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Mao, Che, Obama, Hitler, every historian ever, and anyone with a brain, would disagree.

Good thing an author of fiction makes you case for you though.

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Mao, Che, Obama, Hitler, every historian ever, and anyone with a brain, would disagree.

Good thing an author of fiction makes you case for you though.
He wasn`t just an author of fiction.  Of course you wouldn`t know a thing about him.  Hope this helps.

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He wasn`t just an author of fiction.  Of course you wouldn`t know a thing about him.  Hope this helps.

Where did I say he was? Now your helping me own you into oblivion. Focus.
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People with stronger work ethic, motivation/drive and competitiveness are definitely, on average, more likely to be fiscal conservatives and opposed to nanny state government and redistribution.  By nature, weaker people (maybe physical, mental or overall energy) and less motivated people are more likely to want (and need) the government to support & help them.  All you guys in your 20s voting for liberal democrats are certainly voting for bigger controlling government...which means less personal freedoms.

See I understand this in theory. But then you get shit like the Patriot Act under a conservative, and then Anti Abortion and Gay Marriage, and you think "hey isnt that government intrusion from the anti government people?"

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Yeah Option, I agree.  The anti-gay marriage and anti-abortion comes from the social/religious republicans, not the fiscal conservatives & libertarian factions. I don't give two shits one way or the other about gay marriage or abortion but I am absolutely opposed to limiting my freedom, taking more taxes from me, supporting too many able bodied people with expanding government programs and having a huge government telling us what to do...therefore I tend to vote either libertarian or republican and hope repubs keep moving to champion the fiscal & economic issues and minimize the rest.

TA, the liberal democrats in America are now more totalitarian than anything else.  They absolutely want to control more things and redistribute how they see fit.  They are also champions for feminism and continuing to promote minority and poor dependence instead of upward mobility. The liberals and extreme social conservatives are similar in wanting to control!

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Yeah Option, I agree.  The anti-gay marriage and anti-abortion comes from the social/religious republicans, not the fiscal conservatives & libertarian factions. I don't give two shits one way or the other about gay marriage or abortion but I am absolutely opposed to limiting my freedom, taking more taxes from me, supporting too many able bodied people with expanding government programs and having a huge government telling us what to do...therefore I tend to vote either libertarian or republican and hope repubs keep moving to champion the fiscal & economic issues and minimize the rest.


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This is the way most people I know feel.  It's just that the lunatic fringe gets all the press.
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I'm cautious of any ideology that believes it can and should modify and control human behavior for what they believe is the greater good.  Whether that control is physical, emotional , religious or psychological it's still control.  Both sides of political spectrum have a problem with this kind of thinking.

The thing about national socialism(nazis) is that is was one part political ideology and another part religion/cult and definitely bad science.
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I'm cautious of any ideology that believes it can and should modify and control human behavior for what they believe is the greater good.  Whether that control is physical, emotional , religious or psychological it's still control.  Both sides of political spectrum have a problem with this kind of thinking.

The thing about national socialism(nazis) is that is was one part political ideology and another part religion/cult and definitely bad science.
sounds an awful loy like modern day neocons and far left dems.

Lets face it, the establishment of both parties of 2 shades of the same cloth.... they both want the same end, they just use different means. Its sad but they both want essebtially the same things with regards to the economy, personal freedoms, immigration, etc. They bkind and divide us with non issues like abortion and religion, but they both have the same core beliefs.

there are next to zero conservatives in the Republican party anymore, thwyre all RINOs (and many were democrats) that found that they could modify their platform just a touch and now be a republican, even though theyre essentially still big government democrats.

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See I understand this in theory. But then you get shit like the Patriot Act under a conservative, and then Anti Abortion and Gay Marriage, and you think "hey isnt that government intrusion from the anti government people?"

Malcolm, you will be more aligned with the right than the left within the next 10 years.

It might take a while but you'll get there.

I'm calling it right now. 8)

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sounds an awful loy like modern day neocons and far left dems.

Lets face it, the establishment of both parties of 2 shades of the same cloth.... they both want the same end, they just use different means. Its sad but they both want essebtially the same things with regards to the economy, personal freedoms, immigration, etc. They bkind and divide us with non issues like abortion and religion, but they both have the same core beliefs.

there are next to zero conservatives in the Republican party anymore, thwyre all RINOs (and many were democrats) that found that they could modify their platform just a touch and now be a republican, even though theyre essentially still big government democrats.

Well said, brother.
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Malcolm, you will be more aligned with the right than the left within the next 10 years.

It might take a while but you'll get there.

I'm calling it right now. 8)

Lol...


you got me there...Buddy of mine and i were having it out about welfare.

I said drug test them. He had some half brained reason not to
I think social security needs to be reexamined but no politician will dare go near that.

So i do think that fiscially i am more conservative. I do think that there are institutions that need to be taken care of the state. I am a product of public school for high school and private for college and i see pros and cons in both. But i think public schools still have a place in society.

Also I understand what Shoot is referring to with the Religious Right vs the Economic Right..

The republicans need to do a better job at drawing that line. Republicans looked cool in the 80s...now they look like ass clowns (see Soul Crusher)

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Government welfare is sucking the country dry too..

I call the DEA Government welfare because the WAR on Drugs has been ineffective by definition yet this department is still grossly overfunded by tax dollars...

This among other government departments

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Lol...


you got me there...Buddy of mine and i were having it out about welfare.

I said drug test them. He had some half brained reason not to
I think social security needs to be reexamined but no politician will dare go near that.

So i do think that fiscially i am more conservative. I do think that there are institutions that need to be taken care of the state. I am a product of public school for high school and private for college and i see pros and cons in both. But i think public schools still have a place in society.

Also I understand what Shoot is referring to with the Religious Right vs the Economic Right..

The republicans need to do a better job at drawing that line. Republicans looked cool in the 80s...now they look like ass clowns (see Soul Crusher)

Mal,

You are what we call "reasonable". I find that reasonable people often think like you. It's the fringe groups that seem to get all of the press for some reason.

I don't understand it.

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Government welfare is sucking the country dry too..

I call the DEA Government welfare because the WAR on Drugs has been ineffective by definition yet this department is still grossly overfunded by tax dollars...

This among other government departments

War on Drugs is a financial drain.  What a waste of money.  The government didn't learn a damn thing from prohibition.
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Lol...


you got me there...Buddy of mine and i were having it out about welfare.

I said drug test them. He had some half brained reason not to
I think social security needs to be reexamined but no politician will dare go near that.

So i do think that fiscially i am more conservative. I do think that there are institutions that need to be taken care of the state. I am a product of public school for high school and private for college and i see pros and cons in both. But i think public schools still have a place in society.

Also I understand what Shoot is referring to with the Religious Right vs the Economic Right..

The republicans need to do a better job at drawing that line. Republicans looked cool in the 80s...now they look like ass clowns (see Soul Crusher)
1. In the states that have drug tested for Welfare, it has proven to be a MASSIVE failure that has cost more money than it has saved.  I can provide you with links if you want.

2. Why would you want to give the government power to delve into people`s personal lives?  Less government action in private lives should be the ideal.


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This is from a few days ago.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/drug-test-policies-end-failure

 Drug-test policies end in failure
01/02/14 09:00 AM—Updated 01/02/14 09:53 AM
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Remember Florida Gov. Rick Scott’s (R) idea of mandating drug tests for welfare applicants? As we’ve discussed before, the Republican governor had a theory: the state could save money by forcing drug users to withdraw from the public-assistance system.
 
At least, that was the idea. In practice, the policy failed spectacularly – only about 2 percent of applicants tested positive, and Florida lost money when it was forced to reimburse everyone else for the cost of the drug test, plus pay for staff and administrative costs for the program.
 
Adding insult to injury, Scott’s policy fared even worse in the courts.

    A federal judge on Tuesday struck down as unconstitutional a Florida law that required welfare applicants to undergo mandatory drug testing, setting the stage for a legal battle that could affect similar efforts nationwide.
    
    Judge Mary S. Scriven of the United States District Court in Orlando held that the testing requirement, the signature legislation of Gov. Rick Scott, a Republican who campaigned on the issue, violated the protection against unreasonable searches.
    
    “The court finds there is no set of circumstances under which the warrantless, suspicionless drug testing at issue in this case could be constitutionally applied,” she wrote.

If this sounds familiar, the same federal court blocked further implementation of the Florida law last February, but this week’s ruling makes permanent what had been a temporary injunction.
 
Also note, the failures of the policy extend beyond the Sunshine State. In Minnesota, state officials reported last week that the drug-testing policy is a flop: participants in Minnesota’s welfare program for low-income families “are actually far less likely to have felony drug convictions than the adult population as a whole.”
 
What’s more, as Jamelle Bouie added, “One of the biggest failures is in Missouri, where the state spent $493,000 on drug testing for this fiscal year. It received 32,511 welfare applications and referred 636 for drug testing. Only twenty came back positive, although nearly two hundred people refused to comply. But even if all 200 were drug users, that still comes to more than $2,200 per positive result, which is more expensive than the median benefit in the state.”
 
The underlying motivation for these policies seems to be an unwarranted assumption: if you’re struggling during difficult economic times, and relying on the safety net to keep your head above water, you’re probably abusing illegal drugs. If not, the theory goes, you’d find a job.
 
It’s an offensive argument, discredited by reality.

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1. In the states that have drug tested for Welfare, it has proven to be a MASSIVE failure that has cost more money than it has saved.  I can provide you with links if you want.

2. Why would you want to give the government power to delve into people`s personal lives?  Less government action in private lives should be the ideal.



I wasnt aware of the numbers but if implementing Drug Testing is a failure then its back to the drawing board. But i do see a problem with giving someone someone elses money with no strings attached.

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This is from a few days ago.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/drug-test-policies-end-failure

 Drug-test policies end in failure
01/02/14 09:00 AM—Updated 01/02/14 09:53 AM
facebook twitter 17 save share group 106
By Steve Benen
Remember Florida Gov. Rick Scott’s (R) idea of mandating drug tests for welfare applicants? As we’ve discussed before, the Republican governor had a theory: the state could save money by forcing drug users to withdraw from the public-assistance system.
 
At least, that was the idea. In practice, the policy failed spectacularly – only about 2 percent of applicants tested positive, and Florida lost money when it was forced to reimburse everyone else for the cost of the drug test, plus pay for staff and administrative costs for the program.
 
Adding insult to injury, Scott’s policy fared even worse in the courts.

    A federal judge on Tuesday struck down as unconstitutional a Florida law that required welfare applicants to undergo mandatory drug testing, setting the stage for a legal battle that could affect similar efforts nationwide.
    
    Judge Mary S. Scriven of the United States District Court in Orlando held that the testing requirement, the signature legislation of Gov. Rick Scott, a Republican who campaigned on the issue, violated the protection against unreasonable searches.
    
    “The court finds there is no set of circumstances under which the warrantless, suspicionless drug testing at issue in this case could be constitutionally applied,” she wrote.

If this sounds familiar, the same federal court blocked further implementation of the Florida law last February, but this week’s ruling makes permanent what had been a temporary injunction.
 
Also note, the failures of the policy extend beyond the Sunshine State. In Minnesota, state officials reported last week that the drug-testing policy is a flop: participants in Minnesota’s welfare program for low-income families “are actually far less likely to have felony drug convictions than the adult population as a whole.”
 
What’s more, as Jamelle Bouie added, “One of the biggest failures is in Missouri, where the state spent $493,000 on drug testing for this fiscal year. It received 32,511 welfare applications and referred 636 for drug testing. Only twenty came back positive, although nearly two hundred people refused to comply. But even if all 200 were drug users, that still comes to more than $2,200 per positive result, which is more expensive than the median benefit in the state.”
 
The underlying motivation for these policies seems to be an unwarranted assumption: if you’re struggling during difficult economic times, and relying on the safety net to keep your head above water, you’re probably abusing illegal drugs. If not, the theory goes, you’d find a job.
 
It’s an offensive argument, discredited by reality.

Well that solves tha. Thanks, good find

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I wasnt aware of the numbers but if implementing Drug Testing is a failure then its back to the drawing board. But i do see a problem with giving someone someone elses money with no strings attached.
There are strings attached for the most part.  Social Welfare is not bankrupting the country though at all.  If anything, it helps stimulate the economy further.  Its not like the money is being hoarded away.  

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Another State.

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2013/08/27/2532851/utah-spent-30000-catch-12-drug-users-welfare/

Utah Spent More Than $30,000 To Catch 12 Drug Users On Welfare

By Bryce Covert   on August 27, 2013 at 10:00 am
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drug testUtah has spent more than $30,000 to drug test welfare applicants after it passed a new law last year. But in that time, just 12 people have tested positive for drug use, according to state figures.

Utah doesn’t randomly test applicants or require them to all undergo a drug test, but instead requires them to complete a written questionnaire that is meant to screen for drug abuse. Those who have a high probability are then given drug tests. The state spent nearly $6,000 on written tests for 4,730 applicants, 466 of which had to take a drug test, which cost more than $25,000. The law doesn’t disqualify those who test positive but instead requires them to go into a substance abuse treatment program.

Other states have turned up similar results. In Florida, just 2 percent of welfare recipients failed drug tests in 2011, compared to 8 percent of the state’s population who use illegal drugs. And while Gov. Rick Scott (R) had promised that the law would bring out savings, those will be almost negligible after administrative costs and reimbursing those who took the $30 tests. A federal appeals court rejected Florida’s law in February. In Virginia, a similar proposal failed when lawmakers determined that it would cost $1.5 million to administer and save just $229,000.

At least eight states have laws that drug test people who apply for or receive public benefits, and at least 29 new proposals have been introduced this year. Kansas became the latest to adopt such a policy when it passed a law in April. Yet many recent court rulings have blocked these laws as likely unconstitutional.

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There are strings attached for the most part.  Social Welfare is not bankrupting the country though at all.  If anything, it helps stimulate the economy further.  Its not like the money is being hoarded away.  
So by the numbers, what is the biggest drain on our economy as far as spending. I would guess it was Defense Spending

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So by the numbers, what is the biggest drain on our economy as far as spending. I would guess it was Defense Spending
Bingo!

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Bingo!

So wouldnt Fiscal Conservatives vote to cut it?

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So by the numbers, what is the biggest drain on our economy as far as spending. I would guess it was Defense Spending
http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/1jj4w3/

You want to talk outrageous prices.  Here is what the US military spent on ONE BOLT for an old Hummer.





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So wouldnt Fiscal Conservatives vote to cut it?
They don`t dare cut the military.