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Re: Keto diet
« Reply #25 on: February 14, 2024, 03:23:38 PM »
Imagine our a ancestors were able to hunt willimamoth all without glucose fueling these hunts, they'd make a kill, eat for a few days then go days if not weeks without food, but still have the energy to hunt and forage for food. No science back then, telling them sugar is the bodies preferred fuel source, yet they survived somehow.

We’re talking about athletic performance not survival.

Sorry, Ketones can’t Synthesize ATP as quickly as glucose. Don’t blame me. It wasn’t my idea.

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Re: Keto diet
« Reply #26 on: February 14, 2024, 03:25:10 PM »
there are many athletes with a top gear on keto diets

Its like fasted cardio as opposed to breakfast first, it make zero difference to your athletic ability, try both.

Yes, we keep hearing about these mythical athletes, but they never seem to exist in reality.

I repeat. Ketones cannot synthesize ATP as quickly as glucose. It is what it is.

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Re: Keto diet
« Reply #27 on: February 14, 2024, 03:29:22 PM »

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Re: Keto diet
« Reply #28 on: February 14, 2024, 03:33:58 PM »
Yes, we keep hearing about these mythical athletes, but they never seem to exist in reality.

I repeat. Ketones cannot synthesize ATP as quickly as glucose. It is what it is.
I'm not an elite athlete, I'm just a guy who wants to have great muscularity, have energy to work, train, hike, bike, swim, look great with my shirt off, stay healthy, and not be constantly injured.  All I know is I feel my best I've ever felt.

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Re: Keto diet
« Reply #29 on: February 14, 2024, 05:29:06 PM »
On a keto/carnivore diet I've trained for an hour and a half then rode my bike on a trail for 20+ miles, all before eating anything in the morning except a cup of coffee.

Plenty of energy.  Some of you are saying this is impossible to do without eating carbs.

A low carb diet also has metabolic benefits. 

It increases insulin sensitivity, lowers your triglycerides and raises your HDL.

What you should at least do for health is cut out sugars, processed foods, and seed oils.

Doing that will solve many of your present and future metabolic conditions.



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Re: Keto diet
« Reply #30 on: February 14, 2024, 05:34:55 PM »
On a keto/carnivore diet I've trained for an hour then rode my bike on a trail for 20+ miles, all before eating anything in the morning except a cup of coffee.

Plenty of energy.  Some of you are saying this is impossible to do without eating carbs.
Funny how Milos says when he trains Hunter Campbell and Dana White they're both keto and both train giant sets with Milos fasted, Milos was like "I dont know how they do it, they say they feel great" Milos is so focused on the carbs and insulin protocol, which will definitely get you round and full temporarily and cosmetically, but he's witnessing what ketones can do with those two.

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Re: Keto diet
« Reply #31 on: February 14, 2024, 05:36:23 PM »
Funny how Milos says when he trains Hunter Campbell and Dana White they're both keto and both train giant sets with Milos fasted, Milos was like "I dont know how they do it, they say they feel great" Milos is so focused on the carbs and insulin protocol, which will definitely get you round and full temporarily and cosmetically, but he's witnessing what ketones can do with those two.

I train fasted everyday, lately without even a cup of coffee.

What you just said goes along with the current fad of pre-workout supplements.
What bs.
Just a scam to sell supplements.

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Re: Keto diet
« Reply #32 on: February 14, 2024, 05:43:50 PM »
I train fasted everyday, lately without even a cup of coffee.

What you just said goes along with the current fad of pre-workout supplements.
What bs.
Just a scam to sell supplements.
I get better pumps without the caffeine, seeing caffeine is a vasoconstrictor, I'll just load up on sodium, and sometimes use some unflavored Citrulline and beta alanine from True Nutrition. Or half a tab of cialis.

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Re: Keto diet
« Reply #33 on: February 14, 2024, 05:45:19 PM »
I get better pumps without the caffeine, seeing caffeine is a vasoconstrictor, I'll just load up on sodium, and sometimes use some unflavored Citrulline and beta alanine from True Nutrition. Or half a tab of cialis.

What type of sodium do you use?


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Re: Keto diet
« Reply #34 on: February 14, 2024, 05:50:13 PM »

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Re: Keto diet
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Re: Keto diet
« Reply #36 on: February 14, 2024, 06:16:43 PM »
Ok, thanks.

I use himalayan pink salt.
A lot of those a faked so be careful, they use food dye and color the salt pink.

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Re: Keto diet
« Reply #37 on: February 14, 2024, 06:44:26 PM »
Ok, thanks.

I use himalayan pink salt.
It does work I use some with honey and scoop unflavored powdered arginine before workout,good pump,endurance.

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Re: Keto diet
« Reply #38 on: February 15, 2024, 03:25:32 AM »
On a keto/carnivore diet I've trained for an hour and a half then rode my bike on a trail for 20+ miles, all before eating anything in the morning except a cup of coffee.

Plenty of energy.  Some of you are saying this is impossible to do without eating carbs.

A low carb diet also has metabolic benefits. 

It increases insulin sensitivity, lowers your triglycerides and raises your HDL.

What you should at least do for health is cut out sugars, processed foods, and seed oils.

Doing that will solve many of your present and future metabolic conditions.

I was responding to a comment made by coach who said he wouldn’t train an athlete using keto.

If you were coaching an MMA fighter for a 5x 5 minute round fight, would you advocate a keto diet?

I wouldn’t. Why? Because you would be depriving him of a fuel source that synthesizes ATP (Energy) faster than does fats or ketones.

No one is saying that you can’t go for a bike ride on Keto. If it works for you that’s great.

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Re: Keto diet
« Reply #39 on: February 15, 2024, 04:58:44 AM »
I was responding to a comment made by coach who said he wouldn’t train an athlete using keto.

If you were coaching an MMA fighter for a 5x 5 minute round fight, would you advocate a keto diet?

I wouldn’t. Why? Because you would be depriving him of a fuel source that synthesizes ATP (Energy) faster than does fats or ketones.

No one is saying that you can’t go for a bike ride on Keto. If it works for you that’s great.


If a successful triathlon athlete can use it there is no reason it wouldn't work for an MMA fighter too.

But I have no idea if it would or not.

Eating low carb is good for your health. 

MMA contests are not good for your health. 

Competitive bodybuilding is not good for your health.

Taking drugs to look good in a t-shirt is not good for your health.

Playing NFL football is not good for your health.

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Re: Keto diet
« Reply #40 on: February 15, 2024, 05:07:35 AM »
Yes, we keep hearing about these mythical athletes, but they never seem to exist in reality.

I repeat. Ketones cannot synthesize ATP as quickly as glucose. It is what it is.

Anecdotally,  previously having been on a keto diet, my main method of fitness was boxing. I spent my late 30's through mid 40's drinking.....a lot. Got grossly out of shape- for me, relatively speaking.

Once I was in ketosis my athletic performance was almost as good as my teens and 20's when I wteztled and boxed. In fact it seemed to give me another 'gear mentally' like I could train for hours.

I'd say in in the course of 6 - 8 months, I probably dropped 35 to 40 lbs. I got very lean and had energy for days. I stopped because I got too thin.

My athletic performance at 45 was better than almost every single one of the 300 or so guys that I worked with at the time. Most were half my age and with few exceptions all were fairly competitive. 


Now, obviously,  thats not pro-athlete level and I don't have times and stats for you. But the change in my health, appearance and athleticism was really incredible.... for the average, non-user, middle age dude, it's almost fool proof way to get into really good physical condition.

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Re: Keto diet
« Reply #41 on: February 15, 2024, 05:10:44 AM »
Going full keto or carnivore is not for everyone.

At least greatly reduce your intake of sugars, processed and refined foods, and seed oils.

At best eliminate such things from your diet.

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Re: Keto diet
« Reply #42 on: February 15, 2024, 05:20:19 AM »
Going full keto or carnivore is not for everyone.

At least greatly reduce your intake of sugars, processed and refined foods, and seed oils.

At best eliminate such things from your diet.

this

mentzer prescribed this... 25% pro 60% carb 15% fat

in the wwe bb back in the early 90s did mario depauqule keto and they all looked like shit :-X :-X :-X

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Re: Keto diet
« Reply #43 on: February 15, 2024, 06:27:56 AM »

If a successful triathlon athlete can use it there is no reason it wouldn't work for an MMA fighter too.

But I have no idea if it would or not.

Eating low carb is good for your health. 

MMA contests are not good for your health. 

Competitive bodybuilding is not good for your health.

Taking drugs to look good in a t-shirt is not good for your health.

Playing NFL football is not good for your health.

Who are these triathletes? This is one of the top gels for endurance.

You don’t seem to understand. Once you get into the 80% VOmax range, fat use as a fuel falls off a cliff and glucose becomes the preferred fuel source out of necessity.

As was said , Keto is almost like a religion and its advocates can’t accept this reality.




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Re: Keto diet
« Reply #44 on: February 15, 2024, 06:34:46 AM »
this

mentzer prescribed this... 25% pro 60% carb 15% fat

in the wwe bb back in the early 90s did mario depauqule Mauro Di Pasquale keto and they all looked like shit :-X :-X :-X

The WBF folks looked better than the turdz of today. Mauro Di Pasquale's Anabolic Diet is like any other, works for a while, then doesnt..

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Re: Keto diet
« Reply #45 on: February 15, 2024, 06:37:46 AM »
The WBF folks looked better than the turdz of today. Mauro Di Pasquale's Anabolic Diet is like any other, works for a while, then doesnt..

these dipshits today are clueless

yep

but at least some push a healthier gear protocol

gotta dive em props for that

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Re: Keto diet
« Reply #46 on: February 15, 2024, 07:07:15 AM »
Who are these triathletes? This is one of the top gels for endurance.

You don’t seem to understand. Once you get into the 80% VOmax range, fat use as a fuel falls off a cliff and glucose becomes the preferred fuel source out of necessity.

As was said , Keto is almost like a religion and its advocates can’t accept this reality.





Somebody here posted a marathon or triathlete guy who was on keto.  Maybe Keto Kid.

I will not dispute your statements about keto not being ideal for that.

It would be impossible to get enough calories doing keto to maintain your bodyweight and strength doing those things.

Most Americans are fat and either diabetic or pre-diabetic so getting enough calories is not the problem.

Since none of us are doing marathons or triathlons or MMA it's irrelevant.

Like i said I've trained hard for 1-2 hours with weights, then done a strenuous 20+ mile trail bike ride immediately after without eating anything for 14 hours.

I understand what you are saying about ATP.  How was I able to do all that?  My body was producing the energy needed.

It was producing glucose and ketones from stores of course.

You do low carb/keto/carnivore for health reasons.

If you want to die young then do all those extreme athletic pursuits, disable your body, enlarge your heart, get concussed, mess with your endocrine system, etc.

I don't do keto anymore.  I did for a good year or more but then went to carnivore as it is much simpler.

You just eat meat, eggs, and animal products.  No calorie counting.  No hunger.

I carb up a bit on the weekend too and eat some bagels, etc.  However, not too much or I don't feel good.

5 days a week I am carnivore with the addition of some low starch green vegetables or salad.

For example, yesterday I had (over the course of the day) 7 whole eggs fried in animal lard, beef fat fried, almonds, walnuts, peanuts, 1 1/2 baked chicken leg quarters, broccoli, 12 oz coffee with halfnhalf.  I eat 3-4 dozen whole eggs each week.


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Re: Keto diet
« Reply #47 on: February 15, 2024, 07:12:39 AM »
Anecdotally,  previously having been on a keto diet, my main method of fitness was boxing. I spent my late 30's through mid 40's drinking.....a lot. Got grossly out of shape- for me, relatively speaking.

Once I was in ketosis my athletic performance was almost as good as my teens and 20's when I wteztled and boxed. In fact it seemed to give me another 'gear mentally' like I could train for hours.

I'd say in in the course of 6 - 8 months, I probably dropped 35 to 40 lbs. I got very lean and had energy for days. I stopped because I got too thin.

My athletic performance at 45 was better than almost every single one of the 300 or so guys that I worked with at the time. Most were half my age and with few exceptions all were fairly competitive. 


Now, obviously,  thats not pro-athlete level and I don't have times and stats for you. But the change in my health, appearance and athleticism was really incredible.... for the average, non-user, middle age dude, it's almost fool proof way to get into really good physical condition.

You got healthier because you lost weight. That improves all health markers. Most people get fat in middle age and a result their health and performance decline more than they otherwise would.

IMO the sweet spot for active people is 150-200 grams of carbs. The problem is that fat fvcks who don’t exercise eat 400g+. This results in weight gain and chronic high blood sugar which eventually leads to health issues.

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Re: Keto diet
« Reply #48 on: February 15, 2024, 07:13:12 AM »




This is just sugar.  Maltodextrin and fructose.

Fructose causes inflammation and metabolic issues, high triglycerides, etc. 

Maltodextrin very often causes problems with the gut biome. 

Unfortunately these are in most processed foods, particularly high fructose corn syrup.

Table sugar is 50% fructose.

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Re: Keto diet
« Reply #49 on: February 15, 2024, 07:17:07 AM »
You got healthier because you lost weight. That improves all health markers. Most people get fat in middle age and a result their health and performance decline more than they otherwise would.

IMO the sweet spot for active people is 150-200 grams of carbs. The problem is that fat fvcks who don’t exercise eat 400g+. This results in weight gain and chronic high blood sugar which eventually leads to health issues.

yep yep

weigh loss impoves health FACT

some bb eat 1000 grams of carbs

bodyweight is the highest preciditor of mortality FACT