Author Topic: Dorian Yates at his best VS Nasser El Sonbaty at his best : Who would win? (Read 33716 times)

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #50 on:** August 27, 2008, 05:44:51 PM »

Quote from: SweetMuscles on August 27, 2008, 05:43:26 PM

Notice how Nasser shies away from comparing himself from the back

exactly he knew he wasn't a thread in 1995 in fact he praised Yates that year for coming back from 1994 look great

bigbobs · « **Reply #51 on:** August 27, 2008, 05:47:06 PM »

Let's see what King says

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=229072.msg3253698#msg3253698

johnny · « **Reply #52 on:** August 27, 2008, 05:49:03 PM »

Nasser was a Fantastic BB absolutley Massive with a capital M..however Nassers Best was 1997 against Dorian who was at his WORST in 1997 and Dorian still won??

SweetMuscles · « **Reply #53 on:** August 27, 2008, 05:49:26 PM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on August 27, 2008, 05:44:51 PM

exactly he knew he wasn't a thread in 1995 in fact he praised Yates that year for coming back from 1994 look great

I quite like Nasser and think he looks amazing from the front, one of the best. Even he would not claim that he could ever beat Doz at his best. He has a case in 97 as that wasn't Doz's best but Doz was still the biggest guy in the best condition. Therefore, he won.

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #54 on:** August 27, 2008, 05:49:32 PM »

Quote from: bigbobs on August 27, 2008, 05:47:06 PM

Let's see what King says

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=229072.msg3253698#msg3253698

You're using him as a credible source? lol we already know what Ronnie says on the subject do you think King's opinion carries more weight?

bigbobs · « **Reply #55 on:** August 27, 2008, 05:51:38 PM »

Quote from: SweetMuscles on August 27, 2008, 05:49:26 PM

I quite like Nasser and think he looks amazing from the front, one of the best. Even he would not claim that he could ever beat Doz at his best. He has a case in 97 as that wasn't Doz's best but Doz was still the biggest guy in the best condition. Therefore, he won.

According to gh15 he was the best from the front along with Ronnie of course

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #56 on:** August 27, 2008, 05:51:55 PM »

1996 the difference is staggering

bigbobs · « **Reply #57 on:** August 27, 2008, 05:52:14 PM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on August 27, 2008, 05:49:32 PM

You're using him as a credible source? lol we already know what Ronnie says on the subject do you think King's opinion carries more weight?

Puts a bit of fun into it. Besides, he's more credible than you since he is a pro after all.

bigbobs · « **Reply #58 on:** August 27, 2008, 05:52:49 PM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on August 27, 2008, 05:51:55 PM

1996 the difference is staggering

Yeah rear lat spread is the only pose where Yates decisively beats Nasser, every other pose is a different story

England_1 · « **Reply #59 on:** August 27, 2008, 05:53:08 PM »

Quote from: bigbobs on August 27, 2008, 05:51:38 PM

According to gh15 he was the best from the front along with Ronnie of course

Yeah, that's why he couldn't defeat Flex at the AC! LOL.

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #60 on:** August 27, 2008, 05:53:40 PM »

Quote from: bigbobs on August 27, 2008, 05:51:38 PM

According to gh15 he was the best from the front along with Ronnie of course

In the ab-thigh and front double biceps at his best he ranks pretty high but again your source is useless and his front latspread isn't comparable

bigbobs · « **Reply #61 on:** August 27, 2008, 05:54:29 PM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on August 27, 2008, 05:53:40 PM

In the ab-thigh and front double biceps at his best he ranks pretty high but again your source is useless and his front latspread isn't comparable

You can even see his abs in the front lat spread unlike Dorian's, and more detail everywhere else from the front as well.

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #62 on:** August 27, 2008, 05:55:14 PM »

Quote from: bigbobs on August 27, 2008, 05:52:49 PM

Yeah rear lat spread is the only pose where Yates decisively beats Nasser, every other pose is a different story

Oh I disagree back double biceps is Yates all the way and if we're strictly talking at their bests and not at contests Yates can hold his own with Nasser in any poses from any angle

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #63 on:** August 27, 2008, 05:57:17 PM »

Quote from: bigbobs on August 27, 2008, 05:54:29 PM

You can even see his abs in the front lat spread unlike Dorian's, and more detail everywhere else from the front as well.

You think that makes for a better pose? I don't and this really isn't Dorian at his best so the point is kinda null , he's still winning that shot

keanu · « **Reply #64 on:** August 27, 2008, 05:58:11 PM »

Yates dominated Nasser while each was in their prime. The judges always gave Yates straight first above Ray, Nasser, levrone, Wheeler, Dillet, ect. For those that claim fix, why give Yates first? The guy didn't have much charisma, didn't really promotes the sport much, or generate that much money. Why give him 7 Olympias unless they saw him as the best? Please give a logical reason.

bigbobs · « **Reply #65 on:** August 27, 2008, 05:58:51 PM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on August 27, 2008, 05:57:17 PM

You think that makes for a better pose? I don't and this really isn't Dorian at his best so the point is kinda null , he's still winning that shot

Oh yeah, abs and overall detail are irrelevent

What matters then? Even look at the difference in size especially the chest.

England_1 · « **Reply #66 on:** August 27, 2008, 06:00:20 PM »

Quote from: bigbobs on August 27, 2008, 05:58:51 PM

Oh yeah, abs and overall detail are irrelevent What matters then? Even look at the difference in size especially the chest.

Nasser is crunching down and contracting the abs, of course they will be more visible. Problem is, his lats are invisible. Dorian owns him.

bigbobs · « **Reply #67 on:** August 27, 2008, 06:00:26 PM »

Quote from: keanu on August 27, 2008, 05:58:11 PM

Yates dominated Nasser while each was in their prime. The judges always gave Yates straight first above Ray, Nasser, levrone, Wheeler, Dillet, ect. For those that claim fix, why give Yates first? The guy didn't have much charisma, didn't really promotes the sport much, or generate that much money? Why give him 7 Olympias unless they saw him as the best? Please give a logical reason.

If critieria was soley contest placings there would be no need to even discuss any bodybuilding contest placings are black and white.

And Yates was favoured largely because he was friends with many figures in the IFBB as well as judges.

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #68 on:** August 27, 2008, 06:00:30 PM »

Quote from: keanu on August 27, 2008, 05:58:11 PM

Yates dominated Nasser while each was in their prime. The judges always gave Yates straight first above Ray, Nasser, levrone, Wheeler, Dillet, ect. For those that claim fix, why give Yates first? The guy didn't have much charisma, didn't really promotes the sport much, or generate that much money? Why give him 7 Olympias unless they saw him as the best? Please give a logical reason.

Great post ! pumpster is infamous for claiming the Weider's hand picked Yates for marketing reasons lol they did a great job a homely pasty Brit with an unaesthetic physique lol

England_1 · « **Reply #69 on:** August 27, 2008, 06:01:26 PM »

Quote from: bigbobs on August 27, 2008, 06:00:26 PM

And Yates was favoured largely because he was friends with many figures in the IFBB as well as judges.

Wishful thinking. You still can't explain Nasser's inability to defeat Flex at the AC, when Dorian wasn't even present

bigbobs · « **Reply #70 on:** August 27, 2008, 06:01:41 PM »

Quote from: England_1 on August 27, 2008, 06:00:20 PM

Nasser is crunching down and contracting the abs, of course they will be more visible. Problem is, his lats are invisible. Dorian owns him.

His lats are visible. Maybe not as wide as Yates' in that shot but he more than makes up for that by actually having abs whereas Yates does not, and being more massive and detailed overall.

dr.chimps · « **Reply #71 on:** August 27, 2008, 06:02:12 PM »

Quote from: mwbbuilder on August 27, 2008, 05:41:38 PM

Who would you rather be?

The guy who wins the contests? (Dorian)

Or, the guy who 13 years later has a group of boys on the interenet "saying" he better? (Nassar)

Oh,oh,oh,oh,oh......

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #72 on:** August 27, 2008, 06:02:24 PM »

Quote from: bigbobs on August 27, 2008, 05:58:51 PM

Oh yeah, abs and overall detail are irrelevent What matters then? Even look at the difference in size especially the chest.

Did I say they were irrelevent? NO and the debate is at their best and 1996 was NOT Yates' best

again he can meet parts of the criteria but all rounds are physique rounds you must keep this in mind

bigbobs · « **Reply #73 on:** August 27, 2008, 06:02:31 PM »

Quote from: England_1 on August 27, 2008, 06:01:26 PM

Wishful thinking. You still can't explain Nasser's inability to defeat Flex at the AC, when Dorian wasn't even present

He beat Flex, just not according to the biased judges who, being American, naturally gave a bit of a preference to an American like Flex.

johnny · « **Reply #74 on:** August 27, 2008, 06:03:14 PM »

Quote from: keanu on August 27, 2008, 05:58:11 PM

Yates dominated Nasser while each was in their prime. The judges always gave Yates straight first above Ray, Nasser, levrone, Wheeler, Dillet, ect. For those that claim fix, why give Yates first? The guy didn't have much charisma, didn't really promotes the sport much, or generate that much money? Why give him 7 Olympias unless they saw him as the best? Please give a logical reason.

Good point other than Dorian won 6 OLYMPIAS 1992-97