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Re: Did the 'gay lobbyists' hijack Pro Bodybuilding in the early 80's?
« Reply #100 on: April 07, 2008, 09:30:19 PM »
Well, I realize that. But I'd like to hear other people's opinion of it. Especially those who cannot admit to themselves that this thing/industry/pageant is geared towards a certain crowd. Basically, I want to hear from those who are in denial, about comp. bbing. To me, it's pretty obvious what's going on, hell, like you said, if we took some sort of poll, most people would figure it out, right away. Yet many here, cannot admit to themselves what's really going on.

I do welcome everyone's opinion though.....

maybe im in denial, as i do feel that there are valid reasons for the things that bbers do onstage, as ive mentioned in this thread on a previous page.

can u tell me what parts of a bbing comp u think specifically target gays?

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Re: Did the 'gay lobbyists' hijack Pro Bodybuilding in the early 80's?
« Reply #101 on: April 07, 2008, 09:50:21 PM »
Well, I realize that. But I'd like to hear other people's opinion of it. Especially those who cannot admit to themselves that this thing/industry/pageant is geared towards a certain crowd. Basically, I want to hear from those who are in denial, about comp. bbing. To me, it's pretty obvious what's going on, hell, like you said, if we took some sort of poll, most people would figure it out, right away. Yet many here, cannot admit to themselves what's really going on.

I do welcome everyone's opinion though.....

By definition you cannot hear from them what any rational person would articulate.  They are in denial.  It is a real and powerful phenomenon and pointing out to someone that they are in denial is not enough to yoke them out of it. 

Just look at the absurd examples of Ted Haggard and Larry Craig.  They were so deep in denial that they got married to women—and had sex with men on the side.  Now, even after having been exposed to the whole world, they still believe they are straight.  They really do.

If you’ve only seen it in TV and movies—and never dealt with it face to face—it may be hard to appreciate how real and powerful denial can be.  :-\


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Re: Did the 'gay lobbyists' hijack Pro Bodybuilding in the early 80's?
« Reply #102 on: April 07, 2008, 09:52:23 PM »
maybe im in denial, as i do feel that there are valid reasons for the things that bbers do onstage, as ive mentioned in this thread on a previous page.

can u tell me what parts of a bbing comp u think specifically target gays?

Where to start?  :-\

Go to a show, (overwhelming) majority of the audience is male.

The men flex for the crowd of men.

They pump up, for the crowd of men.

They oil up, for a crowd of men.

They wear the tiniest trunks available.

They hike up these tiny trunks, to show off their asses.

You have men going ape shit, when the above happens.

For some reason, the bigger the man, the bigger the cheer.

You ALWAYS have men there who DO NOT EVEN WORK OUT! (wtf do you think they are there for?)

You have guys humping the stage floor, as part of their routines.

You have men doing the splits.

There's pictures of men in tiny daisy dukes, as they lift heavy weights (clearly to satisfy someone's fetish).

Schmoes run the industry (Blekman, Weeda's).

G4P

Gay-4-charity

Gay-4-pleasure



Dude, I could be here all night typing this shit up. Then there's the stuff that BayGM mentions.......


I was once like you. Somethings just seemed odd, but I didn't really think about it. Slowly but surely, my eyes were opened..... :-\

Don't get me wrong, I love bbing (training, lifestyle, discipline). But the comp. side of it, the pageantry (might as well call it what it is) is what it is.
Clearly geared towards gay men.

And no, I have NOTHING against gays (live and let live is my motto), but reality is what it is.




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Re: Did the 'gay lobbyists' hijack Pro Bodybuilding in the early 80's?
« Reply #103 on: April 07, 2008, 09:53:47 PM »
By definition you cannot hear from them what any rational person would articulate.  They are in denial.  It is a real and powerful phenomenon and pointing out to someone that they are in denial is not enough to yoke them out of it. 

Just look at the absurd examples of Ted Haggard and Larry Craig.  They were so deep in denial that they got married to women—and had sex with men on the side.  Now, even after having been exposed to the whole world, they still believe they are straight.  They really do.

If you’ve only seen it in TV and movies—and never dealt with it face to face—it may be hard to appreciate how real and powerful denial can be.  :-\



Good point.

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Re: Did the 'gay lobbyists' hijack Pro Bodybuilding in the early 80's?
« Reply #104 on: April 07, 2008, 09:57:18 PM »
do either of you know about the origins of the shot above? I.E, was it a Flex/Ironman/MD mag shoot, Muscle Gallery, Colt, whatever...... ???

I think it is early 90s (with Jay being in his early 20s), and from one of the main bodybuilding mags.

This one is from 1996, shortly before Jay won his pro card.




btw, my guess is that Hank Wood is written by the same people who write Vince G, CSN MFT

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Re: Did the 'gay lobbyists' hijack Pro Bodybuilding in the early 80's?
« Reply #105 on: April 07, 2008, 10:01:10 PM »
I think it is early 90s (with Jay being in his early 20s), and from one of the main bodybuilding mags.

This one is from 1996, shortly before Jay won his pro card.





Thank you, Tim.

Add that to the evidence....

Seriously now, imagine yourselves as a straight man, walking to the cashier and paying for this magazine with its homo erotic cover....... :-\
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Re: Did the 'gay lobbyists' hijack Pro Bodybuilding in the early 80's?
« Reply #106 on: April 07, 2008, 10:01:16 PM »
Where to start?  :-\

Go to a show, (overwhelming) majority of the audience is male.

The men flex for the crowd of men.

They pump up, for the crowd of men.

They oil up, for a crowd of men.

They wear the tiniest trunks available.

They hike up these tiny trunks, to show off their asses.

You have men going ape shit, when the above happens.

For some reason, the bigger the man, the bigger the cheer.

You ALWAYS have men there who DO NOT EVEN WORK OUT! (wtf do you think they are there for?)

You have guys humping the stage floor, as part of their routines.

You have men doing the splits.

There's pictures of men in tiny daisy dukes, as they lift heavy weights (clearly to satisfy someone's fetish).

Schmoes run the industry (Blekman, Weeda's).

G4P

Gay-4-charity

Gay-4-pleasure




Dude, I could be here all night typing this shit up. Then there's the stuff that BayGM mentions.......


I was once like you. Somethings just seemed odd, but I didn't really think about it. Slowly but surely, my eyes were opened..... :-\

Don't get me wrong, I love bbing (training, lifestyle, discipline). But the comp. side of it, the pageantry (might as well call it what it is) is what it is.
Clearly geared towards gay men.

And no, I have NOTHING against gays (live and let live is my motto), but reality is what it is.


 ha ha ha Dude you have me keeled over with laughter!  ha ha ha ha  Serously, it's all so funny. ha ha ha ha  ;D

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Re: Did the 'gay lobbyists' hijack Pro Bodybuilding in the early 80's?
« Reply #107 on: April 07, 2008, 10:13:23 PM »
Go to a show, (overwhelming) majority of the audience is male.     it's a male sport. males bodybuild, women 'sculpt' and 'tone'. besides, we know their physiques only attract a small amount of sexual lust from women, so they really have little reason to watch.

The men flex for the crowd of men.    see above point, and add that it's a competition. they flex for the crowd AND judges.

They pump up, for the crowd of men.    see above point

They oil up, for a crowd of men.     " "

They wear the tiniest trunks available.   show off more muscle to gain every advantage possible, though this really isnt necessary in most cases.

They hike up these tiny trunks, to show off their asses.  see above

You have men going ape shit, when the above happens.   see first point...

For some reason, the bigger the man, the bigger the cheer.    im repeating myself here

You ALWAYS have men there who DO NOT EVEN WORK OUT! (wtf do you think they are there for?)   although bbing is mainly a sport for those who workout, aslong as u are attracted by huge muscles, u will watch. that doesnt make u a schmoe either.

You have guys humping the stage floor, as part of their routines.   never seen that done

You have men doing the splits.   so? it was a staple part of flex's award winning routine, and ronnie looked insane when he did the splits.

There's pictures of men in tiny daisy dukes, as they lift heavy weights (clearly to satisfy someone's fetish).   refer to my point a few pages back ;)

Schmoes run the industry (Blekman, Weeda's).    never said the gay/closet gay community werent a big part of the fans/industry

G4P refer to above point, and add: it makes them money

Gay-4-charity

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Re: Did the 'gay lobbyists' hijack Pro Bodybuilding in the early 80's?
« Reply #108 on: April 07, 2008, 10:24:18 PM »
gordiano:

I love your avatar.  A pumped up, oiled up Shawn Ray putting on mascara... or is that eye liner... or eye shadow?  I always get eye make up confused.  Not that it matters... it's still laughable.  :D

Unless one is in denial.  ;D

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Re: Did the 'gay lobbyists' hijack Pro Bodybuilding in the early 80's?
« Reply #109 on: April 07, 2008, 10:38:07 PM »
gordiano:

I love your avatar.  A pumped up, oiled up Shawn Ray putting on mascara... or is that eye liner... or eye shadow?  I always get eye make up confused.  Not that it matters... it's still laughable.  :D

Unless one is in denial.  ;D

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Re: Did the 'gay lobbyists' hijack Pro Bodybuilding in the early 80's?
« Reply #110 on: April 07, 2008, 10:41:41 PM »
Although... do you recall a cover of flex or ironman magazine where Jay Cutler was just wearing a towel and it was half falling off... extremely gay.... well it was the worst selling issue by a mile that magazine ever had... the reason given was because the readers were too homophobic...

ha ha ha ha ha I'd forgotten about that cover.  It puts the daisy dukes photos to shame.  :-[

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Re: Did the 'gay lobbyists' hijack Pro Bodybuilding in the early 80's?
« Reply #111 on: April 07, 2008, 10:46:47 PM »
ha ha ha ha ha I'd forgotten about that cover.  It puts the daisy dukes photos to shame.  :-[

I notice the "Sexy Hawaii Muscle" on the top left, there. Anyone know if it was women in the pictorial or men........ :-\


Again, unless you're targeting gay men, why would you have a young Jay Cutler, wearing nothing but a towel on the cover?

Wouldn't it make more sense to have a hot chick with muscle tone, and big tits on the cover to get the attention of (straight) men, since supposedly your readership is mainly men?



EDIT: now that I look at it, is it even a full towel? Certainly more like a hand towel...... :-\
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Re: Did the 'gay lobbyists' hijack Pro Bodybuilding in the early 80's?
« Reply #112 on: April 07, 2008, 10:50:07 PM »
the more i read these comments, the more i think im not the one in denial here. think about it...

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Re: Did the 'gay lobbyists' hijack Pro Bodybuilding in the early 80's?
« Reply #113 on: April 07, 2008, 10:55:31 PM »
I was never big into magazines, but a few years ago while at a gay friend's house I flipped through an issue of "Exercise (for Men Only)" on his coffee table.  That magazine in particular is very gay.  It has scantly clad buff models in photo layouts that have nothing to do with training.  Just gratuitous JO photo spreads of the models looking provocatively into the camera.  Surprise! Surprise! Some of the models are porno stars.

The ads in the back of the magazine are even more direct.  
musclegallery.com
muscleweb.com
vistavideo.com
powermen.com and all the rest advertise in the back of that magazine.


They're not even pretending anymore.....just straight "gayness for sale".  :-\


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Re: Did the 'gay lobbyists' hijack Pro Bodybuilding in the early 80's?
« Reply #114 on: April 07, 2008, 11:05:18 PM »
its ridiculous how gay centric you are, but then again you are using the afrocentric model of looking at the world...but the world does not revolve around gays or blacks...that way of thinking is just as sick as marginizing groups of people...

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Re: Did the 'gay lobbyists' hijack Pro Bodybuilding in the early 80's?
« Reply #115 on: April 07, 2008, 11:15:00 PM »
Although... do you recall a cover of flex or ironman magazine where Jay Cutler was just wearing a towel and it was half falling off... extremely gay.... well it was the worst selling issue by a mile that magazine ever had... the reason given was because the readers were too homophobic...

This was the cover i was talking about...

Surley if this was the worst selling issue ever for this magazine. it would show that the majority of bodybuilder's don't want to see this shit..

Don Long.
Sexy.
Hard.

This magazine just screams homo-erotic  :-\

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Re: Did the 'gay lobbyists' hijack Pro Bodybuilding in the early 80's?
« Reply #116 on: April 08, 2008, 04:40:02 AM »
It's gone all so horribly wrong! 

I lament the passing of the golden era!

I am filled with sadness as i watch this sport spiral into a gay-abyss!

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Re: Did the 'gay lobbyists' hijack Pro Bodybuilding in the early 80's?
« Reply #117 on: April 08, 2008, 04:42:14 AM »
Team Hank Wood y'all!!!

This man speaks truth and righteousness!!!

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Re: Did the 'gay lobbyists' hijack Pro Bodybuilding in the early 80's?
« Reply #118 on: April 08, 2008, 06:57:34 AM »
It's gone all so horribly wrong! 

I lament the passing of the golden era!

I am filled with sadness as i watch this sport spiral into a gay-abyss!

The golden era was never golden; you just didn't know what was going on.   :-[

Remember, the father of modern bodybuilding, Eugene Sandow 1867-1925 (long considered to have the perfect proportions of classical Greek and Roman sculpture), dumped his wife and toured the country posing and flexing with his piano playing boyfriend (Martinus Sieveking) in tow.  The two eventually set up house together in NYC.  Sandow also engaged in what we would today call 'private posing'.  Fork over the cash and you can watch him flex for you in private.  Fork over more cash and you are allowed to touch his muscles.  Fork over even more cash and... well, you get the idea...

If you want to lament something, lament the loss of your innocence/ignorance.  It had to happen sooner or later.  It's called growing up. ::)

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Re: Did the 'gay lobbyists' hijack Pro Bodybuilding in the early 80's?
« Reply #119 on: April 08, 2008, 08:36:29 AM »
It's gone all so horribly wrong! 

I lament the passing of the golden era!

I am filled with sadness as i watch this sport spiral into a gay-abyss!



LOL.....you fucking kill me with this shit....
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Re: Did the 'gay lobbyists' hijack Pro Bodybuilding in the early 80's?
« Reply #120 on: April 08, 2008, 08:40:37 AM »
Thank you, Tim.

Add that to the evidence....

Seriously now, imagine yourselves as a straight man, walking to the cashier and paying for this magazine with its homo erotic cover....... :-\
i find the shot a classic and not SEXY

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Re: Did the 'gay lobbyists' hijack Pro Bodybuilding in the early 80's?
« Reply #121 on: April 08, 2008, 11:08:22 AM »
Can you name another sport where the athletes are so frequently photographed wearing daisy dukes?  :D

Sigh. What guys won't do to score or keep a contract.

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Re: Did the 'gay lobbyists' hijack Pro Bodybuilding in the early 80's?
« Reply #122 on: April 08, 2008, 11:10:40 AM »
Can you name another sport where the athletes are so frequently photographed wearing daisy dukes?  :D



Your question makes no sense...
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Re: Did the 'gay lobbyists' hijack Pro Bodybuilding in the early 80's?
« Reply #123 on: April 08, 2008, 11:14:14 AM »


Your question makes no sense...

Zounds! Touché.

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Re: Did the 'gay lobbyists' hijack Pro Bodybuilding in the early 80's?
« Reply #124 on: April 08, 2008, 11:26:17 AM »
YEAH those pics are strange and even stranger if the bber is still sporting those after the photo shoot!