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High-Ranking Mexican Drug Cartel Member Makes Explosive Allegation: ‘Fast and Furious’ Is Not What You Think It Is
A high-ranking Mexican drug cartel operative currently in U.S. custody is making startling allegations that the failed federal gun-walking operation known as “Fast and Furious” isn’t what you think it is.
It wasn’t about tracking guns, it was about supplying them — all part of an elaborate agreement between the U.S. government and Mexico’s powerful Sinaloa Cartel to take down rival cartels.
Zambada-Niebla claims that under a “divide and conquer” strategy, the U.S. helped finance and arm the Sinaloa Cartel through Operation Fast and Furious in exchange for information that allowed the DEA, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and other federal agencies to take down rival drug cartels. The Sinaloa Cartel was allegedly permitted to traffic massive amounts of drugs across the U.S. border from 2004 to 2009 as long as the intel kept coming.
Based on the alleged agreement ”the Sinaloa Cartel under the leadership of defendant’s father, Ismael Zambada-Niebla and ‘Chapo’ Guzman, were given carte blanche to continue to smuggle tons of illicit drugs into Chicago and the rest of the United States and were also protected by the United States government from arrest and prosecution in return for providing information against rival cartels which helped Mexican and United States authorities capture or kill thousands of rival cartel members,” states a motion for discovery filed in U.S. District Court by Zambada-Niebla’s attorney in July 2011.
A source in Congress, who spoke to TheBlaze on the condition of anonymity, said that some top congressional investigators have been keeping “one eye on the case.” Another two members of Congress, both lead Fast and Furious Congressional investigators, told TheBlaze they had never even heard of the case.
One of the Congressmen, who also spoke to TheBlaze on the condition of anonymity because criminal proceedings are still ongoing, called the allegations “disturbing.” He said Congress will likely get involved once Zambada-Niebla’s trial has concluded if any compelling information surfaces.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/high-ranking-mexican-drug-cartel-member-makes-explosive-allegation-fast-and-furious-is-not-what-you-think-it-is/
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180 said I am crazy for believing this guy.
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180 said I am crazy for believing this guy.
We've been caught red handed doing this a few times I believe. So this would come as no surprise.
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Ha, well I guess we know why Obama stepped in on this one.....
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Ha, well I guess we know why Obama stepped in on this one.....
executive priv.
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As I said before, it's regarded as common knowledge down in Mexico that the US/Mex govt. are helping the Sinaloa Cartel in their war with Los Zetas. They're still losing, though. Too many psychopaths operating for the Zetas.
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180 said I am crazy for believing this guy.
link to where i said you're crazy? I just wanted to hear you say that you believe a busted drug dealer over the last 5 US Presidents who say the opposite.
Do you, 33?
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link to where i said you're crazy? I just wanted to hear you say that you believe a busted drug dealer over the last 5 US Presidents who say the opposite.
Do you, 33?
All of Mexico thinks it so why don't you fuck off?
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link to where i said you're crazy? I just wanted to hear you say that you believe a busted drug dealer over the last 5 US Presidents who say the opposite.
Do you, 33?
No dipshit. I believe him over the communist piece of shit you have polluted this board w supporting.
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link to where i said you're crazy? I just wanted to hear you say that you believe a busted drug dealer over the last 5 US Presidents who say the opposite.
Do you, 33?
*facepalm at you believing ANY politican would admit to arming the Mexican drug cartels*
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*facepalm at you believing ANY politican would admit to arming the Mexican drug cartels*
See, you are 100% correct. I don't see this as a partisan issue. If Mccain was president, he'd be arming the drug gangs too. This shit goes back decades. Feed that war drugs and guns, pick sides, profit from it...
My only thing here was 33 blaming obama for it. Acting like shittiy liberals invented this policy in Jan 2009.
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See, you are 100% correct. I don't see this as a partisan issue. If Mccain was president, he'd be arming the drug gangs too. This shit goes back decades. Feed that war drugs and guns, pick sides, profit from it...
My only thing here was 33 blaming obama for it. Acting like shittiy liberals invented this policy in Jan 2009.
Wow. And to think that for the last five days you've been constantly criticizing people for saying exactly what you just said except with the names changed.
You are one hypocritical c*nt.
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See, you are 100% correct. I don't see this as a partisan issue. If Mccain was president, he'd be arming the drug gangs too. This shit goes back decades. Feed that war drugs and guns, pick sides, profit from it...
My only thing here was 33 blaming obama for it. Acting like shittiy liberals invented this policy in Jan 2009.
Uh, what? Its was Operation Fast and Furious. How are you going to pin this on someone else when the operation wasnt even underway then? That would be like blaming Carter for Iran/Contra.
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Uh, what? Its was Operation Fast and Furious. How are you going to pin this on someone else when the operation wasnt even underway then? That would be like blaming Carter for Iran/Contra.
Little Boy Blue here has been backed into a corner and is trying to change the subject in an attempt to worm his way out of the embarrassing posts coming his way.
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Wow. And to think that for the last five days you've been constantly criticizing people for saying exactly what you just said except with the names changed.
You are one hypocritical c*nt.
Have ya missed my posts for the last 5-6 years? I was the one yelling about how we fed the afghans weapons/cash to keep the wars going. I've said it about the borders for years. I'm just a CT dbag. Except now, a busted drug dealer blames it on obama, and suddenly it's "in" to believe it. The longtime poli board members know i've been very clear - war on drugs is a sham to get funding. I've made tha tbouncer analogy plenty of times - if there's no fight for 3 weeks, the bouncer will start one - job security. They have the technology to stop the drugs and weapons - but that costs them all their jobs. They want some flow, their teenage kids in prep school need to get their coke somewhere...
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Uh, what? Its was Operation Fast and Furious. How are you going to pin this on someone else when the operation wasnt even underway then? That would be like blaming Carter for Iran/Contra.
LOL at anyone believeing F&F was when all this shit started.
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LOL at anyone believeing F&F was when all this shit started.
Fuck you. You really are a liar. You know the facts. Even under w nothing like this occurred
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LOL at anyone believeing F&F was when all this shit started.
Uh... This whole deal is about F&F. No one is discussing anyone OTHER than F&F. This Mexican isn't saying "You guys have been arming the cartels for decades!" He's not saying "Bush was arming the Afghans!".
He's saying "F&F was about arming the Sineloa's".
You're whole logic just kind of backfired on you there.
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Have ya missed my posts for the last 5-6 years? I was the one yelling about how we fed the afghans weapons/cash to keep the wars going. I've said it about the borders for years. I'm just a CT dbag. Except now, a busted drug dealer blames it on obama, and suddenly it's "in" to believe it. The longtime poli board members know i've been very clear - war on drugs is a sham to get funding. I've made tha tbouncer analogy plenty of times - if there's no fight for 3 weeks, the bouncer will start one - job security. They have the technology to stop the drugs and weapons - but that costs them all their jobs. They want some flow, their teenage kids in prep school need to get their coke somewhere...
It's not "in" to believe it, you dumb mother fucker. I follow 3 different narco blogs and it's been common knowledge among the posts there for YEARS. Los Zetas have been taking the brunt of the Mexican military's might (and rightfully so) because they're fucking narcoterrorists who will kill anyone and everyone to get what they want. Read the blogs. There's maybe 1 military movement against the Sinaloans for every 4-5 against the Zetas.
Perhaps you should open your eyes and watch/read something beyond MSDNC.
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It's not "in" to believe it, you dumb mother fucker. I follow 3 different narco blogs and it's been common knowledge among the posts there for YEARS. Los Zetas have been taking the brunt of the Mexican military's might (and rightfully so) because they're fucking narcoterrorists who will kill anyone and everyone to get what they want. Read the blogs. There's maybe 1 military movement against the Sinaloans for every 4-5 against the Zetas.
Perhaps you should open your eyes and watch/read something beyond MSDNC.
180 will do anything to prop up Obama
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This would strongly suggest that a hugely profitable, illegal money-funneling scheme may have taken place.
No way they'd do that. Would they?
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Have ya missed my posts for the last 5-6 years? I was the one yelling about how we fed the afghans weapons/cash to keep the wars going. I've said it about the borders for years. I'm just a CT dbag. Except now, a busted drug dealer blames it on obama, and suddenly it's "in" to believe it. The longtime poli board members know i've been very clear - war on drugs is a sham to get funding. I've made tha tbouncer analogy plenty of times - if there's no fight for 3 weeks, the bouncer will start one - job security. They have the technology to stop the drugs and weapons - but that costs them all their jobs. They want some flow, their teenage kids in prep school need to get their coke somewhere...
You're absolutely right, I don't know why a few of these guys miss your points entirely.
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I follow 3 different narco blogs
I didn't know they existed! Link us please!
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They have the technology to stop the drugs and weapons - but that costs them all their jobs. They want some flow, their teenage kids in prep school need to get their coke somewhere...
Oh brother, I want some of what you're smoking, it's clear you've completely lost touch with reality.
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You're absolutely right, I don't know why a few of these guys miss your points entirely.
Maybe because 180 is a liar , a fraud, a shill, and a con man?
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I didn't know they existed! Link us please!
www.borderlandbeat.com
www.blogdelnarco.com
www.mundonarco.com
blogdelnarco and mundonarco are in Spanish but the Google translations work alright. BorderlandBeat is in English.
For an example of why the US/Mexi govt. are helping the Sinaloas against Los Zetas, watch the video at this link:
http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2012/05/banner-appears-zetas-disclaim.html
Syria. ::)
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There was a F&F that happened under bush - guns were lost, dude didnt get fired. F&F was only that original operation on steroids.
The guns got lost.
Are you guys really saying that under Bush, losing all those guns was an accident,
and under obama, it was intentional to arm the guns?
(Remember it was the SAME FUCKING AGENT in the SAME OFFICE doing the SAME THING on a larger scale).
I guess I just want to see if anyone really believes losing guns under Bush was accident and under obama, it was on purpose to feed guns to one gang.
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There was a F&F that happened under bush - guns were lost, dude didnt get fired. F&F was only that original operation on steroids.
The guns got lost.
Are you guys really saying that under Bush, losing all those guns was an accident,
and under obama, it was intentional to arm the guns?
(Remember it was the SAME FUCKING AGENT in the SAME OFFICE doing the SAME THING on a larger scale).
I guess I just want to see if anyone really believes losing guns under Bush was accident and under obama, it was on purpose to feed guns to one gang.
Why are you constantly trying to shift the conversation away from F&F?
The Mexican is claiming F&F was a direct op to arm the Sinaloa cartels. He's not talking about anything else. We know all the other Presidents are their scandals. This has nothing to do with them.
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Why are you constantly trying to shift the conversation away from F&F?
The Mexican is claiming F&F was a direct op to arm the Sinaloa cartels. He's not talking about anything else. We know all the other Presidents are their scandals. This has nothing to do with them.
F&F was nearly identical to the early operation. Same ppl running it. Same guns lost over the border. Some minor differences, but same results.
Anyone who believes the US Govt was trying to stop crime with the first and trying to secretly arm a foreign crime syndicate for profit and other evil motive...
Well, it's silly to think such a transformation took place. Same operation, same outcome.
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F&F was nearly identical to the early operation. Same ppl running it. Same guns lost over the border. Some minor differences, but same results.
Anyone who believes the US Govt was trying to stop crime with the first and trying to secretly arm a foreign crime syndicate for profit and other evil motive...
Well, it's silly to think such a transformation took place. Same operation, same outcome.
*beats head into wall*
This Mexican isn't pointing the finger at any op other than F&F.
Vastly different op's, same outcome.
One actually tried to monitor the firearms across the boarder, the other did not. If you cant see the difference, then you are hopeless.
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*beats head into wall*
This Mexican isn't pointing the finger at any op other than F&F.
Vastly different op's, same outcome.
One actually tried to monitor the firearms across the boarder, the other did not. If you cant see the difference, then you are hopeless.
Vastly different ops? I thought we went over this - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Gunrunner
"Tried to monitor" the firearms by training 961 police officers. Then we found out only 20 of the 961 officers were trained. We never found out why the ATF (under bush) lied about this.
Dude, if you want to talk about obama/F&F, that's awesome... but we sent a shitload of guns over in 2006 and we made VERY minimal effort to trace them. It worked (guns were all lost), so we did it again under obama with more guns.
Anyone who sits there with a straight face saying we "tried" to stop those original guns - training 20, and not 961 offciers, on how to track them - well, I dont know what to say. It was a small op that worked, so they did it with more guns later. Period. Disagree if you'd like. But I doubt any getbigger who believes obama tried to feed drug war really believes bush wasn't doing the same damn thing.
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Vastly different ops? I thought we went over this - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Gunrunner
"Tried to monitor" the firearms by training 961 police officers. Then we found out only 20 of the 961 officers were trained. We never found out why the ATF (under bush) lied about this.
Dude, if you want to talk about obama/F&F, that's awesome... but we sent a shitload of guns over in 2006 and we made VERY minimal effort to trace them. It worked (guns were all lost), so we did it again under obama with more guns.
Anyone who sits there with a straight face saying we "tried" to stop those original guns - training 20, and not 961 offciers, on how to track them - well, I dont know what to say. It was a small op that worked, so they did it with more guns later. Period. Disagree if you'd like. But I doubt any getbigger who believes obama tried to feed drug war really believes bush wasn't doing the same damn thing.
All the guns were lost? Why do you lie through your fucking teeth?
You are hands-down the biggest fucking scumbag on this forum.
Nice of you to leave out the fact that F&F was done without the Mexican govt's knowledge while they were fully aware of and involved with Gunrunner, you weaselly douche. Despite your best efforts to tie the two together, it's just not happening. ::)
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All the guns were lost? Why do you lie through your fucking teeth?
You are hands-down the biggest fucking scumbag on this forum.
Nice of you to leave out the fact that F&F was done without the Mexican govt's knowledge while they were fully aware of and involved with Gunrunner, you weaselly douche. Despite your best efforts to tie the two together, it's just not happening. ::)
They were fully involved with gunrunner? 20 of 961 police were trained for it. We were told 961 were trained. We learned they lied about this.
Kind of a big thing to "forget" if you're working with them - you know, showing them how to actually spot the guns before they disappear.
A miserable distrustful fvk like me believes we didn't train them because we didn't want them stopping the guns (as was the case in 2009).
Why did we lie and say we trained them?
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Despite your best efforts to tie the two together,
I think they're tied together by definition.
Same agent from same office ran them both.
Both sent guns over border to catch bad guys, most had guns stolen.
Most guns were never found in both cases.
The only reason we caught F&F was because - for some reason - the bad guys chose to leave the guns near the crime scene.
I dunno, if 1 man of 7 billion loses hundreds of guns in MEX... then does it again 2 years later with more guns... I just see them as tied together.
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A scam that could be linked to such profit would almost certainly be much, much larger than the person sitting in the White House.
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Maybe because 180 is a liar , a fraud, a shill, and a con man?
Also, 240 happens to be a toothless hillbilly and nickle tickler.
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High Ranking Cartel Member Says Fast And Furious Was Meant To Supply Guns To The Sinaloa Cartel
Michael Kelley|19 minutes ago|272|4
A high-ranking member of the Sinaloa drug cartel operative currently in U.S. custody alleges that Operation "Fast and Furious" was part of a agreement to finance and arm the Sinaloa cartel in exchange for information that allowed the U.S. to take down rival cartels, according to court documents.
The statement was made by Jesus Vicente Zambada-Niebla, the Sinaloa cartel’s “logistics coordinator” in charge of arraning massive drug shipments from Latin America to the United States as well as the son of cartel leader Ismael “Mayo” Zambada-Garcia and a close associate to kingpin Joaquin “El Chapo” Guzman.
Zambada-Niebla was arrested by Mexican authorities in March 2009 and extradited to Chicago to face drug trafficking charges.
From the court document:
[T]he United States government at its highest levels entered into agreements with cartel leaders to act as informants against rival cartels and received benefits in return, including, but not limited to, access to thousands of weapons which helped them continue their business of smuggling drugs into Chicago and throughout the United States, and to continue wreaking havoc on the citizens and law enforcement in Mexico.
Zambada-Niebla believes that he, like the leadership of the Sinaloa cartel, was "immune from arrest or prosecution" because he also actively provided information to U.S. federal agents.
In its official response to the discovery motion, the government stated that there are “classified materials” regarding the case but argued they “do not support the defendant’s claim that he was promised immunity or public authority for his actions.”
Zambada-Niebla's lawyer is seeking government "documents, files, recordings, notes, and additional forms of evidence" that would support claims that federal agents personally assured Zambada-Niebla that "he would not be arrested, that the agents knew of his prior cooperation... that they just wanted to continue receiving information... “[and] that the arrangements with him had been approved at the highest levels of the United States government."
Zambada-Niebla was allegedly arrested five hours after het met with the federal agents.
Jason Howerton of the Blaze reports that the documents detailing the relationship between the federal government and the Sinaloa Cartel "have still not been released or subjected to review — citing matters of national security."
The court document claims that the agreement between the U.S. government and the Sinoloa cartel began sometime before 2004 and lasted at least until March 2009 as part of America's "Divide and Conquer" strategy against other cartels, in which the U.S. would use "one drug organization to help against others."
From the court document:
Under that agreement, the Sinaloa Cartel under the leadership of defendant’s father, Ismael Zambada-Niebla and “Chapo” Guzman, were given carte blanche to continue to smuggle tons of illicit drugs into Chicago and the rest of the United States and were also protected by the United States government from arrest and prosecution in return for providing information against rival cartels which helped Mexican and United States authorities capture or kill thousands of rival cartel members.
Zambada-Niebla's trial is scheduled to begin on October 9.
Howerton notes that while experts have doubt that Zambada-Niebla had an official agreement with the U.S. government, the defense wants to put the agents on the stand, under oath, to testify about the Sinoloa-U.S. government relationship.
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/fast-and-furious-guns-sinaloa-cartel-2012-8#ixzz23AR8F0Vb
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thanks captain obvious. everyone knows.
why isn't issa prosecuting people for it? weak case? we see from these documents that the illegal relationship started in 2004. Obama's fault?
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thanks captain obvious. everyone knows.
why isn't issa prosecuting people for it? weak case? we see from these documents that the illegal relationship started in 2004. Obama's fault?
Under that agreement, the Sinaloa Cartel under the leadership of defendant’s father, Ismael Zambada-Niebla and “Chapo” Guzman, were given carte blanche to continue to smuggle tons of illicit drugs into Chicago and the rest of the United States and were also protected by the United States government from arrest and prosecution in return for providing information against rival cartels which helped Mexican and United States authorities capture or kill thousands of rival cartel members.
hhhhmmmm - wonder why they picked Chicago
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So they'll equip one set of drug dealers in order to "take down" another set of drug dealers, with all of them in the business of moving cocaine.
The insanity here is just too much.
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nickle tickler.
What's a nickle tickler? haha!!!
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Why are you constantly trying to shift the conversation away from F&F?
The Mexican is claiming F&F was a direct op to arm the Sinaloa cartels. He's not talking about anything else. We know all the other Presidents are their scandals. This has nothing to do with them.
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