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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: candidizzle on April 11, 2008, 05:59:08 PM
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without resorting to google..how about you let me know what you know about making a muscle grow?
im not tryign to flame you at all..but you dismissing any benefit on hypertrophy that 'the pump' or muscular fatigue might have is just rediculous.
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What he's saying Candi is that getting a good pump does not mean you are causing hypertrophy or at least the most optimal hypertrophy, same way with fatiguing the muscle, you don't have to fatigue the muscle to get it to grow. You need to experiment to see what rep range you get the most growth from because everyone is different. Pump and fatigue do not mean growth, that's all.
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without resorting to google..how about you let me know what you know about making a muscle grow?
im not tryign to flame you at all..but you dismissing any benefit on hypertrophy that 'the pump' or muscular fatigue might have is just rediculous.
allow me to answer your request with a request.
how about you let me know what YOU know. not what you've READ, but what you KNOW. you can read gray's anatomy all day but that doesn't mean you're a surgeon. what do you actually KNOW about making muscles grow?
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allow me to answer your request with a request.
how about you let me know what YOU know. not what you've READ, but what you KNOW. you can read gray's anatomy all day but that doesn't mean you're a surgeon. what do you actually KNOW about making muscles grow?
well, how can you know anythign with out learning it first? saying "not what youve read" eliminates ALL knowledge that is actually worth something... however, i can still answer... i 'know' what anybody who has ever lifted a weight before 'knows'..that if you lift weights and cause stress, the muscle(s) involved grows larger, grows stronger. thats all ANYBODY can 'know' on the subject, BRO.
now how about , instead of skirting the question, you fill me in on what makes a muscle ggrow on the cellular level.
hint... dish network ;D
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you're trying to make yourself smarter by clouding the issue with irrelevant bits of data. i can teach someone how to drive a stick-shift without knowing the exact mechanisms by which the clutch interacts with the gears, and I can tell you how to get a suntan without having a grasp of what happens to the cells when hit with UV rays.
your problem is that you think that because you've read things (cute that you wanted to preclude "the google" but that's how you've garnered what you "know"), that means you know what you're talking about. you're the equivalent of an armchair quarterback who thinks that because he's watched every football game for the last 20 years and has read books on game strategy that you can tell a player how to do his job. it don't work that way.
the thing is, you are an avid weightlifter. you talk about how hard you diet, how you almost never veer, etc. and yet, despite "knowing" more than anyone else on the subject, despite having a spotless diet and "perfect" training, you don't look like you lift weights.
clearly, there is a big fat hole in your knowledge. frankly, knowing the exact details about microtears in muscle fiber and from whence they repair and grow is unimportant because that's looking at the wrong area. if i know method A makes muscles grow but method B doesn't, from my perspective the "why" is irrelevant, i just need to find the right method.
i'd suggest you do the same, BRO. ::)
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hahahaha
i love you too baby
now why dont you actually try to answer the question, BRO
;D
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dude, you're not getting it. let's look at the facts.
1) you apparently know how muscles grow on the cellular level; i do not and readily admit this.
2) despite "knowing more than me", you have been completely unable to put your "knowledge" to any use, casting serious doubt as to how pertinent that information is, while ignorant old me has figured out a thing or two about training.
no flame, just reality. i neither know the answer to that question nor care. now, if you can tell me, BRO, how that matters (i.e. astound me with your dazzling knowledge on the subject) and simultaneously justify why YOU haven't been able to yield the fruits of your genius, then i will admit defeat in this little battle of wits.
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yes yes i already told i love you too , hotstuff :-*
nwo stop with all the flirting and let me know what happens when you train that causes and increase in protein synthesis/hypertophy
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Ok...
what didn't work for me - arm days, 4-6 normal sets, doing the same, isolation movements,training 4-5 times a week, high carb, low fat
what's been working so far - compound movements + log, 2-3 times a week training, lots of fat, moderate protein, carbs only from veggies
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i can get a pump off pressups doesnt mean i am growing.
I tried the high reps 8-16 reps etc for chest. never worked.
what does work for me is 5x5 on compound movements and slighty higher reps on other major exercises. then at the end of workout i just do 'pumpy' shit like cable crossovers bench dips etc.
i also so so so strongly and firmly believe that you should never ever train to failure
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Uhh....I'm sure he's just aching to go on here and type out everything he believes and knows about training to secure your trust in his methods.
Why spend months writing a book when you can do it all here on demand for an acne scared douche without the education to understand a word of it?
Maybe candizzle can let us know how "the pump" facilitates muscle growth. I'd prefer specific differentiation between cross sectional area and actual tissue originating from germ cells while during the embryotic stage.....but I'll take anything.
Actually I probably won't read it, just go back to the anti-jamie eason girl in the 18 and over section for another staring contest.
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you're trying to make yourself smarter by clouding the issue with irrelevant bits of data. i can teach someone how to drive a stick-shift without knowing the exact mechanisms by which the clutch interacts with the gears, and I can tell you how to get a suntan without having a grasp of what happens to the cells when hit with UV rays.
your problem is that you think that because you've read things (cute that you wanted to preclude "the google" but that's how you've garnered what you "know"), that means you know what you're talking about. you're the equivalent of an armchair quarterback who thinks that because he's watched every football game for the last 20 years and has read books on game strategy that you can tell a player how to do his job. it don't work that way.
the thing is, you are an avid weightlifter. you talk about how hard you diet, how you almost never veer, etc. and yet, despite "knowing" more than anyone else on the subject, despite having a spotless diet and "perfect" training, you don't look like you lift weights.
clearly, there is a big fat hole in your knowledge. frankly, knowing the exact details about microtears in muscle fiber and from whence they repair and grow is unimportant because that's looking at the wrong area. if i know method A makes muscles grow but method B doesn't, from my perspective the "why" is irrelevant, i just need to find the right method.
i'd suggest you do the same, BRO. ::)
hahahaha
i love you too baby
now why dont you actually try to answer the question, BRO
;D
Epic avoidance of zach's post.
Good job.
Dizzle you are a good kid and all but a lot of times you answer posts from just cut and paste info from the internet....things like juice use etc.
If you can't bench 400 lbs how can you tell someone how to get there? Same with being say 240 lbs at 8% ?
let it go doggcrapp training works
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there are many method and process for stimulating and maximizing hypertrohy.
Volume vs HIT , and there are many variations on these schools of thought. The only question is which one works best for you. Since we all have different agendas and timeframe to accomplish these agendas it would be fool hearty to advocate only 1.
also different body part respond differently to different training methods, most people that train for a couple of years eventually come to these conclusions
Dante is the businesss of making money from his training method this bias cannot and should not be ignored.
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Epic avoidance of zach's post.
Good job.
Dizzle you are a good kid and all but a lot of times you answer posts from just cut and paste info from the internet....things like juice use etc.
If you can't bench 400 lbs how can you tell someone how to get there? Same with being say 240 lbs at 8% ?
let it go doggcrapp training works
ofcourse DC works! over load a muscle group and repeat the process in a short time period..why wouldn't it? hasn't this been around for years? :-\
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you're trying to make yourself smarter by clouding the issue with irrelevant bits of data. i can teach someone how to drive a stick-shift without knowing the exact mechanisms by which the clutch interacts with the gears, and I can tell you how to get a suntan without having a grasp of what happens to the cells when hit with UV rays.
your problem is that you think that because you've read things (cute that you wanted to preclude "the google" but that's how you've garnered what you "know"), that means you know what you're talking about. you're the equivalent of an armchair quarterback who thinks that because he's watched every football game for the last 20 years and has read books on game strategy that you can tell a player how to do his job. it don't work that way.
the thing is, you are an avid weightlifter. you talk about how hard you diet, how you almost never veer, etc. and yet, despite "knowing" more than anyone else on the subject, despite having a spotless diet and "perfect" training, you don't look like you lift weights.
clearly, there is a big fat hole in your knowledge. frankly, knowing the exact details about microtears in muscle fiber and from whence they repair and grow is unimportant because that's looking at the wrong area. if i know method A makes muscles grow but method B doesn't, from my perspective the "why" is irrelevant, i just need to find the right method.
i'd suggest you do the same, BRO. ::)
x2. Watching The Apprentice doesn't make me Donald Trump, either. Candi has yet to show the ability to apply anything he knows into meaningful, measurable results.
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Dante is the businesss of making money from his training method this bias cannot and should not be ignored.
Really? he trains very few people now and for the past years.....only elite level guys...advanced...
He could make 100000 a year or more training people if he took on all the people that wanted them to train them...never seen him push people on training in fact he tells most that inquire to "try something else"
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I have read a lot of scientific stuff on hypertrophy, the all conclude the same, fatigue is necessary, pump is necessary, VOLUME is necessary. That's for the research.
Back to real life: the mere fact that stuff like mentzers HD, DC training and all the other low volume training actually works says a lot about the validity of the research that clearly states that low volume can not work in theory
This is along the lines of the debate between philosophers and hard positive scientist: what is more real? The music you hear playing or the pressure differences in air that produce the music. A living human being hears music (=sound), not miniscule differences in air pressure
Am I saying science is useless? Not at all, but it must not be seen as the absolute be all end all of things, as any real scientist will also tell you
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yes yes i already told i love you too , hotstuff :-*
nwo stop with all the flirting and let me know what happens when you train that causes and increase in protein synthesis/hypertophy
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this, my friends, is what "i look like a fool but want to pretend like i don't" looks like. sorry candy, you look like an even bigger fool talking about training than you do talking about drugs.
you had to take drugs to lose weight, now you're using drugs to gain muscle. you don't know shit about shit and are trying to cover it by playing "expert" and spouting scientific mumbo-jumbo.
let's put it simply: if i'm confronted by two guys, one of whom has gotten nowhere with muscle-building despite eons of trying and one of whom has added 50-60 pounds of muscle to his frame, i don't really care who knows more about protein synthesis and the difference between hypertrophy and hyperplasia, i'm gonna take tips from the second guy.
thanks for playing. :)
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this, my friends, is what "i look like a fool but want to pretend like i don't" looks like. sorry candy, you look like an even bigger fool talking about training than you do talking about drugs.
you had to take drugs to lose weight, now you're using drugs to gain muscle. you don't know shit about shit and are trying to cover it by playing "expert" and spouting scientific mumbo-jumbo.
let's put it simply: if i'm confronted by two guys, one of whom has gotten nowhere with muscle-building despite eons of trying and one of whom has added 50-60 pounds of muscle to his frame, i don't really care who knows more about protein synthesis and the difference between hypertrophy and hyperplasia, i'm gonna take tips from the second guy.
thanks for playing. :)
Yep - the proof is in the pudding.
A proven concept can't be beat by Houdini-"science".
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my protein synthesis is the shit ;D
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Here is DC in action compliments of no one!!
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I have read a lot of scientific stuff on hypertrophy, the all conclude the same, fatigue is necessary, pump is necessary, VOLUME is necessary. That's for the research.
Where did you read that pump is necessary? And what constitutes a pump?
I say tension overload, metabolic fatigue (via volume).
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I grow far better from multiple sets of low reps heavy weight. say 10 sets of 5 rather than 5 sets of 10.
its all about progressive overload....well for natties imo anyway.
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I grow far better from multiple sets of low reps heavy weight. say 10 sets of 5 rather than 5 sets of 10.
its all about progressive overload....well for natties imo anyway.
same here. only time i do high-rep is on assistance moves just to avoid beating up my joints too much. sets of 3-5 on bench and close-grip made my triceps blow up way more than giant sets of kickbacks and extensions ever did.
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my last chest day for example was this
bench 5x5
inclines 5x5
close grips 3x5
weighted dips 3x5
then....
pushowns 3x16
flys supersetted with overhead tri extensions 3x15 s/s 3x15
v light nech for a pump
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what's this thread got to do with DC....I must be missing something...
the "pump" doesn't have anything to do with actual muscle growth, a muscle grows by overload and then giving it the fuel it needs to repair itself and grow-food.
grab a 5lbs DB and curl it 100 times and you'll prolly have a pump but do you really thing your muscle grew from that? :o :o :o :o
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Dante is the businesss of making money from his training method this bias cannot and should not be ignored.
Really?
I never wrote a book, have been asked to do that too many times to count.
Turned down every time I was asked to do the various muscle radio shows
Turned down the writing gigs I have been asked to do (monthly columns) in the newstand mags
I dont train people anymore, havent taken on a new client since I think September 2007 (pretty much done unless someone tweaks my curiousity and I feel its a challenge to get him bigger--but I doubt it) I only trained people because I was repeatedly asked to do it. (it was always a side job)
Dont make a dime off the DC DVD thats out there (thats the way I wanted it)
So if Im not making money off books, DVD's, training people, monthly writing gigs, how the heck am I making money off of DC training?
It (my thoughts) were put out there to help some people (if and only if they wanted to try an alternative plan or were frustrated)--Ive never pushed it on anyone and I would much rather everyone just do the training they want to do. I try to repeatedly say the following.....Dont like reading what Ive written, its quite simple...Dont do it then...do what you want to do. If your kind of at a dead end and dont know what to do, hey maybe i can help you out a little to get over the hump. If its not your cup of tea, no big deal....best of luck to you in your training whatever you decide to do.
Wait a second, my business partner and I do make I think 4 bucks on DC training shirts that are sold on the trueprotein website....so I must report that.
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Really?
I never wrote a book, have been asked to do that too many times to count.
Turned down every time I was asked to do the various muscle radio shows
Turned down the writing gigs I have been asked to do (monthly columns) in the newstand mags
I dont train people anymore, havent taken on a new client since I think September 2007 (pretty much done unless someone tweaks my curiousity and I feel its a challenge to get him bigger--but I doubt it)
Dont make a dime off the DC DVD thats out there (thats the way I wanted it)
So if Im not making money off books, DVD's, training people, monthly writing gigs, how the heck am I making money off of DC training?
It was put out there to help some people (if and only if they wanted to try an alternative plan or were frustrated)--Ive never pushed it on anyone and I would much rather everyone just do the training they want to do. I try to repeatedly say the following.....Dont like reading what Ive written, its quite simple...Dont do it then...do what you want to do. If your kind of at a dead end and dont know what to do, hey maybe i can help you out a little to get over the hump.
Wait a second, my business partner and I do make I think 4 bucks on DC training shirts that are sold on the trueprotein website....so I must report that.
meltdown.
jk dante, u seem like a good guy. No need to defend yourself ad nauseum ;)
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i am a noobie, i grow no matter what i do. ;D :-\
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i am a noobie, i grow no matter what i do. ;D :-\
well so far you;ve taken the right steps
1, create an account on getbig
2, post away
3, acknowledge you're a botom twink noob
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When i first started training i would do 12 work sets for chest.
Now over 12 years later i do 3. I can feel more in 1 set now than i could in 12 when i started.
DC makes the point you don't need to do much. The problem is everyone believes what Weider magazines have been saying for years which is rubbish. Maybe when you start you don't have the connection to do what i can do in 3 sets, but the longer you train the less you will need. Anyway that's my opinion and what works for me everyone likes different things.
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well so far you;ve taken the right steps
1, create an account on getbig
2, post away
3, acknowledge you're a botom twink noob
lol so your not going to bottom for me anymore? You are too loose anyway ;)
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most people who train baked, like to do volume...
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DC's given me tons of FREE advice over the years, never asked for a damn thing.
he's also given me about 10lbs of free protien powder, 2 shirts and some other supplements to try out, all for FREE.
you guys that rag him for being a "business man" are idiots that have never dealt with they guy on apersonal level......fuck he even said if you wanna train people and use his methods to make yourself money go for it...
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Steroids create cartoonish Muscles, am i missing something ???
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Really?
I never wrote a book, have been asked to do that too many times to count.
Turned down every time I was asked to do the various muscle radio shows
Turned down the writing gigs I have been asked to do (monthly columns) in the newstand mags
I dont train people anymore, havent taken on a new client since I think September 2007 (pretty much done unless someone tweaks my curiousity and I feel its a challenge to get him bigger--but I doubt it) I only trained people because I was repeatedly asked to do it. (it was always a side job)
Dont make a dime off the DC DVD thats out there (thats the way I wanted it)
So if Im not making money off books, DVD's, training people, monthly writing gigs, how the heck am I making money off of DC training?
It (my thoughts) were put out there to help some people (if and only if they wanted to try an alternative plan or were frustrated)--Ive never pushed it on anyone and I would much rather everyone just do the training they want to do. I try to repeatedly say the following.....Dont like reading what Ive written, its quite simple...Dont do it then...do what you want to do. If your kind of at a dead end and dont know what to do, hey maybe i can help you out a little to get over the hump. If its not your cup of tea, no big deal....best of luck to you in your training whatever you decide to do.
Wait a second, my business partner and I do make I think 4 bucks on DC training shirts that are sold on the trueprotein website....so I must report that.
Any truth to the rumor that the "pancake house" is as integral to DC training as barbells and dumbells are?
Pray tell fine sir, the curious masses are a gossiping.
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Any truth to the rumor that the "pancake house" is as integral to DC training as barbells and dumbells are?
Pray tell fine sir, the curious masses are a gossiping.
Come on Justin, you know TGIFRIDAYS is the place where it all got started!!!!!!
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Really?
So if Im not making money off books, DVD's, training people, monthly writing gigs, how the heck am I making money off of DC training?
because you recommend ungodly amounts of protein, that can only really be acomplished by the use of protein powders, that funnily enough you also happen to sell ::)
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because you recommend ungodly amounts of protein, that can only really be acomplished by the use of protein powders, that funnily enough you also happen to sell ::)
Not just funnily, but coincidented too.
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Any truth to the rumor that the "pancake house" is as integral to DC training as barbells and dumbells are?
Pray tell fine sir, the curious masses are a gossiping.
There is no doubt the pancake house and their "anabolic bacon" are key pieces to the puzzle. What sucks is now that your back in Michigan and not eating with me I hear this from the waitresses all the time "Where's your buddy? The guy 2 times as big as you?"
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because you recommend ungodly amounts of protein, that can only really be acomplished by the use of protein powders, that funnily enough you also happen to sell ::)
Let me look at the timelines here
1992 - started to write my theories out in HardcoreMuscle magazine till 1995
1997-1998 started to write things out on the net
2004- started trueprotein
I waited 12 years? Either I am the biggest procrastinator this world has ever known or I have the most patient marketing plan ever.... to wait 12 years to do it. Is it wrong to get up in the morning and go to a job that I love to do? I have an engineering degree, yet I hated engineering....dreaded it. Does this mean i have to go back to a job I absolutely abhore?
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To go back to the original post.
Mechanotransduction.
End.
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To go back to the original post.
Mechanotransduction.
End.
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Countdown to candi furiously googling "mechanotransduction" and pasting whatever wiki has on it... 10... 9... 8...
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To go back to the original post.
Mechanotransduction.
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We grow by hearing?
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To go back to the original post.
Mechanotransduction.
End.
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Indoleamine 2,3-dioxygenase
Termina.
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3-Hydroxy-2-phenyl-propionic acid
End.
Wait,
Beginning.
Both?
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LoL.
Stop.
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Does this mean i have to go back to a job I absolutely abhore?
of course not, just don't go around preaching that your in this for the fans, and not making a bean from it. When clearly you are making quite a few $.
i admire that you have became something of a bb celebrity from nothing, but lets be honest your ideas are nothing original, they are simply a rehash of mike mentzers/jones/parillo's ideas claimed as your own.
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Really?
I never wrote a book, have been asked to do that too many times to count.
Turned down every time I was asked to do the various muscle radio shows
Turned down the writing gigs I have been asked to do (monthly columns) in the newstand mags
I dont train people anymore, havent taken on a new client since I think September 2007 (pretty much done unless someone tweaks my curiousity and I feel its a challenge to get him bigger--but I doubt it) I only trained people because I was repeatedly asked to do it. (it was always a side job)
Dont make a dime off the DC DVD thats out there (thats the way I wanted it)
So if Im not making money off books, DVD's, training people, monthly writing gigs, how the heck am I making money off of DC training?
It (my thoughts) were put out there to help some people (if and only if they wanted to try an alternative plan or were frustrated)--Ive never pushed it on anyone and I would much rather everyone just do the training they want to do. I try to repeatedly say the following.....Dont like reading what Ive written, its quite simple...Dont do it then...do what you want to do. If your kind of at a dead end and dont know what to do, hey maybe i can help you out a little to get over the hump. If its not your cup of tea, no big deal....best of luck to you in your training whatever you decide to do.
Wait a second, my business partner and I do make I think 4 bucks on DC training shirts that are sold on the trueprotein website....so I must report that.
Wanna see what DC training can do for you?
Density is the key.
(http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff301/torquer23/_web12.jpg)(http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff301/torquer23/_web8.jpg)
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Thats a very solid human being right there...
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Wanna see what DC training can do for you?
Density is the key.
(http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff301/torquer23/_web12.jpg)(http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff301/torquer23/_web8.jpg)
make you fat ?
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Two Words: Overload Principle ;D