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A US soldier in Afghanistan has shot dead 15 civilians and wounded others after entering their homes in Kandahar province, Afghan and Nato sources say.
He reportedly left his base early in the morning to attack village homes. Nine children are among the dead.
The White House said it was "deeply concerned" and Nato-led forces in Afghanistan have begun an inquiry.
Afghan President Hamid Karzai has condemned the attack and demanded an explanation from Washington.
BBC correspondents expect there could be a furious backlash when news of the attack reaches the wider public.
In Kandahar's Panjwai district, local people have reportedly gathered near the base to protest about Sunday's killings, and the US embassy is advising against travel to the area.
Anti-US sentiment is already high in Afghanistan after US soldiers burnt copies of the Koran last month.
US officials have apologised repeatedly for the incident at a Nato base in Kabul but they failed to quell a series of protests and attacks that killed at least 30 people and six US troops.
'My family dead'
The soldier has not been named but is thought to be a staff sergeant.
Quenton Sommerville
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BBC's Quentin Sommerville: "This kind of rogue event is almost unknown in Afghanistan"
He is reported to have walked off his base at around 03:00 local time (22:30 GMT Saturday) and headed to nearby villages, moving methodically from house to house.
Early reports spoke of 16 deaths but Afghan officials later said 15 had been confirmed.
"Eleven members of my family are dead," Haji Samad, an elder from Najeeban village, told AFP news agency.
Haji Sayed Jan, from Alkozai village, said: "My home was attacked and I lost four family members".
Photographs from the scene showed bodies, some of them clearly young children, placed in a vehicle under blankets.
Some reports suggested that more than one soldier was involved in the attack, and a statement by the Taliban accused Afghan security forces of playing a role.
A delegation from the provincial governor's office has arrived in the village to determine exactly what happened, a spokesman said.
The soldier - who reportedly suffered a breakdown before the attacks - is said to have handed himself over to the US military authorities after carrying out the killings.
'Intentional murders'
In a statement, Mr Karzai described the deaths in Kandahar as "intentional murders".
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"When Afghan people are killed deliberately by US forces this action is murder and terror and an unforgivable action," he said.
President Karzai has been consulting officials in Kandahar by telephone. The region is regarded as the birthplace of the Taliban.
Caitlin Hayden, a spokeswoman for the White House National Security Council, said US President Barack Obama had been briefed on the incident. She added: "We are deeply concerned by the initial reports of this incident, and are monitoring the situation closely."
Gen John R Allen, commander of the Nato-led International Security Assistance Force (Isaf), said US officials in Afghanistan would work with their Afghan counterparts to investigate what had happened.
"This deeply appalling incident in no way represents the values of Isaf and coalition troops or the abiding respect we feel for the Afghan people, he said in a statement.
General Carsten Jacobson: "A US soldier left his base in Kandahar in the middle of the night, went into the nearby village, and shot at Afghan civilians"
"I am absolutely dedicated to making sure that anyone who is found to have committed wrong-doing is held fully accountable," he added.
This is the first time Afghan civilians have been targeted by foreign soldiers in this way, the BBC's Quentin Sommerville reports from Kabul.
However, a US soldier was convicted last year on three counts of premeditated murder after leading a rogue "kill team" in Afghanistan.
Kandahar is the Taliban's spiritual heartland and is considered strategically important because of its international airport, its agricultural and industrial output and its position as one of the country's main trading hubs.
The province has seen heavy fighting between Nato and Taliban forces over the last five years.
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Mr Karzai said earlier he still expected to sign a strategic partnership with the US in the next couple of months.
He said discussions would continue on the precise role the US would play in Afghanistan after Nato handed over security responsibility to Kabul at the end of 2014.
On Friday, Kabul and Washington reached a deal to transfer US-run prisons in the country to Afghan control.
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thats what you get when every wacko can get into the military
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Can you imagine what would happen if a Muslim had walked into homes in new york or London and shot 20 white adults and children last night?
They would have been branded terrorist scum.
Just as well we have one rule for them and another for us ;D
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Response from Government: Nothing to see here folks! Eh, hem, Ah, 9/11 & terrorism and all that, yeah, that's right, they're the bad guys, the're evil - how dare the Iraqis resist our forced occupation leading to 1/4 million civilian deaths - don't these stupid Iraqis know that we are killing them for their own good. These fucking IRAQIS just don't seem to get it! Dumb Towelheads, well, I guess will have to kill some more Iraqis until they understand that we are killing for peace, yeah I know its a paradox and complete evil to justify peace with war, but god dammit we love to kill and blow shit up, and who is the rest of the world to say anything. If they don't like it, they can go live on another planet!
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they been at war for too long, some troops have done 10 tours or more by now, they need to get out of there, wasn't Obama suppose to bring the troops home no more than a year after taking office?
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hes a terrorist
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they been at war for too long, some troops have done 10 tours or more by now, they need to get out of there, wasn't Obama suppose to bring the troops home no more than a year after taking office?
I am amazed that people still believe and trust their President - it is testament to the high levels of brain washing created by the curriculum - Very powerful stuff, remove children from their parents, I am always amazed that parents willingly hand over their children to an obvious elitist system, but anyway, people do, but I digress, the government then fills their impressionable minds full of BS so that they grow up and wonder why The President lied for the millionth time and yet do nothing about it! Amazing stuff Propaganda!
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I am amazed that people still believe and trust their President - it is testament to the high levels of brain washing created by the curriculum - Very powerful stuff, remove children from their parents, I am always amazed that parents willingly hand over their children to an obvious elitist system, but anyway, people do, but I digress, the government then fills their impressionable minds full of BS so that they grow up and wonder why The President lied for the millionth time and yet do nothing about it! Amazing stuff Propaganda!
I fully agree
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Time to get out of there. Don't give him to the locals though! Fuck that.
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I am amazed that people still believe and trust their President - it is testament to the high levels of brain washing created by the curriculum - Very powerful stuff, remove children from their parents, I am always amazed that parents willingly hand over their children to an obvious elitist system, but anyway, people do, but I digress, the government then fills their impressionable minds full of BS so that they grow up and wonder why The President lied for the millionth time and yet do nothing about it! Amazing stuff Propaganda!
"Scientific societies are as yet in their infancy. . . . It is to be expected that advances in physiology and psychology will give governments much more control over individual mentality than they now have even in totalitarian countries. Fitche laid it down that education should aim at destroying free will, so that, after pupils have left school, they shall be incapable, throughout the rest of their lives, of thinking or acting otherwise than as their schoolmasters would have wished. . . . Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age, to produce the sort of character and the sort of beliefs that the authorities consider desirable, and any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible. . . .”----Bertrand Russell,1953
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Obama should remind the Afghans that something like this happens almost every other week in America
This is just a taste of freedom that we enjoy in our country
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Sick fuckker!
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well at least the 9 children wont grow up to be stoned to death for being Emo's. they can at least thank the US for that.
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Time to get out of there. Don't give him to the locals though! Fuck that.
why not, give him to the locals, unarmed with just pants and a t shirt, let them handle their business anyway they want to, he is a terrorist of the worst kind.
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Invading army of peace.
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thats what you get when every wacko can get into the military
I was in the military and you couldn't even imagine the number of wackos the military attracts. Sadder still is a lot of these people seek out positions of authority such as police officer after serving.
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I was in the military and you couldn't even imagine the number of wackos the military attracts. Sadder still is a lot of these people seek out positions of authority such as police officer after serving.
Good thing departments look for that and try an weed them out..
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Excellent news. Kill more of those greasy bastards and then we can leave that sewer.
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Excellent news. Kill more of those greasy bastards and then we can leave that sewer.
Really? Really? Children? You're talking like a dead man walking. Be careful what you wish for upon others, especially children. Calm down, grow up will ya.
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what can you expect from animals.
Very sad. Innocent civilians... especially those poor children :'(
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why not, give him to the locals, unarmed with just pants and a t shirt, let them handle their business anyway they want to, he is a terrorist of the worst kind.
I disagree with you on many points, this is not one of them. I am for spreading some democracy, and think us being there is/was a good thing. That being said, he should be tried by the local govt and done whatever they deem necessary to him.
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hes a terrorist
Absolutely.
Killing civilians is always an act to strictly condemn.
Only the biggest cowards get this low.
Fukin' shitpant would cry for his mom if he ever faced a true opponent on real battlefield. Probably would run home if he was ever put in real war.
It's so easy to kill shepherds armed with brutal chinese replica-ak's that these wackos eventually start to believe they are gods !!!
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I was in the military and you couldn't even imagine the number of wackos the military attracts. Sadder still is a lot of these people seek out positions of authority such as police officer after serving.
Lol when you realize that the military is made up of the craziest 10 percent of the pop, and then add years of combat its really no surprise.
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And....? ???
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Situations getting worsen!
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In before someone asks "how do we know the children didn't make an aggressive move first?"..
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Situations getting worsen!
Are you supporting what your idols do, MC ?
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they shouldn't let him get away with life in some US hospital for the crazies.
they should hang him in the streets of kabul. He did the crime there not as a US soldier, but as an AWOL rogue killing machine. hang him. Or stone him, better yet. If soe putz walked off their US embassy and off'd 20 americans in their bed, his ass would meet old sparky.
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Are you supporting what your idols he do, MC ?
No,
Afghanistan situation is very complicated now.
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in Iraq ::)
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15 less terrorist scum to worry about
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No,
Afghanistan situation is very complicated now.
Nothing complicated there.
Afghanistan just is impossible to control completely.
You can kill millions of them, push 1/3 of the population to leave their homes, hammer the country to atoms........ Or you can pump 100's of billions of dollars in the country and try more sophisticated methods....
I hope after this massive decade-long fail everyone has tried and we can leave them live by themselves.
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Nothing complicated there.
Afghanistan just is impossible to control completely.
You can kill millions of them, push 1/3 of the population to leave their homes, hammer the country to atoms........ Or you can pump 100's of billions of dollars in the country and try more sophisticated methods....
I hope after this massive decade-long fail everyone has tried and we can leave them live by themselves.
agree
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Religion of peace.
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in Iraq ::)
Seems spot on to me.
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they been at war for too long, some troops have done 10 tours or more by now, they need to get out of there, wasn't Obama suppose to bring the troops home no more than a year after taking office?
yeah and what happened to closing gitmo?
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Good news. The death toll is now up from 15 to 16! Nice shooting Marine.
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he should be given the medal of honor for giving those towel heads a taste of there own medicine: terror
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A US soldier in Afghanistan has shot dead 15 civilians and wounded others after entering their homes in Kandahar province, Afghan and Nato sources say.
He reportedly left his base early in the morning to attack village homes. Nine children are among the dead.
The White House said it was "deeply concerned" and Nato-led forces in Afghanistan have begun an inquiry.
Afghan President Hamid Karzai has condemned the attack and demanded an explanation from Washington.
BBC correspondents expect there could be a furious backlash when news of the attack reaches the wider public.
In Kandahar's Panjwai district, local people have reportedly gathered near the base to protest about Sunday's killings, and the US embassy is advising against travel to the area.
Anti-US sentiment is already high in Afghanistan after US soldiers burnt copies of the Koran last month.
HA HA laughing at the American government who just killed 1/2 million innocent civilians and they are appaled at a spree killing soldier HA HA - Am I the only one who sees the irony. I am sure the government is only upset he got caught and it became public, thats all!
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HA HA laughing at the American government who just killed 1/2 million innocent civilians and they are appaled at a spree killing soldier HA HA - Am I the only one who sees the irony. I am sure the government is only upset he got caught and it became public, thats all!
no such thing as an innocent arab , they are all pig dogs
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no such thing as an innocent arab , they are all pig dogs
Gee, your government has really done a number on you - I can understand you thinking Arabs are Pig Dogs, as an American, i would be upset too if for the last 50 years our government had been telling its citizens how kick ass they were and yet couldn't even defeat a bunch of 3rd world towel heads after 10 years of illegal occupation. i can see your frustration at the continuing rebellion against your illegal occupation.
I am sorry that other nationalities don't like to be illegally invaded and resist murderous military occupations - don't they know we just killed all those civilian's for there own good. When will these Arabs ever learn, that killing them is helping them and that war is peace. gee i don't know, it all seems pretty logical to me - kill = help and war = peace, how is our American point of view wrong. I will repeat again, war = peace and killing = helping - anyway, if we kill enough Arabs they will finally see we are doing it for their own good!
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Collateral damage. War is hell.
Americans have no business being there, this obviously wouldn't have happened
if we stayed home where we fucking belong.
I hope some of you are joking about killing innocents being a good thing....
not every arab is a terrorist, we know nothing about these people that were murdered.
Maybe they were scumbags, but maybe they were good people that didn't do anything
wrong.
The older I get and the more I travel, the more I realize how similar people all over the
world are. Of course cultures make things seem very different, but at the core, we are
all pretty similar. We all feel emotional pain, and we are all capable of being loving or choosing
to hate. The mentality that all Arabs are our enemies because their governments harbor
terrorists is faulty logic. I hate our president and government, does that mean I hate all
Americans? That sort of thinking is why many foreigners despise Americans now... because
they hated Bush and what our government does, and thus hate us because they have lumped
us all together as having the same values and mentality as our 'leaders'.
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It just keeps getting better. The dude attacked the killed 16 Afghani's while they were sleeping. LOL!! I hope we stay another 10 years and kill another 100,000 pigs.
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Gee, your government has really done a number on you - I can understand you thinking Arabs are Pig Dogs, as an American, i would be upset too if for the last 50 years our government had been telling its citizens how kick ass they were and yet couldn't even defeat a bunch of 3rd world towel heads after 10 years of illegal occupation. i can see your frustration at the continuing rebellion against your illegal occupation.
I am sorry that other nationalities don't like to be illegally invaded and resist murderous military occupations - don't they know we just killed all those civilian's for there own good. When will these Arabs ever learn, that killing them is helping them and that war is peace. gee i don't know, it all seems pretty logical to me - kill = help and war = peace, how is our American point of view wrong. I will repeat again, war = peace and killing = helping - anyway, if we kill enough Arabs they will finally see we are doing it for their own good!
im not an american citizen, fuck face
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Gee, your government has really done a number on you - I can understand you thinking Arabs are Pig Dogs, as an American, i would be upset too if for the last 50 years our government had been telling its citizens how kick ass they were and yet couldn't even defeat a bunch of 3rd world towel heads after 10 years of illegal occupation. i can see your frustration at the continuing rebellion against your illegal occupation.
I am sorry that other nationalities don't like to be illegally invaded and resist murderous military occupations - don't they know we just killed all those civilian's for there own good. When will these Arabs ever learn, that killing them is helping them and that war is peace. gee i don't know, it all seems pretty logical to me - kill = help and war = peace, how is our American point of view wrong. I will repeat again, war = peace and killing = helping - anyway, if we kill enough Arabs they will finally see we are doing it for their own good!
ahah good post
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It just keeps getting better. The dude attacked the killed 16 Afghani's while they were sleeping. LOL!! I hope we stay another 10 years and kill another 100,000 pigs.
so your wishing death on more American service members mostly young dying for nothing, your pretty sick in the head.
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Can't make an omelet without breaking some eggs
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this is what happens when gh15 leaves :'(
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Situations getting worsen!
so is your english ;D
just kidding
seriously
Obama gotta alota splaining to do
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Collateral damage. War is hell.
Americans have no business being there, this obviously wouldn't have happened
if we stayed home where we fucking belong.
I hope some of you are joking about killing innocents being a good thing....
not every arab is a terrorist, we know nothing about these people that were murdered.
Maybe they were scumbags, but maybe they were good people that didn't do anything
wrong.
The older I get and the more I travel, the more I realize how similar people all over the
world are. Of course cultures make things seem very different, but at the core, we are
all pretty similar. We all feel emotional pain, and we are all capable of being loving or choosing
to hate. The mentality that all Arabs are our enemies because their governments harbor
terrorists is faulty logic. I hate our president and government, does that mean I hate all
Americans? That sort of thinking is why many foreigners despise Americans now... because
they hated Bush and what our government does, and thus hate us because they have lumped
us all together as having the same values and mentality as our 'leaders'.
Great post
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I am amazed that people still believe and trust their President - it is testament to the high levels of brain washing created by the curriculum - Very powerful stuff, remove children from their parents, I am always amazed that parents willingly hand over their children to an obvious elitist system, but anyway, people do, but I digress, the government then fills their impressionable minds full of BS so that they grow up and wonder why The President lied for the millionth time and yet do nothing about it! Amazing stuff Propaganda!
Take women orientated subjects out of the equation and your posts are bang on.
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It just keeps getting better. The dude attacked the killed 16 Afghani's while they were sleeping. LOL!! I hope we stay another 10 years and kill another 100,000 pigs.
LOL, arabs probably have same mentality about 9/11 when they flew planes into the trade buildings and killed 2500 fat c**ts. All this guy got was 16afghanis
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This guy should be stoned.
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LOL, arabs probably have same mentality about 9/11 when they flew planes into the trade buildings and killed 2500 fat c**ts. All this guy got was 16afghanis
x2, check out how many people where killed in "suicide bombings".
Sad thing that women and kids got killed, but hey, shit happens.
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Why do you think there are suicide bombers.
Maybe it has something to do with 'precision bombs' that take out schools and kill innocent children.
But you fuccers forget that each child has a parent and a relatives, and they know who is responsible for murdering their children.
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Why do you think there are suicide bombers.
Maybe it has something to do with 'precision bombs' that take out schools and kill innocent children.
But you fuccers forget that each child has a parent and a relatives, and they know who is responsible for murdering their children.
Whats this got to do with Americans getting bent over a fucked in the ass on 9/11?
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Afghanistan, the "Graveyard of Empires" for sure.
Disjointed population, very low literacy rate, no real govt., no roads or any real infrastructure.....has never really had a centralized power structure, clans/warlord/small town structure, this has been forever. 10 years of nation building isn't going to change that.
After ousting the Taliban, destroying the terror networks after 9/11 we should have left, that was the mission and it was accomplished. Instead we deploy NATO forces as well and occupy the country to do...uh, stuff and things.
Bad idea.
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Whats this got to do with Americans getting bent over a fucked in the ass on 9/11?
What does Afghanistan have to do with 9/11?
The hijackers were Saudi nationals.
That's if you believe the official story.
There are rumblings now that it may have been a set up by our 'allies'.
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All slugs
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What does Afghanistan have to do with 9/11?
The hijackers were Saudi nationals.
That's if you believe the official story.
There are rumblings now that it may have been a set up by our 'allies'.
AQ's base for training was in Afghanistan, with the support of the Taliban.
dummy ::)
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AQ's base for training was in Afghanistan, with the support of the Taliban.
dummy ::)
You don't know what you're talking about idiot.
But I'm not going in to further detail.
American public gets a little smidgen of the actual truth.
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You don't know what you're talking about idiot.
But I'm not going in to further detail.
American public gets a little smidgen of the actual truth.
Please enlighten us all, oh wise one. We want to know the secrets from someone who has direct access to the actual truth.
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AQ's base for training was in Afghanistan, with the support of the Taliban.
dummy ::)
The Taliban that the American goverment virtually created? Oh...
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Gee, your government has really done a number on you - I can understand you thinking Arabs are Pig Dogs, as an American, i would be upset too if for the last 50 years our government had been telling its citizens how kick ass they were and yet couldn't even defeat a bunch of 3rd world towel heads after 10 years of illegal occupation. i can see your frustration at the continuing rebellion against your illegal occupation.
I am sorry that other nationalities don't like to be illegally invaded and resist murderous military occupations - don't they know we just killed all those civilian's for there own good. When will these Arabs ever learn, that killing them is helping them and that war is peace. gee i don't know, it all seems pretty logical to me - kill = help and war = peace, how is our American point of view wrong. I will repeat again, war = peace and killing = helping - anyway, if we kill enough Arabs they will finally see we are doing it for their own good!
Have you read "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich"?
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The Taliban that the American goverment virtually created? Oh...
Karma is a bitch, as they say.
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Response from Government: Nothing to see here folks! Eh, hem, Ah, 9/11 & terrorism and all that, yeah, that's right, they're the bad guys, the're evil - how dare the Iraqis resist our forced occupation leading to 1/4 million civilian deaths - don't these stupid Iraqis know that we are killing them for their own good. These fucking IRAQIS just don't seem to get it! Dumb Towelheads, well, I guess will have to kill some more Iraqis until they understand that we are killing for peace, yeah I know its a paradox and complete evil to justify peace with war, but god dammit we love to kill and blow shit up, and who is the rest of the world to say anything. If they don't like it, they can go live on another planet!
NO!!!!!!! I'm glad this example was brought to light. Us Americans with brains condemn this activity. He should be sentenced to death just like any other common murderer. We don't condone killing innocent people. Unlike Radical Islam who would celebrate sawing the head off of a tourist. How do you explain those videos E-Kul?
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NO!!!!!!! I'm glad this example was brought to light. Us Americans with brains condemn this activity. He should be sentenced to death just like any other common murderer. We don't condone killing innocent people. Unlike Radical Islam who would celebrate sawing the head off of a tourist. How do you explain those videos E-Kul?
I'd saw some heads off too if China started bombing us (oh--my kid's school was bombed, it's just collateral damage) and 'liberating' us.
Oh to be liberated with bombs!
If we weren't invading their country there wouldn't be any soldiers over there to kill.
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Why shouldn't we accept our liberators?
Afterall, Chinese civilization is thousands of years old compared to our short barbarian history.
If our children die, it is a small price to pay so that we may be incorporated by them.
This is 'collateral damage'. We shouldn't retaliate.
We shouldn't resort to desperate measures to stop our Chinese liberators.
What's a quarter million people?
See how dehumanizing people works?
And btw, I'm no fan of ragheads--but they are human beings.
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NO!!!!!!! I'm glad this example was brought to light. Us Americans with brains condemn this activity. He should be sentenced to death just like any other common murderer. We don't condone killing innocent people. Unlike Radical Islam who would celebrate sawing the head off of a tourist. How do you explain those videos E-Kul?
People often mistake my judgement of the Western Governments role in civilian war deaths for an acceptance of what the other side does! I hate that shit those radicals do, it's mortifying, horrifying and appalling - but the killing the arabs are doing isn't in my name - Our governments are killing people on behalf of their countrymen - I personally, don't want any part of it, I don't want their propaganda, their lies, or their blood on my hands, so like anyone else who wants to detach themselves from murderers, I protest - but seriously, who can you protest too when the people running the show are the murderers!
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This is the unfortunate consequence of war and keeping our troops there too long and for too many deployment tours. We need to get our troops out of there now and transition to special forces, special ops, surveillance and counter-terrorism.
Horrible to hear innocent people dying at the hands of our troops. But these people are subject to war and oppression for hundreds of years. They must force change internally. Much of the middle east is a real mess, blinded by religion and oppressive dictators.
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People often mistake my judgement of the Western Governments role in civilian war deaths for an acceptance of what the other side does! I hate that shit those radicals do, it's mortifying, horrifying and appalling - but the killing the arabs are doing isn't in my name - Our governments are killing people on behalf of their countrymen - I personally, don't want any part of it, I don't want their propaganda, their lies, or their blood on my hands, so like anyone else who wants to detach themselves from murderers, I protest - but seriously, who can you protest too when the people running the show are the murderers!
Whats the solution then? Close our boarders and deport anyone who is not an American citizen? What would happen if we left the middle east completely, but were still attacked by terrorists sometime in the future? We can't let things like that slide. Radical Islamists believe that you are an Infidel if you do not follow the Quran. They want to wipe all of the infidels off of this earth. There is no reasoning to these people, therefore the only option is to kill them before they kill innocent people. I believe its the job of the peaceful Muslims over there to out these terrorist fucks. stop protecting them, stop hiding them.
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This is the unfortunate consequence of war and keeping our troops there too long and for too many deployment tours. We need to get our troops out of there now and transition to special forces, special ops, surveillance and counter-terrorism.
Horrible to hear innocent people dying at the hands of our troops. But these people are subject to war and oppression for hundreds of years. They must force change internally. Much of the middle east is a real mess, blinded by religion and oppressive dictators.
Just like everywhere else then. ::)
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Whats the solution then? Close our boarders and deport anyone who is not an American citizen? What would happen if we left the middle east completely, but were still attacked by terrorists sometime in the future? We can't let things like that slide. Radical Islamists believe that you are an Infidel if you do not follow the Quran. They want to wipe all of the infidels off of this earth. There is no reasoning to these people, therefore the only option is to kill them before they kill innocent people. I believe its the job of the peaceful Muslims over there to out these terrorist fucks. stop protecting them, stop hiding them.
No...
Notice you hardly ever heard about Islamic terrorism in the 20s, 30s--before we started meddling in their affairs.
That's because (and I've heard this from the Islamics themselves) it's more about politics than religion.
Terrorist are politically motivated, because we are violating their sovereignty. Propagandist want you to believe it's all foaming mindless animals.
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Just like everywhere else then. ::)
Not when your religion requires you to kill the Infidels and start a Jihad. Christians realised this was wrong hundreds of years ago.
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Not when your religion requires you to kill the Infidels and start a Jihad. Christians realised this was wrong hundreds of years ago.
It's all the same shit, different names.
We "liberate" country's instead...
Organised religion is about control and acquisition of power and wealth.
The sheep just blindly follow and facilitate that end.
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You guys realise that there are millions of peacefull Muslims that live happily in the U.S. right? They dress how they want, they worship how they want etc..... Imagine an American walking down the street in the middle east with an American flag shirt on. How long do you think he would last?
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You guys realise that there are millions of peacefull Muslims that live happily in the U.S. right? They dress how they want, they worship how they want etc..... Imagine an American walking down the street in the middle east with an American flag shirt on. How long do you think he would last?
That's our culture. It says on the Statue of Liberty: "Give us your tired, poor, and hungry".
We're a melting pot.
I don't necessarily agree with it though. I don't like immigrants.
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That's our culture. It says on the Statue of Liberty: "Give us your tired, poor, and hungry".
We're a melting pot.
I don't necessarily agree with it though. I don't like immigrants.
So you admit that we are the more giving/forgiving culture, but at the same time imply that we are just as, if not more savage then radical muslims. We are civilized, they are not. We are Rome, they are barbarians. Even Rome had to be ruthless when pushed.
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So you admit that we are the more giving/forgiving culture, but at the same time imply that we are just as, if not more savage then radical muslims. We are civilized, they are not. We are Rome, they are barbarians. Even Rome had to be ruthless when pushed.
If you want to elicit the benefits of imperialism (the average American citizen is not eliciting any benefit from us being over there; gas prices keep rising. Only the elite are benefiting through the awarding of contracts to rebuild the infrastructure),
then you have to accept that 'barbarians' are going to fight back and retaliate (terrorism) any way they have to, since we have all the technology.
Also, I don't believe in killing and bombing people whether they're considered barbarians or not--they're still human.
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The Taliban that the American goverment virtually created? Oh...
Back this statement up by fact. The Pakistani ISI created the Taliban as a hedge against the Western backed Northern Alliance.
This kid shot the people will be tried under the UCMJ and will spend the rest of his life in Leavenworth.
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So you admit that we are the more giving/forgiving culture, but at the same time imply that we are just as, if not more savage then radical muslims. We are civilized, they are not. We are Rome, they are barbarians. Even Rome had to be ruthless when pushed.
Funny that you say that.
Rome pratically invented divide and conquer tactics. Rome was built on war and destruction.
Our society is more civilized if you are lucky enough to be born in a certain area on a map, not so much if you are not.
Our society is a consequence of great independant thinkers and a push away from religion, yet we are stillpawns for banks and industry, so it's illusion.
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Back this statement up by fact. The Pakistani ISI created the Taliban as a hedge against the Western backed Northern Alliance.
This kid shot the people will be tried under the UCMJ and will spend the rest of his life in Leavenworth.
What followed? The Clinton administration fully supported and financed the Taliban.
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Funny that you say that.
Rome pratically invented divide and conquer tactics. Rome was built on war and destruction.
Our society is more civilized if you are lucky enough to be born in a certain area on a map, not so much if you are not.
Our society is a consequence of great independant thinkers and a push away from religion, yet we are stillpawns for banks and industry, so it's illusion.
All true.
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Funny that you say that.
Rome pratically invented divide and conquer tactics. Rome was built on war and destruction.
Our society is more civilized if you are lucky enough to be born in a certain area on a map, not so much if you are not.
Our society is a consequence of great independant thinkers and a push away from religion, yet we are stillpawns for banks and industry, so it's illusion.
So was America. We are not as far removed from that era of time as people think. The fact, is that America does show restraint. We could "conquer" anyone we wanted, but choose not to. Whoever brought up Pearl Harbor had a good point. Japan had the balls to fly into America and attack us on our own soil. They got an atomic kiss for that gesture. These terrorists attacked us on our own soil as well. We have shown growth and restraint as a nation compared to the Pearl Harbor days. We could have nuked Afghanistan as well.
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I enjoy debates such as this and I do value everyones opinion on the subject.
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So was America. We are not as far removed from that era of time as people think. The fact, is that America does show restraint. We could "conquer" anyone we wanted, but choose not to. Whoever brought up Pearl Harbor had a good point. Japan had the balls to fly into America and attack us on our own soil. They got an atomic kiss for that gesture. These terrorists attacked us on our own soil as well. We have shown growth and restraint as a nation compared to the Pearl Harbor days. We could have nuked Afghanistan as well.
Conquer? By what definition? Invade country's/prop up regime's, and futher your own business interests in that region. This isn't with a view to colonising land, those days are past. America shows zero restraint in pursuit of it's own interests.
The Roosevelt administration purposfully allowed Pearl Harbor, so as to enter the war and bring on board a very reluctant populace.
I'm glad you don't find wiping out civilian city's as a result of military action against military targets too disagreeable Shiz ::)
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Conquer? By what definition? Invade country's/prop up regime's, and futher your own business interests in that region. This isn't with a view to colonising land, those days are past. America shows zero restraint in pursuit of it's own interests.
The Roosevelt administration purposfully allowed Pearl Harbor, so as to enter the war and bring on board a very reluctant populace.
I'm glad you don't find wiping out civilian city's as a result of military action against military targets too disagreeable Shiz ::)
It's interesting you say that, because that is some people's theory when it comes to Bush supposedly letting 911 happen to fuel his own agenda. I also never said that the atomic bomb was the right move. I used that example to show why I think America has grown since that time. We "could" have nuked Afghanistan, but we didn't (wisely) I wish no innocent civilians would ever be killed during war, but long gone are the days where two opposing armies would line up on a battlefield far away from the normal populace.
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No...
Notice you hardly ever heard about Islamic terrorism in the 20s, 30s--before we started meddling in their affairs.
That's because (and I've heard this from the Islamics themselves) it's more about politics than religion.
Terrorist are politically motivated, because we are violating their sovereignty. Propagandist want you to believe it's all foaming mindless animals.
good post
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So was America. We are not as far removed from that era of time as people think. The fact, is that America does show restraint. We could "conquer" anyone we wanted, but choose not to. Whoever brought up Pearl Harbor had a good point. Japan had the balls to fly into America and attack us on our own soil. They got an atomic kiss for that gesture. These terrorists attacked us on our own soil as well. We have shown growth and restraint as a nation compared to the Pearl Harbor days. We could have nuked Afghanistan as well.
lol yeah like all there power plants, telephone grids and core infrastructure ::) Really where do you plan on dropping a nuke and not kill innocent civilians there? The Taliban and Al Qaeda were spread out throughout the country side so to use a nuke there is hurting the environment and the US's wallet.
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It's interesting you say that, because that is some people's theory when it comes to Bush supposedly letting 911 happen to fuel his own agenda. I also never said that the atomic bomb was the right move. I used that example to show why I think America has grown since that time. We "could" have nuked Afghanistan, but we didn't (wisely) I wish no innocent civilians would ever be killed during war, but long gone are the days where two opposing armies would line up on a battlefield far away from the normal populace.
Ok that's cool.
Nuking Afghanistan had zero viability, that's why Afghanistan didn't get nuked. The infrastructure of the country and the Taliban isn't set up in that way.
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lol yeah like all there power plants, telephone grids and core infrastructure ::) Really where do you plan on dropping a nuke and not kill innocent civilians there? The Taliban and Al Qaeda were spread out throughout the country side so to use a nuke there is hurting the environment and the US's wallet.
What I meant was that we showed good restraint by not nuking them. Most Americans( right or wrong) were wondering if that should be an option right after 911 happened.
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What I meant was that we showed good restraint by not nuking them. Most Americans( right or wrong) were wondering if that should be an option right after 911 happened.
:) That's the point. What would you be nuking?
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Ok that's cool.
Nuking Afghanistan had zero viability, that's why Afghanistan didn't get nuked. The infrastructure of the country and the Taliban isn't set up in that way.
Just think of how far war has come since WW2 even. Back then, they just used to have air raids (bombs) dropped all over the city. They didn't care who/what was down there. War is always horrible.
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:) That's the point. What would you be nuking?
A bunch of rocks...... Maybe thats why they didn't :-\
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What followed? The Clinton administration fully supported and financed the Taliban.
I must have missed that........as we were financing the Northern alliance at the same time.
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I must have missed that........as we were financing the Northern alliance at the same time.
Divide......Conquer.
Not sure how you missed that to be honest, it's very common knowledge.
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all u.s military prescribed amphetamine, cocaine and lsd
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Divide......Conquer.
Not sure how you missed that to be honest, it's very common knowledge.
Oh is it......and your a foreign policy expert because...what. The Clinton admin wanted to begin talks with them but stopped because of their human rights record. We backed the Northern Alliance and would gain nothing "dividing and conquering"....in that part of the world. I guess you've never been.
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Oh is it......and your a foreign policy expert because...what. The Clinton admin wanted to begin talks with them but stopped because of their human rights record. We backed the Northern Alliance and would gain nothing "dividing and conquering"....in that part of the world. I guess you've never been.
I just call it how it is. Which would happen to correspond with all of the available information.
You sound invested in this and willfully ignorant.
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I'm always surprised how many Getbiggers are Field Officers. One tends to forget.
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Call what how it is.....you have zero idea what your talking about, have been called out. I'm invested only in the fact that you haven't a clue. U posted an off handed statement tht was false and now you can't defend it. Clinton did not fund the Taliban, nor did he create it. Holding talks does not equate to funding...people have a very shallow understanding of whats going on in Afghanistan currently or its history. Hey mods...move this thread.
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Call what how it is.....you have zero idea what your talking about, have been called out. I'm invested only in the fact that you haven't a clue. U posted an off handed statement tht was false and now you can't defend it. Clinton did not fund the Taliban, nor did he create it. Holding talks does not equate to funding...people have a very shallow understanding of whats going on in Afghanistan currently or its history. Hey mods...move this thread.
What are you calling out exactly? You are arguing with acknowledged fact.
End.
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End what.....prove it.
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I'm PROUD I served in Croatia and Bosnia (if the younger guys don't know they were the big conflicts BEFORE 9/11) and I really do NOT recall any of these incidents happening whatsoever. All I can think of is there must be a huge change somehow in the Army/Military as a whole, and not a good one. I guess if I'd stayed in I would know more- but it just saddens me to see these actions happening on a pretty much regular fashion.... :'(
P.S. No joke
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I'm PROUD I served in Croatia and Bosnia (if the younger guys don't know they were the big conflicts BEFORE 9/11) and I really do NOT recall any of these incidents happening whatsoever. All I can think of is there must be a huge change somehow in the Army/Military as a whole, and not a good one. I guess if I'd stayed in I would know more- but it just saddens me to see these actions happening on a pretty much regular fashion.... :'(
P.S. No joke
Another conflict we had no right to get involved in. Sold a lot of people down the river.
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So was America. We are not as far removed from that era of time as people think. The fact, is that America does show restraint. We could "conquer" anyone we wanted, but choose not to. Whoever brought up Pearl Harbor had a good point. Japan had the balls to fly into America and attack us on our own soil. They got an atomic kiss for that gesture. These terrorists attacked us on our own soil as well. We have shown growth and restraint as a nation compared to the Pearl Harbor days. We could have nuked Afghanistan as well.
Hahah, OK ;D
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Hahah, OK ;D
Oh we would make mother Russia our bitch for sure ;D
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I'm PROUD I served in Croatia and Bosnia (if the younger guys don't know they were the big conflicts BEFORE 9/11) and I really do NOT recall any of these incidents happening whatsoever. All I can think of is there must be a huge change somehow in the Army/Military as a whole, and not a good one. I guess if I'd stayed in I would know more- but it just saddens me to see these actions happening on a pretty much regular fashion.... :'(
P.S. No joke
After 12 years of war we've had surprisingly few of these things. They'll crush this kid pretty bad regardless of PTSD or anything. They said he was drunk. I was in Bosnia as welll...saw plenty of it on the other side but not with NATO forces.
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I've watched them doing this shit...its alot of work for $25 a month.
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Oh we would make mother Russia our bitch for sure ;D
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After 12 years of war we've had surprisingly few of these things. They'll crush this kid pretty bad regardless of PTSD or anything. They said he was drunk. I was in Bosnia as welll...saw plenty of it on the other side but not with NATO forces.
I watched TEARS OF THE SUN. Does that count for anything?
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After 12 years of war we've had surprisingly few of these things. They'll crush this kid pretty bad regardless of PTSD or anything. They said he was drunk. I was in Bosnia as welll...saw plenty of it on the other side but not with NATO forces.
You are military? Why am i not surprised.
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....what because you have zero first hand experience with any of this. Its ok, watch some History channel and get back to me.
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Absolutely.
Killing civilians is always an act to strictly condemn.
Only the biggest cowards get this low.
Fukin' shitpant would cry for his mom if he ever faced a true opponent on real battlefield. Probably would run home if he was ever put in real war.
Afghanistan is not a real war? Are you fucking retarded or something?
Afghanistan is as real as the somme or fighting little yellow people in the a shau valley, its just a different kind of war.
You would crack as well if you get mortared and IED'ed every day you leave the FOB and you have to watch all time were to go place your footing because you are worried all the time that some guy that was giving you tea before has a night before burried a pressure plate attached to an 500lb unexploded JDAM.
The only difference is you would have broken down crying while he had enough and went out to kill as many as possible.
And don't get me wrong by no means do I say this was right kids or grown ups.
i just hate pukes like yourself who have
A) never enjoyed military service
B) have not the faintest idea what they are talking about
C) Always ready to criticise their troops but secretly you are jealous.
You are the type of guy that tries timpress the ladies on the watercooler with your military lingo ::)
I finish this with a great poem - WW1
You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye
Who cheer when soldier lads march by,
Sneak home and pray you'll never know
The hell where youth and laughter go.
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....what because you have zero first hand experience with any of this. Its ok, watch some History channel and get back to me.
What's your first hand experiance? Met a lot of military in my life, normally the dumbasses in school, who know nothing about nothing. I doubt you know anything about any conflict you have ever been in.
Pawn.
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Mass must have missed the Sov's and what they did there.
Well douche......2 tours in Iraq, one in Afghanistan...another coming up in less then 30 days to start. 19 plus in the military and I'm an Officer so I know alot but everything I've been involved in. I've done nothing for the last year but sit in seminars and classes about Afghanistan, its culture...its history..the wars etc etc. If you really want to go down this road we can. I called you out about some stupid statement you made and you post smug answers like you know what the hell your talking about.
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Afghanistan is not a real war? Are you fucking retarded or something?
Calm down Starko dear.
Say what you want but it's pretty one-sided game.
(http://estb.msn.com/i/57/F9E3B8E81138F9399B33B47B532.jpg)
VS.
Billions and trillions of dollars worth of equipment, training etc. etc.
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Mass must have missed the Sov's and what they did there.
Well douche......2 tours in Iraq, one in Afghanistan...another coming up in less then 30 days to start. 19 plus in the military and I'm an Officer so I know alot but everything I've been involved in. I've done nothing for the last year but sit in seminars and classes about Afghanistan, its culture...its history..the wars etc etc. If you really want to go down this road we can. I called you out about some stupid statement you made and you post smug answers like you know what the hell your talking about.
Don't bother. Your whole existance is fucking worthless.
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Everytime the Taliban come out to play they get smoked. They are resiliant and won't give up, but they have nothing to offer the Afghan people. We'll just pack our shit and go home. I don't know what kind of "war" you fought in but anytime anybody shoots at you...its pretty damm real.
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I'm PROUD I served in Croatia and Bosnia (if the younger guys don't know they were the big conflicts BEFORE 9/11) and I really do NOT recall any of these incidents happening whatsoever. All I can think of is there must be a huge change somehow in the Army/Military as a whole, and not a good one. I guess if I'd stayed in I would know more- but it just saddens me to see these actions happening on a pretty much regular fashion.... :'(
P.S. No joke
mate come on its the same type of people that join the marines and the army, the grunts haven't changed, okay you got a few more gangbangers in the core now but overall its the same type of young guys and girls.
What has changed is the war in itself, wouldn't you be pissed of if your best friend was just blown up but an IEd but your top is not allowing you to return fire because he has to clear first with HQ, I have so many military friend online and offline based on the webpage and I had so many chats with so many guys coming back fucked up and they all want to talk not about what happened but how disappointed they are with the brass and the whole setup.
ITs just a fucking disgrace how these guys are supported over there - at least you knew who you enemy was, they have no idea, they all look the same and act the same.
I honest to god can understand the anger and frustration especially if you joined with the idea to do good.
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Don't bother. Your whole existance is fucking worthless.
Whats it like to know deep down inside your inferior...thats your a pussy. You can't even debate the facts can you. Your slowly melting down...1-2 posts your'll explode.
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mate come on its the same type of people that join the marines and the army, the grunts haven't changed, okay you got a few more gangbangers in the core now but overall its the same type of young guys and girls.
What has changed is the war in itself, wouldn't you be pissed of if your best friend was just blown up but an IEd but your top is not allowing you to return fire because he has to clear first with HQ, I have so many military friend online and offline based on the webpage and I had so many chats with so many guys coming back fucked up and they all want to talk not about what happened but how disappointed they are with the brass and the whole setup.
ITs just a fucking disgrace how these guys are supported over there - at least you knew who you enemy was, they have no idea, they all look the same and act the same.
I honest to god can understand the anger and frustration especially if you joined with the idea to do good.
Yeah but you can't get drunk and start smoking civilains. Still if he had PTSD brought about by traumatic brain injury...I've seen folks really messed up. This dude was an E-6. His history will come out I'm sure shortly. I hate the Afghans on a whole level worse then the Iraqi's. They suck..the whole country sucks.
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Calm down Starko dear.
Say what you want but it's pretty one-sided game.
(http://estb.msn.com/i/57/F9E3B8E81138F9399B33B47B532.jpg)
VS.
Billions and trillions of dollars worth of equipment, training etc. etc.
Lol so what are you trying to tell me with that picture, that the jawas know how to use a truck?
there have been over 900k people killed in Afghanistan so far many of them are US troops, you tell them this isn't a real war.
I hate to tell you this but
1) A smartbomb is still a bomb
2) A stealth fighter is not invisible
3) Bullets still hurt and kill
4) 500lb high explosive will still maim and kill
5) Santa Claus does not exist.
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YOu can only wish you see em piled into a truck like that.......thats a pretty easy target.
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Yeah but you can't get drunk and start smoking civilains. Still if he had PTSD brought about by traumatic brain injury...I've seen folks really messed up. This dude was an E-6. His history will come out I'm sure shortly. I hate the Afghans on a whole level worse then the Iraqi's. They suck..the whole country sucks.
i'm aware of that, all I am saying he had a reason - now I know we brush it under the table as usual but he had as much a reason as the grunts from Tiger force or the guys who went on a killing rampage in My Lai.
And we would do good to actually trying to understand why people do that - we keep sending these guys into war but than we don't actually put serious money on the once that come home were this is what we really should be interested in, understanding human nature in the worse case scenarios.
But of course Im a realist I know there ain't money for hat nor interest, whoever comes back some will hack it and some end up either shot dead by the cops or drug addicts.
Its just sad that we don't spend more time with the vets on either side.
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Whats it like to know deep down inside your inferior...thats your a pussy. You can't even debate the facts can you. Your slowly melting down...1-2 posts your'll explode.
We used to run in to guys like you when they were on leave down near my home town, never met one that could fight. Knew a few guys from senior school who joined up same thing, they used to get kicked the shit out of on a daily basis. Can't think, can't fight. Good at running around with guns playing soldier because they have nothing better to do with their lifes.
Nothing to debate, you have a flawed perspective and are willfully ignorant. End of discussion.
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YOu can only wish you see em piled into a truck like that.......thats a pretty easy target.
Oh man I have countless of videos like that lol -
One all one truck - direct hit from a hellfire - 3 get back up and walk away - video was submitted to us by somebody who worked for the US Army and they were evaluation the impact these weapons have - hellfire was build to destroy hard targets as you know, so they have fitted a mantle around the hellfire which contains a lot of pellets :D works like a charm.
www.apacheclips.com
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But of course Im a realist I know there ain't money for hat nor interest, whoever comes back some will hack it and some end up either shot dead by the cops or drug addicts.
Its just sad that we don't spend more time with the vets on either side.
It's a damn disgrace is what it is..
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The "NEW" Manchurian Candidate project was a success i see
this event will keep the terrorist plotting for revenge for another hundred years in their caves
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Everytime the Taliban come out to play they get smoked. They are resiliant and won't give up, but they have nothing to offer the Afghan people. We'll just pack our shit and go home. I don't know what kind of "war" you fought in but anytime anybody shoots at you...its pretty damm real.
No one is denying that.... Those afghans are wicked.
I'm not by any means saying I like them but their story is one of a kind in history. Never stops amazing me how they keep fighting back year after year, decade after decade.
Demons of some kind.
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War is hell - shit aka "Obama" happens like this.
It sucks - but did we have obama demanding an apology for the death resulting from the koran fiasco?
Funny too - where are the outrages when these filth kill dozens in market suicide bombs?
Kill em all - let Mohammed, pigs blood be upon him, sort em out.
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War is hell - shit aka "Obama" happens like this.
It sucks - but did we have obama demanding an apology for the death resulting from the koran fiasco?
Funny too - where are the outrages when these filth kill dozens in market suicide bombs?
Kill em all - let Mohammed, pigs blood be upon him, sort em out.
shut the fuck up with your nonsense, dude. Please just shut up.
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80% or better of all incidents and KIA have happened since the "Son of Islam" became president in 2008. Soldiers probably realize they are cannon fodder for the usurpers' warped islamo-communist agenda and are losing it.
Can't blame them at all. Sad this happened, but he is aproduct of the environment where you have a disgusting communist traitor and ghetto pofs leech like obama on hand and knee groverling over the burning of a few satanic korans.
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We used to run in to guys like you when they were on leave down near my home town, never met one that could fight. Knew a few guys from senior school who joined up same thing, they used to get kicked the shit out of on a daily basis. Can't think, can't fight. Good at running around with guns playing soldier because they have nothing better to do with their lifes.
Nothing to debate, you have a flawed perspective and are willfully ignorant. End of discussion.
Really...thats all you have. "senior school".....ur not even American are you. Another moron trying to lecture us poor dumb Americans....except you failed history and apparently can't read because there's tons of books on the subject. And why would I need to "fight"....I can dot your eye at 200 meters....really don't even need to break a sweat. Seriously, anybody who stoops to bringing in how "tough" they are in a fist fight....come on douchbag you can do better then that. I expect a few cut and paste jobs to prove your point...u even failed at that.
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No one is denying that.... Those afghans are wicked.
I'm not by any means saying I like them but their story is one of a kind in history. Never stops amazing me how they keep fighting back year after year, decade after decade.
Demons of some kind.
Yeah but they go back to living in filth again...its not like they drive the invaders out and then its the land of milk and honey. The Russians got tired after leaving the country in rubble...and these idiots fought over the rubble. They suck....and in 30 days I'll be right in the middle of them again.
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Really...thats all you have. "senior school".....ur not even American are you. Another moron trying to lecture us poor dumb Americans....except you failed history and apparently can't read because there's tons of books on the subject. And why would I need to "fight"....I can dot your eye at 200 meters....really don't even need to break a sweat. Seriously, anybody who stoops to bringing in how "tough" they are in a fist fight....come on douchbag you can do better then that. I expect a few cut and paste jobs to prove your point...u even failed at that.
Nothing about how tough i am, this is an internet forum and we are in different country's.
General observation, have only ever met very few military guys who i thought much of, very few.
Five year old girls can shoot people, bad thing about weapons. Admittance of weakness in my eyes, hypothetical or not.
I read a few books about it years ago and know the conventional wisdom on it.
I don't normally post in these type of threads, i'm not going to look for references, it doesn't interest me enough.
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Have we gotten a formal apology from SA or Afghanistan for harboring OBL, KSM, Mullah Omar, et al?
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Yeah but they go back to living in filth again...its not like they drive the invaders out and then its the land of milk and honey. The Russians got tired after leaving the country in rubble...and these idiots fought over the rubble. They suck....and in 30 days I'll be right in the middle of them again.
That's absolutely true.
I don't even know what they particularly fight for actually... Appears like they have no vision what they want themselves
You actually serve in Afghanistan?
Have you seen lot of wrecked Soviet stuff there? I've understood they left massive amount of metal there when they left ;D
Anyways, keep safe. No one wants to loose fellow Getbigger :)
Very little has changed in over 20 years
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HH6, there are those of us here that appreciate your service man. We may not always agree with decisions made by administrations but the Armed Forces are noble and necessary. Respect to anyone that has 19yrs in.
I'm sure we hear very little of what goes on there. I'm sure its a complete shit hole and most of the people are living like it is a couple hundred yrs in the past. Hope we can transition the hell out of there ASAP, just leave the special ops and counter-terrorism experts to do what they need to do.
As far as religion goes...I'm not a follower of any particular religion but if you think radical islam is compareable to modern day Christianity or Judaism, you are f-cking clueless...utopian hippie that pretends everyone is the same. Go there and find out what its like. I've spoke to lots of guys that have been there. Appreciate the freedoms we have here...and fight to keep them.
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Have we gotten a formal apology from SA or Afghanistan for harboring OBL, KSM, Mullah Omar, et al?
Here's my perspective on that... you of course are free to have yours.
I don't change my morals, ethics or personal code to match what someone else does. I don't really want my country to do it. If I or someone I am responsible for screws up, I'll admit it and apologize and work to not repeat it. Just because Bill, or Bob, or Jane doesn't act mature, doesn't mean I won't.
So while we are over there kicking their assess, if we (a soldier(s) act out of character or let it get out that we burned their holy books, then by all means.. own it and let em know we're better than that. Doesn't mean we can't still whip their ass
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Yeah but you can't get drunk and start smoking civilains. Still if he had PTSD brought about by traumatic brain injury...I've seen folks really messed up. This dude was an E-6. His history will come out I'm sure shortly. I hate the Afghans on a whole level worse then the Iraqi's. They suck..the whole country sucks.
I agreed with everything you have said up until these few sentences. Not everyone in that country is bad. Thats not the right state of mind for one of our soldiers to have.
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Obama doesnt have time for this miitary bullshit its NCAA bracket time bithes
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Obama doesnt have time for this miitary bullshit its NCAA bracket time bithes
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It really does seem that he cares more about sports then he does about politics.
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It really does seem that he cares more about sports then he does about politics.
as do 99.9% of Americans.. more proof he is American ;D
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as do 99.9% of Americans.. more proof he is American ;D
:D............... 8)
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That's absolutely true.
I don't even know what they particularly fight for actually... Appears like they have no vision what they want themselves
You actually serve in Afghanistan?
Have you seen lot of wrecked Soviet stuff there? I've understood they left massive amount of metal there when they left ;D
Anyways, keep safe. No one wants to loose fellow Getbigger :)
Very little has changed in over 20 years
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(http://static.stuff.co.nz/1313535799/779/5458779.jpg)
There is soooooo much soviet junk its not funny. Behind the military academy just outside Kabul they have these huge yards full of the stuff. I had pics at one point from my last tour. I met a Russian Afghan vet during my honeymoon...we drank for afternoon cursing the afghans,
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America should just run over the middle east imperialistic style ala 1700's and take the land and oil 8) Do these towelheads even deserve a country? Either that or get the fuck out of there.There is nothing to gain from what they are doing now. Trying to create stability or whatever to control the oil. Guess what, in a land with avg IQ of 80 there will be no stablility, no democracy, no nothing.
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I agreed with everything you have said up until these few sentences. Not everyone in that country is bad. Thats not the right state of mind for one of our soldiers to have.
Dude your avatar says it all....we try and help and they don't want the help..or it turns to shit. Neither side can win..so we're just gonna pack our crap and save the American taxpayer a few bucks.
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Dude your avatar says it all....we try and help and they don't want the help..or it turns to shit. Neither side can win..so we're just gonna pack our crap and save the American taxpayer a few bucks.
Trust me, I am down with that. We need to get the fuck out of there and let them stone themselves into oblivion. Just like Vietnam, You can't win with rats living in holes.
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there was no $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ in nuking afghanistan.
there's plenty of business in invading, setting up bases, being local for oil resources, getting dibbs on that $1 trillion worth of minerals, etc.
You irradiate the place and it's worthless. I dont ever see us nuking any place with resources.
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American soldier - Murders innocent afghan civilians
Gets life in prison
American President - Murders innocent afghan civilians
Gets the nobel peace prize
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Really...thats all you have. "senior school".....ur not even American are you. Another moron trying to lecture us poor dumb Americans....except you failed history and apparently can't read because there's tons of books on the subject. And why would I need to "fight"....I can dot your eye at 200 meters....really don't even need to break a sweat. Seriously, anybody who stoops to bringing in how "tough" they are in a fist fight....come on douchbag you can do better then that. I expect a few cut and paste jobs to prove your point...u even failed at that.
Man what is wrong with you, you are soldier, so props and respect from me and you have been places, once again props, but you were in the real world doing real things now you are being an ego drivan guy bragging on a forum, lol, no beef here but serious man tone it down a notch and act professional, 8)
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After 12 years of war we've had surprisingly few of these things. They'll crush this kid pretty bad regardless of PTSD or anything. They said he was drunk. I was in Bosnia as welll...saw plenty of it on the other side but not with NATO forces.
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We were outside of Srebrenica, saw huge atrocities by the other side- nothing from NATO. Canadian Airborne here btw.
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they been at war for too long, some troops have done 10 tours or more by now, they need to get out of there, wasn't Obama suppose to bring the troops home no more than a year after taking office?
this is your argument for a cereal murderer that goes on a spree?
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Any individual that does not see this for what it actually is is legally too dumb for this planet. The american troops are invaders and are murdering people period.
If you can justify this in your heads you are sad human beings. Make that sub-human beings.
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The US soldier accused of killing 16 villagers in Afghanistan had suffered a traumatic brain injury on an earlier tour in Iraq, according to a US official.
The army staff sergeant was seriously injured when he was in a vehicle that rolled during a tour of duty in 2010, the official revealed.
Speaking on condition of anonymity, the source said it was too early to say whether there was any link between the injury and the shooting in Afghanistan.
Fresh information about the alleged gunman emerged as US President Barack Obama insisted the incident should not be allowed to overshadow the wider Afghan mission.
"Obviously what happened this weekend was absolutely tragic and heartbreaking but when you look at what hundreds of thousands of our military personnel have achieved under enormous strain, you cannot help but be proud generally," he said.
"I think it is important for us just to make sure that we are not in Afghanistan longer than we need to be."
The alleged gunman, who apparently returned to the base and turned himself in following the shooting, is a 38-year-old staff sergeant who is married with two children, a US official told ABC News.
He is believed to have deployed to Afghanistan for what was his first tour in the country from the US army and air force's Joint Base Lewis-McChord near Tacoma in Washington state and had previously served on three tours of Iraq.
Sky's chief correspondent Stuart Ramsay said he was involved in "village stabilisation operations", in which army personnel support special forces Green Berets.
Ramsay said: "Their job is to create, in effect, an armed neighbourhood watch that work with trusted village elders."
The Pentagon has said it will not identify the soldier until charges are filed.
The Afghan parliament has demanded that he face a public trial over the shootings on Sunday.
In a statement, the lower house of parliament called the killings "brutal and inhuman" and declared "people are running out of patience over the ignorance of foreign forces".
"We seriously demand and expect that the government of the United States punish the culprits and try them in a public trial before the people of Afghanistan," it said.
The soldier allegedly opened fire on civilians during a rampage in two villages around 500m from a US base in the southern province of Kandahar.
The dead included nine children and three women. It has been claimed 11 were shot down in one house and included four girls under the age of six.
Afghan President Hamid Karzai has demanded an explanation for what he called an "assassination" that "cannot be forgiven".
The US has pledged to hold a full investigation and punish those responsible but the Pentagon has rejected calls for a trial in Afghanistan.
Spokesman George Little said there were agreements in place with the Afghan administration governing the prosecution of US troops serving in the country.
He stressed that "the United States military has very strong means to address wrongdoing", adding: "We believe that this was a lone US servicemember who was involved in this deeply tragic set of shootings. This is an isolated incident and we will pursue accountability for the alleged actions of this servicemember."
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wrong doing?????????
HE MURDERED 16 people that the GOV admitted to
US army are a bunch of murderers sent officially in a murdering spree
yes this is truth
US invades others and kills kills kills under the most ludicrous pretexts
and US citizens are SO dumb they eat up all the official reasoning
the biggest terrorists globally are THE US and all it's allies
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wrong doing?????????
HE MURDERED 16 people that the GOV admitted to
US army are a bunch of murderers sent officially in a murdering spree
yes this is truth
US invades others and kills kills kills under the most ludicrous pretexts
and US citizens are SO dumb they eat up all the official reasoning
the biggest terrorists globally are THE US and all it's allies
hopefully romania is next
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this is your argument for a cereal murderer that goes on a spree?
someone who shoots unarmed breakfast food boxes?
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Sky's chief correspondent Stuart Ramsay said he was involved in "village stabilisation operations", in which army personnel support special forces Green Berets.
Well you must admit, a dead village is pretty stable. That brain injury just modified his method of achieving the target outcome.
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His parents must be so proud.
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The US soldier accused of killing 16 villagers in Afghanistan had suffered a traumatic brain injury on an earlier tour in Iraq, according to a US official.
The army staff sergeant was seriously injured when he was in a vehicle that rolled during a tour of duty in 2010, the official revealed.
Speaking on condition of anonymity, the source said it was too early to say whether there was any link between the injury and the shooting in Afghanistan.
Fresh information about the alleged gunman emerged as US President Barack Obama insisted the incident should not be allowed to overshadow the wider Afghan mission.
"Obviously what happened this weekend was absolutely tragic and heartbreaking but when you look at what hundreds of thousands of our military personnel have achieved under enormous strain, you cannot help but be proud generally," he said.
"I think it is important for us just to make sure that we are not in Afghanistan longer than we need to be."
The alleged gunman, who apparently returned to the base and turned himself in following the shooting, is a 38-year-old staff sergeant who is married with two children, a US official told ABC News.
He is believed to have deployed to Afghanistan for what was his first tour in the country from the US army and air force's Joint Base Lewis-McChord near Tacoma in Washington state and had previously served on three tours of Iraq.
Sky's chief correspondent Stuart Ramsay said he was involved in "village stabilisation operations", in which army personnel support special forces Green Berets.
Ramsay said: "Their job is to create, in effect, an armed neighbourhood watch that work with trusted village elders."
The Pentagon has said it will not identify the soldier until charges are filed.
The Afghan parliament has demanded that he face a public trial over the shootings on Sunday.
In a statement, the lower house of parliament called the killings "brutal and inhuman" and declared "people are running out of patience over the ignorance of foreign forces".
"We seriously demand and expect that the government of the United States punish the culprits and try them in a public trial before the people of Afghanistan," it said.
The soldier allegedly opened fire on civilians during a rampage in two villages around 500m from a US base in the southern province of Kandahar.
The dead included nine children and three women. It has been claimed 11 were shot down in one house and included four girls under the age of six.
Afghan President Hamid Karzai has demanded an explanation for what he called an "assassination" that "cannot be forgiven".
The US has pledged to hold a full investigation and punish those responsible but the Pentagon has rejected calls for a trial in Afghanistan.
Spokesman George Little said there were agreements in place with the Afghan administration governing the prosecution of US troops serving in the country.
He stressed that "the United States military has very strong means to address wrongdoing", adding: "We believe that this was a lone US servicemember who was involved in this deeply tragic set of shootings. This is an isolated incident and we will pursue accountability for the alleged actions of this servicemember."
That is some deep rooted sickness, The American President used a spree killing by one of his soldiers as an opportunity to say one cant help but be proud of our forces. I got chills when he said that, could Evil be any more overt - Oh, I like the bit where he talks about the stress of his illegal occupiers, like being an Iraqi citizen in the last decade hasn't been a living nightmare! Scary people, the Yanks, Scare people indeed.
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Tuesday 3/14/2012
Obama - now back to what really matters in this world, some tuesday NCAA basketball games and Bracket choosing
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(http://www.armybase.us/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/bomb-car-afghanistan-taliban.jpg)
(http://www.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article760902.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Prime+Minister+David+Cameron+and+US+President+Barack+Obama+in+Ohio+as+they+watch+a+basketball+game)
(http://www.homepagedaily.com/uploads/20090306/8e680658-9174-4df0-bfe4-e7daeb685063/DeadAfghani.jpg)
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These last pictures speak 1000 words. What a pair of kunts
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PFC LaVena Johnson
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It makes no sense for the president to be at a meaningless basketball game. He is a true moron.
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It makes no sense for the president to be at a meaningless basketball game. He is a true moron.
;D
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messed up situation.
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;D
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;D
Where are you from E-Kul?
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PFC LaVena Johnson
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DAMN that is just wrong on so many levels, I hope the dudes who did this get their balls fed to them, then raped and shot in the head.
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;D
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Where are you from E-Kul?
Australia!
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Australia!
Shit! I figured you were from somewhere in the middle east, with your blind hatred towards the U.S. What's your beef with America?
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Shit! I figured you were from somewhere in the middle east, with your blind hatred towards the U.S. What's your beef with America?
America spawned the breed of dog that attacked him. Had they not the breed been created, the incident wouldn't have happened.
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Shit! I figured you were from somewhere in the middle east, with your blind hatred towards the U.S. What's your beef with America?
Are you serious! I cannot talk with brainwashed people - Americans are the Worlds greatest Terrorists, you dont have to look to far for evidence of this! And the average citizen, says whats your problem? And it's hard not to be dumbstruck when asked that question. How can the average American citizen sleep at night knowing that they are currently participating in the greatest Mass Murder of Innocent lives in the History of Man. Modern America will go down in (real) History as the most evil nation on Earth! There isn't another Nation that even compares to the size of EVIL America has become!
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Are you serious! I cannot talk with brainwashed people - Americans are the Worlds greatest Terrorists, you dont have to look to far for evidence of this! And the average citizen, says whats your problem? And it's hard not to be dumbstruck when asked that question. How can the average American citizen sleep at night knowing that they are currently participating in the greatest Mass Murder of Innocent lives in the History of Man. Modern America will go down in (real) History as the most evil nation on Earth! There isn't another Nation that even compares to the size of EVIL America has become!
Look, If you were an American, your viewpoint would probably be different. Truth be told, I just want our troops home (preferrably protecting our borders) I don't want anymore innocent people to die. Mass Murder? Remember on sept 11 2001 they started it. They can blame their own people for the shitstorm that fell upon them.
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Couple of days ago bunch of getbigers was bashing South America/Brazil/poor countries saying that the rape number in Poor countries are very high.
The rape statistics show that the number of rape are higher in rich countries.
US and Sweden are fighting for the second placed in rape cases.
And i almost posted an article about the rape situation in the US army.
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Look, If you were an American, your viewpoint would probably be different. Truth be told, I just want our troops home (preferrably protecting our borders) I don't want anymore innocent people to die. Mass Murder? Remember on sept 11 2001 they started it. They can blame their own people for the shitstorm that fell upon them.
Come home to what? No jobs, mental illness, domestic violence, drug abuse, etc.
That is what they look fwd to.
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Look, If you were an American, your viewpoint would probably be different. Truth be told, I just want our troops home (preferrably protecting our borders) I don't want anymore innocent people to die. Mass Murder? Remember on sept 11 2001 they started it. They can blame their own people for the shitstorm that fell upon them.
OMG! This is the reason the world is fucked right here! You are just another repeater that is so far from the truth that unfortunately for the rest of the world may never be un-brainwashed! Good Luck with believing all that! Americans are just taught to Repeat, Repeat, Repeat - never to investigate, invetigate, investigate! Stupid Americans!
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Are you serious! I cannot talk with brainwashed people - Americans are the Worlds greatest Terrorists, you dont have to look to far for evidence of this! And the average citizen, says whats your problem? And it's hard not to be dumbstruck when asked that question. How can the average American citizen sleep at night knowing that they are currently participating in the greatest Mass Murder of Innocent lives in the History of Man. Modern America will go down in (real) History as the most evil nation on Earth! There isn't another Nation that even compares to the size of EVIL America has become!
It's bigger than the Holocaust?
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OMG! This is the reason the world is fucked right here! You are just another repeater that is so far from the truth that unfortunately for the rest of the world may never be un-brainwashed! Good Luck with believing all that! Americans are just taught to Repeat, Repeat, Repeat - never to investigate, invetigate, investigate! Stupid Americans!
UMAD Bro?
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UMAD Bro?
Maybe!
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the U.S will surely hand this criminal to the afghan court..........
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gets old bro.... no president we have ever had, spends 100% of the time with their nose to the grind..
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You know what - I probably would feel a lot better if obama spent all day watching espn and playing b-ball - at least he could not keep fucking up and making things so much more disastrously worse when he actually "works" as it is.
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Maybe!
Well, personally I am someone with an obvious bias as I have been attacked by two pitbulls and had my achilles tendon severed and arm mauled and couldn't walk unassisted forces six months and still suffer psychologically from it now. I actually rarely leave the house as a result of this. It cost me about $50,000 so far out of my own pocket. I know some dogs are OK, but personally, ask any council about how many complaints that get about dogs, barking, trespassing, attacking other dogs, etc... it goes on and on. I learnt there is a judge at the local court who all they do all day long every day is handle dog offence cases, this is at a huge expense to taxpayers etc... Personally. I think dogs are smelly, ugly, loud, unintelligent creatures who are easily controlled by whoever provides a food source. I think this is why people like dogs, they feel omnipotent and all powerful in front of the dog, all just for filling a food and water bowl.
You're pathetic, I bet you collect a welfare check don't you f@ggot? Big tough guy...say hi to that fat pig of a girlfriend for me you aussiefag piece of shit. Chopper Read is more of a man then you'll ever be. This fucking scum said he respects child molesters more than pitbull owners and nobody said a thing. When you close your eyes tonight I want you to remember those dogs eating you while you screamed and how helpless you felt.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_qJT5x1eCYwE/TBfpo0BCFwI/AAAAAAAAE-Q/XtsZgR3uOtI/s1600/2.jpg)
It could happen again...
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You're pathetic, I bet you collect a welfare check don't you f@ggot? Big tough guy...say hi to that fat pig of a girlfriend for me you aussiefag piece of shit. Chopper Read is more of a man then you'll ever be. This fucking scum said he respects child molesters more than pitbull owners and nobody said a thing. When you close your eyes tonight I want you to remember those dogs eating you while you screamed and how helpless you felt.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_qJT5x1eCYwE/TBfpo0BCFwI/AAAAAAAAE-Q/XtsZgR3uOtI/s1600/2.jpg)
It could happen again...
And from left field....
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It's bigger than the Holocaust?
No such thing Carebear. Russian holocaust? now we are talking.
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thats what you get when every wacko can get into the military
I guess 4 tours in that god forsaken country will do it to you.
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I guess 4 tours in that god forsaken country will do it to you.
You have to be ready to go nuts period imho. dude probably would have snapped, and shot up his job or post office back in the states. He was a ticking timebomb.
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I wonder how many Afghani women and children Dickhunteralphabravo sniped this week.
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You're pathetic, I bet you collect a welfare check don't you f@ggot? Big tough guy...say hi to that fat pig of a girlfriend for me you aussiefag piece of shit. Chopper Read is more of a man then you'll ever be. This fucking scum said he respects child molesters more than pitbull owners and nobody said a thing. When you close your eyes tonight I want you to remember those dogs eating you while you screamed and how helpless you felt.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_qJT5x1eCYwE/TBfpo0BCFwI/AAAAAAAAE-Q/XtsZgR3uOtI/s1600/2.jpg)
It could happen again...
As a matter of fact I am financially well off and have been for years - child molesters are way more respectable individuals than Pitbull Owners - for sure - What I remember about the attack is that Two Pitbulls lost their life - and I got bragging rights of being the only man I know to survive two Pitbulls - Anyway Pedos normally keep their victims alive and physicall intact - Pitbull owners and their dogs absolutely permanately physically and mentally destroy children and their lives - Hope you can see the difference - Pedo's just want a thrill - Pitbull owners want to Kill! As you can see, both individuals are fucking sick!
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As a matter of fact I am financially well off and have been for years - child molesters are way more respectable individuals than Pitbull Owners - for sure - What I remember about the attack is that Two Pitbulls lost their life - and I got bragging rights of being the only man I know to survive two Pitbulls - Anyway Pedos normally keep their victims alive and physicall intact - Pitbull owners and their dogs absolutely permanately physically and mentally destroy children and their lives - Hope you can see the difference - Pedo's just want a thrill - Pitbull owners want to Kill! As you can see, both individuals are fucking sick!
I know you blokes aren't aware, but I am actually collecting material on Pitbull Owners and how offensive they are to victims and their families, this is for legal battles - but It always makes me smile - I think, wait until they read this one! I can honestly say, the most offesnive and hate filled people I have ever met are Pitbull Owners - definately anti human - any human being who values human life over animal life is a lost soul and in need of desperate help!
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As a matter of fact I am financially well off and have been for years - child molesters are way more respectable individuals than Pitbull Owners - for sure - What I remember about the attack is that Two Pitbulls lost their life - and I got bragging rights of being the only man I know to survive two Pitbulls - Anyway Pedos normally keep their victims alive and physicall intact - Pitbull owners and their dogs absolutely permanately physically and mentally destroy children and their lives - Hope you can see the difference - Pedo's just want a thrill - Pitbull owners want to Kill! As you can see, both individuals are fucking sick!
Way to downgrade the lifelong implications of being sexually abused as a child.
Fucking idiot.
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Way to downgrade the lifelong implications of being sexually abused as a child.
Fucking idiot.
Pedos keep their victims alive usually - Pitbulls dont - If a child is molested - this is terrible - but they are alive and unlike to suffer from the physical scars that Pitbull Victims do! Anyway, just my opinion Pedos are the scum of the earth, and Pitbull Lovers and one rung below. JMO
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Pedos keep their victims alive usually - Pitbulls dont - If a child is molested - this is terrible - but they are alive and unlike to suffer from the physical scars that Pitbull Victims do! Anyway, just my opinion Pedos are the scum of the earth, and Pitbull Lovers and one rung below. JMO
Mental scars = just as far reaching as physical scars, more so in a lot of cases.
But no, i am not a fan of fighting dogs or the complete fucktards that 99% of the time make up their owners.
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Mental scars = just as far reaching as physical scars, more so in a lot of cases.
But no, i am not a fan of fighting dogs or the complete fucktards that 99% of the time make up their owners.
To all the victims of childhood sexual abuse - I am sorry - but it could have been worse you could have been ripped apart by a Pitbull, and then you and your family would have to deal with a lifetime of Pidiots telling you that their dogs life is more important than yours, essentially child Pitbull Victims are re traumatised having to listen to all the lies that come from Pitbull Lovers Mouths! Imagine if Pedos went around telling their victims that is never happened, that they brought it on themselves, that there is no such thing as Pedos, that Pedos are misunderstood and loving people etc etc , this is what Pitbull Sympathisers do to victims - and they do it regularly and offensively - this is no secret - there was even a study done that determined that Pitbull Owners are not normal People, they are usually Misanthropists with no imagination or compassion. The propaganda and nonsense is literally sickening - this is why Pitbull Sympathisers are lower than pedos! There is support for victims of Pedophilia, but none if you are a victim of Dog Attack! My goal is to take the current acceptance of Pitbull owners and stigmatise them to the point where the average person sees them for the child killers they are - Essentially I see Pitbull sympathisers as Sponsoring Child Killing - and that is abhorrent!
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Mental scars = just as far reaching as physical scars, more so in a lot of cases.
Yeah, well you can look forward to both in a Pitbull Attack!
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Lawyer: Afghan suspect's friend had leg blown off
Associated Press ^ | March 15, 2012 | GENE JOHNSON
Posted on March 15, 2012 11:48:46 PM EDT by Free ThinkerNY
SEATTLE (AP) — The U.S. soldier accused of slaughtering 16 Afghan villagers last weekend saw his friend's leg blown off the day before the rampage, his lawyer said Thursday.
Seattle attorney John Henry Browne told The Associated Press that according to his client's family, the suspect was standing next to another U.S. soldier when that soldier was gravely injured.
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Associated Press ^ | March 15, 2012 | GENE JOHNSON
Posted on March 15, 2012 11:48:46 PM EDT by Free ThinkerNY
SEATTLE (AP) — The U.S. soldier accused of slaughtering 16 Afghan villagers last weekend saw his friend's leg blown off the day before the rampage, his lawyer said Thursday.
Seattle attorney John Henry Browne told The Associated Press that according to his client's family, the suspect was standing next to another U.S. soldier when that soldier was gravely injured.
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Translation: To the people of America, we the Government, do not truly give a fuck that some towelheads were blown away and in an attempt to justify the continuing murder of innocent people we implore you to realise that what this soldier did was in fact very necessary and justified, as those young innocent towelheads would have no doubt grown up to be terrorists anyway. So thankyou people of America, for understand and persisting with me in this very important slaughter of Innocent Civilians. Peace Out!
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this thread is one of the most interesting on here in quite a while
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Translation: To the people of America, we the Government, do not truly give a fuck that some towelheads were blown away and in an attempt to justify the continuing murder of innocent people we implore you to realise that what this soldier did was in fact very necessary and justified, as those young innocent towelheads would have no doubt grown up to be terrorists anyway. So thankyou people of America, for understand and persisting with me in this very important slaughter of Innocent Civilians. Peace Out!
You are slanted too far in the wrong direction. You say all we do is kill innocent civilians, and that we are too dumb and brainwashed to tell otherwise. Your hatred for Americans is like our "supposed" hatred for Muslims. I don't hate Muslims, I hate terrorists (that goes for all races and religions).
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I don't hate Muslims, I hate terrorists (that goes for all races and religions).
There are a lot of em in yer neck of the woods
just sayen
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You are slanted too far in the wrong direction. You say all we do is kill innocent civilians, and that we are too dumb and brainwashed to tell otherwise. Your hatred for Americans is like our "supposed" hatred for Muslims. I don't hate Muslims, I hate terrorists (that goes for all races and religions).
Yeah, but my hatred for the yanks doesn't lead to 1/4 milion civilian deaths - if you hate terrorists, then you hate your own government, the biggest terrorist of all. isn't it odd how the International Community (HAHA) haven't defined the word terrorism - because they know to do so would be to implicate themselves in the most horrendous crimes ever!
But most people would accept Terrorism to be 1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes. &
2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization. - these are fairly apt descriptions of what the USA does to the rest of the world!
It is your government that invented and perfected Modern day Terrorism - this is fact! Why do you think the USA controls the world, it isn't to hard to work out - in modern times, only the greatest terrorist can reign! and for now it just happens to be the USA - I don't support any power organization - I have always admired indigenous cultures and cultures like the Tibetans where trying to create before Violent Oppressors took over. It is only America that has this Love of war - this obsession with war - it's obsession with size and strength and dominance, its obsession with justifying its crimes, America is sickest culture on earth, but unfortunately, the Yanks will be the last to find out, as there Government keeps feeding them propaganda through curriculum keeping them ignorant of the way the rest of the world truly sees them. American Government is better at controlling and censoring its public than China Is, Chinas censorship and control is overt, Americas is shifty and sneaky, just like their leaders! China uses force, America uses Propaganda!
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Yeah, but my hatred for the yanks doesn't lead to 1/4 milion civilian deaths - if you hate terrorists, then you hate your own government, the biggest terrorist of all. isn't it odd how the International Community (HAHA) haven't defined the word terrorism - because they know to do so would be to implicate themselves in the most horrendous crimes ever!
But most people would accept Terrorism to be 1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes. &
2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization. - these are fairly apt descriptions of what the USA does to the rest of the world!
It is your government that invented and perfected Modern day Terrorism - this is fact! Why do you think the USA controls the world, it isn't to hard to work out - in modern times, only the greatest terrorist can reign! and for now it just happens to be the USA - I don't support any power organization - I have always admired indigenous cultures and cultures like the Tibetans where trying to create before Violent Oppressors took over. It is only America that has this Love of war - this obsession with war - it's obsession with size and strength and dominance, its obsession with justifying its crimes, America is sickest culture on earth, but unfortunately, the Yanks will be the last to find out, as there Government keeps feeding them propaganda through curriculum keeping them ignorant of the way the rest of the world truly sees them. American Government is better at controlling and censoring its public than China Is, Chinas censorship and control is overt, Americas is shifty and sneaky, just like their leaders! China uses force, America uses Propaganda!
Son, have you considered getting yourself an education?
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Son, have you considered getting yourself an education?
Translation: I cant stand to hear anything that goes against our beliefs or justifications for murdering whoever the fuck we want - so if you would kindly fuck off and let us get on with our murderous ways in peace, there be a good boy ! Fuck Warmongers are Ignorant!
Bullies always hate it when they are exposed, you will never see so much carry on as when Bullies are exposed! First they try and bluff and use propoganda, then they ignore their critics, and then they abuse their critics and finally they try and murder or destroy their critcs. Bullies never learn! This much is true!
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Innocent victim soldier who saw his friends die=it's ok to randomly kill women and children.
Hopefully every single retard that joins the military gets killed out in poppy land, bunch of useless non thinking pawns.
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Son, have you considered getting yourself an education?
If you dont believe me, consider listening to Noam Chomsky - he is considered perhaps the greatest Intellectual of our time - he tends to see things the same way!
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Innocent victim soldier who saw his friends die=it's ok to randomly kill women and children.
That's exactly what happened in Haditha a few years ago, and as a result everyone recently got off with zero jail time!
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This piece of shit should be handed over to the talibans.
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And seriously if USA thinks it can go around the world killing people (state terrorism) they deserve attacks on us soil. USA have absolutely no business occupying other countries.
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That's exactly what happened in Haditha a few years ago, and as a result everyone recently got off with zero jail time!
The Haditha killings and the subsequent non trials are a perfect example of why America is hated.
Hopefully their Hillbilly soldiers get targeted some more after this latest atrocity.
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The Haditha killings and the subsequent non trials are a perfect example of why America is hated.
Hopefully their Hillbilly soldiers get targeted some more after this latest atrocity.
I don't think americans would be so laissez-faire about killing innocent people around the world if their continuous criminal acts where countered (tit for tat) at home soil. That would be a kind of justice.
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The Haditha killings and the subsequent non trials are a perfect example of why America is hated.
Hopefully their Hillbilly soldiers get targeted some more after this latest atrocity.
President Response - What atrocity? Didn't you hear, the guy had a brain injury brought on suddenly by witnessing bodyparts flying through the air the previous day and went on kill spree. And as it turned out he was a hero, because intelligence showed that all the children he killed were actually Al-queda operatives and likely to be a serious threat to National Security - So I think Overall we are proud and can all agree that his actions were necessary and justified and possibly prevented another attack similar to 9/11. So thankyou Americans, for persisting in the complete denial of our alleged warcrimes and the whole time we got the biggest bomb the rest of the world can suck our disgusting, wart infested cock!
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I don't think americans would be so laissez-faire about killing innocent people around the world if their continuous criminal acts where countered (tit for tat) at home soil. That would be a kind of justice.
You guys are Idiots. This soldier obviously had a screw loose. Normal thinking people don't kill innocent people for no reason. What about that Swedish kid killer? Should I hate Sweden now? You can't let incidents such as this shape your whole opinion on an army/country. Bin Laden and his followers (terrorists) deserved to die. Actually, maybe I am on to something, maybe followers of "Radical Islam" are fucking crazy. Just as crazy as this "isolated" U.S. soldier shooting. Sane people don't strap bombs to themselves and run into a crowded area hoping to kill as many men, women, and children as possible. Just wait until some of these assholes eventually make their way down under and attack you. I bet you change your tune then.
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You guys are Idiots. This soldier obviously had a screw loose. Normal thinking people don't kill innocent people for no reason. What about that Swedish kid killer? Should I hate Sweden now? You can't let incidents such as this shape your whole opinion on an army/country. Bin Laden and his followers (terrorists) deserved to die. Actually, maybe I am on to something, maybe followers of "Radical Islam" are fucking crazy. Just as crazy as this "isolated" U.S. soldier shooting. Sane people don't strap bombs to themselves and run into a crowded area hoping to kill as many men, women, and children as possible. Just wait until some of these assholes eventually make their way down under and attack you. I bet you change your tune then.
Except the problem with your argument is the civilian death toll is almost a quarter million.
This sort of action creates terrorist and puts Americans in danger whenever we travel--and on our home turf.
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Except the problem with your argument is the civilian death toll is almost a quarter million.
This sort of action creates terrorist and puts Americans in danger whenever we travel--and on our home turf.
Victims have LONG LONG LONG LONG LONG LONG LLLOOOOOOOOOOONG Memories!
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A US soldier in Afghanistan has shot dead 15 civilians and wounded others after entering their homes in Kandahar province, Afghan and Nato sources say.
He reportedly left his base early in the morning to attack village homes. Nine children are among the dead.
The White House said it was "deeply concerned" and Nato-led forces in Afghanistan have begun an inquiry.
Afghan President Hamid Karzai has condemned the attack and demanded an explanation from Washington.
BBC correspondents expect there could be a furious backlash when news of the attack reaches the wider public.
In Kandahar's Panjwai district, local people have reportedly gathered near the base to protest about Sunday's killings, and the US embassy is advising against travel to the area.
Anti-US sentiment is already high in Afghanistan after US soldiers burnt copies of the Koran last month.
US officials have apologised repeatedly for the incident at a Nato base in Kabul but they failed to quell a series of protests and attacks that killed at least 30 people and six US troops.
'My family dead'
The soldier has not been named but is thought to be a staff sergeant.
Quenton Sommerville
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BBC's Quentin Sommerville: "This kind of rogue event is almost unknown in Afghanistan"
He is reported to have walked off his base at around 03:00 local time (22:30 GMT Saturday) and headed to nearby villages, moving methodically from house to house.
Early reports spoke of 16 deaths but Afghan officials later said 15 had been confirmed.
"Eleven members of my family are dead," Haji Samad, an elder from Najeeban village, told AFP news agency.
Haji Sayed Jan, from Alkozai village, said: "My home was attacked and I lost four family members".
Photographs from the scene showed bodies, some of them clearly young children, placed in a vehicle under blankets.
Some reports suggested that more than one soldier was involved in the attack, and a statement by the Taliban accused Afghan security forces of playing a role.
A delegation from the provincial governor's office has arrived in the village to determine exactly what happened, a spokesman said.
The soldier - who reportedly suffered a breakdown before the attacks - is said to have handed himself over to the US military authorities after carrying out the killings.
'Intentional murders'
In a statement, Mr Karzai described the deaths in Kandahar as "intentional murders".
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"When Afghan people are killed deliberately by US forces this action is murder and terror and an unforgivable action," he said.
President Karzai has been consulting officials in Kandahar by telephone. The region is regarded as the birthplace of the Taliban.
Caitlin Hayden, a spokeswoman for the White House National Security Council, said US President Barack Obama had been briefed on the incident. She added: "We are deeply concerned by the initial reports of this incident, and are monitoring the situation closely."
Gen John R Allen, commander of the Nato-led International Security Assistance Force (Isaf), said US officials in Afghanistan would work with their Afghan counterparts to investigate what had happened.
"This deeply appalling incident in no way represents the values of Isaf and coalition troops or the abiding respect we feel for the Afghan people, he said in a statement.
General Carsten Jacobson: "A US soldier left his base in Kandahar in the middle of the night, went into the nearby village, and shot at Afghan civilians"
"I am absolutely dedicated to making sure that anyone who is found to have committed wrong-doing is held fully accountable," he added.
This is the first time Afghan civilians have been targeted by foreign soldiers in this way, the BBC's Quentin Sommerville reports from Kabul.
However, a US soldier was convicted last year on three counts of premeditated murder after leading a rogue "kill team" in Afghanistan.
Kandahar is the Taliban's spiritual heartland and is considered strategically important because of its international airport, its agricultural and industrial output and its position as one of the country's main trading hubs.
The province has seen heavy fighting between Nato and Taliban forces over the last five years.
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Mr Karzai said earlier he still expected to sign a strategic partnership with the US in the next couple of months.
He said discussions would continue on the precise role the US would play in Afghanistan after Nato handed over security responsibility to Kabul at the end of 2014.
On Friday, Kabul and Washington reached a deal to transfer US-run prisons in the country to Afghan control.
Good job, well done.
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Except the problem with your argument is the civilian death toll is almost a quarter million.
This sort of action creates terrorist and puts Americans in danger whenever we travel--and on our home turf.
What is considered an innocent civilian then? There is no way we said "ah what the hell, lets kill 250,000 innocent people just for the hell of it!" It seems like innocent kids get stoned to death over there anyway. I'm sure there have been some innocent people killed. I'm curious as to where you guys come up with this 250,000 number. Who reported this info? I'm sure there were times when the Taliban took people who died from either natural causes, illness, etc..... and claimed they were from U.S. soldier attacks. Propoganda works both ways you know ;) You have to remember, innocent people died because we are in their country. Someday, if someone decides to invade New York, I bet there will be innocent people that die as well. Oh wait! I think something like that happened in 2001. If those death toll claims came from anywhere outside the U.S., then I would question it.
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If you dont believe me, consider listening to Noam Chomsky - he is considered perhaps the greatest Intellectual of our time - he tends to see things the same way!
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That's exactly my point.
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What is considered an innocent civilian then? There is no way we said "ah what the hell, lets kill 250,000 innocent people just for the hell of it!" It seems like innocent kids get stoned to death over there anyway. I'm sure there have been some innocent people killed. I'm curious as to where you guys come up with this 250,000 number. Who reported this info? I'm sure there were times when the Taliban took people who died from either natural causes, illness, etc..... and claimed they were from U.S. soldier attacks. Propoganda works both ways you know ;) You have to remember, innocent people died because we are in their country. Someday, if someone decides to invade New York, I bet there will be innocent people that die as well. Oh wait! I think something like that happened in 2001. If those death toll claims came from anywhere outside the U.S., then I would question it.
Iraq Body Count is an ongoing human security project which maintains and updates the world’s largest public database of violent civilian deaths during and since the 2003 invasion. The count encompasses non-combatants killed by military or paramilitary action and the breakdown in civil security following the invasion.
There are a documented Documented civilian deaths from violence
105,721 – 115,476
Full analysis of the WikiLeaks' Iraq War Logs
may add 13,750 civilian deaths.
*** although some sources claim twice that number
Anyway, USA has no idea who attacked The Twin Towers - the best bet is it was a false flag operation by your own government as a way of creating emotion and fear in it's citizens and leaving the US free to go to war to secure some of the Worlds Resources. HA HA and this poster thinks America is going to do an accurate and reasonable bodycount!
Only the non terrorists care enough to count Americas pile of dead bodies as a result of their Global Terrorist Campaign!
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Iraq Body Count is an ongoing human security project which maintains and updates the world’s largest public database of violent civilian deaths during and since the 2003 invasion. The count encompasses non-combatants killed by military or paramilitary action and the breakdown in civil security following the invasion.
There are a documented Documented civilian deaths from violence
105,721 – 115,476
Full analysis of the WikiLeaks' Iraq War Logs
may add 13,750 civilian deaths.
*** although some sources claim twice that number
Anyway, USA has no idea who attacked The Twin Towers - the best bet is it was a false flag operation by your own government as a way of creating emotion and fear in it's citizens and leaving the US free to go to war to secure some of the Worlds Resources. HA HA and this poster thinks America is going to do an accurate and reasonable bodycount!
Only the non terrorists care enough to count Americas pile of dead bodies as a result of their Global Terrorist Campaign!
And do you think that an outside source (that probably hates the U.S. to begin with) would do an accurate count? By all accounts we invaded Iraq to liberate the country from Saddam. The majority wanted us to overthrow that government. Remember Saddam? The same guy who murdered countless people just to test his mustard gas. Claim what you want but the U.S. does have compassion for other nations (to a fault in my opinion) Afghanistan is a joke. We made the mistake of invading a place where it's fighting force (Taliban) hides in caves, places bombs in the ground all over the place (that anyone can walk on!) They put their own people at risk by trying to hide amongst the civilians. For every innocent person that was killed, there was a soldier who hesitated, and then got killed because there was a coward with an AK hiding behind women and children claiming to be innocent. People die in war. War is not a gentleman's game.
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If you dont believe me, consider listening to Noam Chomsky - he is considered perhaps the greatest Intellectual of our time - he tends to see things the same way!
Hmm. Correction: Noam is a pubic intellectual. He is quite good at the documentation of US foreign policy, but you have to be careful with him, as he is a forthright moral relativist. Slippery slope, that.
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And do you think that an outside source (that probably hates the U.S. to begin with) would do an accurate count? By all accounts we invaded Iraq to liberate the country from Saddam. The majority wanted us to overthrow that government. Remember Saddam? The same guy who murdered countless people just to test his mustard gas. Claim what you want but the U.S. does have compassion for other nations (to a fault in my opinion) Afghanistan is a joke. We made the mistake of invading a place where it's fighting force (Taliban) hides in caves, places bombs in the ground all over the place (that anyone can walk on!) They put their own people at risk by trying to hide amongst the civilians. For every innocent person that was killed, there was a soldier who hesitated, and then got killed because there was a coward with an AK hiding behind women and children claiming to be innocent. People die in war. War is not a gentleman's game.
The crime is America has illegally invaded and then murdered hundreds of thousands of civilians and then covered it up and shamefully claimed pride in their actions, the IRAQ war was the only war of recent times were there were Protests before the Start of the war, and the protests have continued, Those who are keeping body counts are comprised of people who are allied with the States - they just want the truth to come out - so the average idiot American puts a stop to their murderous leaders. Iraqis were also blinded by propaganda, and it didn't take them long to work out the US were Terrorists, and NO I don't think they want the STATES there murdering their men, women & children all to secure some resources. Anyway, the fact you think the US is compassionate shows your deep ignorance, it is this fact, that the average American thinks they are compassionate, that makes them so EVIL! The worst EVIL always disguises itself in righteousness, all people want is the truth, but you will never hear it from an American, and those that know the truth are just shot down by the millions of brainwashed civilians. I know the truth will eventually come out, and those who supported the war will be seen as either despicable human beings or deeply brainwashed and just plain Ignorant!. THU USA are pathological and Psychotic murderers. The truth will always be the truth! And until America takes resonsibility for it's attrocities across the globe and stop pretending like they are the second coming of Christ, they will always be Hated by the rest of the world.
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We all are also forgetting something: Civillian deaths will undoubtedly be higher because of who we are fighting. Everyone over there looks the SAME! We are not fighting an professional army. The grandpa on the corner might be a Taliban general, and the nice lady offering "flowers of peace" (no pun intended) might be strapped with enough explosives to take out a whole company! We stick out like a sore thumb over there. Our soldiers probably do have an itchy trigger finger at this point. That's why we need to get the fuck out of there! I think we can all agree on that!
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The crime is America has illegally invaded and then murdered hundreds of thousands of civilians and then covered it up and shamefully claimed pride in their actions, the IRAQ war was the only war of recent times were there were Protests before the Start of the war, and the protests have continued, Those who are keeping body counts are comprised of people who are allied with the States - they just want the truth to come out - so the average idiot American puts a stop to their murderous leaders. Iraqis were also blinded by propaganda, and it didn't take them long to work out the US were Terrorists, and NO I don't think they want the STATES there murdering their men, women & children all to secure some resources. Anyway, the fact you think the US is compassionate shows your deep ignorance, it is this fact, that the average American thinks they are compassionate, that makes them so EVIL! The worst EVIL always disguises itself in righteousness, all people want is the truth, but you will never hear it from an American, and those that know the truth are just shot down by the millions of brainwashed civilians. I know the truth will eventually come out, and those who supported the war will be seen as either despicable human beings or deeply brainwashed and just plain Ignorant!. THU USA are pathological and Psychotic murderers. The truth will always be the truth! And until America takes resonsibility for it's attrocities across the globe and stop pretending like they are the second coming of Christ, they will always be Hated by the rest of the world.
This isn't just about the Middle East. What about the civil wars in Africa. Black Hawk Down? We have seen the videos of innocent people being slaughtered and burned alive on this very site. Nations ask for our help, we are the most powerful nation with the resources to help those in need. Let me guess, youll say we went to Africa just for the blood diamonds.
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If you dont believe me, consider listening to Noam Chomsky - he is considered perhaps the greatest Intellectual of our time - he tends to see things the same way!
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Anyway, USA has no idea who attacked The Twin Towers - the best bet is it was a false flag operation by your own government as a way of creating emotion and fear in it's citizens and leaving the US free to go to war to secure some of the Worlds Resources. HA HA and this poster thinks America is going to do an accurate and reasonable bodycount!
Noam on truthers
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Isn't Australia one of our Allies? What did you send to help us? Probably some Kangaroo's, a case of Nutella, and Lee Priest in a Superman outfit.
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Hmm. Correction: Noam is a pubic intellectual. He is quite good at the documentation of US foreign policy, but you have to be careful with him, as he is a forthright moral relativist. Slippery slope, that.
Well essentially "There are no absolute truths - and truth is always relative to some form of reference" - but this is why Noam is so successful - it is too dangerous to state what should be done - or what is the highest moral ground to take! but what he does do beautifully is honestly describe the way things are - which makes a refreshing change from the constant propaganda coming out of the States. The people want the truth, and guys like Noam are serving it up in good measure. It is just unfortunate the average person is educated or insightful enough to grasp where Noam is coming from - he is gently trying to urge the brainwashed zombies into action, essentially Noam just wants to spark the ordinary mans Imagination that has been squashed by their Government - Just Imagine you were the Civilians, and IRAQ was the superpower killing your friends and family in devastating and indefensible fashion. Anyway, I think the average American is deeply Cold, selfish and seems to lack even the slightest insight into the human condition - Essentially, they are a Cruel race of Human Beings! with the odd exception of say guys like Noam.
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Well essentially "There are no absolute truths - and truth is always relative to some form of reference" - but this is why Noam is so successful - it is too dangerous to state what should be done - or what is the highest moral ground to take! but what he does do beautifully is honestly describe the way things are - which makes a refreshing change from the constant propaganda coming out of the States. The people want the truth, and guys like Noam are serving it up in good measure. It is just unfortunate the average person is educated or insightful enough to grasp where Noam is coming from - he is gently trying to urge the brainwashed zombies into action, essentially Noam just wants to spark the ordinary mans Imagination that has been squashed by their Government - Just Imagine you were the Civilians, and IRAQ was the superpower killing your friends and family in devastating and indefensible fashion. Anyway, I think the average American is deeply Cold, selfish and seems to lack even the slightest insight into the human condition - Essentially, they are a Cruel race of Human Beings! with the odd exception of say guys like Noam.
You're painting all Americans with a very broad brush , lots of Americans have protested since Vietnam , called for actions against .Gov and tried to push for social change , called for impeachment of GWB for war crimes , lots of protests in the US against both wars
You're confusing .Gov with America , believe me speaking as an average America we hate the government too
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You're painting all Americans with a very broad brush , lots of Americans have protested since Vietnam , called for actions against .Gov and tried to push for social change , called for impeachment of GWB for war crimes , lots of protests in the US against both wars
You're confusing .Gov with America , believe me speaking as an average America we hate the government too
This. There is an apathy and a general ignorance in all populations in regards to such things. Some speak out, most don't. America doesn't behave differently than any other nation in a position of power unfortunately. Failings of the human condition.
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Afghanistan had a fledgling democracy with womens rights and rule of law prior to the soviet invasion in 1979. Much of what has happened since in Afghanistan, Pakistan and the frontier provinces is the direct result of superpower meddling.
Some interesting pictures from the 50's and 60's - http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2010/05/27/once_upon_a_time_in_afghanistan#1
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You're painting all Americans with a very broad brush , lots of Americans have protested since Vietnam , called for actions against .Gov and tried to push for social change , called for impeachment of GWB for war crimes , lots of protests in the US against both wars
You're confusing .Gov with America , believe me speaking as an average America we hate the government too
Fucking A!!!!
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Afghanistan had a fledgling democracy with womens rights and rule of law prior to the soviet invasion in 1979. Much of what has happened since in Afghanistan, Pakistan and the frontier provinces is the direct result of superpower meddling.
Some interesting pictures from the 50's and 60's - http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2010/05/27/once_upon_a_time_in_afghanistan#1
Read about this a few years ago.
Completely tragic.
All in the pursuit of greed and power.
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Afghanistan had a fledgling democracy with womens rights and rule of law prior to the soviet invasion in 1979. Much of what has happened since in Afghanistan, Pakistan and the frontier provinces is the direct result of superpower meddling.
Some interesting pictures from the 50's and 60's - http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2010/05/27/once_upon_a_time_in_afghanistan#1
Same thing in Iraq. It was relatively secular.
The problem is, most people aren't educated and don't realize this. Then superpowers intervene, and create a moral basis for the religious fanatics to swoop in.
People like Shizzo have a really perverse form of logic--making all manner of excuses for killing 1/4 million innocents... as if there's any sort of justification.
Before we started intervening in foreign affairs--before WWII incidents of islamic radicals attacking US soil were virtual nil. But now they've made it dangerous for us to travel. You have to say you're Canadian or some such. We need to go back to isolationism.
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Sane people don't strap bombs to themselves and run into a crowded area hoping to kill as many men, women, and children as possible. Just wait until some of these assholes eventually make their way down under and attack you. I bet you change your tune then.
How else do you fight an invading army that has robotic predator drones, 'precision' guided missiles, advanced tanks, helicopters, snipers that can blow you away from miles...
You're brainwashed.
And no, we didn't go over there to liberate anyone. We're there to protect the interest of those in power.
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I thought Obama promised that the campaigne/war in Aghanistan would be over already or thats what he said when he was running for President in 2008.
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The problem is, most people aren't educated and don't realize this.
The general public and educated? ;D
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I thought Obama promised that the campaigne/war in Aghanistan would be over already or thats what he said when he was running for President in 2008.
Yeah, he dropped the ball on that one. The lesson I took from that any many other campaign promises since I was old enough to vote was... don't believe anything they say they will do while on the campaign trail
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The Iraq War was a huge robbery that turned into robbery and mass murder. No suprise, those things happen. Yes the US should be held accountable in a war crimes trial, but we have more guns/bombs/jetfighters than everyone else so the trial will not happen.