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Getbig Main Boards => Politics and Political Issues Board => Topic started by: McFarland on September 11, 2008, 06:09:38 PM
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I'm getting the impression that if Obama becomes president the government's going to be expecting us to do alot of stuff for ourselves. He was praising the way many smaller and he said even "medium-sized" cities are being served exclusively by volunteer fire departments. He kept talking about all of these "community service opportunities" that he has envisioned for the country. Doesn't he realize that "community service" is also a known punishment to criminals around these parts? :D
I just don't know how many people are actually gonna want that. Am I interpretting this right? ???
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don't listen to that porch monkey.
Are you saying that you will not find this song on your workout playlist, "Power Rod?" ???
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Are you saying that you will not find this song on your workout playlist, "Power Rod?" ???
most likely not, "mcfarland".
more likely something like this:
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Hate to say it Jeff, but you are pretty stupid in this area.
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Be ready to have money taken away from you and "redistrubuted" to "poor" communities.
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I'm getting the impression that if Obama becomes president the government's going to be expecting us to do alot of stuff for ourselves. He was praising the way many smaller and he said even "medium-sized" cities are being served exclusively by volunteer fire departments. He kept talking about all of these "community service opportunities" that he has envisioned for the country. Doesn't he realize that "community service" is also a known punishment to criminals around these parts? :D
I just don't know how many people are actually gonna want that. Am I interpretting this right? ???
Obama's people arn't into community service, more like the community servicing them, allah free healthcare and free place to stay, free food, you get the point :)
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Be ready to have money taken away from you and "redistrubuted" to "poor" communities.
Wrong. Mccain`s tax plan is worse. Under Obama 95 percent of Americans will get a tax break.
www.obamataxcut.com
You can enter your income and compare.
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He really ignores the working class in the Democratic Party.
You can't assume every Dem is a college student on the 10 year plan.
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I'm getting the impression that if Obama becomes president the government's going to be expecting us to do alot of stuff for ourselves. He was praising the way many smaller and he said even "medium-sized" cities are being served exclusively by volunteer fire departments. He kept talking about all of these "community service opportunities" that he has envisioned for the country. Doesn't he realize that "community service" is also a known punishment to criminals around these parts? :D
I just don't know how many people are actually gonna want that. Am I interpretting this right? ???
You are not interpreting anything correctly here. Do you know the difference between mandatory and volunteer?
Every single police force is volunteer. Every single Fire Department is volunteer. What Obama is proposing, is anyone who wants to do 2 years of this type of work is elegible for their College being paid for.
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Obama's people arn't into community service, more like the community servicing them, allah free healthcare and free place to stay, free food, you get the point :)
Right but that stuff would essentially be coming from putting people to work for free, right? For example, by stopping pay for firefighters and homeless shelter employees they would fund the healthcare more? It sounds basically like he's gonna put the people to work for free who would be relying on those services in the first place. Because very few with the ability to make significant money is gonna work for free, IMO.
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relying on community service or volunteerism is bullshit, the rich elitist feed the middle class all that sentimentality, often through Hollywood, so that the middle class do all the work for free and take care of the poor while they laugh all the way to the bank, its bullshit...they should get PAID.
its like a buddy of mine works for FOX and he was all happy to comply with their request for recycling and "caring" about the environment...its bullshit...large corporations cause so much goddamn pollution, and to put it on the backs of some small office workers is total bullshit.
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Wrong. Mccain`s tax plan is worse. Under Obama 95 percent of Americans will get a tax break.
www.obamataxplan.com
You can enter your income and compare.
Good info, unfortunately our income combined, we fall in that 5%...
I was refereing to "social programs" more than income tax thought...
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You are not interpreting anything correctly here. Do you know the difference between mandatory and volunteer?
Every single police force is volunteer. Every single Fire Department is volunteer. What Obama is proposing, is anyone who wants to do 2 years of this type of work is elegible for their College being paid for.
Ah. Interesting. I'm just now getting into this Adam.
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Right but that stuff would essentially be coming from putting people to work for free, right? For example, by stopping pay for firefighters and homeless shelter employees they would fund the healthcare more? It sounds basically like he's gonna put the people to work for free who would be relying on those services in the first place. Because very few with the ability to make significant money is gonna work for free, IMO.
Wrong.
Nobody is stopping pay for anyone. By closing corporate tax loopholes, Pulling out of Iraq, Getting rid of the programs that don`t work there is more than enough money to work with.
Republican Senator Hatch and Democratic Senator Kennedy are the ones who created this community service bill. IT is bi-partisan. John Mccain said TONIGHT at the Columbia University Forum that he would sign it.
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good rich people should pay more taxes than poor people, poor people get stuck in poverty and can't get out, rich people can spare some change for helping them, freaking greedy rich
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Obama's people arn't into community service, more like the community servicing them, allah free healthcare and free place to stay, free food, you get the point :)
Exactly. The people who work will have less. The lazy have a sweet deal coming.
Liberalism. Socialism. Marxism. Communism.
There is no difference. Different words used for what is the same thing. It's done to throw the average Joe and Jane off as to what they are. The new one is Progressive. New word. Same meaning.
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relying on community service or volunteerism is bullshit, the rich elitist feed the middle class all that sentimentality, often through Hollywood, so that the middle class do all the work for free and take care of the poor while they laugh all the way to the bank, its bullshit...they should get PAID.
its like a buddy of mine works for FOX and he was all happy to comply with their request for recycling and "caring" about the environment...its bullshit...large corporations cause so much goddamn pollution, and to put it on the backs of some small office workers is total bullshit.
They do and will get paid.
Kennedy to introduce sweeping national service bill
September 11, 2008 03:22 PM
By Susan Milligan, Globe Staff
NEW YORK -- Senator Edward M. Kennedy, sidelined from the Senate as he undergoes treatment for a malignant brain tumor, plans to introduce a sweeping new national service bill tomorrow to recruit 175,000 Americans of all ages to do service work in health, education, environmental protection and anti-poverty programs, with their work partly subsidized by the federal government.
The plan, meant to build on national service initiatives that began under former President Kennedy and expanded under former Presidents George H. W. Bush and Bill Clinton, would provide an estimated $5 billion over five years to encourage citizens from kindergarteners to retirees to get involved in community organizations -- including faith-based groups -- on a series of programs targeted at national problems.
The new corps members would be paid modest salaries to spend a year working on specific national problems. Employers would be eligible for tax cuts for giving workers time off to do community service, while a new venture capital fund would also be created to boost the creation of new service organizations.
The measure is the first major piece of legislation the ailing Massachusetts lawmaker has presented since being diagnosed with a brain tumor in May. While the senator does not plan to return to Washington full-time until January, staff and colleagues say he has been working assiduously from his home in Cape Cod, following legislation, talking to fellow senators, and sponsoring amendments to bills.
The service plan - crafted by Kennedy over the past eight months with Senator Orrin Hatch, Republican of Utah -- is meant to marry the two parties' often competing approaches to community service, encouraging the volunteerism advocated by many Republicans while providing federal financial assistance requested by some Democrats.
"What this bill is saying is, we need both,'' said Alan Khazei, founder of City Year, a Boston-based youth community service group and a chief advocate of the new bill.
The measure will be unveiled tomorrow in concert with a national symposium on national service in New York. Former President Bush -- who initiated a "1,000 Points of Light'' program to encourage volunteerism -- and former President Clinton, who helped create Americorp, a federally funded program to encourage national service -- are set to appear in videos touting the benefits of community work. Caroline Kennedy, daughter of President Kennedy, is scheduled to be at the event along with Queen Noor of Jordan, dozens of military officials and numerous members of Congress and community activists.
Current national service programs are working well, Kennedy staffers said, and the new plan would build on them. The Peace Corps, President Kennedy's program to help developing countries with basic needs, would also be expanded.
But the new plan, staffers said on condition of anonymity, would be aimed at people of all ages. While many volunteer programs now attract young college graduates willing to work for low salaries before settling into better-paid job, the Kennedy-Hatch plan would give older Baby Boomers an opportunity to take time off for community service, perhaps transitioning into a second career.
Retired people generally not sought out by community service organizations would be encouraged to get involved and eligible for an "Encore Fellowship'' to extend their tenures beyond one year. Schoolchildren, meanwhile, would be taught to incorporate a "lifetime of service'' into their lives, starting with smaller efforts such as food drives, aides said.
Kennedy has been absent from Washington since May, except for a single appearance to cast a dramatic, determinate vote on a measure to block scheduled cuts in Medicare payments to doctors. The Massachusetts lawmaker also made a powerful speech at the Democratic National Convention last month in Denver, despite having awoken the morning of his address with kidney stones.
But Kennedy has continued to work despite his illness, issuing dozens of statements and signing onto several bills and amendments since he became ill.
Khazei said Kennedy has been working on the national service plan consistently since January, eager to take advantage of interest shown by both John McCain and Barack Obama, their parties' respective presidential nominees.
"He hasn't skipped a beat. He hasn't missed a day. He get more done from the Cape than most of us do in a week,'' Khazei said. "He's a hero.''
"It's appropriate that he's doing legislation on public service, because Ted Kennedy symbolizes public service," said Representative Jim McGovern, a Worcester Democrat. "It's inspiring."
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Exactly. The people who work will have less. The lazy have a sweet deal coming.
Liberalism. Socialism. Marxism. Communism.
There is no difference. Different words used for what is the same thing. It's done to throw the average Joe and Jane off as to what they are. The new one is Progressive. New word. Same meaning.
Clearly you have no clue about anything regarding government. I can help you not be so ignorant if you like.
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They do and will get paid.
Kennedy to introduce sweeping national service bill
September 11, 2008 03:22 PM
By Susan Milligan, Globe Staff
NEW YORK -- Senator Edward M. Kennedy, sidelined from the Senate as he undergoes treatment for a malignant brain tumor, plans to introduce a sweeping new national service bill tomorrow to recruit 175,000 Americans of all ages to do service work in health, education, environmental protection and anti-poverty programs, with their work partly subsidized by the federal government.
The plan, meant to build on national service initiatives that began under former President Kennedy and expanded under former Presidents George H. W. Bush and Bill Clinton, would provide an estimated $5 billion over five years to encourage citizens from kindergarteners to retirees to get involved in community organizations -- including faith-based groups -- on a series of programs targeted at national problems.
The new corps members would be paid modest salaries to spend a year working on specific national problems. Employers would be eligible for tax cuts for giving workers time off to do community service, while a new venture capital fund would also be created to boost the creation of new service organizations.
The measure is the first major piece of legislation the ailing Massachusetts lawmaker has presented since being diagnosed with a brain tumor in May. While the senator does not plan to return to Washington full-time until January, staff and colleagues say he has been working assiduously from his home in Cape Cod, following legislation, talking to fellow senators, and sponsoring amendments to bills.
The service plan - crafted by Kennedy over the past eight months with Senator Orrin Hatch, Republican of Utah -- is meant to marry the two parties' often competing approaches to community service, encouraging the volunteerism advocated by many Republicans while providing federal financial assistance requested by some Democrats.
"What this bill is saying is, we need both,'' said Alan Khazei, founder of City Year, a Boston-based youth community service group and a chief advocate of the new bill.
The measure will be unveiled tomorrow in concert with a national symposium on national service in New York. Former President Bush -- who initiated a "1,000 Points of Light'' program to encourage volunteerism -- and former President Clinton, who helped create Americorp, a federally funded program to encourage national service -- are set to appear in videos touting the benefits of community work. Caroline Kennedy, daughter of President Kennedy, is scheduled to be at the event along with Queen Noor of Jordan, dozens of military officials and numerous members of Congress and community activists.
Current national service programs are working well, Kennedy staffers said, and the new plan would build on them. The Peace Corps, President Kennedy's program to help developing countries with basic needs, would also be expanded.
But the new plan, staffers said on condition of anonymity, would be aimed at people of all ages. While many volunteer programs now attract young college graduates willing to work for low salaries before settling into better-paid job, the Kennedy-Hatch plan would give older Baby Boomers an opportunity to take time off for community service, perhaps transitioning into a second career.
Retired people generally not sought out by community service organizations would be encouraged to get involved and eligible for an "Encore Fellowship'' to extend their tenures beyond one year. Schoolchildren, meanwhile, would be taught to incorporate a "lifetime of service'' into their lives, starting with smaller efforts such as food drives, aides said.
Kennedy has been absent from Washington since May, except for a single appearance to cast a dramatic, determinate vote on a measure to block scheduled cuts in Medicare payments to doctors. The Massachusetts lawmaker also made a powerful speech at the Democratic National Convention last month in Denver, despite having awoken the morning of his address with kidney stones.
But Kennedy has continued to work despite his illness, issuing dozens of statements and signing onto several bills and amendments since he became ill.
Khazei said Kennedy has been working on the national service plan consistently since January, eager to take advantage of interest shown by both John McCain and Barack Obama, their parties' respective presidential nominees.
"He hasn't skipped a beat. He hasn't missed a day. He get more done from the Cape than most of us do in a week,'' Khazei said. "He's a hero.''
"It's appropriate that he's doing legislation on public service, because Ted Kennedy symbolizes public service," said Representative Jim McGovern, a Worcester Democrat. "It's inspiring."
Could you paraphrase this for me?
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it sounds nice but believe me the workers will be getting ripped off and told they should enjoy the internal feeling of "reward" of doing something good....trust me there will be no rich people signing up for those assignments unless the feel like slumming it for a few months until its time to hide away in the Hamptons.
its like bloomberg telling teachers they dont deserve more money because they get the benefit of the reward of helping children that he doesnt get on a day to day basis....unbelievable.
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Could you paraphrase this for me?
Why don`t you read it?
That is your main problem lately, you aren`t willing to take the time to read and then comprehend what you read.
Why not spend some time with the facts and evidence rather than assume and then create a fictious or biased notion derived from yourself or something "you heard in passing".
The problem with most people in society is that they don`t like facts and evidence. It is a frightening trend.
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it sounds nice but believe me the workers will be getting ripped off and told they should enjoy the internal feeling of "reward" of doing something good....trust me there will be no rich people signing up for those assignments unless the feel like slumming it for a few months until its time to hide away in the Hamptons.
its like bloomberg telling teachers they dont deserve more money because they get the benefit of the reward of helping children that he doesnt get on a day to day basis....unbelievable.
Yeah that's kinda what I'm thinking. Plus just how hard are college kids gonna be working on these "problems" if they're just there to get their 3 hours so they get their check at the beginning of the semester? All those "jobs" might be jokes I'm thinking, not really getting much done?
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it sounds nice but believe me the workers will be getting ripped off and told they should enjoy the internal feeling of "reward" of doing something good....trust me there will be no rich people signing up for those assignments unless the feel like slumming it for a few months until its time to hide away in the Hamptons.
its like bloomberg telling teachers they dont deserve more money because they get the benefit of the reward of helping children that he doesnt get on a day to day basis....unbelievable.
It is NOT designed for wealthy people per se`, although they are free to sign up. It is specifically targeted to anyone who would like the opportunity to serve their country, get some spending money and at the same time not have to worry about how they are going to have to pay for college.
If someone feels like they aren`t being paid enough, they are more than welcome to not sign up, or to stop at any time and go elsewhere. I don`t get your objection.
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It's just another way to indoctrinate them into becoming ultra left wingers on the taxpayer’s dime. As if the public education system in this country doesn't do enough of it. ::)
Clearly you have no clue about anything regarding government. I can help you not be so ignorant if you like.
No thanks. I have no tolerance for liberal propaganda. It nauseates me. :P
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Wrong.
Nobody is stopping pay for anyone. By closing corporate tax loopholes, Pulling out of Iraq, Getting rid of the programs that don`t work there is more than enough money to work with.
Republican Senator Hatch and Democratic Senator Kennedy are the ones who created this community service bill. IT is bi-partisan. John Mccain said TONIGHT at the Columbia University Forum that he would sign it.
So John McCain's just as for this plan as Obama is?
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I understand that this program is differnet cause it offers pay and isnt forces anyone to do anything.....but i can bet you that this program will be directly marketed to the middle class and middle class retirerees, there will be dumbed down tug at the heart strings commercials in between sitcoms and sport events, there will be guilt ridden posters on bus stops and subway stations....the wall streeters will laugh and the common men and women will sign up to "some good"...honestly anyone working class or middle class in this economy should demand raises and save every penny and use every hour of their day trying to get ahead.
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Yeah that's kinda what I'm thinking. Plus just how hard are college kids gonna be working on these "problems" if they're just there to get their 3 hours so they get their check at the beginning of the semester? All those "jobs" might be jokes I'm thinking, not really getting much done?
Again, that is an ignorant statement to make. Most Europeans have this system in place and the type of jobs are far ranging and not exactly easy. A lot take place in clinical settings as orderlies, Humane Societies, even trash collecting.
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So John McCain's just as for this plan as Obama is?
Yep.
You can watch on any of the News websites tonights Columbia Forum and I implore that you do so.
Here is a link in case you want to watch. Watch both Mccain and Obama.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/22886841#22886841
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I understand that this program is differnet cause it offers pay and isnt forces anyone to do anything.....but i can bet you that this program will be directly marketed to the middle class and middle class retirerees, there will be dumbed down tug at the heart strings commercials in between sitcoms and sport events, there will be guilt ridden posters on bus stops and subway stations....the wall streeters will laugh and the common men and women will sign up to "some good"...honestly anyone working class or middle class in this economy should demand raises and save every penny and use every hour of their day trying to get ahead.
I probably agree with you on this part.
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Again, that is an ignorant statement to make. Most Europeans have this system in place and the type of jobs are far ranging and not exactly easy. A lot take place in clinical settings as orderlies, Humane Societies, even trash collecting.
So these are not only low-paying jobs, but hard jobs?
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I understand that this program is differnet cause it offers pay and isnt forces anyone to do anything.....but i can bet you that this program will be directly marketed to the middle class and middle class retirerees, there will be dumbed down tug at the heart strings commercials in between sitcoms and sport events, there will be guilt ridden posters on bus stops and subway stations....the wall streeters will laugh and the common men and women will sign up to "some good"...honestly anyone working class or middle class in this economy should demand raises and save every penny and use every hour of their day trying to get ahead.
And this is a problem because.....
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So these are not only low-paying jobs, but hard jobs?
Depends on the job and what skills you have.
From Today:
McCain, Obama come together on National service
Story Highlights
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Sens. John McCain and Barack Obama spoke about the importance of national service during a Thursday forum sponsored by TIME at Columbia University in New York.
The presidential canidates put aside partisan politics as the nation remembers the terrorist attacks.
The presidential candidates took the stage separately, a coin toss determining who took questions first from moderators TIME Managing Editor Rick Stengel and PBS's Judy Woodruff.
Woodruff first asked McCain why it seems the terror attacks of September 11, 2001, are "fading" in the minds of many Americans.
"We needed at that time [September 11, 2001] to take advantage of the unity in the United States of America," he said. "We weren't Republicans on September 11. We weren't Democrats. We were Americans."
McCain also said he suspects the American people feel uninspired by leaders in Washington and repeated the 2008 campaign trail mantra that they crave change in federal government. Americans more than ever appreciate that we live in a global political environment where isolationist tendencies no longer apply, he said.
"They understand the challenges we have in this world," he said, pointing to Russia's recent invasion of Georgia, and "problems growing larger" in Afghanistan. "How is it that we can inspire people? ... We have to reform government. We have to reform the way we're doing business."
McCain was asked what role the federal government should play in national service -- private, public and military.
He praised the Peacecorps and AmeriCorps, saying they and similar organizations don't receive "sufficient recognition" from Washington. But McCain was careful to say government should limit its involvement in largely private volunteer organizations.
"I'd be glad to spend money but I don't think that should be the first priority ..."
Government has a "distinct" role but he said he "wants to be careful about expanding it."
The GOP candidate also fielded a question about his running mate Gov. Sarah Palin's dismissive comments about Obama's community service in Illinois.
"Look, this is a tough business," McCain said, saying Sen. Obama set the tone of the race when he turned down McCain's offer to participate together in town hall meetings across the United States.
"Of course I respect community organizers who serve their community," McCain said, calling Obama's community organizing in inner-city Chicago "outstanding."
"I praise anyone who serves this nation in that capacity."
Obama said his views don't really differ from McCain's on national service.
"America is the greatest country on earth but it didn't just happen on its own," said Obama, saying later as McCain said, that a person's income doesn't necessarily indicate whether they will have the time or the inclination to volunteer. "What has built this country is people who participate in public service that extend beyond our immediate self interest."
Obama said that on Friday he will announce a citizenship volunteer program to help young people of modest means to get involved in their community as he did years ago.
"The fact is we have to have to have government," Obama said. "When a hurricane strikes as it did with Katrina, we have to have a FEMA that works which means we should be encouraging young people to get involved as civil servants" capable of doing the job well.
"That doesn't crowd out the Red Cross or thousands of church groups that went down there [to New Orleans]," he continued. "The Peacecorps does not crowd out need for [other] service overseas."
The forum is part of a two-day summit meant to promote national service. Nearly 500 leaders from business, foundations, universities and politics are meeting to "celebrate the power and potential of citizen service" and lay out a plan to address "America's greatest social challenges through expanded opportunities for volunteer and national service," according to the organizers' Web site.
Each presidential candidate has served his nation in different ways. McCain was a Navy officer for over two decades and often encourages Americans to serve a "cause greater than oneself."
Obama served as a community organizer in the South Side of Chicago after he graduated from college. In a speech in December, the Illinois Democrat said he would ask for Americans' service if he becomes president. "This will be the cause of my presidency," he said.
Today's joint appearance comes amid recent sniping between the campaigns.
McCain's campaign recently attacked Obama for "lipstick" remarks made during a campaign stop in Virginia on Tuesday.
"John McCain says he's about change too, and so I guess his whole angle is, 'Watch out George Bush -- except for economic policy, health care policy, tax policy, education policy, foreign policy and Karl Rove-style politics -- we're really going to shake things up in Washington,' " he said.
"That's not change. That's just calling ... the same thing something different. You know you can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig. You know you can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called change, it's still going to stink after eight years. We've had enough of the same old thing." Watch how tensions are rising on the trail »
The crowd erupted in applause when Obama delivered the line. McCain's campaign said Obama's remarks were offensive and a slap at vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin, despite the fact that the Arizona senator himself used the phrase last year to describe a policy proposal of Hillary Clinton's.
Obama shot back Wednesday and accused the McCain campaign of engaging in "lies" and "swift boat politics."
"I don't care what they say about me. But I love this country too much to let them take over another election with lies and phony outrage and swift boat politics," he said in Norfolk, Virginia. "Enough is enough." Watch Obama deliver his harsh words »
The phrase "swift boat" comes from the 2004 presidential election, when the group "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" launched an attack ad campaign against Democratic candidate John Kerry that was said by some to be false.
But the two presidential candidates agreed to put aside partisan politics on Thursday. They appeared together in New York to lay a wreath at ground zero, where the World Trade Center towers collapsed after two airliners hijacked by al Qaeda operatives plowed into them on September 11, 2001.
The two met with families of victims as well as state and local officials.
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Exactly. The people who work will have less. The lazy have a sweet deal coming.
Liberalism. Socialism. Marxism. Communism.
There is no difference. Different words used for what is the same thing. It's done to throw the average Joe and Jane off as to what they are. The new one is Progressive. New word. Same meaning.
you mean the the lazy guy that gets up at 2am and picks up your 50 lb garbage can in the pouring rain making 35 k a yr will have a sweet deal of an extra thousand in his pocket?
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And this is a problem because.....
because you wont see any ads on 5th Avenue or in rich neighborhoods or downtown Wall Street, guaranteed.... and you wont see the
commercials during "This week on Wall Street" or on A&E. I see this all the time from the newspapers to Madison Avenue, everything is dumbed down to try to get the middle class to either buy something or do something...its so obvious its embarrasing.
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you mean the the lazy guy that gets up at 2am and picks up your 50 lb garbage can in the pouring rain making 35 k a yr will have a sweet deal of an extra thousand in his pocket?
I didn't tell him to become a trash collector. That's what's great about this country. If you don't like your job, well, you can get a new one. If you don't meet the qualifications, well, you can go back to school.
And his extra one thousand dollars shouldn't come out of my pocket. That is wealth redistribution...and it's communism.
We call this place a democracy. Technically, it is a representative republic, but you get the idea.
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you mean the the lazy guy that gets up at 2am and picks up your 50 lb garbage can in the pouring rain making 35 k a yr will have a sweet deal of an extra thousand in his pocket?
absolutely and the warm fuzzy feeling of giving back to society :-X
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because you wont see any ads on 5th Avenue or in rich neighborhoods or downtown Wall Street, guaranteed.... and you wont see the
commercials during "This week on Wall Street" or on A&E. I see this all the time from the newspapers to Madison Avenue, everything is dumbed down to try to get the middle class to either buy something or do something...its so obvious its embarrasing.
That has nothing to do with the actual "meat" of the program though.
It is up to the citizens to a large degree to educate themselves and others on the benefits of national service. Perhaps a national service job will include designing better advertising campaigns for promotion. Disaster relief is one segment of volunteer jobs which intriguing as well, given the stretch the National Guard is currently facing in many states.
Both Barack Obama and John Mccain at least agree on the extreme importance of National Service and how it will help those in the future. As a Barack supporter, I can applaud John Mccain`s willingness in this area and I hope Mccain can actually use this as an issue to campaign with instead of the politics of fear.
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Well maybe McCain's just going along with it until he gets elected and won't harp on it through his whole presidency. Any chance that Obama would be more likely to harp on it through his whole presidency?
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I didn't tell him to become a trash collector. That's what's great about this country. If you don't like your job, well, you can get a new one. If you don't meet the qualifications, well, you can go back to school.
And his extra one thousand dollars shouldn't come out of my pocket. That is wealth redistribution...and it's communism.
We call this place a democracy. Technically, it is a representative republic, but you get the idea.
Under an Obama Tax plan, you will be able to keep more of your money than with Mccain.
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Well maybe McCain's just going along with it until he gets elected and won't harp on it through his whole presidency. Any chance that Obama would be more likely to harp on it through his whole presidency?
The Kennedy-Hatch bill will be passed regardless of who is in office.
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Wrong. Mccain`s tax plan is worse. Under Obama 95 percent of Americans will get a tax break.
www.obamataxplan.com
You can enter your income and compare.
where on this site can you compare the plans? Its just a giant search engine.
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The Kennedy-Hatch bill will be passed regardless of who is in office.
OK, so this is pretty much a non-issue then. Alright well thanks for pointing out some of the stuff you have.
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where on this site can you compare the plans? Its just a giant search engine.
Im sorry, the site is
www.obamataxcut.com
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Under an Obama Tax plan, you will be able to keep more of your money than with Mccain.
Actually, I considered a rich guy by Hussein's standards.
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Actually, I considered a rich guy by Hussein's standards.
So you are in the 1-5 percent of Americans that make over 250,000 dollars a year? 95 percent of America does not make that much.
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Im sorry, the site is
www.obamataxcut.com
haaaaaa that means A23 did not even read the site when he agreed with you!
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my name obama im a bwack man bote for me cus I giv ya wat ya want ya heard me
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So you are in the 1-5 percent of Americans that make over 250,000 dollars a year? 95 percent of America does not make that much.
True.
However, I'll bet Obama will still raise taxes on them. He is lying when he says he won't. It's just like Bill Clinton. He said he was going to give the middle class a tax cut. Then in 93' he said he "crunched the numbers" and he "just couln't do it." He then proceeded to create the biggest overall tax hike in American history.
In fact, you have to go all the way back to JFK to find a Democrat who actually cut taxes. That was 47 years ago.
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I openly admit that obammers will indeed, take from the rich and give to the poor. I'm poor... me and wife combined make 70k... so it'll benefit me. I'll take the extra 700 or whatever it'll be... not a huge amount to he honest.
plus obama's a gungrabber too. I don' tlike him.
But I don't like mccain, because I do believe his bush economic policy will indeed crash this economy. failing trilion dollar banks that nobody is talking about = frightening. Saying recession is 'all in our heads' while banks and automakers fail = really frightening.
vote bob barr 2008. At least as the dollar collapses and the missiles are coming to and from russia, you'll have a smile on your face knowing you didn't support either of these bums.
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240 when i first came to this site you were a staunch republican, what happened in 10 words or less?
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240 when i first came to this site you were a staunch republican, what happened in 10 words or less?
I learned 911 was allowed to happen for oil/base agenda, and now i'm without a real party. :(
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Thanks Rob.
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I learned 911 was allowed to happen for oil/base agenda, and now i'm without a real party. :(
Ventura in `12!
or Kucinich.
Lets hope.
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I still love 99% of the repub party positions.
and i still vote local repub on everything, fo sho.
and i understand why it had to happen, bigger things above our paygrade, fine.
But aside from that, we're borrowing our way into some serious shit. We bailed out 2 banks this week to a tune of 4.1 trillion doallrs, effectively increasing the total nat'l debt by 50% in one sunday afternoon.
Then FORD, GM, and lehman brothers will all ask for their bailouts this sunday.
It's corporate welfare, and it's mindboggling the repubs are leading it.
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I learned 911 was allowed to happen for oil/base agenda, and now i'm without a real party. :(
cool, everyone should be independent anyway, being a diehard for any party or person or religion sets you up for one of the worst feelings in humanity...betrayal.
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I still love 99% of the repub party positions.
and i still vote local repub on everything, fo sho.
and i understand why it had to happen, bigger things above our paygrade, fine.
But aside from that, we're borrowing our way into some serious shit. We bailed out 2 banks this week to a tune of 4.1 trillion doallrs, effectively increasing the total nat'l debt by 50% in one sunday afternoon.
Then FORD, GM, and lehman brothers will all ask for their bailouts this sunday.
It's corporate welfare, and it's mindboggling the repubs are leading it.
But as long as we have the strongest military, no one can demand that we pay, correct?
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But as long as we have the strongest military, no one can demand that we pay, correct?
No. But they can stop lending tomorrow and we will be living in - drum roll please - the caveman ages in less than a month.
End china's lending tomorrow, and wall street closes in 96 hours.
your $ is worthless and you will soon be dealing with looters and shooters and the police/national guard are watching county insfrastructure and their own homes.
so yeah, the only thing keeping them from ending the lending is the trade deficit... china wants someone to buy their cheap lead toys at US walmarts.
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But as long as we have the strongest military, no one can demand that we pay, correct?
The "strong" military is one of the MAIN problems of why we are just so proper fucked. Forgive the term.
General Dwight D. Eisenhower, arguablyThe United States Greatest General of any war. tried to warn the citizens to not let the military become so prevalent and massive in his Final Farewll Address. He railed against the Military Industrial Complex.
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No. But they can stop lending tomorrow and we will be living in - drum roll please - the caveman ages in less than a month.
End china's lending tomorrow, and wall street closes in 96 hours.
your $ is worthless and you will soon be dealing with looters and shooters and the police/national guard are watching county insfrastructure and their own homes.
so yeah, the only thing keeping them from ending the lending is the trade deficit... china wants someone to buy their cheap lead toys at US walmarts.
what happens if the us puts an embargo on all chinese imports. what happens to china?
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what happens if the us puts an embargo on all chinese imports. what happens to china?
their economy would suffer by 20 to 40%, but they wouldn't die. we would, sadly.
It'll probably never happen. we keep propping it up, and our ace in the hole is that employees of those 800 military bases worldwide might just fire off their payloads into whatever nation they're stationed in, should their checks stop coming and they realize the dollar is no more.
So they'll likely find a way to keep it afloat. our talk is just hypotheticals.
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I can`t think of any one Republican position worth supporting.
Obama is not going to take your guns away.
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their economy would suffer by 20 to 40%, but they wouldn't die. we would, sadly.
It'll probably never happen. we keep propping it up, and our ace in the hole is that employees of those 800 military bases worldwide might just fire off their payloads into whatever nation they're stationed in, should their checks stop coming and they realize the dollar is no more.
So they'll likely find a way to keep it afloat. our talk is just hypotheticals.
This is great discussion.
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in the 1930s, the two heads of the two biggest banks in america tried to overthrow FDR. Yes, a president.
he knew that jailing them for treason would cause the banks to fold, and take the entire economy down with it. So, he simply leaked word, the media put pressure on the guys, and it never happened.
They got away with treason because they could crash the economy. They were more powerful than the president.
Oh yeah, and that was 80 years ago. It's way worse today. Ask JFK. He promised to break up these groups. He had a bad trip to dallas shortly threafter. Some things you just can't beat, baby.
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I still love 99% of the repub party positions.
and i still vote local repub on everything, fo sho.
and i understand why it had to happen, bigger things above our paygrade, fine.
But aside from that, we're borrowing our way into some serious shit. We bailed out 2 banks this week to a tune of 4.1 trillion doallrs, effectively increasing the total nat'l debt by 50% in one sunday afternoon.
Then FORD, GM, and lehman brothers will all ask for their bailouts this sunday.
It's corporate welfare, and it's mindboggling the repubs are leading it.
You aren`t Pro-Life, Against Homosexuals getting married and opposed to Stem-Cell Research and Bio-Medical Cloning and Gene Thearpies are you?
I would say you are not a Republican at all.
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You aren`t Pro-Life, Against Homosexuals getting married and opposed to Stem-Cell Research and Bio-Medical Cloning and Gene Thearpies are you?
I would say you are not a Republican at all.
I'm pro-life personally, but I fell no authority to tell any person what to do.
I am pro gun obviously.
I'm for limited welfare to those who need it, using drug testing and 2-kid limits (no money for kids #3-20.)
I'm for strong nat'l defense, but not borrowing.
I am for civil unions for finance purposes, but I don't want my kids seeing two men (mr and mr smith) kissing. It's wrong, sure. It's their right, i know. But it makes me uncomfortable.
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in the 1930s, the two heads of the two biggest banks in america tried to overthrow FDR. Yes, a president.
he knew that jailing them for treason would cause the banks to fold, and take the entire economy down with it. So, he simply leaked word, the media put pressure on the guys, and it never happened.
They got away with treason because they could crash the economy. They were more powerful than the president.
Oh yeah, and that was 80 years ago. It's way worse today. Ask JFK. He promised to break up these groups. He had a bad trip to dallas shortly threafter. Some things you just can't beat, baby.
The Panic of 1873 is interesting as well when the Gold Market was cornered by the President General Grant, his horrible monetary policies as well as enlisting the help and "expertise" his cronies, stealing millions and bankrupting the United States citizens and practically the world all in the favor of big business and contracts. I think you will find it intriguing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic_of_1873
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I'm pro-life personally, but I fell no authority to tell any person what to do.
I am pro gun obviously.
I'm for limited welfare to those who need it, using drug testing and 2-kid limits (no money for kids #3-20.)
I'm for strong nat'l defense, but not borrowing.
I am for civil unions for finance purposes, but I don't want my kids seeing two men (mr and mr smith) kissing. It's wrong, sure. It's their right, i know. But it makes me uncomfortable.
In your opinion, why is a public display of affection amongst homosexuals something you don`t want to see, but are comfortable with a man and a woman. Does this stem from a religious belief that you have?
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In your opinion, why is a public display of affection amongst homosexuals something you don`t want to see, but are comfortable with a man and a woman. Does this stem from a religious belief that you have?
Nope. I want grandkids one day :)
I know most homosexuals know early on, they get a boner in gym locker room, while others get one watchign the cheerleaders. I think they all go the same direction straight people go when we die. We're all created from the same entity or force or matter.
I just would rather the kid not see it. Same way I wouldn't let him see an NC-17 movie. But two men kissing for 2 seconds vs. a male/female kiss.... it's just different. I am flawed in this manner, I admit. I would just rather it not be shoved in my face.
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In your opinion, why is a public display of affection amongst homosexuals something you don`t want to see, but are comfortable with a man and a woman. Does this stem from a religious belief that you have?
Some things really are hard-wired like that Adam.
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governor paterson said whites use the term "community service" as a code for black people.
actually we just say Tarzan
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Some things really are hard-wired like that Adam.
I disagree.
I would characterize Rob`s revulsion based on personal fear as well as being xenophobic to a developing societal norm. Most people in the early 1800`s were repulsed by seeing a woman`s ankles in public. Even then, women were not permitted to eat in public with men as it was against the current societal norm. We see this as totally absurd now and wonder what all the fuss was about. Rob is just behind and stifling the zeitgiest like many others There is nothing biologically causing Rob to think this way.
He is instead fearful that his son would be gay, so therefore he admits a bias against gays in some manner. It is clear he does not want his son to go through the ridicule and taunting perhaps that happen when a societal norm is not entirely embraced. But by being so fearful, it only serves to extend the ban on accepting such norms.
He also states he wants grandchildren. I do find this kind of shocking if somewhat selfish as he is dictating to his son what he must do,have grandchildren, by trying to shape and meld him, hence keeping the gay out of his life. I see the same behavior when children are taught religion. Once the seeds of indoctrination are planted, that evil tree rarely can be uprooted.
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I see the same behavior when children are taught religion. Once the seeds of indoctrination are planted, that evil tree rarely can be uprooted.
Isn’t the gay agenda doing the same thing?
Who says that their behavior is normal? I consider it unnatural and abhorrent.
Why should I have to accept it? Why should it be deemed “normal behavior?”
Gay politics is the perfect example of moral recidivism.
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Isn’t the gay agenda doing the same thing?
Who says that their behavior is normal? I consider it unnatural and abhorrent.
Why should I have to accept it? Why should it be deemed “normal behavior?”
Gay politics is the perfect example of moral recidivism.
It is normal as it occurs in ALL known species of organisms. From Bacteria,Fungi,Plants, to Flys to Humans.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_animals
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It is normal as it occurs in ALL known species of organisms. From Bacteria,Fungi,Plants, to Flys to Humans.
That's a matter of great debate.
Those types point to studies that agree with their positions while ignoring the overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
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No species has been found in which homosexual behaviour has not been shown to exist, with the exception of species that never have sex at all, such as sea urchins and aphis. Moreover, a part of the animal kingdom is hermaphroditic, truly bisexual. For them, homosexuality is not an issue.[17]
http://www.news-medical.net/?id=20718 News-medical.net (2006-10-23). Retrieved on 2007-09-10.
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That's a matter of great debate.
Those types point to studies that agree with their positions while ignoring the overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
There is no debate. It is a Scientific FACT.
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You go right on believing that.
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You go right on believing that.
Hard to dispute the scientific world with a bible or "because I DON`T BELIEVE THAT" ignorance.
I go wherever the science is.
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I'm not religious. In fact, I'm an athiest.
Nice try though. ::)
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I'm not religious. In fact, I'm an athiest.
Nice try though. ::)
Hard to dispute the scientific world with a bible or "because I DON`T BELIEVE THAT" ignorance.
I go wherever the science is.