vote for a black Democrat, since he would be likely to buy into the whole "NAACP/Affirmitive Action/Jesse Jackson/Al Sharpton" bullshit.
A black Republican I'd have no problem with. In fact, had Colin Powell run, I probably would have voted for him.
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Why do people feel he takes no stance on issues? He seems to be very transparent and dynamic, which i guess attracts people. He's taken a pro position with regard to strengthening national security and getting the ball rolling on universal health care. He's been pretty clear on his positions concerning Hamas and the potentiality of war in Iran. What's wishy-washy about him?
I wouldn't call him wishy-washy, but just an unknown. For example, I don't know where he stands on these issues:
- His specific plan for the war in Iraq if he becomes Commander in Chief
- Taxes
- Death Penalty
- Crime and Law Enforcement
- Abortion
- Homosexual Marriage
- His plan/ideas for balancing the budget
He has to come down on one side of the fence or the other on these and many other issues. His inflated popularity will come back down to earth as soon he takes firm positions.
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Not for another year. To say it's early is an understatement, yet the media has this thing all but wraped up... "McCain will beat Hillary 51%-49%, with a 0.0000000000923% margin of error. Next!" ::)
Yeah. There could be a sea change before then. I recall Bill Clinton doing very poorly in New Hampshire and winning, and Pat Buchannan winning the New Hampshire primary and tanking.
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I wouldn't call him wishy-washy, but just an unknown. For example, I don't know where he stands on... Homosexual Marriage
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So until Obama openly calls for the impeachment of both Bush and Cheney, his particular flavor of politics-as-usual is just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.
Fu#k that shit.
Lol, well your position is pretty clear!
Maybe he's planning on shipping Bush over to the Hague for prosecution of war crimes after he gets in. That'd be less traumatic for the country.
But seriously, I think I read of some recent poll that even of the people "open to the idea" of impeachment, only around 30% of those think it's a priority. (Many believed it would only tear the country apart.) Perhaps there's not much leverage in platforming that.
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(http://picayune.uclick.com/comics/trall/2007/trall070212.gif)
Eh. I'd give it a 5. :)
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I wouldn't call him wishy-washy, but just an unknown. For example, I don't know where he stands on these issues:
- His specific plan for the war in Iraq if he becomes Commander in Chief
- Taxes
- Death Penalty
- Crime and Law Enforcement
- Abortion
- Homosexual Marriage
- His plan/ideas for balancing the budget
He has to come down on one side of the fence or the other on these and many other issues. His inflated popularity will come back down to earth as soon he takes firm positions.
But that info is all out there... he has come forward with his position on most of what's on your list, perhaps even all of it. He's pro death penalty, supports civil unions for same-sex couples but thinks it should be up to the individual states to decide on the marriage issue, he wants a semi-withdrawal of troops from Iraq starting this year, wants to pursue talks with Iran but thinks war may be a future possibility, etc... if you look, you'll see he's firm on many issues.
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But that info is all out there... he has come forward with his position on most of what's on your list, perhaps even all of it. He's pro death penalty, supports civil unions for same-sex couples but thinks it should be up to the individual states to decide on the marriage issue, he wants a semi-withdrawal of troops from Iraq starting this year, wants to pursue talks with Iran but thinks war may be a future possibility, etc... if you look, you'll see he's firm on many issues.
Thanks. I haven't looked. If he becomes a serious candidate (i.e., a threat to Hillary) someone will pull together his stance on all of the issues.
BTW, someone called me yesterday to discuss the civil unions bill that is AGAIN before our legislature and had some interesting comments. He said because the bill gives people all of the rights of marriage, it really discourages and undermines marriage, by giving many heterosexuals a disincentive to get married. I agree.
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Thanks. I haven't looked. If he becomes a serious candidate (i.e., a threat to Hillary) someone will pull together his stance on all of the issues.
BTW, someone called me yesterday to discuss the civil unions bill that is AGAIN before our legislature and had some interesting comments. He said because the bill gives people all of the rights of marriage, it really discourages and undermines marriage, by giving many heterosexuals a disincentive to get married. I agree.
Funny... it was in the Canadian news maybe six months ago. But the acceptance of civil unions with the same rights of marriage has actually slightly discouraged heterosexual people from living "in sin," but has had no impact on marriage. The study cited several countries. Should a domestic relationship dissolve, the parties may be obliged to split assets, etc... as they would in divorce. So those who aren't "so sure" where the relationship is headed, are thinking twice before shacking up.
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He supports civil unions for same-sex couples but thinks it should be up to the individual states to decide on the marriage issue
Civil unions = "Fags ride at the back of the bus"
I would have hoped that Obama, of all the candidates, would have had the moral clarity to denounce this.
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Civil unions = "Fags ride at the back of the bus"
I would have hoped that Obama, of all the candidates, would have had the moral clarity to denounce this.
You're absolutely right about the "riding at the back of the bus" argument.
However, it looks like some of the gay community actually supports Obama on his position. This piece specifically notes that gays support him because he does exude a vibe of transparency and honesty.
http://www.southernvoice.com/2007/2-2/news/national/index.cfm
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You're absolutely right about the "riding at the back of the bus" argument.
However, it looks like some of the gay community actually supports Obama on his position. This piece specifically notes that gays support him because he does exude a vibe of transparency and honesty.
http://www.southernvoice.com/2007/2-2/news/national/index.cfm
This civil unions stuff is just another step towards homosexual marriage. It's just a matter of time.
We've done some nutty things with our laws here (e.g., defining "gender identity" to be whatever you want it to be).
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This civil unions stuff is just another step towards homosexual marriage. It's just a matter of time.
We've done some nutty things with our laws here (e.g., defining "gender identity" to be whatever you want it to be).
Which of these conservative principles do you find irrelevant to the support of gay marriage?
1) Government isn't supposed to regulate our personal lives.
2) Government isn't supposed to endorse a religious condemnation of homosexuality.
Or is it that you just don't like "queers"?
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Which of these conservative principles do you find irrelevant to the support of gay marriage?
1) Government isn't supposed to regulate our personal lives.
2) Government isn't supposed to endorse a religious condemnation of homosexuality.
Or is it that you just don't like "queers"?
If you have paid attention to the voting results when this issue has been on ballots across the country, you'd know that it isn't a partisan issue. Homosexual marriage has been rejected by the majority of voters in pretty much every state it has come up for a vote. When it came up for a vote in Oregon and activists spent a great deal of time and money pursuing the issue, it was rejected. We rejected it by about a 70 percent margin in Hawaii and this is basically a one party state (liberal Democrat). It was a Democrat president who championed the Defense of Marriage Act. At the present time, the country (including liberals and conservatives) don't want this.
Regarding the government, my position is the government shouldn't try and legitimatize this lifestyle choice and undermine traditional marriage. The majority of the country agrees with me, for the time being.
And "queers" question is just dumb. ::)
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You wouldn't vote for a man who was half-black?
I never said that!
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I never said that!
Would you vote for a man who was half-black?
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Would you vote for a man who was half-black?
Sure, why not?
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Sure, why not?
So why is the label that Obama has, such a big deal?
I don't understand why you don't look at Rush's speeches on it, over and over, and say "Rush, I like your show, but don't you think you should talk about something relevant, something that matters?"
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If you have paid attention to the voting results when this issue has been on ballots across the country, you'd know that it isn't a partisan issue.
I agree that it's not a partisan issue. It's an issue of the nation's founding principles. Or - as I like to say - "What part of 'all men are created equal' don't you understand?"
Civil rights for blacks in Mississippi would not have won the ballot either. There's a reason why such things are not supposed to be decided by popular vote. It's called "protection from the tyranny of the majority".
"Traditional marriage" is a code-word for "Christian law". The United States is not supposed to be in the business of enforcing Christian law.
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How exactly does one 'renounce' his race, anyway?
Do I become any less white if I deny it?
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You wouldn't vote for a man who was half-black?
You know, the funny part is I'm 1/2 black... unlike Obama... I look white.
See... the problem with people like Rush is that because his skin tone is to the brownish side... he labels him as black... Rush would label me as white.
He doesn't know anything about either one of us as a person and to tell someone to denounce EITHER side of their heritage is fucking insane. Does that mean I see myself as white or black?
Sometimes I'm both! Most of the time I don't even fucking think about it.
How many people say they are 1/2 Irish or 1/2 Italian... or whatever... and never speak of their other 1/2?
They speak of them both because both sides are what make that person who they are.
For Rush to even bring up this Race issue shows that it's more important to Rush than to anyone else... I could give a shit less if the guy was Polka dotted.
What is he trying to do? Make sure white people don't vote for Obama?
What the hell is the point is all I wanna know... What is your point Limbaugh? Do you even have one?
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Lol, well your position is pretty clear!
Maybe he's planning on shipping Bush over to the Hague for prosecution of war crimes after he gets in. That'd be less traumatic for the country.
But seriously, I think I read of some recent poll that even of the people "open to the idea" of impeachment, only around 30% of those think it's a priority. (Many believed it would only tear the country apart.) Perhaps there's not much leverage in platforming that.
That was why I had once suggested it might be good if GWB simply committed suicide, the way Hitler did.
I remember Hedgehog jumping down my throat over that one. ::)
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I agree that it's not a partisan issue. It's an issue of the nation's founding principles. Or - as I like to say - "What part of 'all men are created equal' don't you understand?"
Civil rights for blacks in Mississippi would not have won the ballot either. There's a reason why such things are not supposed to be decided by popular vote. It's called "protection from the tyranny of the majority".
"Traditional marriage" is a code-word for "Christian law". The United States is not supposed to be in the business of enforcing Christian law.
Actually, this is a matter that must be decided by popular vote. Homosexuality is not innate, like race. It's a lifestyle choice. It's not included in the categories of "suspect classes" like race and national origin. Comparing homosexuality and race is apples and oranges IMO. People chosoe to live and leave the lifestyle all the time. Anne Heche is an example I've probably used about ten times on this board: straight, then lesbian, then straight and married to a man, had a baby, now divorcing. You cannot change your race, although it has been tried (see "Black Like Me"; great book).
A lifestyle choice is subject to majority rule.
And there is nothing wrong with Christians participating in the voting process. Some people are very paranoid about any Christian influence in the public sector. While I agree with church-state separation, I disagree that we have to try and remove religious influences from the legal process. They are intertwined. And really, at the end of the day, if people don't want a "Christian" influence in the any particular law, they should go to the polls and vote. That is something Christian conservatives do very well.
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Actually, this is a matter that must be decided by popular vote. Homosexuality is not innate, like race. It's a lifestyle choice. It's not included in the categories of "suspect classes" like race and national origin. Comparing homosexuality and race is apples and oranges IMO. People chosoe to live and leave the lifestyle all the time. Anne Heche is an example I've probably used about ten times on this board: straight, then lesbian, then straight and married to a man, had a baby, now divorcing. You cannot change your race, although it has been tried (see "Black Like Me"; great book).
A lifestyle choice is subject to majority rule.
Anne Heche is absolutely the exception to the rule...
Scientific studies have shown that a Gay male's brain functions like a straight females, and a lesbian female's functions like a straight male.
I disagree completely that it is all about "choice".
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You know, the funny part is I'm 1/2 black... unlike Obama... I look white.
Denounce your blackness! Refrain from being dark! Wear Abercrombie and Fitch! Remove your 22" chrome wheels!
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Obama was absolutely right about the Iraq war.
Bush was absolutely wrong.
That's gotta fukkin' smart, eh? ;)
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Denounce your blackness! Refrain from being dark! Wear Abercrombie and Fitch! Remove your 22" chrome wheels!
But I look good when I tan... Abercrombie doesn't suite me, and 22s are not worth the money...
See... I'm conflicted!!! I wonder if I can lobby for a new "tan" race... instead of black or white.
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Obama was absolutely right about the Iraq war.
Bush was absolutely wrong.
That's gotta fukkin' smart, eh? ;)
So will you vote for Obama? What if your alleged evil US plot comes off, and we steal billions of gallons of cheap oil?
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What is your point Limbaugh? Do you even have one?
The most educational thing I ever learned in college was a bitter comment by a Latina who was a fellow student: "There are only two races in this country: Whites and Everyone Else."
Limbaugh's point is that Obama is not White. As such, his striving for political power is an infinitely threatening attack on the white privilege that is the foundation of the Republican's entire world-view.
So Limbaugh's bleating here is a coded way of saying that Obama isn't playing fair if he won't acknowledge that he's an uppity ni@@er.
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Anne Heche is absolutely the exception to the rule...
Scientific studies have shown that a Gay male's brain functions like a straight females, and a lesbian female's functions like a straight male.
I disagree completely that it is all about "choice".
I don't think Heche is the exception. I've heard of lots of people who have done this. Then there are the "bisexuals." This stuff isn't genetic. There is no homosexual gene or bisexual gene. People have been trying for years to prove this, but it hasn't happened. I don't think it ever will.
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The most educational thing I ever learned in college was a bitter comment by a Latina who was a fellow student: "There are only two races in this country: Whites and Everyone Else."
Limbaugh's point is that Obama is not White. As such, his striving for political power is an infinitely threatening attack on the white privilege that is the foundation of the Republican's entire world-view.
So Limbaugh's bleating here is a coded way of saying that Obama isn't playing fair if he won't acknowledge that he's an uppity ni@@er.
I can agree with everything you said there.
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I don't think Heche is the exception. I've heard of lots of people who have done this. Then there are the "bisexuals." This stuff isn't genetic. There is no homosexual gene or bisexual gene. People have been trying for years to prove this, but it hasn't happened. I don't think it ever will.
There are studies showing brain wave patterns hetero and homosexual people... they tell a story against the "choice" you are speaking of.
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I can agree with everything you said there.
Do you feel you would have had a higher standard of life if you were not half-black?
Perhaps some members here need to spend a few weeks in Saudi Arabia to find out what it feels like to really live in a society where bigots and racists are rampant.
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The most educational thing I ever learned in college was a bitter comment by a Latina who was a fellow student: "There are only two races in this country: Whites and Everyone Else."
Limbaugh's point is that Obama is not White. As such, his striving for political power is an infinitely threatening attack on the white privilege that is the foundation of the Republican's entire world-view.
So Limbaugh's bleating here is a coded way of saying that Obama isn't playing fair if he won't acknowledge that he's an uppity ni@@er.
Actually, society says Obama is black. Doesn't matter what political party they belong too. I know lots of half black/half something else people and kids. They are always deemed "black" by society.
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There are studies showing brain wave patterns hetero and homosexual people... they tell a story against the "choice" you are speaking of.
I've never read those studies, but I am certain that if there were scientific proof that person was born homosexual or bisexual it would be all over the news and used in the many legislative battles over this issue.
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Actually, society says Obama is black. Doesn't matter what political party they belong too. I know lots of half black/half something else people and kids. They are always deemed "black" by society.
You mean to say, some racists are not white? I refuse to believe it!
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I've never read those studies, but I am certain that if there were scientific proof that person was born homosexual or bisexual it would be all over the news and used in the many legislative battles over this issue.
They have been... I first saw it on like NBC or CBS or something and the studies are still available for people to look at.
There are tons of studies discussing global warming, but that's still just a "theory" too it seems.
People believe what they want to believe, not what they can prove to be true... However, this is way off topic... I digress.
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You mean to say, some racists are not white? I refuse to believe it!
Stop the presses. It's true. :)
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They have been... I first saw it on like NBC or CBS or something and the studies are still available for people to look at.
There are tons of studies discussing global warming, but that's still just a "theory" too it seems.
People believe what they want to believe, not what they can prove to be true... However, this is way off topic... I digress.
I agree that people believe what they want, facts/evidence or no. That's why we have bigots.
Why do you think people like Heche are the exception?
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I agree that people believe what they want, facts/evidence or no. That's why we have bigots.
Why do you think people like Heche are the exception?
I know quite a few gay and lesbians (which seems odd to seperate them as I thought Lesbians were gay) but anyway...
None of them have switched back and forth... They may have at one time switched, but I've never known too many to switch back... I do think it's interesting to take celebrities and use them as our talking point when I think we can all agree that celebrities do not do things because they believe in them all of the time, but often do them because they create attention.
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I know quite a few gay and lesbians (which seems odd to seperate them as I thought Lesbians were gay) but anyway...
None of them have switched back and forth... They may have at one time switched, but I've never known too many to switch back... I do think it's interesting to take celebrities and use them as our talking point when I think we can all agree that celebrities do not do things because they believe in them all of the time, but often do them because they create attention.
I know a few homosexuals who started late in life. Either had a boyfriend/girlfriend of the opposite sex, got married, and it wasn't till later that the door started swinging both ways. I guess neither one of our anecdotal experiences constitutes empirical proof of anything, but I have heard of numerous people who have left the lifestyle.
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I know a few homosexuals who started late in life. Either had a boyfriend/girlfriend of the opposite sex, got married, and it wasn't till later that the door started swinging both ways. I guess neither one of our anecdotal experiences constitutes empirical proof of anything, but I have heard of numerous people who have left the lifestyle.
I would wonder if they left the lifestyle because they didn't feel the "attraction" so to speak any longer or because of the pressure or society.
I doubt we will ever know.