Health bills fail to block illegals from coverage, despite Obama pledge...

[James]

Hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants could receive health care coverage from their employers under the bills winding their way through Congress, despite President Obama's explicit pledge that illegal immigrants would not benefit.

The House bill mandates, and the Senate bill strongly encourages, businesses to extend health care coverage to all employees. But the bills do not have exemptions to screen out illegal immigrants, who usually obtain jobs by using false identities and are indistinguishable from legal workers.

A rough estimate by the Center for Immigration Studies suggests that the practical effect of the mandates would be that about 1 million illegal immigrants could obtain health insurance coverage through their employers.

Democrats who wrote the House bill said that employer coverage for illegal immigrants is not intentional, but rather the outcome of people breaking the law.


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/nov/30/health-bills-fail-to-block-illegals-from-coverage/

[kcballer]

This isn't Obama's issue.  This is the employers issue.  If they are employing them and insuring them then they deserve to be taken down.  Illegal immigration wouldn't occur if companies didn't employ them.  It's a simple solution.  Don't buy from places that employ illegals. 

[Soul Crusher]

This isn't Obama's issue.  This is the employers issue.  If they are employing them and insuring them then they deserve to be taken down.  Illegal immigration wouldn't occur if companies didn't employ them.  It's a simple solution.  Don't buy from places that employ illegals. 

[shootfighter1]

We have to have harsher penalties (and real enforcement) for employers who hire illegals.  There are people in this administration that are backing off on enforcement.
I wouldn't vote for this bill unless it had a check system to rule out coverage for illegals.  I think a lot of this is about the left's ultimate agenda for universal healthcare, matter of fact I'm pretty convinced of it.

[Kazan]

This isn't Obama's issue.  This is the employers issue.  If they are employing them and insuring them then they deserve to be taken down.  Illegal immigration wouldn't occur if companies didn't employ them.  It's a simple solution.  Don't buy from places that employ illegals. 

How is this not an Obama issue? Who makes the laws? It sure as hell isn't the companies. Who is supposed to enforce the laws? Sure as hell isn't the companies. So answer me this, what good is a law if it is not enforced?

[loco]

This isn't Obama's issue.  This is the employers issue.  If they are employing them and insuring them then they deserve to be taken down.  Illegal immigration wouldn't occur if companies didn't employ them.  It's a simple solution.  Don't buy from places that employ illegals.

You better stop eating chicken and pork then:

Smithfield Foods
An immigration raid at a huge North Carolina pork-packing plant provoked protests yesterday from union officials, who said the company, Smithfield Foods, had collaborated with the authorities searching for illegal immigrants to discourage its workers from organizing...

...Mr. Bruskin, the union organizer, said Smithfield had a history of threatening immigrants with deportation if they tried to unionize. The union has organized a national campaign to discourage consumers from buying Smithfield products.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/26/us/26immig.html?_r=1


Tyson Foods Faces Suit over Illegal Workers
January 26, 2007

Tyson Foods faces a class-action lawsuit accusing the company of hiring illegal immigrants at eight U.S. plants. A similar case in 2003 ended in acquittals and plea agreements
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=7029375


Tyson Says Top Bosses Didn't Know
(AP)   Prosecutors played secret tapes Thursday of a man described as a manager at Tyson Foods arranging for the delivery of hundreds of illegal immigrants from an undercover agent posing as a smuggler.

"Hell, I put over 700 people to work," said the man on the tape, whom prosecutors identified as plant manager Robert Sanford. "I'm going to need to replace 300 or 400 people - maybe 500. I'm going to need a lot."

Tyson and three officials are charged with conspiring to smuggle illegal immigrants to work on the production lines of the company. Tyson, the country's largest meat processor, supplies about one-quarter of the nation's chickens.

Border Patrol Agent Benito Maldonado testified Thursday that he handed over eight illegal immigrants to Sanford, manager of the company's Monroe, N.C., plant, in January 1998. Court records have identified Sanford as an unindicted co-conspirator in the case.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/02/05/national/main539521.shtml

Tyson to shutter plants over immigration protest
Meat producer to close nine undisclosed plants as company expects worker shortages on day of nationwide Protest.

April 28, 2006: 12:50 PM EDT

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) - Tyson Foods Inc. said Friday it would close a number of its meat processing plants Monday in response to a planned nationwide protest by immigrant workers.

The meat processor said nine of its more than 100 plants would suspend operations for the day because of an expected lack of workers.

A nationwide series of boycotts and marches are planned for May 1 by pro-immigrant activists as part of an effort to urge Congress to grant amnesty to the estimated 11.5 to 12 million unauthorized immigrants living in the United States.

"We understand the sentiment behind the May 1st events, but we are not encouraging workers to participate in the rally," Tyson spokesman Gary Mickelson told CNN.
http://money.cnn.com/2006/04/28/news/companies/companies_boycott/index.htm

[Coach is Back!]

Did you really expect it to be anything else? He said there would be no abortion funding and BAM, there it is!!

[shootfighter1]

The administration must force our laws...and they have been lax.  We need the gov to step up and do their job of enforcement.  Enforcement in not an employer responsibility.  We must be careful or we'll end up with tons of unskilled immigrants who want benefits just as has happened in England (and many are regretting it).

[pedro01]

It is indeed amazing, that with such high unemployment in the US, something isn't being done to protect the US worker.

Or is this just Crapitalism doing it's thing once again ? After all, the illegals will work for peanuts.

[War-Horse]

It is indeed amazing, that with such high unemployment in the US, something isn't being done to protect the US worker.

Or is this just Crapitalism doing it's thing once again ? After all, the illegals will work for peanuts.

Your right.  Capitalism promotes profit above all else......it will cut off its own head to save a dime.   It will die soon.

[Soul Crusher]

Your right.  Capitalism promotes profit above all else......it will cut off its own head to save a dime.   It will die soon.

And what does socialism promote?   Capitilism is not perfect, but for all its faults, it still is the best system there is. 

[pedro01]

Actually 33 - it's not an 'either or' thing.

What needs to be done with Capitalism is that it needs to have its wings clipped. For sure, it is great to let the market decide on many things but it fails miserbly on others. Immigration is a great example of that.

The problem is in the US - you have 'either or' people. Republicans suck in the Republican line and are almost brainwashed into having the same opinions on all major issues and the Democrats are similarly brainwashed into having the opposing views.

Capitalism with a bit of common sense and restraint is the best system, not the abortion that it turned out to be in the US.

[shootfighter1]

No, this is not about an economic system.  We have laws to protect Americans from illegals being employed but they are not being enforced, thus there are little fear of penalty.  Many democrats continually vote down provisions which would enforce our existing laws.  This is fact.
Wonder how many illegals are not reporting their income too.  We are missing tax dollars from the illegal and the employer.  Enforce the damn laws.
Yes capitalism needs some regulations and laws to protect the people from unfair proactives, but it's the government's responsibility to enforce these laws.  Both administrations have been too lax on enforcement.