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In a disgusting display of ignorance the Nevada State covention will choose not to reconvene and send no delegates rather than send Ron Paul delegates.
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You going to the march on July 12?
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You going to the march on July 12?
I'll be there. I figure why just bitch about something and not do anything? Some might say a march won't do a thing to change the current system but everything starts with a first step and some exposure. A march that has tens of thousends of people will bring that exposure and it sends a message to others that they are not alone in questioning a system that threw them overboard years ago. We can unite and share ideas and information. I'm travelling from the other side of the country.
You going?
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I'll be there. I figure why just bitch about something and not do anything? Some might say a march won't do a thing to change the current system but everything starts with a first step and some exposure. A march that has tens of thousends of people will bring that exposure and it sends a message to others that they are not alone in questioning a system that threw them overboard years ago. We can unite and share ideas and information. I'm travelling from the other side of the country.
You going?
I would but I don't live in the states. That said, I wish everyone good luck. America is finished but perhaps this is a sign of what will arise from the ashes.
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Yep, I'm about a little over an hour from DC. If you want to meetup, or need help finding a place to stay send me a PM and I'll get you my email address.
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I'll be there. I figure why just bitch about something and not do anything? Some might say a march won't do a thing to change the current system but everything starts with a first step and some exposure. A march that has tens of thousends of people will bring that exposure and it sends a message to others that they are not alone in questioning a system that threw them overboard years ago. We can unite and share ideas and information. I'm travelling from the other side of the country.
You going?
We ought to get some cool signs made. Think of some slogans and I can have the local graphic design place print them up for us.
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Yep, I'm about a little over an hour from DC. If you want to meetup, or need help finding a place to stay send me a PM and I'll get you my email address.
Thanks! I'll let you know how it works out for me but I think my friends and I have things worked out. Either way, I'll stay in touch and and try to hook up with one of the getbig crew! haha
I'll be posting on some of the other forums on here to see if more getbiggers would be interested in going and meeting up.
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I would but I don't live in the states. That said, I wish everyone good luck. America is finished but perhaps this is a sign of what will arise from the ashes.
Too bad. We'll try to get some other board members to fill your shoes for the REVOLUTION! ;D
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We ought to get some cool signs made. Think of some slogans and I can have the local graphic design place print them up for us.
I don't know if you've heard about this site but it's pretty informative. Lots of traffic as you can tell by the views but i think the site is having problems allowing people to log on, at least it's a good source.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/
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Can we bury this already?
RP stories are the most insignificant these days.
RP will never be anything other than what he is. At least until 2012, when he's 800 years old and running for president and losing again.
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Can we bury this already?
RP stories are the most insignificant these days.
RP will never be anything other than what he is. At least until 2012, when he's 800 years old and running for president and losing again.
Tell me about it. His supporters are still trying to manufacture news. They disrupted the Republican state convention the other day over here. Small, but vocal minority. Disproportionate number of CT nuts. That had to hurt his credibility.
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Tell me about it. His supporters are still trying to manufacture news. They disrupted the Republican state convention the other day over here. Small, but vocal minority. Disproportionate number of CT nuts. That had to hurt his credibility.
Right.. We need these people to stop "thinking" and fall back in line.
Sounds like you are enjoying that red white and blue strap-on in the ass.
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Right.. We need these people to stop "thinking" and fall back in line.
Sounds like you are enjoying that red white and blue strap-on in the ass.
Nah. Just not walking around like a delusional dummy touting a (good) man for president who never had a legitimate shot to be president and whose credibility was damaged by CT nuts.
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Nah. Just not walking around like a delusional dummy touting a (good) man for president who never had a legitimate shot to be president and whose credibility was damaged by CT nuts.
We're so irrelevant that you had to comment in this thread.
He's so irrelevant that his book went to number 1 on New York best seller list and Amazon.
We're so irrelevent that Neveda wont reconvene it's state convention just so it wont allow to send the winning Ron Paul delegates, (because we're no threat appearantly ::))
We're so irrelevant that we still get media coverage, probabaly more than ever.
Ron is so irrelavant that traders cheer his name when he questions the federal reserve chairman.
Beach Bum thinks that people who take office shouldnt have to adhere to the constitution while those of us that think they should are "CT'ers".
Beach Bum is an idiot.
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As far as this presidential race, which is what this is all about.
Ron Paul is irrelevant
As far as a voice in politics and a voice of ideas and principles: Ron Paul is relevant.
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As far as this presidential race, which is what this is all about.
Ron Paul is irrelevant
As far as a voice in politics and a voice of ideas and principles: Ron Paul is relevant.
How many times does it have to be mentioned that we don't care about putting him in the White House, we care about the ideas but how else are you going to bring attention to political ideas other than bringing them up in political situations? He happenes to be the talking head right now, who are we suppose to talk about, Clinton?
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How many times does it have to be mentioned that we don't care about putting him in the White House, we care about the ideas but how else are you going to bring attention to political ideas other than bringing them up in political situations? He happenes to be the talking head right now, who are we suppose to talk about, Clinton?
Start another party.
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Start another party.
Why should we start another party when the Republican party is our true party? We're trying to restore what its suppose to be, what it used to be.
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Why should we start another party when the Republican party is our true party? We're trying to restore what its suppose to be, what it used to be.
Republicans are scum, doesn't matter what they used to be. A new party is not a bad idea.
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Republicans are scum, doesn't matter what they used to be. A new party is not a bad idea.
Neocons arent Republicans.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=212629.0;attach=254325;image)
Nah. Just not walking around like a delusional dummy touting a (good) man for president who never had a legitimate shot to be president and whose credibility was damaged by CT nuts.
Ron Paul isn't a relevant candidate anymore.
The Ron Paul supporters are certainly relevant. You have 20 million people of all ages who know WMD was a lie, know the war is about feeding the military machine, don't trust the media, know the bigger plans of globalization, and know 911 was an inside job.
You can't deny they exist - they raised tens of millions of bucks despite no mainstream media love. And RP still wins 10 to 15% of every state, even as he's been written off by many and is mathematiclaly out of it. And you have to remember - RP got a lot more votes than Rudy did ;)
Those 20 million people were probably 200,000 people in 2004. They've grown a lot in 4 years. And no matter who wins in Nov, these 20 million people will keep sharing their beliefs with others. By the time 2012 rolls around, you're going to have 40 or 60 or 80 million people who want to vote 'none of the above' on the ballot. The Ron paul Version 2.0 is going to have a monster following.
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Neocons arent Republicans.
repub party split in 2001.
nation was 50/50, remember?
bush now has 25% approval rating, from the neoconservative people.
1/2 of repubs are now constitutionalist, isolationist, anti-war repubs.
1/2 of repubs are now neoconservatives and support war for oil, period.
The was was 51/49 in 2004.
To believe it'll be that close again, you have to believe that EVERY ONE of those 51% republicans (both neocons and constitutionalist) will stick with Mccain.
What do you think? If he loses just 2% of the vote, or 8% of the constitutionalists, then Obama wins.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=212629.0;attach=254325;image)
Ron Paul isn't a relevant candidate anymore.
The Ron Paul supporters are certainly relevant. You have 20 million people of all ages who know WMD was a lie, know the war is about feeding the military machine, don't trust the media, know the bigger plans of globalization, and know 911 was an inside job.
You can't deny they exist - they raised tens of millions of bucks despite no mainstream media love. And RP still wins 10 to 15% of every state, even as he's been written off by many and is mathematiclaly out of it. And you have to remember - RP got a lot more votes than Rudy did ;)
Those 20 million people were probably 200,000 people in 2004. They've grown a lot in 4 years. And no matter who wins in Nov, these 20 million people will keep sharing their beliefs with others. By the time 2012 rolls around, you're going to have 40 or 60 or 80 million people who want to vote 'none of the above' on the ballot. The Ron paul Version 2.0 is going to have a monster following.
The tide is turning everday little by little. Thats the problem with all these nay sayers, they think the public opinion of 300 million people is going to change overnight while being dumbed down everday in everyway. It's a miracle the message has spread this much under the circumstances, but you can never deny truth and in time more people will realize whats going on.
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The tide is turning everday little by little. Thats the problem with all these nay sayers, they think the public opinion of 300 million people is going to change overnight while being dumbed down everday in everyway. It's a miracle the message has spread this much under the circumstances, but you can never deny truth and in time more people will realize whats going on.
We are lucky to have Ron. He does not attack others and play games. He sticks to his principles and focuses on the message instead of comparing himself to other candidates.
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The tide is turning everday little by little. Thats the problem with all these nay sayers, they think the public opinion of 300 million people is going to change overnight while being dumbed down everday in everyway. It's a miracle the message has spread this much under the circumstances, but you can never deny truth and in time more people will realize whats going on.
this is why BB and others cannot deny RP has influence. Money talks. He raised a shitload of it.
It took 40 years for 80% of Americans to believe JFK was an inside job/cover up. It only took 5 years for 80% of Americans to disbelieve the official 911 story (CNN Oct 06 poll). Internet has changed everything.
Trends don't lie. Once you realize the truth about things, you don't "go back". You do, however, spread it, and the RP folks are certainly doing that.
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We're so irrelevant that you had to comment in this thread.
He's so irrelevant that his book went to number 1 on New York best seller list and Amazon.
We're so irrelevent that Neveda wont reconvene it's state convention just so it wont allow to send the winning Ron Paul delegates, (because we're no threat appearantly ::))
We're so irrelevant that we still get media coverage, probabaly more than ever.
Ron is so irrelavant that traders cheer his name when he questions the federal reserve chairman.
Beach Bum thinks that people who take office shouldnt have to adhere to the constitution while those of us that think they should are "CT'ers".
Beach Bum is an idiot.
Irrelevant meltdown. ::)
BTW, here is Ron Paul begging you CT nuts to leave him alone.
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As far as this presidential race, which is what this is all about.
Ron Paul is irrelevant
As far as a voice in politics and a voice of ideas and principles: Ron Paul is relevant.
Ding. He never had a shot to win the nomination. But give him a spot to speak at the convention, put him in someone's cabinet, etc.
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"As far as a voice in politics and a voice of ideas and principles: Ron Paul is relevant. "
Yep. Our gov needs to get back to more constitutionalism. RP's voice and ideas are needed now more than ever. The neocon republicans make me want to back away from the party too. But Obama's quasi-socialist and far left views are in vast contrast to the foundations of our country.
Some of RP's supporters are somewhat fanatical but look at some of the people who are backing Obama.
The more people that recognize RP's message, the more powerful that collective voice is in changing politics in this country. Will it happen...I don't know...but why stop trying.
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Ding. He never had a shot to win the nomination.
A lot of people didn't have a shot to win the nomination, but remain relevant.
For example....Richardson had no chance, but he might have the exposure and ability to now tip his state new mex to the repubs in the fall, which means Obama could lose both ohio AND florida, and still win the nomination.
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I'm a RP fan.
if there is anything to like about ron paul is that he isn't mainstream. If the horde is going one way you should go in the opposite direction. It's amazing how people have been molded and how passive they are.
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I don't think anyone called Ron Paul irrelevant. He simply isn't and never was a bona fide threat to win the Republican nomination for president.
I like the man and I like many of his positions on issues. I've previously outlined where I agree and disagree with him: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=192426.0
But some of the hype was just ridiculous. His inability to make any movement in the polls was blamed on a media conspiracy. His failure to perform well at debates was blamed on a media conspiracy. The lack of sufficient media coverage was blamed on a media conspiracy. These arguments now make sense, because a number of his supporters believe that "bombs hit the WTC and Pentagon" nonsense.
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FOX news kept him out of it, yet invited Fred Thompson, who had preformed more poorly than RP in every primary before then.
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FOX news kept him out of it, yet invited Fred Thompson, who had preformed more poorly than RP in every primary before then.
No, theres no attempt to shut him up there, it's just our imagination that he wasnt invited to that debate, after all he was only beating other candidates in delegates at the time. ::)
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yeah, remember how sean hannity would SCOFF whenever he mentioned RP's name?
remember when RP kept winning those online FOX debate polls ("who won?") so he accused the voters of 'stacking', but never would explain what he meant?
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Some of RP's supporters are somewhat fanatical but look at some of the people who are backing Obama.
I think it has less to do with fanatics than it has to do with urgency.
How long do we have to go through the same motions and hope for a different result? How many times do we have to have the same dirt bags in office before the nation wakes the fuck up? How many times do we have to explain the same shit over and over again until people understand that the machine running their economy isnt even a legal entity and the people making domestic and foriegn policies are corrupt criminals helping their own? How much patience can a person have?
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Bindare, I agree with ya.
I remember one debate where Ron was trying to speak and the moderator just cut him off and kept direction the questions to McCain and Romney. It was really unprofessional. He basically implied that McCain & Romney were the only relevant voices on stage.
RP isn't a strong orator...he's probably not the best leader...but many of his words/ideas are just so important in setting this country in a better direction again. We can't forget him or his constitutionalist movement. The republican and democratic parties just seem to drift farther and farther away from the middle (and reason).
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I logged in to respond to this thread.
"BB..... You are truly an ignorant dumbfvck beyond belief. You ARE whats wrong with this country.
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Bindare, I agree with ya.
I remember one debate where Ron was trying to speak and the moderator just cut him off and kept direction the questions to McCain and Romney. It was really unprofessional. He basically implied that McCain & Romney were the only relevant voices on stage.
RP isn't a strong orator...he's probably not the best leader...but many of his words/ideas are just so important in setting this country in a better direction again. We can't forget him or his constitutionalist movement. The republican and democratic parties just seem to drift farther and farther away from the middle (and reason).
That was the CNN deabate with that fuck wit Anderson Cooper, who wouldnt let RP answer a question and ignored him, yet BB thinks we imagine this stuff.
If RP was given an hour to speak like his counterparts were at that debate or any other instead of a whole 6 minutes he might have had a chance to explain himself much better. Thats the problem with the world today, everyone wants answers to complex questions in 30 seconds or less.
Other than that I agree with you.
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That was the CNN deabate with that fuck wit Anderson Cooper, who wouldnt let RP answer a question and ignored him, yet BB thinks we imagine this stuff.
If RP was given an hour to speak like his counterparts were at that debate or any other instead of a whole 6 minutes he might have had a chance to explain himself much better. Thats the problem with the world today, everyone wants answers to complex questions in 30 seconds or less.
Other than that I agree with you.
Question: Do you think there is a conspiracy among the media or by the companies that control the media to limit RP exposer so that his message doesn't get out?
Or do you think that the american people are just so numb to politics in general that they don;t care?
Or do you think that the american people are just to dumb to see the wisdom in what RP is saying?
Or do you think that the American people are conditioned by the media and political propaganda machines that they can no longer recognize good sense?
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I logged in to respond to this thread.
"BB..... You are truly an ignorant dumbfvck beyond belief. You ARE whats wrong with this country.
Are you the same person who said this?
The dollar will collapse anyway......its all planned by the UN.
So in addition to the mass Ron Paul conspiracy, we've also learned that the UN is plotting the demise of the U.S. . . . Tell me more. :)
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You have to admit RP has the charisma of a goat.
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You have to admit RP has the charisma of a goat.
Are you criticizing Ron Paul? :o
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Are you criticizing Ron Paul? :o
I was paid to say that. ;)
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I was paid to say that. ;)
Paid by the corporate media no doubt.
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Question: Do you think there is a conspiracy among the media or by the companies that control the media to limit RP exposer so that his message doesn't get out?
Or do you think that the american people are just so numb to politics in general that they don;t care?
Or do you think that the american people are just to dumb to see the wisdom in what RP is saying?
Or do you think that the American people are conditioned by the media and political propaganda machines that they can no longer recognize good sense?
It doesnt matter what i think the facts speak for themselves.
Was he or was he not invited to the Fox debate?
Which two candidates had over an hour to speak at the Regan debate and which one had 6 minutes? Look at the transcripts for yourself, I doubt you will.
Are you going to tell me that the media is always unbiased and have never had an agenda?
Heres a video of Fox News execs discussing Ron Paul supporters.
Heres a video that was censored and taken off Fox's second airing on TV, gee I wonder why they didnt show this scene on TV? Listen to the debate, nothing about the issues just constant attacks all night and stupid questions.
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Are you the same person who said this?
So in addition to the mass Ron Paul conspiracy, we've also learned that the UN is plotting the demise of the U.S. . . . Tell me more. :)
Your one to talk, you get owned with the same information you post to try and support your claims and then you back peddle and dance around the issue more than a go go dancer.
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Your one to talk, you get owned with the same information you post to try and support your claims and then you back peddle and dance around the issue more than a go go dancer.
Yawn. So what is tomorrow's conspiracy theory?
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It doesnt matter what i think the facts speak for themselves.
Was he or was he not invited to the Fox debate?
Which two candidates had over an hour to speak at the Regan debate and which one had 6 minutes? Look at the transcripts for yourself, I doubt you will.
Are you going to tell me that the media is always unbiased and have never had an agenda?
Heres a video of Fox News execs discussing Ron Paul supporters.
Heres a video that was censored and taken off Fox's second airing on TV, gee I wonder why they didnt show this scene on TV? Listen to the debate, nothing about the issues just constant attacks all night and stupid questions.
So those facts don't speak for other possible reasons?
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Yawn. So what is tomorrow's conspiracy theory?
I'm not sure but Im positive we'll question whether you have a brain or not. :)
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I'm not sure but Im positive we'll question whether you have a brain or not. :)
lol. Depends on who you talk to. :)
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I'm not sure but Im positive we'll question whether you have a brain or not. :)
If you really want to know the skinny and get an unbiased assessment ask 240
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So those facts don't speak for other possible reasons?
So, why would they censor the debate like that even after the person who asked the question said Ron Apul knocked it out of the ballpark, or maybe that WAS the reason they censored it?
Regardless, you didn't answer my question, is the media always unbiased and have they never had an agenda?
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If you really want to know the skinny and get an unbiased assessment ask 240
Hahaha! :D
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So those facts don't speak for other possible reasons?
Of course not. Has to be (another) mass conspiracy.
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Of course not. Has to be (another) mass conspiracy.
I'd love to hear your other reasons.
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So, why would they censor the debate like that even after the person who asked the question said Ron Apul knocked it out of the ballpark, or maybe that WAS the reason they censored it?
Has the media ever done that to other candidates in a debate? And was significance of the perceived censor fueled by your bias for RP?
Your reasoning seems consistent of a conspiracy theorist.
Regardless, you didn't answer my question, is the media always unbiased and have they never had an agenda?
The media has always had an agenda. Sell product. Period. If RP isn't getting the draw then out with his ass, no matter how Godly his politics seem, he is flushed like a bad soap commercial. It's the nature of the beast. Jesus Christ would get cut off and bounce he if didn't draw viewers and advertising revenue.
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Neocons arent Republicans.
Republicans...maybe if you go back to the 19th century you can start talking about Republican values; going back as far as Reagan, Republicans have routinely run up deficits, overborrowed and overspent...there are your Republicans.
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The media has always had an agenda. Sell product. Period. If RP isn't getting the draw then out with his ass, no matter how Godly his politics seem, he is flushed like a bad soap commercial. It's the nature of the beast. Jesus Christ would get cut off and bounce he if didn't draw viewers and advertising revenue.
You just proved my point, so why waste energy on a debate unless your just fine and dandy with the way the media works?
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Republicans...maybe if you go back to the 19th century you can start talking about Republican values; going back as far as Reagan, Republicans have routinely run up deficits, overborrowed and overspent...there are your Republicans.
Point taken.
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I'd love to hear your other reasons.
Presidential elections aren't just about ideas and qualifications, they're also a beauty contest. That's why Obama is about to be the Democrat nominee. He gave a good convention speech. He looks good. Sounds good (style, not substance).
I like Ron Paul. I like many of his positions (as I've stated more than once on this site). But he does not have the personality or charisma to win a presidential election. I've said this before, but he really isn't any more viable than Al Sharpton or Alan Keyes. If the media doesn't cover those people extensively, it's because those people will never be elected president.
I posted a commentary by local (ultra liberal) commentator Dan Boylan a while back, which says the same thing: personality matters. It shouldn't, but it does. http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=183794.0
In any event, Ron Paul got tons of media coverage. He shared the stage in almost every presidential debate. He was front page news on CNN and other MSM outlets more than once. He got his 15 minutes of fame.
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You just proved my point, so why waste energy on a debate unless your just fine and dandy with the way the media works?
No point to prove.
RP wasn't getting it done. He wasn't getting people to buy into his ideas and his poll numbers reflected it. So, the media, being the prudent outfits they are, focused on what would get them viewers.
What's so revealing or such an hidden agenda about this? This IS how it works.
Nothing out of the ordinary, nothing malicious unless of course, you love RP and believe everyone should feel as you do, which there is nothing wrong with that unless, you go around thinking it was some sort of deliberate conspiracy to turn the volume down on this guy because he made sense. that's not what happened. He didn't make sense to the majority of people. that's the point. That's why him and his political views are not accepted by main stream america and Barrack's is.
Sad isn't it? Charisma and communication skills win over substance. Get used to it. That's the world we live in. And if you're smart enough to have some substance and can communicate it with charisma, then my friend, you can make history.
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Sad isn't it? Charisma and communication skills win over substance. Get used to it. That's the world we live in. And if you're smart enough to have some substance and can communicate it with charisma, then my friend, you make history.
Sad for sure.
It seems that we agree with some things but have a differing opinion on what the right message is? i happen to believe his message is sound and dont have a lot of faith in the average voter to understand the issues.
For the record I knew it was a long shot for him to win but again it's what he has to say that I admire more than the man himself. Perhaps I phrased things in a manner that made it sound like him winning was more important than anything else, that wasnt what I meant.
As was already mentioned by someone else, the fact that he is not mainstream is what I like the best. Mainstream thinking is what i believe got us hooped in the first place.
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Sad for sure.
It seems that we agree with some things regarding the media but have a differing opinion on what the right message is.
For the record I knew it was a long shot for him to win but again it's what he has to say that I admire more than the man himself. Perhaps I phrased things in a manner that made it sound like him winning was more important than anything else, that wasnt what I meant.
As was already mentioned by someone else, the fact that he is not mainstream is what I like the best. Mainstream thinking is what i believe got us hooped in the first place.
Yes i agree. Most of the stuff i heard about RP i liked. I am greatly disappointed in our political system and the people of our country because here we are again, the range of our candidates for the most powerful nation in the world is so lacking just like it was in 2004 and 2000.
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Yes i agree. Most of the stuff i heard about RP i liked. I am greatly disappointed in our political system and the people of our country because here we are again, the range of our candidates for the most powerful nation in the world is so lacking just like it was in 2004 and 2000.
Do you not believe there may be some connection between Ron Pauls vocal criticisms of what caused the war, the federal reserve and other statements that could have gotten his time limited on debates and overall news coverage other than the points you made, (regarding the public not getting the message)?
for example, some people in "higher up" positions didn't want these criticisms public.
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Do you not believe there may be some connection between Ron Pauls vocal criticisms of what caused the war, the federal reserve and other statements that could have gotten his time limited on debates and overall news coverage other than the points you made, (regarding the public not getting the message)?
for example, some people in "higher up" positions didn't want these criticisms public.
There are no shortage of criticisms of the war from prominent sources.
I think you may be confusing the reasons of his limited debate time with a planned and deliberate censor of war time criticisms.
If there were no criticisms of the war from prominent sources or if criticisms we being censored in other instances then you might have something to be suspicious about. But that's not the case.
In fact his criticism of the war may be the reason his draw was so low in the polls with-in his own party. The fact is there is a large percentage of people in america (my guess would be 30%) who are stupid enough to think Iraq was necessary and applaud BUSH for invading. Most of them are republican.
What you have going there is classic conspiracy reasoning. You are isolating his criticisms of the war and his limited debate time from all other influences and circumstances and drawing a conclusion from it.
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There are no shortage of criticisms of the war from prominent sources.
I think you may be confusing the reasons of his limited debate time with a planned and deliberate censor of war time criticisms.
In fact his criticism of the war may be the reason his draw was so low in the polls with-in his own party.
Right. There has hardly been an attempt by the media to suppress criticism of the war. If anything, the opposite is true.
RP also did not show a lot of party loyalty, which may have hurt his chances. He refused to say whether or not he would support his party's nominee. Not sure if he still has that opinion.
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Right. There has hardly been an attempt by the media to suppress criticism of the war. If anything, the opposite is true.
RP also did not show a lot of party loyalty, which may have hurt his chances. He refused to say whether or not he would support his party's nominee. Not sure if he still has that opinion.
Dude you are up early. ;D
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Dude you are up early. ;D
lol. Not really. I'm up at about 4 a.m. every morning. Had to get up about an hour earlier, because I have a 6 a.m. telephone conference (Florida time). Why the heck does the world revolve around Eastern Standard Time? >:(
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There are no shortage of criticisms of the war from prominent sources.
I think you may be confusing the reasons of his limited debate time with a planned and deliberate censor of war time criticisms.
If there were no criticisms of the war from prominent sources or if criticisms we being censored in other instances then you might have something to be suspicious about. But that's not the case.
In fact his criticism of the war may be the reason his draw was so low in the polls with-in his own party. The fact is there is a large percentage of people in america (my guess would be 30%) who are stupid enough to think Iraq was necessary and applaud BUSH for invading. Most of them are republican.
What you have going there is classic conspiracy reasoning. You are isolating his criticisms of the war and his limited debate time from all other influences and circumstances and drawing a conclusion from it.
Thanks. Im not a conspiracy theororist however nothing surprises me anymore so I leave all options open. I agree with you on many points but go that little step further and thats where we disagree. Good conversation though, much better than mindless name calling which unfortunalty we all get sucked into from time to time during these debates.
You going to the march? ;D
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Thanks. Im not a conspiracy theororist however nothing surprises me anymore so I leave all options open. I agree with you on many points but go that little step further and thats where we disagree. Good conversation though, much better than mindless name calling which unfortunalty we all get sucked into from time to time during these debates.
You going to the march? ;D
I'm very guilty of things like that from time to time. ;D
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That second clip of Ron Paul at the debate is excellent. That should make people wake up and think a little...