black emt set on fire.

[Primemuscle]

I agree with your opinion that it looked like a nice house. I don't know who the girl had her face burned by or if she was actually burned.

Relevance: Germane to this discussion is comparing and contrasting video evidence of an actual crime involving fire VS no video-evidence thus far of an alleged crime involving fire.

Speculative relevance:

Comparing or contrasting what might turn out to be two false accusations VS what might turn out to be one false accusation and an accusation that turns out to be true.

Your intelligent response is appreciated. Do you think there is any possibility the house burning video was posted in this thread to evidence black people as being particularly violent, thereby minimizing the possible violence by white folks perpetuated against the EMT victim?   

[Megalodon]

Your intelligent response is appreciated. Do you think there is any possibility the house burning video was posted in this thread to evidence black people as being particularly violent, thereby minimizing the possible violence by white folks perpetuated against the EMT victim?

You are welcome. No. In addition to my information provided thus far, the video, in my opinion, is "food for thought" regarding the potential unintended, or possibly intended, effects of de-funding the police, partially or entirely, to the point where citizens take the law into their own hands. It is also my opinion that the video may also serve as an example of true democracy, which is essentially mob rule, as well as what happens when government officials abrogate their responsibility, as suggested by the mob leader's claims of dereliction of duty by the police in responding to the alleged kidnappings.

[Primemuscle]

You are welcome. No. In addition to my information provided thus far, the video, in my opinion, is "food for thought" regarding the potential unintended, or possibly intended, effects of de-funding the police, partially or entirely, to the point where citizens take the law into their own hands. It is also my opinion that the video may also serve as an example of true democracy, which is essentially mob rule, as well as what happens when government officials abrogate their responsibility, as suggested by the mob leader's claims of dereliction of duty by the police in responding to the alleged kidnappings.

May I assume that you agree with me that defunding the police is about the stupidest thing we as a society could do? It is a mindless knee-jerk over-reaction intended to resolve the issue of police brutality. When there are no police, I wonder how folks will like vigilante brutality?

MILWAUKEE (CBS 58) – In a unanimous vote Thursday night, June 18, MPS (Milwaukie Public Schools) passed a resolution to end their contract with the Milwaukee Police Department.

The resolution immediately terminates all contracts with MPD and directs the superintendent to stop any contracts to buy or keep metal detectors, facial recognition software and social media monitoring software.

Portland Public Schools will no longer have city police officers patrol the halls of its nine high schools, nor will the other two school districts inside Portland city limits.

[Megalodon]

May I assume that you agree with me that defunding the police is about the stupidest thing we as a society could do? It is a mindless knee-jerk over-reaction intended to resolve the issue of police brutality. When there are no police, I wonder how folks will like vigilante brutality?

MILWAUKEE (CBS 58) – In a unanimous vote Thursday night, June 18, MPS (Milwaukie Public Schools) passed a resolution to end their contract with the Milwaukee Police Department.

The resolution immediately terminates all contracts with MPD and directs the superintendent to stop any contracts to buy or keep metal detectors, facial recognition software and social media monitoring software.

Portland Public Schools will no longer have city police officers patrol the halls of its nine high schools, nor will the other two school districts inside Portland city limits.

I agree. Many areas they want defunded are where police are most needed. The current tolerance for lawlessness has already created intolerable working conditions for police as well a lot more "call in sicks" and indifference. Damned if they do uphold law, damned if they don't. This is possibly the worst time in US history to be a cop. Who would want to be a cop these days?  At this rate, there may eventually be police shortages whether it's government mandated or not.

[Primemuscle]

I agree. Many areas they want defunded are where police are most needed. The current tolerance for lawlessness has already created intolerable working conditions for police as well a lot more "call in sicks" and indifference. Damned if they do uphold law, damned if they don't. This is possibly the worst time in US history to be a cop. Who would want to be a cop these days?  At this rate, there may eventually be police shortages whether it's government mandated or not.

Not sure how many police we have in total in West Linn, but often when there is a traffic stop, you'll see three police cars working it. My favorite story is about the time a cop car with two policemen followed me home and pulled into my driveway right behind me. The one who stepped out of his vehicle wanted me to know that one of my rear brake lights was out....really, is that all they have to do?

I am not ashamed of where I live despite the shit I get about it on Getbig. Everything I have, I've worked for. Nothing was ever handed to me. And yes, this is about as white a community as there is in all of the U.S. I still maintain that people live where they can afford to live. There are no rules (which would be against the law) against people of color living here. Anyone who can afford the price is welcome...at least as far as I and apparently many of my neighbors with Black Lives Matter lawn signs are concerned.

With a crime rate for both violent and property crime combined of 10 per 1,000 residents, the crime rate in West Linn is one of the lowest in America among communities of all sizes (lower than 62% of America's communities). One's chance of becoming a victim of crime in West Linn is one in 103. I assume this means in the last year, since there is no date on these stats. We've had 0 murders, 4 rapes, 3 robberies and and 18 assaults (what's with this? Must be a lot of drunken parties since there are almost no bars or taverns and what there are almost always are part of a restaurant. Maybe it includes fights at the high school after football games).

The population of this little city is 27,000. 79% of the housing is owner occupied. The median home price is just under $500K. There are 2.68 people per household. 97% of the folks here over 25 have a high school or higher education, 60% have a Bachelors' degree or higher. The median household income is $104K with a per capita income of $52K (2018 figures). Around 15% of the population is over 65 years. Their are slightly more females than males. 87% of the population is white. Less than 2% of the folks are black.

Updated: April 16, 2020
Job Classification:  Recruit Police Officer

Salary Information: $27.71 - $37.98 hourly

The City of West Linn Police Department is currently hiring for Police Officer.  This position performs law enforcement work as necessary to maintain public peace and order, to protect life and property and to prevent crime.  Federal, State, and local laws and ordinances are enforced while performing both patrol and investigative activities.  Public relations and crime prevention activities are an integral part of this job's responsibilities.

All in all, this seems like it would be a pretty cushy job. Too bad I am too old for it and I hate bossing people around.

[SOMEPARTS]

Not sure how many police we have in total in West Linn, but often when there is a traffic stop, you'll see three police cars working it. My favorite story is about the time a cop car with two policemen followed me home and pulled into my driveway right behind me. The one who stepped out of his vehicle wanted me to know that one of my rear brake lights was out....really, is that all they have to do?

I am not ashamed of where I live despite the shit I get about it on Getbig. Everything I have, I've worked for. Nothing was ever handed to me. And yes, this is about as white a community as there is in all of the U.S. I still maintain that people live where they can afford to live. There are no rules (which would be against the law) against people of color living here. Anyone who can afford the price is welcome...at least as far as I and apparently many of my neighbors with Black Lives Matter lawn signs are concerned.

With a crime rate for both violent and property crime combined of 10 per 1,000 residents, the crime rate in West Linn is one of the lowest in America among communities of all sizes (lower than 62% of America's communities). One's chance of becoming a victim of any crime in West Linn is one in 103 out of 1,000. I assume this means in the last year, since there is no date on these stats. We've had 0 murders, 4 rapes, 3 robberies and and 18 assaults (what's with this? Must be a lot of drunken parties since there are almost no bars or taverns and what there are almost always are part of a restaurant. Maybe it includes fights at the high school after football games).

The population of this little city is 27,000. 79% of the housing is owner occupied. The median home price is just under $500K. There are 2.68 people per household. 97% of the folks here over 25 have a high school or higher education, 60% have a Bachelors' degree or higher. The median household income is $104K with a per capita income of $52K (2018 figures). Around 15% of the population is over 65 years. Their are slightly more females than males. 87% of the population is white. Less than 2% of the folks are black.

Updated: April 16, 2020
Job Classification:  Recruit Police Officer

Salary Information: $27.71 - $37.98 hourly

The City of West Linn Police Department is currently hiring for Police Officer.  This position performs law enforcement work as necessary to maintain public peace and order, to protect life and property and to prevent crime.  Federal, State, and local laws and ordinances are enforced while performing both patrol and investigative activities.  Public relations and crime prevention activities are an integral part of this job's responsibilities.

All in all, this seems like it would be a pretty cushy job. Too bad I am too old for it and I hate bossing people around.

Okay, maybe there is something to this whole "if you're white you can't understand thing" hahaha. You just made the correlation between your low minority population and low crime(and one of those numbers is probably per 100k not 1k). You would be kicked off of Twitter and escorted out of any blue city council meeting for what you just typed.

Just incredibly isolated from the impact of your supposed politics. NIMBY big time.

[obsidian]

May I assume that you agree with me that defunding the police is about the stupidest thing we as a society could do? It is a mindless knee-jerk over-reaction intended to resolve the issue of police brutality. When there are no police, I wonder how folks will like vigilante brutality?

MILWAUKEE (CBS 58) – In a unanimous vote Thursday night, June 18, MPS (Milwaukie Public Schools) passed a resolution to end their contract with the Milwaukee Police Department.

The resolution immediately terminates all contracts with MPD and directs the superintendent to stop any contracts to buy or keep metal detectors, facial recognition software and social media monitoring software.

Portland Public Schools will no longer have city police officers patrol the halls of its nine high schools, nor will the other two school districts inside Portland city limits.

Yes it is stupid and that's your side pushing for it. Democrats! The regressive left!

[Megalodon]

Not sure how many police we have in total in West Linn, but often when there is a traffic stop, you'll see three police cars working it. My favorite story is about the time a cop car with two policemen followed me home and pulled into my driveway right behind me. The one who stepped out of his vehicle wanted me to know that one of my rear brake lights was out....really, is that all they have to do?

I am not ashamed of where I live despite the shit I get about it on Getbig. Everything I have, I've worked for. Nothing was ever handed to me. And yes, this is about as white a community as there is in all of the U.S. I still maintain that people live where they can afford to live. There are no rules (which would be against the law) against people of color living here. Anyone who can afford the price is welcome...at least as far as I and apparently many of my neighbors with Black Lives Matter lawn signs are concerned.

With a crime rate for both violent and property crime combined of 10 per 1,000 residents, the crime rate in West Linn is one of the lowest in America among communities of all sizes (lower than 62% of America's communities). One's chance of becoming a victim of any crime in West Linn is one in 103 out of 1,000. I assume this means in the last year, since there is no date on these stats. We've had 0 murders, 4 rapes, 3 robberies and and 18 assaults (what's with this? Must be a lot of drunken parties since there are almost no bars or taverns and what there are almost always are part of a restaurant. Maybe it includes fights at the high school after football games).

The population of this little city is 27,000. 79% of the housing is owner occupied. The median home price is just under $500K. There are 2.68 people per household. 97% of the folks here over 25 have a high school or higher education, 60% have a Bachelors' degree or higher. The median household income is $104K with a per capita income of $52K (2018 figures). Around 15% of the population is over 65 years. Their are slightly more females than males. 87% of the population is white. Less than 2% of the folks are black.

Updated: April 16, 2020
Job Classification:  Recruit Police Officer

Salary Information: $27.71 - $37.98 hourly

The City of West Linn Police Department is currently hiring for Police Officer.  This position performs law enforcement work as necessary to maintain public peace and order, to protect life and property and to prevent crime.  Federal, State, and local laws and ordinances are enforced while performing both patrol and investigative activities.  Public relations and crime prevention activities are an integral part of this job's responsibilities.

All in all, this seems like it would be a pretty cushy job. Too bad I am too old for it and I hate bossing people around.

You make a great point by contrasting your relatively safe city of West Linn with what I referred to in my post as areas "where police are most needed". That underscores our mutual understanding and agreement that high crime cities like St. Louis, Detroit, Washington DC, Baltimore, Memphis, Kansas City, Milwaukee, Cleveland. Albuquerque, Indianapolis, Oakland, etc... should not de-fund their police departments. It is interesting to note that, since the May 25 killing of George Floyd to June 24, the NYPD has experienced a "49 percent spike" in uniformed police retirements when compared to the officers that filed during the same time period last year:

https://nypost.com/2020/06/27/272-nypd-cops-file-for-retirement-since-floyd-protests/


You are fortunate to live in a city where you consider police work a cushy job. Unfortunately, police work is not widely considered to be undemanding across the United States. It does not appear to be what could be described as a 'cushy job' in Portland, which is not far from West Linn:

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1277282782880755713

[Body-Buildah]

another fake story no doubt

[Body-Buildah]

stats that are real

[Megalodon]

[Primemuscle]

Okay, maybe there is something to this whole "if you're white you can't understand thing" hahaha. You just made the correlation between your low minority population and low crime(and one of those numbers is probably per 100k not 1k). You would be kicked off of Twitter and escorted out of any blue city council meeting for what you just typed.

Just incredibly isolated from the impact of your supposed politics. NIMBY big time.

Thank you for catching my error. My cut a paste skills were off. It fixed it. It should have read, one's chance of becoming a victim of crime in West Linn is one in 103. So yeah, the West Linn city council would be very unhappy about my mistake.

I made that correlation about the low minority race demographic because it is a fact. Was I not supposed to do that? Not only is the black population tiny, many blacks who live here are well paid sports celebrities who have estates in gated areas of which there are several. Where I live is not gated nor are the homes around me estates.

I thought I was very clear about one of the reasons for our low crime rate is the high cost of housing. Another is a high ratio of police. There's also the fact that more people are home during the day because they either work from home, are retired or otherwise do no have to work. Most robbers prefer to steal from houses were the residents aren't home.

West Linn is almost entirely residential. There's a couple of small retail areas which are little more than strip malls. Access in and out of this area is limited mainly to Hwy 43 and three exits from and entrances to I-205. Public transportation is very limited. It is very rare to see transients. I'm not sure what our laws are regarding loitering and panhandling, but the police seem to run them off pretty quickly. The area in West Linn with the most reported crimes is around West Linn Central Village located on hwy 43 with easy access to I 205, (photo below).

[TheGrinch]

#BlackLiesMatter

https://abc7ny.com/shootings-in-nyc-harlem-crown-heights-shooting-skyrocket/6278640/

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/2-arrested-in-nyc-shootings-that-injured-7-year-old-girl-left-young-woman-dead/2489363/

https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2020/06/28/nyc-shootings-june-2020/

[Irongrip400]

Was she a member? I’m leaning more towards the shit chemical peel angle. I won’t be surprised to see this one shown to be a hoax.

[IroNat]

Thank you for catching my error. My cut a paste skills were off. It fixed it. It should have read, one's chance of becoming a victim of crime in West Linn is one in 103. So yeah, the West Linn city council would be very unhappy about my mistake.

I made that correlation about the low minority race demographic because it is a fact. Was I not supposed to do that? Not only is the black population tiny, many blacks who live here are well paid sports celebrities who have estates in gated areas of which there are several. Where I live is not gated nor are the homes around me estates.

I thought I was very clear about one of the reasons for our low crime rate is the high cost of housing. Another is a high ratio of police. There's also the fact that more people are home during the day because they either work from home, are retired or otherwise do no have to work. Most robbers prefer to steal from houses were the residents aren't home.

West Linn is almost entirely residential. There's a couple of small retail areas which are little more than strip malls. Access in and out of this area is limited mainly to Hwy 43 and three exits from and entrances to I-205. Public transportation is very limited. It is very rare to see transients. I'm not sure what our laws are regarding loitering and panhandling, but the police seem to run them off pretty quickly. The area in West Linn with the most reported crimes is around West Linn Central Village located on hwy 43 with easy access to I 205, (photo below).

Prime,
Your town needs a low income housing development so low income folks are not deprived of quality living and fine educations.
It's racist to exclude these folks from your town.  Very racist.
Also the children in your town are being deprived of the benefits of diversity.

[Primemuscle]

Prime,
Your town needs a low income housing development so low income folks are not deprived of quality living and fine educations.
It's racist to exclude these folks from your town.  Very racist.
Also the children in your town are being deprived of the benefits of diversity.

I agree with you. One problem is the many low income people need public transportation to get around so they can get to their jobs and shop etc.  We barely have any public transportation. There is one Trimet bus route which runs north to Portland or south to the Oregon City exchange station. We have no manufacturing or industrial areas at all. Places where lower income people often work. I don't think one McDonald's, one Subway and one 7-11 which is the sum total of the places which offer starter jobs, cuts it.

Even if we had the amenities lower income people rely on so more could live here, who is going to build this housing development you suggest? Commercial contractors aren't interested in non-profit projects, not even in Portland where the city can afford to offer huge tax breaks to them. There is a smattering of lower rent apartment units. But they are still not affordable enough for many people. At the one really large apartment complex Cascade Summit. The rent for a 1 bedroom apartment is $1,450. https://www.zillow.com/b/cascade-summit-apartment-homes-west-linn-or-5XkJbt/

I don't think this situation is unique to West Linn, OR. It is definitely an issue all over the U.S. Even in Germany where my son lives, low income housing is subsidized by the government. You mainly only find it in the larger cities.  However, at least there is enough housing there so that no one needs to be homeless.

We have a huge senior housing community in nearby Lake Oswego. The property is owned by the Catholic Church. It offers multiple levels of senior housing, everything from small 2 and 3 bedroom "villas" for completely independent living to a huge senior care facility (nursing home). But none of this is cheap. I can barely afford to buy in there. https://maryswoods.org/?gclid=Cj0KCQjw9IX4BRCcARIsAOD2OB1l0alULKq2KwRU4MgSU-cGOzKaM-Nyfq92S3LpoVHojJoTAqNgRskaAjv6EALw_wcB

It is not a race issue, it is an affordability issue. You are implying it is only people of color who are low income. That's racist.

[Body-Buildah]

#BlackLiesMatter

https://abc7ny.com/shootings-in-nyc-harlem-crown-heights-shooting-skyrocket/6278640/

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/2-arrested-in-nyc-shootings-that-injured-7-year-old-girl-left-young-woman-dead/2489363/

https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2020/06/28/nyc-shootings-june-2020/

the poor dindus, they are so innocent, dont blame them its not their fault (that theyre brain-dead)

[Megalodon]

Did they find the culprits or do they hope we'll forget this story...

[Maxwell Smart]

Did they find the culprits or do they hope we'll forget this story...

THIS.  Everyone knows it's complete bullshit and so they just dropped the story.

[Body-Buildah]

THIS.  Everyone knows it's complete bullshit and so they just dropped the story.

not many of their made-up stories contain facts, proof, etc
yet their child-like minds keep trying (ahh, the chimp-like mind of a pavement ape)
when juicey smooliette gets away with it without repercussion i guess they can keep trying
you dont see smarter white folks making stuff up, there already so many black-on-white attacks with proof theres no need to fake things

[Skeletor]

Did they find the culprits or do they hope we'll forget this story...

Almost 2 weeks now and they can't find the "white supremacists" who supposedly tried to a burn a black woman (who also claims to be jewish)?

[Megalodon]

Almost 2 weeks now and they can't find the "white supremacists" who supposedly tried to a burn a black woman (who also claims to be jewish)?

The investigators and media might be very sensitive about her background given her past "traumatic episodes of sexual abuse that compromised her sense of self-confidence and personal security".

This was an article written about her before the alleged incident:

https://joytripproject.com/bridgetothefuture/

Excerpt: "But her relationship with nature also helped her to survive and heal from traumatic episodes of sexual abuse that compromised her sense of self-confidence and personal security."

The stakes are high because Meghan Markle and princess harry reached out to her publicly and talked to her privately with the foregone conclusion that her story was truthful.

There is major embarrassment for many if this story is false and trauma as well for the girl, who is already dealing with serious trauma from her past, may have been motivated by her traumatic past, and doesn't have the emotional equipment to deal with becoming the next Bubba Smollett.

[IroNat]

I agree with you. One problem is the many low income people need public transportation to get around so they can get to their jobs and shop etc.  We barely have any public transportation. There is one Trimet bus route which runs north to Portland or south to the Oregon City exchange station. We have no manufacturing or industrial areas at all. Places where lower income people often work. I don't think one McDonald's, one Subway and one 7-11 which is the sum total of the places which offer starter jobs, cuts it.

Even if we had the amenities lower income people rely on so more could live here, who is going to build this housing development you suggest? Commercial contractors aren't interested in non-profit projects, not even in Portland where the city can afford to offer huge tax breaks to them. There is a smattering of lower rent apartment units. But they are still not affordable enough for many people. At the one really large apartment complex Cascade Summit. The rent for a 1 bedroom apartment is $1,450. https://www.zillow.com/b/cascade-summit-apartment-homes-west-linn-or-5XkJbt/

I don't think this situation is unique to West Linn, OR. It is definitely an issue all over the U.S. Even in Germany where my son lives, low income housing is subsidized by the government. You mainly only find it in the larger cities.  However, at least there is enough housing there so that no one needs to be homeless.

We have a huge senior housing community in nearby Lake Oswego. The property is owned by the Catholic Church. It offers multiple levels of senior housing, everything from small 2 and 3 bedroom "villas" for completely independent living to a huge senior care facility (nursing home). But none of this is cheap. I can barely afford to buy in there. https://maryswoods.org/?gclid=Cj0KCQjw9IX4BRCcARIsAOD2OB1l0alULKq2KwRU4MgSU-cGOzKaM-Nyfq92S3LpoVHojJoTAqNgRskaAjv6EALw_wcB

It is not a race issue, it is an affordability issue. You are implying it is only people of color who are low income. That's racist.

Prime,
It's very much a race issue.  Pricing minorities out of your town is how it's done.
Your town has intentionally kept lower income folks out by preventing the entrance of businesses that provide jobs for such people. 
No doubt your town board has been approached about low income housing in the past but has either nixed the idea outright or paid other towns in your state to take these developments.  It's a common practice in many states.
I'm not talking about senior housing.  I'm talking housing for poor people who are generally minorities, blacks and latinos.
Keeping out low income people is very discriminatory.  Low income people tend be minorities. 
You live in a racist town.  By living there you are supporting racism.  It's subtle but real.
NIMBY.  Not-in-my-backyard.
Libs love to tout their acceptance of minorities but when it comes down to having them move into their towns they show how liberal they really are...NOT.

[Body-Buildah]

Libs love to tout their acceptance of minorities but when it comes down to having them move into their towns they show how liberal they really are...NOT.

trying to talk sensible with a kunt like prime is a waste of time, real demtard we have here
why doesnt he open his place for homeless blacks to crash at his pad with his grand-kids and family? they'll be safe right?
why doesnt the 70+ year old perv get off getbig and go out each day to support and feed the homeless blacks? rather than push the work of the libtard here?
its all talk.nothing more
the creepy soggy pervy fukkah

[Mr Anabolic]

Prime,
It's very much a race issue.  Pricing minorities out of your town is how it's done.
Your town has intentionally kept lower income folks out by preventing the entrance of businesses that provide jobs for such people. 
No doubt your town board has been approached about low income housing in the past but has either nixed the idea outright or paid other towns in your state to take these developments.  It's a common practice in many states.
I'm not talking about senior housing.  I'm talking housing for poor people who are generally minorities, blacks and latinos.
Keeping out low income people is very discriminatory.  Low income people tend be minorities. 
You live in a racist town.  By living there you are supporting racism.  It's subtle but real.
NIMBY.  Not-in-my-backyard.
Libs love to tout their acceptance of minorities but when it comes down to having them move into their towns they show how liberal they really are...NOT.

Yes, yes and yes, but you're wasting your precious time trying to debate with this libtard.  Truth and facts do not matter.  They're all mentally ill.