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Rice: "Now is time for Palestinian state"
The last time they talked like this was just before going to war with Iraq, presumably as some mode of pacifying Arabs who might be angry over the coming American invasion. Of course that kind of talk stopped immediately after the war was started and they had all the support they could manage to muster in their coalition of the massively bribed.
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My take...We told Israel that while we (the US) will deal with Iran, u will deal with allowing a Palestinian state, quickly. I this Israel is putting alot of pressure on the US to deal with the Iranian nuke threat before they do. Imagine if they could reach a deal. It would diffuse a major problem for us.
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Seems Israel has no problem getting us to do exactly what they want us to do. Israel is so far against a palestinian state, this is lip service/doublespeak for another purpose.
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if israel wasnt backed by usa, they'd have no justice trying to destroy lebanon. no justification whatsoever.
the usa media makes lebanon out to be the enemy, it's fuck pathetic
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if israel wasnt backed by usa, they'd have no justice trying to destroy lebanon. no justification whatsoever.
the usa media makes lebanon out to be the enemy, it's fuck pathetic
I think that's a fair assessment. At least in appearances it seems like we're bombarded with "Israel good, Palestine bad".
We'd all benefit if the major news outlets devoted more time to Palestinians and their plight.
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Why do we care?
Israel could nuke palestine and Iran into the stone age tomorrow. it's between them and their neighbors.
I say, let them do it.
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We as citizens care because the U.S. is an ally of Israel. The more we know about their enemies the better. The more accurate our knowledge of the situation the better.
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Why do we care?
Israel could nuke palestine and Iran into the stone age tomorrow. it's between them and their neighbors.
I say, let them do it.
well it's our tax dollars going to do it so I guess we have a right or even an obligation to care.
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well it's our tax dollars going to do it so I guess we have a right or even an obligation to care.
seriously, we arm israel to the last man
and if israel could nuke lebanon to the stone age, why haven't they came close to taking over lebanon?
when will they do it? we aren't stoping them, whats the deal?
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Isr will always get very generous US aid $.
Isr will always have our back and nuke the shit out of anyone who has the gall to attack us.
it's how the world works. If a China or Russia ever did decide to take us out, they know Isr nukes would be drilling up their ass before their birds crossed the sea.
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care to give your opinion on why israel has not seized lebanon yet?
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you cant just "seize" a nation full of people. occupying wars have a historically poor track record.
and for the record, i could care less what happens between them. Just like I don't care if australia bombs iceland, or if ireland decides to attack cuba, etc etc. I don't care. We'll find a way to profit from it, without a doubt!
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you cant just "seize" a nation full of people. occupying wars have a historically poor track record.
and for the record, i could care less what happens between them. Just like I don't care if australia bombs iceland, or if ireland decides to attack cuba, etc etc. I don't care. We'll find a way to profit from it, without a doubt!
u can't just seize em? what about if they nuke them to the stone age? lol
they've been trying for thousands of years if im correct, to seize lebanon, obviously the nukes don't play much of a factor
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u can't just seize em? what about if they nuke them to the stone age? lol
they've been trying for thousands of years if im correct, to seize lebanon, obviously the nukes don't play much of a factor
you can't nuke a country that lives right next door. Aside from those pesky downwind radiation showers, you'll have millions of glowing refugees shitting and dying on your streets in about 3 days. They'll flood the borders. You can carpet bomb them as they approach, but then the UN will have a hissy fit and you'll lose a lot of money in trade embargos.
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I highly doubt Israel would have our backs absolutely in any sort of attack. I can see them worming their way into an alliance with another nation in order to get another "pet attack dog" if they could see it as being advantageous. Israel would not do half of what it has been doing if it didn't have the 100% unquestioned backing of the US and I think many of Israel's policies do its citizenry a great disservice. Afterall, it IS the normal citizens that are most at risk from suicide bombers, assaults, and violent anti-semitism. I always thought an alliance between nations were supposed to have mutual benefits to each other, or at least an alliance based generally upon shared values, culture, and religion. Whatever advantages an alliance with Israel has given us, it certainly is lopsided comparitively to what the US has been to Israel. As for the shared backgrounds I would think we have more in common with the UK, Germany, France, Spain, and Australia. I guess the Israeli lobbying machine, the Israel-first politicians in our government, and the power of the Evangelical lobby is simply too much to overcome.
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Whats all this Lebanon crap. Do any of u guys realize we train their military or that Israeli advisors train their tankers and pilots. They go into Lebanon when Hezbollah uses area's of that country to launch rockets and other attacks. It is in the best interest of Israel to have a fully functioning Lebanese army dealing with terror groups inside that country. They, the Lebanese are caught between Israel and Syria and her proxy terror armies. Any time Syria does something, Israel counters and Lebanon suffers. It is what it is. As I've posted before, Israel acts as a huge friendly aircraft carrier for American interests inside the Middle East. Israel is a 7 minutes afterburner ride to every major capital in that region. Its in our best interest to see them survive. Itwas in our best interest during the Cold War, as they acted as another Intel arm for us against the Soviets.
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you cant just "seize" a nation full of people. occupying wars have a historically poor track record.
and for the record, i could care less what happens between them. Just like I don't care if australia bombs iceland, or if ireland decides to attack cuba, etc etc. I don't care. We'll find a way to profit from it, without a doubt!
Well you sir, are a top notch arsehole...do you have a neo-con god statue in your house that you worship? :o
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Why is that NEOCON....I don't entirely agree but considering that much of the Middle East have doine nothing but cause pain and suffering for us in the West, I think a little shake up is in order.
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I highly doubt Israel would have our backs absolutely in any sort of attack. I can see them worming their way into an alliance with another nation in order to get another "pet attack dog" if they could see it as being advantageous. Israel would not do half of what it has been doing if it didn't have the 100% unquestioned backing of the US and I think many of Israel's policies do its citizenry a great disservice. Afterall, it IS the normal citizens that are most at risk from suicide bombers, assaults, and violent anti-semitism. I always thought an alliance between nations were supposed to have mutual benefits to each other, or at least an alliance based generally upon shared values, culture, and religion. Whatever advantages an alliance with Israel has given us, it certainly is lopsided comparitively to what the US has been to Israel. As for the shared backgrounds I would think we have more in common with the UK, Germany, France, Spain, and Australia. I guess the Israeli lobbying machine, the Israel-first politicians in our government, and the power of the Evangelical lobby is simply too much to overcome.
stick to playing w your curiously named dog. leave the thinking to others . . .
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Well you sir, are a top notch arsehole...do you have a neo-con god statue in your house that you worship? :o
LOL... i'm half sarcasm in my posts.
I'm a global realist. I know that decisions are made about who to attack, and they're made based upon our needs of 5, 15, and 50 years from now. Not the next 4-year popularity contest.
So I don't take it too seriously. Countries that start wars tend to live above their means due to the great relationships their invading leads to (the govt they install is very good with contracts).
it's life, man. it's gonna happen. All we can do it watch the fireworks.
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I highly doubt Israel would have our backs absolutely in any sort of attack.
Many US leaders are half-citizenship with israel. It's by design. No one can mess with them, or us, because the other will retaliate. And yes, I do believe they would, very quickly. We give them a great deal of money every year. In return, they give us a lot of power and influence in the mid east.
it's the way it is.
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LOL... i'm half sarcasm in my posts.
I'm a global realist. I know that decisions are made about who to attack, and they're made based upon our needs of 5, 15, and 50 years from now. Not the next 4-year popularity contest.
So I don't take it too seriously. Countries that start wars tend to live above their means due to the great relationships their invading leads to (the govt they install is very good with contracts).
it's life, man. it's gonna happen. All we can do it watch the fireworks.
To some extent this is true, but trying to do something in a different way than the one which has failed us would be a worth a try...
Personally as an American expat, international American military agression puts me in greater danger. I vote for MY interests and stopping the wars and military agression IS in my interests...
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To some extent this is true, but trying to do something in a different way than the one which has failed us would be a worth a try...
Personally as an American expat, international American military agression puts me in greater danger. I vote for MY interests and stopping the wars and military agression IS in my interests...
I backed Bush 100% until 2005, when I learned about the "let it happen" nature of 911. That annoyed me for a year. Then, the more I learned, the more I realized war was required for the next 50 years of stability and that nations sometimes let small bad things happen to justify actions to stop many decade of big, bad things from happening (read: muslims stop killing each other over the koran and start working together to exploit the value of the oil under them).
So I'm kinda back on the neocon fence, with a little honesty. I'll admit I'm okay with elective wars if it means there isn't an oil shortage. And with price at record high 86 a barrel today,it's impreative that we control it.
So IMO, in response to what you said - the danger does go up a little from us starting wars (you'll have a few thousand juhadists motivated) but it beats the danger of an oil shortage in America, by a mile.
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Global terror has a much easier chance of hitting abroad then here. We're keeping the shitbags localized and focused on the Middle East. If not, they would go back to blowing up train stations and discos. Or u could pretend ur Canadian.
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Global terror has a much easier chance of hitting abroad then here. We're keeping the shitbags localized and focused on the Middle East. If not, they would go back to blowing up train stations and discos. Or u could pretend ur Canadian.
well... IMO - and you probably know more about this than I do - I think the risk of an attack here is very exaggerated intentionally to convince populace to support the war.
Yes, there are a few thousand pricks who love to blow shit up and die for the fuct up cause.
But only a small small % will every get to US soil. And the chance of being killed in a terror attack is very very small even then. So terrorism actually isn't a major worry for people here. (this all changes with state-sponsored suitcase nukes, etc - but since Bush lied about WMD and inexplicably ignored details on 911 6 weeks before - the white house credibility on the topic is blah - so who can you believe?)
Either way, I'll keep building websites and let you guys decide who needs bombed and who doesn't. I do think we caused most of the terrorism by actions SINCE 9/11. Not before. AQ in iraq would have been lynched by saddam. We all know this. The taliban had a pretty good hold on ending the drug trade in afghan before we moved in. There's a lot of BS being sold to us. And that's what annoys me most. The rudeness of it all. Just shoot us straight. When Rudy said last week that we wouldn't have invaded Iraq if they didn't have oil - I respected the man for the first time. When he said Iran wouldn't be worth our attention - a "paper dragon" - if they didn't have oil... lol... it was refreshing.
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Well I think the issue is that they do have oil, and we're not sure what they'll do. Plus we know that having nukes will not make anything they do better. Since the Taliban is now primarily funded by the Narco's and in all honesty would have had to turned to them before long anyway, without a war, that really doesn't matter.
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Whats all this Lebanon crap. Do any of u guys realize we train their military or that Israeli advisors train their tankers and pilots. They go into Lebanon when Hezbollah uses area's of that country to launch rockets and other attacks. It is in the best interest of Israel to have a fully functioning Lebanese army dealing with terror groups inside that country. They, the Lebanese are caught between Israel and Syria and her proxy terror armies. Any time Syria does something, Israel counters and Lebanon suffers. It is what it is. As I've posted before, Israel acts as a huge friendly aircraft carrier for American interests inside the Middle East. Israel is a 7 minutes afterburner ride to every major capital in that region. Its in our best interest to see them survive. Itwas in our best interest during the Cold War, as they acted as another Intel arm for us against the Soviets.
listen man, whoever brainwashed you into thinking hezbollah was some terrorist militia did a good job. the hezbollah work with lebanese army hand in hand. They are not there to instigate. They defend against israel. What makes you think they are there, untouched by the lebanese army, unaccounted for or ungoverned? Lebanon NEEDS them.
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Well I think the issue is that they do have oil, and we're not sure what they'll do. Plus we know that having nukes will not make anything they do better. Since the Taliban is now primarily funded by the Narco's and in all honesty would have had to turned to them before long anyway, without a war, that really doesn't matter.
I dont want them to have nukes either. I think it's inevitable in 20-30 years that most nations in that region will have them. With the interweb and all. So we can hit them.
Just be honest with us. Tell us it's the nukes and the oil. We'll wear our flag pins and make little songs about hanging admedijahad. Just don't pull another bs false flag and use patriotism to co-erce a vote for it.
Just be honest. We're cool with war to keep prices low. Just don't BS us :)
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I dont want them to have nukes either. I think it's inevitable in 20-30 years that most nations in that region will have them. With the interweb and all. So we can hit them.
Just be honest with us. Tell us it's the nukes and the oil. We'll wear our flag pins and make little songs about hanging admedijahad. Just don't pull another bs false flag and use patriotism to co-erce a vote for it.
Just be honest. We're cool with war to keep prices low. Just don't BS us :)
Maybe you are...don't know how many of the other Americans would be...they like be blindsided, tricked, lied to...they get off on it...
Most Americans are apathetic, complacent, ignorant and stupid...in that order...
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I dont want them to have nukes either. I think it's inevitable in 20-30 years that most nations in that region will have them. With the interweb and all. So we can hit them.
Just be honest with us. Tell us it's the nukes and the oil. We'll wear our flag pins and make little songs about hanging admedijahad. Just don't pull another bs false flag and use patriotism to co-erce a vote for it.
Just be honest. We're cool with war to keep prices low. Just don't BS us :)
240, correct me if im wrong, but you seem like a neo con yourself, your all for war, oil management by corps. etc. everything that's wrong, but everything that makes $$$$$$$$$$$$$. Now unless you were some billionare,shareholder,hedgefund vet.why would you support this? This shit only makes the rich richer, it MAY keep us safe for sometime, but why support it? it's not benefiting you in any way.
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240, correct me if im wrong, but you seem like a neo con yourself, your all for war, oil management by corps. etc. everything that's wrong, but everything that makes $$$$$$$$$$$$$. Now unless you were some billionare,shareholder,hedgefund vet.why would you support this? This shit only makes the rich richer, it MAY keep us safe for sometime, but why support it? it's not benefiting you in any way.
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The guy is a neo-con! He just admitted it!
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240, correct me if im wrong, but you seem like a neo con yourself, your all for war, oil management by corps. etc. everything that's wrong, but everything that makes $$$$$$$$$$$$$. Now unless you were some billionare,shareholder,hedgefund vet.why would you support this? This shit only makes the rich richer, it MAY keep us safe for sometime, but why support it? it's not benefiting you in any way.
I'm not a neocon. Cause they lie. but I am okay with american imperialism to maintain a way of life we have - which is by definition unsustainable, as we lose more competitive advantages every day.
My thinking is that 1) a shitstorm will eventually come (recession or depression)
OR
2) The US will re-gain competitive advantages.
One of the two is inevitable. If we walk away from mid east, then #1 happens in 15 years without a doubt. Absolutely. If we stay there and keep the status quo - even borrowing to do so - then perhaps as they weaken and we get more fingers in more pies, we'll regain some compettive advantages - tech, global resource, medicine, etc. not mnfg of course.
The libs are morally right. but they don't have a plan B for the day that iran/Iraq/Syria and the saudis all shake hands and agree not to sell oil to us. And it COULD happen.
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why though? if your in the blue color class. it does not make sense. It's not benefiting you whatsoever.
Maybe he think's the people that run the world are awesome :'(
doesn't make sense from a logical standpoint
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listen man, whoever brainwashed you into thinking hezbollah was some terrorist militia did a good job. the hezbollah work with lebanese army hand in hand. They are not there to instigate. They defend against israel. What makes you think they are there, untouched by the lebanese army, unaccounted for or ungoverned? Lebanon NEEDS them.
Hezbollah first emerged during the Lebanese Civil War as a militia of Shia followers of the Ayatollah Khomeini, trained, organized and funded by a contingent of Iranian Revolutionary Guards.[8] Hezbollah's three main goals are to: Eradicate what it views as Western colonialism in Lebanon, bring to justice of those who committed atrocities during the war (specifically the Phalangists), and establish an Islamic government in Lebanon.[9] Hezbollah has realized that the goal of transforming Lebanon into an Islamic state is not practical at this time and has temporarily abandoned it.[8]
Six countries, including the United States and the United Kingdom, officially list Hezbollah or its external security arm as a terrorist organization, though its designation as such is not unanimous among world powers (perhaps most notably, the European Union[10]). Most in the Arab and Muslim worlds regard Hezbollah as a legitimate resistance movement.[3]
Hezbollah has popular support in Shi'a Lebanese society[11] and has mobilized demonstrations of hundreds of thousands.[12][13][14] In addition Hezbollah receives arms, training, and financial support from Iran[15][16] and has "operated with Syria's blessing" since the end of the Civil War.[17][18] Hezbollah, which started only with a militia, has grown to an organization which has seats in the Lebanese government, a radio and a satellite television station, and programs for social development.[19] Since 1992 the organization has been headed by Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah, its Secretary-General.
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The guy is a neo-con! He just admitted it!
I voted for Bush, Dole, Bush and Bush. yes, I'm a repub. I dislike when my party lies. I dislike when my party uses corruption, fearmongering, and insulting propaganda.
neocons defend their party's actions blindly. I do not. I understand global economics and love seeing the world grow and change. I don't want the USA to lose access to oil and get poor. I just don't. And it's inevitable if we let them manage their own oil - cause they will sell to RUS and CHI, who exploit their people and can pay better than us.
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240, the usa is already poor, we're in trillions of debt to china, what happens if they use that power (and they are threatening us) to possibly switch partnership,
i dont recall clearly what they're threatening to do, but more or so the power the set off a economic nuke :'(
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China has too much to loose to really mess with the status quo. They will have economic hegemony over much of Asia without firinga shot..they won't do anything.
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Hezbollah first emerged during the Lebanese Civil War as a militia of Shia followers of the Ayatollah Khomeini, trained, organized and funded by a contingent of Iranian Revolutionary Guards.[8] Hezbollah's three main goals are to: Eradicate what it views as Western colonialism in Lebanon, bring to justice of those who committed atrocities during the war (specifically the Phalangists), and establish an Islamic government in Lebanon.[9] Hezbollah has realized that the goal of transforming Lebanon into an Islamic state is not practical at this time and has temporarily abandoned it.[8]
Six countries, including the United States and the United Kingdom, officially list Hezbollah or its external security arm as a terrorist organization, though its designation as such is not unanimous among world powers (perhaps most notably, the European Union[10]). Most in the Arab and Muslim worlds regard Hezbollah as a legitimate resistance movement.[3]
Hezbollah has popular support in Shi'a Lebanese society[11] and has mobilized demonstrations of hundreds of thousands.[12][13][14] In addition Hezbollah receives arms, training, and financial support from Iran[15][16] and has "operated with Syria's blessing" since the end of the Civil War.[17][18] Hezbollah, which started only with a militia, has grown to an organization which has seats in the Lebanese government, a radio and a satellite television station, and programs for social development.[19] Since 1992 the organization has been headed by Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah, its Secretary-General.
cmon man give us a source, we already know the usa thinks hezbollah is a terrorist state, yet they do not attack any other coutnry but israel, which has captured part of lebanon once and hold lebanese soldiers as prisoners of war.
so give us a non bias source, until then i might research the hezbollah and spit in face of your ''USA holier than thou mindstate''
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Non bias...that was from wiki, which i regret using but I figured it would provide a non-bias source. They are a terror organizations. They were the first to use suicide attacks. More to the point... I'm an American and they pose a threat to American interests. I'm not a self hating liberal nor a neocon.
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why though? if your in the blue color class. it does not make sense. It's not benefiting you whatsoever.
Maybe he think's the people that run the world are awesome :'(
doesn't make sense from a logical standpoint
I'm in the 80 to 120k yearly range for household. def not a rich neocon.
I support their agenda for longterm US survival. Seriously - if the people in the mid east had one more generation with web access to get their shit together, we were in trouble. They would have sold to RUS and CHI, they were all dropping the dollar.
most people are selfish - they'd rather live well and let the rest of the world fall apart. most repubs use the lies of religious superiority, WMD, bringing democracy, or some other lie. I'm not.
I'll be straight - i want to control their oil so I know we get it at good prices and we don't have depression as a result.
period.
neocons like Beach Bum and The Coach will lie to themselves. They'll cite "we're bringing them democracy". I consider people like that to lack the minerals to be honest.
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Hezbollah was founded by Lebanese Khomeinists and members of Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps in Lebanon in the 1980s. Prior to September 11 it was supported by Syria and Iran and was responsible for the deaths of more Americans than any other terrorist group. Hezbollah is believed responsible for having taken part in the simultaneous suicide bombing of U.S. marine barracks and French paratrooper headquarters in Beirut on April 18, 1983, an attack that killed 241 Marines and 58 French soldiers, the highest loss of life among servicemen either nation had suffered since the Vietnam and Algerian wars, respectively. According to press reports and government documents, it was the execution and impact of these attacks, combined with the subsequent withdrawal of the U.S.-led Multinational Forces from Lebanon, which later served as an inspiration to Osama bin Laden.
This about sums it up.
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240, the usa is already poor, we're in trillions of debt to china, what happens if they use that power (and they are threatening us) to possibly switch partnership,
i dont recall clearly what they're threatening to do, but more or so the power the set off a economic nuke :'(
CHI has more interest in the US doing well than anyone else in the world.
When you owe the bank $10,000 - they own you.
When you owe the bank $10 mil - YOU OWN THEM.
old CNBC adage there. China will bend over backwards, cause the trillions in debt mean nothing if the US falls. Plus it means we'll stop buying their products for our walmarts (hi beach bum!) China is our biggest competitor and best friend.
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Non bias...that was from wiki, which i regret using but I figured it would provide a non-bias source. They are a terror organizations. They were the first to use suicide attacks. More to the point... I'm an American and they pose a threat to American interests. I'm not a self hating liberal nor a neocon.
interesting.. it said iran sold hezbollah weapons,does wiki list that the USA sold weapons to hussein to kill his own people?
DOUBT IT!
it might've been for oil, but i think that buying weapons from iran to defend your country from israel is a little more justified than selling weapon for oil.
just my opinion.
wiki is not even a legit source anyway, so i dont fault you.
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The problem with Coach is that he's gotten to into the drum banging Limbaugh stuff. Limbaugh's fine until he goes off on the patriotic bent that he knows is crazy. I don't think u can hoist democracy on peoples who are not ready for it. I think u can pitch the fact that Saddam is/was a murderous scumbag and may have wmd's and will present a threat to the US either now or in the future. Further u can say that Iran/Iraq have oil and have proven unreliable. Ties to terror can easily be made...the weakest case is bringing democracy, Freedom and democracy are to different things.
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The problem with Coach is that he's gotten to into the drum banging Limbaugh stuff. Limbaugh's fine until he goes off on the patriotic bent that he knows is crazy. I don't think u can hoist democracy on peoples who are not ready for it. I think u can pitch the fact that Saddam is/was a murderous scumbag and may have wmd's and will present a threat to the US either now or in the future. Further u can say that Iran/Iraq have oil and have proven unreliable. Ties to terror can easily be made...the weakest case is bringing democracy, Freedom and democracy are to different things.
Many neocons are sheep. Rush will sell 5 different angles as to why war is good (one for each level of thinker), and the neocon will latch on to one. joe liked WMD cause it was tangible, and democracy cause it was heroic and made him feel good.
Coach once said that liberals - who are against war - won't get into heaven. That only the people on the right, who support aggressive wars, are in God's favor. This shows you the level of brainwashedness, denial, etc.
I'm an a-hole, but i'm honest.
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What weapons...we didn't sell him chemicals..that was all bullshit. He got some support during the 9 year war with Iran. Most of his military was Russian made and trained. U can't fight with Russian equipment without using Soviet doctrine and a lifeline to spare parts. We provide weapons to anybody who fights are enemies, sometimes the game changes. We diodn't go into Iraq because we wanted our M-16's back.
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I'm in the 80 to 120k yearly range for household. def not a rich neocon.
I support their agenda for longterm US survival. Seriously - if the people in the mid east had one more generation with web access to get their shit together, we were in trouble. They would have sold to RUS and CHI, they were all dropping the dollar.
most people are selfish - they'd rather live well and let the rest of the world fall apart. most repubs use the lies of religious superiority, WMD, bringing democracy, or some other lie. I'm not.
I'll be straight - i want to control their oil so I know we get it at good prices and we don't have depression as a result.
period.
neocons like Beach Bum and The Coach will lie to themselves. They'll cite "we're bringing them democracy". I consider people like that to lack the minerals to be honest.
Live for the day huh?
We wouldn't need to do all this bullshit if we had developed alternative fuels/energy, stopped spending a trillion a year on military bases and lived within our means...
You're probably going to vote for Guilliani, right? ::)
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Hezbollah was founded by Lebanese Khomeinists and members of Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps in Lebanon in the 1980s. Prior to September 11 it was supported by Syria and Iran and was responsible for the deaths of more Americans than any other terrorist group. Hezbollah is believed responsible for having taken part in the simultaneous suicide bombing of U.S. marine barracks and French paratrooper headquarters in Beirut on April 18, 1983, an attack that killed 241 Marines and 58 French soldiers, the highest loss of life among servicemen either nation had suffered since the Vietnam and Algerian wars, respectively. According to press reports and government documents, it was the execution and impact of these attacks, combined with the subsequent withdrawal of the U.S.-led Multinational Forces from Lebanon, which later served as an inspiration to Osama bin Laden.
This about sums it up.
Believed...haha thats cute, and pathetic
few things from that paragraph-
1. hezbollah was supported by syria until 9/11? well the usa supports syria to this day. Why did syria stop supporting hezbollah after 9/11? does syria think hezbollah was resposible for 9/11 or had ties to al-queida? ahahahaha.
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I'm pretty damm conservative....but when they bring up God, my skin crawls. Maybe because its seems like magic to some libs, thus causing any argument u make to be dismissed. I never bring up God in any argument. I'm a cathoilc with 12 years hard time under my belt as a student.
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What weapons...we didn't sell him chemicals..that was all bullshit.
we sent deadly strains to iraqi univerisities, during iraq's war with iran.
then saddam acquired them, made weapons which he used.
rumsfeld arrived shortly afterwards to shake hands and do whatever else.
Maybe not sell - definitely facilitated it. You send strains to a guy in war with an uprising, who killed hudreds on his first day in office 2 years earlier... then you act all surprised he used your deadly strains for non-research purposes.
Back to the honesty thing. We knew what they were for. Just admit it. ya know?
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We wouldn't need to do all this bullshit if we had developed alternative fuels/energy, stopped spending a trillion a year on military bases and lived within our means...
oil/energy is secondary. only a spoke in wheel that is economy.
the economy is first.
I readily admit we're unable to compete anymore. Indians (tech) and chinese (mnfg) just work too hard for too little. until you can fix that problem and bring USA back to forefront in global market with some sustainable advantage, the neocon plan is the way to go.
if there's a better way, share it!
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What weapons...we didn't sell him chemicals..that was all bullshit. He got some support during the 9 year war with Iran. Most of his military was Russian made and trained. U can't fight with Russian equipment without using Soviet doctrine and a lifeline to spare parts. We provide weapons to anybody who fights are enemies, sometimes the game changes. We diodn't go into Iraq because we wanted our M-16's back.
don't play dumb here man, we sold WEAPONS FOR OIL to iraq when hussein was in charge, he in turn used them to terrorize his own country,
now tell me whats more justifiable, selling weapons to hezbollah, to fight off an invading israel, or selling weapons for oil/
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Maybe we should allow all those countries in Latin America and Africa to sink without our hand outs. Then we could pay for our military, which by the way sponsors ur continued freedom. No need to thank me.
How do we support Syria? Further the chem thing...
The USA did not sell Chemical (or any) Weapons to Saddam. A US agency did by mistake send anthrax (a biological weapon) to Iraq under the auspicies of a UN agricultural program. The chemical factories (dual use factories I believe) that Sadam got were from France and Germany.I believe it was the US who brought Halabja to international attention by denounceing Saddams use of chemical weapons. Saddams Mukhaburat, I believe tried to turn this into a Iranian erradication program; whoops sorry (I don't think they were ever able to actually use the stuff in combat anyhow). They had technical help from Europe or the Soviets.
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What weapons.....document what we sold to him. And who cares at this point. Hez is a terror organization who threats our allies and has killed our countrymen. Thats the issue.
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damn... politics is some boring shit lol...
Giants are winning 21-10 over atlanta, almost halftime.
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What weapons.....document what we sold to him. And who cares at this point. Hez is a terror organization who threats our allies and has killed our countrymen. Thats the issue.
haha spoken like a true neo con, 110% bullshi
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Indians are over my Sox 4-2.
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damn... politics is some boring shit lol...
Giants are winning 21-10 over atlanta, almost halftime.
i have it on espn right now, but we both know atl does NOT stand a chance
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Ok bud..whats bullshit...throwing the neocon lable doesn't work with me. ask anybody here. What weapons. Either we sent him vats of chems or we didn't. What hardware. Iran had more American hardware then the Iraqi's did.
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alright i have to go back to torturing iraqi children, i'll see u guys in the morning.
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Ok bud..whats bullshit...throwing the neocon lable doesn't work with me.
HH6 is a global realist, from what I gather.
he knows the war is about
1) securing oil
2) securing bases for longterm us interests.
he might know that 911 has some fishyness, but can't comment due to being a military man.
(correct me if I"m wrong on anything, HH6)
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Ok bud..whats bullshit...throwing the neocon lable doesn't work with me. ask anybody here. What weapons. Either we sent him vats of chems or we didn't. What hardware. Iran had more American hardware then the Iraqi's did.
it's simple bud, TERROR , you use it as a scape for your agenda. yea hezbollah are ''terrorists'' who threaten our way of life, blah blah they have killed our countrymen, they live for the death of usa, come on, thats so 2002
now WHY would hezbollah threaten our allies? MAYBE BECAUSE IsRAEL INVADED LEBANON WITH NO DECLARATION OF SHIT, NO JUSTIFICATION ECTETERA. hezbollah has a right to threaten israel. israel and lebanon/palestine have been at it forever. And this is what you call it, '' THEY THREATEN OUR ALLIES'' HAHA!!!!!!!!!!
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it's simple bud, TERROR , you use it as a scape for your agenda. yea hezbollah are ''terrorists'' who threaten our way of life, blah blah they have killed our countrymen, they live for the death of usa, come on, thats so 2002
now WHY would hezbollah threaten our allies? MAYBE BECAUSE IsRAEL INVADED LEBANON WITH NO DECLARATION OF SHIT, NO JUSTIFICATION ECTETERA. hezbollah has a right to threaten israel. israel and lebanon/palestine have been at it forever. And this is what you call it, '' THEY THREATEN OUR ALLIES'' HAHA!!!!!!!!!!
what country are you from?
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where'd 2nd coming go?
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I highly doubt Israel would have our backs absolutely in any sort of attack. I can see them worming their way into an alliance with another nation in order to get another "pet attack dog" if they could see it as being advantageous. Israel would not do half of what it has been doing if it didn't have the 100% unquestioned backing of the US and I think many of Israel's policies do its citizenry a great disservice. Afterall, it IS the normal citizens that are most at risk from suicide bombers, assaults, and violent anti-semitism. I always thought an alliance between nations were supposed to have mutual benefits to each other, or at least an alliance based generally upon shared values, culture, and religion. Whatever advantages an alliance with Israel has given us, it certainly is lopsided comparitively to what the US has been to Israel. As for the shared backgrounds I would think we have more in common with the UK, Germany, France, Spain, and Australia. I guess the Israeli lobbying machine, the Israel-first politicians in our government, and the power of the Evangelical lobby is simply too much to overcome.
beat me to it. another golden post from JBGRAY
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SNAP!!! SEE!!! Here comes a coalition attempt which was exactly what was happening the last time the words "Palestinian State" left the lips of an Administration official.
"With a government of that nature, only a united front of nations will be able to exert enough pressure to make Iran abandon its nuclear aspirations — a source of great anxiety and instability in the region,"--Gates
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071016/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/gates_iran
hmmmm.... can we afford another round of bribing nations to join in???
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where'd 2nd coming go?
i live in new york
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i live in new york
way to not answer my first question. are you lebanese?
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who would win in a hand-to-hand fight to the death between dubya and ahmadinejad?
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way to not answer my first question. are you lebanese?
what the hell is this interrogation?
no im not lebanese
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what the hell is this interrogation?
no im not lebanese
Don't know about you guys, but reading the prophecy of nostradamus is scary.
Apparently muslim extremists, are going to wipe the world out.
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what the hell is this interrogation?
no im not lebanese
so what are you then?
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so what are you then?
muslim extremist
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Don't know about you guys, but reading the prophecy of nostradamus is scary.
Apparently muslim extremists, are going to wipe the world out.
that was a vague question, but ill still answer it.
no im not muslim. nor am i liberal. Fascinating i know...
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so what are you then?
you first ;D
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that was a vague question, but ill still answer it.
no im not muslim. nor am i liberal. Fascinating i know...
yeah, you're negative style of answering indicates you have nothing to hide . . .
please continue melting down (objectively, of course ::) over Hezbollah.
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that was a vague question, but ill still answer it.
no im not muslim. nor am i liberal. Fascinating i know...
No it was not a question, I was just bullshitting around on this I Ching, Dec 21, 2012 thing and then uncovered, more unrest. Edgar Cayce, Einstein, Saint Malachy, Nostradamus, Scientists (Earth's 26K wobble, solar storms, the sun aligning with the milky way).
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yeah, you're negative style of answering indicates you have nothing to hide . . .
please continue melting down (objectively, of course ::) over Hezbollah.
please continue to use message board lingo to make a pathetic judgment of somebody
you did pass the nuance test with flying colors though
lame
oh yea nice post count
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No it was not a question, I was just bullshitting around on this I Ching, Dec 21, 2012 thing and then uncovered, more unrest. Edgar Cayce, Einstein, Saint Malachy, Nostradamus, Scientists (Earth's 26K wobble, solar storms, the sun aligning with the milky way).
yea pretty crazy.. 3 galaxies align or something?...some say we'll meet other lifeforms around that time
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you can't nuke a country that lives right next door. Aside from those pesky downwind radiation showers, you'll have millions of glowing refugees shitting and dying on your streets in about 3 days. They'll flood the borders. You can carpet bomb them as they approach, but then the UN will have a hissy fit and you'll lose a lot of money in trade embargos.
Rob, ...you just made this Canuck sleep alot easier tonight.
Hopefully the ones with access to the button are as wise as you. :)
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As a North American, it is comforting to think so, ...but I wonder if that's how it would really play out. ???
yeah, it sounds like a new cold war is coming with russia. Putin is very pissed at us for this euro missile shield. IF he could cripple us with a quick strike and stop US growth, would he? I dunno.
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Yeah rob u hit it pretty good. Jag, ur countrymen share that Button. There are plenty of Canadians at NORAD making sure we all sleep well. The Putin thing is troubling, however unlike the Islamonutbags, its about dollars with the Russians. They have plenty of resources, petro dollars, but also face the same types of problems that we in the West have. They faces threats from Islamic nutbags ansd would like to grow closer to the West. Things can be done to better the situation with them, long or short term.
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Yeah rob u hit it pretty good. Jag, ur countrymen share that Button. There are plenty of Canadians at NORAD making sure we all sleep well. The Putin thing is troubling, however unlike the Islamonutbags, its about dollars with the Russians. They have plenty of resources, petro dollars, but also face the same types of problems that we in the West have. They faces threats from Islamic nutbags ansd would like to grow closer to the West. Things can be done to better the situation with them, long or short term.
yeah, Putin was quiet for a long time. in the last year, to match US boldness in the rampup to Iran, Putin has gotten bold too. Alliance with iran and China. Calling us out for imperialism and the missile shield. Plus that macho photo shoot lol...
Another 5 years of Bush-like US policy and we'll be in a 4th war in Syria. We'll have the Eur missile shield and probably one over asia/china too. And we'll keep squeezing them.
You KNOW they're feeling the heati n Russia. Imagine if the reds were invading venez, brazil, cuba, and greenland, building bases. Then they put in a "north american missile shield". We'd be shitting our pants haha...
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It stands to reason...they feel that they want to reinsert themselves on thw world stage. there is money to be made. They sorta woke up and they have NATO at their front and back door. We have troops in almost all of Eastern Europe. We train with everybody in the Balkans. We're in Afghanistan. But things can be done.
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I thought that the joint missle thing was a good idea. Throw them a bone. Since neither of us gets to sit in on that stuff, and we don't know what goes on, somebody thought it was a bad idea.
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I thought that the joint missle thing was a good idea. Throw them a bone. Since neither of us gets to sit in on that stuff, and we don't know what goes on, somebody thought it was a bad idea.
the european missile shield?
I took it to mean that we'd have a whole lot of launchers that could do a lot of things to a lot of nations very quickly if need be. of course it'd be strictly defense - but it could remove a % of MAD.
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Yeah....Put it on Russian soil..why not. I'm sure we could finagle a few more sites throughout Europe. It builds relationships with their military. Neither Bush nor Putin will last forever.