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On last weeks probodybuilding weekly, Bob inferred that Mike Mentzer was very overrated and possessed "child bearing hips, no chest and a big ass." Is Bob correct in his evaluation of the Mentzer physique?
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epic jealousy more like :'(
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Mentzer is a bodybuilding legend, like him or not.
Bob well, is chick.
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I do think Mike was overrated to an extent, sure he had enough knowledge to outsmart every bodybuilder (except Arnold and Nasser) on this planet but personally I never thought his physique was great.
He should be commemorated for his contribution to the bodybuilding lifestyle rather than be praised as a God like form concerning his physique.
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RIP Mike
(http://www.arrl-sc.org/images/KG4SLHweb2.jpg)
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Bob is right to a point.
Mentzer's chest wasnt as this as it could have been, certainly compared to Serge, Arnold, Sergio and a few others. his hips were a bit wide, but this made his waist look even smaller than it was (which was small) and as for his butt, i'd like to hear his thoughts on almost every present day pro competing today.
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I don't believe he was right.
Metzer was huge and dense, I've never really heard anyone say his waist was huge or he had "child bearing hips", was it as small as it could have been? Sure, but it's not like he had the genetics to have melvin anthony's waist.
Like I said Mike had a very thick and dense physique, it had some weak points but c'mon....his chest wasn't that bad and to say he had no business beating zane is rubbish, it was apples and oranges and another set of judges might have given it to mike and no one would have bitched.
Mike got screwed in 80 as did alot of other guys, mike was big and ripped, Arnold was a shadow of his former glory, there's no denying that. Mike had better overall leg development, and was in much better shape. If you took the 2 physiques and put them on 2 total no name bb'ers nad put them next to each other there's no way the guy with arnold's physiqu-at that time-would have "destroyed" mike's. Mike was way more complete.
people are still pissed at Mike and Arthur Jones cause they basically said that most of the things that were being preached at the time were bullshit....
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Its Hip to Bash Mentzer he finished 2nd in the MrO, Chic finished 18th in the MrO
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I wonder what bob's motivation was to do that? I've never heard him really be so rough on anyone else but all fo a sudden he goes off on MM....I wonder if MM dissed him back in the day?
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I don't believe he was right.
Metzer was huge and dense, I've never really heard anyone say his waist was huge or he had "child bearing hips", was it as small as it could have been? Sure, but it's not like he had the genetics to have melvin anthony's waist.
Like I said Mike had a very thick and dense physique, it had some weak points but c'mon....his chest wasn't that bad and to say he had no business beating zane is rubbish, it was apples and oranges and another set of judges might have given it to mike and no one would have bitched.
Mike got screwed in 80 as did alot of other guys, mike was big and ripped, Arnold was a shadow of his former glory, there's no denying that. Mike had better overall leg development, and was in much better shape. If you took the 2 physiques and put them on 2 total no name bb'ers nad put them next to each other there's no way the guy with arnold's physiqu-at that time-would have "destroyed" mike's. Mike was way more complete.
people are still pissed at Mike and Arthur Jones cause they basically said that most of the things that were being preached at the time were bullshit....
Yes, I do think that Bob does talk sense at times, but he seems to be a bit off the mark on this one.
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It is nice how Bob rags on a BB legend after he is dead. But while Mike was alive Chic more than likely when he saw Mentzer in the gym was drooling and begging to be around him. And then of course there is the reason that Mike's physique is known around the BB industry while Chic is known around the BB industry as being.........well...... .............the IFBB doll.
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On last weeks probodybuilding weekly, Bob inferred that Mike Mentzer was very overrated and possessed "child bearing hips, no chest and a big ass." Is Bob correct in his evaluation of the Mentzer physique?
I like Bob...but 20 years from now historians of the sport will remember Mentzer more than he.
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Mike is a legend,, who cares what bob says,, of course he will bash him cause mike was in bad terms withe the IFBB
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20 years from now Chic will be doing the same thing....putting down legends on his weekly radio show.
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Mike was a damn legend. A Physique that 95% of these so-called pros can only wish to have. I doubt Robert Michael truly meant those words.
H.I.T. was definitely a great method for training...(Homosexuals.In.Thongs)
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Bob will definitely bash Nasser after he is dead,, he is just afraid of nasser now cause he might spread some of his dirty laundry
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Chic is intimidated by Mikes rugged build and massive forearms- which Bob has none of, total pussy
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I love it...a simple question brought up by the thread starter, and the peanut gallery is out in full force with every comment EXCEPT what the true answer was.
The comment I made was on Metzners PHYSIQUE, not him as a person, not whether or not I knew him (I didn't)...I'll challenge anyone to post pictures to refute my comments...
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I love it...a simple question brought up by the thread starter, and the peanut gallery is out in full force with every comment EXCEPT what the true answer was.
The comment I made was on Metzners PHYSIQUE, not him as a person, not whether or not I knew him (I didn't)...I'll challenge anyone to post pictures to refute my comments...
You tell um Bob!
That's correct everyone: This is not like in high school where you answer the question on the exam paper that you want to answer. That carries no marks.
PS Bob, the thread starter is no ordinary thread starter, he's a member of the exclusive *Big 6.*
(Determinator:official getbig *Big 6* member)
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let's say this, Mentzer had an awesome physique but Chick is right about his physique flaws and Bob has a far more complete physique than Mike so he can say whatever he wants.
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On last weeks probodybuilding weekly, Bob inferred that Mike Mentzer was very overrated and possessed "child bearing hips, no chest and a big ass." Is Bob correct in his evaluation of the Mentzer physique?
bullshit
(http://digilander.libero.it/mikementzer/m10.jpg)
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childbearing hips?
(http://digilander.libero.it/mikementzer/me10.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/mikementzer/k57.jpg)
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He looks great by himself but I would like to see some clear comparison shots between him, Arnold and Frank Zane.
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giddyup...
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one thing you can say about Mike is that he looked narrow in the shoulders in a lot of shots, monster forearms though.
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Hahahaha,
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one thing you can say about Mike is that he looked narrow in the shoulders in a lot of shots, monster forearms though.
Shoulders weren't narrow...hips were wide.
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Shoulders weren't narrow...hips were wide.
i think he was a typical meso/endo type build, probably those Pennsylvania German genetics.
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now thats a big ass !!!
ive never seen such a big ass!!!
and look at those big hips !!!
chick is right on!!!
(http://digilander.libero.it/mikementzer/m43.jpg)
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Wide hips but he had a tiny waist
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another pic of his HUGE ASS!!!
jesus what was he thinking! he should've stopped squatting!
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Here's a tip for you...when trying to make a point, use an appropriote picture...like one from the front or back.
no need, if he has such a big ass and big hips as you claim, it should be CLEARLY visible from any angle.
but ok, check out the 2nd pic i posted, from the back
WHAT A HUGE ASS!!!
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sorry Bob but your taper isn't exactly slim.
(http://www.fisicoculturismo.info/wp-includes/images/mastersbob.jpg)
and what about glutes?
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/bobcpdbig.jpg)
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sorry Bob but your taper isn't exactly slim.
(http://www.fisicoculturismo.info/wp-includes/images/mastersbob.jpg)
and what about glutes?
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/bobcpdbig.jpg)
hahahahhaa, you're not honestly trying to compare Bob's physique with Mentzer's are you? Bob destroys him in every area, width, shape, size, symmetry, condition, everything.
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no need, if he has such a big ass and big hips as you claim, it should be CLEARLY visible from any angle.
but ok, check out the 2nd pic i posted, from the back
WHAT A HUGE ASS!!!
you mean like this one?
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sorry Bob but your taper isn't exactly slim.
(http://www.fisicoculturismo.info/wp-includes/images/mastersbob.jpg)
and what about glutes?
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/bobcpdbig.jpg)
You're right...my bad
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hahahahhaa, you're not honestly trying to compare Bob's physique with Mentzer's are you? Bob destroys him in every area, width, shape, size, symmetry, condition, everything.
::)
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damn, bobs quad sweep is insane..
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I have to say Bob....
you're hips & ass are much bigger than mike's in proportion.
If you make the claim on Mike....then you must be a tougher critic on yourself
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i never understood the mentzer hype
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I have to say Bob....
you're hips & ass are much bigger than mike's in proportion.
If you make the claim on Mike....then you must be a tougher critic on yourself
I dont have to make any claim on myself....that wasn't the issue, or the premise of the argument. This was never a Me ve Mike debate.
I made a statement critiqing his physique....what does that have to do with me or my physique?
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With Mentzer having been the only person to ever win the Universe with a perfect score, not to mention a heavyweight class win at the '79 Olympia (with a controversial overall loss to Zane), I'd hardly say that he was "over-rated". Bodybuilding, however, is subjective with opinions that can vary greatly.
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I dont have to make any claim on myself....that wasn't the issue, or the premise of the argument. This was never a Me ve Mike debate.
I made a statement critiqing his physique....what does that have to do with me or my physique?
True...True
But for the sake of argument....if there was a virtual posedown between you Mike....
could you (or would you) still make those same critiques on Mike's child bearing hips & big ass when you're the competition to be compared with?
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The truth is quite clear to anyone who was present during this period: either as a competitor or an observer.
Mentzer was the most popular bodybuilder in the world during his prime [ with the fans up until Arnold started making movies] - NO doubt about it. Ask Bob Kennedy or Wayne Gallasch [ sp] who was the main person selling videos at the time. He was the modern day Steve Reeves with a spectacular look [ head to toe when in shape] that no one could match. I remember in London, Mentzer gracefully walking down the street and everyone [ non bodybuilders and especially women as well] going crazy. This is what happened where ever Mentzer went. He would tell me that he had so many requests from women that it was hard to comprehend. When the Mentzer's trained EVERY eye was on them. Believe it that all would trade their physiques for his in a heart beat.
At the 79 Olympia Chris Lund stated that Mentzer had the greatest physique that he had ever photographed up to that point. [ I believe this statement was published in the mags also- not sure though]. Serge Nubret stated that Mike was superior but would not be given the title [ to that effect]. Which leads us to the dark side of Mike and at the time quite an extensive one exsisted.
As I previously said Mike was the most admired bodybuilder in the world at the time because of his unique physique [ when in shape] COMBINED with his astounding good looks, excellent command of the English language, gracefull manner in which he carried himself, unparalled confidence [ like Arnold].
However:
Mike was often an abrasive, aloof, and downright rude individual. He felt [ imo] that he was royalty and in a class by himself . At every turn [ seminars, writings etc.] he would criticize the training beliefs of others and basically describe them as " know nothings". He would also tell everyone not to waste their money on supplements, protein powder, etc. which one would imagine did not endear him to the Weiders who made their money from such. He also referred to the IFBB judges in most unfaltering terms.
Thus it is not so difficult to understand why Mike was denied both the 79-80 Olympia's. Many strongly disliked Mike and some still do. However the topic of a wide pelvis and large glutes was issued which can be answered with antecedal evidence supplied:
I recall some one saying [ Ed Corney I believe] that Mentzer had more signature poses than any competitor ever; which caused me to review and agree with his assertation.
The following: leg extending sartorious
Crucifix [ his and Sergio's]
Open handed back pose
Twisting, kneeling one arm tricep
Two arms overhead forearm - only overhead pose at that time that was ever done was by -Sergio- victory pose.
One arm side [ arm extended] done from rt. or left side and done either with ONE arm or BOTH arms: As done only by Arnold and Dave Draper but theirs was only the right side with both arms.
Double forearm pose from the back
AND TO ANSWER THE WIDE HIP question the VACUUM pose done only by MIke and Zane in which we felt [ due to the fact that MIke was much thicker] his vacuum was superior. However only he and Zane could do one. Of course one of the requirements for a successful vacuum is NARROW hips- which Mike had- along with the crucifix pose also demanding the same requirement. Of course Mike had the best crucifix. Ask Robbie Robertson a person who knows a thing or two about wide hips if Mentzer had an issue there. AS far as large glutes I don't see it as an issue.
Additional comments: I remember Bob Kennedy stating that the two bodybuilders with the best genetics in his opinion was Mentzer and Yates - this was printed in one of his books. No mention of wide hips and large buttocks.
- In later life Mike apoligized to many for his behavior that may have offended others. Mike was the rare individual that had the ability to evolve as a human spirit. He was as honest an individual as I have ever known and passionately dedicated to the truth. Mike believed all he hypothesized.
Actually just the other day I was sitting outside a car wash and happened to be speaking with one of the top amateur guys today. He brought up Mentzer and how he admired him and asked my opinion. Later as I drove to the gym I realized I have never seen anyone [ dating back to the 60's] that looked as good [ head to toe] as Mike Mentzer.
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The truth is quite clear to anyone who was present during this period: either as a competitor or an observer.
Mentzer was the most popular bodybuilder in the world during his prime [ with the fans up until Arnold started making movies] - NO doubt about it. Ask Bob Kennedy or Wayne Gallasch [ sp] who was the main person selling videos at the time. He was the modern day Steve Reeves with a spectacular look [ head to toe when in shape] that no one could match. I remember in London, Mentzer gracefully walking down the street and everyone [ non bodybuilders and especially women as well] going crazy. This is what happened where ever Mentzer went. He would tell me that he had so many requests from women that it was hard to comprehend. When the Mentzer's trained EVERY eye was on them. Believe it that all would trade their physiques for his in a heart beat.
At the 79 Olympia Chris Lund stated that Mentzer had the greatest physique that he had ever photographed up to that point. [ I believe this statement was published in the mags also- not sure though]. Serge Nubret stated that Mike was superior but would not be given the title [ to that effect]. Which leads us to the dark side of Mike and at the time quite an extensive one exsisted.
As I previously said Mike was the most admired bodybuilder in the world at the time because of his unique physique [ when in shape] COMBINED with his astounding good looks, excellent command of the English language, gracefull manner in which he carried himself, unparalled confidence [ like Arnold].
However:
Mike was often an abrasive, aloof, and downright rude individual. He felt [ imo] that he was royalty and in a class by himself . At every turn [ seminars, writings etc.] he would criticize the training beliefs of others and basically describe them as " know nothings". He would also tell everyone not to waste their money on supplements, protein powder, etc. which one would imagine did not endear him to the Weiders who made their money from such. He also referred to the IFBB judges in most unfaltering terms.
Thus it is not so difficult to understand why Mike was denied both the 79-80 Olympia's. Many strongly disliked Mike and some still do. However the topic of a wide pelvis and large glutes was issued which can be answered with antecedal evidence supplied:
I recall some one saying [ Ed Corney I believe] that Mentzer had more signature poses than any competitor ever; which caused me to review and agree with his assertation.
The following: leg extending sartorious
Crucifix [ his and Sergio's]
Open handed back pose
Twisting, kneeling one arm tricep
Two arms overhead forearm - only overhead pose at that time that was ever done was by -Sergio- victory pose.
One arm side [ arm extended] done from rt. or left side and done either with ONE arm or BOTH arms: As done only by Arnold and Dave Draper but theirs was only the right side with both arms.
Double forearm pose from the back
AND TO ANSWER THE WIDE HIP question the VACUUM pose done only by MIke and Zane in which we felt [ due to the fact that MIke was much thicker] his vacuum was superior. However only he and Zane could do one. Of course one of the requirements for a successful vacuum is NARROW hips- which Mike had- along with the crucifix pose also demanding the same requirement. Of course Mike had the best crucifix. Ask Robbie Robertson a person who knows a thing or two about wide hips if Mentzer had an issue there. AS far as large glutes I don't see it as an issue.
Additional comments: I remember Bob Kennedy stating that the two bodybuilders with the best genetics in his opinion was Mentzer and Yates - this was printed in one of his books. No mention of wide hips and large buttocks.
- In later life Mike apoligized to many for his behavior that may have offended others. Mike was the rare individual that had the ability to evolve as a human spirit. He was as honest an individual as I have ever known and passionately dedicated to the truth. Mike believed all he hypothesized.
Actually just the other day I was sitting outside a car wash and happened to be speaking with one of the top amateur guys today. He brought up Mentzer and how he admired him and asked my opinion. Later as I drove to the gym I realized I have never seen anyone [ dating back to the 60's] that looked as good [ head to toe] as Mike Mentzer.
Thanks for the review...and the opinions of Bob Kennedy and Chris Lund.
The original comment was to address the question of whether or not Mike was better than Arnold....thats where the quote and answer from me came from.
It's unny how some of these guys get better after death, or years after retirement....I've never questioned the fact that Mentzer was a damn good bodybuilder...but lets not get crazy here...
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His ass doesn't look huge and his hips don't look that wide. It probably didn't help him that he was undoubtedly mentally unbalanced, a serious rec drug user, and everything he preached flew in the face of the so-called Weider principles.
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Mentzer had a very thick, rugged and powerful physique and it's true he had some great poses. I met him and stayed at his place in 1978 when I was 16 years old, and he was very nice. I saw no evidence of this egotistical side that's been mentioned. He may have gotten that way later, but he was a very decent person when I met him. As physiques go, Arnold at his best was still better than Mentzer in my opinion.
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bob, you looked great in that comparison pic, but those later ones its obvious that signs of the dreaded thickening of the waist was happening.
was it insulin, gh, igf1?
as a bb rep you owe it to us here to avoid it happening to others and hence the good of bodybuilding.
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Well, lets face it Bob will never be remembered in BBing history quite as well as Mike was.
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Bob Chick ripping Mike Mentzer is like Winger or Poison trashing the Rolling Stones or AC/DC. ;D
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Bob Chick ripping Mike Mentzer is like Winger or Poison trashing the Rolling Stones or AC/DC. ;D
So, I take it you believe Mentzer was better than Arnold?
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So, I take it you believe Mentzer was better than Arnold?
Mentzer was a Golden Age Dellusionite and a quiter.
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So, I take it you believe Mentzer was better than Arnold?
Not bad for a guy with child bearing hips & a large ass.
There's another pro I can think of (with child bearing hips & large ass) that never did this good.
Mike Mentzer
1971 Mr. America - AAU, 10th
1971 Teen Mr America - AAU, 2nd
1975 Mr. America - IFBB, Medium, 3rd
1975 Mr. USA - ABBA, Medium, 2nd
1976 Mr. America - IFBB, Overall Winner
1976 Mr. America - IFBB, Medium, 1st
1976 Mr. Universe - IFBB, MiddleWeight, 2nd
1977 North American Championships - IFBB, Overall Winner
1977 North American Championships - IFBB, MiddleWeight, 1st
1977 Mr. Universe - IFBB, HeavyWeight, 2nd
1978 USA vs the World - IFBB, HeavyWeight, 1st
1978 World Amateur Championships - IFBB, HeavyWeight, 1st
1979 Canada Pro Cup - IFBB, 2nd
1979 Florida Pro Invitational - IFBB, 1st
1979 Night of Champions - IFBB, 3rd
1979 Mr. Olympia - IFBB, Heavyweight (over 200 pounds) 1st, Overall 2nd
1979 Pittsburgh Pro Invitational - IFBB, 2nd
1979 Southern Pro Cup - IFBB, 1st
1980 Mr. Olympia - IFBB, 5th
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Thanks for the review...and the opinions of Bob Kennedy and Chris Lund.
The original comment was to address the question of whether or not Mike was better than Arnold....thats where the quote and answer from me came from.
It's unny how some of these guys get better after death, or years after retirement....I've never questioned the fact that Mentzer was a damn good bodybuilder...but lets not get crazy here...
I think a good part of the Mentzer mystique and legend was his unique form of "Heavy Duty" philosphy/ training.
Most bodybuilder seemd to do the same benches, squats, flys, etc back then, even if some did have different regimes. Menzter's physique was tangible proof that one need not do 2-3 hrs per day in the gym , as Arnold did.
He had a world class physique matched with some unique bodybuilding philosophy.This made him a bodybuilding personality. In all honesty, Bob, I feel we could use some unique thinkers/personalities in the pro ranks today.
I remember seeing him , live on TV in the Mr Universe vs Jusup Wilcox held in Acupulco, Mexico (late 70's).
I was very impressed with his rugged, thick physique. I feel he should have won the Olympia in 1980, but that is another story.
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Bob Chick ripping Mike Mentzer is like Winger or Poison trashing the Rolling Stones or AC/DC. ;D
if that's the case what does it mean when an internet nobody troll like yourself rips any pro?
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Great physique in a time where doping options where limited. and 220 at 5'7 in comp. shape is pretty hefty.
(http://digilander.libero.it/mikementzer/m14.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/mikementzer/m67.jpg)
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PS - Arnold had wide hips as well...which is why he often did side twisting poses. He had underdeveloped glutes (and hams) Is that any better than a "big ass" on MM? I'd say it's worse.
Oh and I am a big Arnold fan :)
Can't we just celebrate the legends rather than fight :)
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I've actually thought about naming my dog "Mentzer". No I am not a HIT jedi...but Mentzer was quite the character. good idea no?
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On last weeks probodybuilding weekly, Bob inferred that Mike Mentzer was very overrated and possessed "child bearing hips, no chest and a big ass." Is Bob correct in his evaluation of the Mentzer physique?
Arnold has the breasts of a lactating midwife.
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Mike should have stuck to medicine.
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Shoulders weren't narrow...hips were wide.
Not as wide as Arnolds
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fuck bob. mike won more pro shows
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Comparing Bob Chick to Mike Mentzer is crazy. Bob does not hold a candle to Mike's build.
Oh and, Bob, Arnold was way better then Mentzer.......it's ok that you will never be as good as either of them were. Get over it. ;D
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A lack of quad sweep did not help Mentzer's shape. But back in that era that was typical.
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Not as wide as Arnolds
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Comparing Bob Chick to Mike Mentzer is crazy. Bob does not hold a candle to Mike's build.
Oh and, Bob, Arnold was way better then Mentzer.......it's ok that you will never be as good as either of them were. Get over it. ;D
Great....now try and stay with the topic...
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If the topic is "Mike Mentzer makes Bob Chick look like a 5 pound bag full of 10 pounds of crap" then I am on pace.
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Mike will be remembered for stealing the idea of H.I.T and claiming it as his own work.
Mike was a pseudo intellectual who plagiarised the work of Ayn Rand.
By his own admission, Mike was a hopeless user of amphetamines, steroids, alcohol and nicotine.
He should never be considered as a role model to the sport.
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If the topic is "Mike Mentzer makes Bob Chick look like a 5 pound bag full of 10 pounds of crap" then I am on pace.
It's not....no go to bed, school starts early tomorrow
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mentzer competed in a era where guys got up on stage at around 6% bodyfat...And in alot of cases including Arnold's, the ass is the last to go and usually takes get under 5%...On top of that, Mike's really wasn't that wide...Add in the fact that he had basically no quad sweep and you get the fat ass, wide hips to back width look...l
When it comes to Chick, Chick has some of the best quad sweep ever to step on stage...Add in the fact that Chick was as wide as a house, and you can not compare the two...
When it comes to Mike and Arnold though, they basically look like they have never trained Hamstrings in there life...
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When it comes to Chick, Chick has some of the best quad sweep ever to step on stage...Add in the fact that Chick was as wide as a house, and you can not compare the two...
true, you can't compare the two, but can make observations.
Chick, as with Mike, had a proportionately big ass. there are pics to prove this, as with Mike.
Chick, like Mike, had wide hips, but his waist was wider than Mike, which made his hips look more proportionate to his waistline.
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Not bad for a guy with child bearing hips & a large ass.
Maybe something in Chick's life has turned him off to child bearing hips & large asses & he sees them everywhere these days?
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giddyup...
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=209862.0;attach=245184;image)
So Bob you're implying that when you look at Mike's ass you'd like to go for a ride? Gayer than all of the gayer-than's that BSB has ever come up with.
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Everyone is entitle to their opinion. Just wonder how tactful it is to have the officially appointed pro athletes rep bag other bodybuilders.
Mike and others felt he was better than Arnold in 1980.
Two cover photos I took at the 80 Olympia.
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Everyone is entitle to their opinion. Just wonder how tactful it is to have the officially appointed pro athletes rep bag other bodybuilders.
Mike and others felt he was better than Arnold in 1980.
Two cover photos I took at the 80 Olympia.
Vince, you do realise that the Arnold cover shot is flipped, right? He's actually posing his right arm.
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Look at the two covers and the people behind the guys. Same crowd. The images were not reversed.
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Both are reversed. Any doubts, simply re-view the pics and footage of the '80 Olympia. Besides, Arnold NEVER poses a single-arm shot with his left arm.
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Menzer needs his own radio show, should get Demayo on as a guest.
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No matter what... Mike's books always were great to read...
His books made me think about routines and motivated me...
no other Bodybuilder ever came close writing this good... sometimes I grab one of his books to refresh my memory...
For me Mike's one of the greatest.
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Any chance you are gonna write a book Bob? and if you would... what would the topic be?
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again the wizdom of some of the getbigers is unmatched,,
first of all mentzer wasnt even in the sphere of arnold when they both were at their prime,,
secnd mentzer was NARROW,,he wasnt wide at all,,,wideness is very important to win the big one,,especially propotional widness in relashion to waist,,mentzer was a strong fella that blew up well on aas and that where it ended ,,with out aas he would be just another ymca construction guy with thicker than average arms,,
you fellas compare arnold and ron and dorian and haney to some no ones,,are you out of your mind?? have you ever stood next to ron or arnold? have you ever stood next to dorian or hainey ,,,at their best they were so wide you tjhought they were 20-30 lb bigger just from this widness
there is no big champions especially now days with out widness ,,widness is extermely important ,,either get your waist to a female size or simply be wide,,hell jason right now win o ONLY BECAUSE OF HIS WIDNESS HE GOT NOTHING ELSE GOING FOR HIM BESIDE THAT WIDNESS AND THE QUADS all of his other bodyparts resemble a a washed 40 year old bodybuiklder,,
WIDENESSI S WHAT MENTSER LACKED INORDER TO MAKE BIG DAMAGE AND WIN O
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how about Zane?
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Well, from what I've seen (pics), Mentzer had unmatched muscle density at the time. That might not be the most spectacular thing when you see a guy on a podium from a 10-feet distance. But frankly his pics were a lot more inspirational to me than any of Arnold's. Of course, he had flaws. But he definitely helped in bringing a new perspective to bbing. And when it comes to an activity so often criticized for beeing mainly a cosmetic one and mostly fueled by drugs, that's invaluable.
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zane was not wide but his build was so thin and his waist was so feminine that his widness was enough togive the illusion needed,,take a good look at zane vaccums and his midsection in general and you will see that this guy meant to be 150lb in a good wet day ,,,he took it to 185lb and adding that symetric proportional 35 lb of pure lean muscle was enough to win the o and very justified too
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point taken
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i dunno i reckon mike looked a million bucks, just not standing next to arnold
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Arnold was gifted the '80 Olympia. 1980 to 1982 inclusive was THE worst period in Mr Olympia History. Mentzer should hev won in 1980 and if he had, he would have been 3 time Mr O.
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Both are reversed. Any doubts, simply re-view the pics and footage of the '80 Olympia. Besides, Arnold NEVER poses a single-arm shot with his left arm.
Exactly, Arines right arm was at least an inch bigger than his left.
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On last weeks probodybuilding weekly, Bob inferred that Mike Mentzer was very overrated and possessed "child bearing hips, no chest and a big ass." Is Bob correct in his evaluation of the Mentzer physique?
Yes he is.
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Exactly, Arines right arm was at least an inch bigger than his left.
his arms were pretty symmetrical in terms of size. sometimes his posing accentuated his right bicep more, thus making his left arm seem a bit smaller.
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his arms were pretty symmetrical in terms of size. sometimes his posing accentuated his right bicep more, thus making his left arm seem a bit smaller.
Bob Kennedy pointed out years ago that arnolds right arm has a much higher peak than his left. Arnold never does a true flat footed double bi shot, he almost always twists a little. From the rear the peak of a bi cant be seen nearly as well.
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Bob Kennedy pointed out years ago that arnolds right arm has a much higher peak than his left. Arnold never does a true flat footed double bi shot, he almost always twists a little. From the rear the peak of a bi cant be seen nearly as well.
right, he rarely does a straight on fdb, but in the one i showed you, that's pretty straight and the difference in size isn't very noticable. here's another one, where his arms look 99% symmetrical. if u look closely, u can see the difference in the peak. it became more evident as he got more conditioned.
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right, he rarely does a straight on fdb, but in the one i showed you, that's pretty straight and the difference in size isn't very noticable. here's another one, where his arms look 99% symmetrical. if u look closely, u can see the difference in the peak. it became more evident as he got more conditioned.
Do you think that could be because this picture is so early on in his career before he started to exaggerate his arms?
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Do you think that could be because this picture is so early on in his career before he started to exaggerate his arms?
as shown by these two pics, Arnold's arms when viewed straight on are very symmetrical. one bicep did have the peak, but it wasn't as noticable as when he did twisting shots. some can be confused with a direct straight on and a twisting shot, or one arm slightly raised, etc. all of those alignment changes throw off the natural shape and aren't good comparisons when judging symmetry. there's a screencap from the 1975 Olympia of Arnold hitting a fdb when announced the winner that shows how symmetrical his arms where, even towards the end of his career.
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I think Goneaway is correct in that it was a metter of conditioning....the more refined he became, the more pronounced the difference became apparent
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Arnold was gifted the '80 Olympia. 1980 to 1982 inclusive was THE worst period in Mr Olympia History. Mentzer should hev won in 1980 and if he had, he would have been 3 time Mr O.
mentzer couldnt win the o because he was narrow and compact,,when you are narrow and compact you better have very big mesurments on the muscle and mentzer did not have it ,,he had a physiqe that reponnded very well to drugs but he tried to play the astetic game when in reality he was same as branch ,,thos guys look like local bodybuilders if they are not very big ansd thick ,,,,take the widness away and youll never win the big one or most likley any top pro show
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mentzer couldnt win the o because he was narrow and compact,,when you are narrow and compact you better have very big mesurments on the muscle and mentzer did not have it ,,he had a physiqe that reponnded very well to drugs but he tried to play the astetic game when in reality he was same as branch ,,thos guys look like local bodybuilders if they are not very big ansd thick ,,,,take the widness away and youll never win the big one or most likley any top pro show
agreed 100%
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Quote from: gh15 on Today at 02:58:38 PM
mentzer couldnt win the o because he was narrow and compact,,when you are narrow and compact you better have very big mesurments on the muscle and mentzer did not have it ,,he had a physiqe that reponnded very well to drugs but he tried to play the astetic game when in reality he was same as branch ,,thos guys look like local bodybuilders if they are not very big ansd thick ,,,,take the widness away and youll never win the big one or most likley any top pro show
I guess that is why Mentzer is the only person in history to receive a PERFECT score in the Universe.
gh15 is a fucking retarded fool, anyone that listens to this clown is an idiot.
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Mentzer defintely had a small chest and sometimes had a gut, but i don't really see wide hips. And even if he had them, hips don't seem to matter much in bbing compared to waist size. Look at troy Alves. He has a small waist and wide hips and has one of the more appealing physiques.
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I guess that is why Mentzer is the only person in history to receive a PERFECT score in the Universe.
gh15 is a fucking retarded fool, anyone that listens to this clown is an idiot.
You're the retard...you get a Perfect score based on who your standing next to, and compared against..not your physique as an individual...that was as good as anyone getting straight 1st place votes, or a score of 15 in any pro show.....which has been done a million times....even back in that Day...Padilla scored a perfect 300 and LOST against Robbie Robinson.
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Chick, do you think Frank Zane should have beat Robby Robinson for the Mr. O. or any other contest? Robby made Zane look skinny, but still had excellent symmetry.
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This shit makes me laugh
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Chick, do you think Frank Zane should have beat Robby Robinson for the Mr. O. or any other contest? Robby made Zane look skinny, but still had excellent symmetry.
I am not Chick but I will answer.
Yes, Zane easily trounced Robby each time in the O.
Robby always showed up Olympia day out of condition, whilst Zane was on the dot.
Chick will corroborate this.
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It's strange how individuals can see things from a different prospective than those that were present at the 79-80 Olympia's.
To stand behind Mentzer you would have to be concerned with being smothered by his triceps- which were the best ever seen up to that point along with calves, sartorious and forearms. To stand next to him was an experience in intimidation. Perhaps the widest man I have ever seen on stage was Dennis Tinnerio and he was a fan of Mike like everyone else. Heck why doesn't someone ask the players that were actually there? Padilla, Robertson, Samir will tell it like it was. A little while back someone came up to Tom PLatz and asked about Mentzer and he politely [ as always] nodded his head in reverance and spoke with great respect and admiration. It seems as if the criticism comes from those who weren't present during this era. MOST of the Olympia competitors [ at the time] have said that winning the title WASN'T about having the best physique - which it wasn't.
It's interesting to note that the poiint brought up about Mike Mentzer being nothing without drugs and was an extensive user is NOT true. I knew Mentzer since the Teenage MR. America and to this day I never have seen an eighteen year old with his development.
Mike NEVER criticized another bodybuilder's physique [ Their training methods - yes ]. 3 Days before he passed away he spoke very highly of Arnold to me [ Mike to the surprise of many would defend Arnold when people would say he had calf implants, etc.].
I don't believe it is productive to downgrade others: I don't know Chick but I like him as a personality and appreciate his work. GH 15 does not echo Mentzer's contempories views. But I will tell you this in the mid 70's up to 1980 Mike Mentzer was CLEARLY the most popular bodybuilder in the world. Ask Joe Weider, Bob Kennedy, Wayne Gallasch [ I have stated this previously] - the competitors at the time. The truth is the truth. Some can criticize all they desire but the fact remains that Mentzer was number 1 at the box office!
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You're the retard...you get a Perfect score based on who your standing next to, and compared against..not your physique as an individual...that was as good as anyone getting straight 1st place votes, or a score of 15 in any pro show.....which has been done a million times....even back in that Day...Padilla scored a perfect 300 and LOST against Robbie Robinson.
Padilla did NOT get a perfect score you fool.
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Padilla did NOT get a perfect score you fool.
Oh....my bad. Educate yourself...
Fuckin moron.
The 1979 Night of Champions: A Classic Show that Ended in Controversy!
New York City: Brash; Bold; Unpredictable. It is a city where anything can happen and, at one time or another, pretty much everything does. And so it is fitting that "The Big Apple" would play host to the professional bodybuilding competition that probably holds the record for most controversial decisions: "A Night of Champions."
Inaugurated in 1978 by Wayne DeMilia, Karen Clark, and Charles Blake, "A Night of Champions" was New York City's first and, to this day, only professional bodybuilding show. Held at the upper west side's Beacon Theater, the NOC has attracted some of the sport's most rabid fans from the tri-state region and beyond.
Until the creation of the Arnold Classic by Arnold Schwarzenegger the NOC was considered to be the second most prestigious event for IFBB athletes, next to the Mr. Olympia. And, being such, it has always attracted many of the best bodybuilders in the world.
Let the Show Begin
The show's history began smoothly enough, with the popular Robby Robinson being its first winner, beating out massive second-place finisher Roy Callender, aesthetic Bill Grant in third, and the "Ragin' Cajun," Boyer Coe who tied master poser Ed Corney for fourth place. It was the following year, 1979, however, when the NOC started to earn its reputation as a competition with a little something extra.
Once again, superstar Robby Robinson was entered. Having won the heavyweight class of the 1978 Mr. Olympia seven months prior he was considered to be the second best, if not the best, bodybuilder alive. Bill Grant, Boyer Coe and Ed Corney were also returning for a second go at it. But there were a few competitors who weren't around the previous year.
New pro Mike Mentzer was already making waves in the I.F.B.B. as the winner of the Southern Pro Cup and Florida Pro Invitational shows that year and was predicted to be Robby's main competition. Old stalwart Ken Waller would make a return from elbow surgery at this show. And 5' 2" Danny Padilla, in his sophomore year as a pro, would also try to upset the seemingly unbeatable Robinson.
They Might Be Giants...
As predicted, Robby walked onstage looking like a superhero– wiiide shoulders, 28" waist, bicep peaks like the Matterhorn. He was, to coin a phrase, "chiseled perfection."
When Mentzer hit the stage it was as if Hercules himself strode down from Mt. Olympus to grace the NYC audience with his presence. Thick and broad, he brought slabs of muscle to the posing dais unlike anything seen there before. Robby would surely have his hands full with the mighty Mentzer.
... But a Giant Killer Lurks
But then, something unexpected happened. A phenom emerged from the Beacon wings. Combining the proportions of Robinson with the mass of Mentzer and showing a level of definition he had never known before, this 5' 2" dynamo went on to bring the house down with his self-deprecating posing routine to the tune of Randy Newman's "Short People." It became immediately apparent that Danny Padilla had finally reached the level of a top contender.
It was clear from the outset that the top three finishers would be Robinson, Mentzer and Padilla. The others would have to vie for fourth place.
When the three comparison rounds were complete the judges tallied their scoresheets to essentially determine their winner. While the final posedown still remained it was usually considered a formality, a crowd-pleasing grand finale during which the top five guys would duke it out, mano-a-mano, hitting poses rapid fire, more for the sound of applause than with the idea of impacting the judges' decision.
The winner of the first three rounds was always the winner of the show.
Danny Padilla
So, during the break between rounds three and four the points were added and the score read:
Robby Robinson- 299 pts.: Mike Mentzer- 297 pts.: Danny Padilla... 300 pts.! A perfect score for the 28-year-old! And against two of the top three bodybuilders in the world! It was no small upset in the making.
That evening, with knowledge of their standings, the three men, along with Bill Grant and Boyer Coe, took the Beacon stage in the free-for-all posedown.
The Showdown
Robby fought against a second-place finish with each pose, despite the exhaustion he was now experiencing from having competed in three shows within a five week span. Mike felt the same stress as Robby and, understanding that his posing skills were not quite at Robinson's level yet became somewhat accepting of the fact that, this one time, he might not take first place. Danny went along posing as he often did, even-keeled, workmanlike, some might say a bit boringly. But he was thoroughly professional throughout.
Shortly after the free pose ended it was time for the trophy presentation. Wayne DeMilia read the scorecard to the audience.
"In fifth place, and receiving a check for $1000... Bill Grant!" Expected by most.
"In fourth place, receiving a check in the amount of $1,200... Boyer Coe!" No surprise there.
"And in third place, receiving $1,600..." The tension grew. "Mike Mentzer!"
While there were scattered boos the audience accepted Mike's fate well.
Fit to be Tied
"And now..." A pause from DeMilia. "Ladies and Gentlermen, we don't have a second place winner. After four rounds... we have a tie... between Danny Padilla and Robby Robinson for first place!"
The crowd loved it. This meant more competition for them because now Danny and Robby would have to engage in a two-man elimination posedown- the first of its kind!
The crowd by this point was clearly behind the "Giant Killer." They made it their mission to cheer him on to victory.
But the experience and regal composure of "The Black Prince" made the difference on the night of May 12th, 1979 and Robby Robinson was awarded the winner's trophy and $6000 top prize, leaving a confused but upbeat Danny Padilla with a check for one-third that amount and a new fanbase 2,700 strong.
The Aftermath
Yet the questions linger: Why was Robby able to win the 1979 NOC- a bodybuilding show- when he was judged not to have the best body onstage that night? Should his posedown ability have been factored into the decision? Did the fact that Joe Weider was promoting Robby as his next great star or that he recently had commissioned a sculptor to create a bust using his head on Robby's torso have anything to do with the outcome? Or did the judges just see something with Danny and Robby going one-on-one that they hadn't previously?
And so began the legacy of unusual and controversial decisions at the "Night of Champions" (as it has been renamed) that continue to this day.
Only in New York, folks. Only in New York
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Oh....my bad. Educate yourself...
Fuckin moron.
The 1979 Night of Champions: A Classic Show that Ended in Controversy!
Mentzer received a PERFECT score in the Mr. Universe-no one did it before that and no one has done it since.
Now dipshit Bob-is the Night of Champions the Mr. Universe ????.....
Chick, you are a fucking stupid fool who has the brain power of a circus chimp, now get dancing Ringo.
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It's strange how individuals can see things from a different prospective than those that were present at the 79-80 Olympia's.
To stand behind Mentzer you would have to be concerned with being smothered by his triceps- which were the best ever seen up to that point along with calves, sartorious and forearms. To stand next to him was an experience in intimidation. Perhaps the widest man I have ever seen on stage was Dennis Tinnerio and he was a fan of Mike like everyone else. Heck why doesn't someone ask the players that were actually there? Padilla, Robertson, Samir will tell it like it was. A little while back someone came up to Tom PLatz and asked about Mentzer and he politely [ as always] nodded his head in reverance and spoke with great respect and admiration. It seems as if the criticism comes from those who weren't present during this era. MOST of the Olympia competitors [ at the time] have said that winning the title WASN'T about having the best physique - which it wasn't.
It's interesting to note that the poiint brought up about Mike Mentzer being nothing without drugs and was an extensive user is NOT true. I knew Mentzer since the Teenage MR. America and to this day I never have seen an eighteen year old with his development.
Mike NEVER criticized another bodybuilder's physique [ Their training methods - yes ]. 3 Days before he passed away he spoke very highly of Arnold to me [ Mike to the surprise of many would defend Arnold when people would say he had calf implants, etc.].
I don't believe it is productive to downgrade others: I don't know Chick but I like him as a personality and appreciate his work. GH 15 does not echo Mentzer's contempories views. But I will tell you this in the mid 70's up to 1980 Mike Mentzer was CLEARLY the most popular bodybuilder in the world. Ask Joe Weider, Bob Kennedy, Wayne Gallasch [ I have stated this previously] - the competitors at the time. The truth is the truth. Some can criticize all they desire but the fact remains that Mentzer was number 1 at the box office!
Very interesting retrospective. Mentzer always seems like he was trying to figure out new stuff. Some of those old pics of him training on the Nautilus equipment were very cool. I remember a cool one B/W of him on that Nautulis Tricep extension and if he had anything to do with the design of the old chain drive nautilus leg extension he was a genius, that machine was one of the best.
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You're the retard...you get a Perfect score based on who your standing next to, and compared against..not your physique as an individual...that was as good as anyone getting straight 1st place votes, or a score of 15 in any pro show.....which has been done a million times....even back in that Day...Padilla scored a perfect 300 and LOST against Robbie Robinson.
Which has nothing to do with the point I made.......
BTW...it's "AT" the Universe...if you want to be a technical asshole....IN the Universe makes it all encompassing, which means I'm correct....
Retard....
Also...tough for anyone to do it "since", since there is no IFBB Mr. Universe, and hasen't been for YEARS.......
Retard...
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Bob thinks Tamali is built well so, his credibility is all shot to hell
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It's strange how individuals can see things from a different prospective than those that were present at the 79-80 Olympia's.
To stand behind Mentzer you would have to be concerned with being smothered by his triceps- which were the best ever seen up to that point along with calves, sartorious and forearms. To stand next to him was an experience in intimidation. Perhaps the widest man I have ever seen on stage was Dennis Tinnerio and he was a fan of Mike like everyone else. Heck why doesn't someone ask the players that were actually there? Padilla, Robertson, Samir will tell it like it was. A little while back someone came up to Tom PLatz and asked about Mentzer and he politely [ as always] nodded his head in reverance and spoke with great respect and admiration. It seems as if the criticism comes from those who weren't present during this era. MOST of the Olympia competitors [ at the time] have said that winning the title WASN'T about having the best physique - which it wasn't.
It's interesting to note that the poiint brought up about Mike Mentzer being nothing without drugs and was an extensive user is NOT true. I knew Mentzer since the Teenage MR. America and to this day I never have seen an eighteen year old with his development.
Mike NEVER criticized another bodybuilder's physique [ Their training methods - yes ]. 3 Days before he passed away he spoke very highly of Arnold to me [ Mike to the surprise of many would defend Arnold when people would say he had calf implants, etc.].
I don't believe it is productive to downgrade others: I don't know Chick but I like him as a personality and appreciate his work. GH 15 does not echo Mentzer's contempories views. But I will tell you this in the mid 70's up to 1980 Mike Mentzer was CLEARLY the most popular bodybuilder in the world. Ask Joe Weider, Bob Kennedy, Wayne Gallasch [ I have stated this previously] - the competitors at the time. The truth is the truth. Some can criticize all they desire but the fact remains that Mentzer was number 1 at the box office!
i think mentzer was one of the best bodybuilders of his era,,never said he wasnt,,he trained well and consistant and used what he had to to get where he had to and was very strong,,i never said he was an bad bodybuilder,,fat from it i think he was very impressive to the eye and had very good physiqe,,you must understand that when i talk about the top of the top bodybuilders the critiqe is on minut things that everyday gym members and fitness enthusiastic will look at me like ....what ? are you crazy ...kinda the way van blinderass look at vince :D but in his case he is right,,,in any case the critiqe is very pointed and that guy was great bodybuilder,,
most tall enough 5'8 -6'1 bodybuilder that got to a pro card up to the early 2000s had the potential to become a deserved mr o,,
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GH 15
I enjoy reading your posts and respect your views.
I was a competitor and all I state is from first hand experience.
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Please...
Thanks for proving my point. Not sure who this is but this is wide for a BB.
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I so hate those signs behind the guys posing. When we ran shows there was a plain curtain behind the competitors.
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mentzer couldnt win the o because he was narrow and compact,,when you are narrow and compact you better have very big mesurments on the muscle and mentzer did not have it ,,he had a physiqe that reponnded very well to drugs but he tried to play the astetic game when in reality he was same as branch ,,thos guys look like local bodybuilders if they are not very big ansd thick ,,,,take the widness away and youll never win the big one or most likley any top pro show
Franco "Arnie's BEST Buddy" Columbo was better than Mentzer??!!!! I don't think so and he won twice!!!! POLITICS then, POLITICS now.
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I so hate those signs behind the guys posing. When we ran shows there was a plain curtain behind the competitors.
Vince, was it you who reversed most of the photos from the 1980 Olympia?
I'm curious to know why anyone would do that.
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Thanks for proving my point. Not sure who this is but this is wide for a BB.
Chicks waist is bigger than is chest...and what the hell happened to his Lats/Back??? Ran away and never came back.
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I like Bob....so Bob...don't take this the wrong way.
I guess to some extent....the goals of most professional body builders is to win contests or to be one of the best built men (if not on stage) at least one point in their life.
Guys like.....
Arnold
Zane
Yates
Coleman
Mentzer
Shawn Ray
Levrone
Flex
Will be remembered as one of the 'greats' with...or without winning an Olympia Title. These guys were well respected amongst their peers & will be remembered like some of the other pioneers like Steve Reeves for years & years to come. They made a permanent mark in Body Building History.
Bob...you'll be most remembered as a Body Building Commentator. Now back when you were 13 & was an aspiring Body Builder....was that your true goal? Granted, we heard of alot of guys over the years botch up commentating but you do seem to do it well.
I guess where most people get their panties in a bunch is....
Here is you commentating negatively on one of the great names in Body Building. Where you yourself fell very short of making that mark...& pretty much share alot of the same structural faults you were making against him.
I guess it's different when a 16 year with a computer makes a negative comment against a legend in Body Building....than a fellow Pro Body Builder, IFBB Athletes Rep, & Body Building Commentator.
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I like Bob....so Bob...don't take this the wrong way.
I guess to some extent....the goals of most professional body builders is to win contests or to be one of the best built men (if not on stage) at least one point in their life.
Guys like.....
Arnold
Zane
Yates
Coleman
Mentzer
Shawn Ray
Levrone
Flex
Will be remembered as one of the 'greats' with...or without winning an Olympia Title. These guys were well respected amongst their peers & will be remembered like some of the other pioneers like Steve Reeves for years & years to come. They made a permanent mark in Body Building History.
Bob...you'll be most remembered as a Body Building Commentator. Now back when you were 13 & was an aspiring Body Builder....was that your true goal? Granted, we heard of alot of guys over the years botch up commentating but you do seem to do it well.
I guess where most people get their panties in a bunch is....
Here is you commentating negatively on one of the great names in Body Building. Where you yourself fell very short of making that mark...& pretty much share alot of the same structural faults you were making against him.
I guess it's different when a 16 year with a computer makes a negative comment against a legend in Body Building....than a fellow Pro Body Builder, IFBB Athletes Rep, & Body Building Commentator.
Ouch! Some guy is gonna hurt when he reads this (he's got wide hips and he's not Mike Mentzer).
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I like Bob....so Bob...don't take this the wrong way.
I guess to some extent....the goals of most professional body builders is to win contests or to be one of the best built men (if not on stage) at least one point in their life.
Guys like.....
Arnold
Zane
Yates
Coleman
Mentzer
Shawn Ray
Levrone
Flex
Will be remembered as one of the 'greats' with...or without winning an Olympia Title. These guys were well respected amongst their peers & will be remembered like some of the other pioneers like Steve Reeves for years & years to come. They made a permanent mark in Body Building History.
Bob...you'll be most remembered as a Body Building Commentator. Now back when you were 13 & was an aspiring Body Builder....was that your true goal? Granted, we heard of alot of guys over the years botch up commentating but you do seem to do it well.
I guess where most people get their panties in a bunch is....
Here is you commentating negatively on one of the great names in Body Building. Where you yourself fell very short of making that mark...& pretty much share alot of the same structural faults you were making against him.
I guess it's different when a 16 year with a computer makes a negative comment against a legend in Body Building....than a fellow Pro Body Builder, IFBB Athletes Rep, & Body Building Commentator.
You don't have to be a Mr. Olympia to make an assessment of a physique. I made a comment asked to me, on If I believed Mentzer was better than Arnold at the 80 Olympia...my answer stands. EVERY pro has flaws, Mentzer included. Whether I was a better BB than he was, or couldn't stand on the same stage...is irrelevant. Arnold had weak hams and sloped shoulders, Plats had no arms, Haneys arms were too small for his back, Wheeler was narrow, Dillett couldn't hit his back, etc, etc....doesn't mean they weren't great BBers in their own respect.
I share none of the same flaws as Mantzer...never had a weak chest, big hips or ass. My flaws were hamstrings, front to back thickness detail/ conditioning.
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Ouch! Some guy is gonna hurt when he reads this (he's got wide hips and he's not Mike Mentzer).
Don't know who that is, but i"m sure he'll get over it...
Here's your "big hips"..LOL
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You don't have to be a Mr. Olympia to make an assessment of a physique. I made a comment asked to me, on If I believed Mentzer was better than Arnold at the 80 Olympia...my answer stands. EVERY pro has flaws, Mentzer included. Whether I was a better BB than he was, or couldn't stand on the same stage...is irrelevant. Arnold had weak hams and sloped shoulders, Plats had no arms, Haneys arms were too small for his back, Wheeler was narrow, Dillett couldn't hit his back, etc, etc....doesn't mean they weren't great BBers in their own respect.
I share none of the same flaws as Mantzer...never had a weak chest, big hips or ass. My flaws were hamstrings, front to back thickness detail/ conditioning.
Everything you said I agree...& see where you're coming from.....
except
Bob...be serious with yourself.....you're known in the body Building World has having wide hips & a biggish ass.
If you don't know that.....I guess thats what we've been trying to tell you.
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Don't know who that is, but i"m sure he'll get over it...
Here's your "big hips"..LOL
Awesome shot! To have that physique, been a National Champion, and now have a lucrative career, great family, not have to risk health on a daily basis..I'd say Bob is doing pretty good. Some here probably think he should throw away all that and risk his health to try and make top 10 at the O but I don't agree.
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Yes Bob is correct about Mentzer.
Oh yeah Bob, the question you asked Serge about his statement in Pumping Iron . . . I have a friend who reads lips ( she said the angle makes things a bit difficult ) but thinks Serge says " I think I can take you. " To which Arnold says " Keep looking." says pretty much the same thing in CC
The Beef
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not gonna read all pages but no he isnt correct
if all you got in criticism for mentzer is talk about a big ass and wide hips then you got nothing.
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Everything you said I agree...& see where you're coming from.....
except
Bob...be serious with yourself.....you're known in the body Building World has having wide hips & a biggish ass.
If you don't know that.....I guess thats what we've been trying to tell you.
I'm "known for having big hips and a big ass?"
Thats a new one...I've had many reviews written post shows by every writer in the world...never seen that assessment. Guess that one escaped the hundreds of writers and journalists over the years...LOL... I'm fuckin Copperfield!!
Smooth, definately...
BIG? No....
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Yes Bob is correct about Mentzer.
Oh yeah Bob, the question you asked Serge about his statement in Pumping Iron . . . I have a friend who reads lips ( she said the angle makes things a bit difficult ) but thinks Serge says " I think I can take you. " To which Arnold says " Keep looking." says pretty much the same thing in CC
The Beef
"Looks like I can take you..."
"Keep looking.."
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Awesome shot! To have that physique, been a National Champion, and now have a lucrative career, great family, not have to risk health on a daily basis..I'd say Bob is doing pretty good. Some here probably think he should throw away all that and risk his health to try and make top 10 at the O but I don't agree.
Hey guy, I hate to tell you this but $50K per year in So Cal is peanuts, and not what most people would call "lucrative".
HTH. ;D
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I'm "known for having big hips and a big ass?"
Thats a new one...I've had many reviews written post shows by every writer in the world...never seen that assessment. Guess that one escaped the hundreds of writers and journalists over the years...LOL... I'm fuckin Copperfield!!
Smooth, definately...
BIG? No....
As much of a stooge Chick is when it comes to the IFBB and the NPC there is no arguing with him here;
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=209862.0;attach=245715;image)
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Yes Bob is correct about Mentzer.
Oh yeah Bob, the question you asked Serge about his statement in Pumping Iron . . . I have a friend who reads lips ( she said the angle makes things a bit difficult ) but thinks Serge says " I think I can take you. " To which Arnold says " Keep looking." says pretty much the same thing in CC
The Beef
Actually Serge says, "Looks like I can take you."
Arnold says, "Keep looking."
I wonder what it's like being Arnold and going through life owning everybody on a daily basis.
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I'm just disappointed that nobody has bothered to mention that Mentzer had the greatest mustache of any bodybuilder. Even better than Ed Corney. And it use to be that any discussion about Mentzer and HIT went on and on and invariably grew ugly. Now it seems that anything to do with Mentzer breeds controversy and bitterness. This does prove that wide hips or not, his impact on bodybuilding was tremendous.
But I think that even Mentzer has had enough.
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Narrow waist, broad shoulders, and beautiful mustache.
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I'm "known for having big hips and a big ass?"
Thats a new one...I've had many reviews written post shows by every writer in the world...never seen that assessment. Guess that one escaped the hundreds of writers and journalists over the years...LOL... I'm fuckin Copperfield!!
Smooth, definately...
BIG? No....
Well, maybe no one took the time to write it.
But it doesn't mean thats not what people are saying behind your back
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Mentzer can't touch this in a million years, this is what bodybuilding should be about.
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with 10 more pounds you could have done some serious damage bob
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I'm just disappointed that nobody has bothered to mention that Mentzer had the greatest mustache of any bodybuilder. Even better than Ed Corney. And it use to be that any discussion about Mentzer and HIT went on and on and invariably grew ugly. Now it seems that anything to do with Mentzer breeds controversy and bitterness. This does prove that wide hips or not, his impact on bodybuilding was tremendous.
But I think that even Mentzer has had enough.
good point
right on the money
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Hey guy, I hate to tell you this but $50K per year in So Cal is peanuts, and not what most people would call "lucrative".
HTH. ;D
Who are you..his accountant? How do you know what he makes?
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Who are you..his accountant? How do you know what he makes?
LOL...If only this fool knew....
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JohnnyVegas is taking a beating in this thread
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I love it...a simple question brought up by the thread starter, and the peanut gallery is out in full force with every comment EXCEPT what the true answer was.
The comment I made was on Metzners PHYSIQUE, not him as a person, not whether or not I knew him (I didn't)...I'll challenge anyone to post pictures to refute my comments...
Mentzer had a very good physique but his chest was lacking BIG TIME. And his shoulder-to-waist ratio was not that good (for a pro). And his back was OK but not great, same for his quads. Still, built an impressive physique.
It would be really cool to have a physique like this (and I think he looks much better than the current Mr. O):
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/mentzer/mm11.jpg)
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/mentzer/mm2.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/mikementzer/mi21.jpg)
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Chick, do you think Frank Zane should have beat Robby Robinson for the Mr. O. or any other contest? Robby made Zane look skinny, but still had excellent symmetry.
Robby and Padilla were better than either Mantzer or Zane. Admittedly Robinson was out of shape in 77 but still if anyone was deserving an Olympia it was those guys above all.
Mentzer lacked definition in certain areas like chest and arms, which spells heavy drug reliance and low sets. Conditioning was off a little in 80, looked a little too fleshy.
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On last weeks probodybuilding weekly, Bob inferred that Mike Mentzer was very overrated and possessed "child bearing hips, no chest and a big ass." Is Bob correct in his evaluation of the Mentzer physique?
Absolutely correct!
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I think Bob was just describing himself and got confused....
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Mentzer in 1979 when he lost to Zane
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Mentzer in 1980
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Bob has the best physique in that lineup. His FDB pose ranks right up there with the best.
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You're right...my bad
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=209862.0;attach=245190;image)
hahahaha, back in the day chic used to photoshop his own photos lol!
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On last weeks probodybuilding weekly, Bob inferred that Mike Mentzer was very overrated and possessed "child bearing hips, no chest and a big ass." Is Bob correct in his evaluation of the Mentzer physique?
I dont think Bob could beat Mentzer
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then you know fuck all... bob destroys him from every angle... and on those pics arnold is the only bodybuilder on the stage, unmatched thickness in the upper body, they all had shite legs back then..
i do think mentzer will always be an iconic bodybuilder tho..
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Mentzer was at the top of the heap amongst his peers and to be fair, we can only judge him in that regard. If one wanted to be really dicky about it, Mentzer had more success against his peers than Bob did against his, so in that regard Mentzer's Physique must of had someting going for it.
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(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/images/2006/06mastersbob_big.jpg)
:D :D :D :D :D
(http://www.ifbbpro.com/wp-content/uploads/image/2008/results/ironman_rustyjeffers.jpg)
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On last weeks probodybuilding weekly, Bob inferred that Mike Mentzer was very overrated and possessed "child bearing hips, no chest and a big ass." Is Bob correct in his evaluation of the Mentzer physique?
mentzer had great tris......excellent calves.......pretty darn good traps and shoulders......pretty decent back......and a small waist for a bigger man.....his only down fall was his lack of conditioning compared to zane and arnold.
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but bob was pretty darn good in his own right.
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On last weeks probodybuilding weekly, Bob inferred that Mike Mentzer was very overrated and possessed "child bearing hips, no chest and a big ass." Is Bob correct in his evaluation of the Mentzer physique?
Well it's easier to say it when the guy is dead. Of course you can always ask most people who has heard of Chic and who has heard of Mentzer.
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He just made a bodybuilding critique,nothing wrong with that.
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Dickerson should have won in 1980, with Zane, Callendar, Mentzer, and Coe all ahead of Arnold. Arnold won because of who he was, not what he presented on stage.
But when you have things happening like Arnold being best man at the promoters wedding, one of the judges (Reg Park, Arnolds mentor) actually coaching Arnold from the judges table, and Franco jumping on and off stage helping Arnold, what other outcome could be expected?
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Dickerson should have won in 1980, with Zane, Callendar, Mentzer, and Coe all ahead of Arnold. Arnold won because of who he was, not what he presented on stage.
But when you have things happening like Arnold being best man at the promoters wedding, one of the judges (Reg Park, Arnolds mentor) actually coaching Arnold from the judges table, and Franco jumping on and off stage helping Arnold, what other outcome could be expected?
VG post
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VG post
Agreed
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Dickerson should have won in 1980, with Zane, Callendar, Mentzer, and Coe all ahead of Arnold. Arnold won because of who he was, not what he presented on stage.
But when you have things happening like Arnold being best man at the promoters wedding, one of the judges (Reg Park, Arnolds mentor) actually coaching Arnold from the judges table, and Franco jumping on and off stage helping Arnold, what other outcome could be expected?
Nice to have you on here Chris :)
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Never been a big Dickerson fan but just based on the available pics I would put him just in front of Callendar, Coe, and Zane (in no particular order).
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Never been a big Dickerson fan but just based on the available pics I would put him just in front of Callendar, Coe, and Zane (in no particular order).
both zane and dickerson smoke arnold in that shot
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mentzer couldnt win the o because he was narrow and compact,,when you are narrow and compact you better have very big mesurments on the muscle and mentzer did not have it ,,he had a physiqe that reponnded very well to drugs but he tried to play the astetic game when in reality he was same as branch ,,thos guys look like local bodybuilders if they are not very big ansd thick ,,,,take the widness away and youll never win the big one or most likley any top pro show
Hmmmm, seems to me he won a few pro titles and his wt class ( over 200 lbs) at the Olympia.
I guess that never really happened and is my imagination
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Mentzer was at the top of the heap amongst his peers and to be fair, we can only judge him in that regard. If one wanted to be really dicky about it, Mentzer had more success against his peers than Bob did against his, so in that regard Mentzer's Physique must of had someting going for it.
I agree with the actual, objective fact, that Mentzer had a great record as a pro BB in his era.
He won shows and his wt class at the Olympia.
BUT, Bob Chic is quick to pt out , this was not a Bob vs Mentzer thread.
Here is an example of how some argue a pt here on get big.
1. fan thread -I think Mentzer should have won the 1980 Olympia.
2. getbig logical reply- Yeah, but you couldn't beat Mentzer so he should have lost.
or: yeah but you suck so stfu .....
wtf? ???
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Dickerson should have won in 1980, with Zane, Callendar, Mentzer, and Coe all ahead of Arnold. Arnold won because of who he was, not what he presented on stage.
But when you have things happening like Arnold being best man at the promoters wedding, one of the judges (Reg Park, Arnolds mentor) actually coaching Arnold from the judges table, and Franco jumping on and off stage helping Arnold, what other outcome could be expected?
Dickerson and Zane were dwarfed by Arnold.Coe was too blocky(weak back and shoulders,big waist,no abs...)to win the Olympia.Mentzer?Bob already described him...
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childbearing hips?
(http://digilander.libero.it/mikementzer/me10.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/mikementzer/k57.jpg)
he would have to have a C section no doubt about it...
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The 1980 ( and 81) Olympias will go down as very controversial contests with no clear , obvious winner.
Bob Chic may feel that Mentzer had some legit flaws in his physique which is all part of the game.
I know that Mentzer had flaws but for his day, he had one of the best pro physiques on stage.
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On last weeks probodybuilding weekly, Bob inferred that Mike Mentzer was very overrated and possessed "child bearing hips, no chest and a big ass." Is Bob correct in his evaluation of the Mentzer physique?
he was having a very great phyisque, as will as his brother, but he was conceited. May God rest his Soil in Peace.
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I fear Bob maybe going the sameway as Mentzer, people always hate people who share similar negative traits to them, Bob may soon be seen wondering round Venice beach, high on (yet more) illegal drugs, talking to himself.
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So people really think BOB is better then MIKE MENTZER?
Here's their records for comparison.
MENTZER
1971 Mr. America - AAU, 10th
1971 Teen Mr America - AAU, 2nd
1975 Mr. America - IFBB, Medium, 3rd
1975 Mr. USA - ABBA, Medium, 2nd
1976 Mr. America - IFBB, Overall Winner
1976 Mr. America - IFBB, Medium, 1st
1976 Mr. Universe - IFBB, MiddleWeight, 2nd
1977 North American Championships - IFBB, Overall Winner
1977 North American Championships - IFBB, MiddleWeight, 1st
1977 Mr. Universe - IFBB, HeavyWeight, 2nd
1978 USA vs the World - IFBB, HeavyWeight, 1st
1978 World Amateur Championships - IFBB, HeavyWeight, 1st
1979 Canada Pro Cup - IFBB, 2nd
1979 Florida Pro Invitational - IFBB, 1st
1979 Night of Champions - IFBB, 3rd
1979 Mr. Olympia - IFBB, HeavyWeight (over 200 pounds) 1st, Overall 2nd
1979 Pittsburgh Pro Invitational - IFBB, 2nd
1979 Southern Pro Cup - IFBB, 1st
1980 Mr. Olympia - IFBB, 5th
CHICK
1981 Natural America, Teen Tall, 4th
1983 AAU Mr New York State, Teen Tall, 1st and Overall
1987 NPC Junior Nationals, HeavyWeight, 1st and Overall
1987 NPC Nationals, Heavyweight, 5th
1988 NPC USA Championships, Heavyweight, 8th
1989 NPC Nationals, Heavyweight, 4th
1989 North American Championships, Heavyweight, 4th
1989 NPC USA Championships, Heavyweight, 2nd
1990 NPC Nationals, Light-Heavyweight, 5th
1993 NPC USA Championships, Heavyweight, 8th
1995 NPC USA Championships, Heavyweight, 15th
1996 NPC Nationals, Heavyweight, 8th
1999 NPC Nationals, Heavyweight, 2nd
2000 NPC USA Championships, Super-Heavyweight, 1st and Overall
2001 Night of Champions, 11th
2001 Toronto Pro Invitational, 5th
2002 Night of Champions, 2nd
2002 Mr. Olympia, 18th
2002 Show of Strength Pro Championship, 7th
2002 Southwest Pro Cup, 2nd
2003 Night of Champions, 6th
2004 Arnold Classic, 11th
2004 Ironman Pro Invitational, 8th
2005 New York Pro Championships, 8th
2005 San Francisco Pro Invitational, 9th
2006 Masters Pro World, 1st
Compare their 5 years as pros together, and the numbers don't lie.
Personal feelings aside, Mentzer > Bob Chick
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Mentzer= 19 contests in 9 years (twice finished above 3rd)
Bob= 26 contests in 25 years (finished 18 times above 3rd)
What does this mean? I have no idea. I forgot
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Mentzer= 19 contests in 9 years (twice finished above 3rd)
Bob= 26 contests in 25 years (finished 18 times above 3rd)
What does this mean? I have no idea. I forgot
Well, that works too, but i was just comparing their 5 years competing as PROS. Obviously Mentzer was the more accomplished bodybuilder...
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Please...
Mentzer; Magnificent
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Mentzer; Magnificent
What a well thought out and quality contribution to a great thread!
::) ::) ::)
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I'm just disappointed that nobody has bothered to mention that Mentzer had the greatest mustache of any bodybuilder. Even better than Ed Corney. And it use to be that any discussion about Mentzer and HIT went on and on and invariably grew ugly. Now it seems that anything to do with Mentzer breeds controversy and bitterness. This does prove that wide hips or not, his impact on bodybuilding was tremendous.
But I think that even Mentzer has had enough.
Are you suggesting that with that mustache he sported that he was indeed a NARC? He does look like a cop to me so I hear where your coming from...And as we all know most cops are fucking drunks so if the shoe fits :-\
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(http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x263/timeamajorova/chickypoo.jpg)
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Mentzer had a very good physique but his chest was lacking BIG TIME. And his shoulder-to-waist ratio was not that good (for a pro). And his back was OK but not great, same for his quads. Still, built an impressive physique.
Mentzers back was a weak point IMO, very little width or detail and no thickness to speak of.
(http://digilander.libero.it/mikementzer/mi6.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/mikementzer/m75.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/mikementzer/mi4.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/mikementzer/k72.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/mikementzer/m65.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/mikementzer/m43.jpg)
As good as Mentzer looked by himself the fact is he was only 5'7, and like any good short guy he just got dwarfed by the big boys (like Arnold and Tinerino) during a contest.
(http://www.builtreport.com/1980olympia/036.jpg)
(http://www.builtreport.com/1980olympia/011.jpg)
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Well, that works too, but i was just comparing their 5 years competing as PROS. Obviously Mentzer was the more accomplished bodybuilder...
Mentzer competed only 2 years as a PRO-79 and 80 and he won only 1 PRO contest-Florida Pro Invitational,his PRO debut!
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Mentzer competed only 2 years as a PRO-79 and 80 and he won only 1 PRO contest-Florida Pro Invitational,his PRO debut!
75-80 in IFBB shows for Mentzer... Overall placings were higher. He also had shows where he scored a perfect 300.
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75-80 in IFBB shows for Mentzer... Overall placings were higher. He also had shows where he scored a perfect 300.
75-78 he competed as an amateur!However,I do agree,that Mentzer accomplished more as a competitor than Bob(although not by much),but that's not the idea of the topic.The idea was that Mentzer is overrated,bodybuilders with better physiques and more titles than Mike don't get half his recognition.
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On last weeks probodybuilding weekly, Bob inferred that Mike Mentzer was very overrated and possessed "child bearing hips, no chest and a big ass." Is Bob correct in his evaluation of the Mentzer physique?
Certainly.
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On last weeks probodybuilding weekly, Bob inferred that Mike Mentzer was very overrated and possessed "child bearing hips, no chest and a big ass." Is Bob correct in his evaluation of the Mentzer physique?
It took more than 20 years abusing drugs for Bob to get an IFBB pro card and finally did it with a poor lineup
Mike in his 20 won IFBB major contest with perfect score and was runner up at the O
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It took more than 20 years abusing drugs for Bob to get an IFBB pro card and finally did it with a poor lineup
Mike in his 20 won IFBB major contest with perfect score and was runner up at the O
Mentzer will be remembered like it or not. Will Bob..?
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Mentzer will be remembered like it or not. Will Bob..?
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60% carbs gonna 60% carbs
- Mentzer
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That guy in this thread was confident Nasser would die sometime soon and nailed it.